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The Minor 2nd

author: Kole* date: 11/21/2008 category: general music
rating: 7.9 / votes: 20 
POSTED: 11/21/2008 - 06:17 am
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 comments posted
Phe4rTheGod :
Good article...the minor 2nd tends to get a lot of abuse in newer metal bands...sadly there aren't any good execution of it...your examples were good...
POSTED: 11/21/2008 - 08:16 am / quote |
AfoHot :
This was very good, thumbs up
POSTED: 11/21/2008 - 04:42 pm / quote |
Blas3 :
it's a nice article, and good stuff, although I think it's a bit too subjective. But I don't mean no offense
POSTED: 11/22/2008 - 06:48 pm / quote |
Andy_Mclaughlan :
Nice article Kole!
POSTED: 11/24/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
SylvaShredder :
Blas3 wrote:

it's a nice article, and good stuff, although I think it's a bit too subjective. But I don't mean no offense


Agreed. What you think is "phenomenal", others may think sounds "sh!tty" We as musicians should know how to use dissonance to our advantage.

POSTED: 11/27/2008 - 11:48 am / quote |
rusty-knives :
Oof. I like that C# minor 9. Sounds good with other 7 Chords. :]
POSTED: 11/27/2008 - 05:08 pm / quote |
(b)ass :
Phe4rTheGod :
Good article...the minor 2nd tends to get a lot of abuse in newer metal bands...sadly there aren't any good execution of it...your examples were good...


+1

POSTED: 11/27/2008 - 08:49 pm / quote |
coffeeguy9 :
I'm kind of disappointed you only used chords with minor 2nds between already established scale degrees. I'd have liked to see something with a minor 2nd interval upward from the root, like a b9 chord. Also, you didn't mention the most common m2 interval, the Maj7 chord. Basically I didn't see a good representation of all different possibilities.

What I DID like though, is that you made people realize that triads aren't the only chords out there. Modern music sounds incredibly bland harmonically because everything has become root position triads in the key with no counterpoint in the bass. Bands today seem to rely on effects and gimmicks and senseless dissonance to make their "sound".

POSTED: 11/27/2008 - 11:34 pm / quote |
itsjustcheeze :
Love the inclusion of a minor/major 7th chord. One of my favs. However, a 7th chord doesn't have a minor 2nd unless it is voiced oddly.

Still, I got what you are saying, and I hope people use the interval in chords rather than just playing it out of context. Maybe throw in a lesson on the Neopolitan 6th?

POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 12:08 am / quote |
Hobo279 :
the chord in the first example actually has a minor 7th interval in it as well, replacing the 5th. just stating a fact, that's not a straight minor 9 chord. I've always treated true minor 9 chords as elements in minor progressions that add a somewhat "creepy, extra-emotional punch" to the whole thing. they are fantastic when used in the right situation, gotta admit. You can find hundreds of examples of guitarists actually abusing the 9th during the end of their solos, should they be in a minor key. it's a very powerful, valuable piece of theory to have, the 9th...
POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 12:08 am / quote |
Darkkon :
coffeeguy9 wrote:

I'm kind of disappointed you only used chords with minor 2nds between already established scale degrees. I'd have liked to see something with a minor 2nd interval upward from the root, like a b9 chord. Also, you didn't mention the most common m2 interval, the Maj7 chord. Basically I didn't see a good representation of all different possibilities.

What I DID like though, is that you made people realize that triads aren't the only chords out there. Modern music sounds incredibly bland harmonically because everything has become root position triads in the key with no counterpoint in the bass. Bands today seem to rely on effects and gimmicks and senseless dissonance to make their "sound".


wow,,, you just made me realize a lot... thank you.

nice article.

POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 01:16 am / quote |
Kole* :
Hey everyone, thanks for reading and I'm glad you all have enjoyed it and found the information useful!

coffeeguy9 wrote:

I'm kind of disappointed you only used chords with minor 2nds between already established scale degrees. I'd have liked to see something with a minor 2nd interval upward from the root, like a b9 chord. Also, you didn't mention the most common m2 interval, the Maj7 chord. Basically I didn't see a good representation of all different possibilities.


True, I could have listed many more possibilities, but this article would be much longer than it currently is. I only wanted to introduce the idea and open some doors in this article. However I may now write an article in the near future where I explore these possibilities and go further in depth.

So thanks for your feedback

-Kole

POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 04:15 am / quote |
Killing Joke :
Some good stuff to think about. Thanks
POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 09:33 am / quote |
ThePinkFloydian :
Would I be correct in saying that the descent of the chorus of Something by The Beatles is in minor 2nds? (I have absolutely no formal music theory knowledge, all by ear for me)
POSTED: 11/28/2008 - 12:25 pm / quote |
mdawg24 :
He has also studied with guitar virtuoso, Tom Hess


The minute I saw the links in the middle, i thought it was Tom Hess. This explains it.
It is a pretty awesome sounding chord though.

