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Writing For Human Consumption

author: Bubonic Chronic date: 02/27/2006 category: general music
rating: 9 / votes: 67 
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 09:18 am
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ukdudeinuk :
That was a fair amount of pwnage. I would disagree in the classical stuff not being well liked...its just not POPULAR, but whatever otherwise it pwns.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 09:52 am / quote |
Atreideslegend :
awesome \m/
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 11:29 am / quote |
makeitcrynsing :
good stuff
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 11:31 am / quote |
DarthSolo :
Don't try to write about demons rising from the abyss or how angry you want your listener to think you are about the government - write what is real.


Personally, I would much rather listen to a song about demons rising from the abyss to kill babies than a song about this guy proposing to his wife. Good lyrics can be, and most often are, completely fictional.

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 11:39 am / quote |
gu1tar4lyf3 :
great stuff, will definetly have to use it...
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 11:39 am / quote |
YarlA :
REALLY nicely written. Nice tips.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 12:13 pm / quote |
SixStrings :
bravo! bravo!
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 12:35 pm / quote |
Wasp :
Some really good stuff, some stuff that I thought strange, but definitely worth reading!
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 12:55 pm / quote |
Bubonic Chronic :
"Personally, I would much rather listen to a song about demons rising from the abyss to kill babies than a song about this guy proposing to his wife. Good lyrics can be, and most often are, completely fictional."

Most definitely. But I've done the demons and killing babies thing for too long. What is good fiction, though? It is an assemblage of characters and events from your own life, or stories people have told you, using different names, rearranging the main points and adding bits in here or there to make it flow.

Take Tolkien, maybe one of the best fiction writers ever...do you think all that Mordor stuff is completely original? No, it's a characterisation of human nature, Christian theology (he was good friends with CS Lewis who many consider a great theologian) and political events, I'm sure.

Excellent point, though.

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 01:10 pm / quote |
Guitar_Dude777 :
I liked this article.....full ratings from me
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 01:26 pm / quote |
altronataku :
What you said about the balance between repitition and progression is absolutely dead-on and crucial to song-writing. The lack of repitition may very well be one of the (if not the only) downfall in classical music. The void of familiarity in the songs fail to hook people's natural instincts. Sometimes when I listen to a classical piece that lacks repitition, I almost have to force out my aquired taste for it to pay attention. However, a good composer like Tschaikovsky knows the importance of repitition and therefore I also enjoy his compositions because they have that punchline, or whatever you want to call it. Great article.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 01:27 pm / quote |
Tedrick :
Yet another great column Bubonic
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 02:32 pm / quote |
voodoochilli499 :
DarthSolo wrote:

Don't try to write about demons rising from the abyss or how angry you want your listener to think you are about the government - write what is real.


Personally, I would much rather listen to a song about demons rising from the abyss to kill babies than a song about this guy proposing to his wife. Good lyrics can be, and most often are, completely fictional.


he was talking about write what is real to you and dont try and write something you dont feel and belive.

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 02:37 pm / quote |
dimebag7 :
personally, i love lyrics like that, demons and shit, its just my thing, death and decay.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 02:39 pm / quote |
DaveGilmour1189 :
awesome, i found it kinda funny at certain parts for some particular reason.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 02:43 pm / quote |
fudge65315 :
dimebag7 wrote:

personally, i love lyrics like that, demons and shit, its just my thing, death and decay.


Exactly his point, its what YOU love, even if noone else even likes it, what matters is that YOU wrote it, its YOUR music/lyrics/whatever

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 03:12 pm / quote |
dimebag7 :
Yeah loved the article.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 03:36 pm / quote |
Bmm386 :
Great article. I give it a 5.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 03:40 pm / quote |
Hendrix_101090 :
dimebag is a freak i bet hes just putting on a show to get attention
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 03:55 pm / quote |
WrappedInCold :
i thought that h2o jizz was funny, and i also liked the fact that some guy said it was a great article, but he gave it a 5, out of 10...

i didn't like the fact that you boasted so much about your "writing talent," and dedicated a few paragraphs towards it; even though its a somewhat "good example."

