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On Memorizing. Part Two

author: Jamie_Andreas date: 05/30/2008 category: general music
rating: 8.8 / votes: 37 
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 10:07 am
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antareus :
gu1tar4lyf3 wrote:

woah, first.

You have added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I hope your post is deleted for taking up space. Why this sort of tripe is tolerated on UG I have no idea.

Some of these concepts are in Jamie's book, which I highly recommend. Singing notes as you practice is really effective in learning what they should be. The combination of singing + playing the note on the guitar can do wonders for developing your ear and making it easier to tab something out really quick.

POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 11:05 am / quote |
Jackolas :
Good article.

^ I agree.

POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 01:10 pm / quote |
ordinary_story :
Pretty good article...last few lines really hit home.
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 02:04 pm / quote |
gizmodious :
Great article. I keep hearing about Aural Training but i havent been able to find much outside of memorizing intervals... this kind of elaborates on which aspect of memory that traing applies to. Thanks.
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 02:07 pm / quote |
CryingAlone :
when one says singing the notes.. can that mean hitting the melody with like "doo" or "la" or does it have to be words? because yeah i just wondering
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 04:00 pm / quote |
gunther_sucks :
I never really though of practicing that way. Great article!
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 04:23 pm / quote |
Squall.exe :
This is incredibly helpful. Thanks for sharing!
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 05:33 pm / quote |
Richy00713 :
good article, good tips
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 06:16 pm / quote |
Shawnbeer :
(when one says singing the notes.. can that mean hitting the melody with like "doo" or "la" or does it have to be words? because yeah i just wondering)
Of course bro as long as you can make the proper pitch of sound using your voice that is good but singing is always much more fun and would be better for you to practice.

POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 07:14 pm / quote |
bradwhiteuk :
Hmmm makes sense. I first picked up the guitar because I have naturally good "Ear Memory", and I tend to rely on this and a fair bit of "Finger Memory" when playing. However this article has made me realise my weakness in the field of "Eye Memory", and I know now I must improve this. Thanks.
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 09:16 pm / quote |
lestat1836 :
pretty good but not great
POSTED: 05/30/2008 - 11:41 pm / quote |
leviticus_22953 :
very helpful.
POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 12:22 am / quote |
MeTaLuPyOuRaRsE :
great article but wat did sum1 say about a book? It sounds gud, could sum1 plz comment back with a title? cheers
POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 08:42 am / quote |
TheNthDimension :
antareus wrote:

antareus wrote:
You have added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I hope your post is deleted for taking up space. Why this sort of tripe is tolerated on UG I have no idea.

Calm down? It's pointless but nobody gives a shit. Get over it maybe.

POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 10:10 am / quote |
dimatrod :
Very good article. I'm just now running into 3 setlists of a combined 30 songs, and it's starting to become a bit of a job now.

What I've found is the best solution is a combination of memory and improvisation. I know how the song goes, so if I know the scale it is, I can easily know the rhythm part. For solos, I usually stick the key parts into my brain (fingers), and improvise what I forget or stuff I find "filler" in the solos.

POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 11:28 am / quote |
musiclover_92 :
interesting article, I have started singing notes for a few months now...really helped, it has.
POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 01:31 pm / quote |
godofthemoon :
Interesting.. I should start singing in order to help my musical aspirations Thanks
POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 06:56 pm / quote |
MrReMo :
in fact, there are 7 kinds of memory that the guitarrist use, but well...as you wish.
POSTED: 05/31/2008 - 11:51 pm / quote |
voidSkipper :
What if you play instrumental? >.> Mogwai ftw.
POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 02:11 am / quote |
07bevanm :
cool stuff
To me its just seemed thhe way to do it naturally (well not the singing) like imaginbing seeing the music infront and where you are in it, what it souns like and just reeating it again and again with your fingers

but now! it actually got sesnse behind it!

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 02:20 am / quote |
J.MitMetallica :
You Must Learn To Sing The Notes If You Want To Be A Musician!


I know what you're saying and I agree, but I think you've said it wrong. It makes it sounds like you have to be able to sing. I think it's more like you have to know what you're going to play will sound like as / before you are playing, exhibiting the fact that you have complete control over what you're playing.

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 08:31 am / quote |
Kapalen :
Not everyone wants to sing. Sometimes they just wanna play guitar.
POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 01:07 pm / quote |
Darknives :
I've never had any problems in memorising music but, ehat you said is right. I've only been playing for a short time and I've never read anything on the memorizing subject but, I unconsciously use your method a lot. I say uncounsciously cause i never really though about it, its just the way I narutaly use to learn a song. like, i get guitar pro, i isolate a little scteion like the chorus or half of it, i read the notes and play them one by one with no rythim, just to get a base. then i put that part on loop, ultra slow and i play along. even if its really simple and i have no problems playing, i take my time going up the speed. and it works quick and simple

the meory i use more his the finger memory. i can just play a song that i've been training with my eyes closed, but if i have to think about the notes and explain to someone, I have troulbe lol, i have to look away from the fretboard and let my fingers play without thinking too much, and then watch where i played lol

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 01:38 pm / quote |
FLNagle :
And anyway, what good is a guitarist who can't sing? The way I look at it, no self respecting guitarist would go through life only strumming chords, and having to find somebody to provide a vocal melody line every time they wanted to "make music".


