Christian Rock: A Vital Music

A while ago, there was a small article on Christian music posted on this site. I, like many, read it. It was short, and had no real arguments for or against Christian music. I read a few of the replies, most of them along the lines of ‘if the music is good, so be it, but this whole ‘God’ thing is not for me.’ There were a few Christ-haters that voiced their opinion, and of course the view that there are no absolutes, therefore you may not push your view on me because it may not be ‘true’ to me. Those statements are self-refuting in their own right and I won’t go into detail on them. But the question still stands: what is the deal with ‘Christian’ music? Are they just altar boys trying to ‘spread the Word’ on MTV or are they punks with a Purpose?

First of all, there is no such thing as ‘Christian’ music. Music is just noise. What the focus is on, then, is the lyrics. The vocalists’ style has nothing to do with divinity, God or the Resurrection. It is what those words are that make the song. There is no neutral ground in this world. There is God, and there is Not God, to put it squarely. You can not write a song that neither curses nor praises God. ‘Well, what about love songs?’ God Is love to Christians, therefore love songs are ‘encouraged’ in the Christian sphere of influence. Yes, even boy-meets-girl songs can be ‘Christian’, if they celebrate love in the context of the Bible. Songs that glorify illicit sex or cheating, ugly breakups, etc. are not Christian. Songs that condemn those actions could be, however. (If this is too complicated, I’m sorry).

Second, Christian artists don’t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article’s predecessor mentioned a ban called ‘Demon Hunter’. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ‘foolish words’ in their song ‘Annihilate The Corrupt’ (from the album ‘Summer of Darkness'), but they don’t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong.

I noticed someone said that Christian music is not welcome on the hardcore/metal scene because it ‘isn’t rebellious’. On the contrary, Christians are radicals! They are weird people, my friend! They are anything but compliant. They follow the biggest radical in the history of the world: Jesus Christ. If you saw The Passion, you probably wondered ‘What would possess a man to do such a thing in the face of torture and death?’ Christians are supposed to love. What is more radical than that? They are rebelling against sin and evil, the most powerful forces on this planet. While, often, Christians do not portray a very accurate silhouette of their Lord, they are supposed to love. Christian music is plenty controversial and rebellious, my friend.

Thus, to conclude, Christian music is not a group of untalented Gaither-wannabes, but a vital and thriving industry that changes lives through music. From Stryper throwing Bibles to the crowd to P.O.D. taking the Gospel to the streets, CCM is very much alive and well in the world today. I would not advise underestimating this Jesus Freak generation.

Comments

[arelt89]

Q: Is Christian music a powerful new breed that could change a generation?
A: Nope

[Melchior]

and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt

[$hab]

No, he was just a travelling magician, bringing cheesy laughs to some.

[iliketaskate]

well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in.

[$hab]

Cos I'm just that shallow...

[$hab]

The majority of Religious people: The world's biggest terroists, apart from the government.

[RatiugLink]

That wasn't really an article, that was just voicing your opinion about Christian rock.

iliketaskate:

"well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in."

I'm not trying to "bash" Christianity, but dispite what this article said, Christians DO force religion on people. Many of my Christian friends keep trying to convert me, because I'm wrong. When the pilgrims came to the "New World" as it was called, they killed Native Americans who wouldn't convert to Christianity (and often killed them anyway, how Christianly of them!). Don't tell me the ideas of Christianity aren't being forced. You don't know what it feels like to have those ideas forced on you.

"Second, Christian artists don?t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article?s predecessor mentioned a ban called ?Demon Hunter?. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ?foolish words? in their song ?Annihilate The Corrupt? (from the album ?Summer of Darkness'), but they don?t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong."

That entire paragraph was contradictory. I haven't heard the band, but from what you said, it sounds like their lyrics are something along the lines of:
"Sex, drugs, and rock n' roll is not the way to go. Burn in hell dirty bastard!"
So if you want to be technical, they aren't quite shoving Christianity down our throats, they've actually got a knife to our throats, telling us to swallow it.

[peilun]

hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist and our lord is not a cunt whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off!

[RatiugLink]

I am not condoning disrespect from Christians or against Christians.

[$hab]

RatiugLink; you tell it how it is. If you're not a terroist peilun, then you're obviously the minority. constructive opinion and theory is all this is. You take life too seriously.

[Backup Guitar]

What about the band Pure Silence, who's aim is to carry a hopeful message to the 'sinful' youth of the world? I bet they think they're better than me because they're preaching away...

Whatever. This article really lacked something. Work on the writing skills.

[Pagerot]

$hab: You can never take life too seriously. That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

[$hab]

I've never even heard of that band, they probably suck.

[cold_static544]

This article is not that "serious" enough, you don't have enough arguments to support your stand. But I'm like whatever, with Christian rock. Its a kinda historical and sociological bias. I'll get less flak in the rock scene if I sing about Buddha than about Jesus.

Cos think of Jesus, you're thinking of the crusades and all that shit. But Buddha, is like some peace-loving guy on the top of the hill, helping people achieve enlightinment. But there's a kinda bias towards christianity, and some of this bias is self-inflicted.

Like christians being bigoted, imposing their religion, and not seeing things in an objective manner. But somewhat, western society is biased towards christianity as a whole. Imo, christianity is a nice religion without the christians.

[ultradogfromhel]

christians dont blow up building and hijack planes

[Lord_Xian]

your getting it all wrong, christians are ok, as 'ok' as any religious person can be, its bloody muslims that are the terrorists. Their religion -- "kill a christian. Win a prize" all we need is another crusade to kill them all. TO ARMS!!!

[shawn_cold]

Come on stop insulting Christianity or other religion.If you don't understand Christianity talk to a friend who knows,it will help you better understand the religion instead of insulting them or voicing so of your opions which might not be true.This is people's religion and it might hurt them by hearing all this I am sure you don't like people insulting your beliefs right?Ok I hope you will understand Christianity instead of insulting.

[Sucksatguitar]

no need to bash god, but i think christian music blows balls big time... i believe in god but did anyoen see teh sotuh park episode making fun of christian music??? cause if u havnt it prooves to the world how easy it is to write christian music.. everyone go find that south park episode o.0

[Sucksatguitar]

i notice some people got off track from the topic... is christian music good... not really but the religion is great .

[fozzy_5674]

Before you people insult christiansity, maybe you should find out what its all about. $hab, there are billions of christians in this world and very, very few of them condone any type of terrorist activity, and for the ones that do, they need to open up their bible and read up loving your neighbor.

As for the music itself, Demon Hunter, Zao, and dead poetic rock harder than many of the other bands out there. Listen to some of their stuff before you shun them because they're "christian rock"

[Unseen_hero]

ultradogfromhel:
christi
ans dont blow up building and hijack planes

you answered a stereotype with a stereotype. That makes you sound un-intelligent. From what i've experienced. Christians do preach as a matter of fact, and that's what i hate. I have one good christian friend who is not like that, he's just him and more christians should be that way instead of pressing their ideas on someone else. That's why we are individuals, we don't have to be the same.

[Saptor77]

i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

[Veno]

it won't change a generation or anything like that, it's jsut the other end of the scope. If you have death metal then there's certainly someone looking at it the other way and that's how we come on christian music.

Meh, it's nothing special. Alot of the "christian punk" bands ( only christianish music i've ever listened too) don't really force anything down your throat. They say something like "Jesus gave me a awake up call" or " I'm getting into god" (both examples from Relient K), and not so much of the " You ***ing better worship my god or i shalt smote you" kinda bs.

But hey that's jsut form what I've heard.

[Rocker3829]

good article, i like how you pointed out they are following the biggest rebel ever, Jesus, in the face of sin and death. great way to put it. I'm a christian though i've doubted it for a while and haven't been to church in a while(needs to go back) though you cannot underestimate the talent of some of these new bands.

12 stones, Eric their lead guitarist plays lead very well, P.O.D.- though they dont show it as much, but they have LS's old lead guitarist Jason Truby. and two of the best Christian metal bands ever, Zao and LIVING Sacrifice. You want some good heavy metal with real guitar not that nu-metal bs get some living sacrifice cds, though they broke up back in 02. You can really find some great bands in Christian music if you give it a chance

[Riot]

I believe that Christian music is a new breed. More and more bands are calling themselves Christians then ever before now. If they want to preach the gospel then let them preach through music. Nobody should put them down just b/c they talk about Jesus. They're just like any other band except they have a purpose, if one wants to listen to them fine. If not, just let them be.

[JoHNNERz]

I've had enough of this.
Show me one Christian rock song that says anyhting about
"convert or burn" or anyhtign of that nature, and I'll agree with all of you saying that Christian rock shoves religion down your throat.
Just one lyric.

[JoHNNERz]

And btw there is a massive bias against Christianity.
watch this:
"Jesus was a cunt"
"Buddha was a cunt, and so were Vishnu and Shiva and Allah"
No one cares that I say Jesus is a cunt, but insult anyone else's God and you might as well jumpoff a cliff.

[RatiugLink]

ultradogfromhel:
"chris
tians dont blow up building and hijack planes"

You're right. That's what Muslim extremists do. Christian extremists on the other hand lynch people who are different from them. And yes, the KKK are Christians. They are extremists, as are terrorists, but you cannot make it sound like Christians are the purist people on earth, no.

[RatiugLink]

Saptor77:
"i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life.."

The best decision I've made in my life was to become a non-Christian.

[SingingSabre]

*le sigh* Christian rock isn't for me. It's not for everyone...just those who like it.
Try shoving it down my through, though...that would be a big mistake.

My point is "between the lines" here.

P.S. I can't believe that he confused the Catholic movie "Passion" with a Christian article.

[gdawg3001]

im chirstian but i dont listen to the music. its just not the same as the regular stuff.

[pepsi_is_evil]

I listen to Slipknot. I'm what they call "HARDCORE!"

[janecoffin27]

I'm Christian, I'm tired of these cunts trying to say "Christians (or just religious people) are terrorists" or "All Christians try to force religion on you." There are some denominations that do that but you're just stereotyping people.

God kicks ass, but I don't really listen to Christian rock music.

[micha]

RocknRoll is, has been, and always will be the devils music, so keep "your lord" out of it. We like to sin, and it keeps us interested in living, so take your god and your cheesy, unimaginative motivational lyrics and lame song structure and *** off.

[Jerre]

Religion often stands close to violence...

[kapp]

6satan6rulz6

[frodoisdead]

I dont care about the 'christian' aspect. Its the music that counts. Give me a 12 Stones cd anyday

[EpitaphMan440]

6satan6rulz6

Your an idiot.

[Moog]

I agree. People smack Christians for what happened in the past. Remember that Christianity started off with a small group of 12 disciples. It was tiny. It was shouted down by the polytheistic religions of the day. People who joined Christianity were rebels, radicals, and died for their faiths. Heck, St. Peter was crucified upside down. All 12 of the disciples died gruesome deaths for their Lord. When you guys bash Christianity, don't forget that Bible-thumpers and extremists came after the sacrifices of the first few believers. The KKK proclaim to be Christian, but I believe them to be a cult like the Mormons and JWs. They twist the pure Word of God for their own reasons. After this post, I suspect I will get many bashing posts, with comments like "Jesus is a cunt" "@@#$ u man" or "You're all trying to shove religion down our throats." Sometimes, I feel like the endtimes are coming. People are blind to the fact that they support the majority when they go against Christianity. I mean, just look at all these threads here. More than half of the threads are anti-Christians. You guys are all just bandwagon-jumpers. Once again, Christianity has been pushed into silence by New Age (reminiscent of the polytheistic religions which were all around at Christianity's founding). This probably seems kinda garbled right now, but then again, I'm writing this 2 hours before my grad ceremony starts. Don't hate Christianity, just show love. If you can't stand Christians, show love toward them. It'll change them and you. If you hate Christians, how different are you than those who hate non-Christians or minorities (i.e. KKK)?

[6strung]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHRISTIAN MUSIC!!!!!!!!

[Encore_God]

Music is just noise.

Clearly the music you listen to is devoid of soul, passion and true emotion.

And you only listed two bands in there.

To add to that, 'Christian Rock' is an oxymoron.

[blackwater786]

im frickin sick of hearing P.O.D. mentioned in every article about christian music. They don't represent anything about christian music potential. Bands like project 86, extol, living sacrifice, killswitch engage, and shadows fall all have positive lyrics and sick music. Everyone should especially check out extol - they have some of the most amazing technical guitar paying ive ever heard. ok...thats all

[Pig]

I don't have anything against people that choose to be Christian, but why would I want to listen to "Christian Music" if there is "non-Christian Music" that is so much better?

Believe it or not, I know plenty of people who actually buy CDs because they are Christian and "have a good message". Seems sad to me that anyone can sing about some religion and have fans because of it. Face it, if you're a Christian band, you've got a somewhat garuanteed fan base. I mean, if you're preaching what all these Christians want you to preach, they're going to like you, it's that simple.

Honestly, every time I hear someone rave about a "hit" Christian song, it always ends up being some "god saved me" type song with absolutely no lyrical ability or musical talent being showcased.

Get back to me when there's Christian music that comes with a whole damn bucket of rock, because I'm sure as hell not going to listen to something just because it loves the Christian God.

[blackwater786]

also all you dumbass mtv whores talking about song structures and lyrics dont know what the hell your talking about. I'd just like to say - Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Disturbed, Coal Chamber, Orgy, and anything else remotely along those lines sucks ass. Try some real metal out qweers.

[Burn in hell]

There is absolutly nothing wrong with christians, they just have no clue what their talking about. And every time a discussion about God arises they have to look up a 2000 year old quote and pretend to know what it means.

You should treat a christian the same way you treat an 87 year old autistic person with alszheimers.

[matthew]

We have a definete clue on what we are talking about. We are found...never lost. History (i.e. the bible) is one of the greatest tools known to man..it helps keep us from making the same mistakes twice. Christianity changes lives, and it can change a generation. People only need to give up their perverted attitudes that bash christ and just accept him because he doesnt' care who you are, he showed the greatest love of all for all of mankind, giving up his own life, on his own accord. Not many would do that in the world today. Look at Christ not as a crutch, but as the whole stretcher, he takes your life and makes it good. Many who've posted here should read into that a little bit. You might like it!

[blackwater786]

^^right on^^

[mexicankornfan]

christian music????? who want to rock out to this????

[Burn in hell]

matthew:
We have a definete clue on what we are talking about. We are found...never lost. History (i.e. the bible) is one of the greatest tools known to man..it helps keep us from making the same mistakes twice. Christianity changes lives, and it can change a generation. People only need to give up their perverted attitudes that bash christ and just accept him because he doesnt' care who you are, he showed the greatest love of all for all of mankind, giving up his own life, on his own accord. Not many would do that in the world today. Look at Christ not as a crutch, but as the whole stretcher, he takes your life and makes it good. Many who've posted here should read into that a little bit. You might like it!

I dont hate Christ, I hate you. You judge people on what you think is right, and believe 3/4 of the world is going to hell because many believe (like myself), that it's not what religion you hail from, but your own spiritual connection with God and Christ, Not the influence of naive idiots who think they are greater then others because of their own translations of what their taught. I dont think people in this day and age can interpret the bible. And it is too sensitive of a subject to discuss especialy in a place like this.

[maynard schism]

christian rock sucks my big cock.

[Paroxysm]

For whoever said that Chevelle is a christian band is an idiot... And Christian music just isn't the type of music I want to listen to anyway (or anything that praise the Lord!)

[DonFelipe]

Ah you see? Mention religion in the slightest and everyone just flips out! This is old... There's the people making the statements, there's the people who are offended by it and there's the people who don't knwo what to think. Every little demented point will be made and flipped around by the other side, such as christian bands atuomatically have a fan base, which makes little sense becasue devil worshipping and christian hating bands have the same thing, because people relate to them. Thats why we listen to the words in songs...so we can relate to them.
I think we've really lost track of what we're talking about here, and that my friends is Christian ROCK. There are two kinds of this topic of interest. There is the crazy pioneering music, that I am yet to hear from any other branch of hte music industry, of nashing metal riffs, and basically, insanely different music. Such music was first brought about by Zao. If you like any of today's proclaimed "metal" (I shudder at the thought of some bands) you will probably like Zao. Other bands you should check out are Dead Poetic, The Nodes, Starflyer56, 22Idaho, the list goes on... but anyways, Some of these bands incooperate into their music things that have never been done Yes, I'm a Christian. I'm also in a "non-Christian" or whatever else you wanna label us band, meanign simply we don't sing about God all the time. Is there influences of God and the like in our music? Of course, simply because God is a part of my life, and life is what we use to make music. I was showing some guitarring techniques that i had picked up from this so called "new breed" of music (this is what its called since they havent come up with a name yet) to the other guitarist in my band, he really liked them. Its good music!
The secodn type is that, that you often hear on Christian radio stations. Yes, the lame lil soft rock music that none of us youngsters apprieciate. I dont like it more then the next person, but that doesnt make it bad music. That goes for ANY music, just cuz we dont like Kenny G, doesnt mean hes not good music... (i guess ) Also, just because our metalheads and these softies may be singign about the same thing, does not make them much alike. Its like a Jazz singer and a rapper both singing about love.

The point is that Christian rock can indeed be good. Listen to it if you like it, and dont if you dont. Its just like any other music. Listen to bands and continue to do so to the oens you like. Just becasue they are devoted to God, doesnt knock their talent as musicians. We all have our problems with the world, and we all experience hate, but let's not let it interfere with music.

Music is an art, and art of expression. With all the prejudices against religions and religious bands there are out there, we may be losing oen of the most beautiful things we've left in humanity...and trust me, there arent many left.

[Burn in hell]

Christianity is a cult. Go get raped by a priest.

[csamgo]

church is a hoax....they get u 2 go 2 this "holy" place 2 pray and give them ur money cuz they don't make ne income....its bull shit...what makes a church more holy 2 pray at then the likes of ur own home....religion its self is a hoax everybody should abandon relgion and not waste there time givin money 2 poor beggers like that of the church

[Burn in hell]

"I'm a theif, I'm a Liar, Theirs my church I sing in the choir. (Hellelujah!)"
- Eddie Vedder

[csamgo]

one more thing christian rock is stupid...what exactly makes it christian rock?....nirvana talks bout god in the song lithium in the first verse...does that make it a christian song?....they have a song off of unplugged wit the jesus in the title....its still nto christian rock

[6slip6knot6]

this article was ok. but some christian rock, actually alot of it (reffering to the music part) does suck. nothing wrong with the religion because thats what i am, but i just dont like the majority of the music. i do like pod alot though.

[13JimmyPage13]

I am a christian. I don't want to force something down your throat, I really would rather not if you don't want to be religious , it's fine with me. I will say though that I as a christian should not be blamed for the mistakes of the the early settlers and kings of Europe. That's exactly like blaming a jew for his/her ancestors killing Jesus or blaming a Muslim for 9/11. So the question is who do you blame? the answer, no one. It is not your fault nor the church's that someone is acting out in such a radical way. Csamgo I would like to say that not all churchs are payed for by there members lots of churchs are payed for by the city. Also you may think that all we do is pray, but in a church we work on plans to improve the world, on sending people to foreign lands like Africa and South America to help improve the economy. I once read a book written by a man determined to prove christianity wrong he spent six long years traveling the globe, analyzing scripture, and interveiwing christians. After six years he ended up becoming a christian himself. So before you judge us I dare you read the bible and know why we are what we are before you critisize are beliefs.

[Burn in hell]

6slip6knot6

6slip6knot6 - slipknot= 666

nothing wrong with the religion because thats what i am

IRONIC??

[im not mental]

I don't care about the lyrics, just as long as it's really heavy. so i like some christian music like POD. (3 DAYS!!!!!!)

[im not mental]

"we from the school, the school of hard knox, who's ready to rock? (READY TO ROCK!) are you ready to rock? (READY TO ROCK!) round'n up suckaz, knock'em, knock'em out the box"

[Alt3Rethos]

for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. that whoever believes in him shall have everlasting life john 3:16


anyways christian rock has a very positive message and they portray gods love openly but thats just my opinion

[~King_Of_Foolz~]

and the stereotypes come out a rollin'

[13JimmyPage13]

stereotypes suck

[RatiugLink]

Encore_God:
"To add to that, 'Christian Rock' is an oxymoron."

Hey, I remember posting that before. Did you remember me saying "Christian rock is an oxymoron"?

[crackdaddycaine]

I am a christian. I don't want to force something down your throat, I really would rather not if you don't want to be religious , it's fine with me. I will say though that I as a christian should not be blamed for the mistakes of the the early settlers and kings of Europe. That's exactly like blaming a jew for his/her ancestors killing Jesus or blaming a Muslim for 9/11. So the question is who do you blame? the answer, no one. It is not your fault nor the church's that someone is acting out in such a radical way. Csamgo I would like to say that not all churchs are payed for by there members lots of churchs are payed for by the city. Also you may think that all we do is pray, but in a church we work on plans to improve the world, on sending people to foreign lands like Africa and South America to help improve the economy. I once read a book written by a man determined to prove christianity wrong he spent six long years traveling the globe, analyzing scripture, and interveiwing christians. After six years he ended up becoming a christian himself. So before you judge us I dare you read the bible and know why we are what we are before you critisize are beliefs.---13JimmyPage13




the same thing happened to some of my friends, there were 2 of them, and they werent into the religeon at all and we'd always just make fun of christianity, but one day they went to some kinda christ youth type thing, and they came back all like "oh gosh we gotta stop sining so we dont go to hell" "i love god" now thats some pretty weird shit, and anything that can turn you from someone who tottally trashes the thing, into a tottally obedient drone, cant be all good...oh man, i almost went to that too, im glad i didnt.

[crackdaddycaine]

they were tottally (and still are) serious, its really depressing to me, its like theyve died

[DonFelipe]

Sadly, you all remind me of the old saying, everyone wishes to voice their opinion, but no one really wants to listen...human nature 101

[civildp1]

christians dont blow up building and hijack planes

no but the kkk(which is a christian organization) burns crosses, kills blacks, jews, gays, muslims, and have been known to blow up a church. there are terrorists in every sect of life. and what about all of the other things people have done in the name of god. I seem to remember a dude named hitler who killed over a million jews in the name of christ?didn't jesus teach us not to hate. don't be a biggot. I am christian but don't like christian music. Take any pop or love song and change the word baby to lord. You've got a christian hit. here's a nugget of thought for you. You know how all the fundamental christian leaders are opposed to artificial inseminaton? jesus is arguably the first case of it. god and mary didn't have intercourse. chew on that.

[SoulsStrife]

all of your ignorance in the way this life is meant to be lived, will be your down fall...one day you'll realize that you've runined your life and you will be facing nothing but emptiness, and loneliness...that is what hell is utter and complete loneliness, with no one to talk to and no one to ever love u. all of u who try bad mouth Christ and what he did for u, your all going to regret it, and why not listen to this, a lawyer who won 280 murder cases in a row was asked if he could disprove Jesus dying on the cross and the stories behind it of him dying for our sins, so he set out to see if he could prove it.......he found no evidence at all that disproved any of what the bible says, and he himself became christian

[ThaMessenjah210]

I challenge every single one of you to research the Christian religion, and the Bible... I challenge you. To me, it is not intelligent to argue, or disagree with something that you have knowledge of.

It's like the story of the three blind men and the elephant. (Paraphrasing) One blind man felt the trunk, and said an elephant was just a long, thick, thing with 2 holes at the end. Another blind man felt the tail, and said the elephant was like a snake. Another blind man felt the middle section of the elephant and said it was like a hippo or a rhino... (This is not 100% correct but you get the point) Now, each blind man is right and wrong, but they do not have the full picture... Do you think those three blind men are fully equipped to give an accurate desciption of that elephant.... Are you fully equipped to evaluate the Christian religion and its followers with just a few experiences with Christians...

I hate to admit this, but guess what, there are people who claim to be Christian, and are not... Guess what, there are also Christians that are not perfect... I know that is a shock to you... But Think about it before you bash it, infact think about that before you bash ANYTHING...

Tommorw, you guys are in for a treat, im goign to try and reply to most of the comments here... Think abotu it overnight...

[Atticus_XI]

i thought this was a guitar website??

[KeviePie04]

christian music is fine i spose, i just don't like it because thats not what i believe, and when I ever hear christian music, I always have the feelin that im trying to be converted. Christianity itself doesn't mean any harm, but the people who really preach it do sometimes, but there are still plenty of good christians, but even those can be radical and try to convert everyone they see. I say just stick to yourself.

[optimuswoodz]

OK, so, here's my two cents: My idea is to do away with the "Christian" label. On the one hand it does help me find new bands that share my faith, but it also turns people off to something potentially amazing. Think about it, if Switchfoot hadn't crossed over to the mainstream, would anyone have touched "Meant To Live" with a 10 foot stick? It would still have that awesome riff, but with that "Christian" label on it it wouldn't have seen the light of day. But, without the label on it, the song was huge, as it should have been. So take the "Christian" label off of Relient K, and a song like "I Am Understood?" could make a splash. They still have songs with a Christian meaning, but so do some mainstream songs. "Bring Me To Life" by Evanescence comes to mind, and they denied any ties to the Christian Music Industry. One of my favorite songs is "Letters to God" by Boxcar Racer (would have been better, but they just had to leave that f-word in there). Anways, my theory is this, when someone sees "Christian" attached to something, it immediately polarizes it. People will either automatically flock to it, or run from it with robotic regularity. I saw at music stores that they keep the Christian/Gospel section, but integrate. Be able to find a Relient K album in both sections. It won't hurt anyone, it may offend some of those people that cringe when they hear the 'C' word, but people are offended by music on a daily basis. And those of you that think that music is just noise, well, what difference to you does it make anyway? These bands have riffs just as heavy as mainstream bands. I understand that not everyone is a Christian. And I understand that many, many Christians can be off-putting, they make us seem pushy, extreme, and even bland. I'll admit, it is tough, I've struggled with it my whole life. But, if you truly, believe that God sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins and that he rose again the third day, I don't see why you wouldn't want to share that. Unfortunately, some (a lot) of Christians don't share, or even give a good example; they force it down your throat. They mean well, but they do leave a bad taste sometimes. But music speaks to people. If you really love music like I do, if you have ever heard a song for the first time, heard a line that clicked with you, maybe even on a level you don't even know, but you know it spoke to you, somehow, then give "Christian" music a chance. Remember, it's all about the lyrics. Rock is not the Devil's music (and Satan is part of Christianity), that is just a nickname for it and carry's no real weight. Please consider these words open mindedly, and God bless.

[Larry Walnut]

Well...I am christian (trying to be more like it), and I agree that all these punks who flak on christianity simply because they heard their mom's praise&worship cd are very misguided. Bands like Project86, who don't claim to be a "christian" band, are needed in this market. They will tell it like it is and not candy coat life with the whole "Ohhh life is so wonderful, let's all go hug each other" type lyrics. They tell it like it is, they get down and dirty about life and, like the song Pipedream, they tell you "choose, decide, and face" they tell you that there is one way, but they don't go the typical "this road is so easy and loving".

For people who have any hate or dislike towards christian music...go buy some Project86. We need more bands who will bring life into perspective.

PROJECT86
...go buy it if you hate christian music.

[punk_pixie1987]

Im with Larry on this one, i feel the same way. Bands whose catch line and purpose is to force Christianity down your throat don't appeal too much to me, as a Christian - or the best form i can be..
Bands like Emery, and thrice, they are christians - yet dont promote it. Its the way to go. Not that being christian is anything to fee ashamed of, its just you need to respect the greater communities opinions.
Relient K - excellent pop/punk christian band
MXPX - great band.. check them out guys..

[fool_rat]

have u guys ever heard of christian rock??? no, so shut the hell up....

[civildp1]

all of your ignorance in the way this life is meant to be lived, will be your down fall...one day you'll realize that you've runined your life and you will be facing nothing but emptiness, and loneliness...that is what hell is utter and complete loneliness, with no one to talk to and no one to ever love u. all of u who try bad mouth Christ and what he did for u, your all going to regret it, and why not listen to this, a lawyer who won 280 murder cases in a row was asked if he could disprove Jesus dying on the cross and the stories behind it of him dying for our sins, so he set out to see if he could prove it.......he found no evidence at all that disproved any of what the bible says, and he himself became christian

what evidence proves what the bible says? in many cases(especially the old testement) the bible is the only written record. And there are many things that make good cases against the "facts" of the new testement.

[civildp1]

christ died on the cross. we are sure of that. thats one of the few things in the bible supported by other accounts and writings.

[civildp1]

here's another piece of mind gum. all of you christian rock supporters are mad becase these people are hating on jesus without doing research.(which I fully agree with) Have you done research on their beliefs before condeming them? get off your pedistal. why should christian rock be in the "christian/gospel" and "mainstream" sections? I can only find sonic youth in one section why should your music get two?

[tremonti0076]

ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

[bhall3000]

It is my desire to make music that Christ can use me to speak to others through...To everyone on this post who has made fun of Christ and our religion...I will be praying for you and no matter how bad you don't won't me to..there is nothing you can do to stop me...God will begin working in your lives, pay close attention.

[metalmassacre]

Melchior:
and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt
[POSTED: 12 June 2004 - 08:28]|

$hab:
No, he was just a travelling magician, bringing cheesy laughs to some.
[POSTED: 12 June 2004 - 08:42]|

making fun of other peoples religon, are a jew?
see i was making a point

[Jasomat]

whoever said christians try to push their beliefs on others doesnt know the difference between a MORMON and a CHRISTIAN. go ahead and bash them, but saying that christains are terrorists, and that they push their religions on others just makes you lose your credibility and prove that you dont know what your talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

[Kirosho]

The problem with everyone here is that they place everyone into one category "the KKK were christian extremists" Dont you think that almost every other christian in the world including myself is ashamed that they would call themselves christians. Not every christian is some glasses-wearin preacher. The Drummer in my band at church has hair down to the middle of his back and raises his hands in worship. Just because we believe in God doesnt mean we cant still be energetic and cool. and F.Y.I ive listened to demon hunter and it is some SERIOUSLY heavy stuff, the "anhilate the corrupt" doesnt force religion, its just bein honest as to what the consequeces are. I personally like all kinds of music, and ill admit that there arent that many christian songs that have a certain "zing" that make you want to listen to them. But christian songs do hold a "depth" to christians that i believe that non-believers cant understand.

[Kirosho]

P.S Christians are humans, we make mistakes, so just because someone you know is christian and messed up or cussed or something, doesnt mean that we are some kinda lying hypocrites.

[Ganin713]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

I'm christian, borderline mormon(I go there, but i'm not baptized or anything; just not right for me right now). I've read some pretty stupid things on this site, mostly from the 'anti-christian' side. This is the single most idiotic comment next to 'jesus was a cunt' It's sad that I can put a christian's comment next to that. I can even counter this with a simple quote from the bible. "Matt 7:1-2--Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete it shall be measured you again."

As for what Mr. Melchior said, he obviously has never read the bible, because regardless of whether He was the Son of God or not, He can be put among people such as Tao Te Ching, Confucius, and Buddha as one of the greatest philosophical minds of all time. Face it, if more people followed any of these minds, the world would be a better place. (Evangalists are generally ignorant anyway, and encourage people to blindly worship, which is just as bad as those who blindly criticize).

As for Christian rock, it has its place. That is why my humble town has a CHRISTIAN ROCK station, which is where that is played. You don't hear Bach's beautiful Brandenburg Concerto on the same station as Stairway to Heaven, arguably one of the best songs ever written. Neither of which do you hear on the same station as you might hear Herbie Hancock. They're different Genres. So what if the style is the same, lyrics can totally change the feel of a song. I find that they are uplifting, and more pleasing to the ear than other music. That could be because christian music isn't totally focused on glorifying carnal desires, and the abuse of the reproductive process.

"You can believe nothing, or you can believe everything. Either way allows you not to think."

Oh and guys, please take an extra second to check your effing spelling! It's pretty stupid to watch someone misuse the words except, are, and other really simple stuff like that. and nothing spoils an intellectual discussion like a typo. In turn, if I've made any mistakes, don't let me live it down. ever.

[jaxons_cool]

it is not christian music it's christian lyrics. The music can be christian but the music varies from death metal to pop to techno.

[jaxons_cool]

messed that up.
t is not christian music it's christian lyrics. The lyrics can be christian but the music varies from death metal to pop to techno.

[reunn]

:angel: cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!! :angel:

[reunn]

cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!!

cristian rock music is a growing thing and i am a cristian. God does not hurt or decieve us, he doesnt trick us into doing things for his glory.he doesnt lie to us, he doesnt murder us or hurt us. He doesnt do anything that we find bad. Chrisian rock music does not promote badness it promotes god not doing these things. There are no things in the lyrics of a cristian song that makes us feel bad or lonely about our selves. Christian rock, rep, techno or whatever the music is is not bad!!!!!

[reunn]

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[JimmyJackrabbit]

religion in rock?

[<<< Frantic >>>]

Ganin713, may I ask what the difference is between 'jesus is a cunt' and you trying to emotionally blackmail someone by saying how sad it is that you have to put that in a Christian comment. Believe what you all want, and so will I, but both sides are as bad as each other and I can except that fact and I am not religious. It's still a belief system, I believe God does not exist, while Christian's believe God does exist, it's all the same. Should it really matter anyway? If the music's good, bring on Christian music. However, I have seen no evidence of good Christian music in my experience, although I don't mind limited doses of P.O.D., but under the "Genre" line of every P.O.D. review or description it's always something different... "Christian Rap Metal" or "Christian Nu-Metal" or something. They never put Christian rock... this is the age of the hybrid's, when bands just name themselves under a new genre. Go music...

[<<< Frantic >>>]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

You, you're a ***in idiot and embody the whole reason religion really, really gives me the shits. What makes you different to saying "jesus is a cunt" and you're telling Melchior he's gonna burn in hell? Judge not, lest ye be judged my arse. More christian's need to start practising and stop preaching. If people wanted to be preached at, they'd ask. If I like it, I'll listen to it plain and simple and the same as everyone else on this site. Hahahaha, no sex for you tremonti0076 until you're like 30 and married

[<<< Frantic >>>]

Saptor77:
i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

Why don't you just write "atheists are cunts" to offend my religion

[numetaldude]

i'm a Christian and I'm ashamed of all the people who claim to be Christian but go against every principle in the Bible (George Bush, KKK, etc). When Christians talk to you about God, they're not trying to stuff the religion in your throat. They just wanna help. Coz it's really peaceful to know that there's something after this life that's much better. And even if we're wrong, do you actually have anything to lose? All Christianity asks is for your faith, nothing else. You can go ahead sinning (but if your faith is strong, you'll definitely not want to sin).

Besides, we're not the only people who try to spread our ideals. Politicians, scientists, teachers, and musicians of practically every genre try to spread their ideas. I dare you to name any band that says "I'm neutral on everything and am singing this just for the fun of it".

AS for Christian rock, I guess it's okay. But in some cases, the band sound like it's mocking Christianity. I don't think Christian and metal fit at all.

[Until_it_sleeps]

tremonti0076:
ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that

If jesus is so great why does he want to kill us all for not beleiving in him? It's stupid

[RememberMyName]

Is anyone listening? ... Good.

I challenge every single one of you to research the Christian religion, and the Bible... I challenge you. To me, it is not intelligent to argue, or disagree with something that you have knowledge of.

It's like the story of the three blind men and the elephant. (Paraphrasing) One blind man felt the trunk, and said an elephant was just a long, thick, thing with 2 holes at the end. Another blind man felt the tail, and said the elephant was like a snake. Another blind man felt the middle section of the elephant and said it was like a hippo or a rhino... (This is not 100% correct but you get the point) Now, each blind man is right and wrong, but they do not have the full picture... Do you think those three blind men are fully equipped to give an accurate desciption of that elephant.... Are you fully equipped to evaluate the Christian religion and its followers with just a few experiences with Christians...

I hate to admit this, but guess what, there are people who claim to be Christian, and are not... Guess what, there are also Christians that are not perfect... I know that is a shock to you... But Think about it before you bash it, infact think about that before you bash ANYTHING...

Tommorw, you guys are in for a treat, im goign to try and reply to most of the comments here... Think abotu it overnight...

This guy must live...


Quite honestly, I am a practising christian (churchie) and I have friends from many different nationalities. I do not force my religion upon anyone, but I can't stand those who diss my religion. But I am in no position to judge anyone, He will choose punishment.

