Why Punk?

Alright, man here goes nothing. So we have a Genre, been around since the Late 70's. We call it 'Punk'. I hear all these songs and have all these people calling themselves punks. I'm good with calling you people 'tards. No problem there buddy walk around with your spikes and orange mowhawk, you think you're badass I think you're stupid.

What respect I used to have for punk I've lost it all since old bands sold out and new bands degrade into garbage... I bet the majority of you punks can't name one band who hasn't sold out... Why do I say that? Because they probably had to sell out for you to hear about them.

Okay so far I've come to this understanding. Punk is slower metal minus the guitar solos, switching the growling snarling ballsy vocalist with a prepubecent teenybopper (at least nowadays thats about all of them).

I play guitar and bass, as well as sing. I'm a well rounded musician and I listen to a little bit of everything (even some punk, every now and then) and as far as I can figure, punk music has taken everything good and meaningful from music, and thrown it away. They have no guitar solos, no bass solos and usually no meaning to the lyics. We all know some punk bands are against cooperate america and the like, and thats bullshit, trendy garbage. Whatever, past that point.

What kind of feeling am I supposed to get from punk? Most of the lyrics are horrible and pointless. The guitars drone on and on for a pitiful three or four minutes, the drummers are nothing spectacular. Its like I said before, slowed down metal minus the solos and a different vocal style. It doesn't give me any sort of feeling at all. I don't feel energetic, I dont want to f@ck the system. I don't want to jump around and It doesn't mellow me out. I don't gain anything from this music besides a headache and/or earache. Its like noise pollution.

With Jimi Hendrix you've got a bluesy feel. Its both calm and powerful at the same time. He can make his guitar sing for him. With Led Zeppelin, Plant belts out his vocal tracks as if his life depended on it, you can feel every bit of meaning in every one of his words. When I listen to Metallica I can feel the agression and the power behind the music, I can hear James grunting or singing every bit of his always meaningful lyrics. When I listen to Pink Floyd I hear the technical excellence and deep hidden meanings in their lyrics. Everything I listen to has a meaning... The biggest point of this article is not that, however, its that the song is properly composed and executed to show that meaning by the band, however deep it may be, whatever emotions it may show, whatever feeling it might give. The band is able to pull it right out of you as if it had a giant-sized handle of some sort.

I find punk music is very lacking in this department... I don't see a meaning in the often repetitive lyrics, there is no feel to the guitar that isn't better found elsewhere, Punk isn't the music it's the culture. Punk's culture died when Regan went out of office, don't give me that. People are kicking as much of a dead horse with punk music as I am with this poorly-written article.

As to why I'm ranting about this. Among the most important reasons: my girlfriend is a die-hard trendy punk fan and I'm interested to really know how you punks tick. Because it's way over my head. Other than that I'm just tired of seeing punks walking around and getting blank looks when I ask them the question "why punk" then listening to them rant a bunch of buzz-words in an attempt to give me a single good reason. I can't find one, and I don't think anyone else can find a good one either.

Comments

[towelman]

Listen to Billy Talent. The singer is not great but listen to the riffs! Awesome punk band today.

[bigmattbrown]

Im staring to get sick of this narrow minded mentality. If i was to write an article about all these so called metalheads that i see walking around who wear iron maiden and motorhead and metallica shirts, and then name number of the beast and ace of spades and enter sandman as their favourite songs because theyre the only songs they've heard of, id get flamed to a crisp. So i wont write about that.

Dont judge the whole by your perceptions. The only Americans ive ever met were fat, smelly, and obnoxious. If i was to judge all Americans by thos perception, then id be wondering how the country managed to stay afloat without the weight of the population sinking it. You wouldnt need to plug the hole in the the ozone layer because youd be protected by a layer of sweat stench clouds (they smelled BAD). But i know not to judge all Americans by the ones that ive met, because that gives you a stilted view. If you dont like these people, then dont talk to them, and to be honest im surprised your die-hard trendy punk fan girlfriend is still your girlfriend, or doesnt she know your opinion of her? Just accept that not everyone has your viewpoint and move on, your life will be a lot easier.

[Oswald]

Punk is not slower METAL!!!!
It is rock!!!
It is simplified ROCK!!!!

[ShoeLaces907]

Dude, if you're into Zepplin, Hendrix, Floyd, and Metallica, you're probably not going to like punk very much unless you have a really open mind.

Uh huh...punk is slower metal? NO. Ever known Led Zepplin to be faster than The Ramones? I don't think so.


I agree that punk is a dead horse nowadays.

But Metal is more of a pose now than it's ever been. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the metalheads bigmattbrown referenced.

"Why Punk?", huh? Well, yes it's trendy to like punk (are you telling me it isn't trendy to like Metallica or all those classic rock metal bands?), but some people don't like all those damn extended guitar solos and don't like music for the same reasons you do. Some like the more stripped down and blue collar approach of punk as opposed to the guitar wanking and rock operas of the unreachable superstar acts.

[Flamed]

I love to listen to Metallica but I also like punk... Sometimes I'm just in the mood of some simplified music and weak minded lyrics.

[joyful womble]

yeah, i guess john lydon is a 'prepubescent teenybopper'. btw the descendents 'coffee mug ' and 'eunuch boy' are two of the fastest songs ive ever heard. both these bands have guitar solos in most of their songs. rounded musician eh?

[BurNW73]

ok... thats enough flaming for this article. now its time for someone who agrees. I AGREE WITH HIM!

punk may be fast but its only powerchords. which really makes it slower, mentally. Without solos, music is pointless. and back to what bigmattbrown said about those being the only songs that we know... you're wrong. i could name a billion songs that i know (exaggerating, obviously) from different genres. I just don't like the music from the other genres. I must admit that a lot of those fags from boy bands have great singing voices... they dont belong in rock. that's okay. as for punk, i think that its just a cheap way to make money. take blink182 for example. i dont think that they have ANY talent WHATSOEVER. their singer sucks, as does their guitarist(s). Their lyrics (in most cases) are pointless. look at family reunion. "HEY GUYS LETS JUST MAKE A SONG FROM A JOKE THAT WAS ALREADY FUNNY! MAYBE ITLL BE FUNNIER IF WE ADD I F UCKED YOUR MOM AT THE END!! HEHEHE!" ummmm no. thats not how music is supposed to be.
look at metallica and tell me they're not talented. i dont understand how people can't like them. in my opinion theyre on of the greatest bands out there. led zeppelin, hendrix, pink floyyd, pantera, and ACDC are all great as well. I could sit here all day and name sweet rock/metal bands. i couldnt even name 2 punk bands that are decent whatsoever... cuz when you add a solo to punk, you get a crappy kind of metal.

well thats all i have to say.

oh and p.s. look at my little title (like UG Member) above my icon if you see me in the forums. you'll understand another view of mine...

[Immortal Hippo]

Any more pointless, unsubstantiated columns/rants? It's crap because you say so is it? Who are you to judge a genre?

"They have no guitar solos, no bass solos and usually no meaning to the lyics."

LOL. Ever heard of Fenix TX, NOFX, The Offspring, American Hi-Fi... the list goes on? They solo!! No meaning to the lyrics hey? How naive.

[Weebl]

" i couldnt even name 2 punk bands that are decent whatsoever... cuz when you add a solo to punk, you get a crappy kind of metal."

Green Day and Offspring. they solo and it doesnt sound crap. i dont really like punk but to say that it is completey untalented is just stupid. just because they dont play as fast as they can doesnt make it crap

[emop]

suicidal tendencies are punk and a damn amazing band, same with black flag, minor threat...its just the modern kinda punk that is the same thing over and over again with different lyrics and the powerchords moved up the fretboard with some complimentry single string picking for intro's.

n to keep ranting on about punk is pointless, i mean where im from its EMOtopia, emo is more trendy than nu-metal was...so punk isnt that much of a trend in my eyes.

n solo's dont make a song, u dont just put solo's in a song to make it good and "wow, solo..song MUST be good". solo's are just as important as a well compiled riff or any part of the song.

[PimpJuse]

burnw73 - i didnt even bother reading your whole article because you are a brick wall in terms. 'no guitar solos = not real music' so then why dont you go into describing what music IS then or can the brick wall not think that way.
music is whatever the listener deems as music so whoever playes in this 'genre' (stupid word to me) and does a good job to THEMSELVES then that is some talented music to them. you need to start writing music oe something to get a different standpoint on music as a whole. because if you think guitar solos make 'music' you have a WHOLE lot more coming to you.
peace.

[brake_p]

you know...its not really what genre is the best...different people have different tastes. there are way too many people who think that one genre is better than the other. its bullshit in my opinion...

[emokid182]

i'm sick of punk sucks and punk is dead articles if you guys don't friggin like it then do'nt listen to it. its not that hard of a concept!

[simonparry]

well that was crap

[nagirrab]

"They have no guitar solos, no bass solos and usually no meaning to the lyics" could have sworn that rancid have all of those in them

[Hopes]

I hear all these songs and have all these people calling themselves punks. I'm good with calling you people 'tards. No problem there buddy walk around with your spikes and orange mowhawk, you think you're badass I think you're stupid.
lol, that could not have been said any better. I'm not a fan of punk music, i like how simple it is, but i find it to be too boring and too fast. it's difficult to write a good song when ur a s**t guitar player, but thats punk for ya, either like it or ya don't.

[Valhalla]

I dont like punk either, but your an idiot.

[Geldof the Grey]

for the love of god, get frigginjerk in here to butt-*** you whiny little bitches... I think I hear him coming...

[sugar_free87]

man youre such a dumb ass punk rock is not slower then metal...PUNK RULES..
man take back what youve written & stuck it up your ASS...

[JimmyEatWorldSP]

genocide is ignorant and a stereotyper. listen to more punk rather than the mainstream emo and you'll find solos and meaningful lyrics. also there was an article on what selling-out is, i suggest you go read it...

[Geldof the Grey]

^and another thing, you're moaning about punk rock, where a few of your opinions are justified (and if you could write better, someone might have listened.