Really. So you cant make an entire song without vocal melody? The human voice completes every song in every genre of music? How very interresting.

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 05:22 pm / quote |
gtr-dude'n'a1/2 :
FLNagle wrote:
Really. So you cant make an entire song without vocal melody? The human voice completes every song in every genre of music? How very interresting.


I don't think he was saying all pieces of music are only complete when vocals are involved. I think he was addressing that he believes any guitarist probably has a little voice in the back of his mind, trying to get them to sing...to be perfectly honest, the human voice complements the guitar greatly, why wouldn't one want to sing?

Besides the point...
I think this was a great article, I'm definitely going to be thinking of memorization in this capacity from now on.

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 07:17 pm / quote |
antareus :
Kapalen wrote:

Not everyone wants to sing. Sometimes they just wanna play guitar.

This has nothing to do with singing as you talk about it. It is singing the note you are playing so you can develop your ear.

POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 09:29 pm / quote |
i_r_guitar :
i guess im lucky whatever i play i immediatley remember through my minds eye, i can play exactly what it sounds like in my head and sing it too, i play it twice and i have my finger memory to the point that i can practice it without ever looking at my fingers
POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 10:16 pm / quote |
magnum1117 :
i have good eye memory, when im improvising and i want to move to another shape of the scale i can "see" it and it doesn't take much time to do that.

finger memory...well i guess it's something natural when you play the same song a lot.

and i keep singing the solos when im in the shower lol

POSTED: 06/02/2008 - 05:07 pm / quote |
HeliuM :
Pretty much what I've always done, just never realized I did
POSTED: 06/03/2008 - 06:21 am / quote |
†death_boy† :
antareus wrote:

gu1tar4lyf3 wrote:

woah, first.

You have added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I hope your post is deleted for taking up space. Why this sort of tripe is tolerated on UG I have no idea.

Some of these concepts are in Jamie's book, which I highly recommend. Singing notes as you practice is really effective in learning what they should be. The combination of singing + playing the note on the guitar can do wonders for developing your ear and making it easier to tab something out really quick.


cry about it much?

POSTED: 06/03/2008 - 11:07 am / quote |
Porteus :
Alas... I can barely make a croak.
POSTED: 06/03/2008 - 01:33 pm / quote |
goo94 :
i think im ok on eye and can "hear" a melody (especially handy on bass), i just gotta tighten up my hand memory, and speed it up.

great article i wouldnt've thought about that

POSTED: 06/03/2008 - 04:34 pm / quote |
BlackSymphony6 :

Kapalen :
Not everyone wants to sing


more to the point, not everyone can sing.

POSTED: 06/03/2008 - 05:11 pm / quote |
mnvmusic :
Just recently, I've been putting more effort into my music (..practicing, composing, recording..etc.) after music took "back stage" to the rest of my lifes priorities. Technology has advanced so much over the years and its awesome to see how much is out there to help musicians. This UltimateGutiar web site is an example. And forums and articles like this are such a big help to amateur musicians.! This article really inspired me and gave me a better approach to my practicing.! Two thumbs up!!!!!
POSTED: 06/04/2008 - 11:34 am / quote |
farlige-john1 :
very good article but, how are we surposed to learn to sing, when we (i) sound like something you really don't want to listen to..?
POSTED: 06/08/2008 - 04:01 am / quote |
anghelika :
nice theory, very interesting but not enough proof to support claims.. ?
POSTED: 06/09/2008 - 04:14 am / quote |
ShredderOmega :
Amusing, there's a Screaming Coach on YouTube doing the opposite; To train your voice to hit the right pitch he plays the note on the guitar.

I myself can't sing, BUT I can tell if I'm not hitting a note and rectify it; I can't tell you that a particular note is a Bb, but if you sound a B I can eventualy reproduce that note via voice, guitar or whatever. If you can't hear pitches, you're in REAL trouble if you want to be a musician.

POSTED: 06/10/2008 - 08:22 pm / quote |
zerowing :
voidSkipper wrote:

What if you play instrumental? >.> Mogwai ftw.


lol yep, singing sweeps just doesnt happen

anyway, wow this opens up my musical mind.. haha

POSTED: 06/12/2008 - 11:51 am / quote |
restless_thrash :
Pretty good stuff.
POSTED: 06/12/2008 - 03:56 pm / quote |
tacobell444 :
i do all of these...except.....i see shapes. more than anything else i rely on the shapes i see when i look at my guitar. every song i know has its own shape, and thats how most of my memorization is done. i dunno about anyone else, but thats the easiest way it seems like to me
POSTED: 06/16/2008 - 02:17 pm / quote |
guns-o :
I´m an intermediate level guitar player, I got the rythm part down and I´m starting to improvise solos, but I can´t play and sing at the same time, my mind gets lost trying both. although i sing like crap, i agree that´s more fun to do both (bob dylan, anyone?) so if you have any tips for me i´ll be grateful.
POSTED: 06/17/2008 - 07:49 pm / quote |
jparker32 :
I have a question.... ive been self taught for alomst 2 yrs now and ive tried using books and i just couldnt concentrate while using them so i gave up on that idea and just started to doodle on my guitar, i know some major chords and ive been told i have that natural talent in this article where u can hear music before its played and ive tried the singing while playing but for some reason while im playing i cant enunciate words or even play consistently... what am i doing wrong?
POSTED: 06/19/2008 - 04:29 pm / quote |
shredmanwalking :
good lesson.
helps alot if you train yourself

POSTED: 06/22/2008 - 01:32 pm / quote |
Coronas :
I've always "played" the songs in my head when my mp3 player was out of battery (even before learning to play the guitar)...