There is no wrong religion. God is praised in many forms (Buddha, Allah, etc.), and they are all the One God. After all, Jesus was a Jew. It's not how you praise, it is just that you have faith (6satan6rulz6, grow up). Christianity is just one of those forms. Jesus forgave all of those who crucified Him before He died, I don't think that I could do that, but I try.

To me, lyrics mean nothing. Sure, I hear a lyric and I think it's great, but it is the music that counts. That's why I love lead guitar, solos of any kind (except the album you make when your band splits up), and don't listen to nu metal. I love death metal, I'm really getting into it, but that doesn't mean I worship Satan. I think some of the stuff that they say is funny, even if it is blasphemous. I enjoy it, but it doesn't convince me to go against Him, and I hope I never do. Christian Rock isn't all about the words; listen to how they sing it, how they play it, watch them play it. See Zack De La Rocha live? Mad Bastard...

[Anti_Me]

OK i am also a christian and i belive that its not fair that just because a band happens to contain christians, everyone hates the band. I admit that their are not many good bands with cristians in them, but i dont know of any bands that force chritianity on you. If you listen to christian music dont u expect CHRISTIAN CONTENT? also, great article man.

[calvin420]

I'm not christian, don't like christian rock, and I'm definitely not taking advice on religion from someone named "Crackdaddycaine". Sorry but you set yourself up on that one dumbass...

[da_loyde]

if u have a right to preach all ur crap to us then we have a right to shove it back down all ur throats and say christianity sucks

[Ganin713]

>, let me make a correction. I find it depressing that people attemtping to defend both sides are making such idiotic comments. When I read the 'jesus is a cunt' comment, I knew I was going to use it, and I wasn't ashamed. It was the fact that there was a comment from the christian side that was almost as bad that I was a little angry about. If you didn't notice, the cunt comment speaks for itself, but I condemned the christian comment. It was unspecific, sorry.
On another note, tremonti0076 obviously doesn't embody the religion(judge not), just the people in it. Huuuge difference. In fact, nowhere in the bible does it say that all other religions will burn(The jews don't count b/c 1)it was before jesus, and 2)because they were God's chosen). You live the good life, you go to heaven. You live the bad life, you go to hell. It doesn't matter what you believe. I just think that christianity has a large portion of truth to it. I find that Taoism carries some degree of truth. Am I going to burn because of this? no.

Numetal, AMEN!

Lyrics, to me, are just as important as the music itself(if not more)! Lyrics are why I can't listen to the radio anymore! It's really stupid to listen to where society's going, based on the mainstream music right now. I hate to say it, but it's especially true in rap. There's hardly a decent song out there, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the music itself. Evanescence proves that. Their songs aren't all that complex (I can't play stairway, but I certainly can play Going Under) but their lyrics are really cool.

Calvin420, AMEN!

And finally, to everyone. Don't use the ignorance of some of the people in our religion, it's kinda low. Use people like RememberMyName and Numetal who actually have some idea of what they're saying.

Thank you

[Ganin713]

PS The first comment is directed at Frantic.

[1962guild]

it is true that a lot of the poppy christian music is lame. but, what a lot of people do is assume that that is the only type of christian music. 12 stones is awsome pillar tears on any band out there, and POD well there POD. isnt it true that they are doing like every other band and just writing about what they love? if JESUS CHRIST is what they love then let them sing about it. also why do people assume that christian bands are forcing religion on you? is it just becase of the words in their songs? cause if thats the case could christians start claiming that secular music is forcing sin down our throats? for all you people who believe out there keep strong! and for all you who dont believe, well jesus still loves you and wants you to come back into his arms. you are his children and he wants to be with you forever. I know i'll probably get some flac for this but you know what, i answer to the highest power so its all good. Just remember when it comes to christian music, dont judge the book by its cover, but the contents of its heart.

[MrLucky77713]

So, since this article is a biased peice of trash with no real points, just opinions. Seriously people, USE THE COLUMNS FORUM.

[nirvanafan11111]

we each have our own opinions of which we are entitled too but dnt trash things u dnt understand,don't trash things u dnt believe in and grow up.

[RatiugLink]

Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean I don't know anything about Christianity. I use to go to church, and quitting church was the most important choice I've ever made. Unlike many of you here, I actually know WHY I hate Christianity.

[RatiugLink]

I love how POD refer to us as "heathens" in one of their songs.

[RatiugLink]

That song is...

"Masterpiece Conspiracy", track 12 on their 2001 release, Satellite.

[corey182__]

really, all u ppl who are dissing Christianity and sayin how the KKK are full of Christians...sorry for this, but, the day the KKK are real Christians, they wont be the KKK no more..and those that say crap like Melchior who said "and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt" ur just an ignorant worthless piece of shit. be a little more open minded, im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ, ur just tryin to look like a bad ass

[corey182__]

im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ

^^ sarcastic

[Larry Walnut]

Its funny how you think christians are "forcing" christianity on you. Infact, you would probably LIKE for them to do that, that way you can have a justified hate towards christianity. Right now, you say songs like Masterpiece Conspiracy are calling you all "heathens" or whatever...lol...you have got to be kidding me. How about I go through all the other genres in music and look for some lyrics where they call all the women hoes or where they degrade white/black/etc people? Cause I guarantee you that my list would be a heck of alot bigger.

You WANT christianity to be forced on you. Fact is that it isn't being forced on you. If you think singing about the girl next door, rapping about all the women you've slept with, singing about all the pain you're going through, singing about the breakup with your girlfriend, are better sings lyrically...fine, great, more power to ya. BUT some people would rather focus on the good things in life. Not that the bad should be ignored, but it shouldn't be focused on.

People try soooooo hard to pin guilt or whatever on the christians...keep in mind, we are still human.

[gair182]

Well, this post obviously isn't about Christian Rock, it's about the never ending battle between those who believe and those who don't. Here's my piece of mind. I consider myself a Christian because I think that the example set by Jesus is the correct way to live - love your fellow man. I think we'd all get along fine if we didn't keep looking at the mistakes made in the past by fanatics and just accepted everyone else for who they are. As for religion as the root of evil in the world, again I say that fanatics who consider themselves religious zealots use their flawed interpretations as a shield so that when it comes time to point fingers, people don't say "A select group of idiots committed this crime" they say "(insert religion here) was the cause of this crime".

[sensesfail1878]

alright, if u people are so against christians and christian rock, then why the FUCK are u reading this article? ***in rejects

[issidvicious]

they read the article because it's on the FUCKING FORUM. YOU DUMB CUNT. Anyhow, it's impossible to believe that Christianity isn't being forced look at all the missionaries across the globe and let's not forget the slaughter of the "Red Man".

[bardboardbox]

i just want to say that i am a christian and that the reason why most christians want to convert people is that they can get in to a wonderful place called heaven and that for me the thing that saddens me the most is the fact that some of my friends who are non-christians are not going to be in heaven and we'll never see each other again that is the reason why us christians want you to convert.

[enigmajr]

what about bands like dead poetic, underoath, and bands like them. to me they're very hardcore. and guess what they're christians. christians can be good musicians. don't hate them because they believe in something and you're just to afraid of having to answer to all the crap you've done in your life.

[RatiugLink]

corey182__:
"really, all u ppl who are dissing Christianity and sayin how the KKK are full of Christians...sorry for this, but, the day the KKK are real Christians, they wont be the KKK no more..and those that say crap like Melchior who said "and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a cunt" ur just an ignorant worthless piece of shit. be a little more open minded, im sure u know everything about the Bible and the life of Christ, ur just tryin to look like a bad ass"

Oh, would you like me to back up my information, and PROVE that the KKK are a Christian group?

"Proclaiming a Message of hope and deliverance for White Christian America !

white pride
world wide

If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways; Then will I hear from heaven, will forgive their sins, and will heal their land II Chronicles 7:14"

The above is taken from the offical KKK website.

I actually research this shit before I babble about it.

[RatiugLink]

They are anti-non-Christian, white supremists.

[The1963Riffer]

Everyone....."Shut up and play your guitar!" - Frank Zappa

[Nytrus]

I agree totally with The1963Riffer. How many times do people need to be told. who cares if a band is christian or not, that should play a very small part in buying a cd or listening to a group. people should be listening to a group for the music they play not there religious background. same goes for all those christians who are too "righteous" to listen to good music. I am a christian and i just cant beleive how closed minded some christians can be, they give all christians a bad name.
POD has tons of good songs with "moral" lyrics but really, is the first thing you think of when you hear a great song, "man that guitar is hardcore", or "well, the song was good but I dont agree with what the band is saying about life so therefore, the band must be christian and must suck", people that think like this disgust me. thats all i gotta say.

[Nytrus]

Tell me this RatuigLink, why do you hate christianity? what have christians ever done to you? you act like youve been frikin martyred or something? talk about holier than thou.

[mcww1]

this is exactly everyting that I thought..... finnally someone agrees with me

[RatiugLink]

Nytrus:
"Tell me this RatuigLink, why do you hate christianity? what have christians ever done to you? you act like youve been frikin martyred or something? talk about holier than thou."

I sort of exaggerated before. I don't hate Christianity. I just don't like the way people think it's any better than another religion. "Holier than thou" is exactly the three words you can use to sum up Christianity. And actually, I haven't been martyred yet, but I lost quite a few friends simply because I told them I wasn't Christian. I've seen Christianity first hand, because I use to go to church. As I said before, unlike most people who dislike Christianity, I've actually joined and left it.

[Super BisDak]

i play rock music. i love christian/gospel music. christian rock ROCKS!

[RevelationStorm]

civildp1, you are a complete idiot. Obviously, you have no idea what a christian is, because, you condridict yourself. First of all, the KKK is not, by any means, a christian organization. And you obviously, haven't read the story of the "Virgin Mary" either. You are right, Mary never conceived jesus with the help of a male, but God promised her Jesus and that is why she is known as the "Virgin Mary." She didn't need a man. And Hitler, was probably the most anti-christian person that ever walked this earth. So whatever you are saying about him killing people in the name of jesus, is totally ridiculous and makes you sound like an idiot. So, if i were you, i would do some research on the KKK, read the bible (primarily the story of Jesus' birth), and go be a nazi and have a "chew" on their beliefs. You are not a christian (especially since you are opposing one users view that christians aren't terrorists). So again, you are an idiot.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

well i mean dont get me wrong, there are some BRUTAL stuff in some christian bands... but i hate them. just for the fact of how the lyrics are annoying... if they changed the lyrics outta religion theyd be much much better songs!(if ure catching my drift guys)

[corey182__]

who cares what they say, they may say they are Christians, but i guarentee there asses arent in church on sunday, that don't mean they are saved

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

^^ and revelation storm:
1)mary got wasted one night and got drunk and has a dream of gabriel
2)hitler was pro-christian(muslims and jews are supposedly the christian enemies)
and 3)yes, some of the most religious ppl in htis world ARE in fact terrorists cuz there willing to kill themselves

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

SO HA I WIN!!!

damn communists

[ad_lib_oz]

CHRISTIANITY ROCKKKKS!!...............
.......*cough*

[diablodude2000]

Listen, all you mutha****ers that say christian music sucks balls haven't heard P.O.D., Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot, or Five Iron Frenzy. Christian artists ARE NOT trying to cram it down you're throats. "Christians aren't shoving down you're throats, they're holding a knife to your throat and telling you to swallow", that is bogus. In the first place IT WAS YOURCHOICE TO LISTEN TO IT, so we may be trying to shove it all down your satanic throats, but it's like you are telling the band To shove it down your throat. Besides, most christian bands ARE pretty awesome. And NEVER DISS JESUS, he died on the cross for you.

[RevelationStorm]

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr, do you know how many different religions there are? if so, please write down the number and tell me, because yes, most religious ppl in this world ARE willing to kill themselves. However, christians (well TRUE christians) are not. Christians don't kill themselves ok? Stop trying to act like you know their religion cuz you don't. Oh and um, tell me how burning bibles, killing christians, committing suicide, and being leader of the Nazi's is "pro-christian."

[RevelationStorm]

And how is killing yourself terrorism?

[audioa540]

good article... but shouldnt have been written because of these idiots who know nothing of God or the Bible, if you are just gonna comment on here about how "christians are stupid blah blah blah" dont bother commenting

[bhall3000]

Non-believers, you cannot stop the power of Prayer...mock and diss all you want, but you will never, ever, and i mean in anyway, be able to stop mine or anyone else's prayers for you...Just remember that the Christ you hate and make fun of on this column, someone is taking your name to Him in prayer...So try to stop that.

[RevelationStorm]

yes I agree with both AudioA540 and bhall3000. If you're just gonna say christians are stupid, then don't bother posting.

By the way Audio A does rule, did you hear about them and their new Hands and feet Project?

[pinkerton]

Heres a funny thing, there is no God. And here is another funny thing, I'm a better christan than my chirstan friends. They drink, do drugs, and steal.

"You can not write a song that neither curses nor praises God."

***ing bullshit. How can I write a song that "curses or praises" somthing that doesnt exist?

"You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense)."

No. It doesnt make sence. Am I suppose to belive that I have a "soul" and that I will go to "heaven" or "hell" even though the only shred of evidence is that some people 5000 years ago said that we will? Why should we listen to this load of nosensical self contradicting shit that is out dated and obsolete. Christianity is no less a pile of bullshit than greek mythology, except it seems reasonable. And also, explain this, why has god's relation ship with humans become less and less active. People used to see god. God used to talk to people. How come god hasnt ever answered me? When was the last time a prayer of yours was answered reasonably? As in, direct, and imeadiant results. I don't want to hear "god works in mysterious ways". That bullshit. A good God doesnt tease and toy with his worshipers.

diablodude2000:
Listen, all you mutha****ers that say christian music sucks balls haven't heard P.O.D., Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot, or Five Iron Frenzy...
...And NEVER DISS JESUS, he died on the cross for you.

First of all, I've heard all of those bands and i dont like any of them. It's funny how agressive you are in trying to say you aren't agressive. but now, jesus. All right, jesus was a good person, but he was ***ing crazy. Seeing angles and thinking he was the son of "GOD" (who doesn't exist), and dieing on a cross basically because he was crazy. But, he was dedicated and had some great lessons. If I were to grade jesus as a person, he would get an A-, he was too crazy and died instead of continueing to teach.

Now, I'm going to turn this around now that I have vented my frustrations with this, I am going to say that religion isn't bad, it has been very good. It kept people from being primal murderus animals. I hate to sound like a pestimest, but I don't think humans are good enough creatures to behave well on their own most of the time. It's sad, but i honestly think its true.

[mrgeorge]

here are my opinions on this article:
Christian music will make an impact on this world- the proof is that it already has
terrorists are not christians
the kkk are not christians either they are just an immoral group claiming to be christian
dont be fooled by people that call themselves christian- many of you people posting and writing vulgar language and arguments are not acting like christians so start setting some good examples
many of you non believers somehow can manage to live your lives denying the life of Jesus. Jesus each one of you so much more than you could ever imagine so much that he died one of the bloodiest most gruesome deaths ever endured in history- and he did it willingly for you so that you could be forgiven and have a way into eternal life with him in heaven, but yet many of you still deny this- many of you out there have this feeling in your heart- a gaping hole aching for something but you dont know what to fill it with so you fill it with worldy desires-drugs, sex, pornography, profanity, suicidal thoughts- many of you are suffering this pain when all you have to do is believe in Jesus and accept him into your life and ask him to forgive you and then start living a different life
many of you will probably be angry with me for trying to "preach" in this thread, but if it saves one person, then that is one more person who will not have to suffer death and torture in hell but love and praise with Jesus in heaven.
id like to end with one last thought for you all-

If you died tonight where would you go for eternity? Heaven or Hell?

[pinkerton]

mrgeorge:
...If you died tonight where would you go for eternity? Heaven or Hell?

I would go pretty much to the ground untill my corpse rotted away, just like everyone else. Well, some people are cremated. But I do agree with you on this, the KKK are not christans just as Al Quida are not muslims.

[Swordmaster]

Saptor77:
i'm a christian. i listen to christian music, kutlas, switchfoot, deamon hunter, P.O.D., lost prophets, chevelle. all those guys.. its not that bad.. you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

good call, not only your life, the rest of eternity. Good article. Praise the Lord.

[mrgeorge]

pinkerton ill be praying for you even tho you probly dont want me to, i just dont understand how you cant believe in God or Jesus and what theyve done for us, what made or makes you deny them?

[shawn_cold]

When you write bad about other people's religion it would stir up alot of conflicts, a good example is this article see how many people insult each other religion.When dealing with religion please be careful, because you are say about someone's belive all i wound rate that this is a bad article.

[1962guild]

"would go pretty much to the ground untill my corpse rotted away"

If all we do is die and rott away and life has no purpose whats wrong with murder?

[HomeSlice1963]

im a born again christian. i like the debate it gives me much entertainment. call me stupid and insult and when you do just remember i told you what to do!!! have a day !


PS i dont like christian music cuz its cheesy.
the offspring rules

[HomeSlice1963]

bring the insults
yah
ahahaha
insult my beliefs
i just told all you ppl what to do
are you gonna do it?

[HomeSlice1963]

thwang

[)Eric(Draven]

I think its funny how christians are. They try to making you a believer and then if you're not they hate you because you're "wrong".

And then when you get mad at them for it, they say "god gave me free will and i'm trying to use it to his advantage" and then you're all like well god is bullshit and then they're liek "i hate you" and dont talk to you ever again.

Don't make religion your LIFE people. If you believe in god you believe in a big magical wizard int he sky bribing you to make him happy. It's like you're parents saying "I'LL LET YOU LIVE IF YOU DO EVERYTHING WHILE I SIT ON MY ASS AND WATCH TV ALL THE TIME. OH YEA, WHEN I HAVE TO POO AND PISS YOU HAVE TO TAKE ME"

[littlesoph]

oh geez...
nothing better than an irate christian...:rolleyes

[pinkerton]

mrgeorge:
pinkerton ill be praying for you even tho you probly dont want me to, i just dont understand how you cant believe in God or Jesus and what theyve done for us, what made or makes you deny them?

Alright, I'll explain it like this. I took a big step out, and looked at every religion from the perspective of an atheist. Christianity, jewdism, islam, Greek mythology, all that other anchient stuff. And It struck me, they are all equally wrong, where as I used to think they are all equally right. It wasn't like 'yeah, god ***ed me over so now i dont like him. My life sucks. whine whine whine.' sort of thing, it was more an coming to relize that it doesnt make sence and there is no evidence. If i could still belive, I would, simply because its easier, i can go to camp with my best friends, and I wouldn't be so scared of death. Now, I hope you can see why I think the way I do. And I don't mind you praying for me at all, because if I'm wrong (I kind of hope I am), then I am going to need all the help I can get.

Now, i have a few questions for you : Have you ever questioned your faith? How old are you? What denomination are you.

1962guild:
"would go pretty much to the ground untill my corpse rotted away"

If all we do is die and rott away and life has no purpose whats wrong with murder?

Life does have a purpose, to be good to others and make their life better. so whats wrong with murder : It's denying someone the joys of life. Music and Friends are my main joys in life.

HomeSlice1963:
im a born again christian. i like the debate it gives me much entertainment. call me stupid and insult and when you do just remember i told you what to do!!! have a day !


PS i dont like christian music cuz its cheesy.
the offspring rules

Alright, what made you go back? Im curius. Also, how old were you when you stoped beliveing? How old were/are you when you started beliveing again?

I've held back my biggest, most powerful statment explaning why religion has continued because it is rather insulting.

[funnyguitar]

hello for all you people out there that dissed christianity....you are complete idiots. im not here to preach abuot wat did happen and wat will happen, but if people know the truth, and they want to sing about it, even if you dont like it it counts to them and their fans, so how bout you sthu and get some love from your old short moma

p.s. jesus died for my sins and for all of your sins, beleive it or not, hes comin to rescue us..if you beleive.

[funnyguitar]

hey pinkerton, lay off the satanic magic and get a bible, read it.

[John Alexander]

Holy.... bunch of bologna. Figured, "holy" would work well for an introduction there. It's simple people. Let people believe whatever the hell they want to believe. No matter how silly, unreasonable, unfathomable, impossible, or retarded some of their beliefs may be. Just remember.. people who are religious.. Christian mainly.. they're the most stubborn, closed minded people you'll ever meet. An argument is pointless because it'll go nowhere. They all believe what happened in that big, book written 3,000 years ago. Even though half the stories came from people in the middle of the desert suffering from halucinations due to dehydration. BUT!! All the more reason to believe BROTHAS and SISTAS!! Oh "God".. just give it a rest already.

[John Alexander]

Oh yeah.. no one died for my sins, or your sins. He may have died, but it was mainly due to the fact a bunch of people said, "Hey Jesus.. we got your back man." And then they said, "Ahh, yeah.. you know about that having your back thing... yeah, that's not gonna work out." And who in the hell are you to tell someone what the "truth" is. Christians.. non-Christians. None of us no the truth. The truth isn't going to be found, because it's no supposed to be. If we REALLY knew how we got here, who knows what we could do with that knowledge. And I'm not talking just evolution, cause evolution has been proven by science already... silly Adam and Eve. Procreation is for people.

[NIRVANAMATT]

ok I think God is real first off, and ive seen all this stuff before. Same old kool people trying to get people to realize that life is all about fun and games and doing what you want and all that other sh*t. So you can all have fun but really dudes, in the end your just gonna leanr the hard way, so w/e have your fun no but it wont last and the more you indulge the worse itll be, and as for the article I think it was written very well. OH yea, why are we discussing this on a guitar website? Well w/e. I know where we came from and thats what I'll stand by the rest of my life. Music is awesome but no matter how many frontmen or rockers or w/e say how much they hate God, or anything associated with him I will stand by what i believe, so laugh it up and bring on the insults.
MATT

[muffin_man69]

ROCK. music of the devil dammit!!

[AusFender911]

Oi seriously why NOT be a christian? I mean if ur wrong and there is no god, u die like everyone else. So what. U'll be too dead to care about it. But if you're right u get to go to heaven while everyone else burns in hell. So shut up and go to church. Generally Christian ppl are happier than everyone else, i bet most of u "hardcore christian haters" will be shoving bibles down peoples throats when ur old. Even if u dont totally believe in god, at least the christian morals are decent to live by.

[pinkerton]

funnyguitar:
hey pinkerton, lay off the satanic magic and get a bible, read it.

Wow. I never once said anything the least bit stanic. And seeing as how i don't belive in anything at, I am going to assue that you are immature close minded prick, and not worth my time. I bet you have an "AIDS CURES FAGS" shirt in your closet.

John alexander, right on.

And AusFender911, I am not going to say in christian when i don't belive. It's as simple as that. I'm not a liar, I just an honest kid that completely lost faith and still plan on living a good life anyways.

[pinkerton]

ok, excuss the Typos, I haven't had any sleep yet.

[Dashd]

REAL christian musicians focus more on the lyrics and forget about the melody that is why even i (as christian)think christian music sucks. Now, there are a lot of musicians that are really good and just happen to believe in Jesus so since they have this love in their hearts they just want to share it with the world (without having to shove it down your throats), that's why you have this fist full of bands that say they're christian by faith and not by genre. Now this religion thing is a very complicated subject because it envolves politics, society and personal actions. To me it all falls under the freedom of speech. Let'em talk about Jesus all they want, if you don't agree with it just... don't. We're "free" to believe whatever we like right?

[d3vilst3v3]

here, let me clear some of this up. Christians beleive in one true God. They beleive that this God is the only way to reach heaven. They also beleive in something called "The Great Commission." this is a command that was given to the apostles by Jesus. They were to share his story (the Gospel) with others. The goal is not to convert as many as possible. it is simply to share and give somebody a chance to beleive. A lot of "christians" get it wrong. Even the bible says that people can only be saved if God puts it on their hearts. Anyway, if you found out that there was only one way to get to heaven wouldn't you want to tell someone?

[mizzy4787]

kapp:
6satan6rulz6

i just wanna say that i am a christian we don't force religion down your throats, we just live for jesus and wat you see of religion and wat we speak of religion is all coming from god. i agree with the muslim thing with the and if
you believe in a satan you believe in God, satan was a the angel of light, but he rebelled and now is the prince of darkness ask anyone, thats not the whole story though.

pinkerton wrote: I just an honest kid that completely lost faith and still plan on living a good life anyways.

how did you loose faith, i bet we can help you?

Music is a powerful thing, it shows emotions and feelings, and i agree with the love songs they can be put into context with the bible and loving God

So just respect people opinions

[d3vilst3v3]

btw,
Shut the hell up all you "christians" that say you can only act a certain way or look a certain way to find favor with God. I wear the black makeup and leather. is my purple hair gonna make me burn?

I'm a convert of later life (18). my tattoos won't send me to hell. Jesus is my fulfilment.

Simple as that.

[d3vilst3v3]

also, (i'm ranting, i know) we christians aren't any better than anyone else. we have problems to. time we admit that.

[fozzy_5674]

For everyone here, just take a minute to sit back and look at this forum... the number of people bashing christianity is about the same as the number of people advocating it. Im also really dissapointed that some of the lots of the people here can sum up the entire basis for their opinions in one line. Yes, I am a christian, and its the best decision that I ever made, Im happier now than I ever have been before. I havent always been a christian though, ive seen life from both sides and Ive come to this conclusion; Horrible things never come from people with an open mind, they eminate from those that arent willing to give anything other than what is already ingrained in their heads a chance. It all amounts to ignorance. I know im gonna tkae some insults for what ive written but i dont care, just please show a level of intelligence greater than "Jesus is a cunt".

~god bless~
you all....

[St.Michael]

bhall3000's first post pretty much sums it up. Any true believers that read this forum will be praying for you. Thank you to all those who are trying to have an intellectual debate, non-believers and believers alike. I also find it very interesting that the people who bash Jesus are simply putting one line, while those of us who have a firm grip on our religion and know what we're talking about have a fairly informative post. The KKK is not a Christian organisation, neither is the IRA. Mormonism is a cult, as is Jehovas Whitness, and the Church of Scientology. Before you bash on another persons God and beliefs, look into it a little before hand...you might be suprised by what you find...
btw...I am a practicing Catholic...we don't just discriminate

God Bless...we'll be praying]
-Brian

[Bubonic Chronic]

"First of all, there is no such thing as ?Christian? music. Music is just noise."

What a truly ignorant statement. Truly, utterly ignorant.

[dumbpunk]

First of all, there is no such thing as ?Christian? music. Music is just noise.

That is really ignorant, I agree with Bubonic Chronic on that. Music's original purpose was to be secular, the theories modern music is based upon was christian music. Non-Secular (non-religious) music was onced shunned against.

[Freepower]

i wonder if the guy who wrote this considers himself a christian?
If he does i would wonder why he call "sin and evil" the "most powerful" forces? Is this some branch of christianity where they believe there is no hope for humanity?
Im not a christian, but i dont have anything against them, so dont take that the wrong way.

[Encore_God]

ROCK. music of the devil dammit!!

Indeed. Rock came from the blues, which the Bible Belt morons called 'the devil's music' because of the tribal element to it (and probably because they were racist).

So the entire notion of Christian Rock is a very stupid one. If you wanna sing about God, cool,I'm all for that. But don't call it rock.

[WhiteKnight123]

I'm not trying to "bash" Christianity, but dispite what this article said, Christians DO force religion on people. Many of my Christian friends keep trying to convert me, because I'm wrong. When the pilgrims came to the "New World" as it was called, they killed Native Americans who wouldn't convert to Christianity (and often killed them anyway, how Christianly of them!). Don't tell me the ideas of Christianity aren't being forced. You don't know what it feels like to have those ideas forced on you.

Exactly

[stereo D]

I say that if you label your rock as Christian rock, you're kind of denying the whole music part of things. Sing about Jesus all you want, but it's not a new genre unless it's a new type of music. The lyrics don't make you better-in fact it seems to make the music worse, at least to me, if they are about God. It's hard to really rock out to someone yelling about Jesus, personally.

[WhiteKnight123]

wonder if the guy who wrote this considers himself a christian?
If he does i would wonder why he call "sin and evil" the "most powerful" forces? Is this some branch of christianity where they believe there is no hope for humanity?
Im not a christian, but i dont have anything against them, so dont take that the wrong way.

Basically its 99% of christianty is this....
And exactly why i stopped going to church

[AsCGuitarist]

The first music was the georgian chant by monks! That is very god related. Just a little information, also why are you guys on bashing god on a guitar site? Go play guitar! I believe in God but I dont force it upon people that is a stereotype also.. There are plenty of ROCK CHRISTIAN BANDS out there: Zao(Death Metal), Demon Hunter(Slipknotish), Disciple(Classic), Skillet(Nu-Metal), AS I LAY DYING(Emo-Hardcore)... I just named a band for every type of metal head out there so there is rock in christian music. Go ahead and bash me whatever...Just showing how stupid it is to bash something cause you dont like it.. I dont go out calling Satan a ball licker so why do we deserve this in return?

[Digital Taco]

haha

[uuxxbb]

OMG sAtaN ruLZ!!!!!111666

i actually used to play in a Christian band. it's just like any other band. you can either be good, or you can suck. we sucked becuase all we did was cover other songs (poorly) or let me write songs (more poorly). there are good Christian bands out there. lyrical content shouldnt disqualify a band from being good or automatically make them bad.

[RevelationStorm]

Bubonic Chronic:
"First of all, there is no such thing as ?Christian? music. Music is just noise."

What a truly ignorant statement. Truly, utterly ignorant.

Okay, you are a complete idiot. I guess, first of all, you have no clue what a god is and what different religions to to worship it. Music, however, is one of the primary worship techniques used in Christianity. The basic concept of christian music is to give God the praise He deserves (And people I am just letting you know the Christian religion considering i am one. I am not saying all other religions are stupid, I truly believe that people should be able to believe whatever they want). But, just to Bubonic Chronic, you have no idea what you are talking about when you say Music is just noise. Music is one of the most powerful forms of praise there is.

[RevelationStorm]

John Alexander: ...And I'm not talking just evolution, cause evolution has been proven by science already... silly Adam and Eve. Procreation is for people.

Okay, so, again, how come Apes aren't turning into humans anymore? All of the sudden it just stopped? Even if I wasn't a Christian I could believe that God created the earth (rather than some stupid coincidental "boom"), and that he made Adam and Eve (rather than sea creatures crawling up on land and turning into apes and somehow forming into humans). Evolution is one of the most ignorant theories of all time. It makes no sense whatsoever, and it is becoming less and less believeable.

[RevelationStorm]

And if you haven't noticed, apes (as well as all other living creatures besides humans) don't have what we call "souls." The only living creature that has a soul is the human. So how come all the other animals don't have souls anymore? and can't speak english? I mean, according to you evolutionists, we evolved from them right?

[RevelationStorm]

stereo D:
I say that if you label your rock as Christian rock, you're kind of denying the whole music part of things. Sing about Jesus all you want, but it's not a new genre unless it's a new type of music. The lyrics don't make you better-in fact it seems to make the music worse, at least to me, if they are about God. It's hard to really rock out to someone yelling about Jesus, personally.

Alright, I know you guys are probably sick of me and my "quotes" but I just can't stand to see completely ignorant posts like this. Dude, first of all, it is a completely new genre. Take Linkin Park for instance. The song "Runaway." Yeah, total rockness and singing out and drawing the crowds attention TO THE BAND. Nothing to do with Jesus there as we can see clearly. Now, take a band like Audio Adrenaline and one of their older songs actually entitled "Hands and Feet." That song is from a rock band (although the song itself isn't as rocky as most of their other stuff), however, it has nothing to do with a secular "Runaway" song (or any other secular song). It is focused completely on the ministry of Jesus Christ. And the point of the song is not to let the crowds get moshed and jump around screaming like morons because the band they're hearing totally rocks. But it is to draw people CLOSER TO GOD and make them want to be His "Hands and Feet" and go where He sends them in regards to ministry. So, therefore, Christian Rock is a completely different genre.

So there.

[Burn in hell]

AsCGuitarist:
The first music was the georgian chant by monks! That is very god related. Just a little information, also why are you guys on bashing god on a guitar site? Go play guitar! I believe in God but I dont force it upon people that is a stereotype also.. There are plenty of ROCK CHRISTIAN BANDS out there: Zao(Death Metal), Demon Hunter(Slipknotish), Disciple(Classic), Skillet(Nu-Metal), AS I LAY DYING(Emo-Hardcore)... I just named a band for every type of metal head out there so there is rock in christian music. Go ahead and bash me whatever...Just showing how stupid it is to bash something cause you dont like it.. I dont go out calling Satan a ball licker so why do we deserve this in return?

It is the Gregorian Chant you damned fool. I'm not christian but I study my music.

[Burn in hell]

RevelationStorm: Take Linkin Park for instance. The song "Runaway." Yeah, total rockness and singing out and drawing the crowds attention TO THE BAND.

If you can rock out to linkin park, you have some serious problems.

[RevelationStorm]

Um okay, it was an EXAMPLE Mr. Intellectual. I didn't say / can rock to Linkin Park, but they ARE a rock band and people DO rock with them.

[superdupergirl]

Everyone thinks they're superior, that they know for sure.

[Saptor77]

you ppl who are talkin crap and dissin all these christians have a big supprise comeing.. i sudjest you get ready.. what i'm tryin to say is u better get your life in order and get saved or go to hell..

[John Alexander]

Half of the non-christian people can't make a somewhat long argument, because they DON'T BELIEVE in that kind of thing. Therefore, they're not going to know a whole hell of a lot on the subject. Of course you people who attend Church everyday know all the in's and outs of the bible. But we non-christians still get the general idea. And we've still heard some of the same silly stories you did. Please don't say, "We can help.." that kinda crap scares people, and that's why everyone thinks you're all in a cult. I don't give a crap whether your Christian, Muslim, Jewish.. whatever. Just be a good person. My problem is, I've met alot of Christians who are supposed to be, "Happy". Then I found out that all their happiness is sometimes is just a great disguise for all other things that go wrong in their lives. Everyone has problems, and the PEOPLE who wrote the bible understood that. The bible.. the Koran.. etc. They are all tools for different societies to set morals for their lives. They're not real. It's just like reading a children's book, only alot older. We're supposed to gain values from it, and some people do. Religion is a way for people to cope with LIFE as a whole. You're programed as a little kid to believe what you're told. And why not believe that if you trust in God, and say your prayers and believe that Jesus died for you... you'll go to heaven. That's a great thing to believe. I just don't believe becasue I was lucky enough to be exposed to that sort of conditioning when I was younger. You lose a part of your intellectual self when you devote yourself to a religion. Now, there's a part of your life that you can't debate and you cannot change your mind on. It's something that no matter what happens, the opinion you may have on it will be wrong. I'm just not really up for that. Ohh.. and I don't really feel like getting up on Sunday's. Rather watch football. Cheers everyone... just respect people's religions... and RESPECT PEOPLE'S DISBELIEF in a religion. That's a big one.

[koneboy]

HEY ALL YOU GUYS READ THIS!!!!!!!

FIRST AND FOREMOST WHOEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE GOD BLESS SO GREATLY , AND I HOPE YOU MAY KEEP TELLING IT LYKE IT IS!

I'll tell you guys something! Firstly Christians arre not trying to SHOVE THEIR RELIGION DOWN YOUR THROAT! Whoever said that their christian friends are always trying to convert you , has the thought ever crossed your mind that they actually CARE ABOUT YOU AND WHERE YOU ARE GOING WHEN YOU DIE ? DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HEAVEN? Thats wat real love is ! And the guy who said DEMONSLAYER sounds like death, sex, drugs , think about it ! What does slayer mean ? Wat is a Demon ? Put 2 and 2 together , before you start making assumptions!

As for christian music as a whole, I totally agree with the person who said that we are radicals, which we are truly ! We will stand and be counted as fools for christ and we don't really care wat anyone says about us, and thats wat seems to irritate people the most! They see that because we don't care , they should just continue to take it out until we crack, and because we won't they just keep at it! all the people lyke that I feel for you and pray that your blindness will be uncovered one day!

And as for those who believe that christians are supposed to be perfect, tell me this ? Firstly are you totally perfect ? And secondly who in the history of Man right from the beginning with Adam and Eve was absolutely perfect besides jesus christ himself? Even the mightiest of men or woman in the bible committed sins you'd never even imagine! And yet you want to be the first to make the point that christians are'nt perfect they're just covering up! Fair and fine , we all suffer from temptation and sin , but some of us are just better at hiding it than others!

