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The Theory Of Appreciative Comparison. Part 1

author: Kole* date: 07/11/2007 category: general music
rating: 8.4 / votes: 31 
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 10:14 am
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 comments posted
hippyguitardude :
1st... sounds intruiging... i'll have to read the next one
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 10:56 am / quote |
gilmour-page :
a nice intro to different elements of music
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 10:58 am / quote |
imdwalrus :
Not that great
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 11:45 am / quote |
z4twenny :
i'll wait till part 2 before i judge fully, so far i don't like it :P not that it's bad but sounds a bit restricting and to me at least music should be freeing. but again, i'll wait till the next article.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 11:48 am / quote |
axe_2_grind :
...we must understand the basic elements of music and compare they’re extremes...


Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??

"They're" is the conjunction of "they are".
He was supposed to use "their" if I am to understand his meaning correctly.

Anyway, english lesson over. I'm just bitchin' cause I see this kind of thing on the forums all the time, I just don't expect it in an article.

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 12:21 pm / quote |
Prince Albert :
Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??


I'm pretty sure it's gone down the proverbial drain.
The article wasn't that great by the way.

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 02:27 pm / quote |
BoF :
i'll keep an eye out for part 2
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 03:20 pm / quote |
Super Llama :
unless part 2 actually has something to it this artice sucks.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 03:40 pm / quote |
anthrax233 :
If only everyone would understand music's "meaning" instead of thinking about it in bits and pieces.
It just breaks my heart thinking about kids sitting there writting music and saying THIS SONG WILL GO:
INTRO, VERSE, CHORUS, VERSE, CHORUS, BRIDGE, SOLO, CHORUS.
mainstream music will destroy all creativity in music

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 04:01 pm / quote |
SleepyandHollow :
Alternatively, theory of appreciative comparison could just mean getting a really crappy band to play before you in a gig
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 04:32 pm / quote |
aeolian :
You've caught my interest. I'm excited to see where you take this.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 04:56 pm / quote |
J.A.M :
SleepyandHollow wrote:

Alternatively, theory of appreciative comparison could just mean getting a really crappy band to play before you in a gig

LOL, you're right there!

Good lesson, but this stuff isn't really new to me; since I heard Metallica's One, I've recognized quiet stuff makes louder stuff louder, and slower stuff makes slower stuff slower.

I employed this technique in my art exam to a large extent; I talked about how the inclusion of dark colours would make some parts brighter because of comparison to the darker tones the human eye makes.

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 04:58 pm / quote |
Mike_Philippov :
Nice one Kole! Can't wait for part 2.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 05:23 pm / quote |
crewdanny :
Very nice column!! A very thoughtful effort, and I look forward to the next one. On a site where the currently-highest rated columns are on on-stage antics and sweep-picking, this column is refreshing. Keep up the good work, see you next time!!!!
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 06:34 pm / quote |
guitarNbass :
lovin' the article.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 08:36 pm / quote |
clint86 :
I like the article but I don't think the greatest poets of the past 50 years had this mind set. I'm sure they wrote their best stuff when they "just wrote" and just let go using a pencil and paper.
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 09:09 pm / quote |
DougC84 :
slower stuff makes slower stuff slower


brilliant.

POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 10:25 pm / quote |
Dave Cardwell :
Interesting article. Looking forward to the next...
POSTED: 07/11/2007 - 11:54 pm / quote |
Cycon :
J.A.M wrote:

SleepyandHollow wrote:

Alternatively, theory of appreciative comparison could just mean getting a really crappy band to play before you in a gig
LOL, you're right there!

Good lesson, but this stuff isn't really new to me; since I heard Metallica's One, I've recognized quiet stuff makes louder stuff louder, and slower stuff makes slower stuff slower.

I employed this technique in my art exam to a large extent; I talked about how the inclusion of dark colours would make some parts brighter because of comparison to the darker tones the human eye makes.


No shit sherlock! How tough was that for you to figure that out?

The article is quite good, I'm looking forward to the second part.

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 05:26 am / quote |
Dannystrumpop :
slower stuff makes slower stuff slower.


Wow, say that with your mouth full of jacob's crackers.

