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Aggressive Practicing

author: Jamie_Andreas date: 05/10/2007 category: general music
rating: 8.3 / votes: 19 
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 07:23 pm
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bobthemonkey14 :
w00t!
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 01:59 pm / quote |
Kryfer :
Good
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 02:23 pm / quote |
seargentkitty :
"As you get more advanced, you just do the same "avoidance" behavior in a more subtle, harder to recognize form."

that is so true
in my band the rythm guitarist isnt good with chords and he changes everything to octaves "because it sounds better" god i hate it when he does that

POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 03:38 pm / quote |
kalamari :
too true! it's frustrating seeing students not fulfilling potential purely because they don't try hard enough, especially looking back to how I used to keep plugging away at things I couldn't do (and still do!) until finally had got the better of it, it's so much more rewarding. But a student will be what he/she wants to be and they can't be forced to be aggressive learners unfortunately!
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 04:36 pm / quote |
Nirvana-Man :
pretty cool!
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 04:50 pm / quote |
Jamma :
What a shit post, all of that is obvious unless you're a total retard...
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 08:23 pm / quote |
Anarchy_Ant :
Jamma, unless you teach you wouldn't understand how frustrating it is when you're teaching someone and they don't try because of low confidence. What is obvious to you could be a mystery to another, so have some respect.
POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 09:48 pm / quote |
that1l)ude :
sometimes though the person practicing does not always know what questions to ask themselves to solve a problem they have run into. I realize that was obviously not the case here, but sometimes it is. I am often in this situation and my teacher would think i weren't trying hard enough.

another thing
"The Aggressive student will hold on to everything he learns. He will think about it and use it. He will ask questions, and never be satisfied until he understands."
this also can not be the students fault, as he may be given too much information at one time to be able to 'hold on to it'. just some situations i find myself in, in the process of learning.

POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 10:42 pm / quote |
Orneblad :
"As you get more advanced, you just do the same "avoidance" behavior in a more subtle, harder to recognize form."

Very true.

POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 04:07 am / quote |
BigBall :
i have one rule for teaching, if the student don`t make progress its my fault. This is not always true, but the way of thinking works.....if the student dont practise its my problem, my teaching should make the student really WANT to practise, etc
POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 06:54 am / quote |
strikingtwice :
@Bigball
I agree with you, and I am constantly BEGGING my students to give me feedback and making sure that they are learning EXACTLY what they want to learn at all times. It's so hard sometimes getting it through to the kids who want to learn to write that theory will greatly aid them.

POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 10:20 am / quote |
UNIe :
Probably the best advice anyone could give to a guitar player
POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 02:16 pm / quote |
ClickClick :
You are a smart man sir.
POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 03:52 pm / quote |
Darkspear :
Yeah good article, Thats thrue
POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 04:35 pm / quote |
FDream Theater :
i don't have any problems of practising... and.. girls + guitars Im not saying they're bad...but i don't know any girls that can play guitar very well....
POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 05:08 pm / quote |
Jehuty :
ClickClick wrote:

You are a smart man sir.


I would recommend you to click on the link and then rephrase your statement.

POSTED: 05/11/2007 - 06:24 pm / quote |
Inf1n1tY. :
very good point

you sound like doyle brunson by the way

POSTED: 05/12/2007 - 07:58 am / quote |
glowskulls :
meh, good ego boost to know you're doing it right ahahahaha.
POSTED: 05/12/2007 - 11:41 am / quote |
HavokStrife :
I think this was a great article! I always believed there were just as many psychlogical hurdles involved with learning guitar as the general learning experience.

I may not have taken some things the way they might have originally intented, though..

For example..

" In the case of the student mentioned above, each time we would solve a problem in this manner, I would point out to her that I had not done anything for her that she couldn’t have done for herself."

More solidifies my opinion I don't need lessons.

POSTED: 05/12/2007 - 12:05 pm / quote |
marvelboy_04 :
ahh. a girl. nice lesson. miss andreas.
POSTED: 05/13/2007 - 12:33 am / quote |
Phillitalian :
Jamma wrote:

What a shit post, all of that is obvious unless you're a total retard...

Why the hell are you reading it then -.-;

POSTED: 05/13/2007 - 01:16 am / quote |
gunsnroses89 :
obviously...
POSTED: 05/13/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
ibanezguitarguy :
good!
POSTED: 05/13/2007 - 04:00 pm / quote |
ClaimYourVictim :
Excellent article. I have been playing for about 4 years and not to brag but I have surpassed my friend who has been playing for 6 years and it was by doing everything said in the article. It's all in the discipline, willpower, and focus.
POSTED: 05/13/2007 - 09:04 pm / quote |
poipoi :
I play guitar for 1 or 1,5 year or something like that, in the beginning all i could do was just simple tabs (I learn it on my own), and now, I can do chords I never thaugt I could do, and I see like 50 times faster how to play a chord and how to move from one chord to the other, but I have to admit, sometimes I still see myself being lazy, and just avoid the problem
POSTED: 05/14/2007 - 12:54 pm / quote |
TheZookeeper :
This is brilliant advice. If you can apply it to everything you learn, not only guitar, you can learn MUCH quicker than before. My dad always uses this method when I have a problem and it works a treat.
POSTED: 05/14/2007 - 06:13 pm / quote |
+RIPdime+ :
FDream Theater :
i don't have any problems of practising... and.. girls + guitars Im not saying they're bad...but i don't know any girls that can play guitar very well....

you are SO so wrong, its a typical male thing to say though, im a girl and i consider myself to play extremely well, i also teach guitar at 3 high schools and i can play songs from slayer, pantera, dream theatre, Deicide and pretty much whatever else you can throw at me, how bout that hmmmm?