Oh and by the way, I think Christian music is a RADICAL MUSIC THAT WILL CHANGE THE WORLD! Lets take for example Hillsong Church if anyones ever heard of that. They've been going for nearly 20 years now and are one of the fastest growing churches in the world, and if you ever took time to listen to their music, you'd probably lyke it, but you just would not admit it , and you know that deep inside of you! Plus I think their lyrics talk alot more sense and have a practicality to our lives than some ordinary band .And yet i bet most ppl would rather listen to the worlds lamest band, just because their friends say that it ain't kul to go to church or be religious! Well i got A QUESTION FOR YOU MATE.....IF ALL THE BANDS IN THE WORLD WERE TO DIE TOMOROW WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO HEAVEN , YOU TELL ME ?

OH AND BY THE WAY , ALL THE INCUBUS FANS ...... do U EVEN KNOW WAT AN INCUBUS IS BEFORE YOU GO LISTENING TO THEIR MUSIC?

Hopes this helps you all!

[Bustedstuff880]

awesome article

[Burn in hell]

Well i got A QUESTION FOR YOU MATE.....IF ALL THE BANDS IN THE WORLD WERE TO DIE TOMOROW WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO HEAVEN , YOU TELL ME ?

You are a Fundamentalist/fascist bastard

[schlepper]

um, it helped me realize who i am not inviting to next years BBQ. anywho, why does everybody care rock is rock. its not like there a christian rock songs or option B that could be an easily definable genre like evildead rock. both christian rock and the evildead movies could have a profound meaning to somebody and to say one is horrible but you prefer the other is idiotic. that being said, while we are on the topic of idiocy, the title of the piece is jaw-droppingly absurd. Not to mention you tried to relay how ***in hardcore, not pansy as some may have believe, by comparing these chirstian rockers to jesus. I think that may be a bit of a stretch, as you of all people should know. I hope you weren't trying to infer that christian rock bands and in fact the rebellious, angst-filled sons of God. Ludicrous. Furthurmore, christian rockers may not stuff religion down the throats of those who dont want to hear it, but many christians do. W ends his speeches with God bless america, prolifers murdering doctors (its irony on the base level, but I like it) endless constipatingly cheesy bumper stickers. Its not the rockers, its the people they are associated with. The bottomlime is, if you are fine with being christian and listening to christian rock, good, do it, but present me with this drivel to dull my mind as well

[RevelationStorm]

Burn in hell: You are a Fundamentalist/fascist bastard

Couldn't think of anything else to say could you? No oppositional requisition? Well, don't know if you like these bands but I'll give you a few who most likely ain't makin it through the gates of Heaven: Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Slipknot, Iron Maiden, Good Charlotte, etc. You couldn't think of anything else to say to Koneboy's statement could you? Nothing except that he's against heavy metal secular bands. We just don't like bands who talk abou killing themselves, having sex, doing drugs, worhsipping Satan, and so forth, just accept it ok? You don't have to go cussing at people and saying that they are for dictatorship. All that does is proves that you are a complete liberal idiot.

[BOYLEDF]

Christian music is awesome! Good read.

[RevelationStorm]

John Alexander.....I have nothing to say to you except that you are an idiot. Everyone can clearly see that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your point proves nothing of the matter at hand.

[Dashd]

Oh! another thing... No one criticises Madonna and other artists for following the Kabala (or whatever that's called). If I start judging musicians by their religions just because i don't like or don't agree with it i'll never listen to music ever again...

[rancidrocker]

I'm a christain I think that Chirstain music well... sucks. I'm also a punk, and hang out with not just other Chirstains but Anti-Christ's and Anthiest's and I let them be, so whoever said we try toforce our religeon down other people thrats needs to hang out in the underground for a while.

[JamesV]

....If a love song was sung by a Hindu, would that be a Christian message? No. Love has little to do with religion. If there was no religion, there would still be love.

[RevelationStorm]

JamesV:
....If a love song was sung by a Hindu, would that be a Christian message? No. Love has little to do with religion. If there was no religion, there would still be love.

What?!?!

[kissmybass]

christian music is deffinatly its own genre. i myself am a christian and dont really appreciate people bashing others for what they believe in. whatever you believe is fine with me and i think that some people need to maybe be a little more understanding and open minded. some of my athiest friends try and argue with me about the whole issue but yunno whatever floats your boat. i figure your the same person no matter what religion you are so why try and convince someone that theyre the wrong religion, when there really isnt any, it all depends on how you were raised to believe- its just their decision and you havta be tolerant of that. personally i dont think that all christian music is that great, but some of it is pretty ok and the lyrics make sense. i dont necasarily think that it crams religion down ur throat though. some christian music focuses the lyrics on scripture and the bible which may make it seem as though its forced in your face- it all depends on the artist and how you view their lyrics. i also dont think its good to stereotype some of the music. some people may like a band and dont know that its christian or not. some people that i talk to never knew that P.O.D. or Creed were christian bands, even though they arnt christians, it doesnt mean that theyre not going to like the band anymore.

Well, don't know if you like these bands but I'll give you a few who most likely ain't makin it through the gates of Heaven: Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Slipknot, Iron Maiden, Good Charlotte, etc.

i dont know about Good Charlotte- i read somewhere that they started off as a christain band but even if you didnt know that and do now- it doesnt really change your opinion of the music- does it? i dont know if you get my point but it doesnt matter wheather the music is christian or not- if you like it you do- if you dont, you dont. dont stereotype it on like "oh thats christian so its gonna suck" listen and judge it on how you understand it and what you like.

[dumbpunk]

RevelationStorm:how come Apes aren't turning into humans anymore? All of the sudden it just stopped? Even if I wasn't a Christian I could believe that God created the earth (rather than some stupid coincidental "boom"), and that he made Adam and Eve (rather than sea creatures crawling up on land and turning into apes and somehow forming into humans). Evolution is one of the most ignorant theories of all time. It makes no sense whatsoever, and it is becoming less and less believeable.

I must say, you are a complete and utter moron. Humans did not come from apes. We did not come from anything living on this earth right now. That is why finding the "missing link" is so important. The "missing link" is what evolved into apes and humans. Evolution doesn't mean you turn into something else. Its a gradual mutation that occurs over hundreds of thousands of years and even millions. A good example is how we are evolving to lose our pinky finger. Over thousands of years, every few generations, our pinkies become shorter. Eventually (over hundreds of thousands of years) they will disappear.

[RevelationStorm]

Dude, that made no sense. First of all, Hinduism isn't Christian anyway (duh! what the heck were you thinking there?). Secondly, love is about 50% of Christianity. When Jesus walked the earth, he didn't go around preaching "Okay, I want every Christian to go shove a bunch of Christain teachings down everyone's throat." No, instead His message was love. "Love one another," "Love thy neighbor," "Love those that hate you," And most importantly, Christians love their God, and they write what you secular people call "love songs," only WE write them to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. So uh, in Christianity I know for sure, that love plays a huge role in Christian music.

[CryingNut]

" I would not advise underestimating this Jesus Freak generation "
i felt this was quite offensive

judging Christians this way is like judging white ppl as murderers/terrorists based on few white ppl who did bad things in the past

if some ppl feel Christians are "shoving" or puttting a knife over their throat so that they would swallow, i am sorry you feel that way.

there are some Christian music that have good melody and lyrics. try listening to United Hillsong, they are not a band but a worship team

[RevelationStorm]

i dont know about Good Charlotte- i read somewhere that they started off as a christain band but even if you didnt know that and do now- it doesnt really change your opinion of the music- does it? i dont know if you get my point but it doesnt matter wheather the music is christian or not- if you like it you do- if you dont, you dont. dont stereotype it on like "oh thats christian so its gonna suck" listen and judge it on how you understand it and what you like.

Dude, you missed my entire point.

[Jessen]

You are a Fundamentalist/fascist bastard

How so?

Great article and intresting, but alittle over zelous comment by knoeboy.

[kissmybass]

RevelationStorm:

i didnt like mean anything against your point,i got your point clearly. i was only using that quote to evaluate my point to people in general- it wasnt directed to anyone in particular.

[Valhalla]

I believe.

[DonFelipe]

...this is kinda funny... NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD READ ALL OF THESE POSTINGS... and that shows...because we're all starting to repeat ourselves...

Rock hard, or go play something else

[m1dl1f3cr1s1s]

if someone had a muslim rock band and people bashed on it they would be labeled as intolerant, but if you wanna make fun of christians, go right ahead

[monkeyslave]

I bet a bunch of you people who are saying christian music sucks probably listen to it on the radio anyway .. like Switchfoot, Relient K, Thousand Foot Krutch .. ect

[chalsi]

"There is no wrong religion. God is praised in many forms (Buddha, Allah, etc.), and they are all the One God. After all, Jesus was a Jew. It's not how you praise, it is just that you have faith (6satan6rulz6, grow up). Christianity is just one of those forms. Jesus forgave all of those who crucified Him before He died, I don't think that I could do that, but I try.
-----whoever wrote this,a so called practising christian....what a fool.thought you'd know that only way to god is through jesus christ.

to those who bash religion,*** you.

christians can be their own worst enemies,they try convert people yes,that's their purpose in the world but some do it in a very "unchristian" way,dont hate christianity because of mans own mistakes , you can't expect christians to be perfect , no one is, some think they are of course but that doesn't mean all christians are the same as the stereo typical ones some of you talk of.i myself am not religious but i undrstand christianity and think that before you go and make your foolish oppinions heard , perhaps you should find out a bit about what your talkin about.the opinion of an ignorant fool has no depth or meaning let alone truth.if there are terrorist christians out there they are not living the way their religion wants therefore aren't christians.i haven't yet heard a christian band that i like,but respect to those who stand up and voice something like that,that's "rebelious".

and btw don't let one bad religious experience put you off,learn about everything you can.

[MyTimeHasCome]

u know what ive been christian my whole life and i never once thought about secular music as crappy, i dont agree with sum of the lyrics and i listen to half of them like disturbed so why dont u all shut ur mouth and listen to whatever music u want
nobady cares i dont criticize people who head bang to opera and just jam along with them,so people if u hate us christians and hate the music, have fun burning in hell, otherwise go to heaven and have eternal life, its ur desicion, u have ur whole life, dont waste it....
P.S. TFK ROX!!!!

[MyTimeHasCome]

AND WHATS IS IT WITH U PEOPLE CANT U HAVE BETTER STUFF TO TALK ABOUT, JEEZ U ALL NEED TO TALK ABOUT SUMTIN PRODUCTIVE IDK THE OZONE LAYER OR MAYBE UR OWN LIFE JEEZ CANT U LIVE UR OWN LIFE AND QUICK BASHING EVERY ONE ELSES!?!?! and i just wan to say to these christains out there arguin u guys rock see u up in heaven

[orcutt989]

Why do you need to make an article about Christianity? Why didnt you make it about Muslim music, or Buddhist chant. What is the matter with people? Yes, Christians are sooooo much radicals, promoting chastity, and morals, whereas "Hardcore", and "Punk" promotes things that are unconsentual as sex.....This person has been brainwashed, i warn all of you, to steer clear of these types of people, or you will loose your own sense of who you are, and what the world is like.

[orcutt989]

BTW, Jesus was/is not a cunt "pepsi_is_evil", is a cunt. "I listen to Slipknot. I'm what they call "HARDCORE!" People like you burn.

[orcutt989]

And I apologize for any disrespect of any religion this article has caused, but religion in general, can be compared to government. People can not deal without it, people cannot take care of themselves, it was tried, ever heard of Anarchy? People like Joseph Stalin tried to make everyone Atheist, but while he was killing people for no reason, they still needed hope, and therefore clung to their beliefs, people need hope, no matter if it's just personal beliefs, or a belief that a god or gods will cheirsh them in some abyss because they have lived a moral and ethical life , or that their deceased loved one is still "alive" and in hope that they will once again see that person again. THIS ARTICLE WASNT ARGUING RELIGION ANYWAYS, I ONLY MADE THIS STATEMENT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE IDIOTS POSTING.

[Burn in hell]

All of these comments (including mine) is exactly why in a democracy church is seperate from state.

[Leaves99ToFind1]

Alright... for all of you people who are sitting here saying that you have been offended by christians beacuse they are trying to "force it down your throats"... You all think it is offensive when they put down your beliefs (or non-beliefs for that matter) about creation and life and everything else. We, as christians, think the same thing. I find it offensive when people say things and call my Lord a "cunt" etc. I can't believe that people can be this inconsiderate and hypocritical. If you don't like it when people put down the way you view religion etc, then why do you do the same exact thing? If you don't like christianity or christian music, then go somewhere else or to a different site. You don't have to be here reading what we say about our beliefs, so don't say we're "forcing it down your throats."

Oh and to "Mytimehascome," you are so right. See you up there!

[13JimmyPage13]

one thing buddha was a philosopher who died he is not a god

[Leaves99ToFind1]

Oh and to all those people who claim to be christians and are cussing out other people and responding with hate. Don't you know that the example Christ set for us was love? You're all so determined to try to get others to believe and go to heaven as well, but you still sit there and try to scream at them. Why would they want to be christians if all christianity is, is being mean and cursing other people. Just do what God tells us to do in the bible and when we are persecuted, turn the other cheek. People are going to be more willing to follow us if we set a good example. The way you act can send someone to hell, think about it. Someone watching you curse others and then say you're a christian could be turned off to the religion and then never have the opotunity of going to heaven. If you're so determined to "save the world" then start with yourself.

[cloudsquall17]

u guys comeon. fighting leads to more fights. Christians are concerned for your soul and wether ull die a second time. we care about you, were not forcing it upon you. its a decision you have to make on your own. the decision comes from within and its a total change of heart. its the most important thing in a persons life-its Jesus Christ. you have to love God with all your heart body mind and soul.

[RevelationStorm]

I completely agree with Leaves99ToFind1, alot of you christians out there are presenting yourselves to be no better than the ones you criticize. You are telling them that christians are supposed to love, and that they don't "cram in down your throats," and yet you are cussing people out and telling them they should listen to bands like P.O.D., Thousand Foot Krutch, etc. I'm not saying that you guys are just ignorant, I'm just saying lighten up a little bit and show that you are christians. Now for a little more positive side, for all you christians out there standing for your beliefs and taking ignorant, pointless criticisms from ignorant, pointless people, great job. See you in heaven.

[Wolfpack07]

Amen Leaves99ToFind1, to your posting and your name.

Look at this way of looking at Christ that i got from a good friend.

"dont like religion? yeah,me either. just the thought of having to say certain words or be something you just arent...doesnt sound like much fun to me! thats what i love about Jesus. i dont have to do anything special to earn His love. its just...there for me, forever.and for you too, you know. and its great because i dont have a
"religion." i have a relationship. the most incredible relationship with the most amazing guy to ever set foot on earth!! and He loves me so much that He died so that i can live! but i dont mind sharing Him, cuz He died for you too.He loves you just as much as He loves me! oh guess what? Hes alive now bc thats just how cool He is. what more could you ask for? have you ever had someone die for you then be resurrected? yeah,me either. oh,except for the love of my life. Jesus."

Have any of you ever thought of it like that?
Not as a Religion, but a relationship.

[GuitrFrk777]

RevelationStorm:
Dude, that made no sense. First of all, Hinduism isn't Christian anyway (duh! what the heck were you thinking there?). Secondly, love is about 50% of Christianity. When Jesus walked the earth, he didn't go around preaching "Okay, I want every Christian to go shove a bunch of Christain teachings down everyone's throat." No, instead His message was love. "Love one another," "Love thy neighbor," "Love those that hate you," And most importantly, Christians love their God, and they write what you secular people call "love songs," only WE write them to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. So uh, in Christianity I know for sure, that love plays a huge role in Christian music.

I am totally with RevelationStorm on this issue. The whole Christian music issue as a matter in fact. He really has some divine things to say. Leaves99ToFind1 as well. You guys both, rock on. Stay pumped for Jesus. You guys rule.

[GuitrFrk777]

Burn in hell:
All of these comments (including mine) is exactly why in a democracy church is seperate from state.

Burn in hell, your name says it all man. So why don't you quit posting on here?

[13JimmyPage13]

I feel so sorry for so many of you. I am looking in on this site on a friend's computer and found the writings fascinating. There are a few things I would like to clear up. Christianity can not be forced on anyone. Chosing to become a Christian is just that a choice. Of course there are people who say are Christian because of how they feel others will respond to them, but that is not what make a Christian a Christian. One must chose Christianity with a free heart. Forced belief is not true belief. Another thing: Christians are not better than others. They are people who are bad and know it. They accept that they have done things and will probably continue to do things that are hateful, hurtful, and harmful. They are will to face these flaws and ask for forgiveness. And they promise to try to do better in the future knowing that they will not be perfect. They are particularly grateful that the penalty for these mistakes has already been paid and all they have to do is accept the free gift of the payment. The gift will be received only after they have died, but the joy they feel is very noticeable. A real Christian cannot have been forced to make this choice nor would he think he is "better" than anyone else.
A friend of 13Jimmy13

[crimsonstains]

you can?t sterotype Christianity as you can?t with any other religion. No one is perfect. Every religion has had the same ppl in the past and present that give their religion a bad name. No one is to judge whos going to hell and who isn?t either. Only God can do that. Yes there are Christians who try to shove Christianity down your throat, who cuse, have sex, do drugs, steal, cheat, whatever. Maybe they are chrisitian maybe they?re not. It doesn?t mean its right though. Jesus was the only perfect example we have of how to act and its every persons choice whether they do it or not. There?s also Christians who don?t do that stuff. One of the men who died on the cross next to jesus was a thief and a murder and jesus? words to him were ?you will be with me in paradise?. If that were to happen today. I bet the majority of ppl would say he would go to hell, but nope he went to heaven. Being Christian doesn?t mean you?re perfect it means you?re forgiven. So ppl here can stop putting down Christians and everyone else. Just give it up and love. Jesus died for you.

[Leaves99ToFind1]

RevelationStorm, I am so with you on eveything you say!! You're awesome!

[GuitrFrk777]

DonFelipe:
...this is kinda funny... NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD READ ALL OF THESE POSTINGS... and that shows...because we're all starting to repeat ourselves...

Rock hard, or go play something else

this is also kinda funny...apparently you aren't in your right mind. Because, according to you, anyone who reads all these posts and writes stuff on here isn't in their right mind. And evidently YOU have, otherwise how would you know we are repeating ourselves?

[RevelationStorm]

lol

[crimsonstains]

i realized this thing is really about christian music and i didn't say nething about it above so just go to christianrocklyrics.com and there is like an unlimited list of awesome christian rock bands but i will name a few favs... Kutless, Third Day, Skillet, Audio Adrenaline, Jeremy Camp, evanescence, switchfoot, spoken, David Krowder Band, Relient K, Jars of Clay, Blindside, Thousand Foot Krutch, and i could go on with that list... but if you haven't heard the majority of these bands you can't say christian music sux... if all you hear is what they play on the radio, then sure i'll agree with you, but i listen to any kind of rock from jimi hendrix to the beatles to 3 doors down and matchbox 20 and christian music rocks

[RevelationStorm]

crimsonstains, dude you go man, however, i can't say I agree with you about Evanescence being christian. I mean they might claim themselves to be, but their songs sure don't prove it.

[AlexisLalas]

it's all about beliefs. if you don't believe, or if you are not a christian, maybe you will never understand. but christian music has some great bands of all genres: emo, punk, hardcore, heavy metal, trash metal, pop, dance, soul, hip-hop, rock-pop, jazz, etc.

[RevelationStorm]

You know, it's just hard for me to put trash metal and christian music in the same statement (unless they are opposing each other). To me, "Christian trash metal" is an oxymoron.

[lp_mayer_guitar]

pinkerton, i am a christian and your friends that drink and smoke and all probaly aren't faithful to their religion. i live a pretty good clean life and god always has watch over me but suppose you are right. suppose there is not god. well, i will die and just rot in the corpse having lived a good life at least. but suppose im right, you may have lived a joyful life full of sin but if you never did accept jesus christ as your lord and savior you're going to spend an eternity in hell.

[AlexisLalas]

i ment trash metal as the music genra, not as the lyrical content of many of the trash metal bands, that with the "aggression" that the bands apply to the music. fast guitar tempos, fast drums. it's all about the music.

[JesusFreak_417]

ok, refering back to tremonti0076, "ok all you ***holes who think Jesus and Christianity is crap especially Mr. Melchior, all you are gonna burn in hell if you don't except Jesus. just wanted you to know that," dude, i agree with where your going with that, but don't forget, the bible tells us not to hate one another, but to show love even to those that put us down, (paraphrasing, something along those lines.) Yes i am a christian, and i personally DO like christian rock, (yes there IS such a thing, some people just may not realize it.) Also refering back to some other dude who's name i don't remember, he said something along the lines of, "and for those of you out there who don't believe in God, i'll be praying for you, even if you don't want me to, there isn't anything you can do to stop me" etc. For all of you out there who think, forgive me lord, christ is a cunt, you ARE entitled to your own opinion, but you shouldn't judge people and their beliefs without knowing what your talking about. Heck, you shouldn't judge people at all. Anyways, i'd just like you all to know i'll be praying for you, and i hope to the lord on high that you reconsider your thinking. so, yeah, i think that's about it (all.)

[crimsonstains]

koneboy: OH AND BY THE WAY , ALL THE INCUBUS FANS ...... do U EVEN KNOW WAT AN INCUBUS IS BEFORE YOU GO LISTENING TO THEIR MUSIC?

ok i listen to incubus and love them and yes thank you very much i know what an incubus is... its the demon of dreams. that still doesn't change the fact their music is amazing and their lyrics aren't that bad... yes they have some cus words but overall they're main message is good. and just because i listen to them doesn't mean i'm not a strong christian.

[illicium_1]

many of you show your ignorance every time you post something. LEARN...then THINK before you talk. Everyone should at least respect one another as human beings. by the way...I most definitely Believe in God and Christ Jesus. many of you gripe saying we should keep our mouthes shut and not try to convert other people...(you guys call it "forcing it on you")...you tihnk we should keep it to ourselves because we "shouldnt all be the same and should be individuals....HAH! get your bible...and if you dont have one...borrow one...read it...it tells us to "go into the world preaching and teaching the word of God"...its a command from God himself to spread the word...we are only doing what we are told...and we (as christians) try to talk to other people that may not believe in God...because we care about them and dont want to see them go down the wrong path...we all want to share heaven together...when someone tries to talk to you about Jesus...its because they love you...try to make yourself listen once or twice...ya never know...it might not be what you thought...

[joeh20_444]

It's funny how the people on here claiming to be Christian are cursing worse than the people who are openly against it, and with all the "you're gonna burn in hell" and stuff like that. All that's doing is proving everyone else's ideas right. I personally am a Christian, but only because I also studied Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism and other religons before I found one that worked. I have strong beliefs, but I try not to impose them on anyone. Nobody has the right to do that. As far as Christian rock goes, I know that it really does exist, but it kind of sucks. Unfortunately, it seems that all Christian music is about a step, musically and lyrically, below what the "secular" music is. That's a shame, because I wouldn't mind listening to Christian music, but I like my music to be... I don't know... musical. Now I'm not going to stereotype and say that every single Christian band sucks, because thats not true, but I find the majority of it very shallow. I think that its time for Christians to actually act like their religon says for them to and also for non-christians to make sure that they don't be hypocritical and try to impose their own beliefs on other people.

[Jacksonjosh]

christian rock blows nutz!

hail satan!

[???????]

CHRISTAIN ROCK IS GREAT!!!

[TheSuperman2000]

The KKK proclaim to be Christian, but I believe them to be a cult like the Mormons and JWs.

WTF!!!!

First of all. If your going to say Mormon's are part of a cult....than check out religion period EVERY RELIGION IS A CULT. A "cult" is a group of people who avidly follow a view.

Second.....KKK shouldn't even be near Mormonism. One of the main reasons Mormons were persecuted in Missouri was because they had no slaves and they let black people be free on their land. Yes, I know that the church didnt get em ne power till the seventies, but that was a thing through christian readings....THEY DIDNT PERSECUTE AND HANG THEM!!!!

Anyway. Christian Rock isnt for me. I cant get into the lyrics (even if i am Christian).

[element_god]

In my opinion,christian rock music is terrible.I cannot stand it.One because it's silly to scream out "GOD RULES!" and secondly I'm not a christian.I don't understand the concept of Christian Rock music.Most Christians(They are called Holiness Christians,they live by the bible to the exact wording,so technically they're the real christians unlike a Baptist,etc.) think it's wrong to listen to Christian Rock music.It's blending in with the worldly music.Oh by the way,I used to believe in the beliefs of Christianity,that there was a god.But soon around my age of 12 I slowly drifted away from Christianity and proved to myself that there isn't a god.I know about Christianity,so no one can tell me I should go read the 10 lbs book only good to keep important papers from flying off your desk and to use as rolling papers incase you run out.I believe that ALL religions are just something made up so no one would be afraid to die and/or afraid of life itself.All beliefs are odd if you think about it,especially Christianity.

[pinkerton]

Element god, you just said everything I belive, in every, single, way.

[steeleeeman]

pinkerton ive been reading some of your posts ur one of the few making intelligent coments. u say god doesnt exist, there isnt sufficient evidence, isnt the fact that you are alive, that there is life evidence for god in itself? i think you said back there aswell that god isnt moving these days, and that before god spoke to people physically. I can tell u now, from first hand experience God is alive, he is all around us and i have experienced his presence. Im not saying im holy, or im a better person than any of you, far from it! i am sinner, the difference between me and you is that i am safe in the knowledge that i have been forgiven, i dont need to feel guilty for the stuff ive done wrong. but thats just a part of christianity, the fact is that God gave us life on earth in the first place, it was up to him whether we lived or not, and it is up to him when we die. on top of giving us life, he then sent his son to die for us so that we could have eternal life in heaven. When u think about it like that, u realise that we owe our all to god, we owe him our lives. its not that god is here for us just in case we need him u know, but that because of his love for us he gave us life, and all he asks is for us to love him back and worship him, thats the least we could do for him, and the least he deserves! sorry if i made this longwinded, im not forcng my opinion on u i just ask u to here me out.

[twocenttip]

HOLY CRAP!
I have never written for this site before, and in a few short days i have more posts than I can read! Is it not amazing how religion and the name of Christ stirs up this much controversy? hmmmm...
ps: rembermyname: Bro, there is only ONE true religion. Sorry. Christ said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. NO ONE comes to the Father but through ME.' Bottom line. PX is the ONLY way to Heaven.

[bigboi82]

twocenttip i beleive just like you...He is the only way.oh yeah...nowhere in the constitution does it say anything about separation of church and stae.THhe thing with that is,whoever decided it thought since the constitution doesnt have any religious comments in it,that the government and religion must be separate.But the foundation of our country(USA)was based on Christian beleifs,so why were we taught about separation??The government lies,ladies and gentlemen.
They above any1 force issues down our throat.

[Digital Taco]

hahaha, RevelationStorm is hilarious. Don't try and disprove evolution if you don't understand what it is. A bunch of gorillas didn't just up and decide to wear tshirts and be humans. It's genetic mutations and survial of the fittest, over thousands and thousands of years. Monkeys didn't evolve to look like, or act like, humans because it wouldn't be beneficial to them. A monkey born without a tail would have a harder time in the jungle and hanging out in trees, and would definately not be the fittest monkey. His no-tail genes wouldn't survive in the long run. Being human seems to work for us, though.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

hey uh... revelation storm...Hitler was a christian, he killed ***JEWS*** u know, with the beanies and the candles and the no jesus? yeah hitler killed those guys, and yes my parents are christian,i was meaning to say kill themselves for their religion, so my bad on that 1

[RevelationStorm]

Digital Taco, that wasn't my point, my point was that howcome nobody's evolving anymore? How come we still don't see it? And the pinky finger thing is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Human Beings are the same today as they were when Jesus walked the planet, we have the exact same features, etc. So tell me, how come evolution just stopped. And don't try and put it any "Well it takes millions of years" crap on me. Cuz that junk makes us want to believe less and less that evolution is real. And yes, my uncle is an evolutionist, i have a pretty grasp on the concept.

[RevelationStorm]

Okay, Spl!nTerRgu!tAr, you obviously don't know what a jew is. In case you didn't know, JESUS himself was a Jew, in fact He was King of the Jews. Dude, you need to seriously research Judaism before you go posting that they are so anti-christian. Any of you who think Hitler was a christian have no idea what a christian or what a Nazi is. They are practically like oil and water, they don't mix.

[RevelationStorm]

Okay, to all you people who say we didn't come from apes or monkeys, then either you aren't evolutionists or just completely igorant. You obviously don't know the study of evolution. Go look at any scientific chart on evolution and you will see monkeys gradually evolving into humans. Go look in any encyclopedia and you will see the same. You guys sound like idiots when you say "Okay dude, first of all, we didn't CHANGE into anything, it's gradually mutation that occurs...blah blah blah..." Okay now wait, we didn't just change into something right? But now what is evolution? Here is just one definition that I got: A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. So all you people are doing is making complete fools out of yourselves and making evolution look like something out of Aesop's Fables.

[J4320]

Ever find it strange how noone has ever found a missing link and everything that has been claimed to be missing link was false? What proof of evolution do we have?

[RevelationStorm]

Exactly, you guys have so many missing links and yet you are determined that evolution is true. You claim that evolution has proven to be correct but you still have missing links. How can it be proven?

[bc2skaterpunk]

Look, Christian or not give 'em a listen cause they have some good stuff otherwise it's called prejudice. CHRISTIANS RULE- RELIENT K IS THE BEST

[JesusFreak_417]

wait, revelationstorm, like, i agree with the viewpoint of there wasn't any evolution, but it seems to me that in these last two statements you made you were arguing for both sides. maybe i'm just being ignorant. I don't know, you tell me.

[DaveDaThrasha]

gawddamn, readin those posts took me a while.... and ill admit i skipped many of them... but heres my piece.. christian music has nothing wrong in the music inherently.... believe what u want, sing what u want, hell alot of these christian bands have some cool as shit guitar riffs.... the problem is in the name... as long as we stuff everything into these subgenres that do nothing but segregate... well have nothing but sick flamers bein fags in the forums... thats my post... enjoy... and enjoy flamin it cuz i kno u will

[RevelationStorm]

JesusFreak_417:
wait, revelationstorm, like, i agree with the viewpoint of there wasn't any evolution, but it seems to me that in these last two statements you made you were arguing for both sides. maybe i'm just being ignorant. I don't know, you tell me.

How does it seem to you that I am arguing for both sides? The part about saying that evolution is gradual change, I wasn't saying that it actually happened. I was just explaining the definition of evolution to these people who claim to be evolutionists because the contradict themselves. In the second statement I was simply agreeing with J4320 on the "missing links" part.

[DaveDaThrasha]

and to make one note to those of u who will slag me an shove this down my throat... just try, and ill shove a knife down urs.... sing what u want, but u push ur religion on me... i will find... and kill all of u... u polute the world... muslims are terrosists, christians are terrorists, jews are terrorists, lets all hop on one big plane an crashinto one big building, becuz u cant have world peace becuz of the moronic nature inherent to the human species

[RevelationStorm]

DaveDaThrasha, dude you are making a complete idiot out of yourself. The stuff you say makes you sound so utterly unaquainted. If I were, I'd stop the threats now. It only makes you seem more un-intelligent.

[JesusFreak_417]

hey, dude, until_it_sleeps, christ DOESN'T want to kill those who don't believe in him, but retards like tremonti interperate the bible like that. He's being ignorant. Christ loves you whether or not you believe in him, and he will still do anything for you, if only you ask it of him and you have faith that he is the one true God and not just some traveling magician. and tremonti, by saying stuff like that your driving people away from Christ, not bringing them closer to him.

[JesusFreak_417]

by the way, revelationstorm, i totally agree with what you said a couple of days ago, how can you be "pro-christian," and try to murder other christians simply because they are christians. (i.e. hitler)

[JesusFreak_417]

hey uh, pinkerton, do you think Christ just went up to the roman's and said, "oh hey, why don't you all crucify me for what i teach?" NO, he didn't. Now, yes he did know that he was going to have to die for what he tought and for the lost people, and yes he was willing to do this. And it's not like he just died and that was the end of it. The bible says that he rose again on the third day, and he was recieved up into heaven, and he sat at the right hand of God. So in NO way whatsoever did he just die because he was crazy, he did it because he loved each and every one of us, INCLUDING YOU. anyways, i'm prayin for you.

[JesusFreak_417]

alright revelationstorm, thanx for clearin that up for me. sorry.

[barn_04]

how are christians terrorists???
if i recall correctly it is this christians that are being persecuted in other countries,NOT CHRISTIANS PERSECUTING THOSE WHO ARENT CHRISTIANS!!
And u dont have to believe in hell to go to it,u know.
and all those who call them self christians on this forum..u shouldnt be cursing at those who arent christians...becuz its just giving them more of a reason to hate us and condemn us.
dont post a comment if your are just going to make all the rest of us christians look like idiots cuz u have no clue what ur talking about .
And you know..u dont have to believe in HELL to go to it after u die...its not just part of ur imagination..u will go to either one of 2 places after u die...heaven or hell..whether u like it not..depending on who u decide to follow..its ur choice

[barn_04]

oh ..and by the way, "incubus" is when demons come down and inpregnate women.

[RatiugLink]

diablodude2000:
"Listen
, all you mutha****ers that say christian music sucks balls haven't heard P.O.D., Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot, or Five Iron Frenzy. Christian artists ARE NOT trying to cram it down you're throats. "Christians aren't shoving down you're throats, they're holding a knife to your throat and telling you to swallow", that is bogus. In the first place IT WAS YOURCHOICE TO LISTEN TO IT, so we may be trying to shove it all down your satanic throats, but it's like you are telling the band To shove it down your throat. Besides, most christian bands ARE pretty awesome. And NEVER DISS JESUS, he died on the cross for you."

GROOOOOOOOOAAAA
AAAN.

ENOUGH PREACHING!

[RatiugLink]

twocenttip:
"HOLY CRAP!
I have never written for this site before, and in a few short days i have more posts than I can read! Is it not amazing how religion and the name of Christ stirs up this much controversy? hmmmm...
ps: rembermyname: Bro, there is only ONE true religion. Sorry. Christ said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. NO ONE comes to the Father but through ME.' Bottom line. PX is the ONLY way to Heaven."

So you're just gonna believe some random guy is the savior of everyone? There is no proof whatsoever of this religion. And don't say the Bible. That isn't proof. Anyone could had written it.

Also, how can you expect the Bible to be 100% correct? It was written by over 100 guys, who supposedly heard the word of God. But God only speaks to PROPHETS! HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO HEAR GOD SPEAK TO THEM IF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS NOT A PROPHET?!

[Secrets_Rock!]

ratiuglink...im not a prophet so far as i kno and i have heard god speak to me....but yeah i dont wanna get in an argument or anything. i just wanted to say this was a cool article tho it was more of some dudes opinion...i agree 100%

[crimsonstains]

I find it interesting that many of you like RatuigLink keep coming back to this article and posting. If you hate Christians and their music so much then why keep posting? There must be something here that interests you. It seems like you don?t care one bit about anything we say but yet you still read it all. Usually if I feel something isn?t worth my time... I don?t waste my time on it. so what?s making you want to waste your time here? ......maybe it?s the holy spirit......

[LED Weston]

i hate christian rock its so point less . go slayer yeah death metel.

[Redeemed_Rocker]

Great article. Finally someone says it straight. You rock brother! \n/

[JesusFreak_417]

that was a nice one crimsonstains. I agree!!! CHRIST ROOLZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!

[barn_04]

for those of u who dont believe in the bible and God and stuff like that...umm..how do u explain the way ur body fits together and ur brain works, and creation..dont u think there is some kinda of creator/god that is behind all of it??or did it all just magically happen??just wondering....

i think christian rock is a waste of time also..even though i am a christian..if u r are going to listen to rock u might as well listen to the real stuff..

p.s. can all of u that are trying to defend ur faith..can u please stop using vulgar words to do so..ur not helping anything..ur just making ur self look like an idiot

[JesusFreak_417]

hey uh, koneboy, it's demonhunter.

[JesusFreak_417]

"To me it all falls under the freedom of speech. Let'em talk about Jesus all they want, if you don't agree with it just... don't. We're "free" to believe whatever we like right?"

well said, dashd ol' boy.

[blsdmfs]

wow what a subject. some of the comments are great some are not. God only speaks to profits???? the bible correct??? more things have been proven correct out of the bible then any history book. evelution?? the planet hasnt been around long enough for evelution to even take place. evelution makes no sence anyways. the music can be just as christian as the lyrics. dave mustain was in the studio with pillar. watch out. megalife after death??? does anyone like Falling UP?? i booked them for next weekend. superchick is in the works. then Kutless commin back with i hope i can get TFK with them. God does not kill use for not believing in him. we kill ourselves. What makes God so great is that he has given us freewill.