POSTED: 12/01/2008 - 10:38 am / quote |
mdawg24 :
*interval
POSTED: 12/01/2008 - 10:39 am / quote |
vIsIbleNoIsE :
think opeth!
POSTED: 12/01/2008 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Blue Motion :
ThePinkFloydian wrote:

Would I be correct in saying that the descent of the chorus of Something by The Beatles is in minor 2nds? (I have absolutely no formal music theory knowledge, all by ear for me)


yeah, Something starts with a C major, followed by a Cmaj7, and a C7. (I believe it's C chords, i may be wrong, but the progression is the same)

POSTED: 12/01/2008 - 10:24 pm / quote |
Donswald :
Minor seconds aren't uncommon at all- there are two within the natural minor scale, and three within the harmonic minor scale, as well as two within the mixolydian scale, the major scale, and every scale but the whole tone scale.
POSTED: 12/02/2008 - 12:31 pm / quote |
mrguitardo :
itsjustcheeze wrote:

Love the inclusion of a minor/major 7th chord. One of my favs. However, a 7th chord doesn't have a minor 2nd unless it is voiced oddly.

Still, I got what you are saying, and I hope people use the interval in chords rather than just playing it out of context. Maybe throw in a lesson on the Neopolitan 6th?


Awh yes...The Neopolitan chord. That would be a good column. Although I agree that this column did not give enough details of the m2, this column in the least showed the basic idea. There should be more of this to give UG reader's more music knowledge that is normally only picked up in school. Neopolitan is not just an ice cream, it is a very cool musical device.

POSTED: 12/03/2008 - 07:51 am / quote |
CaRveItiNbass :
the beginning of fade to black by metallica has a minor 2nd. play the first three notes and youll see.
POSTED: 12/04/2008 - 11:56 am / quote |
Aziraphale :
coffeeguy9 wrote:

I'm kind of disappointed you only used chords with minor 2nds between already established scale degrees. I'd have liked to see something with a minor 2nd interval upward from the root, like a b9 chord. Also, you didn't mention the most common m2 interval, the Maj7 chord. Basically I didn't see a good representation of all different possibilities.

What I DID like though, is that you made people realize that triads aren't the only chords out there. Modern music sounds incredibly bland harmonically because everything has become root position triads in the key with no counterpoint in the bass. Bands today seem to rely on effects and gimmicks and senseless dissonance to make their "sound".


Awesome post, take a bow my friend! After hearing Bazra for the first time I've pretty much never played another triad chord... there's always a 7, 9, 13 or whatever lurking in everything I play these days, and the old jazzbos really knew what they were doing cause it sure gets people dancing...

POSTED: 12/05/2008 - 05:09 pm / quote |
Paul Tauterouff :
Definitely an ineresting idea. I generally think in terms of triads and don't do a whole lot with extended chords. This has me thinking!
POSTED: 12/06/2008 - 02:02 pm / quote |
Karlboy :
The minor 2nd is definitely a hard interval to use nicely, as is a Major 7th. Even though they're just inversions of each other. When you find where to put them in your music, it can sound great. Another interval like that (I find, at least) is the augmented 4th/diminished 5th. The half-octave thing is odd sounding, but can be used very well. Prime examples are blues players. However, a lot of newer metal and such over-uses all four of those intervals and many of those artists don't even put them in spots where they sound great. I know it's all subjective, as others have said, but that's my opinion at least.
POSTED: 12/06/2008 - 11:05 pm / quote |
Gundam pilota09 :
thought you could've included the classic hendrixian E7#9 chord with the minor second between the third and the ninth (G# and Fx or G)
POSTED: 12/06/2008 - 11:49 pm / quote |
Mr. B :
The first thing i think of when i hear minor second is the "jaws" theme.
POSTED: 12/08/2008 - 10:01 pm / quote |
Richard Jones :
That sure is a pretty chord. Try the maj7 of the fourth chord in the scale as an alternative to the relative minor (6th) chord e.g. Cmaj7 for Em.
POSTED: 12/09/2008 - 12:12 am / quote |
Maitinin :
Well, honestly I'm a little disappointed with this article. You sort of line up to a huge revelation of the minor 2nd interval, but you really only end up with showing one single chord example, a chit-chat about how subjective music is interpret and an example of one walking note, an auditory illusion, which is what? A half example?
Sorry, I expected more content, simple as that is. I'm sitting back with the feeling: Did I learn something here?

I had hoped for some suggestions and theory about how you can work with chromaticism (minor 2nd intervals) or how you could integrate the minor 2nd of a scale into your solo playing. By the way, the title could also be a headline for the minor 2nd of a scale, it's a pretty open title you chosen.

POSTED: 12/09/2008 - 06:07 pm / quote |
crjh :
I didn't know you could copyright chords... LOL.
POSTED: 12/12/2008 - 07:15 pm / quote |
CapnKickass :
I like the sus4 and minor 9th chords, they is coolz.
POSTED: 12/13/2008 - 06:54 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
Donswald wrote:

Minor seconds aren't uncommon at all- there are two within the natural minor scale, and three within the harmonic minor scale, as well as two within the mixolydian scale, the major scale, and every scale but the whole tone scale.


There are obviously going to be m2's in the modes of the major scale.

POSTED: 12/14/2008 - 11:32 pm / quote |
CanCan :
Just here to remind that m2 =/= M7.
POSTED: 12/15/2008 - 06:55 pm / quote |
MaXiMuse :
Hmm, I would say the the M2 interval between the 5th and #5th is nice in a solo or stuff. And it nice in a chord. But M2 from the root note is for metal and dissonant stuff I think...
POSTED: 12/16/2008 - 11:18 am / quote |
Lotsagrapes :
Cool story bro.
POSTED: 02/12/2009 - 11:09 pm / quote |
mzhang13 :
That C#m9 is a beautiful chord.
I should also mention, the first thing i think of when I hear minor second is Fur Elise (Beethoven). C'mon, what a great piece.

POSTED: 04/10/2009 - 08:15 pm / quote |
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