POSTED: 05/15/2007 - 07:00 pm / quote |
ZEppelin1969 :
good stuff
POSTED: 05/15/2007 - 07:09 pm / quote |
DMguitar1 :
+RIPdime+ wrote:

FDream Theater :
i don't have any problems of practising... and.. girls + guitars Im not saying they're bad...but i don't know any girls that can play guitar very well....

you are SO so wrong, its a typical male thing to say though, im a girl and i consider myself to play extremely well, i also teach guitar at 3 high schools and i can play songs from slayer, pantera, dream theatre, Deicide and pretty much whatever else you can throw at me, how bout that hmmmm?



true... im working on stream of consciousness =D

POSTED: 05/16/2007 - 09:46 am / quote |
Frankie Sparks :
Been playing a year and a half and I can play the solo to Fade to Black(all 3), Eruption, All of Thunderhorse(Dethklok), and All of Battery(metallica). Better than my friends that have been playing 4-12 years. And btw, that thing about girls not knowing how to play guitar is WROOOOONG!!! I went to guitar center and tried to impress this good looking girl, and OH MY GOD SHE WAS AMAZING, she could do all of that neoclassical shred crap, everything oh my god i felt so embarassed...
POSTED: 05/16/2007 - 09:59 am / quote |
+RIPdime+ :
see...chicks can do what guys can do, if not better!!
=P

POSTED: 05/16/2007 - 04:29 pm / quote |
zippidyduda :
Been playing a year and a half and I can play the solo to Fade to Black(all 3), Eruption, All of Thunderhorse(Dethklok), and All of Battery(metallica). Better than my friends that have been playing 4-12 years
.

Um, im sorry, but i find that hard to beleive...

Great article!

POSTED: 05/16/2007 - 11:13 pm / quote |
shwilly :
She likes to pretend she is helpless, so that she can be rescued. She likes to be the damsel in distress


Heheh, I once taught a girl for a few months and my first impression of here was something like that too, only I'm a guy and it felt pretty sweet having her act all sad until I would come to the rescue, I must say... but after a while it gets pretty annoying and you realize that she isn't learning to deal with these issues herself at all.

And I can't say I'm a stranger to this "passive practicing" thing myself: I never walk away from difficult chord transitions or exercises, but when I'm learning a difficult tune which involves doing some research (looking up some regular sheet music or listening to a song note for note to find out what I'm exactly supposed to play) I do tend to get lazy and switch to another song instead. Shame on me!

POSTED: 05/17/2007 - 06:02 am / quote |
br4vw :
Awesome definatly applies to me - and I think a lot of new players fall in that rut of focusing what they are "good" at rather then exploring and forcing themselves to attack things that are more difficult and therefore harder to see results from. Instant gratification VS. delayed gratification - Delayed is generally much more fulfilling!
POSTED: 05/17/2007 - 01:07 pm / quote |
Chris-13 :
YAY
POSTED: 05/18/2007 - 04:10 pm / quote |
sum41freak8733 :
"Been playing a year and a half and I can play the solo to Fade to Black(all 3), Eruption, All of Thunderhorse(Dethklok), and All of Battery(metallica). Better than my friends that have been playing 4-12 years"

ya i find that hard to believe too.....ive played for 9 years and my friends that have played for a year and a year and a half cannot play that stuff .....but then again some people do pic it up faster than others

POSTED: 05/19/2007 - 12:56 pm / quote |
strq010 :
redundant in my opinion, but good nonetheless. basically kids, listen and ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT YOUR PLAYING. real simple and dont be lazy with your playing, b/c its so cool to find something new
POSTED: 05/28/2007 - 08:46 pm / quote |
jthm_guitarist :
A helpful point, but it didn't need to be that long. And it's not even long. So that's saying something.
I'll apply it.

POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 01:59 am / quote |
garthunkle :
zippidyduda wrote:

Been playing a year and a half and I can play the solo to Fade to Black(all 3), Eruption, All of Thunderhorse(Dethklok), and All of Battery(metallica). Better than my friends that have been playing 4-12 years.

Um, im sorry, but i find that hard to beleive...

Great article!


Lol so true... Frankie Sparks is so full of shit. And Neo-classical shred isnt crap.
Nice column. I learnt a thing or two about how to improve the way i practice.

POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 06:24 am / quote |
Alex Growllin :
Thinking helps a LOT!!!!!

POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 11:11 am / quote |
Torment :
oooookkkkk!!!!!
POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 11:49 am / quote |
tenkz :
"Lol so true... Frankie Sparks is so full of shit."