[Hot Dogs]

The whole christian religion is bullshit. It makes no sense and is absolutely, 100% untrue. I am not "anti-christ" and i do not worship satan, i don't believe in any god or any of that shit. Christian rock is stupid and pointless. They need to get ***ing lives and start looking at reality. Christianity will not, in anyway help the world, only piss others, like myself and most of the people on this website off. Christians talk about being good people and helping others but they don't do shit. They go to church and act like that does something......but it most certainly does not. My whole family is christian, and they are what you would call, assholes, or maybe even "bad people." All their friends are Christian and are the same way. Christians are hypocritical and retarded and I hate all that take it so seriously. If you want to be a good person fine, and if to do that you have to be a Christian, go for it, but don't ***ing go crazy with it. Nobody likes Christian music. I mean REALLY like it. They are scared of going to hell by listening to bands like AC/DC or KoRn so they listen ***ing hippies like POD and those ***ing fags back in the 80's who threw bibles in the crowd. Christianity is all about scaring people into believing their beliefs. So people get scared into listening gay ass music. FUCK CHRISTIANITY AND FUCK RELIGION.

[barn_04]

dude , u need help...thats pretty sad that u get pissed off cuz people are talking about christianity..i mean..look at the title of the article..."CHRISTIAN ROCK" if u hate christians soo much then why are u posting a comment in a debate about christianity...and pretty much what ur saying is that u were scared by what ur family tells u about christianity..soo instead of looking into it and seeing what its really all about, u decided to just be ignorant about everything to do with God and hell.
did u guys know that the guy who came up with the theory of evolution named "Charles Darwin".. that he himself thought his theory to be B.S. b4 he died

oh..and "jesusfreak_47" i agree with ur whole freedom of speech thing...i just have a problem with those who call them self christians on this website and totally contradict themselves and make themselves out to be hypocritical..which then makes the rest of us christians look like idiots

[orcutt989]

If this was a United Nations meeting, the world would be consumed in Nuclear holocaust, none of you go into any government positions for any of your countries, please.

[JesusFreak_417]

dude, you are so out of touch.

[barn_04]

lol
i doubt they have these kind of discussions at those meetings...so most of us are allright..i think

[barn_04]

who is out of touch?

[JesusFreak_417]

(talking to hot dogs)

[barn_04]

oh..thanks

[JesusFreak_417]

and, uh, barn_04, was that a hit on me, or someone else? cuz i would like to know if i'm contradicting myself and how i'm doing it if i am.

[emokid182]

Whoa hot dogs you need to chill out man. I'm a christain and sure some christains can be butholes, but i mean can't non christains. Can't nonchristains be bad people and hypocrites?

I want to know if people don't believe in God, then what is the point of life?

Christain music is cool. But it deffinatly isn't all i listen too. Good "christain" bands are zao, living sacrifice, emery, further seems forever

[barn_04]

no not u jesusfreak417..people like this----->

peilun:
"hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist and our lord is not a cunt whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off!"

[barn_04]

as christians we r supposed to be an example to those who arent....other wise we r just showing that there is no difference b/t christians and non-christians

[JesusFreak_417]

?

[barn_04]

what dont u get?

[JesusFreak_417]

good point. i agree.

[barn_04]

nevermind

[JesusFreak_417]

oh, i was just doing that so that the stuff would show up. Cuz i have to post something before anything anyone else post's shows up.

[JesusFreak_417]

so how's everyone doing?

[barn_04]

i think they all gave up..lol

[JesusFreak_417]

well, i'll catch up later, gtg.

[anticamouflage]

Hey, Christian rock just uses music to glorify the Lord. The Apolgetix, a christian band, takes secular songs and change the words, with the same music. So before you go on bashing Christians and Christian music, actually check it out. www.apolgetix.com

[Blink_me_42]

i bet this dude knew he would get toasted for makin this post, but he did it anyway!! i gotta respect that. myself am a cristian, but im not the sort who would forse the word upon sum1. i just let god be glorified in my life, and let anyone who has an opinion keep it!!! that is the way ppl get saved, not thru bible bashing ppl who dont care . that is how ppl begin to not like christians, christianity, and even our lord himself. christian rock bands dont nessesarily sing all about god and jesus, cause most christian bands sing bout other stuff 2. but they set example for their fans

[element_god]

Blink_me_42,some of the best bands you can look up to are the ones who don't try to SET an example for their fans.Also while I'm at it and everyone else is,I just want to state that I do not like Christianity.Out of all of the religions out there,its the one I can't stand the most.They go around forcing their religion down your throat.I know some who posted here say they don't.If you don't then therefore you are not a true Christian because in the bible it says that god wants you to go and spread his "word".If you don't go around telling people about god and how he wants to "help" them then you aren't a true Christian.Let me lay something down,and when I'm done you're going to be amazed at what kind of sins you do everyday of your life.And what I'm about to tell you is absolutly true,its in the bible.
1).In the bible and if you're a girl,you MUST wear nothing but dresses because if you wear pants you're dressing like a man and in the bible it's a sin to dress like a man.You must wear long sleeve shirts all of the time. (including Summer Time and going Swimming,not Bathing suits).If you're a man then you can only wear long pants and long sleeve shirts all of the time (including going swimming and summer time) Neither gender can wear shorts.
2).When a woman is on her period she must lock herself away from everyone for the next seven days.And the sheets on her bed she sleeps on must be burned afterwards.She cannot see anyone and no one can come into the room.If so they are considered on god's eyes "dirty".Only when the woman's monthly cycle is over can she leave the room she locked herself up in and be around people.

[SilentFoX]

yo guys god lovers and bashers who cares which way you go about with you god issues its music and yes some christian bands are really great just because they are labeled as christians or satanists or what ever dont mean you have to bash them its just music you wither like it or you dont.

[SilentFoX]

and element_god not all christian religions are like that bro so please dont bash all babtist,penticost,chathol
ic,.........are all stuck in religion try out a non denomination church. i hated all church and religions till i found one and it actually is ok.

[SilentFoX]

and uh element_god your full of SH*T i dont know where you got your info about the long sleeves form b'cause when the bible was written they all was weariing robes and the period thing was at a different time in the bible that we dont even go by anymore it was before christ and new laws have been let down since him. christ marks a new way of life. and most religions dont understand that. and what ever preacher or person told oyu this crap cuz i know you didnt read it do me a favor and smack the right dead in the mouth and tell them how full of Sh*t they are.......and read the bible for your self it actually is a very good book.

[RevelationStorm]

Okay dude, now it's MY turn to "break it down piece by piece." First of all, have you read the book "Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944?" Because, I HAVE that book. And just to give you the heads up on Hitler's beliefs, here are a couple of speech's from the book AND their page numbers (in case you don't believe me and ever get a chance to read the book):

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

so yeah what now? u aint got nothing to rebuttle that argument.

[MyBulletsForYou]

GOD HATES US ALL---Slayer

[steeleeeman]

SilentFoX:
and uh element_god your full of SH*T i dont know where you got your info about the long sleeves form b'cause when the bible was written they all was weariing robes and the period thing was at a different time in the bible that we dont even go by anymore it was before christ and new laws have been let down since him. christ marks a new way of life. and most religions dont understand that. and what ever preacher or person told oyu this crap cuz i know you didnt read it do me a favor and smack the right dead in the mouth and tell them how full of Sh*t they are.......and read the bible for your self it actually is a very good book.

well said. And as for the chrisitian music, some is no different from any other great non christian bands. I listen to some christian bands because it is GOOD MUSIC, not because i wanna get a spiritual high.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
Okay, Spl!nTerRgu!tAr, you obviously don't know what a jew is. In case you didn't know, JESUS himself was a Jew, in fact He was King of the Jews. Dude, you need to seriously research Judaism before you go posting that they are so anti-christian. Any of you who think Hitler was a christian have no idea what a christian or what a Nazi is. They are practically like oil and water, they don't mix.



Dude u definatly need to stop being so cocky, im gonna break it down pice by piece:

Hitler himself was a christian

Hitler did not like jews

Hitler beleived jews were the christian enemy

Hitler built concentration camps to kill jews

Hitler believed German Christians were the ultimate superior race

Therefore, Hitler believed muslims, jews, and all other religions were the christian enemy and had no right to exist

And yes, i realize jesus was a jew, a jew that spread christianity

And i neer once said i knew exactly what jews are, i just know they have yamacas(sp?) and they light the manorah(sp?) on hanucha(sp?), so i suggest u quit being one of those "im gonna tell EVERY one my personal political views but it aint gonna do shit to help the world" punk rockers czu really ure getting really really annoying correcting every1 when u dont really look at ure flaws ureself

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and by the way, i never said what hitler bel;ieved was true, he **************THINKS*****
*** jews were the enemy, i never once said that jews were anti christian, i said thats what hitler ****BELIEVED****

god damn communists

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and dont even try and tell me hitler wasnt christian, BOTH his mom and his step dad were christian, i did 5 school reports on the guy and 2 of my best friends aaron and tim are Arian Youths, which is a national Nazi gang, uve prolly seen there 3 armed swastika b4,so dont even try to correct me on that subject

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and now i really wouldnt be suprised if u started getting on my friends cases or trying to throw bull crap at me about how he didnt have a "step dad" cuz uhave liuttle to no argument with me left, well hitlers father left him and his mother when he was 4, and that started his anger that lasted throughout his life, then he took a good look at german society(which he didnt like) and noticed many of the government officicals were jewish, not full blooded germans, so his hate for his father rounded out and he vented it all on jews, and his idea that jews were destroying germany and all of europe only fueled the fire, soon he recruited homeless and lower class people for his cause, and eventually he came across upper class people who agreed with him, and they got hitler connections to clubs and bars he can spread his word in and soon he had 1/4 of germany behind him, and back then u needed to have 1/5 of german support to run for chancellor, which he did, he lost, and then overthrew the capitolist party that beat him.

so yeah what now? u aint got nothing to rebuttle that argument

[RevelationStorm]

Those were parts of Hitler's speeches and they were quoted WORD FOR WORD.

[mrgeorge]

just because people call themselves a christian doesnt make them one. hitler might have called himself a christian but that doesnt mean he was one because he sure didnt practice what christianity teaches and we all know where he is right now

[Kutless]

I agree that christian rock is rebellious in the sence that being a christian isn't cool. Hitler wasn't a true christian. The Bible tells us not to hate others. Hitler was a horrible man who hated and killed millions. I don't think that christian rock bands are trying to shove their religon down anyone's throat. In fact if you have read an interview with any of them, most would say that they want an athiest and a christian to have just as much fun at one of their shows. Christian artists are just speaking their mind about something that is very important to them. I will agree that their are people who do force their beliefs on others, but most christian rock artists like demon hunter, p.o.d., switchfoot, kutless, and mxpx aren't.

[luther527]

All right...
Ive read all of this ranting and raving from the past 5 or so days about christianity vs other religions. As a Christian, I understand how it feels like we are being trampled by the obvious bias against us. But as the apostle paul says, our suffereings produce perseverance, perseverance character and character, hope. Keep firm in the faith. However,I must address comments made by those on both sides of this debate. I'm not going to say that I am holier than anyone or anything; i just want to set the facts straight, because what i will tell you is what christian denominations believe. I'll call it "christian theology 101"
God (not allah or buddah or (insert other deity here), but the Triune God)created the entire universe and everything in it. He created Adam and eve in his image. They were tempted by satan and turned to sin. God knew this would happen and therefore Jesus(True man and True God) was with him in the very beginning( see John 1:1). Jesus was born around 4-6 B.C. in Bethlethem, of a virgin. He began his public ministry when he was about 30. eventually, the Jewish authorities became fearful of his increasing popularity and set him up to be arrested. He was sentenced to death by pilate and was crucified for the sins of the world. He was placed in a tomb and on the third day he was in it he was raised to life and appeared to over 500 people before he ascended to the right hand of God. Jesus will come back at the last day to judge the living and the dead. The Triune God I refer to is God the Father, God the son(Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. They are all persons of the living God, co-eternal and co-equal. That is why the christian God is not allah or budda or any other god. They all reject the concept of the trinity, an essential part of christian theology. Therefore, a person can only be saved if he/she believes that Jesus, true man and true God, a person of the Trinity, died on the cross for their sins and the sins of the world , and that he rose again to give them new life, eternal life, in heaven.
It should also be kown that everyone is sinful and needs the grace of God through Jesus to be forgiven. I am the biggest sinner I know and am only saved by Him who loves me. We should however, strive to make a Christlike example in this world and not respond in anger, but speak the truth in love. I pray for all of you, that those who dont know Christ would and those who do would stay in the faith.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

well revelation storm, was that boook written by Hitler himself? Dont think so... ive read 5 bios on him, and his auto boigraphy, and fromhis aout biography its clearly staes he was raised in a christian family and was raised as a christian, whehter he went against that later was never mentioned, but i was goin off of what 6 books have told me.

and besides, u still havent proved against the fact that ure just gettin all out annoying and over half the ppl in this post can agree, ure an opinionated know it all and i wouldnt be suupired if u were one of those "hard core" punk rockers who hate bush cuz were in iraq taking out a dictator that had the potential to be worse then hitler could ever hd imagined. so honestly dude, if u think about celebs and even just common human beings liek me and u expressing there opinions, they get shit about it and little to no one will have much respect for u, sure the constitution says u can express ure opinion, but heres a little common sense for living in america... if a lotta other opinionated ppl know u and u have an opinion u wanna share... then dont... life lesson for ya

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and again, over half of the ppl in this post will agree

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

hey... on second thought... there are still many things u havent rebuttled... like the fact that if u look back i never once said i knew exactly what a jew was, i never DID say it was TRUE that jews are the chritian enemy, and u have still never defended ureslef whan i said ure an annoying know it all whos on everybodys case about thwhat they think, and ure sitting there spitting FACTS that, somehow in ure little world, will set right there OPINIONS. and yes i realize my facts were wrong and yes i realize u were right, but u have yet to defend ureself there

[barn_04]

how does christian rock have anything to do with some nazi leader being a christian ..u would have to be a complete retard to think someone like him was a christian while he was leader of the nazis...
oh and the bible does not say to go out into all the world and shove the gospel down peoples throats...if u dont want the gospel spoken to u then dont hang around christians...its ur loss..not ours

[Wolfpack07]

SplinterGuitar, do you know that bush is a christian himself?? and that last comment you made against Revelation Storm "there are still many things u havent rebuttled... like the fact that if u look back i never once said i knew exactly what a jew was, i never DID say it was TRUE that jews are the chritian enemy, and u have still never defended ureslef whan i said ure an annoying know it all whos on everybodys case about thwhat they think, and ure sitting there spitting FACTS that, somehow in ure little world, will set right there OPINIONS. and yes i realize my facts were wrong and yes i realize u were right, but u have yet to defend ureself there"
made you sound dumber than you already do man, back off, and if us christians make you so mad, why are you still posting on this forum?

[cheesetastic]

God is love, he loves you

[peter hadad]

Ok I take no credit for what the following says, I simply got it off the site losingmyreligion.com; I would normally write out my view but it's simply so long that i really can't be bothered...

"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor."

-William C. Easttom II

...Anyway that about sums up my view of God.

As for the article the guy needs to work on it which is reflected in the user rating. Now I will address the points it made;

"Second, Christian artists don?t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense)."

He is totally wrong; I was a christian up to about four years ago, I stopped believing because most of what being said made no sense (Jesus killing 2000 pigs, Jesus speaks to epilepsy, Jesus curses a fig tree...).

Another point stated...
"Demon Hunter?. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ?foolish words? in their song ?Annihilate The Corrupt? (from the album ?Summer of Darkness'), but they don?t force religion on you."

Personally that seems a little contradictory; either turn to christianity or you will burn in hell under the direction of a God who loves you, appaerntly this is not trying to force christianity down my throat. NEXT!

"I noticed someone said that Christian music is not welcome on the hardcore/metal scene because it ?isn?t rebellious?. On the contrary, Christians are radicals! They are weird people, my friend! They are anything but compliant. They follow the biggest radical in the history of the world: Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus was a rebel, but that was 2000 years ago. Uh no... Christian music is not rebelious, if anything its urging people to conform to the ideals of the christian religion, which is of course the biggest religion in the world. It's also not welcome because the vast majority of people don't like it, me being one of them.

And as for;
"Thus, to conclude, Christian music is not a group of untalented Gaither-wannabes, but a vital and thriving industry that changes lives through music."

Like I said the music is not my taste, fair enough might be to others... to qoute an earlier post;
"Q: Is Christian music a powerful new breed that could change a generation?
A: Nope"

I would have to agree.

[lzstratbrat]

What is the big deal with non-believers' issues with Christian rock? If you don't believe it, stop listening to it and criticizing it! I am a Christian, and I feel that most Christian bands do NOT shove it down your throats, and actually share their beliefs in a subtle way. Christian rock has to be one of the most rebellious types of music to go against lost people and take their comments like the ones in this post. It does deserve a place in mainstream music, and many bands have talented musicians. Everyone have a good day and remember Jesus loves you. And I'll say this in unison with the other person who posted it: "Shut up and play your guitars!" - Frank Zappa

[jeremyrozario]

the person who wrote this article ought to be shot, and HE should burn in hell

[metal fury]

I feel sorry for all of you christian-bashers. You are going down the path to a place where your soul will be eternaly burned in a void of black hatred.
I pray for you brothers.
Peace out

[frankieavacado]

I think the above post by "metal fury" aptly describes why Christian rock pisses me off. It's really obnoxiously whiny. It's the musical equivalent of...a really big whiny thing whining in your ear in a particularly whiny manner. Any music that caters to the whims of a horde desperately trying to deny their own mortality (oohhhh yeah, we totally get everlasting life from our god) is bad enough without having to listen to them try to convert people by telling them about some imaginary penalty for not being christian. Great religion there guys...way to be the whiniest whiny things since Whiney the third of Whine-land decided to have a nice evening's whine with his thirty most whiny cohorts.

which brings me to my final point: zealots with bands are the suX0rs

[RevelationStorm]

I'M on everybody's case? Dude the ONLY thing you have done in this forum is "correct" people!

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
^^ and revelation storm:
1)mary got wasted one night and got drunk and has a dream of gabriel
2)hitler was pro-christian(muslims and jews are supposedly the christian enemies)
and 3)yes, some of the most religious ppl in htis world ARE in fact terrorists cuz there willing to kill themselves

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
SO HA I WIN!!!

damn communists

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
hey uh... revelation storm...Hitler was a christian, he killed ***JEWS*** u know, with the beanies and the candles and the no jesus? yeah hitler killed those guys, and yes my parents are christian,i was meaning to say kill themselves for their religion, so my bad on that 1

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
and dont even try and tell me hitler wasnt christian, BOTH his mom and his step dad were christian, i did 5 school reports on the guy and 2 of my best friends aaron and tim are Arian Youths, which is a national Nazi gang, uve prolly seen there 3 armed swastika b4,so dont even try to correct me on that subject

And no, I am not a "hard-core punk rocker," and I think Bush is one of the greatest Americans that has ever walked the face of the earth (besides Reagan lol). So you clearly have no idea what you are talking (from everything from Hitler to my political beliefs) so yeah, like WolfPack said, just back off and quit making yourself sound utterly ignorant.

[RevelationStorm]

jeremyrozario, dude if you are just coming to this forum to make an ignorant post like that, then you have know use of being here. We don't want to hear come in and say "Okay, you all burn in hell! you need to be shot! Christians are stupid!" and all that junk. You are really making yourself sound stupid.

[peter hadad]

metal fury:
I feel sorry for all of you christian-bashers. You are going down the path to a place where your soul will be eternaly burned in a void of black hatred.

Hang I thought he loved me?

frankieavacado:
I think the above post by "metal fury" aptly describes why Christian rock pisses me off. It's really obnoxiously whiny. It's the musical equivalent of...a really big whiny thing whining in your ear in a particularly whiny manner. Any music that caters to the whims of a horde desperately trying to deny their own mortality (oohhhh yeah, we totally get everlasting life from our god) is bad enough without having to listen to them try to convert people by telling them about some imaginary penalty for not being christian.

Thankyou I couldn't agree more.

I think Bush is one of the greatest Americans that has ever walked the face of the earth

I would have to say that is the stupidiest thing I've ever heard in my life, if you want me to PM you saying why that is total bull I will.

[RevelationStorm]

Not thanks, keep your ignorance to yourself. There are enough liberal idiots out there already, i don't need some stupid anti-bush person to come and preach to me why they think he is full of bull. I already know from here on that you have no idea what you are talking about so don't come PM me with that junk. Leave your politics to yourself.

[peter hadad]

Christian rock has to be one of the most rebellious types of music

I just thought that I'd reiterate that christianity is the largest religion in the world. As that is the case how can you call it rebellious?

[peter hadad]

RevelationStorm:
Not thanks, keep your ignorance to yourself. There are enough liberal idiots out there already, i don't need some stupid anti-bush person to come and preach to me why they think he is full of bull. I already know from here on that you have no idea what you are talking about so don't come PM me with that junk. Leave your politics to yourself.

Ok first off there are several things wrong with this; first off ignorance is when you discards someones view without listenening to it, which if I am not mistaken is what you just did. And on top of that I do know what I am talking about since I come from a background which is probably similar to your own; on top of this I took an As level in theology.

So on both accounts you are very wrong.

[peter hadad]

By a similar background I mean that I was raised in a home with strong fundemental/literalist views. And, although I am ashamed to admit it was one of those people constantly trying to convert my friends and get them to believe the good news. Slowly I realised that this was not the practice of a sane person.

[----{XAK}----]

peter hadad: "I just thought that I'd reiterate that christianity is the largest religion in the world. As that is the case how can you call it rebellious?"

You think Christianitys the largest religion in the world?. Christianity is one of the smallest religions in the world. Ofcourse you think this because most of the dipshits you see every day are christians and you've never been out of the country.(which I'm guessing your american.)Anyway most religion is pretty silly to me. If you were raised in say Iraq you would probably be muslim. If you were raised in america you would probably be christian. Get what Im saying here.

[peter hadad]

No I don't get what you mean? And no I am not american I'm english. Just so you know christianity is the largest religion in the world with approximately 2 billion followers, next is islam with 1.3 billion followers.

[peter hadad]

And just so you know I am half iranian, since my mother is actually iranian but converted to christianity. As a result i think I know what I'm talking about, and not only have visited other countries BUT have visted muslim states in the middle east.

[Wolfpack07]

Peter, Why is it that you started converting people in the Good News, but then slowly realized you werent "sane" im anxious to hear what turned you away from the awesome love of Jesus?

[peter hadad]

I started converting people because it was a common thing to do within my christian demonination; needless to say it probably irritated the hell out of my non religious friends.
After moving away from home and away from the demonination known as the "moonies" (yes I know the name is a joke but it's a far eatern originating thing). After awhile I began mixing with more and more people who did not believe in God; slowly I realised that these people did not have a 'void' in their lives that they needed to fill, this is when I stopped the insane evangelical attitude and left them to their beliefs.
What turned me away from Jesus well I guess you could call it reason (for the lack of a less blunt word), but it was not a sudden thing. For a while I had been on the borders of is there or God or isn't there. One day I just had to let go; and I am hasten to add I haven't looked back since and just by reading the other side of the arguement and listening to the reason of those far more intellectual than I will ever be (the example used above William C. Easttom II), which is just as compelling if not more so than the Bible; I know that I have made the right choice, athough of course it is a personal thing.
And I pose a challenge to you visit that site I mentioned "www.losingmyreligion.co
m" and see if any of your arguements truely stand up; if so then Christinity might have some meaning afterall, though I don't hold out much hope.

[Wolfpack07]

Iactually visited "losingmyreligion.com" i have to say they made some interesting articles, but after reading them i have no intention at all of turning my faith. The whole idea behind the word "faith" is to not actually know the truth but believe. Nothing for or against Jesus has been entirely proven as a fact. Most of it is there and we have been give the choice to believe or not to believe. I strongly recommend "The Case for Faith" and "The Case for Christ" both written by Lee Strobel. I was once too on the borderline of believing God and Not believing in God for a while, but then my father gave me these books and they have forever changed my life, and if you give them a chance, they might change yours if only a little bit. I know its easier to believe in "Scientific Fact" rather than the facts told to us in the Bible, but thats what makes the world more interesting, believing. I don't know for a fact that there is God and Jesus, but i look at all the evidence behind it "Like me" and believe that there is a true and all-powerful God, and i believe that Jesus has died for my sins, not only because i have grown up in a christian family, but because i believe myself that he is there and it just makes life more interesting. Knowing everything not only spoils what you know, but makes it so that others may not be able to enjoy the life i believe that has been given to us by our Awesome God.

God Bless

[Wolfpack07]

The books show the "scientific evidence" left by Christ, the Christian faith and the Bible, as told by a Born-again Christian that converted from atheism.

[peter hadad]

Personally I see the idea of faith as a last ditch atempt to make something stick. An analogy you could use (albeit a crap one)is that I could have faith that the sea is pink despite having no real proof what-so-ever, the point is that no amount of scientific or logical evidence will sway me because I have faith in it. The same could be said about Christianity, if irreversible and undeniable proof that God did not exist, people would still believe because that is the nature of faith.
You are however right that scientific fact is easier to believe; this is due it being more logical, more factual and based in (usually) sound scientific evidence.
I also have see a hell of a lot of the other side of the arguement during my time as a practising Christian and my studying for my As level (but will look those books anyway if i get the chance; since is always good to know the other side of the arguement before you preach your own. Which i would reccommend to BOTH of the sides posting on this article). However, I still have many other issues with christianity that I have not mentioned (and frankly am not going to since its now 7:15 am and I am going to bed since I did not get any sleep; because I should have been putting a damn portfolio together!).
Anyway I still enjoy life just as much if not more than I did before, because I know that this is the be all and end all of reality and we only have so much time; either like it or be persuaded into believing in an after-life.

But I'll leave you with one final excerpt from that site I won't shut up about...
"1. Free will. Both Lucifer and Adam started out in sinless environments, yet they still sinned. Why? Because they had free will. The only way to prevent sin from occurring again is to eradicate free will.

2. Morality. The Bible says God condones things like genocide, infanticide, religious intolerance and slavery. Christians say that Jesus is God. They also say that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Kind of scary, isn?t it?

3. Hell. Incarceration for incorrect beliefs, cruel and unusual punishment, human torture. If any earthly ruler treated people this way, he would be an evil tyrant. How about when God does it?

4. Salvation. Christians teach that God could not accept his own creation unless he first killed himself. Someone had to pay for our sins, because God is holy, and cannot look upon sin or imperfection unless something dies first. Billions who do not accept this will be tortured forever in Hell. Since God is omnipotent, and not subject to any authority other than himself, there is no reason for this state of affairs, other than his own whim.

5. Mercy. Jesus said we should forgive others 70x7 times. In other words, for a lifetime, which is a very long time for humans. It is almost no time, however, for an infinite God. Yet if we do not become Christians within this short span of time, God can no longer forgive us."

[dhc699]

Dear Song Writers,

just write about whatever you want to and dont try and put a title on it jus try to write MUSIC

[RevelationStorm]

Ok first off there are several things wrong with this; first off ignorance is when you discards someones view without listenening to it, which if I am not mistaken is what you just did. And on top of that I do know what I am talking about since I come from a background which is probably similar to your own; on top of this I took an As level in theology.

So on both accounts you are very wrong.

You try way too hard to sound intelligent and you turn completely idiotic. None of what you said made sense. You do NOT come from a background no where NEAR similar to mine. And discarding someone's view without listening to it is not ignorance. You just need to learn to accept the fact that I just don't WANT to hear your opinion simply because I have heard enough anti-bush opinions already. Just cuz i don't want to hear another one does not, by any means, mean I'm ignorant.

[Wolfpack07]

Peter, if you say that there is no God, then would you tell me why we are here on earth?, If we weren't made for God's pleasure, then why are we on this earth?

[peter hadad]

You try way too hard to sound intelligent and you turn completely idiotic. None of what you said made sense. You do NOT come from a background no where NEAR similar to mine. And discarding someone's view without listening to it is not ignorance. You just need to learn to accept the fact that I just don't WANT to hear your opinion simply because I have heard enough anti-bush opinions already. Just cuz i don't want to hear another one does not, by any means, mean I'm ignorant.

Not only are you 'ignorant', idiotic and arrogant; but from reading through your other points you are obnoxious, aggressive and have little idea about the arguements you are rebuking. One case I took note of was evolution: no, we did not evolve from the apes currently around. As for a missing links many animals also share the same problem as very few living things actually turn into fossils, but instead decay (if you want a good example of evolution look at the example of a horse which we have a complete set of fossils). I also thought you would like to know that evolution IS still going on, recently there was a case where a chimpanzee was found that naturally walked around up right; as for our little fingers becomming shorter they actually are and there is evidence to support this.
As for Bush it is a little known fact that prior to September 11 his administration gave $43 million dollars to the Taliban as a 'reward' for getting rid of the opium farmers in Afganistan; it is however a known fact that the Talibans methods for getting 'rid' of people was to cut off their hands and head, something that you idiots thought was something that deserved a rewardI In future before you turn your back to someones arguement maybe you should listen to it; for a practising christian you are extremely closed minded, and it is because of pricks like you that Christianity has the bad name it has. One good thing about leaving my faith is that I'll never have to socialise with little bitches like you. If I were you I would look at posters like "Wolfpack07" who put across their points in an inoffensive and unagressive way.

OH AND ONE MORE THING FIND A NEW CUSS! COS I'M SICK OF HEARING YOU SAY IGNORANT YOU UNIMAGINATIVE FOOL!

Wolfpack07:
Peter, if you say that there is no God, then would you tell me why we are here on earth?, If we weren't made for God's pleasure, then why are we on this earth?

Good point and one that we can only sepculate on; the most probable, though it was not very kind is that we are simply an accident. I guess we'll never know (and please no one reply saying yes I know there is an after-life; because you don't it's just faith)....

[metal fury]

Whiny? How the heck could you consider my post whiny. If I were someone else reading it I would say you guys are so pathetic this guy feels sorry for you. I thought what I said would get you to realize WHAT THE TRUTH IS. Even Metallica was inspired by the Bible according to www.encycmet.com . I was just trying to keep my cool while reading your posts when I put I'll pray for you. You all sould have been happy I said that. But instead you can only see whats in front off you face. And that's just if you want to.

Metallica rules.
Peace out

[joyful womble]

712th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RevelationStorm]

Dude, I am closed minded because I don't have any interest in a "prick" like you's opinion. There is nothing wrong, or "ignorant" about that. Just cuz i dont want to hear your opinion doesn't mean im an "unimaginable fool." And talk about agressive, you have some of the most aggressive posts on this forum.

[Wolfpack07]

You said "most probably" the point, i do think you are only taking what you "think to be" i dont believe you are getting your evidence from a reliable source. And yes, it is faith that is telling us that there is an afterlife. C'mon we have to have some purpose. Christianity tells us our purpose, and you have yet to tell me what you think our purpose is, you only use a "probable" cause for us. I wanna know the real thing straightforward. And we (Christians) get our facts from our most reliable source.

[Wolfpack07]

Revelation, youre yelling at them because they are closed-minded and youre saying that you are closed minded, thats a little hypocritical. Dont give them the wrong idea about us.

[peter hadad]

RevelationStorm:
Dude, I am closed minded because I don't have any interest in a "prick" like you's opinion. There is nothing wrong, or "ignorant" about that. Just cuz i dont want to hear your opinion doesn't mean im an "unimaginable fool." And talk about agressive, you have some of the most aggressive posts on this forum

I think anyone with half a brain can see you're twisting my words. You are unimaginative because you keep using the same insult because you have an obvious lack of imagination; your comments are far worse than most of the anti-christians posting on here (I would like to remind everyone not to judge christianity by the remarks this extremist is making). And as for me being aggressive aside from you I dare you to find one example where I have name called to the extent that you do.

And despite what you say you are intolerant and close minded to the belief of others, which you should at least acknowledge before you act so self righteous.

"Dude, I am closed minded because I don't have any interest in a "prick" like you's opinion. There is nothing wrong, or "ignorant" about that."

THAT IS BOTH WRONG AND EXTREMELY IGNORANT. Why are you on this site if you are not prepared to discuss your view; by saying "I don't care" it implies you have no arguement.

[peter hadad]

Wolfpack07:
You said "most probably" the point, i do think you are only taking what you "think to be" i dont believe you are getting your evidence from a reliable source. And yes, it is faith that is telling us that there is an afterlife. C'mon we have to have some purpose. Christianity tells us our purpose, and you have yet to tell me what you think our purpose is, you only use a "probable" cause for us. I wanna know the real thing straightforward. And we (Christians) get our facts from our most reliable source.

True, I have no idea what there is in the after life. Since no one can prove or disprove an after life, theres no point in talking about it, I guess...

Wolfpack07:
Revelation, youre yelling at them because they are closed-minded and youre saying that you are closed minded, thats a little hypocritical. Dont give them the wrong idea about us.

Wolfpack07 is completely correct; and RevelationStorm just so you know, you are one of the worst ambassadors to the Christian faith that I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.

[Wolfpack07]

Dude,Revelation is still a good Christian, he knows alot about our religion, most likely more than i do. im just sick of all the hypocracy between you two.

[Wolfpack07]

Anyways, ive said what i will say here, and im out of this whole thing.

[peter hadad]

Wolfpack07:
Dude,Revelat
ion is still a good Christian, he knows alot about our religion, most likely more than i do. im just sick of all the hypocracy between you two.

He may be a good christian, I honestly don't know him so I cannot not say. Although his extremist views, aggresive posts towards others, the way he twists my words and pretends to know enough about evolution to put an arguement against him; lead me to believe that he doesn't represent the Christian Religion in the best light.

[zeppelin420]

*** the jews

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
Ok first off there are several things wrong with this; first off ignorance is when you discards someones view without listenening to it, which if I am not mistaken is what you just did. And on top of that I do know what I am talking about since I come from a background which is probably similar to your own; on top of this I took an As level in theology.

So on both accounts you are very wrong.


You try way too hard to sound intelligent and you turn completely idiotic. None of what you said made sense. You do NOT come from a background no where NEAR similar to mine. And discarding someone's view without listening to it is not ignorance. You just need to learn to accept the fact that I just don't WANT to hear your opinion simply because I have heard enough anti-bush opinions already. Just cuz i don't want to hear another one does not, by any means, mean I'm ignorant.
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i agree with revelation storm(and yes it IS possible)

[LED Weston]

slayer yeah 666 ozzy ,black sabbath yeah satan

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

peter hadad:

RevelationStorm
:
Dude, I am closed minded because I don't have any interest in a "prick" like you's opinion. There is nothing wrong, or "ignorant" about that. Just cuz i dont want to hear your opinion doesn't mean im an "unimaginable fool." And talk about agressive, you have some of the most aggressive posts on this forum


I think anyone with half a brain can see you're twisting my words. You are unimaginative because you keep using the same insult because you have an obvious lack of imagination; your comments are far worse than most of the anti-christians posting on here (I would like to remind everyone not to judge christianity by the remarks this extremist is making). And as for me being aggressive aside from you I dare you to find one example where I have name called to the extent that you do.

And despite what you say you are intolerant and close minded to the belief of others, which you should at least acknowledge before you act so self righteous.

"Dude, I am closed minded because I don't have any interest in a "prick" like you's opinion. There is nothing wrong, or "ignorant" about that."


THAT IS BOTH WRONG AND EXTREMELY IGNORANT. Why are you on this site if you are not prepared to discuss your view; by saying "I don't care" it implies you have no arguement.


THANK YOU PETERHEAD!!! i couldnt have explained it better

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

peter hadad**** really sry, read it wrong! my bad

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
I'M on everybody's case? Dude the ONLY thing you have done in this forum is "correct" people!