I never guessed it developed my ear skills lol

Btw, nice article

POSTED: 06/26/2008 - 05:51 am / quote |
lockless7x :
so im guessing mind memory and eye memory are the same thing ?
POSTED: 06/27/2008 - 10:35 am / quote |
 
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*checked*

POSTED: 06/29/2008 - 11:24 am / quote |
fretsonfire74 :
lockless7x wrote:

so im guessing mind memory and eye memory are the same thing ?

Not really. Eye memory is being able to see what you're playing without even holding a guitar, while mind memory is being able to remember the exact notes.

POSTED: 06/29/2008 - 09:27 pm / quote |
bhardwaj :
gunther_sucks wrote:

I never really though of practicing that way. Great article!

+1

POSTED: 06/30/2008 - 02:24 pm / quote |
mistertomo123 :
Yeah, well it's great for telling me what different types of my brain does or whatever, but what is the f***ing point of this tripe. It's called trying to give nameless stuff names. If you want to call yourself a musician, be a musician rather than fannying about with crap like this. Getting playing, writing, performing and getting used to these 3 things is far more important than memorising fancy names for reflex and memory. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it's bullshit in my opinion.
POSTED: 07/01/2008 - 04:39 am / quote |
tacobell444 :
for all of those talking about playing and singing at the same time who are having problems, its all in practice. you have to know the song/lyrics so well you could sing them in your sleep, and when you're starting out on singing/playing at the same time, and you think you have everything down perfectly, if you're still having problems, you probably dont know it as well as you think. however, there are exceptions, such as if the guitar part is just a really unnatural one. all that must be taken into account.
POSTED: 07/01/2008 - 09:23 pm / quote |
_jokerman_ :
this memory does this whereas this memory does this whilst this memory does this. your limitless vanity will drown you.
POSTED: 07/10/2008 - 07:55 am / quote |
uvq :
Eye memory and ear memory cant think either.
POSTED: 07/15/2008 - 10:39 am / quote |
iTzMaTT :
Awesome.
I'm strong with Finger and Eye.
Weak on Ear.

POSTED: 07/18/2008 - 11:19 am / quote |
sweetbeans2 :
very good article, give yourself a pat on the back.

i never looked at memorization that way and now that i do, i can now play songs way better.

Ear memorization was the hardest for me to work on

POSTED: 07/28/2008 - 10:59 pm / quote |
GHOST.HOST :
voidSkipper wrote:

What if you play instrumental? >.> Mogwai ftw.

thats what i was thinking about when i heard "every guitarist wants to sing" I play instruental also

POSTED: 08/03/2008 - 06:19 am / quote |
corrda00 :
I like what you are saying bout eye memory good job.
POSTED: 08/04/2008 - 09:45 pm / quote |
pretaanluxis :
Eye Memory doesn't make sense to me. I don't know anyone who remembers all the notes or pictures the sheet/tab when playing a line.
POSTED: 08/05/2008 - 12:42 am / quote |
SiLenT366 :
I've never really learned anything without memorizing it. I don't feel I've learned it if i have to have music in front of me...
POSTED: 08/07/2008 - 01:39 am / quote |
leftinflinflon :
mistertomo123: uhm...I think this article has a place and particularly early in the process of learning something. Like learning a new lick or chord progression. The process of putting this new information in your "hard drive" can be a challenge. I relate this artilce to making you brain/fingers do something different. What is the most econimcal way fo doing this in terms of time. Are you a visual learner or strictly by ear. So I found the article very helpful in terms of saving time. Given I am a part timer, I don't have much time to sit and do it the slow way if you know what I mean. If it saves time, I like it.
POSTED: 08/07/2008 - 03:43 pm / quote |
lilyth :
As to the comment, "Woah, first" I took the comment as meaning...Wow, This is the first I've heard of this...cool. Maybe?
I totally agree with these three "memories". I've been going at it for 30 years, from rolling stones to Satch and I started seeing that I understood this stuff when the other guitarist always seemed to be jumping as if his butt was on fire, to the next note. I soon realized, he wasn't thinking of the next note. I highly recommend this lesson and suggest that others pick up the
shape
concept suggeted above...as well. A comment was made that people couldn't sing sweeps,,, I say nor can they sing the note at the 24 fret on the .09 e string... but the concept still works. And further, one can sing a replicant of a chord or sweep that will sufice for this technique. Thanks

POSTED: 08/11/2008 - 01:52 am / quote |
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