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The Art Of Pre-Composition. Part 2

author: Kole* date: 05/20/2007 category: general music
rating: 7.9 / votes: 22 
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 02:12 pm
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Ontropium :
Thank you.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 08:37 am / quote |
B-MAC :
Nice article, cool
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 08:40 am / quote |
Kurt_Morrelo :
Wow. This was definitly something different. Thanks for this, I don't know if It's ever going to be truly useful, but I'm like just toying with it. Thanks again, this was cool.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 09:55 am / quote |
Kurt_Morrelo :
Wow. This was definitly something different. Thanks for this, I don't know if It's ever going to be truly useful, but I'm liking just toying with it. Thanks again, this was cool.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 09:55 am / quote |
clwy87 :
thanks for the cool article!
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 10:05 am / quote |
skagitup :
waste of time
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 11:53 am / quote |
Ibanezax372 :
That whole thing in the end just proves how full of yourself you are.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 01:05 pm / quote |
frankv :
Thanks, I'll give composing a try once when I'm bored with verse chorus song-structures .
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 01:07 pm / quote |
I_love_sandbags :
Hey Kyle,

Good article man, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. I give it a 10.

POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 01:49 pm / quote |
sionsion :
Different perspective for sure.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 06:45 pm / quote |
Szandred :
Cool Article.
POSTED: 05/20/2007 - 10:33 pm / quote |
kaptink :
Pretty cool.
POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 07:24 am / quote |
Xeus :
sionsion wrote:

Different perspective for sure.


yea, i like it

POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 09:24 am / quote |
rik23 :
mmm interesting but music comes from the heart not a text book. Good t ponder over though
POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 09:39 am / quote |
dcamp67 :
Good article, unique point of veiw.
POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 01:26 pm / quote |
maddd0g :
Ibanezax372 wrote:

That whole thing in the end just proves how full of yourself you are.


???

Those were simply credentials, and a little advertising to make this article worth his time as well as yours, and to somewhat verify that he knows what he's talking about.

POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 02:33 pm / quote |
Kole* :
Thanks for reading everyone, I'm glad most of you like it or atleast appreciate it...I'm very happy to share.

Also, thank you maddd0g for clearing up the misconception that I'm full of myself...as you stated, those are just credentials I list.

Thanks again and feel free to ask me any questions or request other topics you would like me to write articles on.

Peace.

POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 09:20 pm / quote |
bad_obsession99 :
Nice article dude, very well written. The examples were very helpful too. Thanks
POSTED: 05/21/2007 - 10:39 pm / quote |
whynotmelvin :
Very naive way to look at composition. Composition shouldn't be a step by step sort of thing. It's too formulaic and relying traditions that are outdated.

There are many other techniques and compositional things you can do to signify an increase or decrease in the line that expresses “Happiness


I mean...really??

POSTED: 05/22/2007 - 01:19 pm / quote |
CrossBack7 :
Stop bashing him. At least he put in the time to try to help some of us.

Good job.

POSTED: 05/23/2007 - 10:15 am / quote |
tony d :
Ibanezax372 wrote:

That whole thing in the end just proves how full of yourself you are.


dude i dont see your contribution so shut the **** up. i think its because you dont know what the hell hes on about that your critisizing him.

CrossBack7 :
Stop bashing him. At least he put in the time to try to help some of us.

Good job.


i know what you mean.

POSTED: 05/24/2007 - 08:08 am / quote |
tmd9314 :
Wow! Thanks for helping its really going to help me write my songs.
POSTED: 05/24/2007 - 03:49 pm / quote |
muse-ik :
Good article, but I was just wondering... aren't alot of songs also based on sadness? and minor keys instead of major happy sounding ones? Maybe it's just your style of music, but I find that sad compositions are more touching and powerful.
POSTED: 05/24/2007 - 09:07 pm / quote |
Kole* :
Glad I could help Tmd9314 and bad_obsession99.

Also, thanks tony d and CrossBack27 for understanding my intentions and standing up for the article.

To answer your question muse-ik. Absolutely, many songs are based on tons of different emotions like sadness, anger, etc. Pre-Composition works just as well for those emotions, I just picked hapiness as one example. Hope this helps.


