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author: sillybuuger12 date: 01/04/2006 category: gear maintenance
rating: 8.8 / votes: 66 
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 02:05 am
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 comments posted
jakecarter :
i searched all day yesterday for something like this and couldnt find it this was a real help
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:08 am / quote |
Dyaxe666 :
nice! wicked article, and 3rd!
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:15 am / quote |
Raydey :
Woo 4th, and about time I understood this, and what the allen key that came with my guitar was for ¬_¬ lol. Cheers
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:19 am / quote |
jakecarter :
just wondering do you have to take your strings of when changing the action on the gibson style bridge? cus im trying to do its now with my thumbs and its not budging or do i have to use plyers or something?
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:19 am / quote |
Argon :
Nice one
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:26 am / quote |
MetallicaNRoses :
good article

3rd!

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:47 am / quote |
GuitarJunkie :
i dont think you mentioned the ifyou adjust your action you risk really ****ing up your intonnation...which can still be easily fixed...but i fixed the action on my les paul when i first got it from my cousing (made it lower) and i had to take it to sam ash to get the inntonation fixed casue i didnt know how to do that myself at the time
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 08:55 am / quote |
Glennjoe :
jakecarter wrote:

just wondering do you have to take your strings of when changing the action on the gibson style bridge? cus im trying to do its now with my thumbs and its not budging or do i have to use plyers or something?

I was going to ask the same thing.

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 09:07 am / quote |
Robert_Terry :
Not too bad, would have helped me 2 years ago, P.S kids dont ever leave your uitar near radiators, me and my poor ibanez gio 170 discovered this the hard way
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 09:15 am / quote |
black_sabbath85 :
Question.
I have the Tune-o-matic/Les paul type bridge. When i adjust the thumb wheels, to try getting a lower action, some of my my string dont ring out clearly when i fret them at certain spots.
Any comment or suggestions would be appreciated!

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 09:24 am / quote |
sashki :
This is much more helpful and easier to understand than any other "action" articles I've read. Good Work!
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 09:30 am / quote |
Mr_Die_Easy :
good job

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 09:42 am / quote |
thefinalcut :
jakecarter wrote:

just wondering do you have to take your strings of when changing the action on the gibson style bridge? cus im trying to do its now with my thumbs and its not budging or do i have to use plyers or something?


No, atleast on mine and I pretty sure that's sure for all models.

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 10:16 am / quote |
HappyHoboDude :
wooo! i didnt even know what action was!
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 10:48 am / quote |
UNIe :
Yes! This article really was the thing I was looking for! Good Job!
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 10:49 am / quote |
G-Sage :
just wondering do you have to take your strings of when changing the action on the gibson style bridge? cus im trying to do its now with my thumbs and its not budging or do i have to use plyers or something?
sometimes you do have to take your strings off, but just loosen them for convienence and you should be fine, if it still don work take the bridge off an do it, but do not mess with the screws on the bridge cause it f's yer guitatr's inntonation

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 11:00 am / quote |
G-Sage :
by the way could anyone tell me a brief description of how to get the inntonation right on my les paul, cause i screwed it up a while a go
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 11:01 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
right people yes you do have to adjust your intonation after any kind of action adjustment, to those of you with a tunomatic you should be able to lower the action without slacking the strings but you may need to slack them to raise it that's what i have to do on my LP knock-off
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 11:40 am / quote |
johnmalkin :
Thanks for the great article man. And why does everyone tell su their 3rd, 4th etc? we already know, and we don't ****ign care, you idiots.
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 03:19 pm / quote |
1973tour :
sweet article man, i needed something exactly like this. thanks.

~Yea

POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 03:28 pm / quote |
tweeres04 :
awesome article...been looking for this for a while
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 04:03 pm / quote |
Icas :
good stuff, i needed this. Thank you!
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 07:38 pm / quote |
cosmic rocker :
cool!!! I have a strat type and learned a lot of things that i even didn't know that existed
POSTED: 01/04/2006 - 10:15 pm / quote |
Iron Priest :
To answer a few questions...
-Sometimes, if you fret a note and it doesn't ring clearly, you have one of two problems on your hands: 1)Your action is TOO low. Simply adjust higher; or 2)your frets are worn/ not sanded/ uneven and you need to have them refretted/ sanded/ fixed.
-Action is something that's really easy to mess up. Different string gauges require different setups, and every time you restring (gauge change or not) you should reset the action.
-Make sure the neck's straight before making any changes. IF it isn't, then there's no point, since the strings will be higher over part of the neck, and lower over another part.
-The best way to check a set up is to adjust the action, restring, and then fret the guitar at the first and the 12th frets (separate hands, for those who didnt' gather that). Check the string height at each fret, and make sure that the strings are only touching on the 1st and the 12th frets, NO WHERE in between. Otherwise, your action is off.

