Punk Vs. Metal: Todays Longing Battle

As I was skimming through articles about “why punk is better than metal” or the other way around, I noticed some things. Most of the time people haven’t listened to both sides of the story. Its mostly just arguments dragging on about who is more talented or who has more solos blah blah blah. So I’ve decided to write this article defending both sides.

Punk:

First off the article I read recently stated punk bands had less talent because all they play is power chords or don’t have any solos and are all about how there girlfriends dumped them. I hope to God that he was referring to pop-punk, because if he wasn’t then he really hasn’t listened to much punk. I admit a lot of punk is about girls or has many power chords played, but because of Blink 182, Simple Plan, GC, or NFG, punk has been stereotyped as whiney or numb minded. For one thing stay away from these bands in my opinion, to me they are garbage and are classified as mall punk, pop-punk, or chick punk. Check out bands that aren’t as popular, Thrice have hardcore and metal influences, as well as punk. If you don’t like mainstream punk then look for more indie or underground punk bands. But to defend one more genre of punk, I’m just going to say that some Emo is pretty good. Although it is becoming more and more of a trend and is being blown way out of proportion. All people can say about it is “Emo is gay and only pussys that want to cry listen to it” and that’s the only reason they have! For some people it isn’t their style of music which is fine but don’t trash music that people like and love.

Metal:

Metal isn’t something that I’m into as much as punk, but I still like some of it. Metal is and always has been known for its speed, aggressive nature and insane solos. I love listening to metal when I’m in the mood for something more complex and I’m tired of hearing power chords. Metal is also a great genre to listen to when your pissed off or working out. Some people are just so narrow minded that they think metal is just screaming and its “noise.” These people have obviously never looked into metal more and tried to find something that would suite them more. I always hear “I hate how metal heads dress all black and pretend they are devil worshipers” etc, but look at some of the hardcore kids out there that are the same exact way. And news flash to punk kids, hardcore is a form of punk! One thing that annoys me the most is when people compare “insert punk band here” to Metallica or Zeppelin, or even Jimi Hendrix for that matter, punk will never compare. They started the rock movement for all of us. The only exception would be to mention the Sex Pistols or The Clash etc. These bands started punk and are equal to big bands of the 70’s and 60’s that started rock or metal. They didnt play more complex stuff alright, but they did something that was never done before and began a completly new genre.

Conclusion:

There can't really be a comparison between the two, its really a matter of taste. To say that metal has more talent that punk is ridiculous unless you have heard every member of any major punk band to attempt to play Master Of Puppets in its entirety. It takes major talent to get up on stage, play an instrument/sing and do it well. Even if you are only playing power chords or screaming into the mic. And it is damn near tough to write a song with emotion that flows with the lyrics and has a meaning everyone can compare to. So please, respect all genres of music(except pop and rap), and if something doesn’t entertain you stay away from it or look into it more. No one likes an asshole in forums stating some band rules over all metal/punk bands.

Comments

[PhantomLord_wtf]

Some good point, although it doesnt take major talent to get up on a stage and play power chrods...

Overall, Metal is harder and more complex, but they are too completely different genres so they should not be compared.

[G-Rock]

no comparison between punk and metal...They're polar from eachother, one not usually having solos and the other usually depending on them. It just matters on your anger level, I believe.

[Geldof the Grey]

^meh. Although it was better than most, it's still another Punk/Metal article and most of us are sick of them by now

[be-back]

U Don't know anything about Metal

[Liam The Baker]

Not too shabby, although there seemingly isnt any point to the article, rather than just defining the two genres and naming key bands. Genres can never be defined as great as its all down to opinion. nice article though chief

[Oswald]

You cant compare Metal and Punk.
It is like comparing Day and Night.
You are REALLY bad at comparing!!!

[banished]

respect all genres of music(except pop and rap)

HAHHAHA I'll Drink to that!!!

[respect all genres of music(except pop and rap]
since when is rap music?
the article wasnt great because the two generes are really different and cant be compared very well, so stop trying to compare them people.

[letsgomurphys06]

PUNK HAS SOLOS

DROPKICK MURPHYS
DEAD KENNEDYS
BOUNCING SOULS
AGNOSTIC FRONT
NOFX

I DON'T LIKE METAL, BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ME PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT IT. METAL SOLOISTS DO HAVE TALENT, AND I GIVE RESPECT WHERE ITS DUE.

[biscuit barrel]

You can compare punk and metal, just research the roots of thrash metal in the early 80's. Bay Area hardcore punk mixed with metal to make thrash. It has the aggressiveness and speed of harcore punk with the more technical playing of metal and long fast solo's. Both genre's rock and the whole idea/ongoing argument of genre pisses me off.

[runefan88]

lemme start out by saying that if it werent for the NYHC punk scene, metallica and the like would not have been as big as they were.

punk is/has/always will be better imo. ppl fighting each other over this issue is inevitable and tough to stop. im not sure this article quite captured the neutrality of the conflict enough to calm either side.

[mattkurucar]

I think there pretty much even. I like punk just a little more than metal though. Oh, and one more thing, some punk bands dont always play power chords. If you want solos in a punk band check out weezer.

[jolsen383]

the except pop and rap part of this article made me like it

[pepsi_home]

Jimi Hendrix isnt metal stupid. He plays sort of bluesy rock music. In my opinion, whoever says stuff they dont know about, shouldn say stuff. But i love THICE.

[Blackbullet]

^^^^^
Hendrix is hendrix, u kant confine him in a type of rock STOOPID!! he played psycadelic rock,blues,r'n'b(REAL R'n'B not ***ing monica or jamelia or wutever) jazz,classic rock and created his amzaing albums from all these and morr!! HENDRIX IS THE GREATEST GUITARIST OF ALL TIME!!!
As for tha article, it wuz ok- kno wut u mean bout people being put off my punk cos its stereotyped by many band who are NOT punk(blink,sum41 etc) personally i love metal and punk so...HA!

