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Importance Of Having A Repertoire

author: Jamie_Andreas date: 03/21/2006 category: general music
rating: 8.9 / votes: 57 
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 09:26 am
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Inf1n1tY. :
really true. i think every guitarist on the beginning level hat this problem once
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 09:48 am / quote |
spankbass :
Ah, I think we all have or have this problem. Very true as a bassist I also had this problem when I started out... then it diminished when I got a teacher who was a solid help and forced me to play something at recidals so I had to be good. It's great that you took the time to bring this topic up. Thanks!
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 11:47 am / quote |
spankbass :
or have had* sorry
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 11:47 am / quote |
Mortigi Tempo :
ok so as guitarists we should learn to play things wow thanks for that
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 12:37 pm / quote |
gu1tar4lyf3 :
great stuff, i have always been in the habit of always practicing random intros...playing through a whole piece and performing really helps
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 12:41 pm / quote |
yawn :
Wow I'm exactly the type of person you wrote this for. I know hundreds of riffs, but I can't even really play through one full song. Kind of pathetic
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 12:55 pm / quote |
greeneggs'n'ham :
i'm impressed. You've done a very good job motivating me, as i was reaching the stage where practicing is beginning to lose its luster
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 03:08 pm / quote |
rush4life :
That described me to a T!
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 03:47 pm / quote |
Metalology :
Excellent advice, I was like this before. But, I've been going back and learning the songs I've started from begining to finish.
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 03:48 pm / quote |
theonlybman :
Wow this article was great, it's really gonna help me as a piano player.
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 04:49 pm / quote |
cefasnacht :
i think this is the first time i'm giving 5 stars, very good, very informative! playing in front of people is by far the best way to improve your playing!!!
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 05:44 pm / quote |
Dan Steinman :
Good job. Learning a bunch of riffs without being able to play a whole song through is a bad habit. Learn every song the whole way through and practice it till you can do it smoothly. It even helps to learn it in more than one key, especially if you play with a freaking sax or horn player who refuses any key but Bb and Eb (and trust me they do)
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 06:49 pm / quote |
ncm414 :
awsome, very informative!
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 08:19 pm / quote |
workstar :
So im not the only one...
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 08:25 pm / quote |
SteveHouse :
Mortigi Tempo wrote:

ok so as guitarists we should learn to play things wow thanks for that

Don't be an arse. He is saying that we should take the time to learn to play things all the way through and well, instead of just a riff here or this lick there and quitting. And the performing bit is gonna be my killer with vocals, but in time I will get over it. Thousands of props for Guy, and for Dude that I quoted: The Finger. ,l,,.

POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 08:29 pm / quote |
SteveHouse :
Dan Steinman wrote:
It even helps to learn it in more than one key, especially if you play with a freaking sax or horn player who refuses any key but Bb and Eb (and trust me they do)

The people out there don't know how true that is. There is a reason that freaking sax and horn players don't like any other key- we don't know them and hate the crap out of accidentals.

POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 08:31 pm / quote |
Stop Messin' :
Great article. 10/10 and since it has a pic of Joe Perry 20/10
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 09:02 pm / quote |
steveCFH :
I can relate...
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 09:12 pm / quote |
 
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Spam check.
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 10:39 pm / quote |
Phrozac :
I was just thinking about that today. good article
POSTED: 03/21/2006 - 11:39 pm / quote |
webaldo :
i never had such a problems, i was always jerking around with guitar outside with my friends. when i come home i practice ^^
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 03:43 am / quote |
demez :
great artical keep writing on UG
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 06:31 am / quote |
UNIe :
wow! that is so true... I must make repertoire, NOW!
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 08:24 am / quote |
FalloutGREEN182 :
jeez i never thought about that, good article im gunna go make a repertoire
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 03:17 pm / quote |
Mortigi Tempo :
SteveHouse wrote:

Mortigi Tempo wrote:

ok so as guitarists we should learn to play things wow thanks for that

Don't be an arse. He is saying that we should take the time to learn to play things all the way through and well, instead of just a riff here or this lick there and quitting. And the performing bit is gonna be my killer with vocals, but in time I will get over it. Thousands of props for Guy, and for Dude that I quoted: The Finger. ,l,,.
yes I know what he said and I stand by my mock praise

POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 05:12 pm / quote |
black_sabbath85 :
not a bad article for new guitar players. I had to learn it the hard way.....i.e. figure it all out my self!
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 06:03 pm / quote |
JunkheadJunkie :
UNIe wrote:

wow! that is so true... I must make repertoire, NOW!