If punk wasn't meaningful and didn't have solos, then I'm a cheerleader... gimme an A! gimme an S! gimme another S!

[zepplinmike]

What is called "punk" these days on the radio does suck hard but I think credit should be given to early punk acts like the Ramones and especially the Clash. The Clash experimented with all kinds of styles, and their lyrics had more meaning than a lot of the bands you mentioned (I'm a huge fan of Zeppelin, Floyd, Hendrix, and Metallica by the way).

[horazonblade]

Well I can tell you Im a fan of many kinds of music, mostly rock and metal though, new and old, but I have to give it up for one punk band, Rancid. Im a bass player and I think there bass solos are pretty impressive (Where as you said there were no bass solos in punk before). And really, I think punk wouldnt be so annoying if there wasnt the entire "sell out! Punk is dead! Punk is alive! By the way... what is punk?" talk

[romeoturrent]

Men let me tell you wrote a really bad article.
You are talkin´about PUNK

[abass]

if u were poen minded you would like punk rock. also, punk rock has meaningful lyrics. and as for selling out punk rock bands i can name bout 100+ that havent

[NUBIENLOC76]

people say the same thing about rap... im not a punk fan and dont listen to the crap , hell thereis some rap that i consider crap. and maybe you just have to be born into the culture to understand it but the article dose give good insite and anyone who is offended is a close minded a** hole you dont have to agree w/his opinion but respect it and by the way they do look retarded with the mohawks. how the hell are urban white kids going to be against a system that is mostly in there favor if they learned how to dress. Please people find a real cause to stand for!!!!!

[bigmattbrown]

burNW73

I dont mean all metal fans dont know anything about metal, i am using it as a comparison to the articles point about dressing a certain way. Where i live in england it has become the new 'uber-trendy-post-modern
-ironic' fashion statement to wear eddie on your shirt. Obviously not everyone who wears these shirts has no clue what they're on about, but a lot of them know as much about metal as i do morris dancing, and i dont know morris dancing. Its the same way. I dont have a huge mohawk, or safety pins through my foreskin, but i consider myself more punk than 95% of the people dressing in ratty leather vests and black flag shirts.

one more thing, BLINK182 ARE NOT A PUNK BAND! NEITHER ARE GOOD CHARLOTTE! PLEASE DO NOT USE THEM AS EXAMPLES OF PUNK BANDS!!!!!!!!!

[NUBIENLOC76]

NOW COME ON A LOT OF PUNK AND METAL HEADS FEEL THE SAME ABOUT RAP. AND YEA SOME RAP IS CRAPPY. IM SURE THERE MIGHT BE SOMEPUNK SONGS I MIGHT LIKE ...LOL YEA RIGHT BUT ANYWAY TO SUM IT ALL UP YOU DO LOOK RETARDED W/MOHAWKS. JUST TELL ME THIS WHAT DOSE A GROUP OF URBAN WHITE KIDS HAVE TO REBEL AGAINST , LIVING IN A SOCIETY WHERE EVERYTHING IS IN YOUR FAVOR IF YOU JUST LEAR TO GET A HAIR CUT AND PULL UP YOUR DAMN PANTS . I SAY QUIT WHINNING AND FIND A REAL CAUSE TO REBEL AGAINST

[kerrang]

your rite about it not being complicated, hell your also right about those new dipshits calling themselves "punks". BUT, punk was born AND DIED in 1977. Yes im talking about the sex pistols, none of them had any great musical talent, or any other talent for that matter, but their lyrics had heart, soul and feeling, i mean do you think Jonny Rotten ever looked like he didnt like what he was doing? ever seen him play onstage? he always got really into it. He supported the lyrics in the songs that he wrote. Punk is over, dead. but that does not mean we cant still appriciate it, HELL NO!. But it means were gonna have to pull sumthin real f**kn nasty outta our asses to pull it off again.

[Zildjindrummer]

Since I've always wondered this, what is a punk additude. I've heard some pretty stupid trash about it. One person said that he used to be punk until everybody started doing it, but i was under the impression that punk is an attitude of not caring what other people think. Can somebody explain this to me.

[aleczzz]

ok, i'm saying this because i don't understand why you have to whine so much about punks... I mean... do you really consider metalheads better with their long puszy hair bags being all agressive and passionate at the same time? i mean... jeeeeeeeez, punks aren't any worse or better than metalheads so stop ranting

lol punks need to pull up their pants. have you ever seen a kid who likes rap trying to be a thug with his pants around his knees? those are the kids that need to pull up their pants.
oh and blink 182 is not really punk. most of what is on the radio and popular in the masses is pop punk, music made by bands with punk influences who want to make more mainstream music. dont hate punk untill you hear some real punk, the clash and the ramones were both mentioned by others try them.

[Veno]

*aplauds aleczzz*

I feel stupid for reading that article. If you can't find meaningful lyrics in punk music htne your prolly a dipsh*t like burNW73 who watches MTV 24/7 and thinks punk is all blink182 and good charlotte. The fact that you didn't name a single punk band in your article doesn't help. If your a casual fan of punk you're not gonna hear anything good anyways, so you have no room to talk.

and don't even get me started on lyrics. Punk music lyrics aren't meaningful? most metal songs have too much solo and guitar work going on that any spec near a meaningful lyric was lost. 9 of every 10 metal songs lyrics are probably pretty generic( while i'm not a metalhead, but have listened too it alot b/c of friends and so on, don't hold me to this, this was jsut the impression i got from the songs i heard)

Take the stick out of your ass, do a little research, and try again jimbo

[killer fleas]

SHUT UP. ITs that simple. IF you hate it dont try to talk about it. And the only "prepubescent teenyboppers" ive ever heard were only blink 182,sum 41,gc or simple plan. Listen to g.g allin,such a horrible band,but hes hardcore.LEts see, fear,nirvana,stooges,boun
cing souls just to name a few, have great solos and is mentally slow.and veno makes sense,metal is cool but lyrics make no sense. Its just as meaningful as singing "berzerker" (watch clerks.)and it doesnt matter about what,if its crap to you,shut it. if its good,shut it.

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

yeah, punk has no meaningful lyrics? A lot of punk music deals with issues today, like teens on the street, people being beaten in school because of how they dress, and yes, THE GOVERNMENT. Punk is sometimes referred as a way to let out your agressions. but its also a way to get your point across on many issues. Bands like NOFX, rise against, and anti-flag (To name a few) can tell there point on current issuse while using meaningful lyrics, not many other bands in other genres can do that.

I agree with Veno also. you didn't name a single punk band through the whole article doesn't help. just because you may have listened to something by blink 182 or whatever, doesn't mean you listened to what I consider punk. Sure some punk bands sell out, but a lot of others don't. so Don't say that all punk bands have sold out, since you only know of blink 182 and good charlotte shows that the real punk bands never sold out so you could hear about them. And back to the lyrics thing, if you put in the albums "the art of drowning", or "shut your mouth and open your eyes" by afi, and listen to the lyrics, and if you can understand the "Big words" davey is singing, you can see how "meaningless" the lyrics are. the lyrics on those albums are some of the best I've ever herd. and I have listened to other genres, and I've stuck to punk because they don't sell out their lyrics to appeal to whatever someone is listening to.

I don't know if that made sense to anyone, but thats just how I feel.

[dotheevolution_]

is it a requirement for only narrow minded ignorant people to write columns? i think you should email henry rollins and see what he has to say about that.
get off your damn high horse, and try accepting things for what they are, rather then labelling everything outside your comfort zone has crap.
PUNK IS NOT DEAD, and it wasn't born with the pistols you idiot kerrang

[shortys_03_]

i cannot disagree that metallica and AC/DC are not talented but............you are obviously not listening to good punk........good charlotte-shit...simple plan-shit.......why don't you listen to bands like Anti-Flag which have very good guitar and amazing lyrics that make you think about them...you are just an ignorant bastard that is too close minded to actually TRY to find good punk......just do it once...TRY and you will not be disapointed

[be-back]

Haha I think we don't need this column here anymore every other month someone will comeout and whine, now it's supposed to be ONLY Guitar Accessories or guitar related talk no we don't even need Frigginjerk's selling out dictionary defenitionAll we need here is Guitar Guide Articles.

[xxgenocide98xx]

My first article here...

What I was saying is:: Punk is degraded Rock 'N Roll and obviously noone here has the mental capacity to retain that much before letting their minds get the best of them...

First off, What the *** is with The Misfits? The Dead Kennedys? Wtf? they all sound like shit. EVERYTHING about these bands suck. There is always exceptions to every rule, but the majority of punk I cannot even stand.

AFI suck ass
Anti-Flag should be shot.
The Misfits suck

Punk is dead, Kerrang sucks, The Sex Pistols are SELL OUTS. I'm 16 and I'm in highschool, I spent a week talking to the 'punks' and getting 'bands' and 'songs' that were 'good' in their eyes, they all sucked. They've got NOTHING on the rest of Rock 'N Roll.

I'm not talking about Blink182 or Simple Plan, they arent punk rock they're pop.

Clearly you people need to work on reading comprehension, as you're all saying "not all punk sucks not all punks sell out etc etc" I NEVER SAID ALL PUNKS SELL OUT, I NEVER SAID IT ALL SUCKED. I SAID that the majority sucks, the majority sell out, and shit like that. They do sell out the lyrics to have appeal, why the *** is everyone going to write a song about getting laid? There are only so many ways to get laid, to smoke, drink, party, and all of that. The songs they write pretain to nothing, the musicians themselves are inept enough to play just punk.

I just wanna understand you shits but you're just kicking your dead horse. I'm not narrow-minded by any means I'm quite opposite, Dotheevolutoion_ and you're pretty damn slow and narrow minded yourself to make a judgement like that.

Punk is as dead as jesus christ, people. It might come back but I sure as hell hope you people score some talent before that happens because if not I'm going to go on an anti-punk crusade and I'll be crucifying every band and name I can until I'm stopped

BTW:: Nirvana is not punk, its grunge mr.smartypants.

