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Studios. Part 1 - Basic Knowledge

author: vigenharutyunya date: 04/03/2009 category: gear maintenance
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POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 10:51 am
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pilgrimevan :
good article
I guess I finally know what to get now.

POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 01:57 pm / quote |
Icarus Lives :
Nice info. I have Audacity and I think it's pretty crap. Is Reaper better?
POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
GisleAune :
can't wait for next. Cant you talk easily about intereferrence in one of your next articles?

POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 02:59 pm / quote |
Phe4rTheGod :
What use is a keyboard if you don't want that sound? That sounds like a 'want' not a 'need'...
POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 03:03 pm / quote |
Leo_Watkins :
you need a keyboard for midi, cus you can get any sound then
POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 04:36 pm / quote |
dimatrod :
Icarus Lives wrote:

Nice info. I have Audacity and I think it's pretty crap. Is Reaper better?


Definitely get Reaper. It's really cheap and comparable to the likes of Logic and whatnot (I use Logic but if I had not spent so much on AUs and Logic itself, I'd get Reaper for $50)

POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 05:50 pm / quote |
zarsss :
What use is a keyboard if you don't want that sound? That sounds like a 'want' not a 'need'


it makes it easier to record music instead of using just a mouse you just play the piano... if you dont want the sounds on the keyboard you can get keyboards strictly for software synths that come without any sounds

POSTED: 04/03/2009 - 09:19 pm / quote |
Zilcho :
This column is much better than your other one about mixing, you've shown a huge improvement. Since UGG is gone for a bit, this is going to end up being the column I look for every week, especially since I've had a growing interest in this sort of thing lately. Good job.
POSTED: 04/04/2009 - 12:23 am / quote |
Ic3 :
Great article . I'm looking forward to the next one.
I'm thinking about getting a 4 channel mix table .
Is this enough for amateur recording ?
or would be something like that better http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCG102.aspx

POSTED: 04/04/2009 - 07:02 am / quote |
TimBFMV :
Mixcraft 4 Is an Awesome bit of software too!
POSTED: 04/04/2009 - 05:27 pm / quote |
Blas3 :
Nice article!
POSTED: 04/04/2009 - 06:38 pm / quote |
llanafreak44 :
Whoa, there's some things I need to lay down.

1. The room is one of the most important parts of recording. The reverb of a room is what makes recordings sound good. You can tell the difference between a real reverb and some VST plugin.

2. Egg cartons on the wall? That was disproved YEARS ago, they're a lot more trouble than they are worth putting up, plus your room flammability skyrockets. There have been tests showing that they don't help much, if any at all. Same with pillows.

3. Anyone recommending a Behringer mixer must not know very much about recording. Very bad quality control. Some will argue that it's cheap, but not when you have to buy another one after it breaks.

Some good information, but some facts are false.

POSTED: 04/04/2009 - 11:47 pm / quote |
Lotsagrapes :
Cool story bro.
POSTED: 04/05/2009 - 04:13 pm / quote |
vigenharutyunya :
Thanx everyone for reading and commenting
Now mm here we go with the answers
Icarus Lives wrote:

Nice info. I have Audacity and I think it's pretty crap. Is Reaper better?


Get the Reaper... Easy to download and use.. i specially like the mixing board and UV matters... also the plug ins are awesome... and its for free. it gives ya some evolution days bt after it it doesn lock... you'll jst have to wait for 5 seconds till it'll be available to use lol.. .better 5 secs than 50bux eh?

Ic3 wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a 4 channel mix table .
Is this enough for amateur recording ?

hmm well jst tell me what will you be recording?
if an amateur than it will i guess... also get a normal audio interface like with two ins and two outs... (Behringer's got somes like that for around 40 or 50 dollars)and voila... ya can record two tracks at a time with the ability to edit each separately later on

Phe4rTheGod wrote:

What use is a keyboard if you don't want that sound? That sounds like a 'want' not a 'need'...

like others in here said... ya dnt want yr hand to fal off after 6 hours of work.. with mouse and keyboard.. and its more comfortable if yr recording keyboard tracks... first record the midi and than fix the problems with timing and wrong notes in your softsynth and after make the synth or yr softsynth (according to which sound ya want) to play it and record the track..

To llanafreak44

1. yeah it is true nothing digital can be compared to Nature or something like dat duh! bt hey what if the reverb won't be the one you'd want?? or what if you decided that someother kind of reverb is needed for your current project?? it's a pain in ass.. like i said recording with a reverb ya wont be able to edit it later... which ya cant say about adding it in the software... ya can try dozens of ways and after choose the perfect one from them...!!!

2 I am talking about the budget studios.. you can also use foam plastics, they used to work in my previous band's practicing place... I really cant think why cartons don work cause they have got loads of corners and cant jst simply not work :p btw if ya aint using an empty room, bt yr bed room or so that in most cases ya wont have any reverb cause of yr room being filled up with other stuff like wardrobes table/chairs, bed...