[MrLucky77713]

ok since the writer reveals his bias in the piece i cannot say its great work. Punk V Metal articles just inherently suck unless its simple two sided comparison that reveals no bias and invited the reader to explore both sides. If the writer decides to read this, i suggest that before he posts a genre battle it would be very wise to do research, reccomend defining songs of each genre.
Think of this, metal songwriters can't generally write a song with the emotion conveyed by say, Tom Delonge. Tommy there coould never play Crossraods Duel with that little stratocaster he's got. I think a good examination of each genre is IMPOSSIBLE. the two genres are EXTREMELY diverse. sorry mate, cheers to ya, but you chose an impossible topic

[Burn in hell]

Punk is more about your voice getting heard and getting your point through to the listener. The Dead Kennedys are a good example of this. You spent your entire "punk" defense explaining the difference between punk and pop-punk. You hardly scratched the surface.

And Hendrix and Zeplin are NOT METAL BANDS. You Crazy Nut!!

[strangled]

i love how be-back never has anything intellegent to say
but good article i agree with you about how metal and punk arnt comparable

[zakk_wylde4]

GO METAL!!!!

[wAnNabE47]

who really cares about this 'genre' sh*t....There both rad in there own way. So quit it with this classification bullsh*t

[pepsi_home]

The music gonna change whether you like it or not.

[xdespairfactor]

strangled:
i love how be-back never has anything intellegent to say

ha so true.

yeah i didnt like this article too much, found it a little pointless. good attempt though..

[MetallicaRoks]

punk isnt so good i dont really know what people get out of it, metal gets you pumped, while punk just makes you nothing, well at least those new punk bands don't

[BrandNewHero]

I'd probably have listened to you better. Except you claimed to be writing an unbiased article when you are so obviously biased.

[numnuts]

i dont see how people can pick an entire side and say that they only listen to metal and hate all punk or just the opposite, when i was about 11 i thought i only listened to metal, but i just couldnt not enjoy other kinds of music. if anyone says they only like one thing thats just what theyr telling themselves.my alltime favorite band is metallica, then second to it is the offspring.i love all kinds of music and anyone who says they only like one genre is just ignorant

[sum41]

i like both
people are too in to the whole idea of what they listen to and what they dont.
i like rap, pop, punk, rock...
n e one got problem with that?

[metallicahhut]

you cant compare metal to punk both have different aspects to them. i listen to both but metal is more of my thing. both have good aspects to them and both have bad but you take the good with the bad and try to sort it. people try to compare metallica to like rancid or something you cant they are really different. me being a metallica!!!! guy love more of the insane solos but also the heavy powercords from the kill em all days which are also somewhat found in punk. if you are more of a punk guy that wants to listen to metal listen to Metallica's Kill 'Em All album, youll find more punk kind of riffig mixed in.

[deadkenedy]

please no more punk columns

[nath_99]

You could argue that hendrix is kinda heavyrock/metal because the amount of distortion he applies to his playing!

[Klown]

didnt even bother to read, the genres are for pepole to explore alone.

[Slapkid]

Punk and metal rocks!

[Oswald]

Actually, "Hit the Lights" with Metallica, there first song, sounds abit like punk, but faster and MUCH better.

[KeviePie04]

both punk and metal have good bands, and both punk and metal have really bad bands. what you have to look at is how they both have influenced the spread of terrible genres, with punk, we got pop-punk, and with metal, we got nu-metal.i don't get why no one ever mentions that.

[metalneck]

Michael Bolton Rulz

[ncreep]

i think, they both have similar roots, kids that are pissed off and have to say something to say, they are both genres of rock, and they are(or were) a counter culture, except fot he ***ing pop-punk, i hate them...
anyways, they are both contributors to good music, i like both...

[BBND7]

just a stupid guy writing a bunch of bullshit

[bestofthebeast]

ahh
too short too shit and too bias
sorry but im gonna give it 1

[Metalguy]

i see it this way you got punk over here, and metal over there they have nothing in common whatsoever

[perfec_circl]

Geldof the Grey:
^meh. Although it was better than most, it's still another Punk/Metal article and most of us are sick of them by now

amen

[felixpotvin86]

its an endless discussion, and also punk is about being yourself, not forcing yourself to conform and if thats loving metal so be it, they both offer some great music, but everyone should buy the sex pistols filth and fury dvd, it could maybe end this possible debate!

[felixpotvin86]

actually rent it and make a vhs copy...

[scumfuc_69]

It doesn't matter if you do or don't like both, but
you're an asshole if you say someone can't like
both! Once again, everyone tryies to say punks can't play solos but has mierably failed to mention even
one band who didn't play solos which probably means
you just don't like punk, but can't up with a real and/or intelligent argument as to why.

It doesn't matter how simple or complex a song is,
just as long as it sounds good.

[Oswald]

BIG GREY ELEFANT DICKS!!!!

[fender rocker16]

wow you cant compare metal and punk and you cant compare bands. jeez they all make thier own music ans you cant say that one bands style id better than another cause everyone has their own taste. i guess punk singers do have a some talent because some of their songs do sound good. to say that punk guitarrists have talent is bullshit. anyone can go mute powerchords up on a stage and a singer with talent does not mean that the guitar is good too. some metal is the other way around. take metallica. the lyrics suck but the guitar rules. combine punk singers and metal guitarrists and that would be interesting...

[metallic_101]

Dont compare punk and metal - on the whole metal is much better but punk has a few good bands. also, you say we should have respect for all genres of music except pop and rap. i agreed about pop but rap is generaly awesome. lots of people can relate to it, theres a lot of meaningful lyrics and good beats in it, leave rap alone.

[pinkerton]

fight the cliche. Anything that epitomizes The cliche of a sertaint type of music should not be liked. Example : Good Charlette. They are the cliche. Example for metal : Spinal Tap. Yeah, i know they arent a real band, but its the best example. I think 10 years from now after the punk and emo trend dies down, only the best bands will remain, leading to much better music getting more respect.

