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WhoFluence. Part 3: The Who And An Early Form Of Punk

author: americanmovie23 date: 06/17/2006 category: artists' discussions
rating: 6.2 / votes: 11 
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 06:15 am
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Jackolas :
Too bad the sex pistols weren't punk but a manufactered band focusing around selling a new style of clothes. Hense why they split when they found out. Heh.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 06:48 am / quote |
ss311 :
Get a life, that's not true. Get to the punk forum and ask for the facts.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 08:50 am / quote |
letter 27 :
too bad Jackolas knows nothing about punk, good article though
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 09:37 am / quote |
RockFreak000 :
Great article
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 10:06 am / quote |
Mcut202 :
He doesn't know a thing about punk. The article was interesting though.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 10:51 am / quote |
fetusbrains07 :
good article

there should have been more on quadrophenia in this series

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 10:59 am / quote |
Shorrock :
fetusbrains07 wrote:

good article

there should have been more on quadrophenia in this series


hell yeah

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 11:44 am / quote |
frigginjerk :
i love the who, but man oh man... the sex pistols piss me off. they recorded about 15 songs or less over their entire career, yet it's somehow possible to buy over 75 different sex pistols cd's, records, best-of compilations, live cuts, etc, etc, etc... and i know it's a cliche thing to rip on them for, but they were put together by a fashion designer in order to make his new style of clothing popular to the young kids. and on top of that, they didn't play very well anyways. gotta love how the british music scene can polish turds until they're regarded as music legends.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 12:02 pm / quote |
frigginjerk :
okay, more than 15 songs, but but nowhere NEAR enough to warrant as much merchandise as they have
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 12:04 pm / quote |
Kadaj :
I haven't read it yet, but if he mentions Green Day again I'm gonna go batshit.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 12:41 pm / quote |
pe_666 :
Kadaj wrote:

I haven't read it yet, but if he mentions Green Day again I'm gonna go batshit.


well dont bother reading it then , btw very nice end to a line of interesting articles!

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 02:02 pm / quote |
selloutpunx :
jackolas is pretty accurate actually.
you realize that the sex pistols broke up in the middle of a show because they couldn't stand each other so much that they couldn't even share the stage anymore. i've seen bands wait longer to release a follow up album than the span of the sex pistols brief existence. terrible band, not to mention there were a lot more 'original and authentic' punk bands than the four you listed, you probably just never heard about them. you listed the four most mainstream bands of the genre in the late 70s.

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 02:29 pm / quote |
guitar_lvr :
if they come 2 minnesota im gonna see them. WHOO!
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 02:29 pm / quote |
Nilcerise :
does this guy have friends at all like how is the who a form of punk at all what a complete dumbass

guitar_lvr wrote:

if they come 2 minnesota im gonna see them. WHOO!
where in minnesota are you from?

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 02:37 pm / quote |
SydBarretLives :
too bad the Kinks started punk rock buddy. You really got me came out before my generation.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 03:52 pm / quote |
The_Elitist :
Guitar Legends: The Ultimate Guide To Green Day. (2005).Guitar Legends (USA) 81.


I still don't get what that's about...

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 05:01 pm / quote |
OneillforReal :
Lets not forget what was probably the first bass solo in pop music.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 05:25 pm / quote |
Strat_Monkey :
too bad the Kinks started punk rock buddy. You really got me came out before my generation.


Beat me too it man, yeah totally, The Kinks wrote piss-simple power-chord driven songs like You Really Got me and All Day and All of the Night, which have two and three chords respectively, before My Generation came out.

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 06:30 pm / quote |
guitar_lvr :
Nilcerise wrote:

does this guy have friends at all like how is the who a form of punk at all what a complete dumbass

guitar_lvr wrote:

if they come 2 minnesota im gonna see them. WHOO!
where in minnesota are you from?

i live in stillwater

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 08:07 pm / quote |
dustafust :
I think its pretty funny when people dis punk... and then everyone gets all offended.....

Anyways.. I think it would really contribute to the intellectual-ness of these post boards if everyone would read the the article, and connect enough brain cells to understand what was said....
Nilcerise wrote:

does this guy have friends at all like how is the who a form of punk at all what a complete dumbass



if you read the ****ing article, you would know, even if you didn't agree with it, you would know what he was talking about. Now go die before you reproduce and poison the world with more of your ignorance.