3 waht with behringers than ima say theyre cheap you get what you pay for... they go better on live performances... and btw theyve fixed theyre quality a bit... i see the difference at least... btw if yr buying little consoles than buy the Xenyx ones.. a bit more expensive bt better quality than UB series

Wow this went on like another article :p


POSTED: 04/06/2009 - 04:47 am / quote |
Ic3 :
vigenharutyunya wrote
hmm well jst tell me what will you be recording?
if an amateur than it will i guess... also get a normal audio interface like with two ins and two outs... (Behringer's got somes like that for around 40 or 50 dollars)and voila...


guitar + vocals
yes I ' was thinking about something like that
thank you

POSTED: 04/06/2009 - 11:16 am / quote |
polaroid_kidd :
Nice easy job. Now I know what about I should get. What would you suggest if I wanted to hook up the following instruments and be able to record them all silmutaneously in different tracks and how much would I roughly have to dish out?

2 E-Guitars/1 Electric & 1 Electro Accoustic
1 E-Base
2 Mic
1 Alesis DM5 Pro E-Drumm Set
1 Keyboard
1 Synth (if possible, if not I can live without it)

keep up the good work

Dan

POSTED: 04/06/2009 - 11:40 am / quote |
Beefmo :
Egg cartons are only going to eliminate one frequency, think about how thin they are, they might reduce a bit of high end slapback if you're lucky but other than that they won't do anything. The pillows are also a bit of wishful thinking, you'd be better off just buying £40 of rockwool and making some DIY traps, I mean you'll be spending much more than that on gear anyway.

Also, in a digital system, mixers are usually a total waste of time if you're also buying an interface, who wants to pay x hundred pounds for what is basically a big mouse with a cheap eq. Buy better pre's or better mic's but for god sake don't spend money on a mixer that is redundant. If you're doing a small home studio better to do it all digital anyway, because you'll save yourself a hell of a lot of hassle and money and get a product that sounds just as good as anything else you'll achieve in a small space.

Lot of emphasis on midi as well, unless you plan on doing a lot of dance mixes or are a keyboard player its pretty much a waste of time. Also you can get a free tuning vst for use in Reaper called GVST Gtune, that'll save on a rack unit and Reaper has a metronome built in so send it as a signal via one of the aux sends on your interface to a set of headphones and you'll save buying a rack unit.

For an interface your best bet is the M-audio Profire 2626 - not cheap but if you want to record a band with even a simplified drum mic setup then it is the best choice, 8 excellent pre's and good D/A A/D converters.

Monitors are a personal choice, get something you think sounds good, some nice ones on the cheaper end are Yamaha Hs50's or Hs80's, M-audio Bx8a deluxes or Tannoy Reveal 5a's.

Mics - the Samson 7kit is a good start for micing drums, also a few sm57's and 58's will come in handy.

And that'll be all you pretty much need for recording anything, computer, interface, mics.

Room treatment is also essential, and you'd be a fool to skimp on it with egg cartons and pillows like this man suggests, get some wood and some rockwool and make some nice DIY traps.

Also, if you want to know anymore then there are some real professionals on the Andy Sneap board over at Ultimate Metal.

POSTED: 04/06/2009 - 05:56 pm / quote |
franc0ph0bic :
This article is really useless for anybody who is serious about or recording or anybody who wants to be intelligent about what they buy. First and foremost - check your freaking grammar and spelling, it just makes you look unprofessional when you write things that Word would yell at you for. As for the content - every person's situation is different, and all you really need for a home studio is an audio interface, a good mic, and a computer with a great DAW. You clealy know very little about all of these things, so I am not even going to cite individual things. Oh and by the way, a mixer is, with current technology, probably the least important thing you can buy. You probably will never be recording more than one track on once, and if you do, it can simply be mixed later.

Warning to anybody who is reading this - this guy does not know what he is talking about at all, ask somebody who does before blowing your money on useless stuff.

POSTED: 04/07/2009 - 04:02 am / quote |
vigenharutyunya :
Nice info bro Beefmo
bt once again ima say.. yama need the mixer anyways if doing live so why not to get it now?!?
and also doing everything on Software is a bit annoying... + if you don want yr hand felt down ya may consider buying a Controller surface... bt .... bt for example buying an 8 channel Mackie Controller surface costs 1000 and plus, dollars.. which ya cant say about mixers... oh and also the controller surface is crap without PC, and ya cant use it with separate recorders if ya decide to upgrade yr gear...
w/b mixers? ya can use em everywhere: Live, recordings, rehearsals....

polaroid_kidd wrote:
 
Nice easy job. Now I know what about I should get. What would you suggest if I wanted to hook up the following instruments and be able to record them all simultaneously in different tracks and how much would I roughly have to dish out?
 
2 E-Guitars/1 Electric & 1 Electro Acoustic
1 E-Base
2 Mic
1 Alesis DM5 Pro E-Drumm Set
1 Keyboard
1 Synth (if possible, if not I can live without it)
 
keep up the good work
 
Dan

 
Hmm all at a time... now it might cost really much!
 