[gryftorsguitar]

^doubt it

anyway i think that punk is better but thats just my opinion. im sure i just havent listend to enough metal or sumtin, but from what i hear i dont like it. and secondly WHO CARES!!!!people like what they like and the only reason people write these articals is to convert people to a different genre or sumtin, BUT U CANT! people just have to listen to music and discover for themselves what they like, so stop saying witch is better cause it looks pretty even to me

[harm0n20]

what is so bad about pop-punk????? it seems like now a days the songs that get played on the radio are about some guy thats really pissed at somebody. and if you think that punk doesnt have solos and that metal is faster then listen to NOFX. they have solos and i garuntee alot of their songs are faster than metallicas songs.

[harm0n20]

o yeah, blink-182 and NFG are SoCal punk bands, not pop-punk.
Also
good charlotte and simple plan shouldnt even be considered bands.

[nasty_santa409]

there are a few punk bands with solos. for instance, NOFX, Bad Religion, and that insane solo on dancing thru sunday by AFI. also, you don't know too much about metal and you say you only listen to it when you are tired of hearing power chords. well, black sabbath and metallica, just to name a few, used power chords whenever they weren't doing solos. think before u write

[MaggotCorpse]

i agree with the article, i like both punk and metal equally the same and i dont find that one is better or worse then the other.. they are both good in their own ways i guess..

[eXploZive]

I love both metal and punk

[PunxNotDead7688]

who the hell said punk doesnt have solos...... Aus Rotten, The Exploited ( just to name a few). I have nothing but respect for the TRUE metal artists (Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel) they're guitarists are just mind blowing. But Punk has more of a message to it, so i prefer Oi and German Street Punk.

[Punk lives on]

yeah i agree but there are decent punk solos like maxwell murders by Rancid! the base solo is imence!but i do love both metal and punk!

[Cakefighter]

Either way you look at it they're both rock you should hate the individual bands not the genres. I used to hate punk but when i looked into i found some pretty good bands

[Tibro]

Complete bullshit! he lost my respect as soon as he said:
'emo is good, however its getting more and more popular and becoming a trend'

what a prick, you liek the music you like *** anyone else.... if they like it good for them.. you DONT HATE A BAND BECAUSE THEY'RE POPULAR... WHAT A PRICK

[Rooster]

I think personally he has a point. You don't want a genre to become so popular that everytime you try to find something new to listen to you have to filter out all the crap. Personally, as a guitarist I enjoy playing metal songs more as I don't get so bored while playing. Also the fact that half the punk bands out there use the same chords in a similar fashion so it kind of takes away the fun from it. Don't get me wrong, I love punk, but more as a listener and singer. I find the way punk is sung flows easier on the ears than alot of metal singing. Now before anyone says a bunch of crap... this is only my opinion and I'm not trashing either one. In the end, music is music. It's either good or bad. I mean personally I hate ACDC... can't stand them... oh and metallica (but I love their guitar riffs). I also hate AFI, Good charlotte, and any other "punk" band that plays that crap. I mean what happened to singing about zombies and the undead? MISFITS RULE!! I hate you all

[Rooster]

"No one likes an asshole in forums stating some band rules over all metal/punk bands."

I guess I'm one of those assholes.

[Anarchy101]

ok you punk sonsabitches all of you are gay and you can go to hell you stupid basturdes!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anarchy101]

ROOSTER the misfits do not have near the talent that AC/DC has so shut the *** up!!!!!!!!!! BITCH

[Anarchy101]

oh and good cHARLOTE SUCKS...PERIOD

[GuiTarPlaYnPunK]

I listen to punk mainly, but i like metal too..is that a problem? also many punk bands do have solos. and anarchy thanks for the remark..i'll see u in hell . o and yeah good charlotte does suck.

[GuiTarPlaYnPunK]

anarchy needs an attitude adjustment.

[deftones17]

to sette the damn pandemonium, i'll just tell all of you what to think:
punk only ppl: shut the hell up and be a lil bit more open minded- metal can be good too, even if you don't like the long hair, screaming solos, are super fast riffs. just coz its not made entirely of power chords doesn't mean u can't just shut the hell up and listen.
metal only ppl: shut da hell up too. Punk is a light variation of metal in most cases. Sure it usually lacks the great solos and awesomely badass guitar riffs, but most of the time punk can stir some crazy emotion, and it can be a more effective way of political, musical, and social influence. There are way too many great punk bands from the 60 70 and 80's to be doggin on them now, even in this time of great injustice (blink, GC, NFG, etc.).. Be a Real Man, and don't bash other punk efforts.. Even if they are a bunch of pussies with guitars who just learned what Dadd9 was, give em a break.
FOR THOSE WHO LIKE BOTH METAL AND PUNK or ARE COOL ENOUGH TO LET THE OTHER SAVAGES ARGUE ABOUT IT: good for you. This lets us all know who really has a x-large size of balls and who really know what the music is about. CHEERS TO YOU MATES!
that is all. check out my goddamn tabs and leave me a comment!

[vadgemoore]

punk and metal both suck balls, go listen to nebula or kyuss now that is ***ing music bithes.

[SickGirl]

labels r for soup cans not music so all of u need to shut the f*ck up

[SickGirl]

music is music so just get over it

[XNiRvAnAX]

all you people abusing punk dumb your only doing it because of pop punk crap like good charlotte and blink 182 etc havent you ever listened to th sex pistols or the rammones

[xgirlsetsfirex]

i love how people exploit the genra punk...for 1 you cant go around saying "punk sucks" if you've only listend to that crap on MTV..2 punk rock has influenced a lot of metal bands..so in a way, if you say PUNK SUCKS! your a hypocrite..you may not buy the records and what not, but you cant say its horrible..and what do you mean people dont get anything out of it? Punk bands usualy use their music to get a message across..for example the punk voter tour..seeing as its election year, they used their music to open people's eye's so to speak..and whenever i crank up a blitz cd or a dead kennedys cd i always get pumped up..doesnt make you feel like nothing MetallicaRoks....geesh! SPIKEY HAIRD DRUNK PUNX!! NEVER CHANGE OUR WAYS!!!!!The Casualties

[Viscosity]

personally i prefer punk.....(i know its late but do i care)

[Ralph]

i don't hate bands because they're popular (although it's pretty irritating) but I do tend to hate bands who try to be popular by changing their sound/image whatever just to sell more.