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
^^ and revelation storm:
1)mary got wasted one night and got drunk and has a dream of gabriel
2)hitler was pro-christian(muslims and jews are supposedly the christian enemies)
and 3)yes, some of the most religious ppl in htis world ARE in fact terrorists cuz there willing to kill themselves


Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
SO
HA I WIN!!!

damn communists


Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
he
y uh... revelation storm...Hitler was a christian, he killed ***JEWS*** u know, with the beanies and the candles and the no jesus? yeah hitler killed those guys, and yes my parents are christian,i was meaning to say kill themselves for their religion, so my bad on that 1


Spl!nTeRgu!tAr:
an
d dont even try and tell me hitler wasnt christian, BOTH his mom and his step dad were christian, i did 5 school reports on the guy and 2 of my best friends aaron and tim are Arian Youths, which is a national Nazi gang, uve prolly seen there 3 armed swastika b4,so dont even try to correct me on that subject


And no, I am not a "hard-core punk rocker," and I think Bush is one of the greatest Americans that has ever walked the face of the earth (besides Reagan lol). So you clearly have no idea what you are talking (from everything from Hitler to my political beliefs) so yeah, like WolfPack said, just back off and quit making yourself sound utterly ignorant.



i take absolutly NO offense to that, i AM ignorant, and i think i saw a comment on sum1 not being american... if u live in anoither country, thats fine. but for all of u "african" ppl or ne of u "mexican" ppl: IF U WERE BORN HERE U ARE AMERICAN U DUMBASSES. IF U WERE BORN IN AFRICA OR MEXICO THEN U HAVE A RIGHT TO CALL YOURSELVES AFRICAN OR MEXICAN.

sry guys that just annoys the piss outta me when black ppl say there african... especially when i can draw a bette rmap of africa then they can...

[peter hadad]

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr

So you agree with me then?

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

peter hadad:
"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor."

-William C. Easttom II


Like I said the music is not my taste, fair enough might be to others... to qoute an earlier post;
"Q: Is Christian music a powerful new breed that could change a generation?
A: Nope"

I would have to agree.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
AAHHA YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINaLLY SOMEONE THAT SEES WHY IM NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!
but dont get me wrong guys, i have a really really deep respect for christianity, because of all the religions ive studied for on reports, projects, etc. christianity makes the most sense. there IS proff jesus exists, but theres no proof Budha exists. Theres proof that jesus DID have some sort of power, holy, kids majic, or w/e, it HAS been proven. it makes the most sense. and im not trying to get in revelation storms face again, i never ONCE said that i disliked any religions, i just said christian music sucks... and thats my opinion.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

peter hadad:
Spl!nTeRgu!tAr



So you agree with me then?


yeah my last 2 posts are saying ure right and im glad im not the only one that thinks revelation storm is annoying.... and for wolfpack07, i dunno WHAT the hell ure problem is, its not ure damn business so stay the hell outta it. jees, and in case u havent noticed ppl that butt into each others business, ppl that are contradicting and hippocritical, and high pitched britich accents piss me off, annoy me, or both

[barn_04]

splinter guitar ..ur an idiot...u have no clue what ur talking about ...nothing u say makes any sense...and these views u have of christianity...are probably what one of ur stoned friends told u..
MY point is that if u chose to not follow jesus u will go to hell..thats a fact...if u chose to follow satan u will go to hell...if u chose jesus to be in ur life u will go to heaven...soo rejecting God will not bring u to heaven ..it will only bring u to hell for eternity after u die...thats a fact too...theres no way around it..it kinda sucks for those who arent saved huh..its ur decision ..im sick of hearing all u guys joke about it...becuz its going to suck for u when u die and u find out that ur going to spend eternity in HELL
thanx

[barn_04]

no offense

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

ure the idiot barn. ure sitting there calling me an idiot then ure like "no offense" duhr

and u mind ure ***in business too

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

barn_04:
splinter guitar ..ur an idiot...u have no clue what ur talking about ...nothing u say makes any sense...and these views u have of christianity...are probably what one of ur stoned friends told u..
MY point is that if u chose to not follow jesus u will go to hell..thats a fact...if u chose to follow satan u will go to hell...if u chose jesus to be in ur life u will go to heaven...soo rejecting God will not bring u to heaven ..it will only bring u to hell for eternity after u die...thats a fact too...theres no way around it..it kinda sucks for those who arent saved huh..its ur decision ..im sick of hearing all u guys joke about it...becuz its going to suck for u when u die and u find out that ur going to spend eternity in HELL
thanx



HEY DUMBASS< I NEVER SAID I HAVE NE THING AGAINS CHRISTIANITY OR CHRISTIANS I SAID I FUCKIN DONT LIKE THE MUSIC!!!! MY WHOLE FUCKING FAMILY IS CHRISTIAN EXCEPT ME AND MY COUSIN SO FUCK THE HELL OFF! I SAID I HAVE RESPECT FOR CHRISTIANITY CUZ IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE< I NEVER ONCE SAID I HAVE NETHING AGAINST IT< THERES JUST STILL TOO MANY QUESTIONS UNANSWERED FOR ME TO BE A CHRISTIAN! SO MIND URE WON FUCKING BUSINESS AND STAY OUTTS MINE CUZ I NEVER ONCE SAID CHRISTIANITY WAS POINTLESS STUPID, ETC.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and barn... u repeat ureself WAY too much for me to have a SHRED of respect for u. i have alotta respect for revelation storm, cuz he acctually knows what hes talking about. and again, i never said i hated him, i never said he is dumb for his beliefs. so how about YOU quit insulting me for what I believe to save ureself the embarrassment of u saying more hippocritical shit

[peter hadad]

My point is that if u chose to not follow jesus u will go to hell..thats a fact...if u chose to follow satan u will go to hell...if u chose jesus to be in ur life u will go to heaven...soo rejecting God will not bring u to heaven ..it will only bring u to hell for eternity after u die...thats a fact too...theres no way around it..it kinda sucks for those who arent saved huh..its ur decision ..im sick of hearing all u guys joke about it...becuz its going to suck for u when u die and u find out that ur going to spend eternity in HELL

You don't seriously believe that a 'loving' God would send his own creation to an eternity of pain and suffering; just because they exercised the free will he gave them by cjoosing not to believe in him.

You shouldn't really call people "stoned" because they have a view point different to yours; it's that sort of judgemental attitude that turns so many people away from religion. Make threats of hell if you will, but just know that you annoy people by doing so.

CUZ I NEVER ONCE SAID CHRISTIANITY WAS POINTLESS STUPID, ETC.

This just shows you would do well to actually take notice of people are saying.

...Anyway at least in hell I can listen to Iron Maiden (who according to RevelationStorm are on their way to hell because they don't sing about God. If that were true how shallow would that be?), who are actually a good band who make better music than any "christian band".

and high pitched britich accents piss me off, annoy me, or both

Yeah me too, down with posh people, down with that upper class bullshit and down with the f*cking royal family!

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and by the way its Spl!nterGu!tar... not splinter guitar

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

peter hadad:
My point is that if u chose to not follow jesus u will go to hell..thats a fact...if u chose to follow satan u will go to hell...if u chose jesus to be in ur life u will go to heaven...soo rejecting God will not bring u to heaven ..it will only bring u to hell for eternity after u die...thats a fact too...theres no way around it..it kinda sucks for those who arent saved huh..its ur decision ..im sick of hearing all u guys joke about it...becuz its going to suck for u when u die and u find out that ur going to spend eternity in HELL


You don't seriously believe that a 'loving' God would send his own creation to an eternity of pain and suffering; just because they exercised the free will he gave them by cjoosing not to believe in him.

You shouldn't really call people "stoned" because they have a view point different to yours; it's that sort of judgemental attitude that turns so many people away from religion. Make threats of hell if you will, but just know that you annoy people by doing so.

CUZ I NEVER ONCE SAID CHRISTIANITY WAS POINTLESS STUPID, ETC.

This just shows you would do well to actually take notice of people are saying.

...Anyway at least in hell I can listen to Iron Maiden (who according to RevelationStorm are on their way to hell because they don't sing about God. If that were true how shallow would that be?), who are actually a good band who make better music than any "christian band".

and high pitched britich accents piss me off, annoy me, or both


Yeah me too, down with posh people, down with that upper class bullshit and down with the f*cking royal family!

LMAO!!!!!!!!! yeah i have 1 peron on my side in here... if theres anyone else that agrees with us then feel free to step up

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

but yeah... u see at least in the islamic faith u have sumthing to look foreward to... 50 virgins or sumthin like that? thats ***ing awesome! and in christianity i take it heaven is what uve always wanted, its your own personal pardadise... well my own personal paradise is sumwhere i can listen to metallica lamb of god and iron maiden with out getting bitched at. and if that paradise is located in hell then so be it!

[barn_04]

this is very interesting..are u guys like 12 or something...cuz u tlak like u are...no offense ..but just becuz u have ur own "personal paradise" does not mean u will go there when u die...and i dont think u guys understand that in hell...theres eternal suffering ..not do what ever the hell u want and listen to mettalica..

p.s. heaven is not ur own personal paradise...nobody gets exactly what they want..and trust me..hell as a very far place away from ur own personal paradise

[RevelationStorm]

peter, i have CHOSEN not to choose another "cuss." There have been tons of words that have flown through my mind, but I think "ignorant" is definitely the word that describes you best. Secondly, this whole article is based on Christianity and its music. The opinion of yours that I am so determined not to listen to is your opinion on Bush. Why would i want to hear your opinion on that? That is completely off the subject. And yes, i am a little aggressive (i guess I'm apologizing for that) but you act like you know everything about my views and my background and you're telling me that I'm arrogant?

[RevelationStorm]

barn, I have to agree with Spl!nterGu!tar. i mean i respect the fact that you are christian (considering I am one) but you are making yourself sound ignorant. Don't just go telling people "ur gonna burn in hell!" That makes them reject christianity even more. And don't assume the religion of other people's friends either. Like saying that one of their stoned friends probably told them and stuff like that. I mean, I'm glad that you are taking up for Christianity, but you are doing it in a..."weird" way.

[RevelationStorm]

And peter don't go posting stuff like "Dude, revelationstorm, the ONLY word you use is ignorant!" I have made it clear why it is I use that word and be glad that, not like some of the other "Christian representatives" on here, i ain't cussin you out and tellin you to go to hell and junk. I have PLENTY of words I could have used in context with that, but I chose ignorant because it was the best word that fits.

P.S. I'm not "assuming" that you are gonna post that so don't think i'm actin like I know, i was also just emphasizing that in case anybody else assumes the same.

[ILG]

jesus loves all of you

[theradwun]

just cuz someones a christian doesnt make them stupid or a loser, im a christian and i have tons of non christian friends that dont hate me for it, we are just like everyone else, we arent any better we have just believe that God created us, and Jesus died because we sinned. Christian rock is a real thing,not an oxymoron. we believe God gave us our lives and the talent to play the guitat (or wutever u play) and Christian bands have decided to use that talent to give him glory, to give back to him for giving to us. i think u could have a Christian band without singing about God, as long as you play and just let people no your Chrisians,(as long as its clean) then Christian bands can be just as fun to listen to as any other band.just cuz its "Christian" doesnt mean you cant like it. And for the poeple that openely disrespect God, even if u dont believe in it, some day you will have to face him and He'll know everything you've said and thought. im not trying to scare anyone into Christianity, but it is a serious thing, if anyone wants to talk to me about this more, IM me at "theradwun" (without the quotes). excuse my bad grammar i didnt read it back to see if it makes sense

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

barn_04:
this is very interesting..are u guys like 12 or something...cuz u tlak like u are...no offense ..but just becuz u have ur own "personal paradise" does not mean u will go there when u die...and i dont think u guys understand that in hell...theres eternal suffering ..not do what ever the hell u want and listen to mettalica..

p.s. heaven is not ur own personal paradise...nobody gets exactly what they want..and trust me..hell as a very far place away from ur own personal paradise


uh... hey bro, for 1 im 16. 2 i have no problem with u and i dont want 1 so quit starting shit. 3 some people DO believe that u have ure own personal like "home" in heaven, where everything u want and enjoy is right there for you for eternity. 4 i never said i WAS going to heaven(you all should read more carefully), and 5 talkin glike you know me and you being completely wrong just amplifys how ignorant u seem to be

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and theres 1 more question i dont really get about christianity(AND I DIDNT SAY ITS STUPID OR NETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE JIGABOO WHOS GONNA SAY THATS WHAT I SAID!)... who sits there and inter worldy communicates with sum1 about what hell is like? how do we know that guys name is satan? how do we even know that satan has horns n shit liek that? for the ppl that believe in this stuff, who the *** went to hell and came back with ALL this info? and dont say God cuz if what i hear is true about how they both dont really like each other they wouldnt be telling eachother whats goin on "over on the other side"

[RevelationStorm]

Um barn, I think you're the one "tlaking" like you're 12. And how many times are you gonna repeat the exact same thing? And you talk about how Christians don't try to shove religion down other people's throats and you are sitting there telling people that they're goin to hell and they better choose Jesus and stuff or they're suffering for eternity. I mean i agree with you cuz I'm a christian but I ain't tellin people openly that christianity is THE religion of the world and practically sayin that whatever their religion is its wrong. So your posts make no sense whatsoever.

Oh and P.S. "no offense" (that also makes no sense with what you say either)

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and barn... my problem(if its even a problem nemore... im willing to end it if u r) with revelation storm, not ures. and nobody said i wanted ure opinion on how old i am, so really no one cares what u have to say in here cuz u were interupting sumthin that aint ure business. so i dunno if u got sumkinda attention craveing disorder(and if ppl correct me and say ADD or ADHD im gonna laugh cuz it has nothing to do with craving at all) then butting into other peoples business isnt the place, thats what friends are for, and if u dont have ne, then get sum from ure g/f, dont have a gf? get one

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

LMAO revelation storm

[RevelationStorm]

Spl!nTeRgu!tAr, lol dude first of all (don't know about most other christians on this but) I don't believe Satan has all the horns and red glowin eyes and junk like that. For one, the bible says that Satan (Lucifer) is the most beautiful creature. Secondly, the person....well actually, we get our information from two main sources....God and the Bible. And God knows ALL things, he doesn't have to go to hell to know what its like or what the "guy's" name is. On top of that, Jesus DID in fact go into hell, it is recorded in the new Testament. Don't really know every detail of the story but it had something to do with Him taking the keys to hell (I'll read it again). I would say it was a rather dumb question but I'm respecting the fact that you made it clear that you didn't think all of this is stupid so I won't say anything offensive to that matter. Just answerin the question bro. Later.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

mmkay dude.... but yeah u made me laugh... dont worry i was laughin wit u dude cuz i realize how dumb i sounded.... but yeah u can prolly agree with me to a certain extent here on what I have to say bout barn to counter what hes gotta say bout me

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

but yeah dude i think i got off on the wrong foot wit u so yeah im ready to stop our senseless opinionated shit if u r... and yeah i am at least a decent person

[RevelationStorm]

Yes, I agree with your opinion on barn. I respect that he's a christian and all but his posts are senseless, imperious, and pointless. And as far as peter hadad goes, i ain't even got the time to argue with him anymore.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

^ i wa talking to revelation storm... barn pissed me off too much for me to be cool to him for a couple days

[RevelationStorm]

Yeah, I think we're on the same page now. (Finally)

[RevelationStorm]

theradwun, I completely agree with you. However, i think you should make your posts on relgion and which ones are right and wrong more opinionated rather than so imperious. People don't like that and that makes them not want to be christian more and more. Just giving little advice there bro. Otherwise I agree.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

HAHA yes! hey barn, can you say "click-CLICK... BOOOOM!... UUUUUUUUrrrrrrr.... CRASH!" shot down!

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

yeah theradwun is right... but ya know the kids got good intentions, im sure didnt mean to make it seem like that, he was saying his opinion and unlike this 1 guy who starts with a B and ends with N didnt piss nebody off by gettin in there faces, so u gotta respect the guy

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

lol i just had a funny ass thoguht.. i think barn is a virgin.... HAHA im serious tho cuz hes all uptight n shit cuz i wasnt even talking to him and hes all RANY RANY RAH at me and im just like AHHH get the hell outta my face... lol just a thought....

sry guys im kinda hyper... 10 surges will do that to ya lol

[eye lub ewe]

Who feels pressured by the presence of Christian music? Who is pushing who to do what? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't listen to stuff I don't like (not that I am a good example to follow... just establishing that it is possible). And sometimes I am in a position where I have to listen to stuff I don't like. It happens. If one's views are strong enough and one is secure in oneself, they won't feel threatened. Bashing someone else's religion or views in general suggests insecurity within oneself. I guess I don't understand what the debate is about. Christian music brings happiness to many people, just like any other kind of music. Not everyone has to like it, but it's still a valid type of music. Also, one can not help it if an individual wants to "preach" his views, but that should not represent the behavior of an entire genre of artists. Truthfully that's more of the older, "contemporary christian" music. Newer christian music has evolved in part as a new type of music that gets away from the preaching, concentrates on celebrating life in general and is a genre free of lyrics that are offensive to its listeners. It may be "offensive" to others, even though it usually isn't bashing anything... but that's how music is. An art form, with views belonging to the artist. It deserves respect, even if one's personal views differ from the artist.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
Yeah, I think we're on the same page now. (Finally)

HEY GUYS I LEARNED TO QUOTE!!!


but ne ways... yeah glad were cool cuz yeah if ya look back we were bothin kinda dumb goin back and forth lol


....still hyper!!

[RevelationStorm]

eye lub ewe:
Who feels pressured by the presence of Christian music? Who is pushing who to do what? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't listen to stuff I don't like (not that I am a good example to follow... just establishing that it is possible). And sometimes I am in a position where I have to listen to stuff I don't like. It happens. If one's views are strong enough and one is secure in oneself, they won't feel threatened. Bashing someone else's religion or views in general suggests insecurity within oneself. I guess I don't understand what the debate is about. Christian music brings happiness to many people, just like any other kind of music. Not everyone has to like it, but it's still a valid type of music. Also, one can not help it if an individual wants to "preach" his views, but that should not represent the behavior of an entire genre of artists. Truthfully that's more of the older, "contemporary christian" music. Newer christian music has evolved in part as a new type of music that gets away from the preaching, concentrates on celebrating life in general and is a genre free of lyrics that are offensive to its listeners. It may be "offensive" to others, even though it usually isn't bashing anything... but that's how music is. An art form, with views belonging to the artist. It deserves respect, even if one's personal views differ from the artist.

Dude, you left me speechless. You practically said everything I've been thinking.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

eye lub ewe:
Who feels pressured by the presence of Christian music? Who is pushing who to do what? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't listen to stuff I don't like (not that I am a good example to follow... just establishing that it is possible). And sometimes I am in a position where I have to listen to stuff I don't like. It happens. If one's views are strong enough and one is secure in oneself, they won't feel threatened. Bashing someone else's religion or views in general suggests insecurity within oneself. I guess I don't understand what the debate is about. Christian music brings happiness to many people, just like any other kind of music. Not everyone has to like it, but it's still a valid type of music. Also, one can not help it if an individual wants to "preach" his views, but that should not represent the behavior of an entire genre of artists. Truthfully that's more of the older, "contemporary christian" music. Newer christian music has evolved in part as a new type of music that gets away from the preaching, concentrates on celebrating life in general and is a genre free of lyrics that are offensive to its listeners. It may be "offensive" to others, even though it usually isn't bashing anything... but that's how music is. An art form, with views belonging to the artist. It deserves respect, even if one's personal views differ from the artist.

ure acctually right dude, nice point

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

haha thats funny we both did the quoting thing at like the same like 10 mins and we didnt know its and its funny and i should definatly wait for my blood sugar to go back down lol but yeah dude, u just said it all

[RevelationStorm]

lol dude you just want to use the quote function. (I know it's nice to play with once you've figured it out)

[Wolfpack07]

Splinter guitar, what give you the right to tell me not to "butt in" if im not mistaken you butted in too, everyone butted in, its not like this whole conversation was started by you. And i am not british, so why dont you find out more about me, then you can call me whatever you want, you have pushed yourself beyond stupid, now youre just being a smartass.

[RevelationStorm]

You know eye lub ewe, I actually just realized a part in your post that i just didn't quite agree with. The part about contemporary christian music being the older stuff. Contemporary is some of the newest christian music out there. And they haven't turned away from the preaching. If you listen to bands like Audio Adrenaline, Tait, Kutless, you will see that they DO have a message and they are preaching at you. i don't mean in an offensive or aggressive way. But they are just trying to get a message across and not so much turned away from preaching like you made it out to be. And I'm not saying I totally disagree with you now, and maybe I just viewed your opinion wrong or something (please correct me if I did). But anyway, that's just my opinion on that matter.

[RevelationStorm]

Wolfpack07:
Anyways, ive said what i will say here, and im out of this whole thing.

Dude what happened to THAT message?

[Wolfpack07]

Thaks rev. storm, i have found my place and yours, God Bless

[RevelationStorm]

Don't tell me you came back just to settle your little conflict with SG (Spl!nTeRgu!tAr). if that's the case, go ahead and stop posting now, now you are just making yourself out to be completely stupid and immature. If you say you're out, then get out. And if you come back in, at least make your statement relating to the matter at hand, don't come in with some stupid irrelevant remark.

[RevelationStorm]

Wolfpack07:
Thaks rev. storm, i have found my place and yours, God Bless

Yes, yes, we all know our places, and yours should be somewhere on another forum. That's about all the aggressiveness i will have with you. Anything else will just be a debate.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

uh.... apperently im much smarter then u cuz i just said high pitched british accents piss me of... i never said ure british. and i never said i started the damn conversation, and i ALREADY told u why i butted in, cuz it seemed like revelation storm was shooting ppl opinions down with facts, and ppl like that piss me off (no offense man and yes i meant that unlike barny), and really dude, u should stop being hippocritical by saying that IM butting in when YOU butted into MY business after i butted into HIS(dammit ppl read my posts better b4 u wanna talk ure shit)

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
Wolfpac
k07:
Anyways, ive said what i will say here, and im out of this whole thing.


Dude what happened to THAT message?
[POSTED: 18 June 2004 - 00:22]|

Wolfpack07:
Thaks rev. storm, i have found my place and yours, God Bless
[POSTED: 18 June 2004 - 00:24]|

RevelationStorm:
Don'
t tell me you came back just to settle your little conflict with SG (Spl!nTeRgu!tAr). if that's the case, go ahead and stop posting now, now you are just making yourself out to be completely stupid and immature. If you say you're out, then get out. And if you come back in, at least make your statement relating to the matter at hand, don't come in with some stupid irrelevant remark.
[POSTED: 18 June 2004 - 00:24]|

RevelationStorm:
Wolfp
ack07:
Thaks rev. storm, i have found my place and yours, God Bless


Yes, yes, we all know our places, and yours should be somewhere on another forum. That's about all the aggressiveness i will have with you. Anything else will just be a debate.

HAHA DAMN STRAIGHT

so whos beyond stuipid now.....? definatly not me, 2 ppl have now realized ure wrong and hippocritiacal and more ppl will follow by morning

[GuitrFrk777]

Spl!nTeRGu!tAr, I agree with you and all, but why does shooting people's opinions down with facts make you mad? Revelationstorm knows what hes talking about at least, and at least he DOES have facts to prove his opinions. I'm not like trying to start nothing with you or anything I dont know I guess it's cuz I have agreed with RevelationStorm the whole way through.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

haha quoting is so fun

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

GuitrFrk777:
Spl!nTeRGu!
tAr, I agree with you and all, but why does shooting people's opinions down with facts make you mad? Revelationstorm knows what hes talking about at least, and at least he DOES have facts to prove his opinions. I'm not like trying to start nothing with you or anything I dont know I guess it's cuz I have agreed with RevelationStorm the whole way through.

well yeah dude i see ure point but it just made him seem like a know it all, and alotta know it alls are kinda cocky and annoying and end up pissing me off whether i see them be like that or if im the victim.
and yeah now i realize he DOES know what hes talking about and he doesnt try to make himself look bad.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

so now im cool with him, and i hope that tells u what ure lookin for

[GuitrFrk777]

yeah, i see ur point.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

but yea, if theres ne1 else who wants go get in my face then pleeeaaasseee, hesitate to ask

[RevelationStorm]

Dude where'd everybody go? it's been like us for like the past 45 mins. or so. I dont know, maybe it's the time lol. anyway, im out for the night.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

AND if u feel like getting in my face bout sumtig i said... if i wanted to make a point or if i would have sumthin to say i would have DEFINATLY said it straight up. so if u guys would stop... and look at what i say word for word and look past ure pride ud know what im saying

for example wolfpack said i called him british, when in reality i said british accents annoy me just o lighten the mood cuz sum ppl find it funny... ppl who acctually read it ne ways

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:
Dude where'd everybody go? it's been like us for like the past 45 mins. or so. I dont know, maybe it's the time lol. anyway, im out for the night.

yeah me three, later homies

[peter hadad]

RevelationStorm:
peter, i have CHOSEN not to choose another "cuss." There have been tons of words that have flown through my mind, but I think "ignorant" is definitely the word that describes you best. Secondly, this whole article is based on Christianity and its music. The opinion of yours that I am so determined not to listen to is your opinion on Bush. Why would i want to hear your opinion on that? That is completely off the subject. And yes, i am a little aggressive (i guess I'm apologizing for that) but you act like you know everything about my views and my background and you're telling me that I'm arrogant?

You and Spl!nTergu!tar brought brought up Bush not me!!! And yes in alot of your posts you have been arrogant and obnoxious; and rather than taking peoples views on board and debate them, you discard them..

but you act like you know everything about my views and my background and you're telling me that I'm arrogant

Maybe you should read my post again and pay more attention "PROBABLY SIMILAR to your own."

Now please explain to me how I am being ignorant; when I have a comprehensive knowledge of christian attitudes + beliefs and wrote a thesis on a Study Of Discipleship through Marks Gospel. I know what it means to be a Christian, once upon a time I even lived by your beliefs; I would've thought you could see that I could not be talking out of ignorance.

[peter hadad]

it seemed like revelation storm was shooting ppl opinions down with facts, and ppl like that piss me off

That is also why got involved with this arguement with you in the first place, I actually bothered to read all the prior posts and saw that he was shooting peoples beliefs down with opinions disguised as fact.

One more thing;

And as far as peter hadad goes, i ain't even got the time to argue with him anymore.

I don't want to argue with you anymore; throughout everything I've said you've taken none of it in and are still as stubborn as you were since this article was posted. I at least rented those Sorbel books that wolfpack07 reccommended (although I've been too busy to read them). Although I know you won't listen, I recommend you go to your uncle and actually learn about evolution before posting against it.

And to get back to the music which was what I first posted on; no, Iron Maiden is still better than Demon Hunter or POD or any other christian rock band (and I still can't understand why you said they would go to hell. Ok they did ONE satanic song, but if you knew about that band you would know that they all believe in God and in "number of the beast" the vocalist doesn't actually say the part when it says "666" he only says "6", so as not to offend anyone isn't that nice ?).

In response to the title of the article, no, christian music is not vital to me but as I already said its a personal choice, and again to use the quote of arelt89:

Q: Is Christian music a powerful new breed that could change a generation?
A: Nope

That simple folks.

[The Jin]

Dude, nothings wrong with religion, you should respect others religions, im not religious but i still respect christians, buddhists whatever, and anyways, Stryper weren't that bad.

[Thumbmaster23]

Although some of you are atheists and do not believe in God you do have to admit that it is strange how if a "rock" personality prclaims they are a Christian that they get flamed more than any other belief does. More than Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Atheism(yes that is a religion one highly based on faith as well I may add) bottom line is if someone wants to express that they do believe in God they should be able to do so. Just because it makes some people uncomfortable so what?! It is just plain sad that in the rock world that you are more popular if you proclaim Satan rather than if you proclaim Jesus.

[Thumbmaster23]

Just to clarify my previous comment on Atheism. I said it was based on faith, as are many other religions including Christianity. This is because the belief of no God is just that a belief. Yes I know some theories say otherwise but still only theories thereis nothing solid thatsays there is no God and there can be no God just like there is nothing that says there is a God for sure. It all comes down to the faith of the individual. Faith to believe and not to believe in God. Oh and some say that Christians are all doomsayers that say we're all going to hell. First some are but that is only a portion not all. The reason they preach because they are trying to inform an ignorant public. Think about it if you knew that 9/11 was gonna happen before it did would you warn people? yeah and you'd probably get laughed at. The problem is that we as humans tend to ignore things until its to late but enough ranting for me Im sure the Christ-hatin morons want to put in their hypocritical two cents in on how Christians are terrorists or some crap like that

[RevelationStorm]

peter, I know i said i wouldn't argue anymore, but this one got me.

And to get back to the music which was what I first posted on; no, Iron Maiden is still better than Demon Hunter or POD or any other christian rock band (and I still can't understand why you said they would go to hell. Ok they did ONE satanic song, but if you knew about that band you would know that they all believe in God and in "number of the beast" the vocalist doesn't actually say the part when it says "666" he only says "6", so as not to offend anyone isn't that nice ?).

Dude, Iron Maiden, not only isn't christian. But they WORHSIP and i mean worship Satan whether you'll admit it or not. And yes, they say 666, my friend has the CD and I heard it just this morning to see if you were right. You weren't. And dude, just cuz they BELIEVE in God doesnt mean He's their God. Dude let me let you in on a little something (that I know you already know), SATAN believes in God okay? And if you can find anyone else who opposes God anymore than he does, please let me know. I guess I should apologize for "judging" bands like that but just because their "music" is better and they're more talented than alot of Christian artists, that doesn't mean that they have a spot in Heaven.

[RevelationStorm]

And yes, I know you said "PROBABLY SIMILAR" and all i said was, "your background is no where near similar to mine." You don't have to get all aggressive, I read your post word for word. i know exactly what you said ok? You don't have to remind me. All I did was answer your question bro.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

The Jin:
Dude, nothings wrong with religion, you should respect others religions, im not religious but i still respect christians, buddhists whatever, and anyways, Stryper weren't that bad.

thats exactly what i was sayin, i never said ne ofem are stupid, or nething, i was just saying that i respect christianity the most cuz of all the proof it has. but again, theres still not enough for me to be enrolled in it(AND NO I DIDNT INSULT CHRISIANS/CHRISTIANITY)

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

The reason they preach because they are trying to inform an ignorant public. Think about it if you knew that 9/11 was gonna happen before it did would you warn people? yeah and you'd probably get laughed at. The problem is that we as humans tend to ignore things until its to late but enough ranting for me Im sure the Christ-hatin morons want to put in their hypocritical two cents in on how Christians are terrorists or some crap like that

well... uh... the thing is there dude, 9/11 happened cuz our government over looked it, they thought they didnt have the man power or the skill to pull it off.... not cuz they were muslim. yes, religion DID have a lot to do with it, because theyre declaring "HOLY WAR" against the US(even though the US is made up of different faiths all together). but ignorance had almost nothing to do with it

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and as i side note were handing there asses to them on a silver platter and making them eat it with a spoon

[RevelationStorm]

and making them drink their own blood in fancy wine glasses.

[GuitrFrk777]

Peter, talk about obnoxious dude. You are becoming one of the most obnoxious users on this forum. It's like the only reason you are even still on here is because you are DETERMINED to just put down RevelationStorm. And so, yes, I call that ignorant. And another thing, the reason Christians (well, most of them) will discard someone's view opposing Christianity is because they simply have no interest on people's views on why you think Christianity isn't right. You are being really obnoxious saying that he is arrogant and obnoxious for doing that. You are one of the most arrogant people on here. You act like you know everything. And why should he take some of what you said in? Dude, you know people don't have to listen to other people. You sound ridiculous when you say he is ignorant for not listening to your opinion. That is really stupid man.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

^yeah it kinda is but hey, i KNOW im ignorant... but im ignorant to a certain extent, but im not ignorant to the point where i wont listen

[GuitrFrk777]

^you missed the point. I was saying that it is NOT ignorant not to listen to someone like pater hadad's opinion on certain things. If that were true, then we would have to listen to EVERYONE'S opinion and that just isn't necessary. Peter gets mad when people don't listen to him, and he doesn't know why? ha! See i just think THAT is ignorant. Not listening to his opinion is not.

[peter hadad]

Dude, Iron Maiden, not only isn't christian. But they WORHSIP and i mean worship Satan whether you'll admit it or not. And yes, they say 666, my friend has the CD and I heard it just this morning to see if you were right. You weren't. And dude, just cuz they BELIEVE in God doesnt mean He's their God. Dude let me let you in on a little something (that I know you already know), SATAN believes in God okay? And if you can find anyone else who opposes God anymore than he does, please let me know. I guess I should apologize for "judging" bands like that but just because their "music" is better and they're more talented than alot of Christian artists, that doesn't mean that they have a spot in Heaven.

I can understand why you got confused (I should've been more specific)... Have you ever listened to Maiden live? That song was recorded in 1982, since then they only use "6", rather than "666". Oh, and the drummer wears a crucifix round his neck; long live nicko mcbrain!

RevelationStorm:
And yes, I know you said "PROBABLY SIMILAR" and all i said was, "your background is no where near similar to mine." You don't have to get all aggressive, I read your post word for word. i know exactly what you said ok? You don't have to remind me. All I did was answer your question bro.

Sorry, I just thought you were taking it as an offence; and anyway I was trying to emphasise that what I said was after all only an assumption. Oh, and sorry if it seemed aggressive, that wasn't my aim.

GuitrFrk777:
Peter, talk about obnoxious dude. You are becoming one of the most obnoxious users on this forum. It's like the only reason you are even still on here is because you are DETERMINED to just put down RevelationStorm.

If you indeeed read everything on you would know we've been putting each other down; something neither of us are proud of; and this was not planned, but ended up happening. The point is we were BOTH being as bad as each other.

And so, yes, I call that ignorant.

Ermm... That's not the meaning of ignorant.

[peter hadad]

And why should he take some of what you said in? Dude, you know people don't have to listen to other people.

Because I take note to listen to everyones views, and in a perfect world people would do the same no matter what they believed.

I have also emphasised many times that both sides should listen to each others arguements; so comments like,

"Turn to Jesus or go to an eternity of pain" or "Jesus was a cunt"

Could be stopped and we could get a decent discussion going in place of them. This is why people should listen to each other (besides it also being good manners). And here's some advice; when constructing an arguement you should try to undermine the opposing sides view, to do this effectively you should attempt to listen and understand it.

Anyway, pray for my lost soul.

[peter hadad]

Oh yea... Wolfpack07 I read through most of those Sorbel books. Most of the stuff in them I'm already familiar with, but anyhow still an interesting read.

[Thumbmaster23]

Dude, splinterguitar you just said that 9/11 happened because our gov't overlooked it (i.e. ignorance) then said that 9/11 did not happen b/c of ignorance.????????
Look I don't even have to say anything you just contradicted your own comment with an oxymoronical statement. My point was that Christians feel that they have something important to share and not all of us "force"our opinions on each other (I know you didn't say that specifically but others have commented on this). Sure there are some radicals, every religion including atheism has 'em. But a lot of Christians just have really strong beliefs and they stick by them, they share them with other people but they do not literally condemn others for being non-Christian. Remember Jesus himself sat and ate with harlots (hookers) and tax colectors b/c he felt those were who needed him the most

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

Thumbmaster23:
Dude, splinterguitar you just said that 9/11 happened because our gov't overlooked it (i.e. ignorance) then said that 9/11 did not happen b/c of ignorance.????????
Look I don't even have to say anything you just contradicted your own comment with an oxymoronical statement. My point was that Christians feel that they have something important to share and not all of us "force"our opinions on each other (I know you didn't say that specifically but others have commented on this). Sure there are some radicals, every religion including atheism has 'em. But a lot of Christians just have really strong beliefs and they stick by them, they share them with other people but they do not literally condemn others for being non-Christian. Remember Jesus himself sat and ate with harlots (hookers) and tax colectors b/c he felt those were who needed him the most

hey bro, i never said it happened cuz of ignorance, over looking and ignorance are different there buddy, ignorance is where u have ure own opinion and dont/halfass listen to another persons opinon and or the truth. where over looking is more of condoning, where ure just gonna let it pass. they didnt believe the threat of 9/11 cuz they didnt bleiev that they had the kind of man power to piull it off. if it was ignorance they wouldve over looked it cuz theyre muslims. and they know what terrorists can do, so thayre almost never igorant about terrorism, it was all just a matter of "can they really do it?" and they all agreed upon the answer "no" and trashed it

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

again people, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stfu if ure gonna yell at me cuz only revekation storm has suceeded in shutting me up and that was becuase the dudes smart, none of you have been able to cuz u dont even read what i say as well as u read others, if another one like that last 1(read around the points of my last post and yell at me cuz im wrong) comes up im just gonna stop responding and wasting my damn time.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

now if you ASK me what i meant becuase u didnt understand sumthin or didnt get it right or i worded it wierd or sumthing, sure illl help ya out, but if ure just gonna half-ass read my post and miss my point then yell at me cuz im wrong them im just gonna not respond

[RevelationStorm]

Peter, Man we're obviously getting nowhere with this long-statement, aggressive, argumentative nonsense. I don't know about you but I think we're both acting stupid and making immature comments. As for now, I'm gonna go ahead and cease the arguing with you. All we're doing is taking up space in this page.