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 11:01 pm / quote |
iamjoedonegan :
For the record...I comepletely agree with dustafust. Me being a fan of both punk and bands like The Who, people you need to stop being so goddamn ignorant when it comes to punk. The article merely stated that the Who was an influence to the punk rock bands of the time. The song My Generation discusses many of the same things that both classic and modern punk songs do. Even the more modern punk bands like Flogging Molly and The Street Brats talk about the hard times that their generation went through. Its a comparison, and an attempt to show how influential The Who really was. Its similar to someone trying to explain how the Greasers in the fifties were the 'origional punks' because they were the rebels. Or when someone trys to link Johnny Cash to the popular 'emo' bands/songs of today. So for all you dumbasses out there...learn to read and comprehend.
POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 11:35 pm / quote |
Church! :
Yeah the whole idea of what the who were trying to get across was through the lyrics not the riffs and crap so i dont wanna hear shit about the kinks and their chords, this article is trying to show what message the who was giving off about how they felt about society and kinda rebel through song...laying part of the foundation for the whole idea of punk rock.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 02:27 am / quote |
 
 m 
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Checked.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 04:30 am / quote |
mareki :
punk is idiot society and culture ever exist in this world..they taught they can change a world...if u say u can change the world around u..go and make ur own country..off course u all cannot ..weaker..the most scum humans ever exist in this world..useless absolutely useless..go to hell....
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 05:47 am / quote |
Jackolas :
frigginjerk wrote:

i love the who, but man oh man... the sex pistols piss me off. they recorded about 15 songs or less over their entire career, yet it's somehow possible to buy over 75 different sex pistols cd's, records, best-of compilations, live cuts, etc, etc, etc... and i know it's a cliche thing to rip on them for, but they were put together by a fashion designer in order to make his new style of clothing popular to the young kids. and on top of that, they didn't play very well anyways. gotta love how the british music scene can polish turds until they're regarded as music legends.


THANKYOU!

I bet alot of the posters are americans who were told like "Oh dteh cex pistolz!!11111"

Oh better bands include the clash, sham 69, cock sparrer, and I won't name anymore cause thats probably a good enough list for 1 day for most of em.

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 07:02 am / quote |
Jackolas :
Okay maybe my above comment was a little harsh but I am fed up of hearing about the sex pistols when there are much better bands more deserving of the praise.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 07:03 am / quote |
sweet_leaf_777 :
Cock Sparer!! Yes! England belongs to me is the only song you will ever need lol. Seriously, the article seemed more opinion than fact, and if punk comes up in discussion Iggy and the Stooges need to be mentioned as being 'proper' proto-punk or whatever you want to call it. I don't see how artists trying to cash in on a brand name for years after they release 'classic' material makes them some sort of legends, I don't think the Who has as much of an influence on bands being anti-establishment as the economic or foreign policies of a country do, other people would have moved to Marshall stacks anyway and ?No matter what song it is the Who lives on inside of it?? Come on, that?s just corny.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 09:20 am / quote |
stratman13 :
too bad the Kinks started punk rock buddy. You really got me came out before my generation.
[quote]


Beat me too it man, yeah totally, The Kinks wrote piss-simple power-chord driven songs like You Really Got me and All Day and All of the Night, which have two and three chords respectively, before My Generation came out.


That doesn't mean that the Kinks invented punk. Most bands had simple, power chord driven songs back then. That's part of the point original punk movement: to hearken back to simpler music. It was a reaction to Jimmy Page's 11 minute guitar solos or ELP. What distinguishes "My Generation" from "You Really Got Me" is that "My Generation" carries that message of angst and disillusion with the way things are while "You Really Got Me" is just a love song. That's why I think the Who invented punk.

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 10:13 am / quote |
guitar_lvr :
Nilcerise wrote:

does this guy have friends at all like how is the who a form of punk at all what a complete dumbass

guitar_lvr wrote:

if they come 2 minnesota im gonna see them. WHOO!
where in minnesota are you from?

stillwater, mn

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 12:51 pm / quote |
zxZoSoxz :
The Stooges and the MC5 started punk... not the Kinks or the Who.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 01:53 pm / quote |
pottsy :
the who this, nd the who that, they were an awesome band, and probably will still blow u away in concert nd the likes, but who influenced the who?!? the who didnt invent everything and insire everybody!! give credit where credit is due, but dont patronise the who
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 02:17 pm / quote |
Robertthegreat :
Alright firstly, The Kinks invented Jack Shit, most bands of the mid to late 60's played simple chords, if thats all it takes I guess Buddy Holly and Jerry Lee Lewis were the original Punk Rockers, because they all and easy as shit songs, and they were also a form of music that was demonized and called evil, guess that makes them Metal as well.

Secondly, if your going to credit anybody with starting "Punk" it should be the god damn MC5, they played simple 3 chords, very sloppily, had harsh vocal stylings, in their live shows would bounce around frantically. Not to mention their anti-war, anti-goverment, and anti-society veiws, would by anyones standard make them the first "Punk" band.Thats of course if your the type of dumbass that would say "This is punk" I mean the idea is ludacris, even bands like The Clash and The Ramones, and most outspokenly Iggy Pop denounced the term. The idea that you can catorgorize, that whihc in it's conception was meant to be one of a kind is complete stupidity.