Ditto....MUST...MAKE...REPERTOIRE

POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 06:38 pm / quote |
grungerag13 :
yea ive been playing 2 years, sometimes i feel like im the best in my school, but then i see jerryc and yngwie play... and that kinda ruins it.. lol
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 06:48 pm / quote |
Mortal Hero :
This lesson was just for me. Made me realize how bad I am. Thanks for posting this great article!
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 08:10 pm / quote |
Primis :
This is a "*foreheadsmack*" kind of article yet a lot of guys I know that play can't say they have a repertoire of any kind, and consequently it limits them. I have one... a very limited one, but I did recognize fairely early on that you have to have SOMETHING or else your interest wanes.

The hard part isn't GETTING a "repertoire" though, the hard part is then getting yourself to add to and evolve it. A buddy and I played together the other day and we both noted that we instantly went to playing the mid-to-late 1990's stuff we first learned on because that was our "safety blanket" to get going, which is fine in a way but also somewhat indicative of how far we've fallen off pace, if you will. Eventually you WILL get sick of playing the same things over and over again though and will be forced to evolve.

It's very true though that a lot of players think they're quite good, when the fact is they couldn't stand up and get through and entire song, errors allowed even. In some cases they don't even have the endurance to make it all the way through one because they only ever play snippets and never go all the way through.

This is basically a nice little article to remind us all the we all suck. If we didn't we wouldn't be here, we'd be off making millions off it instead. And complacency for a guitarist (especially a learning one) is VERY dangerous.

Good article though. The signal-to-noise ratio on this site is so high in favor of noise most of the time, yet it's contributions like this one that remind me of how good and useful this site can really be.

POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 09:15 pm / quote |
rabbitman92 :
cool article
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 09:24 pm / quote |
chinospike :
Nice

POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 10:53 pm / quote |
chinospike :
oops! wrong smilie

POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 10:53 pm / quote |
silvertone420 :
good article, i love watching people who think their bad ass cuz they can play a bunch of riff's but not a complete song. i see it all the time jamming at party's and what not that when someone will play some riff's people like them (don't get me wrong so do i) but they like it more when i or someone else will play a complete song wether it me more or less complicated, fast or slow, singing or not. and i agree with Primis that the hard part isn't getting a repertoire, but building on to it is! and realling that you need to do so!! i personally have a goal of learning a complete song every week and then i record it on my crappy lenox sound am/fm cassette player that has a mic. haha, but it works and it pay's out when i play for someone!!!
POSTED: 03/22/2006 - 11:14 pm / quote |
TyphoidSpider :
I have been playing for around 4 months. I have a bit of a repertoire, mostly Greenday and Tool (not very technical but awesome nonetheless). By Repertoire do you mean songs i have written or just other artists' songs?
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 03:02 am / quote |
Jens Hoorn :
when you can play whole song, it's pretty cool when you're asked to play a song. which you, at that point, can. including all the riffs and solo.
when you play just a solo. people can say like wauw, cool solo. but when play a whole song, then you make a good impression

POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 05:45 am / quote |
silvertone420 :
dont matter if they are your songs or someone else's, and to jens i agree a whole song makes a great impression especially if you do it well and put alot of emotion or expression in it
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 06:25 am / quote |
Daisuke :
Great article!
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 08:57 am / quote |
poo_porn :
play covers in a band

problem solved

POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 01:41 pm / quote |
 
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*spam check
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 01:59 pm / quote |
recklessftw :
That was a great read. I agree with WRITING your songs down. What I find is that sometimes even when I'm playing (just for me) I forget all the songs that I have to chose from. One little peice of paper (or computer doc) can solve that if you have the titles on them....
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 03:16 pm / quote |
auranos :
Dan Steinman wrote:

Good job. Learning a bunch of riffs without being able to play a whole song through is a bad habit. Learn every song the whole way through and practice it till you can do it smoothly. It even helps to learn it in more than one key, especially if you play with a freaking sax or horn player who refuses any key but Bb and Eb (and trust me they do)


Haha! How true! And just playing it with a capo doesn't count. All in all a good bit of advice in this article.

POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 05:45 pm / quote |
WiKiD :
this is the first time i'm ever giving a 5 aswell, i've been playing for about 15 months now, and it's the best advice i've ever gotten, cuz i've gotten into this funk and never really realized how bad it is until now... cheers!
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 06:05 pm / quote |
WiKiD :
errr i mean 10, not 5
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 06:05 pm / quote |
Mikeoman :
I learned the hard way. Played at school for a few times, then everyone wanted me out because I played the same old dribble over AND OVER AGAIN.

You know, I'm not too obsessed with learning a bunch of solos.