POSTED: 05/24/2007 - 11:31 pm / quote |
silent caution :
its different from what i usually do, but whenever i see or hear something different/new i try to see if i can work wit it...maybe next time i cant think of anything to write i'll try this
POSTED: 05/27/2007 - 02:54 pm / quote |
webby1990 :
this didn't appeal to me at all, i thought it was stupid, to be honest...
POSTED: 05/28/2007 - 10:41 am / quote |
zhille :
Different method, I must say it's interesting.

But when I compose something I rely on the spontaneous...how can you just go: Hey, I will be extra happy from 2:56 to 3:21...I just can't do it, but it is a good thing to try.

He should have spent more time explaining emotion representations. Naah... just listen to Beethoven, Vivaldi, Mahler or Rimsky Korsakov that can show you a lot of emotion representation techniques.

Nice contribution.

POSTED: 05/29/2007 - 09:48 pm / quote |
georgeryle :
To the people criticising the article and/or the author- throughout the article the author emphasises the point that this is only ONE method to help compostion. the fact is that if you are a remotely creative person or talented musician you have the option of using this to aid the contruction your your piece. Furthermore to people who seem to discredit Ordered or "formulaeic" approaches to composition you are the naive ones as all "good" music incorperates structure-it is ALWAYS integral to the piece. this structure may not be intened but it is always there. even serialism-aimed to be the opposite of any "classical" music- no harmony, melody or rythm relies purely on construction. if you disagree ask yourself why you are reading this article as you clearly think yourselves highly experianced composers! i myself am always open to new concepts- all music requires structure-what makes someone exceptional is their inspiration and ability to create origional music within a structure that aids this. by being open to all concepts a musician can absorb ideas they are interested in and begin to develop individuality as a composer.
apologies or this very long rant but i find ignorant people who criticise matters beyond their understanding exasperating! i wonder what these people do with their instruments and if they find this knowledge beyond their reach- i understand the merits of this article and i am sixteen.
thanks to the author.

POSTED: 06/12/2007 - 04:20 am / quote |
ibanez_gtrs :
But when I compose something I rely on the spontaneous...how can you just go: Hey, I will be extra happy from 2:56 to 3:21...I just can't do it, but it is a good thing to try.


I don't think he meant it like that. Have you ever written an essay or a paper... and used an outline? Probably..or maybe not... anyways.. it makes it alot easier to get your point across easier for papers... I'm pretty sure thats how this is supposed to work for writing songs.. makes it easier to get your emotions through to the listeners (we all know how to make our voices sound happy or sad or angry or whatever.. so why not learn to make our instruments do that)

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 07:28 pm / quote |
thedarkestred :
intresting.... i like it
POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 12:02 am / quote |
guitaringsailor :
georgeryle wrote:

To the people criticising the article and/or the author- throughout the article the author emphasises the point that this is only ONE method to help compostion. the fact is that if you are a remotely creative person or talented musician you have the option of using this to aid the contruction your your piece. Furthermore to people who seem to discredit Ordered or "formulaeic" approaches to composition you are the naive ones as all "good" music incorperates structure-it is ALWAYS integral to the piece. this structure may not be intened but it is always there. even serialism-aimed to be the opposite of any "classical" music- no harmony, melody or rythm relies purely on construction. if you disagree ask yourself why you are reading this article as you clearly think yourselves highly experianced composers! i myself am always open to new concepts- all music requires structure-what makes someone exceptional is their inspiration and ability to create origional music within a structure that aids this. by being open to all concepts a musician can absorb ideas they are interested in and begin to develop individuality as a composer.
apologies or this very long rant but i find ignorant people who criticise matters beyond their understanding exasperating! i wonder what these people do with their instruments and if they find this knowledge beyond their reach- i understand the merits of this article and i am sixteen.
thanks to the author.


I just have to say that you're so right! I would have written something like it but you did for me, thanks!

Kole, Great article keep it coming!

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 09:49 am / quote |
Masterbeefy :
webby1990 wrote:

this didn't appeal to me at all, i thought it was stupid, to be honest...


Do better and I MIGHT listen to you. until then i view you as nothing but a third rate piece of crap attempt at a guitarist who could probably only crap out a C chord with great effort.

The fact that Kole is actually willing to take the time to share his experience with us is admirable, and all you people putting him and his work down should really get a life.

Keep the articles coming Kole!

POSTED: 09/01/2008 - 07:38 am / quote |
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