[myusername]

u must not listen to alotta GOOD punk

[xxgenocide98xx]

Something to add::

To sum up what you people have said, punk rock lyrics are about fighting conformity as TimArmstrong says. Well guess what, the world is full of conformity, if we werent different there wouldn't be any punk music or opinions to write your shitty music about.

As far as I can see I find a bunch of retarded men and women acting out and playing instruments in a way that would make jesus himself cry. OMG kids on the streets we really have to give a *** about that! if you cared so much about kids on the streets why don't you go f*cking help them instead of writing bad music? If you get your ass kicked its probably because you have your head so far up your ass that you're seeing through your windpipe. "Dressing different" as in cross-dressing? I'd kick a cross-dressers ass, why? Because its obscene, if you guys wanna ***in spike your hair or wear enough metal to make a ***ing 1955 cadillac go ahead but do it in private. I dont want to see people 'being themselves' in public because 99% of the time its an eyesore. I like to walk around naked but do I walk around naked in public? No, why? because I'd get alot of complaints, not everyone likes to see naked people 24/7, right? i dont like to see dipshits with 1ft long mowhawks and peircings. I'm not a 'metalhead' and i'm not some trendy ***, i'm somewhere in the middle of all of this and i'm laughing at everyone that likes to give a bunch of labels, notice how I havent 'labeled' anyone. Yet, everyone here is quick to 'label' me a metalhead? You guys suuure know your shit.

[Backup Guitar]

This is crap. How can I be dumb and suck because I should speak for myself, and because of my name? Let it go, man. The article has been done so many times, its not even original. Go find something unique to write about, and submit it through the columns forum first.

[chuckles_34]

Casualties, Hometown Zero's, Cretins,
Punk: Yes
Solos: Yes
meaningful lyrics: Yes
Sold out: No

If you need more i can name as many as you want

[Wimphyz]

I'm not in mood to write a long comment so I.ll resume it in 4 word... YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!!!

[xxgenocide98xx]

Oh oh now I forgot something again... Why does it seem that almost every punk band mentioned here has happened to 'sell out'(by most average punk definition..) If you guys wanna read an article thats good, look to the FrigginJerk article on Selling out, I think I like that alot. But you guys are always quick to label and it makes you often times dumb.

I can't believe my rant was published but i'm going to follow up with a more researched one and I'll have to ruin people's shit...

Punk = Rock 'N Roll minus everything good.

[Tcurtis]

you are a dipshit. right after i read "Okay so far I've come to this understanding. Punk is slower metal minus the guitar solos, switching the growling snarling ballsy vocalist with a prepubecent teenybopper (at least nowadays thats about all of them)." i stopped reading because obviously you dont even listen to ***ing punk. so *** you and have a shitty day.

[xxgenocide98xx]

More to reply to!

Chuckles-
You might have found an exception

BackupGuitar
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Wow what a cliche post, you hypocrite. Your entire post didn't pretain to anything I've said as far as I can figure its just another assumption. You should take a look over yourself before you decide to criticize others.. How dumb do you have to be to write another cliche post about how an article is cliche? PUNK is cliche, everything is the ***in same about it, everything has been done before. I'm trying to figure out why you guys WONT stop kicking a dead horse, and if it take me kicking the shit out of one myself I'm going to do it.

Tip: work on your reading comprehension


-Genoc
ide

[Tcurtis]

also, "They have no guitar solos, no bass solos and usually no meaning to the lyics..." THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. if you want some truly kick ass bass lines, listen to Rancid, if you want some meaningful lyrics, then listen to a band like Anti-Flag.

[be-back]

oh well ^^^^^ finally he loose his retard brain that's good.

stop whining and ranting genocide98. people have different ways of expressing themselves and being "punk" is popular right now. in a few years it will go away and only the good punk bands and real punks will be left. then you can ask a punk to name good music and get a good answer so just shut up and wait.

[sargasm]

this is ignorant

im not even gonna bother arguing

[Punkrockguy17]

"The Sex Pistols are SELL OUTS" ok you said hte Sex Pistols are sell outs? How are they sell outs please tell me? Cause how can you be a sell out when what your main purpose in the first place was to make lots of money? Punk def has solos for some ex. the Clash, BAd Religion, Rancid. And punk is a lot faster than metal usually. And what is you def of music? Cause music as my music theory teacher defined is basically organized sound. Punk is organized sound has solos, has rythem, most infact are written in keys. And BurNW73 punk is powerchords? A bunch of punk is written with chords or barrechords. But its all your opinion but for the most part thats what punk is and if you don't like punk then why do you write an article about why punk is band cause more than likely people are just going to fight back and your not going to change anyones mind on the subject.

[MrLucky77713]

How is punk unintelligent? Greg Gaffin is a huge forerunner of punk...he has a PhD, now unless you happen to have something BETTER than a PhD, he's probably smarter than you on at least a few subjects. Politcally charged punk bands usually know their shit, the ones who dont r the ones you've probably heard. Like sum41. What i got from this is that because a few bad apples go and sound like crap and suck at guitar and have nothing to say, then the whole genre suffers from the same lack of...everything. It isn't just GC and Blink who ruin the genre for some people. Punk has the most subcategories, and its a turn-off, but that is because punk is so diverse. You've got HC, Emo, Pop-Punk, Thrash, Grunge, and even more than that, there are countless ways to set that kind of genre system up. So Benji and Joel wanna go out and suck MTV's balls for cash? So what? that's their own problem. But don't blame Anti-Flag and NOFX for it. Slow metal? maybe NOT, Bad Religion and Anti-Flag and Rancid have some really kick ass solos. Yea, it isn't metal-core shredding, but it's still damn good. Even the poppy Sum41 guitarist (the mexican one or whatever) can play some ripping leads. So what? I've heard easy to play metal before too. Punk is not original? I disagree. Yea, lots of bands are idiots and copy other bands, but not all. Anti-Flag is original. Propagandhi is original. Rancid is original. NOFX is in my humble opinion one of the MOST original bands to date. Punk did not start with the Pistols. Punk did not end with the Pistols. The Pistols still rule. Enough about that argument. I don't care too much for the definition of selling out. My own is that if you make music more to earn money than to play, you have sold out. It isn't always bad, it is though for those who have some message, you lose credibility. I mean seriously here kids, punks can get rich and be good. Nirvana was huge, maybe not rich, but huge. Why? they were GOOD. Billy Idol? GOOD. Ramones? GOOD. is punk the only good music? NO. is punk good SOLELY in the sense of musical skill? generally NO. But there are exceptions to every rule, and punk is an exception to the rule in itself. You don't have to be a great player to be a great musician. KURT COBAIN is definitely going to be in the hall of fame (if he isnt already). He was nowhere near as good as Jimmy Paige or Jimi Hendrix. So? He made good music and in my own opinion saved the world of rock and roll from makeup, leather pants, and woman-hair. You want to diss punks? Metal kids have been just as bad. Makeup, full out DRAG, tight leather crotch-pants, woman-hair. Come on. Well enough of that, I might do a little study on a punk history. It's a blurry subject.

Side Question: What would you call RATM? Rock? Grunge? Just plain AWESOME?

[Mr.Coke]

you are a loser, who needs to get your head out of your ass and look around. The people with orange spiked mohawks don't like new punk. Ther're trying to emulate old punk and bands that play old punk today underground.

[dez18]

can we please stop these pro/anti punk articals...god, everyone is saying the same thing over and over again.....get over it...if you like the music, then listen to it, if not, find something elts.....music isnt ment to be this difficult

[Mr.Coke]

one more thing, before you write any more god-awful articles, take a look in the article writing forums for what you can and can't write on!!

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

I really, don't know why I'm defending punk to this guy anyway. he doesn't deserve my time, I got better things to do, like throw stuff on the highway and wait for stuff to run over it. defending this to him won't do anything. we'll just have another forum with the exact same backbone next month and so on and so forth.

[garagerocker69]

ENOUGH WITH THE PUNK ARTICLES! do u people not think that were sick and ***en tired of hearing "i hate punk. punk sucks. they think there cool. theres no solos!" b-b-b-b-bullshit!
there is music with solos, there are bands that arent sold out, and there are people that are sick of these ***en articles. and dez is right, its the same crap over and over again. if u dont like about whine to your mommy not us! if you like something and want to post about it, ill be happy to read it, however, in the mean time...shut the *** up!

[garagerocker69]

woohoo! it didnt censor bullshit and i didnt even put in anti-censor tags!

[saiyanmetalhead]

hey garagerocker69 this is just for you Punk ***ing sucks and should be removed from the face of the earth, that is all for now

[MyBand_NME_rulz]

hey punk rulz nad what the hell is "fack the system"? your gay

[Defiance]

lmfao this guy is a ***ing idiot...you don't have to sell out to get popular...

[runefan88]

whoever the f*ck wrote this is a close-minded ignorant asshole. how can u bash punk if u dont even noe wut it is????

punk was the best thing to happen to rock n roll since the origins of rock n roll itself, ya dumbass. bands like television, the heartbreakers, the stooges, the clash, etc. broke down rock n roll's high and mighty bull attitude that so many rock bands had taken and returned it to its original state of what it should be.

People who dont understand punk, like yourself, need to see punk for what it stands for. not "f@ck the system" but "fix the system, here's how...".

punk is intellgent first off. the greatest thinkers in musical history have come from punk. andy warhol funded velvet underground. joe strummer and jello biafra were two of the smartest political minds ever.

led zepplin and whoever the f*ck u mentioned sold-out immensely, so how can you say punk bands sold out???

Punk has become like a dead horse, but do you know why???? I do. Its dumb-f*ckers like you who dont noe anything about punk, dont want to, and stick with your commercial bands like led zepplin, the sh*ttiest band ever.

[Backup Guitar]

Tip: Work on your brain. The little rat inside it doesn't rule the world.

I write articles. They get high ratings. *points at yours* I submit mine through the forums, I have them approved and critiqued. When I get hashed for it, I just let it be.

If you plan to write another article, just submit it through the columns forum first. Earn some cred.

