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Matching Speakers To Amps

author: Phil Starr date: 01/21/2009 category: gear maintenance
rating: 9.5 / votes: 8 
POSTED: 01/21/2009 - 09:37 am
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Phe4rTheGod :
Nice article...got some good tips in there...
POSTED: 01/21/2009 - 10:29 am / quote |
Blas3 :
I've been looking for a guide like this for ages... thanks
POSTED: 01/22/2009 - 12:12 am / quote |
victus :
Very interesting. I'd love to see this get more in-depth. I've never been sure how to devirginize myself when it comes to these scary things, this is a good introduction. Greatly appreciated.
POSTED: 01/22/2009 - 12:47 am / quote |
Phil Starr :
Thanks for the comments. It is hard to know how technical to get. I'll watch how the comments are going and try to respond with another article or two. Any specific comments or questions would steer me in the right direction.
POSTED: 01/22/2009 - 03:22 am / quote |
Indiemad :
so if i want 4 cabs i can connect 2 in parralel then put the other two cabs coming out of the previous 2
POSTED: 01/28/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
Phil Starr :
depends upon the cabs impedance. If they are all the same then treat the cabs as single drive units and connect them in series/parallel.
POSTED: 01/30/2009 - 09:33 am / quote |
dark templar :
Thanks for the article. Is there a way to measure RMS from a speaker with just some info on it's PMPO? I have a practice amp that delivers 15watts RMS to a 4ohm load. I want to replace the speaker with a subwoofer unit with 60watts PMPO 4ohms. Would that be ok for the amp? Thanks.
POSTED: 02/14/2009 - 10:44 pm / quote |
Phil Starr :
Just in case anyone else wants this information PMPO is about advertising not helping you to make sensible decisions. There is no definition so manufacturers can claim almost anything and they don't always claim the same things so you can't compare PMPO powers from two different manufacturers. Always look for RMS or AES figures
POSTED: 02/22/2009 - 12:24 pm / quote |
zekeman :
Phil, first of all, thanks for taking the time to explain this! It's a great article with just the kind of info that's really needed. And thanks for slipping in a few digs at sweaty drummers too :

My questions are as follows:

1) I have an old Mesa Boogie amp that was manufactured with the usual 3 outputs: 8ohm + 4ohm + 4ohm. I was told that all 3 were short-circuited to create a 5.3 ohm output. Does that sound about right to you?

2) I've heard from several technicians who've repaired my amp that using a lower ohm output -- in my case 5.3 ohms against an 8 ohm speaker -- creates a fat, bassy sound. Does that sound correct to you? (From what I understand form your article, this is supposed to cause the amp to reduce or need less output?)

3) Is there any harm in slightly mismatching ohms this way?

POSTED: 03/09/2009 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Phil Starr :
sorry but I'm not really familiar with Mesa Boogie amps so I'm reluctant to give specific advice on these. With valve amps and their matching transformer there are many more possibilities for designers to play with which is why most of my article sticks with the simpler physics of transistor amps.

The output of your amp has both capacitors and the transformer in it and these will combine with the speaker to make a tuned circuit. This might well give you a little more bass with this mismatch though I am surprised it is so marked.

There is little to worry about in this level of mismatch, the only thing that really threatens valve amps is leaving them open cicuit.


POSTED: 03/10/2009 - 04:48 am / quote |
zekeman :
Phil, thanks for your speedy reply. Perhaps a transistor amp question then?

(I realize it may not be expedient to answer brand-specific questions but I am asking in the chance you may know and are able to answer. The product manual and "support" center has been unhelpful and unsupportve with my questions.)

I recently acquired a Crate Powerblock, and it outputs as either:
a) mono, 150W, 1 x 8ohms speaker, or
b) stereo, 75W per channel, 2 x 4ohm speakers

I'm wondering how much room there is for mismatching speakers:

1) In mono mode, is it safe to connect a 100W 8ohm speaker to the mono 150W outlet, if I don't push it hard? I am told I have to be incredibly loud and it'll be obvious I'm pushing the speaker too hard, way before it breaks.