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 07:22 am / quote |
guitaringsailor :
Good article you've definatly got a hold of what music is all about, there's allot of people here that doesn't get it and for all of you, sit down listen to some songs and try to feel the emotions, then you will probably evolve quite a lot musicaly.

Great article i'll read the rest!

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 09:32 am / quote |
ClickClick :
god damn people the grammar nazi fad was over 3 years ago. Anyways very nice article, looking forward to the second part
POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 01:36 pm / quote |
Kole* :
Thanks to everyone for reading part 1. I'm glad to see that many of you are looking forward to part 2 of this series and I can guarantee that it will be worth the wait!

Take care and if any of you have questions feel free to e-mail me at Kole@KoleMusician.com; I always reply.

-Kole

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 04:20 pm / quote |
Edde :
anthrax233 wrote:
...mainstream music will destroy all creativity in music


I take it you made a typo and actually meant HAS destroyed rather than WILL. :/

POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 11:52 pm / quote |
strong_wizard :
and here I try and apply it to jazz to appreciate it... didn't work.
POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 11:59 pm / quote |
punkrocklove999 :
Prince Albert wrote:

Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??

are you from saskatchewan


I'm pretty sure it's gone down the proverbial drain.
The article wasn't that great by the way.

POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 12:47 am / quote |
Angel Zamora :
Nice article!!!
POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 06:24 am / quote |
Shor-T Zero :
The article was really good. A lot of it is basic knowledge, but I wouldn't let these people that say this article sucks deter you, considering they may not understand what you are talking about. It's acceptable too, since they're barely getting past 8th grade. But can't blame them. Great article here, and I like how you are explaining these subtle effects in music...still, music is "just there" rather than it ever being explained. Good lesson and article, I like it.
POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 01:21 pm / quote |
saad_nirvana :
err its a whole lot of useless crap i feel...


when a song is to be written,it will be written without the need of ****edup theories and crap..it all depends on the person writing

a song produced out of theory isnt as good sounding or feeling as a song written out by applying yourself,not a theory

POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 04:42 pm / quote |
NosferatuZodd09 :
saad_nirvana wrote:

err its a whole lot of useless crap i feel...


when a song is to be written,it will be written without the need of ****edup theories and crap..it all depends on the person writing

a song produced out of theory isnt as good sounding or feeling as a song written out by applying yourself,not a theory


dunno, Inferi writes their stuff from theory and well say... it pisses all over nirvana's grave :S, somewhat interesting article, ill check out part two i guess :P

POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 05:16 pm / quote |
sharpiemarker :
axe_2_grind :
...we must understand the basic elements of music and compare they’re extremes...


Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??

"They're" is the conjunction of "they are".
He was supposed to use "their" if I am to understand his meaning correctly.

Anyway, english lesson over. I'm just bitchin' cause I see this kind of thing on the forums all the time, I just don't expect it in an article.


I think you're looking for the word contraction. See? Grammar slip-ups happen.

POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 08:55 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
saad_nirvana wrote:

err its a whole lot of useless crap i feel...


when a song is to be written,it will be written without the need of ****edup theories and crap..it all depends on the person writing

a song produced out of theory isnt as good sounding or feeling as a song written out by applying yourself,not a theory


Loving the fact that "nirvana" is in his screenname. I hope everyone else makes the connection.

POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 10:49 pm / quote |
megadethdefying :
Jawshuwa :
saad_nirvana wrote:

err its a whole lot of useless crap i feel...


when a song is to be written,it will be written without the need of ****edup theories and crap..it all depends on the person writing

a song produced out of theory isnt as good sounding or feeling as a song written out by applying yourself,not a theory


Loving the fact that "nirvana" is in his screenname. I hope everyone else makes the connection.



nice...

article...interesting actually - very weird though...i'll wait for part 2

POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 04:38 am / quote |
guitarmanzac :
REALLY good. I want articles like this. Can't wait till part 2
POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 03:03 pm / quote |
yawn :
This introduction is decent enough, though I look forward to the next article. I enjoy your analytical approach to music, and hopefully your future article(s) will draw up some fresh insight (instead of "common sense concepts").
POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 03:24 pm / quote |
SlashRules :
this is waaaaay to technical. i mean its a freakin song. just play your ideas and emotions.
POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 08:31 pm / quote |
5e1v5h0 :
"Where as a person living in California is less likely to fully recognize and appreciate beautiful weather because they are exposed to it constantly."