Ya may need Good Condenser mics for guitars, 8 channel audio interface with MIDI (for synth), also id suggest once again buying a mixer... with 6 preamps at least and with 8 bus... or 6+2 (in Behringer's way to say)
I dono much bout the E-Drum set.. how much outputs does it have?
 
als it'll be real trouble recording em al at the same time in a home studio... you'll need two separate vocal booth (as i can think of 2mic, and separate booths for guitars if ya might be recording from their amps... (ya dont want the mics to catch other instrument's voices right?)
 
but here' another easier and cheaper way I’d suggest...
 
Record 4 tracks at the same time... (easier and quicker as the possibility of one of the 8 musicians will do a mistake is really big!) ya can get a 4 or 6 bus controller (2+2 or 4+2) which will be a lot cheaper, what for the guitars than buy a Effect processors or better get some DI boxes... (They've got cabinet compensating circuits) there are ones with two and more channels so it'll be ok for guitars...
 
I actually like the sounds coming from the guitar jst plugged to the Mixer (i do that way sometime) here is a song i recorded about two days ago... Me and my friend jst needed a demo song and if recorded it within two hours (and with my current crappy gear (jst cause im in Armenia now i got now god gear ) http://artists.ultimate-guitar.com/bluesbrothers I used RP-250 on my guitar bt the other guitar was straight plugged to the mixer


POSTED: 04/07/2009 - 04:27 pm / quote |
Beefmo :
Because typical live protocol is to rent out the gear which is usually organised by someone other than the engineer.

The engineer just specifies the type of gear he would like and then there is some bartering between the management of the tour and the rental company as to prices.

Or if it's a smaller venue for a gig then a desk can quite often be supplied.

Also live gear isn't really designed for studio work.

POSTED: 04/08/2009 - 01:48 pm / quote |
polaroid_kidd :
vigenharutyunya wrote:

Nice info bro Beefmo
bt once again ima say.. yama need the mixer anyways if doing live so why not to get it now?!?
and also doing everything on Software is a bit annoying... + if you don want yr hand felt down ya may consider buying a Controller surface... bt .... bt for example buying an 8 channel Mackie Controller surface costs 1000 and plus, dollars.. which ya cant say about mixers... oh and also the controller surface is crap without PC, and ya cant use it with separate recorders if ya decide to upgrade yr gear...
w/b mixers? ya can use em everywhere: Live, recordings, rehearsals....

polaroid_kidd wrote:
 
Nice easy job. Now I know what about I should get. What would you suggest if I wanted to hook up the following instruments and be able to record them all simultaneously in different tracks and how much would I roughly have to dish out?
 
2 E-Guitars/1 Electric & 1 Electro Acoustic
1 E-Base
2 Mic
1 Alesis DM5 Pro E-Drumm Set
1 Keyboard
1 Synth (if possible, if not I can live without it)
 
keep up the good work

Hmm all at a time... now it might cost really much!
 
Ya may need Good Condenser mics for guitars, 8 channel audio interface with MIDI (for synth), also id suggest once again buying a mixer... with 6 preamps at least and with 8 bus... or 6+2 (in Behringer's way to say)
I dono much bout the E-Drum set.. how much outputs does it have?
 
als it'll be real trouble recording em al at the same time in a home studio... you'll need two separate vocal booth (as i can think of 2mic, and separate booths for guitars if ya might be recording from their amps... (ya dont want the mics to catch other instrument's voices right?)
 
but here' another easier and cheaper way I’d suggest...
 
Record 4 tracks at the same time... (easier and quicker as the possibility of one of the 8 musicians will do a mistake is really big!) ya can get a 4 or 6 bus controller (2+2 or 4+2) which will be a lot cheaper, what for the guitars than buy a Effect processors or better get some DI boxes... (They've got cabinet compensating circuits) there are ones with two and more channels so it'll be ok for guitars...
 
I actually like the sounds coming from the guitar jst plugged to the Mixer (i do that way sometime) here is a song i recorded about two days ago... Me and my friend jst needed a demo song and if recorded it within two hours (and with my current crappy gear (jst cause im in Armenia now i got now god gear ) http://artists.ultimate-guitar.com/bluesbrothers I used RP-250 on my guitar bt the other guitar was straight plugged to the mixer



The drumm kit has a standard stereo jack. I'm not too bothered about left and righ channels. I can always edit that with software. So in the end I'ld plug 7 jacks in the mixer (I don'twant to constantly have to fiddle with plugs if i want to play a different instrument so i would need 6 stero plugs and one Midi?) and then have 7 lines out from the mixer into the PC-Interface, from where on the signals go on to the Studio Monitors. also, if we play then what kind of speakers would you suggest? a seperate amp for each intrument/mic?

thanx for the help,

dan

POSTED: 04/08/2009 - 02:21 pm / quote |
vigenharutyunya :
yah id say separate amp for each instrument mic! if possible

hmm is it stereo jack or mono balanced??!!

well than it'll take jst another chanel

hm also connect midi's in and outs!
ya can also get the Out from yr interface to the mixer (if yave got spare place) and send em to the alt buses or pre fader FX send... more inteligent :p

POSTED: 04/08/2009 - 03:33 pm / quote |
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