Lastly The Who was as influential as any other band from the 60's, you could take virtually any band from that era disect it and come up with hundreds of examples of their influence. I could say Pink Floyd influenced The Cure because they both had keyboards, and that statement would be as valid as any one made in this article. Why is it so hard for people to think thats it impossible for 2 seperate people can each have the same idea years apart. Like if Thomas Edison didn't invent the light Bulb no one else would have, like were all so stupid. What it is, is that some Who fanboy got a hard on listening to My Generation and decided they influenced every generation afterwards. And the idea that with out The Who bands wouldn't write emotional inward looking music is completely idiotic.

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 02:29 pm / quote |
Monkeygone2hvn :
in my opinion the velvet underground seem more influential to the punks the who...
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 05:17 pm / quote |
n0selfesteem :
This article is about the Who. Stop ****ing trying to tell us that other bands were more influential because this article is about the Who. If you want to write an article about how Senior Citizen and the Unlistenable Bastards invented punk than ****ing do it, but stop polluting this board.
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 08:32 pm / quote |
bluesbreaker59 :
guitar_lvr wrote:

if they come 2 minnesota im gonna see them. WHOO!


hell yes!!

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 09:50 pm / quote |
darkenedmalice :
dude what about crass come on
POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 10:27 pm / quote |
Voodoo_Chile42 :
I love the Who, but My Generation doesn't come close to being the most significant song of the '60s.
And if they accidentally spawned the punk movement, I'll forgive them; everybody makes mistakes, and the Who have a catalogue of great songs to make up for it.

POSTED: 06/18/2006 - 11:16 pm / quote |
pigglesworth :
^ Amen ^
POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 04:58 am / quote |
Jackolas :
sweet_leaf_777 wrote:

Cock Sparer!! Yes! England belongs to me is the only song you will ever need lol. Seriously, the article seemed more opinion than fact, and if punk comes up in discussion Iggy and the Stooges need to be mentioned as being 'proper' proto-punk or whatever you want to call it. I don't see how artists trying to cash in on a brand name for years after they release 'classic' material makes them some sort of legends, I don't think the Who has as much of an influence on bands being anti-establishment as the economic or foreign policies of a country do, other people would have moved to Marshall stacks anyway and ?No matter what song it is the Who lives on inside of it?? Come on, that?s just corny.


Haha I love that song, and "take em all", I have 2 great live versions of em.

POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 07:11 am / quote |
matchbox :
he mentioned about nirvana being influenced by "the who" which is incorrect as Kurt Cobain was a big fan of John Lennon and John Lennon and "the who" are nothing similar.
POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 07:18 am / quote |
Alium Ruler :
^You can be influenced by more than one artist.
POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 08:29 am / quote |
Phoenix364 :
Oh yeah.....

Gonna see The Who on 3rd July!

POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 09:44 am / quote |
Nilcerise :
dustafust wrote:

I think its pretty funny when people dis punk... and then everyone gets all offended.....

Anyways.. I think it would really contribute to the intellectual-ness of these post boards if everyone would read the the article, and connect enough brain cells to understand what was said....Nilcerise wrote:

does this guy have friends at all like how is the who a form of punk at all what a complete dumbass



if you read the ****ing article, you would know, even if you didn't agree with it, you would know what he was talking about. Now go die before you reproduce and poison the world with more of your ignorance.


well i dont sit on here all do or else i would have said this earlier ignorant fool punk is out unless you like men meaning openly gay

POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 01:53 pm / quote |
sEaN_sLaSh :
other people would have moved to Marshall stacks anyway

you do know that John Entwhistle and Pete Townsend went to Jim Marshall with the idea for the Marshall stack.

POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 07:07 pm / quote |
ChordMonger :
too bad the Kinks started punk rock buddy. You really got me came out before my generation.

hahaha, no. the kinks, along with the who and many others started what we know and love as 'garage rock'. and awesome genre in its own rite, but not punk. punk is much more than just three chords. its people picking up instruments they cant play, because theyre pissed off and want to be heard. the lyrics also tend to be more socially minded. good try, but no. i know its been metioned already, but there were a lot more, and a lot better punk bands than the ones mentioned [the stooges anyone?]

POSTED: 06/19/2006 - 07:09 pm / quote |
 
 m 
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Checked.
POSTED: 06/20/2006 - 08:09 am / quote |
aperfectshot176 :
wutta 'bout the misfits! or Black Flag! they were pioneers in punk rock.
POSTED: 06/28/2006 - 10:23 pm / quote |
PrincessCobain :
Misfits definitly
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 03:07 pm / quote |
malditoako :
mareki :
punk is idiot society and culture ever exist in this world..they taught they can change a world...if u say u can change the world around u..go and make ur own country..off course u all cannot ..weaker..the most scum humans ever exist in this world..useless absolutely useless..go to hell....



you're right..you CANNOT change the world with wearing some dirty shirt and torned jeans man..f*ck it alright?who would give you a damn respect when you entered inside a damn grocery store or a damn shopping center?its overrated..

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 02:40 pm / quote |
rockinbassist17 :
I know they didnt start punk but I LOVE THE RAMONES!!!!!
Short sweet and to the point lol

POSTED: 10/13/2007 - 08:25 pm / quote |
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