[Pantera_fan]

some good points raised through the article like the power chords thing ,i used to think all punk was that s**t till my mate introduced me to rancid and pennywise ect.....and they are what punk is really about ,politics life and loads of other stuff

[IadultswimI]

this is boring

[SickGirl]

why do yall always have to go and label bands!? like for example good charlotte is actually a really good band. it doesnt matter what kind of music it is, just listen to it. i mean if u have never listened to metallica or even heard of them and someone says "they are pop-punk or w/e" u would probably say"oh pop-punk? i hate metallica, they suck" QUIT LABELING BANDS!!! DOES IT REALLY MATTER?!!!!! GET OVER YOURSELVES!!it doesnt matter wat kind of music they are. you cant say they suck b/c they arent heavy. holy crap music is music get in your big heads!!!

[SickGirl]

harm0n20:
o yeah, blink-182 and NFG are SoCal punk bands, not pop-punk.
Also
good charlotte and simple plan shouldnt even be considered bands.


haha ignorant loser.
good charlotte sounds practically the same as blink 182 and NFG. i know simple plan doesnt but hello have you ever even listened to good charlotte? maybe you have your own little problems like maybe ur little garage band isnt doing good and you see good charlotte doing awesome on their new record. thats no reason to hate them.

[metallicafan180]

^ you really need to shut the f*ck up. your so paranoid. everytime someone says something bad about "good charolette" you have to mouth off to them like this. at least the dude's in a band. your probably just jealous of all of us because we're better than your stupid band full of poseurs. that is if your a even in a band. just because your obssesed with good charolette doesn't mean you have to be such an asshole to people who aren't. seems to me like you have your head up your ass, BIGTIME! get a life bitch!

[metallicafan180]

to answer the question, i perfer metal over punk.

[diablo83]

the thing that frustrates me is that metal head look down on punk because of the lack of soloing. One thing i wanna get across, Death By Stereo is a very talented hardcore band who uses power chords, fast drum beats, and some of the most complex solos in the punk world. AFI, their growth musically has been so impressive that it amazes me how they started off as kids and 3 chord progressions then finally to their newest albums using complex soloing and bar chords. Punk has evolved musically over the years. Another band, Rancid, probably one of the best punk bands ever use soloing as well. It just makes me mad how people use such stereotypical criticism with punk. I like metal a lot, i listened to it when i was a little kid. People just need to open their minds and not judge the music so much just because of what they heard.

[SickGirl]

hey i dont hate every person that doesnt like good charlotte. its just stupid to hate a band for no reason other than saying they are sell outs or they are not punk. just think. if some people start bashing on metallica b/c they say they are sellouts and crap, you would probably get pissed off. asshole.

[rancidrocker]

eh well i like The clash and Iron Maiden.So i never really had a problem will the punk/metal battles.

[<_<_>_>]

metal isnt completely screaming, look at all the crap punk bands today that scream senselessly only death metal is screaming music but who wants to listen to that crap

[Hammet15]

FUCK PUNK, LONG LIVE TRUE METAL!

[P_Gilbertrules]

Metal= The amazing ability to PLAY THEIR INSTRUMENTS.
Punk= The amazing ability to whine(and or bitch)/scream/mutilate "music"

Yes. This is an unfair generalization. Some punk band are VERY talented. Most of them are dead. Some metal bands suck. They will most likely be killed by their fans, for sucking. And not shreding. Or for being "nu metal" which, 90% of the time, sucks.
And to Diablo83.... I liked AFI... untill their new album..... which blew.
Rancid I do like. And I generally don't like punk. But a few bands I do like. It's not that I hate or even dislike the style. It's just that most of what I've heard of any recent punk, I haven't liked. The same with Metal though. It's all "nu metal" now. Once again, I don't hate the style, I hate all of that style that I have HEARD. I've tried listening to plenty of it... and still don't get why it's loved all over. Oh well, each to his own. I will continue living as though it's the 80's....sigh.....

[IllegalMOFO]

Fuck you all.......im a metalhead. The local metalheads and punks here don't really give a ***. We always play gigs together. I preffer metal, just because it gives me more of the agression and brutality. But hey if you like punk better, have a beer on me, man.

[IllegalMOFO]

ur all gay............im a metalhead. the local metalheads and punks here don't give a ***. we always play gigs together. i preffer metal cuz it gives me more agression and sheer brutality. but hey, you love punk? have a beer on me, man.

[IllegalMOFO]

man i laugh at myself. i posted the same shit twice, cuz there is something ***ed up with me.

[greendaynaz87]

lol i like "illegalmofo" s views and i think the same apart frm that i prefer punk...as for the artical i think it was well written with BOTh sides of the story! u get an A+

[IgnoreThis]

Your right, pop punk CAN suck, but it can be....well...okay. 70s punk, especially iggy (with and without the stooges) is brilliant, but out of it all, my favourite types of music are classic rock and hair metal over anything else, although i respect most types of music that arent pop/RnB.

[xXPuremetaLXx]

F*** punk i hate that s*** i can't believe ne1 would wanna listen 2 it.. Its all bout the metal...Death Metal will sumday rule the world...hahaha

[Bulletbass man]

oh really death metal can rule the world listen to the stooges, sex pistols, Mudhoney, Husker Du, and the only good popish punk is Nirvana

[oppressor]

To: xXPuremetalLXx

Death Metal sucks balls their's always a faggot ass singer who sounds like your damn annoying neighbor dog who can't stop barking for no ***ing reason. Long live Thrash Metal bitches.Ha!Ha!Ha!

[ebashnitzil]

punk will always be simple, stupid, unoriginal, and completely assininic

and a lot of Metal sucks to

but there is a lot of true Metal that is good, infact outstanding - ok so you dont like the screaming?? but you can still say that it is unbelievably talented (depends on the band and the musicians)

im still yet to find a half decend punk band (and Ska doesn't count - Ska is talented...and original, but as long as it's Good ska - not cheap as punk posers with a trumpet)

[Punk lives on]

good call mate!