[Jbrouw10]

First of all im gonna say that the only good punk for the most part is the clash and 80's hardcore(dead kennedys, bad brains, doa, mdc,ect.) and you are right that MOST punk does not require great musical skill yet neither does alot of metal. However bands like the dead kennedys and bad brains had very creative musicians and both are probably the two fastest bands ive ever heard. Also all the bands above have very intelligent lyrics especially the dead kennedys and the clash. Now if you still think punk is crap that consider this: The two most creative and skilled bands the Rage against the machine and Red hot chili peppers have both said they wouldnt be here without the profound influence punk music had on them. And one more thing I also love bands such as hendrix, cream, floyd, zeppelin as well so next time you learn a simple little hendrix riff don't feel the need to strut you guitar smarts buy busting on music you dont understand

[stang84]

wow.....what is the average age on this site, I wonder? I applaud the people who have actually made a well researched and thought out argument against the article, but the rest of you with your little one-line, expletive-fest, cheap shots and those of you who think you've destroyed this guy's argument by giving ONE counter-example that really only represents your own opinion, GET A LIFE. Someone goes "punk is bad..." and all you little punkers come out of the woodwork with your torches and pitchforks to crucify this guy, all of you saying the exact same thing, "Punk ROCKS!! It rocks casue my favroite band is punk so **** you!!!" Ugh! find a better use for your time, go actually play some guitar or something.

[disposablehero7]

Truly Anti-Flag is a bunch of NAZI'S, ive been to one of thier concerts with my brother, i thought i was in a ***in Nazi rally. If u wanna hear music that truly goes against conformity go listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall or watch the movie to understand it, thats true anti-conformity

[Em0-Guitarist]

PUNKS DEAD LADIES AND GENTLEMEN....and very few(and i mean VERY FEW) have been able to "bring it back" anyone that goes around calling themselfs "punK" is an idiot

[kurt775]

two words... DEAD KENNEDYS

[young_blood]

you're ridiculous. learn to appreciate all types of music. music is like the colors. some people like red or blue colors just like some people like punk or metal. so don't go and be dumb about what music "sucks". grow up a bit and write another article once you've learned something about music.

[harm0n20]

no good drummers in punk??? listen to travis barker play buddy.

[xxgenocide98xx]

Backup Guitar-

Hey asshole, I'm giving statements to defend my article and my opinion. I have a brain, apparantly you do, too. However, it must not function well enough. You still need to take my advice, reading comprehension is not your strong point, is it? I shouldn't have to earn credibility and I'm not trying to be held high in anyone's eyes. I'm writing these articles for me, and for others who want to actually understand what makes these punkrock dolts tick.

INCASE YOU FUCKSTICKS MISSED THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE:::

There is nothing special or unique about punk music, some other genre of music conveys any said aspect of 'punk rock' in a better way.

There is more agressive music.
More melodic music.
More expressive lyrics.
More skilled artists.
A deeper meaning.
A better sound.

I can't find what makes punk worth listening to, obviously you can't either and thats why you've chose to flame instead of offer insight. Your attitudes and opinions are both destructive and unwarranted, If you have something good to say, say it. If you want to be an asshole like Backup Guitar, take a tip or three from GoatSe and just go have wild man-sex.

-Genocide

[garagerocker69]

articles like this should be allowed theres too much controversy btw people who think punk sucks, people who "love it", and people who think every1 should just shut up. keep your opinions to yourselfs
0 and saiyanmetalhead, FUCK YOU!

[garagerocker69]

crap it didnt work

[suckthafystem00]

ok... i have a question: what kind of punk r u listening to!? you say lyrics arent meaningful, i say ur full of shit. you say punk is slower metal, i say ur full of shit. u say it has no solos, i say ur partially full of shit. some punk bands do have solos (i.e. yellowcard has guitar and violin solos). i think ur a jackass, and ur annoying. i didnt even take time to read ur whole stupid article. ur rite, maybe a lot of punk bands have sold out, but so have a lot of metal bands (i.e. metallica, aerosmith). and about the guitar thing, id love to see you play simple riffs over and over and over again at that speed for 4 minutes. nad same with the drumming. the drumming may be simple, but its a bitch to play. i play drums, bass, guitar, and sing, and i tried playing drums really fast, and i only went for about 45 seconds. that shit takes endurance. so before you talk shit, do your research, dickweed.

- suckthafystem00

[SchecterAxer182]

Shut the hell up... don't ever post you're thoughts again you gimp

[xxgenocide98xx]

Garage, If people don't want to read it or would be offended they dont have to. The title and description fit well enough for you to decide. They just want to start an argument.

Does anyone have some insight to this?

I used to listen to the offspring and green day, billy joe can't play guitar and noodles isnt much of a soloist, i've seen them both live, the offspring twice(they used to be my favorite band six years back?) and yeah.. I don't know its nothing that sounds too great..

[suckthafystem00]

oh and saiyanmetalhead, nice name, and ur a dick, i agree w/ garagerocker, so u should stfu... wo0t! haha... this feels good to post this shit!

[nasty_santa409]

You should've called this "Punk is dead round 3," and I would've known not to read this. It's the same as round 2 and it's crap. admit it. and garagerocker69, just put FUCK YOU in caps and it'll work

[endywendy]

you guys argue too much. whoever wrote this article, it is very subjective and it can hinder people's music tastes just because you like ranting. you are an opinionated dickface. =)

[xxgenocide98xx]

Technically speaking heres my stats:
I play every kind of music you can shake a stick at..

Bass Guitar-3 years, finger/slap-pop style.
Guitar-10 months, Downpick/sweep pick/alternate pick, single hand tapping and working on double tapping (a-la eddie)
drums-- fooled around on them for a bit here and there.

I can play anything you want me to, deathmetal, punk, everything.

I can play simple riffs, and complex riffs, over and over and over again. Aerosmith isnt metal, and Metallica has sold out, I don't care. You punks are the ones that love the term 'sellout'

Suck, I say you're full of shit. Yellowcard ***ing suck, by the way.

[suckthafystem00]

haha as everyones said, ur entitled to your own opinion. and i expected a metalhead dickface like you to say that an awsome emo band like YC sucks... haha you ***ers r so predictable!

[ted_dotw]

what the hell is wrong with you moron. if punks bother you so much then why do you talk to them and date them. another thing is that i know plenty of people who are "punks"...me beiong one of them and i dont know anyone with orange mohawks or any of that crap. punk isnt about being complicated and flashy, in fact us punks frown upon that because where us humans come from thats what we like to call SELLING OUT!!! im not gonna try to down you for listening to crappy music because that wouldnt make me any better than you, but please let me say that before you judge an entire culture of people get your facts straight.

[suckthafystem00]

and ill say this, metal is awsome, punk is awsome, funk is awsome, everything cept that new rap shit and country is awsome. but i think some of the allogations u make in ur article are extremely ignorant (i.e. punk is a slower form of metal)... and the only form of metal punk can be slower than is thrash, which for the most part, is a hardcore-imitation genre (hardcore i.e. since by man, harkonen, sweet cobra, etc...)

[suckthafystem00]

PS - that meow mix song is ***in catchy as hell...
i want chicken
i want liver
meow mix, meow mix
please deliver

wo0t wo0t!

[xxgenocide98xx]

I'm dating one because I'm able to set aside a difference to better myself and her... I don't usually associate with punks. I told you I am doing research, trying to get my shit straight, and figure this out. It was one big ***ing question for all to see

"WHAT MAKES PUNK WORTH LISTENING TO?"

Noone has answered it, noone ever will. The question will keep up going and going. I don't listen to crappy music, if you say I listen to crappy music, you'd be very mistaken. I have got my facts straight, not one person here has given me a bunch of consistant answers and examples as to why punk is worth listening to.

All i've got are sparse examples and exceptions to my general rule, which I've already heard of all of them before. You people arent giving me anything new, in fact you're just getting old. Flames are for kids, get over it. You can be positive or just not be anything at all.

[suckthafystem00]

i have a question: "WHAT MAKES METAL WORTH LISTENING TO?" its not a question that can truly be answered, its just one of those things that people have opinions on. like "Is W. Bush a dickfaced jackass?" we all know the answer is "yes," but people can have their opinions about it ;

[xxgenocide98xx]

By the way i'm not talking about main-stream metal when in compairson, most punk IS slower than most metal. There are exceptions, but you're being ignorant yourself. My allogations are both fair and un-baised (I used to like punk myself) and noone has yet to give me a good answer.. Punk has no unique traits, every trait it has, some other form of music does it better... I just don't understand whats so hard to answer...

[ted_dotw]

heh...suck plays bass in my band and while i dont agree with his extreme criticism i must say that he has a point with the predictable thing...you all seem to hate us and i dont understand it. you dont give our music a chance, if someone isnt growling or chocking or soloing you immediately assume that the song is crap. do me a favor and really listen to it for a minute, you might see that punk addressed real things...maybe not relavant things, but then again metal doesnt either. they just scream about how theyre angry and have still suprisingly have enough braincells left from all the headbanging to tie there own nuse...and in my opinion that isnt a very great accomplishment

[suckthafystem00]

yeah, another question. why r "punks" so depressed/angry when metal is all about how pissed off u r and how much u love worshiping the devil? just something that came up in my mind...

[ted_dotw]

by the way...what makes metal worth listening to? unless ur a drunk or a burned out 40 year old man whos wishing that he had gone to college instead of sitting on his ass in his moms attic i just dont understand it

[xxgenocide98xx]

Um.. Well yeah its opinion, thank you for stating the obvious. Now you're missing my point, I'm asking "Why do it this way if another way is better?"

Why would you want to listen to music that is mediocre in comparison to other genres of music?There are ALWAYS exceptions but not enough to make me change my mind about it...

Metal is Agressive, loud, and energetic. Some metal has alot of talent to it, some doesn't. Thats really opinion.

