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The Crusade. Part 6: Diatonic Seventh Chords

author: JoshUrban date: 12/20/2007 category: general music
rating: 9.5 / votes: 32 
POSTED: 12/20/2007 - 10:53 am
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 comments posted
Lord Of Donkeys :
1st! nice job, these articles have helped me alot.
POSTED: 12/20/2007 - 12:05 pm / quote |
kera92 :
very nice!!!
POSTED: 12/20/2007 - 12:54 pm / quote |
MustangMan311 :
I'm a bassist, so I don't really use chord construction as strongly as a guitarist, but these lessons are extremely good, and I love reading them. Can't wait for the next one!
POSTED: 12/20/2007 - 05:16 pm / quote |
JoshUrban :
MustangMan311 wrote:

I'm a bassist, so I don't really use chord construction as strongly as a guitarist, but these lessons are extremely good, and I love reading them. Can't wait for the next one!


MustangMan,

Anything that helps you understand the warped world of guitarists will benefit you when you've gotta deal with the crazy musicians they are!

But on a serious NOTE (pun intended!) you could certainly use these for building arpeggios in your bass lines, and developing a nice walking line. I know a jazz bass player who has such an incredible command and understanding of chords that it puts most guitarists to shame. I wonder how he does it!

Rock on!

POSTED: 12/20/2007 - 06:12 pm / quote |
GUITARNOVICE420 :
.....it looks well thought out.....but i dont understand the words that are coming out of your mouth
POSTED: 12/21/2007 - 12:17 pm / quote |
MustangMan311 :
JoshUrban wrote:

MustangMan311 wrote:

I'm a bassist, so I don't really use chord construction as strongly as a guitarist, but these lessons are extremely good, and I love reading them. Can't wait for the next one!

MustangMan,

Anything that helps you understand the warped world of guitarists will benefit you when you've gotta deal with the crazy musicians they are!

But on a serious NOTE (pun intended!) you could certainly use these for building arpeggios in your bass lines, and developing a nice walking line. I know a jazz bass player who has such an incredible command and understanding of chords that it puts most guitarists to shame. I wonder how he does it!

Rock on!
Oh, I know, I just don't use them as much! Keep up the great work, man. These lessons are fantastic and I know they help some of the less theory oriented members of UG.

POSTED: 12/21/2007 - 09:19 pm / quote |
captainjackass :
Good lesson! I always wondered what the point of using M3, m3 stuff over the circle of fiths was until now. Still confused about the different 7s, and how they would be any different from each other, but Ill mess around with em
POSTED: 12/24/2007 - 12:59 am / quote |
Scorge :
sometimes i really wonder if someone really needs to be taught what a diatonic 7th chord is. i think the best way come up with a cool chord is to pick a bunch of notes in a scale(or no scale whatsoever) that you can finger and see if it sounds cool. i like to come up with my own chords because it's kind of adventurous and, (if you find something that sounds awesome) it's like finding an uncharted island. something noone's ever found before. there's a huge satisfaction there that should really be explored. this is especially true in different tunings.
POSTED: 12/25/2007 - 02:49 am / quote |
nickwentinsane :
Scorge wrote:

sometimes i really wonder if someone really needs to be taught what a diatonic 7th chord is. i think the best way come up with a cool chord is to pick a bunch of notes in a scale(or no scale whatsoever) that you can finger and see if it sounds cool. i like to come up with my own chords because it's kind of adventurous and, (if you find something that sounds awesome) it's like finding an uncharted island. something noone's ever found before. there's a huge satisfaction there that should really be explored. this is especially true in different tunings.


While I can certainly appreciate your oppinion, and in no one mean to nock what your saying...stuff like this really helps me. See I've olny been playing for about a year, and the olny thing that has helped me advance as far as I have within a year is theory. Certainly some shit just sounds good and needs no explanation for why, but this helps so much in being able to write creatively, without hitting rode blocks and wondering where in the hell the awesome sounding chord is going to go next. Without knowing where to resolve something a dissonant chord, or an over joyous sounding augmented sound goofy, knaw mean?