[RevelationStorm]

Thumbmaster23:
Dude, splinterguitar you just said that 9/11 happened because our gov't overlooked it (i.e. ignorance) then said that 9/11 did not happen b/c of ignorance.????????
Look I don't even have to say anything you just contradicted your own comment with an oxymoronical statement.

First of all, it's "oxymoronic statement." Oxymoronical isn't a word dude. See too many people on here are trying to sound intelligent and they make themselves look like fools. Secondly, condoning an action of thought-to-be terrorists is not, by any means, ignorant. If they HADN'T been terrorists, then the U.S. Government would have looked like idiots for sending out a false alarm and they weren't willing to take that risk of humiliation.

My point was that Christians feel that they have something important to share and not all of us "force"our opinions on each other (I know you didn't say that specifically but others have commented on this). Sure there are some radicals, every religion including atheism has 'em. But a lot of Christians just have really strong beliefs and they stick by them, they share them with other people but they do not literally condemn others for being non-Christian. Remember Jesus himself sat and ate with harlots (hookers) and tax colectors b/c he felt those were who needed him the most

As I recall, you never even STARTED a point with that. Therefore, how could you have said "My point WAS..." Dude, quit putting the blame of ignorance on other people when all you do is reverse your accusations and pursue them on your own. You are taking the accusations you made towards Splinter Guitar and take action in them yourself. Thirdly, Jesus didn't just SIT and EAT with those kinds of people. He PREACHED to them, and BLESSED them, and MINISTERED to them, and HELPED them, and PRAYED for them. Dude, I mean I don't know what point you were trying to get across but the statement you made was directed towards what Christians do and what Jesus did and that statement didn't really represent the Christian religion too well.

......In other words, quit posting. Au revoir.

[peter hadad]

RevelationStorm:
Peter, Man we're obviously getting nowhere with this long-statement, aggressive, argumentative nonsense. I don't know about you but I think we're both acting stupid and making immature comments. As for now, I'm gonna go ahead and cease the arguing with you. All we're doing is taking up space in this page.

Agreed. But I think you misunderstood, my last post was saying, that my use of capitals was not meant to be offensive or whatever.

And that thing about Iron Maiden, I should've been more specific. In my last post I was only saying just to inform you.

:cheers:

[gnlrocks07]

ok, (1) Music is not just noise...to people that appreciate music, listen to it, and have some kinda taste, music is an incredible form of self expression that is interesting to other people.

(2)I'mma Christian, and i dont see why anyone is knockin Christianity. It's not as if we're "forcing" our religion on you; its more like someone who found a cure to AIDS, cancer, and/or something else terrible. Doesnt that person have a responsibility to share the cure? Don't say "if i don't want the cure, than no"...everyone knows the answer to the question is yes. We know how to avoid an eternity in hell and live our life for the Son of the Creator of the Universe, and jus think it'd be cool to share it with those who don't. We can't "force" anyone to become a Christian; its their choice. Most(Christians) leave it to God and drop the subject if a non-believer said they're not interested in Christ. Also, what right do atheists have to judge Christians? Sure, we screw up like anyone else. Its not very smart to say Christianity as a whole is wrong because you saw a few of us screw up. At least , overall, we got the right idea, while the atheist is really trying to justify a life without God/Jesus by bashing those who praise him.

(3)"Christian rock is an oxymoron"? No man...jus no. Its about the music. Christian rock is called Christian cus of the lyrics, however, the genre of the music can be a lot of stuff. Theres Christian Metal, Christian Punk, Christian Alternative, and others, so Christian Rock can rock it jus as hard as non-Christian rock...

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

RevelationStorm:

First of all, it's "oxymoronic statement." Oxymoronical isn't a word dude. See too many people on here are trying to sound intelligent and they make themselves look like fools. Secondly, condoning an action of thought-to-be terrorists is not, by any means, ignorant. If they HADN'T been terrorists, then the U.S. Government would have looked like idiots for sending out a false alarm and they weren't willing to take that risk of humiliation.

As I recall, you never even STARTED a point with that. Therefore, how could you have said "My point WAS..." Dude, quit putting the blame of ignorance on other people when all you do is reverse your accusations and pursue them on your own. You are taking the accusations you made towards Splinter Guitar and take action in them yourself. Thirdly, Jesus didn't just SIT and EAT with those kinds of people. He PREACHED to them, and BLESSED them, and MINISTERED to them, and HELPED them, and PRAYED for them. Dude, I mean I don't know what point you were trying to get across but the statement you made was directed towards what Christians do and what Jesus did and that statement didn't really represent the Christian religion too well.

......In other words, quit posting. Au revoir.

yeah pretty much, but i know the dude didnt mean it to be an ass like the other ppl that yelled at me, but he still didnt get ANY of my points... so again, when revelation storm said to "stop posting".... i am 110% behind him for everyone that aint even gonna read my posts on there grade level

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

yeah alotta ppl in here are all like "look at me! i know what im talking about! even tho im just stupid and in about an hour or so spl!ntergu!tar and revelation storm are gonna shoot me down cuz im dumb!"

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

"duhr!"

[Leaves99ToFind1]

This is to everyone who calls themselves a Christian on here: STOP CURSING PEOPLE! Like I said earlier, Christ is love and we're supposed to follow his example! Stop calling people ignorant and stupid and everything else y'all have said. If you want others to be christians then set a good example for them and ONLY respond with love. ONLY!!!

[Leaves99ToFind1]

Also, there's a verse in the bible that talks about helping someone who is on the wrong path and how you chould correct them GENTLY. Keyword... gently!! If you supposedly are a christian and follow the bible, then do it!

[Leaves99ToFind1]

oh and by the way, i'm not gonna mention names, but you'll know who you are when i say it... You're not supposed to argue others into covnerting to be a christian. You are supposed to lead by example with love and all the other fruits of the spirit (faithfulness, kindness, etc. (talks about them in the bible)). The whole purpose of being on this planet is to make others deciples of Christ so stop wasting your time saying meaningless arguments to people. What does that accomplish?

[Vogs]

Ok, another controversial article for me to respond to. This is currently, Comment #2, started at 4:47am.
Once again, I read most of the comments to this, and I'd like to say to all the people that bashed the religion...actually I have nothing to say. It's just a stupid thing to do. People will believe whatever helps them sleep at night, whatever they think will save them when they die. No one can be forced to believe anything, as is evident in our world history. Entire wars have been fought over religion, and this article started just another small battle.
To prove that not all Christian music doesnt force ideals on you, I've been listening to it for some time without even knowing it. Did you know Smile Empty Soul did Christian music? I didnt untill I heard it on the radio! Then it made sense when I listened to the lyrics again.
I'm not a Christian. I'm going to try it out though, because maybe I'll like it. I'm not really anything. I dont listen to one kind of music. I could say that music is my religion...my sanity. Any religion that preaches love is a good religion right? There's enough hate in the world without having a whole religion to preach it.
Everyone is different. Everyone believes different things. I dont believe the Bible word for word, because it was someone's interpretation for events that happened a long time ago. That first interpretation has been translated and interpreted many times since then. Looking past the literal meanings of all of the stories, the Bible is really a long story with some morals in it. Its a history of what happened, not the exact way things should happen now.
I'm getting off track now. Basically, its just music. Listen to it or dont. Its not forced on you and you can take the lyrics as litterally or as spiritually as you like. A song is supposed to touch you and mean something to YOU.
Vogs

[Tim Woodrow]

man I didn't even read this article, but I'm goin to have a pop anyway.
If there's one thing I hate it's all these nemes, NU-Metal - Punk - thrash metal etc it's all just rock -
and there is no god. so what in the name of satans chubby but cheeks R U on about?

[Tim Woodrow]

god help me spell, amen

[RevelationStorm]

Tim Woodrow:
man I didn't even read this article, but I'm goin to have a pop anyway.
If there's one thing I hate it's all these nemes, NU-Metal - Punk - thrash metal etc it's all just rock -
and there is no god. so what in the name of satans chubby but cheeks R U on about?

Tim Woodrow:
god help me spell, amen

I'm not even going to say anything. You are truly an idiot.

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

thats a record... out of all there posts no1 has bitched me out

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

and revelation storm is right.... tim woodrows DEFINATLY not worth yelling back to

[guitar_freek69]

who cares just crank out some black metal and hail satan i mean christians were the ones who were saying rock is the devil's music i mean what the hell

[RevelationStorm]

guitar_freek69:
who cares just crank out some black metal and hail satan i mean christians were the ones who were saying rock is the devil's music i mean what the hell

Dude, i don't know what christians you were talking to but I never said rock is the devil's music dude. Some BANDS might be satan worhsippers and yes they happened to be rock bands. Now, I will tell you this, I personally don't think bands like 38th Parallel, P.O.D., and bands like that are christian. They LABEL themselves christian but when you think about it they don't really portray an accurate view of what christian music is. But I firmly believe that you can have christian rock music. It is STILL praising the Lord and it has attracted MANY to the love of Christ.

[luther527]

rev-
are you referring to more traditional worship music as an accurate portrayal of christian music. i believe christian music can be any genre as long as it gives glory to Christ

[theradwun]

i saw one of these articles written earlier in one of these, and someone said, "how do we no satan has horns and all that", thats just an image made by the world. i wouldnt expect a non christian to know that, but satan was an angel who wanted to be more powerful than God, so he was cast out of heaven and created hell. satan is actually described as beautiful. and he appears to people (not physically) as beautiful and fun, but hell is eternal torture while heaven is eternal happiness with God. just wanted to clear that up.

[theradwun]

and i agree with leaves99for1, we should show people the truth not shove it down there throats

[darkstar9814]

i go to catholic school, and yes christians are weird ppl. but wat did this haveto do w/christian rock, or music in general???

[Frankenfesten43]

Christian rock is gay. I am a Muslim, so why not have Islamic Rock? OR Buddhist Punk? Jewish Metal? Heavy Hindi Metal? Why can only Christians have a kind of music?

[Pedestrian]

Christian music isnt anything new. They've been singing about God for ages. But seriously... who cares? 'Christian rock' is awful in a musical sense. Just like most music today.

[Vogs]

Dear Frankenfesten43
Why dont you start Islamic Rock? No one is stopping you. Christian's obviously did it.
Vogs

[luther527]

Frankenfesten43-
vogs has a good point. nobody ever said any other religion can't produce rock music. nobody ever said christians are the only people who could have their own type of music.

[luther527]

Frankenfesten43-
why do you call christain music "gay"? it it b/c it is christian or b/c you dont like some of the music? What music have you heard that led you to make your rather uninsightful comment?

[luther527]

gnlrocks07
way to have an awesome analogy

[Tim Woodrow]

Hi God suckers, Do I have to spell it out for you?
O.K. Rock is rock - Any other factor to get to the fin-product is fine, but it's the music that matters -
for example Soulfly kick ass, But I don't have any faith, infact people so weak to pray for help rather than helping thems selves repulse me, but I let that go
coz the muzic rocks any one disagree tell it to god

[gnlrocks07]

so weak to pray for help? I'm sure you can "help yourself" with everything thrown your way, or anyone elses.....(not really)

[guitarabuse88]

I love Jesus

[Leaves99ToFind1]

Tim Woodrow... you try that for a while and then come back and tell me how that's working for you cause I can't do anything without Christ. And what really makes a person weak is when they refuse to ask anyone's help when they need it and try to do it all on their own. Maybe it works for you, i dunno, but I promise it won't last... Next time you come to a struggle try asking God to help you and maybe you'll like it better and find it easier. Maybe not, but it's worth a try!

[blueeleguitar]

Great writy thingy. i agree with Leaves

[metallic_101]

Everyone needs to acknowledge that Christian, or any other religious music is not needed. Please get religion out of my face and out of this world so we can move on and concentrate on awesome music and living.

[Mike Snipe]

I am too a Christian and anyone who does not believe should consider going to a church and see that it is the best decision you will ever make and you will have a wonderful peace in your life (also, you will def. not go to hell if you are saved which is a huge deal). If you just go out saying that Christ is some magician and this and that and just say Christian music is terrible, you need to be more open. For example, i cannot stand country music, but I can tolerate it and i respect a lot of the aritist because of their talents/gifts. Being a more open person is something great to be and everyone should try it. Also, to the comment above me, music is a tool for people to get their feelings out and Christianity and other religeons is a feeling. Also, someone at the top said that religeoneous people are terrorists or something like that, well, those people are Islam or Muslim, which goes against the Christian belief.

[Tim Woodrow]

Holy ghost, god smokers hers a little story it's like a bible story not true so you should be able to eat it up -
once upon a time this guy called Jesus called me up and said hey dude what yer doin, not much I said.
wanna come out and pray, Jesus said.
NO - I said I'm on a website about guitars (get it)..

[gnlrocks07]

thats the stupidest thing i've ever read.......ever

[RevelationStorm]

Tim Woodrow:
Holy ghost, god smokers hers a little story it's like a bible story not true so you should be able to eat it up -
once upon a time this guy called Jesus called me up and said hey dude what yer doin, not much I said.
wanna come out and pray, Jesus said.
NO - I said I'm on a website about guitars (get it)..

You have no idea what your purpose is here do you? Dude, if you are just going to continuously bash this article and the other posts on here then get off. We don't need you. People will soon lose respect in your posts and stop reading them and no one will give a flip about you in the near future. Quit acting like you're 8 and grow up man.

[Mike Snipe]

Lol, go RevelationStorm!! woot woot, (i'm bering serious too, not sarcastic)

[Tim Woodrow]

correct me if I'm wrong Revelationstorm but this is a guitar and music website isn't it?

[RevelationStorm]

Yes, that's correct. It is a guitar website.




Um.....your point please?

[Tim Woodrow]

Well revelationstorm what is the point you have your religious view I have my scientific proof lets just agree to disagree. -
and not use a guitar website as a Sunday service or a God- haters platform.

[RevelationStorm]

That's exactly what I just said. (Not literally of course)

[twotonerudie]

look, christianity doesn't try to shove it down your throat. they don't try to convert you because you're wrong and they're right. as far as they're concerned, they're trying to save you from hell.

[no_quarter05]

all u atheists or ppl who bash christ can suck deez nutz. also u are all hicks and smell like a cornfield.

[Guy Snowden]

things ive learned from this article:
-Atheists always shove their opinions down peoples throats and are inevitably patronising.
-Theists are naíve
-Some Theists even contradict their own beliefs in their writing

im not with any of you losers.....does this make me agnostic?

[Cyber_Guitarist]

I am a christian, I know many Christians try and force everything down your throat, and I'm against that, Jesus never did that, as Christians we are encouraged to 'spread the word', but not like that. I believe I am right in saying not as many people would not be anti-christian if people never tried to shove it down their throats, don't be anti-christian just be against their method of 'spreading the word'.

[vanceboy]

i hate christian music, for some weird reason. They have really good guitar, but when i start listening to the lyrics, i wanna puke. IDK why, but i just want to. Wait . . . i do know why, cuz it sucks.

[RevelationStorm]

im not with any of you losers.....does this make me agnostic?

No, it doesn't make you agonostic, it makes you look stupid for calling people in here losers just by stating your beliefs. Well, I mean you COULD be agnostic but it is highly doubtful from reading the information in which you have provided.

[totenkopf]

I'm a christian, but christian music bores me

[Cyrus-602]

The reasons the worlds so fcuked up is because of religion,musics there to be enjoyed dont let religion mess that up to

[HOOBAROCKS]

ALL YOU HELLISH ASSHOLES OUT THERE BASHING CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY ARE GOING TO HELL. AND ALL OF US CHRISTIANS ARE GOIN TO HEAVEN. AND GUESS WHAT. WERE GONNA BE ROCKIN ON OUR GUITARS IN HEAVEN AND YOUR GONNA BE WISHIN YOU COULD JUST HOLD A E STRING OR SOMETHIN. SO UP YOURS.

[HOOBAROCKS]

ALL YOU HELLISH ASSHOLES OUT THERE BASHING CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY ARE GOING TO HELL. AND ALL OF US CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO HEAVEN. AND GUESS WHAT. WERE GONNA BE ROCKIN ON OUR GUITARS IN HEAVEN AND YOUR GONNA BE WISHIN YOU COULD JUST A E STRING OR SOMETHIN. SO UP YOURS.


WELL SAID!!

[RevelationStorm]

HOOBAROCKS:
ALL YOU HELLISH ASSHOLES OUT THERE BASHING CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY ARE GOING TO HELL. AND ALL OF US CHRISTIANS ARE GOIN TO HEAVEN. AND GUESS WHAT. WERE GONNA BE ROCKIN ON OUR GUITARS IN HEAVEN AND YOUR GONNA BE WISHIN YOU COULD JUST HOLD A E STRING OR SOMETHIN. SO UP YOURS.

Man, I don't even know what to say to that. And the band part about that is I'm a Christian and I love Christian rock. But what you just posted was about the worst and far-off example of a Christian i have ever seen. Cussing people out telling them that you're going to heaven and they're going to hell and junk. That's a self-righteous, hypocritical, scurrilous, senseless, moronic, pointless rant of utter hypocracy right there bro. Hate to say it, cuz I mean you claim you're a Christian but I garauntee that if you didn't say you were people wouldn't see it. And if you're one of those Christians who are always lecturing people about how God is always watching us and stuff, then I highly doubt that he just appreciated your completely ignorant post.

[HOOBAROCKS]

yes you are very right about that. im sorry about it.
i just getted so worked up at all the chriastianity bashers and stuff. im a christian and that was wrong of me. forgive me. (that was not sarcastic)

[HOOBAROCKS]

oh and one other. kutless is a great band.

[HOOBAROCKS]

are you a preacher revelationstorm?

[HOOBAROCKS]

im bored

[HOOBAROCKS]

will someone reply back without bein mean
and callin me immature

[RevelationStorm]

No I'm not a preacher, I'm just a lover of Christian music lol.

[RevelationStorm]

Apology accepted.

[HOOBAROCKS]

ok so am i

[HOOBAROCKS]

let me make that more clear. im a christian and i also love christian music.

[HOOBAROCKS]

revelation storm is a cool guy. hes not like the rest of you guys being immature and rude. you guys could learn a lot from him.

[HOOBAROCKS]

now let me get off the subject of revelationstorm before yall think im gay. there are some great christian rock bands out there. lets see you got kutless, 12 stones, switchfoot, and for you linkin park fans you should try out dc talk, they mix rap with rock just like linkin park. i know im the only one posting on this subject now but who cares. im just bored.

[Opathetic]

Bands that use every song to talk aboou how they were saved I don't like, I just like bands that aren't anti-christian. If the members of the band are christian or neutral sure, but I just don't like listening to music that is anti-christian. And I wish people would stop bringing what some christians do into the argument, that's not what religion is about, terrorism and war.

[HOOBAROCKS]

i heard chevelle was a christian band. true or false.

[jesusfreak87]

Hey Guys who are skeptical--try listening to bands like switchfoot, audio adrenaline, kutless, thousand foot crutch, relient k. If you want to know more just post.

[HOOBAROCKS]

i agree with jesusfreak87 except for thousand foot crutch never heard anything bye em. and relient k sounds like good charlotte.

[ScarredFaith]

I'd just like to drop by and say, the mainstream has infected music and destroyed it. Christian Music is more Rock 'n Roll then most bands out there, because they'll never be as big as the sellout whores mettallica, they'll never speak loudly on MTV about why Bush sucks. Check yourselves, music today is a disgrace and to say anything different only proves your mainstream idiocy. Long live the underground and long live ***ing rock and roll.

[guitardude98]

good article...obviously lots of people have their opinions on christians. Half of the people aren'ts even talking about the music. I think there is good christian music out there...it's just hard to find.

[RevelationStorm]

Well, semi-replying to ScarredFaith's post. Christian music artists aren't in it for the fame. They're in it for the ministry. Their job is to spread the word about God and who he is, and why they worhsip Him, and what He did for us, etc. Although, they would love to speak out on certain things such as MTV, that isn't their goal. They are trying to get the word out to as many people as they can. More or less to say, they actually have a great number of fans. Audio Adrenaline, for example, have as many fans at their concerts as Linkin Park does (it could very well just be the capacity of the venue, of course). But anyway, enough said, you either like Christian music or you don't, no one can make you do anything.

[SixStringForEmo]

Heres the truth!
sum 1 here said christian music lacks emotion
CCM sumtyms does but for christian rock try
-nu punk:relient k
-classic punk:mxpx
-real pure emo:EMERY (best band)
-lighter emo:number 1 gun or dead poetic
-hardcore:demon hunter
ps any1 who said ne thing bad about Jesus
can crawl in a hole die

[bobsuruncle]

Ive been involved in Soul In The City the past week and on the Monday i saw this christian rock band called Seed play. They were bloody incredible! And they were really nice guys as well (i chatted to them afterwards!) They r livin proof dat christian rock music is gr8!!!!!

[KevinKung]

I'm a Christian. Listen everybody, IT'S JUST MUSIC. u either accept it or not. it's immature to insult the content or religion. Whoever insulted Jesus...just wait, consequences will come.

[Metalology]

I wonder if Slayer will ever say there Christian? lmao

[fuel13]

has anybody heard of skillet or 12 stones or audio adrenaline? they are pretty hard bands but they are christian. and the difference in "positive music" and "christian music", i think is the people that write it. the people that write christian music are just pretty much telling people what they believe in, and trying to get them to believe in their religion. but the people who write positive songs are just writing songs tht have positive lyrics. but whatever you say, there is some good christian music out there, and there is a difference in the emotions put into christian music and "positive music".

[M.Feeney]

Theres nothing wrong with singing about your beliefs, no matter what they are, but it is wrong to try and force your beliefs on others. Faith or belief in something, or lack thereof has to be a personal choice, or else it is meaningless.

[sicklecow]

I am a Christian. I believe in God, Jesus, and SOME of what my church teaches me. However, I don't preach to others, and I definitely don't pretend to know exactly what happened 2000 years ago or what will happen on judgment day. I don't accept everything my church teaches, especially the parts that condemn (or at least look down on) those who don't follow the man-made traditions. I also despise those who walk around preaching that their religion is the one true religion and that anyone who does not accept God and Jesus will burn in Hell. According to them, a five-year old who dies and has never been to church because his parents don't believe in God will burn in Hell. An African tribesman from Ethiopia who has never been exposed to Christianity will also burn in Hell according to these "modern prophets" and "witnesses." I find that idiotic.

That being said, those who made comments earlier about Christian Rock being an oxymoron have shown exceptional ignorance. All current styles of Rock are derived from classic Rock'n'Roll. Classic Rock'n'Roll is a meld of many music styles, but mainly Early Blues and Jazz. Jazz music, of course, comes from the deep south and is the evolution of Slave Spirituals. What was every single Slave Spiritual about? GOD. JESUS. HOPE. SALVATION. Saying that Christian Rock is an oxymoron is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

In addition, the only thing I loathe more than bigots condemning Christianity is Christians condemning others, especially other religions. Metalfury, Saptor77, and especially Lord_Xian have all shown their true ignorance here. How can I blame those who hate Christians when guys like these are showing the same hatred towards other people?

[luther527]

sicklecow:
I am a Christian. I believe in God, Jesus, and SOME of what my church teaches me. However, I don't preach to others, and I definitely don't pretend to know exactly what happened 2000 years ago or what will happen on judgment day. I don't accept everything my church teaches, especially the parts that condemn (or at least look down on) those who don't follow the man-made traditions. I also despise those who walk around preaching that their religion is the one true religion and that anyone who does not accept God and Jesus will burn in Hell. According to them, a five-year old who dies and has never been to church because his parents don't believe in God will burn in Hell. An African tribesman from Ethiopia who has never been exposed to Christianity will also burn in Hell according to these "modern prophets" and "witnesses." I find that idiotic.

So you call yourself a christian but dont believe that Jesus is the ONE way to Heaven?

[dylan_f1989]

hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist and our lord is not a cunt whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off

Ok then you show some respect for many of other religions like Muslim, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism and Protestantism. Cause its quite sad how so many Christian people whine about how many people pass judgement on their religion but then say something bad about another religion. And don't say because Islam and Muslim are involved with terrorism cause they were founded thousands of years before Bombs, Bullets or Suicide Bombers.

[luther527]

dylan_f1989:
hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist and our lord is not a cunt whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off


Ok then you show some respect for many of other religions like Muslim, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism and Protestantism. Cause its quite sad how so many Christian people whine about how many people pass judgement on their religion but then say something bad about another religion. And don't say because Islam and Muslim are involved with terrorism cause they were founded thousands of years before Bombs, Bullets or Suicide Bombers.
Dude, protestantism is a part of christianity, not a separate religion.

[ace_man13]

ok i'm not going to read this entire thread, so if this has already been said, please dont' wet your bed. (it rhymed!)

the original article says: "You can not write a song that neither curses nor praises God."
What a load of shit. Whoever wrote this article needs to get their head out of their ass. What about songs like, By the Way (RHCP) or Smells Like Teen Spirit? Are they 100% cursing god or 100% praising god? no, i don't think so. If you want to take a few lines here and there you can stretch them and make an interepretation that either praises or curses god, but in no way are those songs totally about cursing/praising god. how can you even say something so stupid. stop believing that everything YOU have been taught is THE correct way, keep your mind open to other religions/ideas. And finally, as you said yourself, "there are no absolutes".

[SURFraptor7]

Becoming a Christian is the best thing I have ever done. Period. Jesus died on the cross to keep us out of hell, and half of the people on here are just turning around and smacking Him in the face! And even if he wasn't divine (which he WAS), he still loved us enough to die for us!

[greendaynaz87]

ok im r.c and i still think this artical is wrong ok mabe if u listen to marylin manson or slipknot then u can clearly hear that they are dissin god but wat about incubus songs or even limp bizkit songs i dont think so and i really disagree wen u say that music is noise.umm im still open minded,and agree mostly with ace_man13.the person who wrote this artical thinks that everything that he is told is right

[greendaynaz87]

budism is not a religon it is a phlosophy n sum ppl want to go to hell so i dont think that ll scare them

[deapcyfer]

hey buttplugs, it says in the bible, "IF YOU AREN'T FOR ME, THEN YOU ARE AGAINST ME" therefore if it's not praising God it is cursing God, get it right

[Pennyroyal Tea]

My cousin, plays in a christian rock band. Before that he was one of the blackest and darkest rockers i had ever met, he turned to christian rock for some reason... he's gone totally crazy... he sends me messages in the middle of the night to turn away from darkness and stuff (basically the stuff of extremists) and finds satanism in most rock bands! Thats what i don't like about christian rock, besides the fact that the lyrics suck totally, i think it would have more effect if the lyrics were styled more subtly... kind of an evanescence sort of way (that group has some great lyrics but they're beginning to make me puke now... although they still have nice lyrics)

Being christian is NOT cool, especially the old fashioned style of attending masses, singing hyms etc, it makes one look stupid proclaiming God and stuff. What i think is that we should make a new face for ourselves, totally re-format our mass and stuff, songs, everything, christian rock isn't exactly helping. It carries on this force god down the throuth or go to hell attitude which has been associated to christianity

I myself am a christian, i live on an island called Malta... which is one of the most conservative christian countries in the world. As far as i'm concerned you can say what you like about God, coz i'm an agnostic myself, i find it hard to believe in a deity, while i do not totally rule out the chance that one actually exists, after all the laws of physics can surprise anyone. However on of Christianities teachings is that one must not confuse the message with the messenger... in other words, like many of you i am bored stiff by these false idiots who proclaim to have the message for our salvation, these people such as the miracle healers and stuff are nothing but frauds. So i don't mind if you take a swipe at them or the priests.

However a very interesting point mentioned in this column, that Jesus was a radical. I, as a christian would agree, he showed us the full power of human virtue, bashed up sin, humiliated it totally... i mean it'd take some nerve to go through that torture for something that we can barely understand!

I do admit that much of christian history has been plagued by forceful conversions, the inquisition and intolerance. Its sad... very sad, it angers me that such people actually did this in the name of our religion.

The basic teachings of christianity are the following, i think that anyone who doesn't follow these is basically not worthy of being a christian. It teaches for one thing love,tolerance and forgiveness. It wants to make us humble, to realise that in reality we are nothing... i mean we're just a bunch of molecules really, nothing special, so one must humble himself\herself and do good throughout life.

[luther527]

Yeah... you say you're christian then you say that you're agnostic. Here's a hint: You cant be both. Agnostics say a person can't know if God exists, but if you are a christian you know. Yes its okay for christians to have doubts, but we do belive there is a God who sent his son to die for us on the cross and raised him on the third day. Holy crap, your views on christianity are off base. Yes we are supposed to love and forgive and tolerate others, but we are actually not nothing. We are loved so much that all of our sins were placed on Christ, and through him we have much value. How in the heck can you claim to be a christian yet be an agnostic and say humans are not special, because I know i have value in my Savior.

[luther527]

i'm kinda getting sick of people claiming to be christians yet having no idea about the christian faith. I dont wanna seem condescending but some people are really ticking me off, because when people say false stuff about the christian faith, the world hears it and thinks its the truth.

[luther527]

by the world i mean the secular part of the world

[Pennyroyal Tea]

When i say i'm christian i mean that i was baptised and all... had confirmation and things like that. Yes i do have my doubts like any other christian, and yes we do believe in God etc. However you sound as though you've been brainwashed, as though your words are coming straight from a childrens christian book. What i am doing is trying to figure out what is behind it all. St.Augustine, one of the religions greatest saints didn't believe in God at the start, he went on a journey and found a way how to believe his faith rationally.

[Pennyroyal Tea]

I do believe that we are indeed made up of molecules, you can't deny that! However one can neither prove nor disprove God, so i follow the christian way of life, which i agree with totally, but at the same time i hav doubts on the existence of a God. Our religious journey my friend is never the same for anyone, some people are born with this faith like you others must go on a journey of discovery, like me.

We are in a way special, since we are chosen by God as a more evolved species so as to say, however being a scientific person i agree with the theory of evolution... that the creation story was a simple story made by early people as a story not as the true history of the creation as a historical account, notice its simple terms.

[Pennyroyal Tea]

I admit, i hav to sides to my religion, which are contradictory, one is the religious side, the other is my atheist side. To be an agnostic is to be in a state of suspended judgement, therefore i am in between, weighing down both sides of the argument but at the same time living my life as a christian. Thats what i mean, unlike you i want to know WHY we believe not simply accept dogmas.

Sorry about the last part of my original post saying that we're a bunch of molecules, that was my opinion talking not my religion

[Pennyroyal Tea]

My closing remarks... ever heard of Saint Thomas?

[GLADIATOR]

I LIKE CREED ,PAYABLE ON DEATH AND 12 STONES BECAUSE OF THEIR MUSIC AND NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR CHRISTIAN WAYS MUSIC ITSELF IS A POWERFUL RELIGION I DONT KNOW WHY WE SHOULD DIVIDE IT INTO CHRISTIAN OR MOHAMMADIAN

[RevelationStorm]

GLADIATOR:
I LIKE CREED ,PAYABLE ON DEATH AND 12 STONES BECAUSE OF THEIR MUSIC AND NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR CHRISTIAN WAYS MUSIC ITSELF IS A POWERFUL RELIGION I DONT KNOW WHY WE SHOULD DIVIDE IT INTO CHRISTIAN OR MOHAMMADIAN

Number 1, P.O.D. is not Christian, I don't care what anybody says, one of their songs (I think Masterpiece Conspiracy) talks about "dancing with the dead," a term that Christians are by far opposed to. They might claim to be but they sure don't follow it.

Number 2, we divide music into different genre/religions to give people choice. Christians might not enjoy listening to Slipknot or Iron Maiden. They want to hear music about their religion. Christian music is not a religion, it's a way that we Christians worship God. If you don't like it, fine, that's why we have choice. And if you like those bands because of their music and not because of their beliefs, that's fine too, but don't criticize people for dividing music into ways that certain people will accept it.

Number 3, lay off the caps bro.

[Pennyroyal Tea]

I enjoy listening to Iron Maiden! And wots wrong with dancing with the dead? What the hell do you think we christians are... 19th century Irish catholics from Limerick???

[Pennyroyal Tea]

And shit i don't wanna hear christian rock... it sucks... its all God this and God that, drives me crazy! Its got no profound lyrics whatsoever! I mean look at Iron Maidens Paschendale, that a song describing the futility of war.. now thats good lyrics! I would gladly include that in a sunday mass because it teaches you how wrong it is to go to war! Which is a christian commandment, thou shalt not kill!

[luther527]

what do you mean by living your life as a christian???
A christian doesnt believe in evolution. You can be selective in which passages of the bible you believe.
btw i am not brainwashed...you can be baptized, confirmed and still not be a christian. Its called falling away. Some people do and its unfortunate.

[RevelationStorm]

Pennyroyal Tea:
I enjoy listening to Iron Maiden! And wots wrong with dancing with the dead? What the hell do you think we christians are... 19th century Irish catholics from Limerick???

I don't know what YOU are, but I know me, as a Christian, don't write songs about war and dancing with the dead. We don't dwell on thoughts and practices of that nature. And I'm not being self-righteous, I'm just saying that if you're going to call yourself a Christian, then why do complain about Christian songs and instead choose to listen to Iron Maiden (who has a song about the number of the beast)? Please explain.

[luther527]

yeah revelation right on!
really pennyroyal, whatcha gotta say? You say "we christians" in one post but in the next you say christian music has no profound lyrics. Dude, either you are a christian or you are not. simple as that.

[hardrock3]

since when was there a christian rock band who could play their instruments?

[hardrock3]

Revelation storm should take a hike! its people like him that would have critisised AC DC for being satanists afterthat nightstalker shit. Just shut up with whining about talented bands like iron maiden and get a life!

[Terabyte]

i havn't read all of this..
I'm not a christian. I'm just dont shuv my athiest views down peoples throats. Seems most of you people who don't follow christianity are actually making your own religion called the lets stir shit religion..
anywya that aside..

p.o.d are a christian based rock group and they ***ing rock.
gen are a band that made it to number 1 in the uk in national battle of the bands and they are christian based.

hab you're an idiot.
The minority of religious people are terrorists in this world. would be a pretty explosive world if that were the case. The only people blowing themselves up are a minority of assholes claiming sanctity and martodom under the heading islamic religioun and doing their god up the ass. which afaik nowhere in the coran does it say to blow people up. So REALLY these are non religious just people like you, being assholes, but rather than being on the back of a computer, they are in the cockpit of planes and tanks..

enjoy you ass-***ing bastard.

[Terabyte]

sorry i just noticed and i know i shudnt double post.

hardrock

GEN.
POD.

to name a decent one and a famous one.
their lyrics dont boast christianity. their lyrics are quite ambiguous actually. it's just if you're a christian you will read into the lyrics and it will mean a bit more to you.

can you play your instrument well?
ignorant cuntmuscle

[NovemberRain843]

Any of you who think that all Christians are closed minded religious-forcing Bible Beaters, then you are more closed minded than any of those you speak of. You haven't yet begun to understand the tip of the iceberg of Christianity, and you never will if you keep up the attitude you currently have.

-Try Jesus. If you don't like Him, Satan will always take you back!-

[NovemberRain843]

Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to add this:

Great article, twocenttip!

[RevelationStorm]

hardrock3:
Revelation storm should take a hike! its people like him that would have critisised AC DC for being satanists afterthat nightstalker shit. Just shut up with whining about talented bands like iron maiden and get a life!

I'm not whining about talented bands. The point I'm trying to get across is that he calls himself a Christian but then turns around and bashes Christianity just like that. You're just upset becauser you have no true rebuttal of what I'm trying to say. So the only thing you can say is that I'm whining about talented bands. Man, if you're going to argue, do it right.

[MisterChainsaw]

Christian Rock= Gay

...Bible Thumping Bastards

[Syphon]

shut your mouth chainsaw boy. there is nothing wrong with christians. and dont say your not religious bacuse there is one for you too chainsaw. it is called satanism, so have fun after this life is over.

if your not with God, Satan is grabbing at your heels.