[suckthafystem00]

"Metal is Agressive, loud, and energetic. Some metal has alot of talent to it, some doesn't. Thats really opinion." some punk has talent too, jesus. look into 2 bands called "Thrice" and "Thursday," if u kno them ur gonna say this: "Thursday and Thrice are shitty emo bands" and im gonna say "you ***ers are so predictable!(again)" but look into some of their guitar riffs (i.e. Under a Killing Moon, Paper Tigers) and then criticize punk guitarrists talents.

[ted_dotw]

suck...i think u mean is bush a dickface or a jackass...cuz i mean hes got to be one or the other

[suckthafystem00]

hmmm... good point... my bad

[jeeba jaba]

yeah the thing about no meaningful lyrics in punk music is almost complete total anus invasion ever heard any of thursdays or anti-flags stuff and when did lyrics get so meaningful and deep good songs dont have to have meaningful lyrics i mean look at longview damn good song about masturbation a very serious issue you can say that any genre's lyrical writing style is ilke the same thing and yeah your true almost all genres sing about the same stuff just in unique ways. yeah the "lyrical genius" of pink floyds stuff is almost total bullshit Im not saying they werent a damn good band im just saying that anybody that does that much acid and plays music is going to make up something so funked up that people will just call it brialliant

[xxgenocide98xx]

Ted_dotw

If you havent noticed, I do listen to all the bands I make references to in my article. I'm well-versed in music, I have the ability to comprehend meanings and the like. I'm not pro-metal, I'm pro-music that kicks ass. I've just noticed that punk has alot less ass-kicking than any other genre of music.

You guys are focusing on one point in order to open a weakenss but you're really just running steadfast into a brick wall..

Suck::
I like some of thrice's songs, I've been an avid fan of them for about a year. They are an exception. Deadbolt / See you In the Shallows are amazing songs and they're currently 35 and 49 most played on my winamp

What I am saying:: The majority of punk is not very good... People seem to think its good enough to create a following.. why is that so?

[garagerocker69]

thx nasty santa and suckthafystem.
genocide,
what i'm saying is taht you shouldnt write articles just to start arguments; thats what threads are for. its up to you though

[ted_dotw]

hahahaahahaha...jeeba jaba, u just made a friend for life

[da_loyde]

Punks is the bottom rung of anythign they all deserve to be shot into the sun the drummer in my beginner band gets more work from his shitty songs then any punk player does in a concert and the guitar ohhh he played some power chords overand over and then uh ohh he switched them only to continue with the same fukign thing again someone call a proffesional cause this is way to fuking challenging and dont even get me started on the bass. all i have to say about punk is they suck balls big time and dont deserve to have any of their intruments plugged in try playing any punk song acoustic ITs Shittier then grandpa after thanksgiving without the sustain and distortion they are nothing and they shoudl all just crawl back into their hole and die before their shitty music contaminates us anymore

[suckthafystem00]

deadbolt ***in pwns... jeeba jaba, u kick ass kuz u like thursday hah. and dude, seriously, even if u like thrice, look into the two songs (Under a Killing Moon, Paper Tigers) and if you learn to play them and send me a mp3 of you playing it, ill shut up. and look into thursday because they're extremely talented musically and lyrically.

[da_loyde]

***ign angst filled suicidal depressed oh i have so many problems that EVERY ONE ELSE DOESNT HAVE bitches

[suckthafystem00]

da_loyde... that was confusing, and stupid :-/ sorryman, but jsut... no...

[Punkrockguy17]

well prob why lots of people listen to punk is because it maybe listenable to people. infact i know lots of kids and lots of musicians that infact hate long solos and say that solos just ruin music and they put so much empahsis on it but don't put emphasis on what the song is about. and in my opinion i think good music is done by doing what you think is right and it so happens that punk bands do something that lots of people think is right and listen to it. but well anyways i believe people listen to punk is because they find it listenable and you may not find punk listenable but lots of other kids do so i hope htat answers your question on why kids listen to it.

[xxgenocide98xx]

Jeeba Jaba-

Syd Barrett was heavy into acid and was kicked out of the band after the 1st or 2nd album. After that they cleaned up. Pink Floyd write some of the best lyrics I have ever heard. Most of it is random shit, but at the same time it holds a meaning to the band, and that is why they wrote it.

You people again miss the point:::::::::::

What I am saying:: The majority of punk is not very good... People seem to think its good enough to create a following.. why is that so?


Garage:: I'm not writing articles to start arguements, I wrote an article to recieve feedback and gain some ground in better understanding punk so when the time comes that I try to deal with this stuff I can stand it more easier. I don't want to hate anything, and I'm trying to better understand the music and the people because hate spawns from a biased view that was based on information that was incomplete or hidden.

I'm trying to figure this shit out so I can get along with you guys and your music world, music means alot to me, more to me than it does to most people probably, and I'm trying to understand it to better myself and the people i know, and maybe some day even the world if I ever get that big.

[xxgenocide98xx]

and people that hate solos don't understand the technical excellence and are numb to the emotions that can be expressed via the guitar. They're just dense and don't want to further comprehend something that is hard to grasp. Essentially people shy away from it because they're lazy or just outright scared. The guitar is a tool, and people that 'dont like guitar solos' are being narrow minded, so who are they to criticize me? Solos help further the message, they just arent patient enough to wait and understand it =/

[frigginjerk]

didn't read it. don't care. boring article on a dead topic. find something else to write about.

[suckthafystem00]

solos can be good, but i think they're just a way to show off sometime. i dont think solos are necessary, its good to throw one in once in a while just to let everyone know you can actually play your guitar, but they're not needed. people like tom morello, they have to solo. thats y i dont like audioslave as much as RATM. because tom morellos solos are simple, but they kick any Iron Maiden solo's ass because they sound so much cooler. i mean, you tell me whats cooler: "Number Of The Beast" or "Guerilla Radio"? i say guerilla radio, and its more meaningful. wo0t RATM PWNS!

[geoco_69]

I JUST CANT BELIVE YOU TOOK YOUR TIME IN WRITING THIS PIECE OF SHIT ARTICLE....SHUT UP AND GET A LIFE!

[guitarjared]

genre articles are getting boring. *yawn*. how about giving us something useful like one of those guides to guitar stuff or history to a really good band. i would write one but i'm not sure i know enough.

[Gag-Reflexe]

bashing this new mainstream-punk ( < oxy-moron is you ask me ) is pretty trendy nowadays also.. therefore you suck.

[suckthafystem00]

wo0t! bash the metalhead! haha

[shantzy11]

your ridiculous...all your practically saying is Punk sucks oh yeah all these bands suck...well I can just say Metallica sucks to you and itd have the same effect..even tho I dont think that I listen to prety much all rock....I think basically your saying punk sucks....but your backing it up with false info because you havent looked into the music that much....you seem to be proven wrong many times here..

[R@fa88offspring]

why does everything that is in this columns has to be something about led zeppelin??
and let me say this... FU CK YOU!

[j_forrest2]

hi.....my names joel! i like to listen to music.......in fact i would consider music my life.......theres good music.......theres bad music.....people have differnt perceptions on what kind of music they like! As for "being punk" its not something you can dress and be...its something you are. punk started out as people who where against shit.....and thats true punk.....and buncha crazy mother ***ers who love to party, and dont take shit, and love to have a good time! Punk music kicks ass! im gunna shut up, im to drunk to be going on about all of this.......! have you ever seen a llama.....weird lookin mother ***ers.......anyways.peac
e!

[hiddentrack15]

your a close minded bastard....you wanna hear a sick bass solo listen to that rancid song maxwell murders.....your a well rounded musician my ass.....waste of all of our good oxygen

[stanger5154]

HELL YEAH... YOU ARE AWESOME.... MAY YOUR GUITAR ALWAYS BE IN TUNE AND YOUR TONE AWESOME!!

[awesomedude89]

dude *** you. if you dont like punk then shut the hell up. nobody wants to hear you wine and complain about how all punk bands are sellouts and punk is dead cuz thats bullshit. why do you go out with your girlfriend if shes into punk? i would have broken up with you already if i were her.

[RiffURheadOff]

to whoever said music is meaningless without solos.. WTF are you talking about?

[awesomedude89]

by the way, do you really have that much time on your hands that you can write an entire column on how much you don't like something? get a ***ing life. i might have forgotten to mention this but FUCK YOU!!!!!!

[IbanezAX]

Yeah, im with him too. I seriously can't stand punk. It might be mostly cause I'm am a real guitarest, and I don't like to hear the same riffs over, and over, and over, etc... LET'S HEAR SOME STUFF THAT TAKES TALENT TO PLAY!! LETS HEAR SINGERS WHO ARE GOOD!!! LET'S HEAR GUITARS WAIL!! LETS HEAR DRUMS!! I quote AC/DC when i say "LET THERE BE ROCK!"

[suckthafystem00]

man, we "punks" as the dickweed says, are kickin his ass... looks like the pussy has finally backed off... wo0t we kick ass!

[suckthafystem00]

i quote me when i say "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

[FJM2C]

NO MORE PUNK PUNK IS/ISNT DEAD (OR) WHY PUNK DOES/DOESNT SUCK ARTICLES!!!

[suckthafystem00]

*** FUCK... jus checkin what gets edited

[jacstarnes]

i didnt really take the time to read through everyones comments(i cant read that fast it would take me a week to go through all those) but people who keep comparing todays music to lep zeppelin and pink floyd are refusing to realize that times change and the influences of those bands are very obvious in some of todays music. the new punks like thursday and thrice and poison the well all worship the bands of yesterday... the heart and soul those bands put into thier music is just as strong as those of metallica and floyd...and as far as people saying music today sucks because of a major lack in solos...music would have started blatently repeating its self long ago...just because guitarists today dont do the things jimi did...doesnt mean they cant...you all know as well as i do that no one can touch the likes of hendrix...and the reason for this is because of: 1. jimi was a pioneer for the electric guitar 2. his music was influence by a different source...think about it and youll know what i mean...the 60's were covered in a thick layer of ganja and acid pills...3. people who keep ranting about how todays music will never be as good as jimi and floyd...you are the people who discourage these new bands...you are the ones who refuse to buy their cds without ever listening to them first...im not saying todays music lacks in areas...but so did the music of the 50's-80's...(you cant say that Flock of Seagulls and duran duran had that much to say that sting hadnt already said) but like i said before...music changes...it evolves everytime a kid picks up a guitar for the first time and strums the strings...but we are starting to make those kids be discouraged and hate music because of all the bull-sh it comments about how horibbal it is today and how its useless to try because of how its so much easier to rob a bank than it is to get a record deal...this is where punks comes in...if it wasnt for the open mindedness of punks(im not talking about those stupid skinhead punks) then some bands would never have a chance and the music would die out...punklabels like lookout records and kung fu records put money from their own pockets into buying studio time for bands...not all of these bands are good...in fact half of them suck...but they do this casue they understand that someday they might get lucky and give some misguided band studio time and then that band will go in and record the next thing that blows us away...music is the heart and soul of everybody...its a universal language...maybe its time for us to shut up and finally listen...its something we havent done in a long long time...

