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Building An Army Of Fans Every Time You Perform

author: Draven Grey date: 10/26/2009 category: general music
rating: 6.8 / votes: 29 
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 09:16 am
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beatreebor :
good article, tho not useful to me.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 09:47 am / quote |
dgme92 :
Not useful at to me at all either, but it was a good read nonetheless.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 10:10 am / quote |
JohnnySolo :
I loved it, gonna try all the things you mentioned!
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:27 am / quote |
MrReMo :
There is no way visuals could affect my understanding of the band music because, for me, it's simply an addon. If I want visuals, I can see a movie. If I want costumes, I can go to a carnival. There is a fine line between having this addon (peter gabriel, R.E.M. sometimes, which I find quite cool) and Becoming this addon.

If you NEED to become the addon, you are way out of the music path. Music is energy, and energy flows between you and the audience like a thousand images, a constant heat. If your music is good, creative, non-cliché, mind blowing and from the deep of your being, you don't need anything more than a good and clean sound background, good mics, amps, whatever.

POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:29 am / quote |
SylKain :
Good concept but it's just another sales pitch for something ridiculous like "become a shredder in 10 easy steps". Stage magnetism is something you either have or have not, in the first case maybe you can improve mastery in those 12 days...if not nothing happens
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:31 am / quote |
voodoochild23 :
If you are a money hungry, naive band, who have gone the quick route and masked their weaknesses by playing under an unoriginal style, it'll show. And vise versa, if you love music enough to put ur soul into it, it'll show, and more often than not, you'll have an admirable personality to begin with.

Concerts and careers and everything, they will go well if ur intentions are right n u put the hours in, nothing else matters

POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:50 am / quote |
Andragon :
Wrong. You develop stage charisma as you perform more and more. Are you willing to make the effort? That's the question.
As for the article, well, it doesn't really say much. "Engage the audience."

POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:53 am / quote |
7thSonOf7thSon :
Last paragraph... "Draven Grey...rock band success coach with Tom Hess" - Explains why the article was another useless sales pitch.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 01:38 pm / quote |
KwikKopy :
One time my old band played an opening act for a show in a venue that randomly had taped squares on the floor. So after we played, while everyone was waiting for the main act to set up, we found a ball, jumped into the crowd, and played four square with everyone while they waited. It was just a random fun way for the people to bond with us.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 02:06 pm / quote |
paquiquinho :
It's a good, no doubt about it, but I disagree in some points. I mean just look at PJ's unplugged. No big things there and I think it's one of the best performances ever! It was, and still is, all about great music!
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 03:35 pm / quote |
paquiquinho :
paquiquinho wrote:

It's a good, no doubt about it, but I disagree in some points. I mean just look at PJ's unplugged. No big things there and I think it's one of the best performances ever! It was, and still is, all about great music!


*good read

POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 03:35 pm / quote |
KirkMetallica :
Cool man, I'm defos gonna try all this when I'm in the limelight
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 03:44 pm / quote |
Will-kun :
Lol f***ing Tom Hess. Just another one of his sales pitches.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 04:27 pm / quote |
Fatal Instinct :
As soon as I saw the links to quizzes and the like, I thought "damn you, Tom Hess!" And there he was.

F***ED AGAIN!

POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 04:39 pm / quote |
BugrahanGedik :
Totally agreed Will-kun.. But its good infromation for someone like me..
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 05:07 pm / quote |
restless_thrash :
Somewhere, in a dark, alabama basement, the real tom hess is bound and gagged in a small wine cellar, trying to regain his career.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 06:48 pm / quote |
iakirov :
This IS a sales pitch, no doubt about it, and that's something that UG should try to filter, but on the other hand, the author is right on what he says, that, plus the band attitude and talent on stage build those bridges we all want, even when you have not performed yet -being a new act, you can manage your band to got an army of followers if you let them know and see your rehearsals, hang out with them, or just say hi on the street, so when you go on stage you already got an audience of your own, hungry for you and your music.
POSTED: 10/26/2009 - 11:39 pm / quote |
GisleAune :
Remove the 2 last paragraphs and it's win.

Great article tho.

POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 03:15 am / quote |
ihavenoname93 :
at first i was like k, koo.