[mcww1]

I think its sad when people bash a religion and only back thier opinions up with sterotypes.... most athiests are athiests cause they have no idea what chirstianty is about and they dont want to take the time to find out because they think its some goody-goody life full of rules.... maybe people should be more open-minded

[Yahiko357]

Burn in hell:
6slip6knot6
6slip6knot6 - slipknot= 666
nothing wrong with the religion because thats what i am

IRONIC??

*rolling on the floor laughing*
I would've said that if you didn't beat me to it.

oh and by the way...

diablodude2000:
Listen, all you mutha****ers that say christian music sucks balls haven't heard P.O.D., Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot, or Five Iron Frenzy. Christian artists ARE NOT trying to cram it down you're throats. "Christians aren't shoving down you're throats, they're holding a knife to your throat and telling you to swallow", that is bogus. In the first place IT WAS YOURCHOICE TO LISTEN TO IT, so we may be trying to shove it all down your satanic throats, but it's like you are telling the band To shove it down your throat. Besides, most christian bands ARE pretty awesome. And NEVER DISS JESUS, he died on the cross for you.

Now, I'm a christian, but what is wrong with you, diablodude2000 (which means devildude)?? "hey muthaf***as Jesus died on the cross for you"
...am I missing something??? ughh, yeah... way to go.

Besides, if this was an article on satanic music I know at least 90% of these people wouldn't be complaining about people trying to shove satanism down our throats. Think about that...

[dwnbowden]

Im christian and all you people saying jesus is a c*nt or a Mother f*cker should just piss off. Just because you are too shallow to give anything a try and then insult it midlessly because you dont doesnt mean it isnt true.

[TuckerOBaker]

I FUCKED JESUS IN THE ASS, WHAT THE FUCK, HAHA I HAD A LADY WITH HERPES RUB HER CUNT ALL OVER THE HOLY WATER YOU WERE BAPTISED IN SON, JESUS IS A BUM FUCK ASSHOLE MOTHER FUCKER CUM SLEEZING GRANDMA NIGGER ASS.

[ChurchPunk]

Whats up, guys. I read this whole thing. Its pretty awesome! Revalationstorm, I cant agree with you more! First off, I am a christian. Second, I dont hate anyone, and there is nothing you can do to make me hate you. So there. For Tucker0Baker-What makes you hate Jesus so much? And for any christian on here-dont get mad when people post stuff like that. There not stupid or any less than us. They just have a diffrent opinion about things. I can see God working here.

[ChurchPunk]

Uhhh...I guess no one is listining anymore.

[ChurchPunk]

Well...

[ChurchPunk]

Then I can mess around! And no one will care! Yay!

[ChurchPunk]

So...My favorite band is Pillar.

[ChurchPunk]

And...umm, well, if someone does read this I will look like a complete moron...which isnt a lie. So, uh, I am gonna stop now. Some one anser me! Please!

[ChurchPunk]

Guess whos back...back again...I am back...I have no friends. Yeah!

[ChurchPunk]

So, uh, I want someone to anser me. I must keep this column alive at all costs!

[ChurchPunk]

Life is boring...but good.

[ChurchPunk]

Yes, its me again.

[ChurchPunk]

I think I have won the award for "Most Ever Consecutive Posts". Well, now my life means something.

[ChurchPunk]

Tweleve posts in a row...crazy.

[ChurchPunk]

Lucky thirteen.

[jjkkll]

Heres something about all those who say Christian musicians, or christians in general try to shove their religion down your throat. Well, sure, if thats how you want to put it, then its true in some cases. But they're doing it for a reason. If its your friend, or someone u know theyre doing it because they honestly beleive in God, and they want you to know the truth. I dont care what anyone says, you cant change whats true and what isn't. Some people try and tell me that God is just something within me, and that if I honestly believe it, then it true for me. Thats Bullshit. A fact is a fact, the fact is that God exists. Evoulution is a retarded theory, think about it, its F'ing retarded. There is SO much evidence out there that nearly puts evoulution out of the picture, and evidence that makes perfect sense according to the fact that there IS a God. See, look, im trying to shove it down your throat. Im sure your sick of christians doing this, but you cant change the truth, and I'm only trying to help. The way I see it, Every person gets many chances to either turn theyre back, or open up their heart to God. When you turn your back on God, he does the same to you. When you open up your heart to God he'll do the same to you. For all those people who make disguisting posts about Jesus Christ, I know your just trying to piss christians off, and it works. (I can tell already what the next 10 posts are going to be).....

[jjkkll]

.....What if you will go do Hell? Theres nothing wrong with living your life for God and partially out of the fear of Hell. It says in the bible that we should Fear God. Because he is more powerful than anything there is. And for those of you that think christians go to church to be brainwashed, think about the fact that Everywhere you go your being brainwashed with evoulution. There is children's T.V. shows for children of age 5 that teach evoulution. Hmm I wonder what that kid will grow up believing when he is taught it from age 5-20. Its taught in elementary, high schools, collages, and universitys nearly everywhere you go. People always just assume that the 'experts' know what theyre talking about. But maybe theyre only teaching it to you because thats they want you to believe it, and not in something else. Them, like many of you have a hate for Christianity. You hate christians cuz theyre so much different, and you think theyre religion is some stupid fantasy, but it isnt. Another thing I'd like to point out is that I dont think where you go after you die is determined by what 'religion' you are officially a part of. You can never go to church once in your life and still be a good follower of Christ. I think of my 'Christianity' as a relationship with God, and an understanding of what Jesus Christ did for us.....

[jjkkll]

.....I do what I can to live my life for God, but im not always perfect. I usually tell the people I know that I am a christian, and they are usually surprised if they knew me before that. I'm not caught up in some fake little fantasy world revolving. I'm not saying that if you beleive in evoulution you automatically go to hell, but i believe it to be an excuse for people to think that God doesn't exist. I think that if you do realize the truth of God, then you will realize that evoulution is fake. I also believe that the only one who can decide whether you go to heaven or hell is God? I could ramble on forever, I really could. If anyone has questions just email me or make a post. If you want to put up some hateful words about Jesus Christ, then its your loss. I know your just doing it to piss me off, so ill try not to let if affect me. As for christian music, I know bands that you would never think are christian because for some reason you think christian music isnt good. Christian music is motivated by God, and theres nothing better than that. So take this and shove it down your throat...or maybe just think about it for a little bit, its up to you...

Joel

[ChurchPunk]

I completely agree with you Joel. Alot of the post are to just make us mad. They just dont understand God. If they think we are living in a fantasy world, they need to relise that they are, too. Alot of people live their life as prisoners to sin. They love the thing that is most destructive. I used to live that way, too (long story), and now I realise that I was living a lie. As for music, most of the people that post aginst Christian music have only heard it on the raidio if they have heard any at all. They are completely ignorant (no offense, anyone) to the fact that there are great Christian bands out there. People just think Christian music=slow accoustic, or they think its just a generic knock off of 'secular' rock. Its rock. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. See ya'.

[Super_Sexy_Owen]

Why does everyone hate what they do not think is the best, or dont understand. I mean, i heard some people saying how muslims (cant spell it, im sorry) are against christians, and want to kill them, that is not true. It is not written in their bible.

Some people are just loving the life of killing, cheating, basicly all sins

but if those people actually lived in a world were these sort of thing were acceptable, theyd want to live a different life

[ChurchPunk]

Why does everyone hate what they do not think is the best, or dont understand. I mean, i heard some people saying how muslims (cant spell it, im sorry) are against christians, and want to kill them, that is not true. It is not written in their bible.

Some people are just loving the life of killing, cheating, basicly all sins

Good point. It isn't directly written in the Koran to kill off all non-muslims.

[attendthefunera]

this forum or what ever has just been full of bullcrap. Christians dont intend to piss you all off or try to win as many converts as possible. They are trying to spread good news. However, this is a generous gerneralization toward Christians. WHile there is only one truth, humans distort it. WHile I believe that Christ is the one true way, we wont know until the end who has the correct view of christ. And while I want all of you to come to know Christ personally, a forum is a shi tty way to do it so I am going to shutup now.

[Guardian angel]

Hey if you truely belive
Anyone who spits insults towards my father
TRUELY dont care to know him or I
remember one day well Meet ! and from there you can make your destination clear !
And I will forward it if you like !
this is a great artical ! the music is so alive
it will come back in the flavor of metal
but it dont have to be so dark you cant see through it
i love the band stryper ! check'em out guy's it just might change the way you preach to others ! lol

[mauve]

here we go again... it's all a matter of opinion... i really liked the article, and i'm a firm believer that Christian music is not less valid than any other music... We can write about whatever the hell we want and whatever the hell we believe in and present it in however the hell we want to present it... dig? (i sure use "hell" a lot...)

[funeral thirst]

***. these ***in christian metal bands better not be like them ***ing jehova witnesses. coming to my ***ing door...trying to make me ***in change. *** that noise. by the way...its all a matter of opinion

[Punk Rocker Lad]

$hab:
The majority of Religious people: The world's biggest terroists, apart from the government.


agreed

[aperfectmistake]

you guys should really concider becoming christians. its not as bad as you think.. its probley the best decesion you'll ever make in your life..

Okay I'm not saying the Christian religion is bad...even if i dont believe in it really....but people like this who try to get me to change who i am make me mad. I think if you beleive in a religion great...if you dont thats great too.. but yuo shouldnt try to convince other people that you are right and all of their ideas they have believed for years were wrong...

As for the article...i thought it wasnt bad

[zburt11]

You Guys.....come on..no christian band forces religion down your throat, they are just trying to show you the real way to live life...whoich is for Christ..you dont need to listen to christian music to be a christian,..but i think there are good christian bands.....stavesacre, zao,12 stones, dead poetic they rock hard...maybe you should listen to them before judging them...read their lyrics.....and for the record its not christians who are being terrorists...its people who are willing to die for smething that is not true.....buddism, islam..alll those...if you dont know wat christianity is then you should talk to someone who does...you may become a christian and that would be the best decision of your life.

[Mr. Clean]

Christian Rock is for people that are afraid of leaving god's grace, and those that don't know good music. I hope christian rock goes the way of techno and is never seen again

[mattlock]

I'm a Christian. And my opinion is that modern Christianity sucks. For those of you who think Christians suck because we're shoving it down your throat, I don't feel sorry for you, I feel sorry for the people who did that to you. That's not Christianity.

For the record, I wish every popular Christian band would just quit right now. YOU HAVE NO TALENT! YOU AREN'T HELPING OUR RELIGION GET ANYWHERE BY BEING SOME CRAPPY RIP-OFF OF AN "EVIL SECULAR BAND".

I'm done.

[meggy624]

As both a Christian and a musician, I have several responses.

First, you state that "music is just noise," thus that the lyrics are the only focus. While I agree that lyrics are a vital part of much music, I cannot agree with this statement at all. Music is far more than just noise; it has the power to speak without words, to move us, to touch us in a variety of ways through a variety of styles/genres. I challenge all of us to listen to Chopin, Bartok or Shumann, or if that's not your style try some good jazz, or a sweet guitar solo -- anything without words -- and then say whether the lyrics are all that matters.

Also, you state that, ?the vocalists? style has nothing to do with divinity.? I would agree; it doesn?t, thus why do we label ?Christian? as a musical genre? ?Christian? is not a style of music; it is a person, a follower of Christ. Each person who calls them self a Christian is called to let his or her faith flow into every aspect of his or her life, but this does not mean that a person who is Christian ought to define music in theological terms. You commented that, ?There is no neutral ground in this world. There is God, and there is Not God, to put it squarely.? I beg to differ; every part of this world has elements of holiness and worldliness; if a secular artist writes a song, it is not wholly evil ? they are fully capable of touching on elements of truth. Similarly, if a ?Christian? artist writes a song, it is not fully holy; in a fallen, imperfect world, all humans? works are affected by evil. To quote John Fischer, ?Merely calling something Christian doesn?t make it somehow holy or set apart from anything else. It doesn?t exempt it from error or worldly intrusion. Nor can we assume that something that does not carry the Christian label is not Christian by default.?

In one short post it is impossible to touch on all the facets of this controversy that I think are important, but I hope that we can be challenged to realize that the distinction we draw between the ?Christian? and the ?secular? world is our own creation; the reality is, there is one world and we are all part of it, whether we are talking about music or something else.

[madbasslover]

Demon Hunter rocks! ...but Christian music as a whole just isn't for me. too positive (i'm gonna get mocked like crazy for saying that, but it's the damn truth)

[Jaknife]

The reason christians take so much crap is because satan uses those who are not for god, against god. im not saying everyone whos not a christian wants christians dead, but in general, christianity is the more fought against. and dont judge everyone within a faith by that faith. dont judge muslims by the actions of a few extremists, and dont judge all christians by the preaching and teachings of a few. pleez dont think of christians as crusaders, cuz that was along time ago.

about the music. personally, i think most christian music is boring, and that they emphasize the lyrics to much, and not the music. but thats just me, and thats just based on what the local christian station plays.

[IzzySnakes]

this article has no point at all, why is christian music vital? you never explained that. Christian musicians think they are helping spirtuality but in truth they're just ruining rock! and being weird doesnt make you a good musician! being weird is just excepted as "music" now-a-days...how sad

[Stratpro]

i am a christian artist.... and jesus is not a cunt.

[Bennynem]

I listen to christian music and i think there aren't many genius' in christian music like the musicians we all know for example jimmy hendrix or b.b. king or who ever you choose, but I think there are some bands that are really big musicians in their genre for example living sacrifice

[pytolk]

Twocenttip,
i am a christian and i am very relieved to see an article like this on such a secular website. and i also agree all the way about what you say, christians are definately hardcore.

[pytolk]

So stop dissing our religon

[will_clip]

I cant believe how harsh you people are. Dissing all these ppl's beliefs. I dont believe in God or Jesus but i respect those who do. For all of those of you who are christian i applaude you for taking all this so lightly and not retaliating in such haste. Christian music is the exact same as any other kind of music. The only difference is that the band has either christian members or lyrics which doesnt effect the music whatsoever. If the words were taking out none of you could tell the difference between Christian and non-Christian music.

[ginga_ninja]

There is alot of intolerant people in this topic. I don't see the point in posting on message boards with an opinion if you aren't going to listen to other peoples opinion. I'm a christian and i like Christian music. I also like other Rock, no matter what the lyrics.

U2 were voted the worlds most successful band of the 21st century and some of their songs are God related - "Pride", "Still haven't found what I'm looking for" and "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" to name a few. But these songs make it discrete and people who listen to these songs listen to it for the music.

People who posted in this topic bashing Christians and God because they think they are cool are really pathetic and I applaud the other Christians and indeed non Christians who haven't reacted. As if people who can't even post in a logical sentence is going to change my views.

[nickjman]

Alright, I might be rehashing something somebody already said, cause I don't feel like reading 30 pages of moronic arguing, but here comes my two cents.

It seems funny to me that people are concerned with the actions of "Christians" rather than the existence of God. Christians are human just like everyone else, and even though we have certain standards that we try to live up to with the grace of God, we still make mistakes and have our own weaknesses and blind spots.

Hell is not a "knife held to our throats" to threaten us into Christianity, it is the natural progression of man's existence after life. God does not wish us to go to hell, in fact he held back and watched his only Son die in order that we would be saved. By the way, for those of you that say Jesus was just a joker with magic tricks, I'd have to say that coming back to life and talking to hundreds of people after being brutally murdered (whipped, crucified, and speared) is a pretty darn good parlor trick.

It also seems amusing to me that people consider negativity and rude behavior to be rebellious when everyone else in America is giving you the finger right back. Getting angry and being discourteous doesn't make you stand out from the crowd, it helps you to blend in to the background.

To go back to music (what an idea), I am not a huge fan of a lot of Christian bands, but there are some awesome ones: Third Day, Caedmon's Call, Shane & Shane, etc. I kind of like Kutless and Skillet also.

However, there are some bands that I would really like to recommend, especially for those of you who like slide guitar: Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals,
Robert Randolph and the Family Band, and Jack Johnson. They aren't really "Christian Bands", but I think that the band members are mostly Christian, anyways great musicians and lyricists.

God Bless

[monkeysims]

It's great music. Chevelle, MxPx, and many more awesome rockbands.

[StingRay63]

I agree christian music is a big thing there are so many christian bands no matter what secular band you listen to there is a christian band just as good playing the same type of music with a different meaning

[thrashing moles]

u guys shood all listen to spoken or pillar

[dskater]

im a christian and listen to some christian music...it isnt all bible thumping stuff. me personally i dotn liek lsitennig to all the god msuic on my pare time...my favourite bands are secular. ther are soem serious rock groups that can challenge any of the best secular groups. if you people think you are so big, do you have the balls to go into a christian bookstore and check out soem chrstian bands?

[GuitarDudeWill]

its about time that Jesus started taking over the music scene. Satanic music sucks.

[punksk8r]

that's what i'm talking about. Christian rocks ROCKS!!

[RevelationStorm]

hardrock3:
Revelation storm should take a hike! its people like him that would have critisised AC DC for being satanists afterthat nightstalker shit. Just shut up with whining about talented bands like iron maiden and get a life!

If I'm not mistaken, these are from AC/DC's "Highway To Hell" (ironic name for a non-satanic band, huh?):

"...Hey Satan, payin' my dues, playin' in a rockin' band."

In which that entire song is about um....a highway to Hell.

Go ahead, deny facts.

[Gothic_ed]

Music is just noise

music is just noise? What the hell do you listen to. Recordings of highways or the comings and goings of a dogs arse. That statement is enough to warrant you being banned from this site. And surely christian music is any music about god (in a christian way) or something t odo with christianity

[Gothic_ed]

hmm revelation storm i dont listen to acdc but wtf.
So you cant write a song about something that doesn't actually apply to you. What about all the love songs, they're clearly not all about someone in paticular. Oh and aces high means that iron maiden are secretly fighter pilots from the second world war (please save yourself at least some dignity by refraining from saying something clever like the fact bruce dickinson is actually a pilot). And tribute by tenacious D means that that actually happened with the demon and everything. Go ahead, deny the fact you just made yourself look like a complete fool

[ruberducky]

you can listen to and believe whatever you want. im not going to shove christ down your throat. i have no right to but remember Jesus does love you whatever you do.

[ruberducky]

AMEN

[Doubleday]

The fact is very simple: Either you believe in Christ, or you don't. People who don't believe in Christ will go to any length to prove He doesn't exsist, they're so scared of Him. The several hundred replies on this page prove that.

Say what you want, but deep down you know God exists. Repent and believe. Coram Deo.

[Calamity_Daemon]

It doesn't even matter if you believe in God or not if you like the sound. I'm a believer of the "Lyrics-Come-Second" approach to music. I remember being in a car and listening to the Switchfoot song that wasn't too bad a few years back and I really liked it, but the driver said he thought it was too bad they were christian. Really, that made no sense to me because bands that are "Goth" or even "Satanic" don't get the same message, yet they follow an organized religion. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it, but I believe it's the same as any form of music. It expresses beliefs and emotions of their faith. It's better than listening to a "punk" or "emo" song with a kid whining about how bad his life is when he has enough money to eat and buy a guitar and afford to NOT play it well.

[Silent Steel]

First of all, I am a Christian.

Second of all... You guys are all a bunch of cocksucking morons!!! Didn't it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, since Christianity is so harshly persecuted (as opposed to all other religions), that it might just be different from all other religions? Just remember, you can make youself or your music your own god today, but you won't live forever.

As for the music, I love Christian music, and I love Clasic Rock, and I love Korn, Evanescence, and Nickelback! Wtf is wrong with that? My music is a reflection of my soul. When I listen to Christian music, it uplifts me and encourages me. When I listen to Nickelback's Animals, it doesn't quite have the same effect. No, I don't think Christian music will have a huge impact on the unsaved world, but I think it's a POWERFUL asset to belivers. You can use it as a witnessing tool, or just because you like it!

You guys who are getting on here and just bashing Jesus Christ are missing the whole point of the article. And now I'm really going to piss you all off... wait for it... wait for it...









I'll be praying for you all. lol Rock for Jesus!
TJ
big_red_strat
@hotmail.com

[rockergurl09]

I don't buy it. rock and religion don't mix. people can scream about christ all they want, but I think it desecrates the religion part of it. it's missing a crucial part of christianity - reverence and solemnity for Jesus.

I may be a major rock lover, and a devoted christian, but I am careful to keep sacred things sacred. If people must make christian rock, do a slow piano ballad, not screaming doctrine. Or maybe something abstractly christian, like singing love and charity, or something about we are saved if we do our part.

Above all, be careful and keep the sacred things sacred

as for you christian haters, cool it, do what you like,(hopefully a good descision) And why bash Jesus when he died for you?!? I'd seize the opportunity to be made whole. Anyway, cool it, and in the end, you will know we are right.

and don't call me a preacher or bash me. I've had enough offline too.

[Maggot penis]

there are other religions on the planet

[Punkoff92]

I am a Christian and don't bash my religion. Jesus Christ suffered and died for you on the ross at Calvary so don't insult him.

[Punkoff92]

Jesus Christ suffered and died on the cross for the whole world so please don't insult him. He loves you. Please don't bash him.

[pickahand]

Regarding Silent Steel, calling people cocksucking morons is not the nicest thing to say, look up Ephesians 4:29 man. "Do not let unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful in building others upaccording to their needs, that it may benefit those whose who listen". I know I'm not the best person to tell you this becouse I do it to but I'm trying not to and I'm getting better at it.

People God is real and he will come back some day for everyone who has accepted him and I hope all of you will. Jesus died for you, tell me thats not sick.

Getting to the music part. There is a lot of good Christian music out there but like all other music you must look. As I'm typing this I'm listing to As I Lay Dying. They are a very skilled band and get ths they are christian. Saying Relient K is a good Christian band is like saying Good Charlette is a good punk band. I'm not trying to bash them at all, if you like them thats cool and if you dont all the same but there is better out there. Oh well see you.

[pickahand]

Forgot something. Silet Steel I was'ent trying to put you down or sound hypocritic.

[Fretish]

ok, fer all u guys who think its kewl to hail satan and diss jesus coz its just doesnt seem cool to u guys can get get blessed !...seriously ! ..u guys dnt know shit about god ! ..u guys are all into this satanic hype these artists pour down u ...it relly shows how dumb u guys can get ....i listen to a lot of slipknot ..but i'm also a chirstian n proud of evey inch of it ! .i just ignore slipknots gay lyrics..music is music ! ...dnt get too involved with teh hype it sells ...love jesus ....get blessed ..!!

[Random dude]

why dont the people who hate christian music just keep their opinions to themselves and the people who love it keep their own opinion. That way we wont get these ten page mix of people acting like a bunch of *******s.

[maxisit]

Im sorry but the whole idea of religion is taken way to far. Religion is meant to be a guideline on how to live your life but people take it to literally and go and persecute and kill in the name of there god, no matter what religion. There is a difference between a band who has christian people in it like As I Lay Dying and bands who are only singing about jesus. I want to hear music I dont want to hear people trying to convert the world. Look at the past, all religion has done is cause war and death, people need to look at there own religion and realize that what they are doing is wrong, people like the KKK. But as for the music, show me a good christian band.

[Punkoff92]

Lost Fucking Prophets

[Punkoff92]

Asshole Fucker

[Punkoff92]

Bitch ass ho

[guitar_man_dct]

Heres my opinion, I am a christian and you dont see me hating on all of the atheists, or all the Christ haters...so why do it to us? I mean what you believe is what you believe dont hate, there will come a day when we are awarded for what we believe, and on that samw day you will be condemed, I only pray that you will some how come to the Lord and be saved. Sorry that was a little off subject, I like Christian rock, there are plenty of great bands in that genre; As I Lay Dying, Underoath, 12 Stones...to list a few...so I dont hate on your kind of music so dont on mine...

[Bloodthirster]

Religion was simply made as a way of controlling people in the past and is still working nowadays in the case of muslims (bastards) as i am an atheist and also hae a deep passion of argueing than i will proceed.
Christianity as a religion is also a way of contolling people also this is how kings and queens could keep control of the peacants because of their divine rights and the thought of eternal punishment for their sins.
Christianity can also be linked to terrorism in that two of the disciples were zealots. Zealots used guerilla tactics against the romans back in the past and these were the first sort of terrorist activities to be carried out.
So ha **** religion live for the moment and watch south park it has some great views on religion. BOOB

[djsteiner]

i think it's kind of funny that Athiests complain about us Christians "shoving their religion down our throats" because if you think about it, saying that there isn't or couldnt be a God and saying Jesus is a female reproductive organ is really the same thing, but from the other side. that said, convert you bastards, or you will be condemned to Hell for eternity (im serious)

[lukin_88]

i find it amazing that this topic was started two years ago and is still having people psoting about it...
first of all i am a christian and i dont want to come across all preachy...
second of all, i find it kind of ironic that all the people saying they hate christians who are shoving their views and lifestle down your throat are doing the exact same thing but to the other extreme by saying what they say...
i think the fact the a christianty is 'taboo' is such a strange thing...
i personly think that alot of people see ned flanders on the simpsons and get a false impression on what it is to be a christian... to be a christian is to admit that youve sinned, to admit that your human and that your not perfect... to be christian is to accept that jesus christ died for your sins, to be christian is to be aware that you cant do things on your own, to be a christian is to seek help from the lord the father god. i belive this with all my heart and since making the decision to be a christian i have never looked back...

to put it this way, everyone sins, its human nature... nobody is perfect... i think we can all agree... that sin seperates us from god, however christ died for us, his blood was what washed our sins clean and made us pure in gods eyes... therefore if you accept that you accept a place in heaven... if you dont then there is no place for you in eternity in heaven....
simply... imagine this situation... someone has a gun to your head... is about to kill you... then a stranger walks up to the guy and says 'hey kill me instead... this guy has so much to live for...' but this is the truley amazing part... the stranger who saved you from death is not just a stranger... he is your loving father who created all the heaven and the earth and the universe and all other universes...
its a concept so truley amazing its hard to comprehend... thats why some choose to dismiss it... it is easier not to belive that to try to accept the things that are beyond us... its about faith guys... its about believing... thats why its called faith...

now i know i said i wouldnt preach... and im sorry... but this is somthing im passionate about... god has worked wonders in my life and if you gave him half the chance you could never begin to comprehend what he can do in yours too...

sorry fot the long post... butplease before you dismiss somthing and slag it off... please look in to it... have an understanding of what it is you dont want to be apart of... rather than holding some bad experiences against the most amazing decision anyone can and will ever make...

[Lt.Phillips]

wow, a lot of interesting comments
I happen to be a storong believer in christ, the more I look at it the more I see how much more it makes sense then the other crap out there. such as evolution (although i know it's already been disproved)
but moving on, when you get in to conversaitions like this, get all the facts first. if you don't then your post becomes pointless. so just remember, think first.

[anthony19]

You all really need to read the bible if you don't beleive in God how did this wporld get here and how was the first man created and don't give me the big bang bull i'll tell you what happened God said bang and it was Jesus is not a **** but a king its so easy to trash talk if you don't beleive he's real look it up then any where you don't even have to read the bible to find out that Jesus is real that he was beatin for our trangressions much like your guys word against him and hung on the croos because of sins just like when you deny him and raised from the dead because he loves all you stupid people i could'nt die for someone who trash talk me but he did and tell me how many freinds will right now telling you the truth that they would go threw all that because they love you

[Mikeoman]

Man, people are just too edgy when it comes to the religion. Now, I'm an atheist, but I think that religion is something that should just be left alone. Now, Jesus may or may not have been the Son of God, but you can't deny that Christianity has made some people better people! Even though, say lots of people have been killed in the name of Jesus, it still can make people into better people if they don't turn into big fanatics!

Besides, if you believe in God you aren't wondering how the world was created or any of that. Lifes too short to figure it out anyhoo.

[anthony19]

Mikeoman you may be a little right its edgy but its not just the same as the rest of the world because every one can't stand livin on the edge but you live you die we know this every one dies now whether one of these are the truth heres your options don't believe and just think that life sucks your worthless no reason to live all death will be is blackness no life just gone or love satan and hate god whoever does love him will will be love by him in hell but not the way they think just put it this way you ever watch little nicky what happen to hitler lets say the devil give them a reason to walk bold legged and just say you believe just say that christ was real how sweet is that much love for us to give hell his life so we could be free 0nly for him to walk in hell for three days and rise on the third dayand now we when you die you can say hey im chillin with God the coolest most powerful dude there is we can play guitar together and now we are not going to die ever again anything we that is good even going to the biggest amusment park or playing vidoe games and alot of things will happen if we knew right now we could die of happiness its that overwhelming now thats what i call awesome beleive just think about what you beleive in is the thing you bow down to is worthy of your heart and soul

[King Kusa]

im cristian and to be honest most cristians are full of bull shit i mean its SUPOSE to be peace full as well as islam but we still go round killing people. do you see a buddhist suiside bomber or murderer? no! because they actually do what there religion ses. so to me it seems the "best" religion.

[King Kusa]

and what the hell is cristian rock?

[anthony19]

well first thing if you go around killing people your not a christian no matter how much you say you are just knowing and loveing God is not being a christian you have to commit a true relationship with jesus christ to be just or as close to like him as possible and he never killed anyone and just because you become a christian dose'nt mean your perfect you'll not kill anybody but could still possibly sin the most two important cammandments is love God with all your heart with all your soul all your mind and all your strength and love your nieghbor as you love your self and you don't love yourself you don't have a relationship with jesus and christian rock is the gospel of jesus put in to lyrics and rock sound behind it

[haotehmao]

if Rock is the Devil's music, then what the hell is Christian Rock? Same goes to Christian Metal. It's kinda ironic how show appreciation to God by singing song genres that are associated with the Devil.

[ChurchPunk]

Well, then how can bands survive in the pop scene because it is asociated(sp?) with Christianity? Look, just because a band belives in something dosent mean that they are bad musicians or that they are trying to shove anything down anyones throats. They sing about what they want. And weather or not you want to believe it, Christan metal and rock has been around basically since the beginning. It just doesent get much press because the media (and most of the metal scene) says the same things...it can be Christian and metal at the same time...so they just laugh and make a joke out of it. Their loss, I am not going to cry because they are missing out. I do find if funny that if a secular metal band comes out everyone says that it is a cool, and when a Christian metal band comes out they just say they are "ripping off" secular metal bands. Come on, that is stupid. There are clones and innovators in both scenes, it just so happnes that, again, secualr innovaters get all the press. And people need to realise that no matter what, Christian metal and rock are here to stay. So get used to it. And to thoes Christians that say it isnt "religously correct", well, neither was Jesus, but He saved the whole planet and made all the "religous" people at the time angry. He hung out with "sinners" and people "assosiated to the devil" and turned alot of lives around. I know that their is a God, and I know that Jesus died for me, and nothing will take that away, because God has proven Himself in my life. I can only hope and pray that others see that.

[anthony19]

awesome churchpunk i have heard just about everyone here dis the gospel of jesus christ and i have tried to tell them that jesus is important and the most important thing to everyones life just remember once your in the hands of jesus no one or nothing can take you from him cause him and his father are one

[Blessed Dead]

i dont give a shit what any of you have to say about religion, really, when it comes down to it, but a lot of you really sound like douche bags... um.. how about go worship jesus or mary or whoever and go to heavan... but shut the **** up about it... you telling us its going to save us is just making you look like some kind of tv evangelist... so please... just shut the **** up, grow the **** up... before you turn christianity into a jhovas witness thing where you go from door to door and harass people... for CHRISTS sake... maybe... maybe.( dont listen to em) the bands dont shove it down peoples throats... but you guys sure as hell do...

[Anarion614]

micha wrote:

RocknRoll is, has been, and always will be the devils music, so keep "your lord" out of it. We like to sin, and it keeps us interested in living, so take your god and your cheesy, unimaginative motivational lyrics and lame song structure and *** off.

...

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[hemi-san]

im curious (no im not) as to why you people are so antichrist. why not buddhism or hindus? why is it that we have entire organizations against christ. note aclu really stands for antichrist liberties unit.
could it be that this is the right one. i believe so hence i am a hardcore christian. or jesus freak as i like to be called

[hemi-san]

im curious (no im not) as to why you people are so antichrist. why not buddhism or hindus? why is it that we have entire organizations against christ. note aclu really stands for antichrist liberties unit.
could it be that this is the right one. i believe so hence i am a hardcore christian. or jesus freak as i like to be called. demon hunter rocks!

[Aus-10]

I'm a Christian; we aren't weird people.

Don't stereotype. You make it sound like we are all horrible people when we aren't.

[pagan_bloodlust]

hahaha i am going to love writing this hahahaha

as a person with scottish heritage i am well versed in the abhorrant nautre of people doing things in the name of a fable that has been proven not to exist in the context of the bible(i am not saying that god doesnt exist but that the bible is wrong) there is nothing wrong with cristianity but the people who preach it its just like communism works in theory put it into practice and people die, just like their music the only bad thing is the fans on that note i think i would rather go to hell than be a introverted bible basher who cant do anything fun because fun things are sins
I AM THE DEVIL AND I AM SENT HERE TO DO THE DEVILS WORK
also hemmi-san have the buddhists or hindus ever commited mass genocide in the name of their "religion" hindus arent even allowed to hold a weapon, thats why the made a new religion to defend the rest of them from invaders

[hemi-san]

ok the people in the middle ages were not true christians they werent allowed to read the bible becuz the priest were power hungry until one got his hands on the bible and went public with it disproving roman catholicism. wat i was saying is why are people trying to stamp out christianity and not the radical islams or something. think about this hell never ends it has no date it goes on forever. your theory is totally wrong as to why your not a christian. no one ever said you cant have any fun there are just certain things we are told not to do. and if you are a christian you will have no needs for those things anyways. it is resisting the sin that makes you stronger for next time. our body is a temple of the holy ghost hence we are commanded to tresat it as such. you wouldnt go into a church of any religion and trash it out. besides compare the time you are on earth to eternity. you can live in sin for a season and pay the price forever, or you can live for christ and spend your eternity with the maker of the universe. and if you would think about hell for minute huh? its not a bigol mountain with levels according to anything. it is one large lake of fire, this fire is hotter than anything you will find in any galaxies. plus it never goes out and you never burn up so you feel it forever. on the flip side there is heaven. no pain no suffering no light or day because of the light coming from the Son. you would be there with the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE! anybody with sense enough would go with christianity but i think the reason so many mock it is becuz to accept christianity would mean they would have to admit that theyre ways are wrong and they would like to think of themselves as good people when all in all they are simply stubborn and afraid.

[pagan_bloodlust]

you arguement has its good points but have you ever been to hell or heaven for that matter and have you ever noticed how heathen(bad person) is spelt almost exactly the same as heaven(good place) also how come you all blame islam for shit sure those who do terrible things for their god are ****heads but the kuran is pretty much the same as the cristian bible and yet there wrong and you guys are right and i think that science has pretty much proven that the bible didnt happen the way i mean the dinosaurs being like 65 million years older than man that sorta proves that god didnt create the earth so i think its pretty safe to say i wont be spending eternity anywhere than rotting in the ground or in a ****ing box

[hemi-san]

your problem is you have no faith. you yourself have never been to heaven or hell so how can you tell me that there is not. tell me what is easier to believe that everything you see happened by chance of some explosion of mixing gases(btw how did those gases get there?) and everything coming from nothing or that an intelligent being created and holds together all things. besides there is way too much evidence against evolution. most sciebntist dont really believe it but they say they do becuz on the flip side the explanation is god and they cant take that.how can you even use that heaven and heathen are spelled similarily. come on man your gonna need better than that. if you say you are the devill sent to do his work than how can you say the bible is wrong. you are contradicting yourself. the Bible is the first place in which we are told of him. also there are major differences in the koran and the bible the bible doesnt tell christians to go out and kill all of the non-christians. the koran has alot of contradictions and the bible has none, when you study what it says you shall find so but ignorance can supremely blind you from doing so.

[anthony19]

maybe the fact you think christ is shoved down your throat blessed dead is because that a message from jesus and he touched your heart don't be scared he loves you and as far as the devil owning anything remember God owns the devil and created him the devil owns nothing ANYTHING that can be use for a good is God all the devil owns is sin and hate and souls of people who hate or just don't give a care about jesus christ and its proven the bible is real and correct other historical books over 600 in fact compare to the bible pontues pilot who crufied jesus on the cross his death and proof of really living is recorded out side of the bible there are even statues found of him with his name on it the cloth that jesus was wrapped in was found and has his face and body in it people say its a painting the cloth is called a shroud but anyways thaey say its a painting they took a picture of it and could'nt really see his face but use and x-ray and seen the radiation in the material and use blood technologie and seen blood stains that match straight to th gospels in the bile don't beleive me look it up for yourselfs there are so many facts that make the bible so undeniable i dont under stand why people have to beleive in him anymore they should know he exsists.