[pyrofreak]

dude punk and metal both kick ass..all in allits just rock in roll

[in_flames_001]

I used to be a huge punk fan, listened to Bad Religion, NOFX, Rancid, the clash, (and I'm asamed to say, but at one point...Blink-182) all that stuff....then I realized it was boring. I pretty much could play guitar better than all these guys. thats when I turned to metal. It came on slowly, but i eventually became a huge metalhead, its pretty much all I listen to now, aside from the occasional dose of blues.

[ibanez666]

metal is the way to go but there is some punk. not much though.

[bimsterfls]

Punk is gay!!

[reallypinkbits]

metals the s hit and punk is is just s hit

[metOLIca]

Just ask yourself if there is actually a punk riff you can remember or is it just a generic power chord assortment. Metal is the more talented but it is down to personal taste so there will never be a winner to this neverending arguement. but i do beleive there will be a soon and abrupt ending to this emo movement, i really hope its just a phase

[Lord Hypnos]

I hate all this emo punk shit, Metal is by far more complex, and talented, and of course sounds way better in my opinion.

[GuitaPlaya]

punk kicks metals ass period

[will_clip]

Im tired of punks and metalheads arguing. Im a punker/emo kid myself, but metal music rocks i can admit. We need to join together against our common enemies (i.e. rap and pop).
And quit saying metal is more complex until you've heard some of the underground stuff. You're just going off of what you've heard from the posers at ur school or from friends like yellowcard or blink 182 etc.
Metal is almost always more complex in its soloing-granted. But until you've heard some emo-punk chord progressions played underneath of some complex melodic solos dont hate

[#1Angusfan]

first off, METAL RULES

second, punk and metal arent really that much alike. i admit that i hold to the belief that the Sex Pistols and The Clash were the only real punk bands, because they lived the punk lifestyle. today it seems that if you want to be a punk, get a few tatoos on your arms, put a winter cap on, hop up and down and your a punk. now, SID VICIOUS, there was a real punk. ya ever hear about the time a guy confronted him in a restaurant, and sid pulled out a knife, cut his palm, let the blood drip out onto his steak, and then continued eating? Or about how he sometimes would get onstage with a bass with 3 of the 4 strings broken and play the wrong song? or about how all the heroin in his system caused him to "lose his bowels" all over a groupie while she was givin him head? THAT IS A FRIGGIN PUNK! i guess my point here is that punk is part music, part lifestyle. anyway, i love metal and the old punk, dont like the new stuff, but overall, rock is rock, love it or leave it.

heres a crazy idea, how bout we all do something about this and not sit here and bitch? every time i get on here theres around 800 people on the site, and most of them seem to hate new stuff and love the old stuff, if ya dont like todays stuff, make your own, revolutionize the ***in world.

FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, I SALUTE YOU

[YeagARoKkA]

first of all punk is no talent piece of shit and i hate it and all the bands are all homoes second of all metal is the best shit ever more talented but doesnt get the respect it deserves a lot of the times.....FUCK PUNK

[will_clip]

Wow. May god have mercy on your soul for that. I actually feel sorry for you guys. Honestly.

[Antidark]

Punk sucks. Metal rulez.

[kurt_was_killed]

i love both of them. my band plays kinda like nirvana, but cleaner and faster. we call our style grunkel-ock (grunge punk metal rock). ***ing people, just listen to state of the union by rise against. there's some heavy assed punk for you. or you could be like my band and solo every few songs. metal and punk both kick ass.

[Punk as atticus]

hell, i love both and when i get a band going, we're going to be known for our punk-metal fusion, and blink isn't that bad, there new album sux but there old stuff inspired me to play and now more and more bands are inspiring to get me better. blink doesn't play all powerchords, the do a shitload of riffs. you are thinking of green day and they do suck.

[moobear666]

whats all this about complexity? go listen to a metallica riff then go listen to a funeral for a friend riff, which one is more complex, (hint the answer should be ffaf)see just because the punks dont solo like mofos dont mean that they cant

[GuitarDudeWill]

I like all genres of rock.
I dont like all the bands, but each genre has some good bands.

But i dont like country, rap, or pop.

[Punk as atticus]

^ ya same for me i tend to want the band to sound good but if their guitarist is too simple its hard for me to listen to unless the lyrics keep me in you know? :cheers: i only listen to certain metal i like british heavy metal, thrash metal, hair metal, and heavy metal (like bls i don't really know what to classify them.) i can't stand to listen to a lot of minor key stuff with lots of sharps, screaming, satanism, raw vocals, and just dark music. to me it just isn't human. i like old school metal when metal was still new. from led zeppelin to black label society. bls is new but they keep it real.

[GnRrelease_it]

long live 80s hair metal
random thought: the ramones kick ass.

[moomin]

the best punk bands are, and will always be, the old ones like clash and sex pistols and the same thing with metal, to the old ones is counted Maiden and other 80s bands

[MetalheadGuy]

whats all this about complexity? go listen to a metallica riff then go listen to a funeral for a friend riff, which one is more complex, (hint the answer should be ffaf)see just because the punks dont solo like mofos dont mean that they cant

Then go listen to ***ing Cryptopsy

metal isnt completely screaming, look at all the crap punk bands today that scream senselessly only death metal is screaming music but who wants to listen to that crap

Black metal? Grindcore?

guess punk singers do have a some talent because some of their songs do sound good. to say that punk guitarrists have talent is bullshit. anyone can go mute powerchords up on a stage and a singer with talent does not mean that the guitar is good too. some metal is the other way around. take metallica. the lyrics suck but the guitar rules.

Saying metal singers can't sing is like saying Bob Marley makes techno - Just check out Lost Horizon or Nightwish (and I wouldn't say punk guitarists can't play, it the type of music)

what is so bad about pop-punk???.. it seems like now a days the songs that get played on the radio are about some guy thats really pissed at somebody. and if you think that punk doesnt have solos and that metal is faster then listen to NOFX. they have solos and i garuntee alot of their songs are faster than metallicas songs.