IF you have technical questions, feel free to ask me either on here or by email at: Dylan.Hogan@hotmail.com

Thanks

POSTED: 01/05/2006 - 12:40 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Iron Preist i aggree with you on all except one point that being you don't need the neck dead on strait, although it's advisable on an unfamiliar instrument, i adjust mine with a bit of a curve in there quite often
POSTED: 01/05/2006 - 06:32 am / quote |
MetalToTheEnd :
You went quite comprehensive with an obvious thing...

Good for you.

POSTED: 01/05/2006 - 07:50 am / quote |
Mickey Lightnin :
sweet man ace articel, don't use plyers on yu bridge screws yul reck um! tekin strings off jus makes it easier, since yu haf t retune anyuw, might as well slack um off ay! yeeeeeoow!

POSTED: 01/05/2006 - 11:42 am / quote |
black_sabbath85 :
Iron Priest
Thanks for the info!

POSTED: 01/05/2006 - 09:50 pm / quote |
buckethead101 :
this is sweet.

It's really helpful.

POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 06:58 am / quote |
Devil's Child :
Good info =)
POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 08:43 am / quote |
J3ZZA :
Nice, i'm guessing its the same for basses? 9/10
POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 03:51 pm / quote |
darkmetallica :
Mickey Lightnin wrote:

sweet man ace articel, don't use plyers on yu bridge screws yul reck um! tekin strings off jus makes it easier, since yu haf t retune anyuw, might as well slack um off ay! yeeeeeoow!


Dude when ya have just had a can of beer thats realy hard to read pls try not to type like that , but i do aggree with ya ,and this was a great article

POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 04:10 pm / quote |
Vinura :
man..its a pity this didnt come along a year ago...but great article
POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 06:55 pm / quote |
detroitrulez :
As always, great article!!

A treat of a follow up article on this one would be on the topic of eliminating fret buzz (without touching the truss). It would be a good primer on fret care, and it would remind many of us that not all frets are created equally.

POSTED: 01/06/2006 - 08:38 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
i'll look into that as a topic for next time then detroitrulez sounds like a ood idea to me
POSTED: 01/07/2006 - 07:11 am / quote |
Archaon :
I agree with detroitrulez, an article on eliminating fret buzz is definately something that desperately needs doing.
nice article by the way. although I already knew the info I'm sure it helped a lot of people out.

POSTED: 01/07/2006 - 08:43 am / quote |
PantsOnFire :
just wondering do you have to take your strings of when changing the action on the gibson style bridge? cus im trying to do its now with my thumbs and its not budging or do i have to use plyers or something?
sometimes you do have to take your strings off, but just loosen them for convienence and you should be fine, if it still don work take the bridge off an do it, but do not mess with the screws on the bridge cause it f's yer guitatr's inntonation


the screw heads on the right and left sides of the tune-o-matic bridge can be used to raise or lower it with a flat head screwdriver. its easier and more precise that using the thumbwheel. as previously stated the intonation will go out anytime action adjustments are made. an easy way to fix this is to use a chromatic tuner and test each fret to see if it is playing the correct note. if it isnt you can turn the small screw next to each saddle to adjust it. you just need to do this for each string. (it only takes 10-15 minutes once you get the hang of it)

POSTED: 01/07/2006 - 11:47 pm / quote |
Glennjoe :
theres no screwheads on mine though, only the thumbscrews
POSTED: 01/08/2006 - 07:57 am / quote |
Glennjoe :
the screw heads on the right and left sides of the tune-o-matic bridge can be used to raise or lower it with a flat head screwdriver.

theres no screwheads on mine though, only thumbscrews

POSTED: 01/08/2006 - 07:58 am / quote |
Reecoom :
Keep these articles coming... They're really helpfull.
POSTED: 01/08/2006 - 12:23 pm / quote |
SteveHouse :
johnmalkin wrote:

Thanks for the great article man. And why does everyone tell su their 3rd, 4th etc? we already know, and we don't ****ign care, you idiots.

Cheers to that, Sir!

POSTED: 01/08/2006 - 05:55 pm / quote |
Metalology :
Excellent article!
POSTED: 01/09/2006 - 06:35 pm / quote |
emoaintthatbad? :
dear god thank you ive been needing this!
POSTED: 01/10/2006 - 02:27 pm / quote |
tHewHiteHendrix :
Intonation.
tune yer guitar. check note on 12th fret. if its sharp, the string needs to be elongated... move the saddle away from the neck. if its flat, do the opposite. thats how the pros do it. as for truss, capo first fret and hold down the 15th (im pretty sure 15th) the 7th fret should be enough for a credit card to slip inbetween the string and the fret. as previously stated some players prefer different heights.. but this is usually a minimum height and what pros do for most guitars out of the factory. hope that helps some.