POSTED: 12/26/2007 - 10:36 pm / quote |
mrbiscuits315 :
Scorge wrote:

sometimes i really wonder if someone really needs to be taught what a diatonic 7th chord is. i think the best way come up with a cool chord is to pick a bunch of notes in a scale(or no scale whatsoever) that you can finger and see if it sounds cool. i like to come up with my own chords because it's kind of adventurous and, (if you find something that sounds awesome) it's like finding an uncharted island. something noone's ever found before. there's a huge satisfaction there that should really be explored. this is especially true in different tunings.
Im sure the chord you "disocovered" has some name to it. And this stuff is important considering how often 7th chords are used, they are the most common chord next power chords or triads. Sooo unless you wanna be a tab monkey for the rest of your life then this is very important.

POSTED: 12/27/2007 - 02:57 pm / quote |
GuitarFreak1387 :
good job. straight and to the point without all the confuseing bullshit.

i already knew the theory behind this and your past lessons, but i am looking forword to your next one as that i have problems with song keys.

POSTED: 01/05/2008 - 11:46 pm / quote |
led,rainsong :
nice
this is really helping me out with my music theory
this makes me wanna major in music theory in college


POSTED: 01/07/2008 - 01:46 pm / quote |
StenTheAwesome :
These are some real great lessons, I love how you explain everything. Do you think there is a chance you could do lessons on modes (and also onother scales like melodic minor?) and how to really use them so they don't sound like just a major scale? Also, I know modes are used to add a different flavor and kind of really depend on the rhythm in order to not sound like a major, but could you write a lesson on composing stuff that kind of best suits a particular mode like a Lydian composition or something?)Thanks and keep em' coming!
POSTED: 01/07/2008 - 11:55 pm / quote |
difitzio :
Josh you are doing a great job man
It sure is swell that your giving us this stuff for free.... making me discover so much more and be so much more creative with my playing
Keep em coming bru

POSTED: 01/08/2008 - 03:41 pm / quote |
led,rainsong :
hold on so i just confused myself

so a minor 7 (b5) has a flat 3,5 and 7!?!?!
wont that make it kinda like FULL diminshed chord because the third and fifth are flat?

also if a minor 7 (b5) has a flat 3 5 and 7 and is also called a half diminshed 7 chord what is a full diminished 7 chord?

POSTED: 01/09/2008 - 01:26 pm / quote |
tubab0y :
It's not full diminished, full diminished chords have a double-flat seventh. In order to get a diminished, just stack minor third intervals.

Bb (m3) Db (m3) E (m3) G

So there are really only three diminished scales, as they repeat infinitely, just stacking minor thirds.

POSTED: 01/09/2008 - 04:26 pm / quote |
Dimebag Dave :
Still waiting for the advanced stuff...I'll check in after a few more lessons.
POSTED: 01/11/2008 - 12:11 am / quote |
led,rainsong :
i see
so a full diminished has a double flat 7th
interesting...
it's fun making chords, i try explaining this to my firends but they refuse to listen, they'd rather just look in a book for the chord shape

POSTED: 01/11/2008 - 08:57 am / quote |
pyo :
u rock , thank u!
POSTED: 01/11/2008 - 10:52 am / quote |
food1010 :
JoshUrban wrote:

MustangMan311 wrote:

I'm a bassist, so I don't really use chord construction as strongly as a guitarist, but these lessons are extremely good, and I love reading them. Can't wait for the next one!


MustangMan,

Anything that helps you understand the warped world of guitarists will benefit you when you've gotta deal with the crazy musicians they are!

But on a serious NOTE (pun intended!) you could certainly use these for building arpeggios in your bass lines, and developing a nice walking line. I know a jazz bass player who has such an incredible command and understanding of chords that it puts most guitarists to shame. I wonder how he does it!

Rock on!
Yeah understanding of chords is a great aid to bass playing. At least it has been for me.