Really? Listen to Rotten Sound or maybe Nile.
To end this comment, I definitely prefer metal but have no problem whatsoever with punk.
IllegalMOFO is probably the one person I agree the most with.

[AneurysmARG]

HI PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH:

Here in Argentina, the classic fight is not PUNK VS. METAL, is PUNK VS. ROCK N' ROLL, here, we tend to take more european tendences, than north american tendences.

The real european punk fight was between them and hippies. What does connect hippies with rock n' roll?

mhh everything? LOL, rock n' roll and hippism (is that correct?) was like BREAD AND BUTTER (thx forrest!)in the 60's and the 70's. In my country punks vs. rock and roll is a classic here we have 2 bands of reference:
rock n roll--> "patricio rey y sus redonditos de ricota"

punk---> "Flema"

punks hey rock n roll because of no reason
rock n roll hates punk because punk hates him

LOL is very funny and u would probably ask..AND WHAT ABOUT METAL GUYS? well people who tend to wear dark clothes or listen to great metal bands such us megadeth, metallica, dream thater they hate BOTH, they think that rock n rol here is TOO SIMPLE, and all the time talking about drugs, they think that the "un-distorted" of rock n roll is disguting. And they hate punk too because punk is too simple, and the lyrics sucks, and they scream all the time.
Metal here is like LIVING ALONE--> u hate all genres except the 1000.. kinds of metal (metal, symphonic metal, progresive metal etc.etc.)

well thats it
and i want to say as a nirvana fan, that simple power chords or 3 min songs, or a song without a solo may be as good as an 69 min song, with a very complex 8 min solo, and fast played chords...and remember TECNICALLY is easy to play a song with DROP-D tunning (megadeth does and system of a down and many metal bands) than a Eb or E tunning.

CYA (this post should be an article)

[AneurysmARG]

Other thing..MEGADETH--> ANARCHY IN THE U.K (Sex Pistols)
what was that?? metal vs. punk?

METALLICA--> DIE DIE MY DARLING (The Misfits)

METAL VS. PUNK?? MH...if u really like megadeth or metallica you shouldn't hate punk this fight is useless
the real fights are like these:

punk vs. hippies/rock and roll
punk loves reggae
metal loves complex bands such us zeppelin
metal hates simple bands (nirvana, rolling stones, ramones)
rock and roll also loves reggae
reggae loves every genre!
ALL GENRES--> HATES RAP AND POP
we should get together and fight against these 2! they are anoying! cammon!! we shjould *** these 2!
I HATE INSTRUMENT-LESS MUSIC
and if u don't agree with me to get together and fight pop and rap, lets go back to the old times and listen to good clasical music like Mozart, Wagner and Beethoven.

[MadMetalManiac]

Most people that hate punk are usually posers who like crappy Nu-Metal bands that have only heard of one song by Metallica ahem Master of Puppets, and think Blink 182 is the only punk band in the world. I happen to like punk, but real punk bands such as the Dead Kennedys, The Misfits, and GBH just to name a few. And for the guy on top of me metal doesn't hate punk check out my cool name I like punk and the Ramones. One other thing Motorhead wrote a song about the Ramones but for Nirvana they could go to hell.

[crazygluedmybut]

very good analysis. but i dont think you can compare them. they have different sounds.

[hattrick6]

Hey madmetalmaniac don't say that metal doesn't hate punk because this article wouldn't exist.
I like them both equally, it just depends on what kind of mood i'm in.
Today i listened to long way back from hell by danzig.
Maybe on halloween i will listen to halloween by the misfits.
Maybe glenn danzig just kicks ass

[hattrick6]

Hey madmetalmaniac don't say that metal doesn't hate punk or vice versa. Otherwise this article wouldn't have been written.
I personally prefer both of them equally, it just depends on what kind of mood i'm in at the time.
Today i listened to long way back from hell by danzig.
Maybe on halloween i will enjoy halloween by the misfits.
Maybe glenn danzig just kicks ass.

[a7xkills]

Lets agree on a happy medium aka Avenged Sevenfold (walking the fallen check it out)

[Maggot penis]

PLEASE NO MORE PUNK VERSES METAL COLUMN> THEIR BOTH GOOD AND INFLUENCE EACH OTHER

[rattlehead999]

this is prolly the first good column ive read here and i give props to the guy. im a big fan of both metal and punk. i listen to the clash and the dead kennedys alot, as well as megadeth and slayer. metal influenced a lot of punk, punk influenced a lot of metal. metal guitarists are often more talented than punk guitarists, but that is simply because metal requires more complicated playing. if any good punk guitarist started learning to play metal, im sure they could figure it out after a while. so how about everyone just stop comparing these two bands and be happy with what they like? if your a metalhead, then you should know that dave mustaine has specifically acknowledged the influence of punk on his playing, and if your a fan of punk, you should know that bands like motorhead have influence a ton of punk bands out there.

[#1Maiden_Fan]

well, it is true metal guitarrist are a lot more talented than punk guitarrists, but thers also rock n roll guitarrist, such as jimmy page, who also kicked as and were fast. but anyways, punk doesnt nessesarily suck, it is true that they are mostly hated due to those crappy modern mall bands that little immature teens listen to, its all comercial music. thers also metal that sucks in my opinion, such as korn, biskit and system of a down, in fact theya re nu metal, and nu metal is not metal, it has nothing to do with metal, its jsut a name. anyways to whomever said to look for a band with solos to listen to weezer, true weezer does have solos, but come on, they are so unoriginal, in my opiniuon the best solos ever are the one on stairway to heaven and in eruption, they were both godanm original and good, but as i said, u cant possibly compare a weezer solo to lets say a maiden, metallica, hendrix, priest, ....etc solo, metal will always be more complex, and lol, rattlehead u pretty much named 2 metal bands, megadeth and motorhead to aknowledge punk, and besides some punk is good, such as the first maiden albums with paul diano (however u spell that last name) he had a punk groove going on, but it was good with those amazin solos, hehe, by the way, IRON MAIDEN ROCKS, EVERYONE SHOULD PRAISE IRON MAIDEN AND LISTEN TO THEM \m/

[rzz]

THE DEFINITION OF "TRUE METAL":
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80's retard cookie monster bands like Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Anal, and Gaypalm Death are NOT "True Metal".