[suckthafystem00]

you write a lot, and i like your post. but im too lazy to read it all :-/... one suggestion: you used to many "...'s" but i agree with you,... and Flock Of Seagulls rock! wo0t haha

[Punkrockguy17]

just cause you like solos doesn't mean you say they are narrow minded infact the people i know that don't use solos that often are like really good musicians and they listen to like everything cause they believe every genre has good music u just have to search for it and they believe if you put your heart into the music nad have fun then thats all that matters. Solos are there to have fun but get dull after time and people don't get into as much as when they hear some catchy riff that they are like "wow that sounded great! i can hear it in my head now" people seem to do the smae with solos but solos people seem to get tired of quickly because they are so long and they wish it was over with. but seriously who cares really how techniqual the music is i think musici s more about having fun if there was no fun in it then why would we do it and solos can be fun but majority of people may not like it and so just accept the fact that lots of people like punk and find it listenable and maynot accept solos like people used to and have fun with whate ever you like to do on guitar.

[zepplinmike]

Man, I'm not the biggest punk fan but calm the *** down. Some people like less complicated music because they can relate to it more. You obviously need music you listen to appeal to you're guitar skills or whatever (which for the most part is what I look for in music too). What I like about the little punk I do like is the aggression behind it. Plus I only listen to punk with meaningful lyrics like the Clash .

One thing you should think about is that a lot of rock you probably like wouldn't have been the same without the 70s punk movement. Metallica and other thrash bands were influenced by hardcore punk bands like Minor Threat, that's where all the aggression and speed came from. And the grunge movement was heavily influenced by punk. In their early days, Nirvana and Soundgarden were essentially punk bands, and even in their more popular albums there are songs that could be called "punk".

Whether or not you like to listen to the music you should appreciate that some people who have made music you like probably were somewhat influenced by punk. Personally, I think people who listen only to punk are definately missing out on much better music, but punk is (or was) an important part of Rock & Roll.

[awesomedude89]

question. have you ever listened to punk? because from what ive heard in your full of shit article you have no FUCKING clue what your talking about. no FUCKING solos, are you on crack? maybe if you looked up what your talking about in the big bad boog of punk, it would tell you that your a jack ass. and suckthafystem00 you are my hero

[FlyingFuc!<]

everyone wrote a lot!

my two cents:
rap rocks, punk sucks.

[awesomedude89]

sorry about that folks i meant book not boog

[jacstarnes]

im bored now...and my fingers hurt from typing to much...theyre bleeding...lol...maybe that the ketchup im eating

[Em0-Guitarist]

btw,good article genocide

[Babaca]

2 words - the decline

whoever wrote this sh!tty article, listen to 'the decline' by NOFX. those are some of the best lyrics ive heard, and the solos are great! not to mention anyone who can play a song 18:30 minutes long and not be repeadtive (minus the last 1:30) is awsome. u know how hard it is to put together tha many chord formations!? andnot be repeadative!? if that doesnt convince u man, i dont know what will. NOFX is also a band that has not sold out. They have gotten popular all by themselves, not being played on corperate radio or TV. they make no music videos anymore (with the exception of Franco-UnAmerican, which was a political video and song anyways). They did everything DIY and got where they are today by themselves without going mainstream

[think11270]

''Because they probably had to sell out for you to hear about them.''
So if my friends heard of my band that means were sellouts??

[BassPlayer4Hire]

Ok, this guy has obviously never heard of Bad Religion or Pennywise *cough* Loser *cough* but it's ok, it's never too late to find what good punk music sounds like. Meaningful political lyrics, insane guitar solos (what the hell do u mean no guitar solos in punk music), the occasional bass solo and drummers with more skill and balls then the whole continent of Asia.

[Man Made Errer]

"Flamed:
I love to listen to Metallica but I also like punk... Sometimes I'm just in the mood of some simplified music and weak minded lyrics."

w3rd to the last bit.......

[firenze, NY]

its REAGAN, nor Regan. stupid.

[Bong Water]

my god, PLEASE stop writing this sh!t, no one cares, if youre gonna write a punk article youre just gonna get flamed, and the more u try to defend yourself your gonna get shot down. we dont care. find something interesting to write about that hasnt been done about 300 times.

[be-back]

Look man I respect your rage, and we all get pissed for some reasone, but all I'm saying to UG is "All we need here is Guitar Guide Articles." We have enough crap every mornig on UG news(well mostly).So PLEASE No more personal opinion, not even articles to fix the term in general on this and that, cos it will be still someones' personal opinion.

[boxcarblink41]

soooooo ignorant

[pinkerton]

i was goign to read every post but i got lazy. to say punk never solos is a lie. A fire Inside - Dacing through Sunday. Jade is a ***ing badass guitarist. Im not a big punk kid, partly because so much of it does suck. But good music is good music, no mater what grene it is.

[nuketheducks]

I wont bash anyone for listening to what they want to... I just personally dont listen to punk because I like to play more complicated things than palm-muted powerchords. (Yes i know all punk isnt just powerchords, aka thrice)

Also, stop with the Punk articles because they are getting annoying.

[deadkenedy]

It is ***ing good charlotte causing the downfall of punk

[Oswald]

NO!
PUNK is causing its own downfall.....

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

I agree with deadkennedy, good charlotte are causing the downfall. People think they are punk and base the whole "punk" genre around them, so every other punk band is thought to sound like good charlotte.. maybe...

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

Why do I listen to punk? I listen to punk music because I can relate to what they are singing and YES i do like the fast-beat guitar, and just because you've been playing guitar for 10 months, doesn't mean you can play a lot of punks complex riffs. I've been playing guitar for about 6 years, and I can barely get through some stuff by dead kennedys. Some punk music have the best solo's when there are solos in it, because the guitar solo has to go along with the fast beat. you put on something even like Dance through sunday by afi and tell me that solo isn't kick ass, cause it is. And I listen to punk cause I like it. And I don't need some dude commin on here every month crying about how much he doesn't like punk because he herd some other people putting it down and he wants to sound cool by writing a big article on it. write something better next time, like why punk bashers should be recognized as losers. it's alright if you don't like punk, some people do, some people don't, but you don't have to write all about it, and tell us why it sucks. thats about it.. not sure if i made sense or not, im not even gonna read it over.

[dotheevolution_]

its good to see xxgenocide98xx has not replied lately, hopefully he has choked on the pompous self righteous shit he was spewing out and died.

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

lol, that was great dotheevolution! lol. we can only hope!

[driftinguitar]

you had me till you brought your girlfriend into this. weak man, weak.

[BurNW73]

pimpjuse- guitar solos make music when you, like me, are a guitarist. and for all of you guys that say green day and offspring solo, you're wrong.... unless you call pullin off a couple notes that arent power chords makes a solo.

[BurNW73]

"WHAT MAKES METAL WORTH LISTENING TO?"
-FREAKING SWEET guitar solos
-lyrics
-incredib
le riffs
-crazy drummers
-insane bass solos
-songs that are actually "listenable"
-it pisses you off and makes you want to kill someone
...
i could do this for days...

[Tb182]

People are always going on about what genre of music is the best...

Music is music and taste remains taste:

I listen to Punk, Pop-Punk, Metal, Death Metal, Rock, Pop, You name it...

Get your head out of the gutter and explore music to it's fullest, living your life and never experiencing something fresh, something new has got to be pretty lame.

Explore your horizons. Even if you don't like one metal band or one punk band doesn't mean that the entire genre is like that. Bands are supposed to be different from each other. [except boy bands that can't get that part down]

So stop the nonsense and open your eyes to the possiblities...

[Define_"punk"]

hmm........maybe i like AFI, maybe i like rancid, maybe i like metallica or maybe i dont, there are billions of ppl around the world with different tastes in music, hell there are a lot of ppl that dont like metallica or floyd...what the *** are you gonna do about it. Whats this garbage on punks with their mohawks and studded leather what about rappers with their baggy pants and bandanas, metalheads with their long hair. What if im asian does that make me and eysore? what if im black does that make me an eyesore? This is nothing more then descriminating BULLSHIT, your ranting is very opinionated. I'm glad ure not some powerful political leader or else this world would be very FUCKED UP! I try to be as polite as i can but ure article is so full of shit and garbage my head is starting to hurt! Keep your own ***ing opinion to yourself! Im curious to know what made u write up this garbge....not getting enough sex from your punk girlfriend...is that why ure ranting...its ok, dont be shy just release the inner "emo" feelings to us!

[Define_"punk"]

by the way did i mention how much u SUCK!?!~~?!~

[ianstaine]

I can see where this article is coming from, a lot of these bands like green day, blink, offspring, etc. people listen to and think they are a punk. Now i think a second grader could play just about all of their songs and the solos they have are not that good.
But i can name a few punk bands that are amazing with solos and all =

Bad religion
Suicidal Tendencies
Fugazi

Wel
l then again, yeah most punk bands are limited on talent but at least i came up with three.
And whoever thinks the misfits suck need to get their thumb out of their ass.