POSTED: 01/11/2008 - 09:08 pm / quote |
blazingchaz :
Josh, you rock man!
POSTED: 01/12/2008 - 12:09 am / quote |
mgrowe :
Josh

Cool stuff mate, I used to make it up as I went but the theory opens up a whole new way of doing things and speeds up the learning process

Well Done mate

POSTED: 01/14/2008 - 12:32 pm / quote |
maybe_I_am :
cool man. Though I already know this stuff, you explained really well so someone who doesn't know it can understand. Keep it up.
POSTED: 01/16/2008 - 08:39 pm / quote |
silentchris 154 :
wow!!! That was a really good article. I thought I was in my algebra class for a second there.
POSTED: 01/19/2008 - 02:19 am / quote |
iruka2998 :
wish i read this when i started my theory, woulda learned faster.

good column man

POSTED: 01/19/2008 - 08:12 am / quote |
jpgilbert701 :
Im still having touble when it comes to intervals and building 7th chords.
Is this right?

A maj is A C# E
and
A maj7 would be A C# E G#?

and what is the difference between like G maj7 and G7?

POSTED: 01/19/2008 - 10:58 am / quote |
Starforsaken :
A C# E G# is indeed A maj7.

G maj7 would be: G B D F#
G7 (Dominant): G B D F

Note the lowered 7th

POSTED: 01/19/2008 - 02:55 pm / quote |
earlearl :
Cheers man






























Ha Ha H

POSTED: 02/01/2008 - 09:39 pm / quote |
\m/3741 :
I love these theory lessions, but.. one thing I cannot understand, for triads you showed how to play them on guitar in the intervall section, like if we have a Cmaj it would be C,E,G which leaves: 8th fret on 6th string, 7th fret on 5th string and finally 5th fret on 4th string. okay I can reach them.. but if you increase it to a Cmaj7 which is C,E,G,B. the strings for the 3 first notes are easy, but how the heck am I gunna reach the B note eh? it lays on 3rd fret 3rd string :S serious stretching there, or is there an easier way to play the chord? I would really like to have an answer, on piano there's no match to play it though..
POSTED: 02/02/2008 - 07:56 am / quote |
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POSTED: 02/02/2008 - 03:18 pm / quote |
Starforsaken :
\m/3741 wrote:

I love these theory lessions, but.. one thing I cannot understand, for triads you showed how to play them on guitar in the intervall section, like if we have a Cmaj it would be C,E,G which leaves: 8th fret on 6th string, 7th fret on 5th string and finally 5th fret on 4th string. okay I can reach them.. but if you increase it to a Cmaj7 which is C,E,G,B. the strings for the 3 first notes are easy, but how the heck am I gunna reach the B note eh? it lays on 3rd fret 3rd string :S serious stretching there, or is there an easier way to play the chord? I would really like to have an answer, on piano there's no match to play it though..


Move your notes up a string. For C use 3rd fret 5th string, E will be on the 2nd fret 4th string, and G is simply the open 3rd string. Also the frist fret on the 2nd string is C; you can then play the last string open for an additional E. So...

e 0 E
B 1 C
G 0 G
D 2 E
A 3 C
E X -

For the major 7th version, add the B note by opening up the 2nd string. Thus...

e 0 E
B 0 B
G 0 G
D 2 E
A 3 C
E X -

POSTED: 02/06/2008 - 03:33 am / quote |
grille :
that was one of you none good ones i belive
POSTED: 02/29/2008 - 05:47 pm / quote |
grille :
grille wrote:

that was one of you none good ones i belive


no it wasent! ( sry) xD

POSTED: 03/12/2008 - 01:30 pm / quote |
thefoldarsoldar :
" m3 + m3 + M3 = minor 5 (b5)"

should this part of the column (listing the 4 7th chords) read

"m3+m3+M3 = minor 7 (b5)" ??

POSTED: 04/25/2008 - 06:46 pm / quote |
lindsayward :
Doing well. If you get a chance to edit this, then you could correct the typo under "The Formulas" where it says:
m3 + m3 + M3 = minor 5 (b5)
I believe this should be
m3 + m3 + M3 = minor 7 (b5)

POSTED: 04/29/2008 - 01:19 am / quote |
familybucket :
thanks for that. These lessons are really enlightening me!
POSTED: 03/02/2009 - 11:27 am / quote |
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