Neither are the "new and improved for the 90's" wave of Cookie Monster Death bands like Opeth (Sucketh), Nile, In Flames, and Cryptopsy (Shitopsy).
The proper scientific classification for all those bands is "Boring, Shitty, Cookie Monster Death Crap". Cookie monster vocals belong on Sesame Street.


TRUE METAL is any band that sounds more or less along the lines of early Metallica or Iron Maiden.

[MetallicaNRoses]

i like both

[foxboxes]

I completely agree about metal and what narrow-minded people think about it. I love metal but basically all my friends hate it and say that its just randomly playing notes on a guitar, hitting drums and screaming. They should read this

[rawmeat]

all sucks. britney is the goddest...

[memcliffburton]

y dont u use real punk bands,not blink 182 and simple plan,how bout like misfits or somehting,and for metal use real metal bands 2,metallica is a real metal band,iron maiden,judas priest,use actual bands not classic rock and wanna be punk bands.im a metal head but use better bands to back both genres up

[Nickleback1192]

I hate metal and love Punk

[pagan_bloodlust]

i have gone from likeing blink 182 to liking nu-metal then onto hair metal and glam rock back to classic rock, then dabbled in the classic 70's punk scene then to thrash metal and power metal then to death and then onto black metal and back to death so on that note they each have qualities but i say that only older and un trendy punk have any musical standing but metal is about musicianship as much as it is about the message

[pagan_bloodlust]

rzz :
THE DEFINITION OF "TRUE METAL":
-----
80's retard cookie monster bands like Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Anal, and Gaypalm Death are NOT "True Metal".

Neither are the "new and improved for the 90's" wave of Cookie Monster Death bands like Opeth (Sucketh), Nile, In Flames, and Cryptopsy (Shitopsy).
The proper scientific classification for all those bands is "Boring, Shitty, Cookie Monster Death Crap". Cookie monster vocals belong on Sesame Street.


TRUE METAL is any band that sounds more or less along the lines of early Metallica or Iron Maiden.

Man you are seriously a **** head, you have just placed about 6 diffent sub genres in the on catorgory, morbid angel is nothing like opeth which is nothing like in flames which are nothing like cannble corpse
oh and i hope you know iron maiden are now progressive rock not, nor were they ever Metal, at the start they were brittish steel and comparing thrash metal to death is like comparing a ****ing pie to a pile of dogshit they are completely different in music structure

[pagan_bloodlust]

another thing i hate is those weak pussies that try to say stop labeling bands, if there wasnt different genres then youd be like did u hear that new song on the radio,
oh which one,
that one with those guitars that did that thing with the strings,
oh yeh that was kool,


see stupid
also saying that death metal growls suk and thrash rules is a stupid thing to say because a lot of thrash bands actually have vocals bordering on "cookie monstering" and if tried to play death with bruce dickinson singing it would be utter chaotic shit so shut up about growls it suites the style of music

[sidney7777]

Punk is better because of how retarded most metal sounds now. Stupid Cookie monster muppet vocals really do suit Death Metal. But the sounds of a rhino's anus taking a sh!t would also blend perfectly with Death Metal and could be used as Death Metal vocals. Retarded vocals suit retarded music

[doug loven]

metal is better because you dont have to add a retarded piano or synth noises to make a GOOD song
(and just listen to the guitar if u dont like the cookie monster singing)

[electricwizard_]

well to me metal is the only music in the world. anything else, pop rap punk etc etc etc is NOT MUSIC AT ALL. yea i'm THAT narrow minded, and i'm FUCKING proud of it. so stop these "genre vs genre" articles, coz there is no other genre of music other than metal.
Peace. \m/

[venom258]

see heres the thing with this so called shit called "punk" or as i call it "rockish pop" bands like "good charlotte" and "simple plan" that make me want to put a ****ing bullet in my head everytime i see them on mtv or that gay stuff. but see metal is the only last way to rebel to the man and punk isnt rebling its "i stole my mom's mini van and went to dary queen with my four friend that i think are gay and look at girls that you won't even talk to!!!" rebeling is like "that police car was just sitting there so i slashed its tires" or "this guy that listenins to punk looked at me funny so i punched him in the nose and he cryed" metal is one way of saying "if you don't like me **** you" while punk is "you don't like me so im gonna go home and cry"

[Death2pop666]

You can compare metal and punk if you know what your talking about and know your history. Ask guys in metal like Lemmy from Motorhead and The guys from Metallica if they were influenced by punk bands of the past, or even Randy from Lamb Of God. Both These genres are influenced by by the blues in many areas, and are motivated by things that make you angry like the government or people that simplypiss you off. they are both fueled by anger and aggression and have a dont give a **** attitude. But most important they are misunderstood by the public at large. People think matel is a bunch of sweaty guys yelling and worshiping the devil, but metal goes so much deeper than that and doesn't deserve to be stereotyped like that. Punk is seen as a bunch of weird looking people who play simple 3 chord songs, and yet again, to the people who love it like I do, it goes so much deeper and means so much more to people. Ive seen just this year bands such as slayer, trivium,lambofGod,Inflame
s and Cannibal Corpse. I have also seen rancid the bouncing souls and less than jake(although they are more of a ska band). If you know what ur talkin about you can compare the 2

[wyvernfire]

Lol and besides all this, the vocals are completely opposite too.

[Guitargod12345]

Let me tell you something about punk, Punk is just the music Modern day television tries to replace real rock(A.K.A. Real music).

Metal is often put down just because of its more mainstream conterparts talentless NU METAL. When you listen to alot of the other genres of metal such as thrash and NWOBM you realize that one the guitarist are better, in many cases, have better singers, better drummers, better base players, Better songs. The real Metal Bands (example: Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Death, Metallica, Judas Priest, and Pantera.) are the things that are better than punk. People go through stereotypes, the stereotypes for punk music in most cases are true, the stereotypes for metal are never really true.