[jshred]

How about, you're a jackass. Punk is great in its own way. It has its own culture just like every type of music and it deserves respect just like every type of music. And there is nothing I am more sick of than hearing people talk about SELLING OUT. Heres the deal, if you had a band and were making crap money on an indy label and still working in burger king to make money and a major label said they'd cut you a fat ass contract if you changed your style, you would sell out too, if you say you wouldnt your full of crap.

[Produkt]

I'm from Poland, and I like punk-rock. After I've read this I think you aren't wright person to write this articule.

[knifey]

you fuking tool.every singer in a punk usually has lyrics got to do with somethingh direct from their life. so they may not have any meaning to you but you narrow minded so its ok.Have you ever listened to the old green day albums?i doubt it because there are some crazy solos but no, you ignored that so as to have a persuasive argument.tut tut.

[redoverblack]

i dont think its the bands 'selling out' on the fans. i think its the fans selling out on the bands. everybody knows if they had the chance to break it big they would. its a shame people hate the bands they once loved just because their more popular. oh but i forgot. people want to be original and keep their bands to themselves... "no you kan't know this band their mine!" u dumb pieces of shit

[Geldof the Grey]

earlier in these columns, the writer says that he doesn't like the way people are telling him to stop flogging a dead horse. He hasn't noticed that zappp used the same expression to take the piss out of this column on the home-page.

nb: nice new posting box zappp!

[scumfuc_69]

Actually, I don't think the author knows what he's talking about.
Reason is because I can't name one punk band who never played solos, with the exception of the Ramones 1st albums, which still had something similar to solos on them. But Johnny Ramone admitted he couldn't play when they started out.

The Dead Kennedys sold out, except for Jello or course.
The Misfits sold out, except for Glenn....
I can name a thousand bands who haven't sold out, but that would be a waste of my time & everyone else's.
I just think the writer is out of touch & doesn't know what he's talking about.
As for lyrics, many punk bands have meaningful lyrics...at least the true punks don't try to sue everyone who wants to hear them like metallica.
If you don't like it, find something 'meaningful' to bitch about, because most of the comments about punk I read on here are absolute bullshit from people who can't think of real insults to punk, so they have to make them up as they go along. get a ***ing life!!

[Mr_Fooz]

this guy is the definition of fukktard.

[Mr_Fooz]

and the expression is flogging a dead horse, asstard

[BloodBlooms]

i didn't even read this article, so i'm not going to comment about the bullshit contained therein. i was sure that the opinions posted would be much more entertaining to read. they were. thanks for the laugh, xxgenocide98xx. at some point, though, it'd be nice to have a different subject to inundate the articles forum. let's try something original, shall we?

[5MileGetaway]

STOP ALL THIS YELLING *CRIES* YOU SOUND LIKE MY PARENTS BOO HOO HOO

[nirvanaboy]

didn't read it. don't care. boring article on a dead topic. find something else to write about

frigginjerks such an asshole

[qrek]

I am from Poland and when I see all those American "punk" rock groups like Blink 182 or Good Charlotte I feel sick. If this shows a condition of US punk rock then I am happy that I live in Europe.
But I know that you also have couple of true punk rock bands such as Bad Religion (they are from US aren't they?) so it can't be so bad.
In Poland punk rock is very popular and we have many interesting bands that aren't "sold out", (probably this is the reason that you haven't heard them ), so if you want to listen to some true punk come to Poland, we'll welcome you .

[qrek]

and, by the way, did anybody mentioned The Clash?

[cedrics_mic]

I'm just going to say it's a one sided, badly written article, and the author is too presupposing and arrogant.

[banished]

ShoeLaces907: Uh huh...punk is slower metal? NO. Ever known Led Zepplin to be faster than The Ramones? I don't think so.

first of all, your retarded, zepplin isnt punk.

anyway, great article, youre absolutly right, most punk bands blow and have thrown every great aspect of music away. no guitar solos, no drum solos, no bass solos, awful singers, and usually crappy and meaningless lyrics. good job pointing out how music is being ruined by 'punk' rock today.

[issidvicious]

God.......if i hear another bullshit excuse at the ligitamacy of punk or any more of that bullshit i'll explode. Clearly sir you're too trendy to even listen to a real punk band in the first place. Take you're narrow minded head out of your ass and take the time to find the deep meaning in a Sex Pistols song or a Damned song that you find in Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd. Try some MC5 for god's sake. Besides do you really give a shit about what someone else does...does some dressed in the supposed "punk uniform" make you angry...*** off you pansy son of a bitch.

[Geldof the Grey]

^he didn't say they were punk, he said the ramones were punk and that they play faster than zeppelin, therefore stating that not all metal is faster than punk. You're retarded (that's you're, with an apostrophe.

[awesomedude89]

banished is a FUCKINK deusch cuz he doesnt know what hes talking about. haha

[Dezerado]

With maybe 1/8th exception Punks are VERY closed minded people as a whole... they Acuse EVERYONE of being a poser for somereason, they feel like only THEY understand... and tho the same is in every walk of life, its predominant in Punk because they made a commonly used word for it "poser" which most of them are anyway

[pepsi_home]

whoever wrote this article is a bitch.

[theredisreal]

If you think punk has no good drummers, listen to FULL CIRCLE by Pennywise. For guitars and bass listen to MOBILIZE by Anti-Flag. For good lyrics, listen to both. That is true punk.

[ShredHed789]

punk sucks. its a mixture of poor musicianship and bad attitude

[smigz]

Its not so much as punk that i like its more like emo. You know, bands like thursday and the used. Check it out. I mean i used to like blink and stuff like that but then i got a life.

[kATiE_KT]

This is sick! i'm tired of ignorant little bitches trying to speak for all! what were you thinking when you wrote this? that you would change the worlds opinions on punk music?? we all have to understand we all see the world in a diferent way and to some, music is just music and punk is just punk but to others punk is a way of life or an art form. punk is a release for many. punk music is were many lost souls turn to when they have nowhere else left for whatever the reason (broken homes, depression ect.) if you find something special to you that just makes you feel complete, go with it whether it may be punk, rap, metal, whatever! whoa man, that was deep!! but all in all just remember that we all have our own oppinions on the views of the world so make sure you respect others.

[Immortal Hippo]

The number of immature idiots who post comments on this site is incredible. People who believe technical proficiency is what makes makes good music. I'm going bet that a majority of the people who post on this site are under 18. Why? Because they're close minded, and have only ever encountered the immediate people around their school. Their life experience adds upto next to nothing. If they ever grow up they'll discover there's more to life than playing an instrument. So grow up children, there is NO SUCH THING AS BETTER BANDS. Just different opinions.

[runefan88]

IF U WANT TO BASH PUNK, OPEN A THREAD IN THE PUNK FORUM. NORMALLY WE HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, BUT AN ORGANIZED FORUM IS A MUCH BETTER PLACE FOR AN ARGUMENT WHERE WE WILL CRUSH YOU

[KashmiR]

I dislike most punk like several people, but geez, this article sucks. Take some literature lessons, kid.

[numnuts]

i think its dumb to say

"Punk's culture died when Regan went out of office"

if punk were a politically fueled movement, then it wouldnt be a GENRE OF MUSIC. u could have the most screamenist heavieast soloinist metal band in the world with the same views and opinions as a punk band, but that wouldnt neccicarily make their music punk now would it? i do agree its pretty shallow to try to be punk with the orange mohawk and pins alover ones clothes, but i dont think there really is a very agreed apon definition of punk

[Backup Guitar]

*giggles* You're funny. Please, do submit articles through the forum first. I'm inviting you too openly, because in there, we honestly give critique of what could be better in the article. There's no flaming (unless you're chung). So really, if you want to be a serious columnist and keep writing, then visit the columns forum.

I'm so glad my rating shoved that 2 star trash article of yours back down to the 1 it deserves. It doesn't deserve entering let alone the main page. You know nothing about music, nothing about opinion, nothing about politics and the influence of music. You, in short, are worthless.

[zepplinmike]

i mentioned the clash.

[crackdaddycaine]

i like alotta punk. old punk is good, alotta newer stuff is commercial trash but alotta underground bands are still true. its not always the most technical stuff,but i like alot of it. and some stuff is technical too, you really cant say "all punk bands play nuthin but power chord crap" its just not true. (i really like powerchords anyway they were really good for when i was just starting out, learning chords only can be a little discourageing because you dont start out sounding good, power chords kept me motivated when i was learning, but thats alittle off topic. its good stuff. i also really like all the bands u talked about too, ya know, hendrix, zepplin, floyed, old metallica (newer stuff of theres sucks) metal is ok too, i go to metal shows, there fun, but i dont listen to it usually. anyway i guess thats it i kinda went off topic but whatever

[FaDE2xXxBLaCK]

Hey any of you heard of Sum41. Yeah well their a great punk band who have awsome solos. I love metal,but if i hear a good band like sum41 their genre doesn;t matter. as long as they play right.

[PunxNotDead7688]

AHAHAHAHAH you guys are losers you keep writing shit when you know this guy doesnt read it, and half of you dumbasses have written 10 or 11 replies already, give it the *** up. All i have to say is that he is Obviously listening to the wrong punk. He's right about how everyone sold out and that "punk" today is all (quote) "teenyboppers". But this guy has a right to his opinion and so do I.........METALLICA SUX BIG FAT DONKEY COCK!! AND I MEAN A REALLY BIG FAT DONKEY COCK WITH A LITLE BIT OF FUR AT THE TIP OF IT!!! HAHAHAHA

"All you mother***ers are gonna pay. YOu are the ones who are the ball lickers. We're gonna *** your mothers while you watch and cry like little whinny bitches."

[Mr_Fooz]

youre an idiot, buddy

[gryftorsguitar]

ok wow
just because u dont like punk doesnt mean u have to disrespect all the people that like it. that just says that you are a narrow minded, ignorant idiot. i absolutly hate metal and rap and lots of other genres, mostly rap, but i dont go around disrespecting them and making them sound like little pieces of shi t. i dont know y rap fans wear huge clothes and wear there pants at there knees, or why the only thing tey rap about is shooting people and fuc king hoes, but i dont write articals about how stupid they are or how there style is ugly, like u say mohawks are. what im trying to say is open your mind a little. if you dont like it it doesnt mean its not good.