this article also feels like you did it one sit through kind of improvising, which i like and also don't like; i'm not a fan of big words beings used "offensively"

overall its a solid 9

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 04:05 pm / quote |
gaspasser88 :
I liked the shark metaphor.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 04:25 pm / quote |
Partyboy2k05 :
wow...that's all I have to say. Makes me think. Which is good. 9/10
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 05:13 pm / quote |
Rage_Garden :
Thats funny about the lack of repetition in classical music, because for me, repetition is the great failure of modern music.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 06:50 pm / quote |
ouchies :
This is a amazing an amazing article.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 07:27 pm / quote |
mikeman :
Excellent use of analogies, and freakin' awesome way to resolve to the tonal center.

Great writing!

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 07:37 pm / quote |
altronataku :
Rage_Garden :
Thats funny about the lack of repetition in classical music, because for me, repetition is the great failure of modern music.

Yes, and this article mentioned balancing the right amount of repitition. Too much will make a song boring, too little will make the song weak. But yes, indeed, today's rock music is repetitive and inane.

POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 08:16 pm / quote |
molly's_lips54 :
rockin, you really made alot of sense, clear writing and excellent ideas. 10
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 09:56 pm / quote |
greensand :
I can see why you got A's on your papers
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 10:06 pm / quote |
n-ocentcriminal :
Really informative. A lot of detailed info which most articles don't really contain. Most tend to be simple and very vague. Awesome, thanks.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 10:08 pm / quote |
HavokStrife :
In the path I'm on right now in my playing I've come to a point where I'm going to have to be doing a lot of writing. This was a great read.
POSTED: 02/27/2006 - 10:19 pm / quote |
Noterunner :
Well you own ideas are almost good. The rest which you are regugitating, that makes sense, is just good vocabulary and ideas that anyone who has read a good music theory book already knows. I think you are trying to bite of more than you can chew. You are trying to explain music mechanicaly. I would say the best music which comes from real musicians is not mechanical but organic. Music is a personal experience. It actually happens in your head not in the real world. If humans did not exist on planet earth,would there be music? No, it would just be sound. So the mind makes connections it recognizes yes you said it, patterns. Music is patterned sound. So, you should not be writing about what music is. Sounds like your essay should be titled, "A Short Racap On The Basics"
So... You want to talk music? Let's talk music. What is music? I don't mean how is music defined, I mean; What IS music? I think it is art! The next question... For who is the art? Well it is either for the individual making it or the listener. The listiner may like predictability as it has the function of helping the listener own the music. Now the composer/player/improviser creates. Some people create by themselves start to finish. But, if you are going to play instruments with people you need a common ground, or else the lack of predictability becomes chaos, noise. Noise is anything which the brain does not recognize as a pattern. So yeah make music repetitive but only if you are concerned with those entities outside yourslef.
Music is the sound of me typing this message on my laptop. It is any sound which is recognizable. Shi^ I could come up with a million rhythms on my Bass Guitar that come from mini pattersn of sound of me typing on this keypad. Music is all around, birds, water, wind,cars, or droping a fork on the ground. It's all music. So just take an I idea and just play with it make IT yours, make IT feel and be felt. Music is acoustic stimulus which envokes emotion. That's just my personal opinion.

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 01:17 am / quote |
thomas44 :
the bloke who wrote this has a high opinion of him self and i dont like it one bit!

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:05 am / quote |
thomas44 :
ive just read note runners comment as well and he thinks a lot himself aswell, theres a lot of people on this site that have vanished up their own arses these days
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:06 am / quote |
local_hippy :
Noterunner.....a good speach but pretty much was writtin in the artical....and great article 10/10 but u wud have used some other example then remembering mother's womb.....
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 06:08 am / quote |
RustyGold :
Good but...

You didn't write much about music theory...And I disagree with you on the ?keep repetition plentiful part," I believe it's good for pop, but on average, it should be kept to a minimum.

If we were all into repetition, we'd all be listening to Britney Spears. That's why rap isn't my cup of tea...

