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Musical Snobbery

author: Imago Dei date: 10/24/2007 category: general music
rating: 9.5 / votes: 6 
POSTED: 10/24/2007 - 11:00 am
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Gatrie :
Hey, excellent advises. We creatists, got the spirits of the Great Ones behind us! ;D
POSTED: 10/24/2007 - 09:33 pm / quote |
Guismo :
Hey man, yes I use this tool (circle of fith )since 1987. This is definitively the simples way to learn harmony. But, I realize your tool is not complete: to you have the inner circle : the minor and diminish ? belleygu@hotmail.com
POSTED: 10/25/2007 - 10:31 am / quote |
rokstar666 :
i just read your article on the circle of 5ths (an irrelevant statement perhaps lol). good to see an example of the application of the circle. and i agree it is important to b creative even when soloing over what might be considered an overused progression. i liked this article
POSTED: 10/25/2007 - 05:54 pm / quote |
pookieismydog :
You are on the right path here... But...

I am not trying to be the Music Police but since you are talking theory I thought I would chime in. When you grab the Bb over F or F# over G, they work because they are part of the F or the G scale. Keep in mind that scales are chords and chords are scales. And, depending on which notes you play and when you play them allows you create or release the tension or dissonence. So, you really aren't doing anything that is unconventional here. This is more like you are inviting people to explore their musical boundaries.

The way I see it is your audience always want chords to be resolved with roots & harmonies with a heavy emphasis on 3rds & 7ths during the solo(s). Use this to your advantage. You can use 11th & 13th without aggravating the base chords. Too really spice up your sound start incorporating some altered tones: b9, #4, #5... Just be sure not to over do it or you will lose your audience.

Thanks for the article

POSTED: 10/31/2007 - 07:56 pm / quote |
markdirt :
I agree with your article completely; the unconventional often brings out fresh and original work. It does weaken your article, however, to namedrop The Bealtes, Jimi Hendrix, and Van Halen. None of these artists were original in the sense that they recycled the same blues scales that black musicians had been using for decades.
POSTED: 11/09/2007 - 11:30 am / quote |
ProgIsGood :
I agree with your article completely; the unconventional often brings out fresh and original work. It does weaken your article, however, to namedrop The Bealtes, Jimi Hendrix, and Van Halen. None of these artists were original in the sense that they recycled the same blues scales that black musicians had been using for decades.

I do agree that the pentatonics are overused on guitar, however think about what you just said. That these musicians are lacking originality because they are using the same scales as previous musicians. Wouldn't that mean that everyone for the past 1000 years or so is unoriginal for using the same major and minor scales. Also, modes were used long even before that, so weare kinda outta luck aren't we?

POSTED: 11/13/2007 - 08:00 pm / quote |
Imago Dei :
pookieismydog wrote:

You are on the right path here... But...

I am not trying to be the Music Police but since you are talking theory I thought I would chime in. When you grab the Bb over F or F# over G, they work because they are part of the F or the G scale. Keep in mind that scales are chords and chords are scales. And, depending on which notes you play and when you play them allows you create or release the tension or dissonence. So, you really aren't doing anything that is unconventional here. This is more like you are inviting people to explore their musical boundaries.

The way I see it is your audience always want chords to be resolved with roots & harmonies with a heavy emphasis on 3rds & 7ths during the solo(s). Use this to your advantage. You can use 11th & 13th without aggravating the base chords. Too really spice up your sound start incorporating some altered tones: b9, #4, #5... Just be sure not to over do it or you will lose your audience.

Thanks for the article


Musical theory is always about perspective. Yep, the notes I mentioned work because of they are part of the underlying scale associated with the chord that is being played. An argument could be made the whatever scale I am playing is really just a harmonic construct within the orchestration. blah blah...

My point was to try and get guitarists to start to think about the music they are playing over as opposed to just throwing licks over chord progressions.

I appreciate your recommendations regarding 11th and 13th intervals and altered tones. Maybe some intrepid guitarists will pick up on that and explore the possibilities. After all, that is what the article was about.

POSTED: 11/17/2007 - 05:33 pm / quote |
Imago Dei :
markdirt wrote:

I agree with your article completely; the unconventional often brings out fresh and original work. It does weaken your article, however, to namedrop The Bealtes, Jimi Hendrix, and Van Halen. None of these artists were original in the sense that they recycled the same blues scales that black musicians had been using for decades.


I suppose originality is in the eye of the beholder. However, one could infer from your argument that since those same black musicians you mentioned were using the same 12 notes that were being used by classical composers for centuries said black musicians weren't original either.

Clearly there is enough distinction between Bach and Son House to recognize creativity somwhere along the path. Notice that the word I used and continue to use is creativity in the context of mentioning the above artists while you used "original". I never said the Beatles were original. In fact I defined creativity as "... an evaluation of how things are done and doing it just a little bit differently". This implies borrowing ideas from other musicians and taking them a step further. It's just another sign of musical snobber to say that Son House or Petey Wheatstraw invented the blues. I am confident that they blended the influences of their times that are lost to history.

POSTED: 11/17/2007 - 05:47 pm / quote |
Imago Dei :
ProgIsGood wrote:

I agree with your article completely; the unconventional often brings out fresh and original work. It does weaken your article, however, to namedrop The Bealtes, Jimi Hendrix, and Van Halen. None of these artists were original in the sense that they recycled the same blues scales that black musicians had been using for decades.

I do agree that the pentatonics are overused on guitar, however think about what you just said. That these musicians are lacking originality because they are using the same scales as previous musicians. Wouldn't that mean that everyone for the past 1000 years or so is unoriginal for using the same major and minor scales. Also, modes were used long even before that, so weare kinda outta luck aren't we?


Notice my post above regarding 12 notes. We only have 12 notes to work with. Yes it would be original to come up with tones other than the 12 associated with Western music. But, originality for the sake of originality is often lame. See my comment above regarding creativity versus originality.

My whole point was to take the typical and illustrate a way in which guitarists might explore other tones. Does that mean that they can't use pentatonic or blues scales? Nope.

However, it would be interesting to see how many guitarists would simply play a pentatonic, major, or blues scale exclusively over the chord progression I gave. There is nothing wrong with that. What I implied in my article was to go ahead and use those scales but to think about some other notes that could be added.

I can go back to Chuck Berry and show how he often did just that. He grabbed notes outside the normative scale. Yet Chuck never sounded like he was playing outside. I've heard Joe Satriani allude to this by saying that the more inside a scale you play the more technical you sound. Yet by adding some outside notes you sound less technical. Musicians know this isn't true because both approaches are equally techincal.

There is so much room for creativity I want to jump out of my skin. Imagine if Hendrix, Page, and EVH were producing your next guitar solo. What might they tell you about how to play it? Their approaches are so different who wouldn't be interested in hearing that outcome? I know I would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation! So no we are not out of luck...

POSTED: 11/17/2007 - 06:08 pm / quote |
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