I have to disagree with you there.
Maybe they other people were practicing like s**t, being lazy, or something, and maybe Frankie Sparks was practicing like hell.

POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 01:04 pm / quote |
Bongofdestiny :
Jehuty wrote:

ClickClick wrote:

You are a smart man sir.


I would recommend you to click on the link and then rephrase your statement.

lol

POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 06:43 am / quote |
Bongofdestiny :
zippidyduda wrote:

Been playing a year and a half and I can play the solo to Fade to Black(all 3), Eruption, All of Thunderhorse(Dethklok), and All of Battery(metallica). Better than my friends that have been playing 4-12 years
.

Um, im sorry, but i find that hard to beleive...

Great article!

I think you will find its not so hard to believe when so many guitarists just learn easy tabs or intros for like 5 years and say they play guitar when they don't even know a song all the way thru

POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 06:46 am / quote |
Bongofdestiny :
so compared to his friends hes gna b better
POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 06:47 am / quote |
honorthydead :
in my band the rythm guitarist isnt good with chords and he changes everything to octaves "because it sounds better" god i hate it when he does that


Why the hell do you have a rhythm guitarist that can't play chords? Kind of ironic, and pathetic if I do say so myself.

POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 08:36 am / quote |
mercurymay :
in my band the rythm guitarist isnt good with chords and he changes everything to octaves "because it sounds better" god i hate it when he does that


what tuning do you play in? for your rhythm guitarist i would recommend drop tuning- it's easier to switch chords.

or pm me with a mailing address i can send you a really handy chord book i got with total guitar magazine.

POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 12:34 pm / quote |
Night :
that1l)ude wrote:

sometimes though the person practicing does not always know what questions to ask themselves to solve a problem they have run into. I realize that was obviously not the case here, but sometimes it is. I am often in this situation and my teacher would think i weren't trying hard enough.

another thing
"The Aggressive student will hold on to everything he learns. He will think about it and use it. He will ask questions, and never be satisfied until he understands."
this also can not be the students fault, as he may be given too much information at one time to be able to 'hold on to it'. just some situations i find myself in, in the process of learning.



being a songwriter, and self-taught.. of course you cannot always abosrb EVERYTHING at once or a short or even long period of time(w/e the case may be) but take what you do know, and incorporate that into your playing and (inmy ase) i apply it to my songwriting since its what i do most of the time

and keep of recor of what you went over fyi *take notes* and normally you would have a book on this would you not, i mean if you were serious about taking lessons ect, or had a music class as part of your curriculum w/e

that way, even if you didnt take in everything at one time.. you could at least go over it and fill the gaps yourself

POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 05:36 pm / quote |
Night :
no different than normal study... lol
POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 05:46 pm / quote |
CalgaryMetal :
i would respond to that: if your lazy and wont practice and learn everything you can, either u don't actually like guitar or you're just lazy as sin and need to get some work ethic lol.
POSTED: 05/30/2007 - 08:41 pm / quote |
monster_inacup :
Jamma wrote:

What a shit post, all of that is obvious unless you're a total retard...


i wouldnt go as far as this but i agree to an extent. surely this just sorts the guitarists from the poeple who play guitar? you cant force people to be more interested in music, u can inspire them and encourage them, but if they dont wanna keep learning, challenging themselves with new things, then thats up to them and deep down they dont want to be the best guitar player they can be. So called 'passive' students are just learning guitar because they thinks it cool or someone told them to do it or they want to but there happy to plod along. I understand the frustration part though. When your teaching someone and you start explaining things and talk about things that u have a passionate interest in and they just shrug it off in a why would i need to know that way. Or u try and teach them an awkward chord and u get a its too hard i cant be bothered. those people dont deserve to be taught.
CalgaryMetal wrote:

i would respond to that: if your lazy and wont practice and learn everything you can, either u don't actually like guitar or you're just lazy as sin and need to get some work ethic lol.

bang on.

i look at music in quite an academic way now. having taught myself for 3 years with the only prior knowledge of grade 1 piano around 10 years beforehand, i find teaching myself interesting, i find it fun to make little challenges like play something in 7/8, or 13/16 just for a laugh. no one believed me when i told them i was self taught. then i got a teacher for the last 3 years. hes an absolute hero, doesnt teach me, more just me through problems by going, try play this (seemingly unrelated) instead, i play it, now try it again. and bang you can play. Ill be left astonished how he knew exactly what to tell me, and what i should practice instead in order to play something. Thats where teachers should come into the equation. not forcing people to practice, but helping them when they get stuck on a musical voyage, (and teaching them things which books cant and you cant really figure out for yourself) End of the day, i dont think you can make other people as interested in music as you are. you can show them the door and give them an insight but thats it.

POSTED: 05/31/2007 - 09:13 am / quote |
Kurt_Rosenwinkl :
uhh i hold the pick at a 45 degree angle. k thx gg
POSTED: 05/31/2007 - 02:28 pm / quote |
howfreeisthis :
do ya?
POSTED: 06/01/2007 - 01:20 am / quote |
soulgazer :
nice!
POSTED: 06/01/2007 - 07:18 am / quote |
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