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 06:22 am / quote |
MoshMaster101 :
Yeah cool article. It made me laugh a couple of times through it which was good. And no matter what you say about moral values and cheating yourself, its fun BSing teacher. My excuses have been getting wilder and crazier all year... and they're still buying them! Get in!
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 07:12 am / quote |
TotalResistance :
great artical =]
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 08:44 am / quote |
Bubonic Chronic :
"...What IS music? I think it is art! The next question... For who is the art? Well it is either for the individual making it or the listener. The listiner may like predictability as it has the function of helping the listener own the music. Now the composer/player/improviser creates. Some people create by themselves start to finish. But, if you are going to play instruments with people you need a common ground, or else the lack of predictability becomes chaos, noise. Noise is anything which the brain does not recognize as a pattern. So yeah make music repetitive but only if you are concerned with those entities outside yourslef."

Being "concerned with those entities outside yourself" is not only good marketing, but you will discover that in opening yourself up to other human beings, and ultimately to the species, and to life itself, you truly find yourself - as opposed to holing oneself off in hopes that the mean, nasty world will not poison or distort the precious Self.

And no I did not bite off more than I can chew, I'm college educated. That counts for something (I can spell, for instance.)


POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 08:46 am / quote |
aios :
great advice!!don know what guys r bitching over
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 09:29 am / quote |
namesR4squares :
Aren't you supposed to comment on the article? Not write one of your own!

Great advice by the way.

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 11:47 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Bubonic, you're a god.
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 11:57 am / quote |
scramjam :
I have to agree with Bubonic when it comes to writing about what you feel. I was trying to write a song, but I was intent on writing something silly and fun. However, I was having a really crappy week and was hating everything. The result was well... a piece of crap. I ended up tossing that song and started completely new. I ended up with an EXTREMELY bitter song about life which (in words anyway) sounded a lot better than my previous attempt.
So I dunno, he's right. You write what you feel and it's just more... real.

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 12:13 pm / quote |
scousertommy :
Good article, Bubonic.
You know you almost make it sound like Tolkien GOT his ideas from Lewis in some way, when in fact it was Tolkien's "christian" influence which eventually convinced Lewis of the existance of God.
But yeah, point well made, Tolkien's ideas were re-hashes, but moreso of Norse mythology than christian stuff.
Good article, I have to agree with you about the lyrics being somewhat 'grounded' or realistic. Take Megadeth for example; out of all the thrash/heavy metal bands of the era, Megadeth's lyrics are consistently far, far better than any other. This is because Mustaine wrote heavily about personal shit (aside from the political/nuclear war stuff).
Good work, Bubonic. Yay for college education

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 01:49 pm / quote |
Bazilisck311 :
I say he was justified to boast his knack for writing
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 02:34 pm / quote |
~AdNy :
wow great article. it makes sense, has different ideas, and leaves room for thought. very well written. i lived the repitition part, i now notice why a lot of jazz and latin music is very soothign to me. the steady bogo beats on top of sizzling Santana riffs are a really great combo.
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 02:52 pm / quote |
Voldragon :
Fantastic article, thanks a lot for that.
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 03:38 pm / quote |
original_idiot :
Good stuff. 10 out of 10.
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:03 pm / quote |
original_idiot :
oops. wrong smiley...lol
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:04 pm / quote |
stringmagician :
Noterunner wrote:

Music is a personal experience. It actually happens in your head not in the real world. If humans did not exist on planet earth,would there be music? No, it would just be sound.

Music is all around, birds, water, wind,cars, or droping a fork on the ground. It's all music.


what? haha


Anyway, great work bubonic, this really helped me look into writing my music. I'll remember the things you said in this, and apply them to my own work.
This was excelent man.

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:10 pm / quote |
AestheticGuitar :
eh, kinda lame, if you're writing what's real, then why should you worry about "human consumption" in the first place. Writing "what's real" would be writing for YOU and only YOU. Am I right?
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:19 pm / quote |
Andy0235 :
nudity wise it was crap but everything else wise, it was a great
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 04:41 pm / quote |
thefinalcut :
I like the idea of a balance between the repetition and improv, and how too much of either is boring to most listeners. He's right about writing about yourself, it usually is better but fantasy songs are good too.