[Clover]

I agree with you a thousand percent Guitargod. The same applies to Nu Punk rock also. There is no way in hell I'll ever be able to accept bands like Green Day and Rancid as punk bands. I would give them the dinstinct label of MTV punk bands. The Suicidal Tendancies is the band that made the biggest cross-over from punk to thrash metal in my opinion with the album, Join the Army.

[doug loven]

FUCK ALL EMO, PUNK SHIT BANDS

[veepirate]

1) it takes alot ofelements to make a decent metal song, punk does not 2) punk was invented by people whom just wanted to have fun on stage without using to much time to devlop the skills to be accepted in the metal community, in a way punk is metal's bastard child with laziness 3) thus thrash is a child concived of drunken incest with punk and metal, in conclusion take a good punk band and a good metal, and technical superiorty favours metal. EAT ME!!! metal shall rise again in its, third or fourth coming,or maybe fifth i dunno....

[turquila]

punk and metal are heavily sterotyped because of mainstrean crap like korn,system of a down,simple plan, good charlotte and so on, if you really want to judge real PUNK or real METAL, check out these bands.
PUNK : Rudimentary Peni, Ramones,Dead Kennedys, Eskorbuto, Bad Brains,The Misfits, Minor Threat, etc. METAL: Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Venom, Kreator, Death,Tank, Exodus,Dark Angel etc, i can't decide, i love both genres

[rockingamer2]

G-Rock wrote:

no comparison between punk and metal...They're polar from eachother, one not usually having solos and the other usually depending on them. It just matters on your anger level, I believe.

hey, every heard of crossover, y'know, punk and metal??
you got the right idea turquila! Rock on!

[STABxYOU]

If you want some fairly technical punk, check out some Propagandhi.

[Metallica_fan21]

you're pretty much on the spot. Ive never understood the void between punk and metal, completely different genre of music, it all comes down to people's taste.

[Ad12ian]

veepirate

[b]Oh god, when I believed things started to calm down another "mine is better and your's suck .Point" guy appears and throw away the 3 hours that the author took to write this.

I can´t beleive that there still are people with a very, very closed mind.

Punk is not 'bout lazy guys with a drug problem, and Metal isn't about Satanic screamers.
The both genres have their good things and bad things.

Note: Each genre was invented by people and WAKE UP!!! We humans aren't [b]Perfect

So stop blaming the other genre and start seeing it as another point of view of MILLIONS of PEOPLE

[Ad12ian]

And that goes to doug loven and all the closed minded!!!!!

[wildchild6660]

Ad12ian wrote:

veepirate
[b]Oh god, when I believed things started to calm down another "mine is better and your's suck .Point" guy appears and throw away the 3 hours that the author took to write this.

I can´t beleive that there still are people with a very, very closed mind.

Punk is not 'bout lazy guys with a drug problem, and Metal isn't about Satanic screamers.
The both genres have their good things and bad things.

Note: Each genre was invented by people and WAKE UP!!! We humans aren't [b]Perfect

So stop blaming the other genre and start seeing it as another point of view of MILLIONS of PEOPLE

I agree 100%, dude. its stupid to have this argument all the time. Punk and metal are both awesome.

[wildchild6660]

rockingamer2 wrote:

G-Rock wrote:

no comparison between punk and metal...They're polar from eachother, one not usually having solos and the other usually depending on them. It just matters on your anger level, I believe.
hey, every heard of crossover, y'know, punk and metal??
you got the right idea turquila! Rock on!

Motorhead was hardcore and punk influenced, and so were a lot of thrash metal band (And not to mention Metalcore). Obviously they saw something good in punk rock.

[jplujanac]

I disagree (sort of). It's not that the two can't be compared because they're polar opposites: they can't be compared because they've been intertwined since the start!
Heavy Metal - Started (arguably) by Black Sabbath. It was a slow, "heavy", hybrid of Blues, and Psychedelic Rock. Became "Thrash Metal", "Speed Metal", etc, when bands began including harsher, faster, punk influences.
Punk Rock - Started (arguably) in the late 60'-mid 70's by various bands. It was (for its time) a fast, somewhat aggressive mix of 50's greaser-rock, Ska/Reggae, and Psychedelic rock. Starting in the late 70's, bands like The Exploited, Amebix, Nausea, Hellbastard, etc., began incorporating the "heavier" sounds of the more popular "heavy metal" genre; resulting in "Crust Punk", "Crossover Thrash", "Powerviolence", and "grindcore".
Grindcore - Originally started by PUNK bands like Napalm Death, it has now become one of the most definitively influential METAL genres.

[Decay153]

!
I'm offended by how you insult pop punk and then praise emo directly after! What the hell!?

I like a lot of the stuff around punk; Including Hardcore, Political, Ska, Alternative, and Pop Punk; but Emo is just downright lame.

Most of the time I wouldn't bother explaining why I don't like emo; but I will now.
Punk was a movement against the 'Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll' ethic of metal. It was a message for change; the music and the culture was inspiring; it was a revolt against the usual.
Emo took that and watered it down. It halted the inspiration and desire for change that punk was notable for. There is no aspiration; it glorifies wallowing in your own sorrow rather than taking action.

[wildchild6660]

This gos out to all the metal fanatics that talk crap about punk bands. If the only reason you guys listen to metal is for the sole reason that its technical difficult, then shame on you. Thats a stupid reason to like a band.

[AlienMetalhead]

Why can't you just like both? Motorhead are punk inspired, so are most metal bands from the early 80's. Some iron maiden tracks differ very little to bands like the ramones and the clash. I admit sometimes the metal bands seem to have more technical solos ect, but the whole idea of punk is not to give a **** what people think. So comparing the two is wrong coz they both have different imagery.

[Triviumtaber]

Metal is better it takes a shit more talent ,skill and time than punk ever will.
If you disagree listen to pull harder on the strings of your martyr by trivium(i have it on my profile).

[surya22]

Metal. Some punk is good (like the Ramones) but I prefer metal bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest.

[Vivec]

Metal -> Progressive Metal -> Dream Theater
game over