A) I can play fast, but I ain't super good with my ear. I learned, like, one solo by my ear and that was all the solos in the Thrill is Gone. I know a few fast solos but I ain?t too obsessed with learning all the Hendrix songs by heart. I like to improvise a lot, give it a little twist.

Do I have to learn a bunch of solos or is it OK for me to learn a bunch of rhythm parts to song?

B) Excessive soloing ain't the best thing in the world. I don?t like Malmsteen that much. I?ve been trying to learn a bunch of new songs lately, and they?re all just chord songs.

POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 07:08 pm / quote |
Necronomicon :
that was really a waste of time, isn't it kind of obvious that people need to be able to play songs to show off? its not exactly hard to figure out "hey if I play through this I'll get better". Obviously you're gonna practice the parts you can't hit and then try out the whole thing again. Guitar is fun, practicing is fun, this article was useless.
POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 12:01 am / quote |
silvertone420 :
how was this article useless?? get a life and stop trying to feel better by saying this was a useless article because your probably one of those "im cool cuz i can play a bunch of fast solo's" people, i know that probly 7 out of 10 guitarist are solo/riff's people, at least that i see and it's really annoying
POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 12:08 am / quote |
silvertone420 :
but either way all guitar is good i just had to say that, no hat'n here, peace
POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 12:09 am / quote |
dangermatt :
Your always gonna get some negative feed-back, even if you are trying to give some good advice. I remember being so scared to perform in front of people I would be shaking with fear. I friend of mine once told me that he practises so hard that when the time comes his music does the talking. I eventually developed a repertoire of songs that I can pull off really well, and now I do'nt feel uncomfortable at all.
Don't forget your not just a solo-playing guitar machine/freak, but a musician! Performing for people and entertaining them, touching them is what it is all about...

POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 01:09 am / quote |
lacerhead :
Good article. Some additional advice; start with a simple song and sing it while playing the rythm, tabs will allow you to read from the tab sheet in case you forget the lyrics. Even if your not a good singer this will teach you the structure of the song and also improve your concentration since your doing 2 things at once. From there you work on putting in the fills and solos. A good 4 beats per bar song is a good choice such as boulevard of broken dreams-green day or across the universe-beatles.
POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 01:33 pm / quote |
Atreideslegend :
hmmm a good article but the idea does have some problems, for example, what about multitracked recordings? A song will not sound complete with just playing the guitar part on its own. What happens when the bass takes the lead, or there's a drums fill, do u just sit there like an idiot counting the beats till ure part comes in again?
POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 03:18 pm / quote |
Let it Happen :
Atreideslegend wrote:

hmmm a good article but the idea does have some problems, for example, what about multitracked recordings? A song will not sound complete with just playing the guitar part on its own. What happens when the bass takes the lead, or there's a drums fill, do u just sit there like an idiot counting the beats till ure part comes in again?

good point, although if you play covers with a band, that problem gets solved.

POSTED: 03/24/2006 - 05:04 pm / quote |
rap_Fn_sux :
oops

POSTED: 03/25/2006 - 12:22 am / quote |
rap_Fn_sux :
... Anyway
great article, i think it will help me improve my playing. I made some connections with how Jamie was talking about losing motivation
As time went on, I realized that if I didn't start performing, offering and sharing the results of my "work" with others, I would not get any better. I was starting to feel my motivation for practicing getting weaker, and I knew it had something to do with not having a REASON enough for practicing.

I was starting to feel the same way, now i know why.
Thanks.

POSTED: 03/25/2006 - 12:26 am / quote |
v8ko :
Its the simple things that can sometimes slow you down or even stop you. This is really great advice to certain people to get to that next level. A few months ago I was right there...years of music theory bouncing around in my brain and yet spinning my wheels.
A couple months ago I joined a band (for the first time) and for the first time I thought to myself "I dont know JACK!" not that the other band members knew anymore than I did. Now my list is probably around 40+ songs that are pretty tight. This Saturday night we test the theory and play our first gig. Mind you Im the only guitarist.

Live by this article and record yourself at every possible chance. Oh and one more thing (this sounds really lame) but play in front of a mirror every now and again watch your fingers, hand placement, how you hold the pick, strumming technique. Its no different than what an athlete (not that were athletes) would do to make sure theyre doing things properly.

Great article! Albeit a little late for me.

POSTED: 03/25/2006 - 03:29 am / quote |
Stratocaster93 :
TyphoidSpider wrote:

I have been playing for around 4 months. I have a bit of a repertoire, mostly Greenday and Tool (not very technical but awesome nonetheless). By Repertoire do you mean songs i have written or just other artists' songs?