People usually disagree with songwriting articles, they always think the writer's telling them what o do....it just a suggesttion. That saidm the failure of "20th Century" music stuff, is complete bollocks.

POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 06:26 pm / quote |
Mikeoman :
You know whats good? Writing about just about anything you can think of. A dream where you get lost on the highway in mid-prairie with some guy you hate or something. Thats good. Something about the work day or that your girlfriend doesn't give a **** about hockey or something... anything you can think of.

Good article. I agree with... well, the whole thing. don't need a deitailed response here.



POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 08:59 pm / quote |
the_man101 :
when you said that you were good at writing and you can make a reasonalbe argument or sound like and expert with little reasearch, i can see why, because it sounded like it here, lol, very good, worth reading
POSTED: 02/28/2006 - 09:06 pm / quote |
The Alchemist :
Great article bro, it makes all kinds of sense, especially the part repetition-change fusion. That explains why the sound of skating is so soothing and exciting to me cuz the sound of the weels turning is naturaly repetitive, but it also changes w/ each new bump & dip u hit in the road. Ur article really made me think (can ya tell, lol). "Zamboni" was right, u are a god bubonic (love the name by the way)! cant wait to see ur next article descend from the clouds!=)
POSTED: 03/01/2006 - 12:23 am / quote |
voodoochild175 :
Is it just me or werent the Beatles the first muscians to use the pentatonic scale in Western Music in about 100 years???? any ways...not a bad article even if modesty isnt your strong point.
POSTED: 03/01/2006 - 08:19 am / quote |
mooman_24 :
woah.. u can reali write.. yeah.. u made ur point.. thanks!
POSTED: 03/01/2006 - 06:15 pm / quote |
IlIk2plygUItAr :
ukdudeinuk wrote:

That was a fair amount of pwnage. I would disagree in the classical stuff not being well liked...its just not POPULAR, but whatever otherwise it pwns.


Not popular would mean not liked...

But I like it. Especially Bach. Anyways, nice article.
voodoochild175 wrote:

Is it just me or werent the Beatles the first muscians to use the pentatonic scale in Western Music in about 100 years???? any ways...not a bad article even if modesty isnt your strong point.


Have you ever heard blues? Are you ****ing retarded?

POSTED: 03/01/2006 - 06:20 pm / quote |
Gman400 :
Umm, not popular would mean not liked by a lot of people. It doesn't mean nobody likes it. I love classical though even though I know exactly what some other dude meant when he said he had to push out his aquired taste for it to really listen.

That said, it was a good read. Not all that original but some nice analogies and good rhetoric.

POSTED: 03/01/2006 - 08:22 pm / quote |
Bubonic Chronic :
Well you own ideas are almost good. The rest which you are regugitating, that makes sense, is just good vocabulary and ideas that anyone who has read a good music theory book already knows.

First, all great ideas are borrowed, taken a bit further by each borrower, then lent to someone else. No these are no my ideas, they are my contribution (small though it may be) to the evolution of music, and perhaps society itself.

Sounds like a big, egotistical statement, but actually we all contribute. When you walk down the street you contribute. I just know I'm contributing and I'm okay with it.



And if this was geared towards those who already know theory I wouldn't have written it. UG is geared (mostly) towards the intermediate player, which includes those who have not taken theory/philosophy courses.

It is not by any means advanced. Simply an observation, an editorial, and yes I think quite highly of myself - highly enough to value my ideas as worthy of human consumption. Not so highly as I think I'm better than anyone else, though. I'm just confident. Does that bother you?

POSTED: 03/02/2006 - 08:12 am / quote |
Burpbelly :
Great article...you seem very philosophical about music as a whole (not that this is a bad thing), but i must say i liked the humour in there aswell. Good stuff
POSTED: 03/02/2006 - 03:36 pm / quote |
X.Y.U :
awesome article i liked all the metaphors and stuff
POSTED: 03/02/2006 - 04:45 pm / quote |
Noterunner :
nottooworiedaboutitBOOBSi
'mcollegeeducatedmyselfin
thesciencesbigwoopyourart
icleisgoodihavenothingels
ebadtosay. I just think that you should understand that you should not say if music is good or bad. That is insulting an artist expression. You should say that it is popular or not. You can give your own personal opinion on music but be carefull or making judgements on art and blanket statments. blahblahcacapoopopeepeeee
.