You don’t have to walk the road to success alone. Get this free 12 day mini course on how to turn your rock band into a success. In addition, test yourself in this free rock band success test


then i raged

POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 03:22 am / quote |
SpiritThief :
This needs to be taken down...call sales pitch
POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 08:18 am / quote |
EnDZYm3 :
@MrReMo

No, you're way off. Seriously, imagine a world where every band, and every show had no visuals or sfx....how the hell would anything be considered original or different? And if you are one to frequent the same venue on different days to see different bands, how will you tell any of them apart, or remember their name? They looked just like every other band, right?

Record labels don't spend millions of dollars a year on visuals for nothing, plain and simple.

POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 02:13 pm / quote |
wtfisthatadew :
yeah, music is only like 1/3 of the concert-going experience. Unless the people already know your jams, they won't care about you. Unless of course you do something crazy/memorable/awesome/wild/etc., the standard, non-musical emo girl watching you won't care. So saying the music is the only important part of a concert and gaining fans is a complete denial of fact.
POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 04:52 pm / quote |
eastern_riffs :
another marketing article by the tom hess group of people. there has hardly been one article by them that i've found useful and a good read. every article is basically a lead up to a link that shows a picture of tom hess.

unless UG is making a financial gain out of this, please, Eugeny (if you still own this), stop this and let UG be how it used to when I first joined years ago-that's when all the quality existed. UG has really gone mainstream.

POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 09:35 pm / quote |
MelodicSlap :
Rock star success coach... sorta fail
POSTED: 10/27/2009 - 11:57 pm / quote |
Cheesepuff :
its just telling you to get stage presence and a style. You need that for live playing in a band, it makes the shows more fun.
POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 06:12 am / quote |
Paul Tauterouff :
Some of this seems like common sense, but I have seen quite a few bands who do not do these things, especially at a local level. They hide in the corner with their girlfriends, wives or friends before their set.

At the bigger venues, people pay a lot to see shows and want to get a lot of bang for their buck. I mean depending on the musical style I don't mind seeing some bands who just stand there, but in that case I hope there would be some nice lighting or other cool visuals to balance things out.

POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 11:15 am / quote |
Draven Grey :
Thank you all for your comments.

There are a large number of bands that I've come across in my profession that haven't ever thought of creating a concert experience (hitting all the senses possible), extending from the core part of the concert, their music. While it may seem like a basic concept to many of you, this article was written for them. I will look into posting a few of my less "basic" articles in the future.

Also, I'm not selling anything in the article, but I can understand what you might be feeling about the last paragraph. I'll watch the language at the bottom of my future articles so they don't sound like a sales pitch... that wasn't my intention at all.

POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 11:20 am / quote |
tommaso.zillio :
That's a great read. In my experience I've met two type of performers:
- the ones that THINK they are doing a good job because "it comes natural to them".
- the ones that WORK on a better stage presence.
There may be some natural talent involved, but the ones who actually work on their shows instead on relying on "natural talent" have the best shows, period. This article makes some good points on what you have to work on. Keep em' coming.

POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 12:56 pm / quote |
Nick Layton :
Good stuff Draven
POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 01:02 pm / quote |
chrisweyers :
Great article, Draven. I never thought about this stuff before now.
POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 01:31 pm / quote |
Randy Johnson :
Good stuff to consider Draven. I can think of some examples in my area that have leveraged a lot of this.

You can definitely tell a difference between the next podunk garage band that "thinks" they are the shit (in the corners hiding behind their girlfriends and with the people they have begged to come to the gig) and those that have busted their ass in every way to connect and are kicking the shit outta everyone around them!!

POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 06:17 pm / quote |
CoreysMonster :
why did I know this would somehow be connected to that Tom Hess guy?
They don't seem to create successful musicians and bands, just people who seem to always push their lessons down your throat.
tommaso.zillio wrote:

That's a great read. In my experience I've met two type of performers:- the ones that THINK they are doing a good job because "it comes natural to them".- the ones that WORK on a better stage presence.There may be some natural talent involved, but the ones who actually work on their shows instead on relying on "natural talent" have the best shows, period. This article makes some good points on what you have to work on. Keep em' coming.

wrong.
when you're on the stage, be yourself. Don't put on an act, or it just looks stupid. if it doesn't flow, it'll look forced. if you're Phil Anselmo and are pissed off and do lines of cocaine everyday, a demented, agressive personality is gonna come more natural to him than to the lead singer from the Jonas Brothers, and it works.
the frontmen with the best stage performance work on their performance not by rehearsing, but by performing a buttload of times.
and again, **** off, Tom Hess.

POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 07:28 pm / quote |
CoreysMonster :
also, I'm not bashing you, draven grey, but that tom hess guy just pisses me off with his unending sales pitches on this site, and his ideals of what a performing artist has to be like are pretty closed-minded IMO.
POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 07:38 pm / quote |
eastern_riffs :
you might want to check this out, it's an article I wrote 5 years ago on the same topic, building and maintaining a fan base. its cool and everything that online music companies are writing for uG now, but please have a little more quality, especially since you're professionals. i wrote this article when i was 16.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/junkyard/build ing_and_maintaining_your_fan_base.html


POSTED: 10/28/2009 - 08:04 pm / quote |
BobBlunn :
Good article Draven. I kept thinking of Derek Trucks when I was reading this - Incredibly awesome guitarist but he doesn't play to the audience much. (At all?)
Thanks for sharing, and...
Jam ON!
-BB

POSTED: 10/29/2009 - 01:50 am / quote |
tommaso.zillio :
CoreysMonster wrote:
wrong.
when you're on the stage, be yourself. Don't put on an act, or it just looks stupid. if it doesn't flow, it'll look forced. if you're Phil Anselmo and are pissed off and do lines of cocaine everyday, a demented, agressive personality is gonna come more natural to him than to the lead singer from the Jonas Brothers, and it works.
the frontmen with the best stage performance work on their performance not by rehearsing, but by performing a buttload of times.


I do not see the contradiction between "rehearsing" and "being genuine". In my performing career I've worked with actors (playing musicals): they rehearse everything a helluva lotsa times, and you can see how much they improve by doing this. The same is true for us musicians. What seems natural on stage may or may not be actually natural to the performer. Also, rehearsing IS precisely "performing it a lot", only with a public of helpful people who give you direct feedback.

POSTED: 10/29/2009 - 04:04 am / quote |
darksauce :
lol hess-rolled
POSTED: 10/29/2009 - 05:00 am / quote |
CoreysMonster :
tommaso.zillio wrote:
I do not see the contradiction between "rehearsing" and "being genuine". In my performing career I've worked with actors (playing musicals): they rehearse everything a helluva lotsa times, and you can see how much they improve by doing this. The same is true for us musicians. What seems natural on stage may or may not be actually natural to the performer. Also, rehearsing IS precisely "performing it a lot", only with a public of helpful people who give you direct feedback.

All I meant was, don't try to put on an act. if you're a band that likes to headbang, obviously practice headbanging in unison while rehearsing and stuff like that, but I got the impression this is all about some kind of choreographed stage act, which may have been popular in the 80's, but looks really stupid nowadays. I can't stand watching old Van Halen performances, with Sammy Hagar yelling "Iiiit's fifty one fiiiifty tiiiiime" and running around the stage like an idiot.
It's too over the top, it's too staged, at least for my taste.
Obviously if you want to do things like jumping or whatever, you need to practice them to get everyone together on that, but I'm just not a fan of "acts".
And performing in front of a couple of friends and family will help, but it won't make you a great live band, IMO. that comes with performing live, on stage, night after night.
also, just read your Ideas pt. 1 article. awesome stuff, man.

POSTED: 10/29/2009 - 05:11 am / quote |
CoreysMonster :
eastern_riffs wrote:

you might want to check this out, it's an article I wrote 5 years ago on the same topic, building and maintaining a fan base. its cool and everything that online music companies are writing for uG now, but please have a little more quality, especially since you're professionals. i wrote this article when i was 16.http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/junkyard/build ing_and_maintaining_your_fan_base.html

they don't WANT to write quality articles, they're just trying to get you to book their lessons. if they were to write quality articles for free, people would have no incentive to go to their site, which is one of the reasons people here hate Tom Hess so much. He doesn't really help, he just advertises his stupid lessons.
"But wait a minute Corey, he's taught Rusty Cooley!"
"Do you know any of his other students listed on his site?"
"Well, no..."
"Do you know any music of Cooley's other than the stuff he has on Youtube?"
"Well, not really, but--"
"There. Go away."

POSTED: 10/29/2009 - 05:16 am / quote |
PamG :
I tried just a few of the ideas from the article with my band and was amazed at the difference in our show. It was an experience like none we have had so far. Way to go, Draven! AND it cost me nothing but a great time for all.
POSTED: 11/09/2009 - 10:09 am / quote |
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