Other people's songs, dumbass! You're own songs are a completely different subject.



PS 4 months!?!?!? Noob!

POSTED: 03/25/2006 - 09:39 am / quote |
Nolan Whyte :
The inclusion of that 'fan letter' seemed like blatant advertising, and was pretty unnecessary.
POSTED: 03/25/2006 - 11:35 am / quote |
Night_Lights :
As Beethoven said after playing for a group of people who were too moved emotionally to applaud "what's the matter with you people, a performer wants APPLAUSE!"



wasent he deaf? lol just kidding



i suppose i am one of those who practise and dont play

POSTED: 03/26/2006 - 05:41 am / quote |
sum_english_guy :
great article dude
POSTED: 03/26/2006 - 08:05 am / quote |
mooman_24 :
cool article..
POSTED: 03/26/2006 - 11:17 am / quote |
campbed_2000 :
yer please refrain form using the word noob around music an stuff i think its just so gay, yer he/she may be a noob but this aint a competition or some shit like that yer my repetoire changes like coupke of riffs/solos etc

POSTED: 03/26/2006 - 12:11 pm / quote |
Gman400 :
I listen to mostly metal (classical is 2nd) so learning entire songs for me is really tough. There's always a solo or insane fill or something that's practically impossible at my stage (about 2 years of playing) plus many songs I feel would be great to elarn aren't available. Thank god for powertab though...that program helps so much.

Yeah anyway, I COULD be working on a reportoire of easy, complete songs right now but for me I feel that I cna do that anytime and I should be PRACTICING not playing. After all, whats the point of playing and not practicing if that;s not going to get you to a technical level to be able to play harder, more impressive songs?

Personally though I do have few classical songs, and a couple metal songs pretty much completely under my belt (though not perfect.)

POSTED: 03/26/2006 - 01:48 pm / quote |
pottsy :
nice article, would you say that being able to play a song more or less perfectly but having to have the sheet music infront of you counts? i can play loadza songs well with some form of music with some form of music infront of me, although, when im without i sometimes struggle. any advice?
POSTED: 04/04/2006 - 04:04 pm / quote |
arp :
Atreideslegend wrote:

hmmm a good article but the idea does have some problems, for example, what about multitracked recordings? A song will not sound complete with just playing the guitar part on its own. What happens when the bass takes the lead, or there's a drums fill, do u just sit there like an idiot counting the beats till ure part comes in again?


Yeah, excellent article! I think this article was originally written
by Jamie Andreas. I read it over an year ago and took her advice quite
seriously. At that time, I had no repertoire at all, but I've worked
on changing that.

Perhaps you want to find some good backing tracks (or even MIDIs) so
you'd have a virtual band to accompany you. I've managed to
find/build/buy fairly decent backing tracks for most of the songs in
my repertoire. In fact, I rarely add a song to my repertoire unless I
can find a backing track for it.

When using MIDIs, I often use software to mute the lead and/or rhythm
guitar tracks and play along with them. I suppose it's the next best
thing to playing with a live band, and it even prepares you to play in
one.

While many of the songs in my repertoire are simple, it's a wonderful
feeling to be able to play "all my parts" in them from beginning to
end! So now when someone wants me to play something for them, they get
wholesome music, not an arbitrary assortment of 20 second solos!

POSTED: 04/06/2006 - 07:20 pm / quote |
arp :
pottsy wrote:

nice article, would you say that being able to play a song more or less perfectly but having to have the sheet music infront of you counts? i can play loadza songs well with some form of music with some form of music infront of me, although, when im without i sometimes struggle. any advice?


If what you play is musical, it doesn't matter if you have sheets in front of you ... but that's just my opinion.







POSTED: 04/06/2006 - 07:25 pm / quote |
Jbetter_thanu :
nice article, i am now at the stage of losing motivation to practice, and kind of figured out that i needed to perform my stuff, i dont have much of a repertoire (only been playing like 14 months..? i think) but i really want to perform with people, like a band but i dont know any1 good enough to play with and i cant find a band or something... anyway, 10/10
POSTED: 04/16/2006 - 03:39 pm / quote |
ror :
excellent article. some really good and inspiring stuff in here
POSTED: 04/17/2006 - 06:19 am / quote |
Ibanezgrrl :
Great article, very inspirational for musicians of all levels.
POSTED: 05/08/2006 - 09:15 pm / quote |
Orneblad :
i would say this is a problem for "beginners" or halfserious guitarists, but that dosn't make it less important. for the most of us this stuff is obvious but some people need this reminder... good article.
POSTED: 09/14/2006 - 04:54 pm / quote |
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