[anthony19]

hey pagan bloodlust it talks about dinosuars are real and they are mentioned in the bible and great dragons are metioned in revalation and the levithanian and another beast starting with a b is mention in the book of Job look it up God was talking to Job not job like work its wrote the same but said diffrently Job got angry with God and God said to him did you see me lay the foudations of the earth or measure the sky what about before i made land in the world and it was just water when i hook levithanian and caught the b beast in the net was you there to help me aganist the beast and dont compare name why does antichrist have christ in it dude if you read above in my first message there 600 books and shroud that covered jesus body when he died that SCIENTIST yes SCIENTIST have look and said ITS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE THE BIBLE IS TRUE sure i messed up spelling bible in the first message i was typing fast i mess up a lot when i type anyways

[Thin Mr. Jones]

christians dont blow up building and hijack planes

You're right. Christians cheat indians out of their land and let their priests molest choir boys in the back room.

Not that I'm saying Christianity is worse than any other religion. It's just that you don't see any hindus or buddhists trying to push their religion's music of choice on us.

[hemi-san]

we're not pushing our music on anybody. its just htere for you to accept it. the reason you dont see their music always is because in America christianity is for the most part the main religion. The preist arent true christians because real christians will not long for things of the sort because the old person has passed away. as for the indians that was five hubdred years ago get over it whats done is done. besides because we took the land, look at what america has become. okay bad example think about this, america is now the most powerful nation in the world. (lesson in itself God can take anything and turn it into something good). there are people who profess to be christians and get so fired up up they forget one thing over the other. such as the bombing the abortion clinics guy. they have such a desire to cleanse the world that they murder the murderer. now if he asked forgiveness afterwards and was a genuine christian i believe he would have been forgiven. in no way still do i think thats right, granted abortion is flat out wrong and murderous, but there are better ways than bombing it. anyways back to the point. you cant stereotype all of the christians by what a couple do.

[hemi-san]

^^^^^ yeah my spelling sucks get over it

[anthony19]

if there was some one to do that to indians much less anyone and say that there christ-like or christian there really the antichrist not one or any true christian does any thing that jesus would'nt do no were not perfect due to our personal sins but a true christian has love and if they say there christian and don't really have that love they are blasphmers or a liar to God look at 9 11 and ask yourself who done that and be honest to yourself real christians have one great command givin to them by the starter of all christanity jesus and its to love your brother meaning everyone who is human and another great command is love God the father above ALL, WITHOUT THESE FOUNDATIONS YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN

[_zac_]

oh no

[_zac_]

oh no

anthony19 wrote:

hey pagan bloodlust it talks about dinosuars are real and they are mentioned in the bible and great dragons are metioned in revalation and the levithanian and another beast starting with a b is mention in the book of Job look it up God was talking to Job not job like work its wrote the same but said diffrently Job got angry with God and God said to him did you see me lay the foudations of the earth or measure the sky what about before i made land in the world and it was just water when i hook levithanian and caught the b beast in the net was you there to help me aganist the beast and dont compare name why does antichrist have christ in it dude if you read above in my first message there 600 books and shroud that covered jesus body when he died that SCIENTIST yes SCIENTIST have look and said ITS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE THE BIBLE IS TRUE sure i messed up spelling bible in the first message i was typing fast i mess up a lot when i type anyways

= f***tard
i thought smoking crack was a "sin"

[anthony19]

_zac_ i assure you all that i have said is true if you don't beleive me then look in the good book for your self it's in Job Chap 38 just read that chapter through job was a man of God and satan said he could proov him not so satan destroyed everything he had and Job never gave in until his freinds came to be there for him and they started to accuse him then he got to be a wise crack to God and in so God seen his fustration but let him know quick that he did not know everything as he said he did, just like you don't say you know, unless you actually look into it and that goes for every body look in to before you do it otherwise your a fool the same thing about the shroud look it up before you say anything words without knowledge is meaningless

[hemi-san]

i almost get the idea you like the book of job. lol

[PinkFloydFan_12]

OK ALL YOU ATHIESTS AND OR SATANISTS.I DONT GIVE A CRAP WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT CHRISTIANS CAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO HELL HAHAHAHA IN YOUR FACE HAHAHA

[venom258]

see heres the thing with this sick lifestlye of music christian's are sick ok you pick and poke at what you people think is a sin and then a christian band like "Underoath" then screaming at the top off your lungs cuse someone is different than you isn't a sin well lets see one thing religion is for those types of people that dont know how to live your own damn life and if somthing bad happens you have someone to always blame for your misfortune's but the way i see it is that everyone shpuld blame christians and chatholics for everything wrong with this world

[velsignet]

Man, this is one long thread. I failed at reading all of it; I kind of skipped the middle. I'm not really much a fan of Christian music either. I did like was church punk was saying, he's a good guy. Even though I don't remember what he was saying/ I can't find it, it was good. I'm going to have to agree with some of you that a lot of Christians do try to force Christianity on people. I'm not saying that all that evangelism is bad, but some people just don't know when to stop. Some people just take their point so far that it actually leads people away from Christ.

In the beginning of this thread there was some talk about how Christians don’t go out and kill people because of what they believe in. I’m not educated enough to say definitely if that’s true or not, but I’m going to have to disagree. I’ll betchya there are people in the world who claim a belief in Christ and go out to kill people who don’t agree. Those are the people that give Christians a bad name. Part of Christianity is loving people, whether they agree or disagree with you.

I, like a lot of you, used to think of Christian music (when I talk about Christian music I am referring to music of which they sing, or talk about Christ in such a way as to worship him. And in this case I’m talking about the worship bands. Guys like Chris Tomlin, Michael W. Smith. I guess I’ll talk about ‘Christian Rock’ later) as just guys sitting up there with no talent playing an acoustic singing the same stuff as the guy before them. Over many years, though, I’ve found this not to be true. Many of them are sitting up there with an acoustic, but they aren’t trying to be technical. A lot of people, myself included, are always looking for something that sounds good and has more than a three or four chord repetition. That’s not the intent of this music. This music is called worship music because that’s what it’s intended for. It’s supposed to be simple so that people can focus on God, not the music.

Now Christian Rock, a genre (I call it genre of its own, maybe you don’t. That’s cool) that receives criticism everywhere it rears it’s controversial head. Rock and roll at its beginnings comes from a sexual term. From what I’ve heard it’s to have sex (which is the rock) and then leave (roll), therefore having no more relations with that person. This obviously goes against what Christians believe. So with that being said, in this response I’m not referring to rock and roll in that sense. I refer to it only as a genre of music with no lifestyles affiliated. I’ve found lots of good Christian Rock bands over the years—Stryper, Living Sacrifice, Phil Keaggy, Mortification… You wanna year some good guitar playing then listen to Phil Keaggy. I think it was Clapton who said that Keaggy was the best guitar player that ever lived or something. So there’s good stuff out there for everyone. But I’m more a classic rock person myself—Zeppelin, Foghat, etc… Nothing wrong with that. Some people will only listen to Christian music, which is cool too. No way that you can get down in your faith by hearing The Word all the time.

Christian metal is also controversial. Some of the bands are only a band because they want to be the alternative to the secular version of them. That’s cool, alright for some, but it never really caught my interest. But a lot of those bands sound really good too. Like the one man project Horde has been (secretly) hailed by the seculars. I’ve only heard a little bit of the original black metal stuff—stuff like Venom, Mayhem, and Emperor. But Horde, lyrics aside, definitely sounds black metal to me.

So Christian music doesn’t necessarily suck, you just might not have found what you were looking for. If any of you ever get around to listening to it, have a clear mind. Don’t go about listening to it thinking of the stereotypes and such. There’s some good stuff and there some bad stuff out there, you just gotta know what you’re looking for and have an open mind to it.

That’s all I have to say, hope I didn’t bore anyone or revive a ‘dead’ topic or anything. Email me or send me a message somehow if you question anything I had to say or whatever. Thanks for reading.

[velsignet]

Another thing that gives Christians a bad name is the Christians who bash other people. Stuff like

OK ALL YOU ATHIESTS AND OR SATANISTS.I DONT GIVE A CRAP WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT CHRISTIANS CAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO HELL HAHAHAHA IN YOUR FACE HAHAHA

ok, fer all u guys who think its kewl to hail satan and diss jesus coz its just doesnt seem cool to u guys can get get blessed !...seriously ! ..u guys dnt know shit about god ! ..u guys are all into this satanic hype these artists pour down u ...it relly shows how dumb u guys can get ....i listen to a lot of slipknot ..but i'm also a chirstian n proud of evey inch of it ! .i just ignore slipknots gay lyrics..music is music ! ...dnt get too involved with teh hype it sells ...love jesus ....get blessed ..!!

I'm not trying to offend here, but learn how to type dude. I feel like I need to find a decoder ring in a cereal box to decode that message.

[BobMalarky]

Two years late but I'm throwin' in two cents anyhow

Yes, even boy-meets-girl songs can be ‘Christian’, if they celebrate love in the context of the Bible.

If by in the context of the Bible you mean its about Biblical figures or places or time period, sure. But I don't think thats how you meant it.

It can get rather annoying when Christians try to take credit for everything nice and wholesome in the world and perpetuate this idea that only religious people, or only Christians in particular, are capable of being good people. Or only Christianity can define what "good" is.

I noticed someone said that Christian music is not welcome on the hardcore/metal scene because it ‘isn’t rebellious’. On the contrary, Christians are radicals! They are weird people, my friend! They are anything but compliant. They follow the biggest radical in the history of the world: Jesus Christ.

I believe it was Mark Twain that said “Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals”.

After having acceptance for 2000 years and being the most widely-spread accepted belief and what everyone even on a subconcious level uses to gauge morality and normality, its not longer radical.

If you saw The Passion, you probably wondered ‘What would possess a man to do such a thing in the face of torture and death?’

If you knew your history you'd know how inaccurate The Passion is.

Thousands, millions of people were executed by the Romans in the same exact manner as this man Jesus who may or may not have existed. He's not special in the way he died. Even the Bible mentions two other people, two other criminals in the eyes of the Roman rule, were crucified with him that day. How come we don't deify them as well?

[velsignet]

I think that your quote was taken a bit out of context, I think the original review guy was saying what would possess a man to love upon the people who were crucifying him. Therefore saying that Jesus was a radical because of stuff like that.

[PinkFloydFan_12]

U are right velsignet but i should have thought before i said that.but i kinda got made cause they are always bashin us and well i got carried away im sorry for that all u guys

[PinkFloydFan_12]

MAD* sorry typo monster hehe

[velsignet]

I hear ya man.

[PinkFloydFan_12]

yup so are we shouldnt be fighting and bashing ppl anyway so explain ur opinion in a nice and non-judgemental way lol

[pie_man_25]

fozzy_5674 wrote:

Before you people insult christiansity, maybe you should find out what its all about. $hab, there are billions of christians in this world and very, very few of them condone any type of terrorist activity, and for the ones that do, they need to open up their bible and read up loving your neighbor.

As for the music itself, Demon Hunter, Zao, and dead poetic rock harder than many of the other bands out there. Listen to some of their stuff before you shun them because they're "christian rock"

1) I've heard many a christian rock band and none rock as much as revolutionary bands like the beatles or the who, or zeppelin.
2) I do agree that we shouldn't bash other peoples beliefs and stereotype them, that's how world war 1 and 2 started
3) coming from a family of christians I know their beliefs:
1) if you ain't one of us your a gay ****ed up druggie who's going straight to hell (straight from the clergy's mouth, I really wish I was lying)
2) you have to love everone else but we get to beat you with shit because we're you're parents/elders and we're better than you.
3) If you don't do aswe say then you're a commy

[pie_man_25]

RatiugLink wrote:

That wasn't really an article, that was just voicing your opinion about Christian rock.

iliketaskate:

"well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in."

I'm not trying to "bash" Christianity, but dispite what this article said, Christians DO force religion on people. Many of my Christian friends keep trying to convert me, because I'm wrong. When the pilgrims came to the "New World" as it was called, they killed Native Americans who wouldn't convert to Christianity (and often killed them anyway, how Christianly of them!). Don't tell me the ideas of Christianity aren't being forced. You don't know what it feels like to have those ideas forced on you.

"Second, Christian artists don?t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article?s predecessor mentioned a ban called ?Demon Hunter?. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ?foolish words? in their song ?Annihilate The Corrupt? (from the album ?Summer of Darkness'), but they don?t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong."

That entire paragraph was contradictory. I haven't heard the band, but from what you said, it sounds like their lyrics are something along the lines of:
"Sex, drugs, and rock n' roll is not the way to go. Burn in hell dirty bastard!"
So if you want to be technical, they aren't quite shoving Christianity down our throats, they've actually got a knife to our throats, telling us to swallow it.

I also agree with this guy.

[pie_man_25]

pie_man_25 wrote:

fozzy_5674 wrote:

Before you people insult christiansity, maybe you should find out what its all about. $hab, there are billions of christians in this world and very, very few of them condone any type of terrorist activity, and for the ones that do, they need to open up their bible and read up loving your neighbor.

As for the music itself, Demon Hunter, Zao, and dead poetic rock harder than many of the other bands out there. Listen to some of their stuff before you shun them because they're "christian rock"

1) I've heard many a christian rock band and none rock as much as revolutionary bands like the beatles or the who, or zeppelin.
2) I do agree that we shouldn't bash other peoples beliefs and stereotype them, that's how world war 1 and 2 started
3) coming from a family of christians I know their beliefs:
1) if you ain't one of us your a gay ****ed up druggie who's going straight to hell (straight from the clergy's mouth, I really wish I was lying)
2) you have to love everone else but we get to beat you with shit because we're you're parents/elders and we're better than you.
3) If you don't do aswe say then you're a commy

yeah.. I'd like to apologise for my comments, I'm still kinda blowing off some major steam, I still don't like christian rock but that in no way justifies what I said about chriatians and I am truly very sorry, what I've done was wrong.
no I don't have multiple personalities.

[anthony19]

pie-man ihave not talked in a while but i read what you said abvout revoulutionary band's zepplin, the who man i love that stuff dude there is some song's then that could be considered christian knockin on heavens door, heaven is'nt to far away, heaven let your light shine down im sure theres christian music out there like that if not God has laid it on my heart to make real christian rock like that happen so im puttin a band togehter

[anthony19]

guys alot of christian don't try to force this christian stuff down your throat and if it seems like it they very much could be sinning themselves and if they judge you they are sinning jesus has said somthing like this "do not judge one another how could you look at your brother and say get that sawdust out of your eye, you hypicrit if you would pay attention to the plank in your own eye and get it out then maybe you could see clearly to help your brother with the sawdust in his" now jesus said that judgeing is for God but don't think its wrong if someone tells you what a sin is if your sinning once or twice but to judge you now thats a whole diffrent ball game but the reason they tell you about jesus there trying to warn you God has placed so many mircles in front of my eyes that i know hes real and true and loving just like the bible says they tell you so much because acdc is wrong when they say hell aint a bad place to be they want you in heaven not hell but unlike them i won't judge you i just have to say jesus lives you and i loveyou guys no matter what jesus will always love you and he wants you to hang with him in heaven not be tortured in hell

[pie_man_25]

anthony19 wrote:

pie-man ihave not talked in a while but i read what you said abvout revoulutionary band's zepplin, the who man i love that stuff dude there is some song's then that could be considered christian knockin on heavens door, heaven is'nt to far away, heaven let your light shine down im sure theres christian music out there like that if not God has laid it on my heart to make real christian rock like that happen so im puttin a band togehter

[pie_man_25]

right, please note that knokin' on heaven's door and stairway to heaven aren't really christian in my books,
keep in mind my opinion of christian is pretty stereotypical. Let's get the genres out of the way first, just because the lyrics mention a religion doesn't mean the song is religious but it's all left to opinion (Stairway to heaven is about the foolishness of trying to buy your way into heaven; in my own opinion). in the end rock is rock, I'll defend rock as long as I live just as I defend freedom of expression and the right to know things in spite of the fact that not all opinions are good to others.

Now that that's over, let's explain religion: I'm atheist, no surprise there, and I believe in free will and peacebefore I believe in anything else. I DON'T believe the Jesus was son of god, however I DO believe that he was in fact alive at one point and that his teachings of love and tolerance were in fact true whether or not God was involved or even the fact that there is a God in the first place.
Also I'd like to apologise for the rude and racist things that I have said before out of anger and would also like to congradulate anthony19 pn deciding to satart a band.

[floydroze]

psssssttt... I'm a christian guitarist, I play in a worship band at church, I love Jesus and God....

However, I'm also a metalhead, played in both a Metallica and Slayer tribute band, and have a CD collection that would make Satan very happy!

Just to point out to all you guys that "might not understand" the christian thing. Its not all about preaching to people, spreading Gods word, being a do gooder bible thumping weirdo... Its about faith, and having a relationship with God, helping to try and be a better person, a more productive person to help better society and mankind.... well actually its about alot of things, these are just a few....

As a Metalhead and a Christian, I gotta point out something to all you metalhead christian HATERS, Have a listen to and pay close attention to the words for Metallica's "Creeping Death", If you get what I'm saying, then have a look at just about every metal band out there, they've all written or recorded a song about God and religeon.

Music is Music, if its good, who cares if it glorifies God or the Devil... If we as musicians are going to bash any type of music, we should be bashing the talentless music of hip hop, that music is churning out wanna be gangsta thugs and creating alot of bad in this world... and 95% of those millionaires don't write, produce or have anything to really do with the music other than promoting Crime, Rasists, and bitch slapping with their thoughtless lyrics....

[anthony19]

thanks pie-man-25 man im not gonna push it on you but i do believe there is a God and that jesus was his son but i do hope man you can try to beleive at least for a week put your heart in it too like read some of the four gospels of the holy bible theres more than one translation too theres king james and niv and ampliefied but if not man im not going to force on you man and thanks dude

[anthony19]

floydroze not doubtin that you love jesus or God but you need to read your bible more manabout takin things into your body and how they come back out if you listen to love and take it in then you speak of it and if you listen to hate you speak hate so ask a pastor, about where to find it the bible then read it but man i do like no i live the sound of metal bands man i have not found no christian rock of the ones i really like like def leppard or ozzy but the way there voice sounds and the instruments sound togehter is awesome but there words are wasted there may be some kinda of good words to some songs but any ways man for you to be a true christian you have to invite Jesus in your heart and to invite him your heart you have to let him in and to follow him you have listen to him so you can speak for him

[silentverse]

i think the best we can do is listen to music and decide for ourselves.

sufjan stevens. anyone?

[SFSGSW]

Christian rock, sounds like an oxymoron to me.

[HawkNelsonGeek]

Yes, I am a Christian. Yes, christian music isnt the best, but God is.

[LakeboDom]

Burn in hell wrote:

Christianity is a cult. Go get raped by a priest.

...there is sooo much I would like to say but all i will say is god bless you and i hope he blesses you with a functional brain sometime in your life.
War of Ages sick christian band by the way =)
I respect demon hunter for what they try to do but i honestly dont find them that good =/

[LakeboDom]

pie_man_25 wrote:

RatiugLink wrote:

That wasn't really an article, that was just voicing your opinion about Christian rock.

iliketaskate:

"well written. i dont belive much in god or listen to christan muisic, but what i dont understand is why do people have to bash anthing that they dont belive in."

I'm not trying to "bash" Christianity, but dispite what this article said, Christians DO force religion on people. Many of my Christian friends keep trying to convert me, because I'm wrong. When the pilgrims came to the "New World" as it was called, they killed Native Americans who wouldn't convert to Christianity (and often killed them anyway, how Christianly of them!). Don't tell me the ideas of Christianity aren't being forced. You don't know what it feels like to have those ideas forced on you.

"Second, Christian artists don?t try to stuff religion down your throats. You are just trying to make yourself think they are (because, ironically, a lot of what they have to say makes sense). The person who wrote this article?s predecessor mentioned a ban called ?Demon Hunter?. They have some pretty brutal stuff, and they scream Christianity in your face, but they are not forcing it down your throat. Yes, they have a few turn-or-burn songs, they bash other metal acts for their ?foolish words? in their song ?Annihilate The Corrupt? (from the album ?Summer of Darkness'), but they don?t force religion on you. They are speaking from experience, not proclaiming that they are right and you are wrong."

That entire paragraph was contradictory. I haven't heard the band, but from what you said, it sounds like their lyrics are something along the lines of:
"Sex, drugs, and rock n' roll is not the way to go. Burn in hell dirty bastard!"
So if you want to be technical, they aren't quite shoving Christianity down our throats, they've actually got a knife to our throats, telling us to swallow it.

I also agree with this guy.

if someone doesnt want to "swallow religon" they simply wont do it...moron

yeah and the pilgrims killed of most of the native americans ONLY because they werent christian. and the fact that all those greedy bastards not only wanted the land that they found, but every inch of land until the pacific. a little thing called 'the manifest destiny' had nothing to do with it.
way to go ha

[thrilla13w]

for those of you who disagree with what is being said and blast it, what makes you able to do that?
many of you who do that preach relativism, and whats true for you may not be true for me. then why are you bashing something like that? your contradicting yourself. and relativism fails as a value system anyway, its like saying that all generalizations are false.

[...anyone?...]

You are all idiots. Okay, most of you are. Not all. I quit reading after awhile so I can't honestly call all of you idiots. But, most of you are. OKay. Look. Christians are people. No better no worse and (the true ones) admit that, Jesus said that we're all sinners and without him we go to Hell. Yeah, so, we're all the same, right? Okay. Now, people are, in generall, stupid in groups and make mistakes. Yes, Christians have commited atrocities, yes they did kill people cause they wouldn't convert, but that doesn't mean every single Chrisitan you ever meet is like that. Germans killed like 6 million (more, but I don't remeber the exact number) people, but does that mean that every German you ever meet its into genocide. No, it doesn't. So, stop making generalizations. They're idiotic. Anyway. Okay. Christian music...yeah, alot of it sucks. ALly and A.J., Rat Pack, other bands so horrible my mind has blocked them off and forced me to repress my memories of their songs. But, then there are really good bands. Demon Hunter, Project 86, DC Talk (one of the best bands I've ever heard, Chrisitian or not), Family Force 5 (okay, for whoever said Chrisitan music isn't original, listen to this band, they're Christian, btu they are the weirdest band I have ever heard, they're like Southern rap-rock-disco-fusion-metal-ska on acid. They're weird.), Relient K, Switchfoot, Still Remains, As I Lay Dying, Anberlin--all of them are awesome bands. (Elvis Presley and Johnny Cash even have some Christian songs.) And I listen to all of them because they're good, not because they're Christian. For all of you who are bashing Christian music, go listen to the bands I mentioned, without having a set prejudice against them just cause they're Christian, and I bet you'll like at least one of them.

[Skam127]

Man personally i think christians are more punk than any of the bands saying they are punk.. they are diffrent and they don't care and they are hated for being diffrent. But seriously the christian music scene is fine (and I know a fair bit about it i worked at a christian radio station for 2 yrs) yes ther are bad bands but there are also some good ones and even great ones (Pillar, P.O.D., DC Talk.)

Oh and christain bashers.. please at east know what your talking about before you bash it.

[Rodie]

peilun wrote:

hey i'm a christian....
i don't care what you say about us..
we are what we are and we are not terorist [sic] and our lord is not a **** whoever said that..
just show some respect for my religion and *** off!

You obviously do care if you took the time to post a comment. You may not be a terrorist but Christians started the crusades, which has killed a lot more people then religious based terrorism unless of course you consider the crusades an act of terrorism. Anyways, I like the Christian band Live but I'm not quite sure how much of a Cristian band they are considered to be.

[MikeDee]

I believe in God and Christ but I don't see why I should be on my knees in front of the pope or anyone else related to the Church. We are all equal, right ?

Also it's pretty fun to see some *******s desperately trying to get some atention by saying Christ is a ****, cuz well, he didn't do anything bad to you right ? If you don't belive at the very least respect others's beliefs.

[J3ss3x2]

You ppl are shallow. You can't mix Catholicism with Christianity. there is no pope in Christianity, there is no pergatory, and works don't get you to heaven.

Towards the article:

"There is no neutral ground in this world. There is God, and there is Not God, to put it squarely. You can not write a song that neither curses nor praises God."

Reasoning:

Not so...your faith[or religion in some cases] may have no neutrality, but music-'just noise'-may neither praise nor curse God. Ex. - If you wrote a song about getting your driver's license, It has nothing to curse God nor to praise him-only to tell the joy of getting a license.

[AA00P]

First off, I'm a Christian. Roman Catholic, to be precise. Christianity is an umbrella term that encompasses both Catholics and Protestants. Mormons, too.
This article makes some good points.
Still, most 'christian bands' are downright awful.

[Phafi!]

Melchior wrote:

and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a ****

Dude at least show respect and dont say that man.

[lumpy890]

First, this might be the most biased article I've ever read. Second, you say that music cannot be Christian, a point which I definatly disagree with. If you've ever read Nietzsche, you have read that Christianity is an action, not a state. As for this whole, "they cant force it down your throat", I agree. No one can force you to listen to their music, if you don't want to be preached at then turn off the radio. On the other side of it, I myself have been harassed by countless Christians and their sects because of my philosophical views. So Christians, get off our backs, non-christians, stop bitching and turn off the CD.

[lumpy890]

First, this might be the most biased article I've ever read. Second, you say that music cannot be Christian, a point which I definatly disagree with. If you've ever read Nietzsche, you have read that Christianity is an action, not a state. As for this whole, "they cant force it down your throat", I agree. No one can force you to listen to their music, if you don't want to be preached at then turn off the radio. On the other side of it, I myself have been harassed by countless Christians and their sects because of my philosophical views. So Christians, get off our backs, non-christians, stop bitching and turn off the CD.

thrilla13w wrote:

for those of you who disagree with what is being said and blast it, what makes you able to do that?
many of you who do that preach relativism, and whats true for you may not be true for me. then why are you bashing something like that? your contradicting yourself. and relativism fails as a value system anyway, its like saying that all generalizations are false.

As a relativist and a hard determenist, I disagee. Now, I'm probably going to get a swarm of messages saying my opinion is wrong and I'm wrong for expressing it, blah blah blah. Well if you don't like my opinion, stop reading it. I don't see how this is a hard concept.

[xSEANx777]

Lord_Xian wrote:

your getting it all wrong, christians are ok, as 'ok' as any religious person can be, its bloody muslims that are the terrorists. Their religion -- "kill a christian. Win a prize" all we need is another crusade to kill them all. TO ARMS!!!

while I believe that would not be a bad idea I think that would make Christians seem like horrible people.
As a Christian, I don't want that.

And before anyone else says Christian Metal sucks...
let me name some bands

As I Lay Dying
Norma Jean
Zao
Impending Doom

All of which are Christian

[Wood & Metal]

Golly, just look at all the stereotypes flying around. On second thought, dont, you might get offended.

[BKGMorley]

Melchior wrote:

and this is another reason why christian anything is a bad idea... jesus is a ****

Jesus is a ****? thats hardly fair. he was one of the nicest guy ever lived. its the whole religous think that pisses me off

[3rdHorseman]

Christian Music isn't forcing anything down your throat. Just don't listen to them if you have problem with it. Its like you guys are going out to find problems that support your beleif you aren't solving anything so go do something creative. and you do you and i'll do me.

[noah21295]

Christian music isnt bad its people like David Crowder, Amy Grant, and Chris Rice who give it a bad name.

[christianrokr25]

May I mention that in the end, more Christians are commenting. That proves Christians are going to win.

now, boys and girls, lets watch ppl bash my beliefs

[lugoffguardgirl]

i am christian, and the whole thing about us shoving religion down your throats, wait what, we just want every one to have abetter life. trust me, before i was a christian, my life was bad, then i became, broke down in tears, and now my life has changed, it does that for everyone, and christian rock bands are amazing, akissforjersey anyone

[MetalheadforJC]

I dont get why some poeple bash christain music when they lissen to it. Some one is all like "f christain metal" even tho they lissen to Underoath and As I Lay Dying. Espeshaly when bands like Reiltent K and Switchfoot mad it into aternative radio stations. Christain music has a point. You lissen to Britny Spreas and what not and they have no point. Like some rap music it's all connected and what not, which tells a story or lesson. I have a friend that wasnt christain a while ago and he liked christain better then normal because it had a point. 50 cent sing about sex and what not, but KJ-52 sings about situations and life with Christ.

If you'r thinking "you'r christain you cant lissen to normal music" than your wrong because I dont know how to play any christain metal/rock songs yet. Christain is basicly a subgenre of what ever type it is (metal, rock, pop, rap, countery, techno yes I herd a chrisatain band labed as techno on yahoo).

[Ringoman2]

Hey man I would never diss Christians because I am one, but you cannot call music rock that is politically correct. Christianity is (at least modernly) politically correct because modern day society is based off of Christianity therefore it cannot be rock, because rock is based off of things that are not poltically, drugs, sex etc... A little off the topic I love God, I love church music, you know the organ/ piano pure singing stuff, NOT guitar NOT drums and NOT bass. Just like government and religion rock and religion must be seperated.

[SixStringMurder]

Here it is in my eyes. I don't think preaching about any kind of religion in metal epsecially should not be acknowledged, there is their own special place for that. But, since that isn't the case, since it's in metal anyhow and there is nothing we can do about it, the bands that do like The Devil Wears Prada, Demon Hunter and Shinedown, they are still not really expressing it through their music. On stage (Especailly if you have been to a Devil Wears Prada show) they will preach about God but it's not in the music, which is the important part. Demon Hunter isn't necessarily talking about relgion either, they bring positive energy in their lyrics about other things, even on stage, they don't like to force their views to anyone, I'm a fan of Devil Wears Prada and I'm not religious, they play music I like, that's why I like them. Everyone can have their own views, that's what music is about, expressing you yourself. On the whole, it's not vital at all, it's just another subgenre, and I don't think anybody should be fighting about it because it's pointless, just enjoy the sounds, don't worry about God in this and definately don't fight about it, not worth anyones effort or time.

[dylanmance]

christian music = guilt inducing brainwashing and propoganda built to get stupid scared people to follow them and be "happy"

religion is the downfall of mankind

[linds4lif]

dylanmance wrote:

religion is the downfall of mankind

Actually sin is....

[forevergrounded]

JoHNNERz wrote:

I've had enough of this.
Show me one Christian rock song that says anyhting about
"convert or burn" or anyhtign of that nature, and I'll agree with all of you saying that Christian rock shoves religion down your throat.
Just one lyric.

i whole heartedly agree with you man. everyone says well they should stop forcing their religion on us. not every christian does that. just the ones who care about people enough to the point where they dont want anyone else to face eternal suffering. and for people who think that christian music is guilt inducing brainwashing propaganda. that is the most ignorant thing anyone could say.

[oldmetallica]

People who say that Christians try to shove religion down your throat. You do realize that the point is not to shove it down your throat but just to tell you about it. There are some people though who do shove it down your throat and yeah thats wrong. But don't stereotype. And to dylanmance you seriously have listen to Kerry King a little too much. Religion is not brainwashing, or atleast Christianity isn't. Infact a lot of band says Relgion as a whole is brainwashing but they only trash Christianity. What people don't know is is that out of all the Relgions, a regular Christian is the least dedicated of them all. In India they drop down on their knees on a certain time every day and pray to their god and if you don't do it you get killed. Those people are constantly bowing down. So lets here a song about hating Buddha then? Those are the brainwashing shove-it-down-your-throat religions...

[oldmetallica]

People need to stop turning this into an argument and keep it as a debate. really. If we all listen to eachothers opinions we get more out of it...

[leeroy909]

"Is Christian music really worth mentioning or is it a powerful new breed that could change a generation?" Somewhat of a false dilemma surely?

[ace1112]

I have no problem with the lyrics of christian rock what I have a problem with is simple....
Christian "rockers" do not have the talent of other genres but like to pretend the do

[tri-color22]

To those who don't believe in God:
Please, use your brains. If no one created anything, how do we have anything? If there was a big bang that started everything and God had nothing to do with it, where did the thing that blew up come from?

To those who believe Christianity is just one more way to get to God:
Jesus was pretty clear on that: "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." What you practice when you say that God accepts everyone who worships anyone or anything, is a cult known as post-modernism, which seems like it might be the world religion the antichrist will impose before he demands to be worshiped himself. By the way, Mormons are not Christians. They place the same value on Christ as Muslims do, and don't believe what He was who He said He was.

To those who say Christians try to shove their religion down people's throats:
First, no one can force someone to believe anything. Second, those who try to force Christianity on people and kill them if they don't have lost sight of their God, or never knew Him in the first place. Third, you're shoving your opinion down everyone else's throats when you say that we as Christians are doing so.

To those who believe rock music is evil:
If you haven't noticed, our culture is not a true Christian one. So many people claim the title, but don't actually care about it at all. They are simply Christians because, for the most part, it is socially unacceptable not to be. They are hollow hypocrites, who go to church on Wednesday night then go out to a party afterward. Rock isn't about rebellion against any particular thing, only what is established and accepted by the majority. As for me, I use rock to rebel against hypocrisy, immorality, and various other evils of our society. Also, "rock" is just a word, and holds no weight against the music itself. This is part of why I personally don't like genres, because there are always discrepancies, and no band plays a single song that is wholly and completely isolated in that genre, without any influence from any other genre. Just let the music speak for itself.

To those who want to make religion a private thing that doesn't influence anything outside of a church building:
First, that would be a violation of some kind of command in almost every religion in the world, so how can religion truly be practiced if it had to be kept quiet? Second, no matter how subjective you think you are, you are still influenced by things around you. There is absolutely no way to remove the influence of Christianity from the world.

To those who don't think Christian musicians are talented and wonder why people listen to their music:
First, anyone ever heard of Phil Keaggy? I doubt anyone would say that he doesn't have considerable talent, at least not honestly. Second, those of us who listen to Christian music do so because we'd rather listen to music that honors the name of Christ than that which defies it, such as Slayer.

To those who think all Christians are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach:
Please, stop stereotyping. We don't say that all rockers are suicidal because of Kurt Cobain. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get people complaining, saying that Christians stereotype people of other religions by saying they are evil. Well, it's not stereotyping, because there is no middle ground between good and evil. We as Christians, of ourselves, are evil. But, God looks over our sins if we acknowledge His son, Jesus Christ. God sees the perfect life Jesus lived and accepts it in place of ours.

To everyone who isn't a Christian:
Look closely and see if there is any meaning at all to your life. I dare you. I also dare you to read up on the Bible, as has been previously suggested, and see if it's brainwashing nonsense. I urge you, put away your pride, and admit you're not perfect, that you are indeed guilty.

[tri-color22]

By the way, I apologize for the novel, but, as you can see, I had a lot to say.

[Sale93]

Music is just noise.

This is quite insulting...

[purge0809]

you people say you're trying to discriminate us christians? just because we're the "goody two-shoes" type doesn't mean we don't have the right to listen to our own music. and about those who say christians don't shred? No one mentioned this band yet. Hillsong's (actually this is a church with a band) Nigel Hendroff does amazing solos... Try to look for him on youtube... His "Amazing Solos"... It might help you decide if you want to listen to christian music... Try Hillsong United too, they may not be as good but their riffs are catchy... Hard rock combined with very nice lyrics...

Honestly, i think it is some secular guitarists who don't have talent... I mean, those metal bands' guitarists... yeah, they play fast... wow... put they keep doing the same thing over and over (i'm not stereotyping)... A minor arpeggio for 4 counts then change to E minor arpeggio... wow... (i repeat... i'm not stereotyping)

Some bands I listen to are Hillsong (semi-rock), Hillsong United (rock, guitar-driven), Stellar Kart (rock, started as punk rock, good guitarist, too), Delirious (good guitarist, too), 12 Stones (good guitarist), Switchfoot, many others...

i see many people stereotype us as catholics... message for you... not much catholics have the strength to create a metal band for their religion! NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE CATHOLIC, so stop blaming us for the crusades, the priest rape thing and blah3... Catholics were responsible for the crusades, not us protestants...

we don't stuff are beliefs on your faces, throats, whatever... these bands make this song simply because they want to let people hear what God has done for their lives, for us... And because they know that they can glorify God through their music...

[VanTheKraut]

In my opinion there are 2 types of christian rock songs...
"Turn or burn" and "Jesus loves me, yes he does, the bible tells me so"

This coming from a christian who hates christian music with every fiber of his being.