I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND WE GET SHITTY WHEATHER A LOT

POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 11:48 pm / quote |
wtfisthatadew :
SlashRules wrote:

this is waaaaay to technical. i mean its a freakin song. just play your ideas and emotions.



well, he was just trying to get people to understand that music can be complicated AND still express feelings and emotions. music is poetry. its words and images that mean something when you dig deeper. thats how i look at it

-Adam

POSTED: 07/15/2007 - 03:40 pm / quote |
HavokStrife :
Not that bad, I kinda felt like I was in school while I was reading it...

Just glad it isn't another column about picking...

POSTED: 07/15/2007 - 04:51 pm / quote |
broken fusion! :
hooray more useless info
congratulations

POSTED: 07/15/2007 - 06:05 pm / quote |
spikedemon! :
Interesting stuff. Nice to know, but its hard to take all this too serious when its so drawn out. Yeah music is what your make it, and every part of a song can be some much better/worse from small changes in your composition and overall performance.
POSTED: 07/16/2007 - 01:37 am / quote |
mrbiscuits315 :
I enjoyed it.
POSTED: 07/16/2007 - 03:24 pm / quote |
Wildnight :
Yeah, nice, but most of the other guys who write stuff like this say the same... so this article sounds more like an expansion than some new stuff
POSTED: 07/17/2007 - 06:06 am / quote |
Stampede :
hippyguitardude wrote:

1st... sounds intruiging... i'll have to read the next one


agreed.
thus have opened thy mind a bit.

POSTED: 07/17/2007 - 12:33 pm / quote |
thycrusader :
interesting. finally an article worth reading.
POSTED: 07/17/2007 - 04:55 pm / quote |
1stBass :
sharpiemarker wrote:

axe_2_grind :
...we must understand the basic elements of music and compare they’re extremes...


Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??

"They're" is the conjunction of "they are".
He was supposed to use "their" if I am to understand his meaning correctly.

Anyway, english lesson over. I'm just bitchin' cause I see this kind of thing on the forums all the time, I just don't expect it in an article.


I think you're looking for the word contraction. See? Grammar slip-ups happen.


No, he really didn't, you retard

POSTED: 07/17/2007 - 09:01 pm / quote |
powerage225 :
now if we can only teach this to hardcore and black metal players...
POSTED: 07/18/2007 - 02:50 am / quote |
wyldeshredder :
powerage225 wrote:

now if we can only teach this to hardcore and black metal players...

i have to disagree with you there when you say that about black metal.Although there are no solos,black metal is one of the most creative genres of metal. Black Metal does change in intensity as stated in the article. It explores the musical world,unlike many(not all) death metal bands,who seem to only portray one emotion.Of course there are exceptions to black metal, as some bands are uncreative,just like in every genre, but if we look at the whole black metal is very creative.

POSTED: 07/21/2007 - 07:37 pm / quote |
Dr. A :
wtfisthatadew wrote:

SlashRules wrote:

this is waaaaay to technical. i mean its a freakin song. just play your ideas and emotions.



well, he was just trying to get people to understand that music can be complicated AND still express feelings and emotions. music is poetry. its words and images that mean something when you dig deeper. thats how i look at it

-Adam


Agreed. I'm glad to see that someone (at least) has tried to outline some basic musical theory in order to help with compositions in the future. Music is a universal language. Think of the masters of art: Even the more modern art that seems at first not to follow any rules is intrinsically bound to universal and biological facts that weave together and allow the individual to form a perception of a personal universe as well as artistic theory and technique. Sorry.

POSTED: 07/22/2007 - 04:25 pm / quote |
travman_401 :
axe_2_grind wrote:

...we must understand the basic elements of music and compare they’re extremes...


Dude, what the hell is happening to the english language in america??

"They're" is the conjunction of "they are".
He was supposed to use "their" if I am to understand his meaning correctly.

Anyway, english lesson over. I'm just bitchin' cause I see this kind of thing on the forums all the time, I just don't expect it in an article.


Hoo givz a siht? itz juus 1 GRAMRE mIsstaik! Great article!!

POSTED: 07/22/2007 - 05:10 pm / quote |
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