POSTED: 01/11/2006 - 03:17 pm / quote |
Martyrion :
Nice article!
POSTED: 01/15/2006 - 01:56 pm / quote |
Stratocaster17 :
The latest post other than me was like 2 days ago so I doubt anyone's reading this i just felt like writing something so good job on the article although I'm never going to try the advice here cause I'm terrified of screwing up my beautiful new guitar which is WAY better than my old one so whatever goodby and isn't it wierd how this is still only one sentence?!?!
POSTED: 01/17/2006 - 06:24 am / quote |
Samanosuke486 :
I've only lost a couple of my picks in the near 2 years I've been playing. For about a month I've left the cable in the amp, but not the guitar. I do need to clean the fretboard and at the nut though. Thanks for the ingo!
POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 06:13 pm / quote |
Samanosuke486 :
the info*
POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Kadrean :
Nice lesson, helped clear a few things up
POSTED: 10/04/2006 - 08:16 am / quote |
harmdogg :
old article but people will keep reading this for a long time. so...

for anyone else worrying about innotation, what you're doing is adjusting the length of the string from saddle to nut (if that makes sense, haha). the strings should have the same tone when you fret and do a harmonic on the 12th fret. if not, you have to adjust the saddles forward or backward. it's self correcting :

i also read people on here talking about bows in the neck and truss rods and whatnot. you people really should be careful messing with those rods. too much stress to keep it straight... and you have a broken truss rod! uh oh! also, you should have some give in your neck reguardless, just depending on how hard you play the more give you want, and so on.

happy playing. led zeppelin rocks.

POSTED: 02/19/2007 - 07:46 pm / quote |
ihaveatail :
if you fixed your action and screwed up your intonation, to fix the intonation problem wouldn't you have to compromise your action?
POSTED: 03/17/2007 - 07:56 pm / quote |
BodaciousBob :
Very good.
POSTED: 03/18/2007 - 06:13 am / quote |
minichibi :
thanks. ^^
POSTED: 03/23/2007 - 01:27 pm / quote |
s11pkn07 :
wow. i never heard of "action" before. good stuff
POSTED: 05/19/2007 - 06:26 am / quote |
Madhur Damn :
That really helped my RR1. The strings were a little difficult to press down, so I lowered the action and they loosened up, thanx! (Btw, Floyd Roses are usually a bitch to do anything with including tuning... lol)
POSTED: 07/19/2007 - 06:03 pm / quote |
JPageZeppelin :
for les paul.. which way do u turn the knob thing?? left or right?? to make it lower i have a stagg les paul and its too high

POSTED: 11/21/2007 - 04:34 pm / quote |
.QOTSA. :
whew never though n e thing would help me get the action on my sg like my old strats
POSTED: 02/04/2008 - 02:57 pm / quote |
Resurrected22 :
great article. i have a nut that is way to high on my prophecy. freakin pisses me off. i think im going to swap the nut for an earvana so i will let a teck do it. great article.
POSTED: 11/25/2008 - 11:15 pm / quote |
RockRolla :
great article,just raised the action a bit on mine and took care of a buzz,thanks
POSTED: 02/01/2009 - 01:40 am / quote |
dark templar :
Just want to share because these works for me. I'm using Tune o matic bridges on my guitars.
Nut height: I measure the height of the first fret (from the fretboard to the top of the fret) then I use that as the height of the nut (the fretboard to the bottom of the string slots on the nut) then raise it a bit with yup, coke can shims, just enough thickness...Done! The nut feels like the "zero fret". I have lesser sustain though but I don't need sustain because I don't sustain notes often. The Truss Rod: When I look at the stings in relation to the fretboard, I see that the curve is somewhere on the region of the first few frets so I adjust mine so that the string and the the fretboard from the fifth fret onwards are parralel to each other.
String Height: I take it low as possible on the high E string because it vibrates narrower, then I raisethe action on the low E string side, because it vibrates wider. This way, I can be very fast on the high strings, then I can hammer really hard on the low strings. It doesn't matter if the bridge does not follow the neck radius, it works for me.
Intonation: I use a tuner to check each and every freaking fret on each and every freaking string. Then check harmonic nodes then check tuning of each string relative to the other. I'd like to spend half a day doing this, I don't care about time when taking care of my guitars. Other things in my life can wait, get a number and stand on a line!
Regards...

POSTED: 02/17/2009 - 08:49 pm / quote |
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