POSTED: 03/03/2006 - 01:24 pm / quote |
goth_kid7666 :
great article.....only one problem....."Don't try to write about demons rising from the abyss".....silly boy horror-punk is amazing....lol.....keep up ze good work
POSTED: 03/05/2006 - 10:51 pm / quote |
jagstang365 :
nice article man
POSTED: 03/06/2006 - 11:15 am / quote |
SumGreenNOFX182 :
goth_kid7666 wrote:

great article.....only one problem....."Don't try to write about demons rising from the abyss".....silly boy horror-punk is amazing....lol.....keep up ze good work


He meant that if you don't feel like writing something the Misfits would write, don't do it.

POSTED: 03/06/2006 - 03:41 pm / quote |
master travis :
i just write about whatever i think will create the most outrage and piss off the most people.Incest and abortion are favorite subjects of mine.
POSTED: 03/06/2006 - 05:54 pm / quote |
doctah-dre :
boobonic chronic:
"I'm college educated. That counts for something (I can spell, for instance.)"

boobonic chronic once again:
"No these are no my ideas"

the comedic gensui of that alone is priceless. now how about the rest of that article...

POSTED: 03/06/2006 - 10:11 pm / quote |
acoustic-fish :
genius. if i could write that well, i would show off about it! loads of help. cheers!
POSTED: 03/10/2006 - 05:32 pm / quote |
NevermorePsalm :
It is a great article, but your theory is applying to a mainstreem audience. (good or bad?) Some people love everchanging music. I do personally, it's thrilling, it keep me excited. The Mars Volta often go off into this everchanging mass of sound that turn most people off, but then again, I love it. But you are right on one thing, they return to the tonal center. Look at the latest album, it ends in the same way as it starts Good article, I loved it, but it is a possibly biased peice of literature.
POSTED: 04/29/2006 - 10:52 pm / quote |
trivium_rule_11 :
Thomas44 u think he is up himself? by the way u are talking about it u r so far up ur on ass that u have turned inside out.
thomas44 wrote:

ive just read note runners comment as well and he thinks a lot himself aswell, theres a lot of people on this site that have vanished up their own arses these days

POSTED: 06/17/2006 - 03:45 am / quote |
Hobodeter :
For those of you that may be confused the 20th Century Music he was talking about in the beginning of the article was 12 Tone music. Basically it uses every note in the Chromatic scale in a set order, but with any rythem or octave desired. Bach is not 20th Century music, and neither is classical music. IT IS MODERN MUSIC, and by modern I mean beginning of 20th century to the present.
POSTED: 06/20/2006 - 07:46 pm / quote |
Kal10 :
oy, one thing mate, rockin article... perhaps viewed a bit from a stoner's point of view, but then again, they usually have good ideas... now, on to the good stuff: my personal opinion of the demons rising from hell and the dead babies, or the love song, no music is complete trash (rap aint complete trash... but not far from it) the point is, all music in itself is art... however, it is disputable which artforms are better... picasso versus the lad who stacks coke cans... however, one must not forget that certain art, though great, is overused (the creation of adam for example) now, there is relevance... each individual player/band/song writter must find his/her own style and allow it to explode in all its potential... no matter what you right (to quote the author) write from the heart... no one cares how majestic it is, just as long as it has meaning to you... this article, like most, is perhaps biased, and as such, demonstrates the author's personal taste... once again, there is nothing wrong with demons as long as it has significance to you... the best bands are the ones that define their sound, but arent afraid to walk the line, push their creative limits to the end , and show everyone what they are made of... repetition is good, any one will tell you, but dont put us to sleep... just let it rip when u have to...

once again, cheers on a job well done mate
(by the way, laughed my ass off)

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 08:31 pm / quote |
TMA-2 :
wow, that was an extremely thought-provoking article. i agree 100% with the need for balance between repetition and change. absolutely brilliant. keep writing!
POSTED: 03/19/2007 - 07:15 am / quote |
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