2) Is it safe to connect a 4ohm speaker to only one (say the left) side of the stereo output, while leaving the other unconnected?

With my Mesa Boogie 2-90 (stereo amp), there were 2 separate volume controls for left and right, so I could opt for using it as a mono amp, by connecting a speaker to one only one channel and being careful to leave th volume on the other channel completely turned down.

With the Crate Powerblock, it seems you can also use it as an amp modulator, and connect only to a PA through its XLR out (no speakers connected), so I reckon it should at least be intelligent enough a unit so that it can detect that one speaker is not being connected when in stereo mode, and not dump a bunch of power that goes nowhere but stays to fry the circuits.

POSTED: 03/11/2009 - 07:39 pm / quote |
Phil Starr :
I'm abit time limited at the moment so I haven't time to chase up the brand specific information. I am working on theory only.

I strongly recommend that you don't operate the Mesa without a load connected, even with the power right down valve amps need a load unless the designer has included a dummy resistor in the design when a speaker is not connected or a standby switch for each channel which is what I would do. You could of course use any little speaker or an 8ohm resistor as a load if the volume is right down. You might be ok but I wouldn't risk it without an ok from Mesa first. Why not email them.

Most transistor amps are ok open circuit (no speakers) but I wouldn't recommend it as a long term practice as a few amps will oscillate without a speaker and part of their protection is that you can hear what they are doing. I would prefer to use the crate in mono mode even if you use a 4ohm speaker unless the manufacturer specifically advises against this. The amp will try to put at least 300W peaks into the speakers in this configuration but will be limited by the power supply to 150W and less if you turn it down you should benefit by having much cleaner peaks.

From what you say about the Crate it looks like a 2x75W power section which can be operated in a bridge mode but with a 150W power supply.

It is safe to use a 100W speaker with the volume down. There are two ways you will blow the speaker; you might drive it beyond the excursion limit and this you will hear, as you have been advised. The other way is through overheating which you won't hear but this takes a long time, if you genuinely have the volume low and aren't playing for hours at high volume then you would have to be very unlucky to have any problem. Fine for practice but not so good live in a loud band.

If you want to pursue this further I would be happy if you pm me and I will try to find out a bit more about the specifics. I have so far always found that manufacturers are pretty good at responding to emails

POSTED: 03/12/2009 - 05:47 am / quote |
zekeman :
Thanks so much for your reply. You are a wealth of information. I am currently on tour in switzerland until early April, and will follow this up when I get home.

Yes, the Crate does operate exactly as you described: when in bridge-mode it's 150W to a single 8-ohm speaker.

I did finally get a reply from Crate about the same questions I posed to you:

"We are presently up to 2 weeks behind on e-mails and voice mails. We apologize for the wait, and hope to recover soon.

"Since the amp is Solid State, you shouldn’t have any issues. I normally switch things around every now and then, just so the amp sections do roughly the same amount of work."

POSTED: 03/20/2009 - 09:11 pm / quote |
BlouPontak :
Ok, wait. What is better? speakers with a high impedance, or a low one?
POSTED: 05/05/2009 - 06:11 am / quote |
Phil Starr :
Impedance isn't good or bad. It is just about matching speaker to amp to get the best out of both.
POSTED: 05/05/2009 - 09:11 am / quote |
Mac.10 :
Hi Phil I have a Genz Benz head which runs @ 8 or 4 Ohms, I want to use two cabs both of which are rated @ 4 Ohms and both have two jack inputs, Can I use one output from the amp to the first cab and then from that cab connect to the second, would connecting this way still give me the 4 Ohms I need
POSTED: 05/14/2009 - 05:19 am / quote |
Phil Starr :
If you connect two 4ohm cabs in parallel then the amp will be running into 2ohms. Without knowing the head I can't predict what would happen. PM me if you want any help with this.
POSTED: 05/14/2009 - 06:20 pm / quote |
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