[gryftorsguitar]

lol i forget who said it but whoever said blink 182 and greenday and good charlot are the ones that give punks a bad name. there called posers

[scumfuc_69]

If you think punk bands never play solos, or never played them a lot in th past, then shut the *** up, because you obviously haven't heard any of it!!!

Maybe some of you didn't hear the solos because they weren't 10-***in'-minutes long!

Here it is, in ***in' writing: "I will give $100 to ANYONE who can name a punk band who played LESS than
"10" (ten) guitar solos!
If you can, e-mail me. Look up my profile
for my email.
Please also note that any bands you name must have released at least 2 albums.

[me an my gitar]

ok, so im not a big fan of punk, but im not gonna make some stupid generalization like "all punk licks monkey nuts" or anything like that cause i dont really know the genre well. so if you dont really know a genre, dont be a dumbass and make a generalization like that, especially if its based on the one or two songs you heard on the radio, or worse, saw on mtv

[danielbalcombe]

listern to rancid and see some goood solos

[face990]

sorry got to agree with the article, there are only a few good punk bands left. and if i hear aother one go on about hatn this and that ill explode, go back to the good old days, the clash, the ramones, sex pistols, teenage kicks and all tht. that is punk. and thats how it should be remembered, not as the crap thats thrown out today, like i said minus a few like rancid etc.

[ad_lib_oz]

ok, this article really did suck. do not bother posting again. and. HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY TELL BACKUP TO WORK ON HIS VOCAB AND HIS WRITING. HE OWNS YOU BY A POWER OF ONE MILLION OR SO. SHUT THE HELL UP AND NEVER POST ON THIS SITE AGAIN UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR ASS FLAMED TO OBLIVION.

[snugs]

you made some good points in this article.
the thing is though,some people can't handle the truth,so you get stupid responses ten times longer than your whole article

[snugs]

i think the whole punk scene is a farce,they contradict most things they stand for.(the scene,not the music).
they are anti-establishment,yet are owened by establishments. They sing about how horrible the world is when most of them were probably born in blue colarnieghbourhoods, and wont lift a finger against it. Anarchy is very much a pipe dream. there is so much crime in the world we live in now,let alone with NO government or police,and ppl wouldnt just live by the rules out of the goodness of there heart.

[InquisitorJimbo]

i am a great fan of the original punk (sex pistols and the like), but im from GB, and we had more of a grip on the Punk scene than America. the original players of punk from GB sent out the message "You don't have to be grat at the guitar or singing in order to put a meaning full point across to the nation", but it was like a giant game of Chinese Whispers, with the jumbled up message of "we don't have to be good at anything in order to get rich".
Take the Sex Pistols, amazing fiery riffs and meaningful lyrics (Bodies, a song against abortion). the look at what America produces, The Ramones. Crappy riffs and lyrics widely used by insomniacs as a cure. "All the kids wanna sniff some glue, all the kids want somthing to do" mmmmmm great meaning guys!!!
The modern , so-called punk is just a waste of space. The first few bands (whoever they were) who started speaking out against Bush's action i had respect for, but now the anti bush bandwagon is being pilled on and crushed by bands wanting 5 minutes of fame, and all the money they can scrounge.
So what do i think punk is for? Punk is for the newbies who just start out with bands. They may not be any good, but they could have amazing arguments to put across to teenagers, a group of people who probable don't watch the news, or read newspapers to find out the latest political or otherwise social arguments.
Punk is a genre, a type of music that so long as theres a fan base for it, it will always be around. No forum on one site is gonna stop punk.



.....or thats my view any way!!!

[sential]

geez, I couldn't read all this.. but I did read the article, so here's my two cents....

Okay punk..its punk. Its not meant to be quote "good". Its like self expression. Its sorta like those weird blurry photos in art galleries. People are like "that's not art". But whose to say what is art, or what is music. Its punk, it simple , 3 chord progressions. Its a way of starting out. Many people stay with it and are "punk" for the rest of their lives. Others move on, and basically are "punk influenced" What happens when you get good at playing your instruments, is you naturally almost progress past punk and start doing other things. Sure for every good punk band there's a thousand shitty ones. That's the way it is.

I'm not even going to start on metal, cause every ***ing time I hear that shit, they are either trying to cross it with rap, or they are completely un comprehensible as to what they are saying with their growling antics, and for the last ***ing time, i'm tired of hearing 5 minute guitar solos. That shit is annoying. I mean so what, if you can play technically fast, put some heart into it.

[InquisitorJimbo]

Theres i guy i know, been around since the beginning of punk, with the sex pistols his main influence. He has become too good on the guitar to just settle with playing a few old punk numbers, but he is still a true beliver in punk. His possetions include a les paul, Flying-V, and 2 Marshal Stacks. he has no tv, no radio, no pc, nothing more than the basics, a shitter and a fridge. yet, his life is more meaningful than anyone else's i know. He has lived for punk, still is with his leather jacket black geanes and long greased back hair. After becoming mates with this guy, you cannot tell me that there is nothing in punk, with belivers like this guy still heavily into it!

[BurNW73]

this stuff is gettin crazy... and its been goin on for days........ I LOVE IT! heh. anyway, i'm a punk-hater and you can tell by what ive posted in here previously. i understand you guys' views from the standpoint that everyone has their own taste. i think this article was written to protest these views though. ahh, but do not flame me yet, because i have something to say about punk (for once). I understand where you guys are coming from when you say that suicidal tendencies is a great band... and they were!and even their bassist understood that punk isnt that great, and moved to metallica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! MWUHAHAHAHA! lmao. just messin. i dont feel like fightin with you guys anymore cuz it (like punk) is like beating a dead horse. you can see what i said if you look up there to yesterdays posts at around 845
i will be reading this to see how many punks keep fighting for their music. i think its interesting reading these posts... oh and i dont think i said it before, GREAT ARTICLE DUDE!

[megaderrick]

it's obvious by now that nobody here is going to change their opinions on this subject. the punk fans will keep loving punk, and the rest of us will keep hating it. oh well, that's just the way of the weasel. also, stop trying to bash metal...there's more out there than just metallica and nu-metal and rap metal. don't criticize what you don't understand...

BURDEN BROTHERS ROCK

[stratslinger15]

Well you shouldn't critcize punk then cuz u obviously don't undrstand it.

[stratslinger15]

I think anybody who says they hate a cetain gnre shouldn't even be a musician. Musicians should be open to all forms of music and just because they aren't parcial to a certain genre doesn't mean they should go around saying it sucks. I mean obviously it doesn't suck if millions love it and live by it. And that goes for any genre. And I remmber someone saying something about punk having lyrics that don't even mean anything. That is definately not true. Come on your a musician you should know that every song means something to someone. I'm sorry if it doesn't do something fo you, but don't hate it for that. Just have some respect for it because it is a work of art.

[crackdaddycaine]

stratslinger15,
thats really the only smart reply out of this whole article

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

yeah, i agree stratslinger15 has one great reply. well put!

[invertedflag]

Heres an idea before you state your opinion get some reality to base it on. Listen to some actual punk instead of basing your opinion on pop punk crap . That is like us basing our opinion of metal purely on hair metal . and yes i know alot of faux punks and they the ones i see wering all black just trying to shout to people that there "punk" . Some of the most punk people i know dont even consider themselves punk
And if you want to talk about a sellout look int he direction of metallica

[megaderrick]

stratslinger15, did i criticize punk? i don't think so...i just said that i hate it. when i say that i hate it, it's based on personal opinion, i don't care how talented or not talented the musicians are--i just don't like the sound of it just the same as lots of you don't like hearing long guitar solos. i respect punk bands, and all musicians (except weird al) for the mere fact that they are expressing themselves how they want to. the fact that i don't like their sound doesn't mean i'm not open-minded...just look at my media library. i listen to everything from slayer, in flames, shadows fall, and megadeth to our lady peace, foo fighters, weezer, incubus... music is good.

[crackdaddycaine]

music IS good well said

[HENROID]

HEY LOOK AT THIS THE POST COMMENT BOX HAS MORE STUFF. OH BUT ANYWAYS LISTEN I THINK THAT WRITING THESE PERSONAL ARTICLES LIKE THIS AREN'T WORKING TOO WELL FOR THE WRITER. I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART THERE'S NEGATIVE REACTIONS. O WELL. LISTEN MAN, DON'T CONCENTRATE ON THE NEW "PUNK" WHICH IS A WASTE OF TIME, BUT IF U WANT TO JUDGE REAL PUNK LISTEN TO OPERATION IVY, MISFITS, AND SOME CLASH, THEN JUDGE

[ibentmywookie]

this article sucks. way to back up your opinions with yet even more opinions and made up facts.

[thebrad]

this article is so terroribly bad. what punk are u listening to go listen to some misfits, nofx, wizo etc all of these bands are amazing and havnt sold out

[niccyishot]

I want to say something good but it seem's everyone else has bitched enough for me.......................
....
BurNW73 said about Blink 182's song's, their song's are for fun, humour to make people laugh showing how fun music can be instead of just being another whiny "my girl hate's me i'm gay i suck large amount's of cock for payment and pleasure" band's

[afireinside]

Jesus I wish everyone would jus stop slaggin of other genres, accept that music is different not everyone likes what you like, And I dont know one punk that couldnt name a punk band that hasnt sold out, and look at travis barker and say that the punk drummers are nothing spectacluar. I could write an article slaggin off metalers but im not going to because however much I think some of its shit other people like it and there is talent in it, punk isnt ment to be complicated with guitar solos etc it wouldnt be punk otherwise. The technicality of punk is in its simplicity.

[afireinside]

I jus read that xxgenocide98xx said afi suck, wel you can go suck yourself asswipe, listen to some afi lyrics and tell me the there pointless and shallow with no hidden meaning or whatever listen to black sails in the sunset and tell me the guitar drones on, Listen to davey havok sing then say he cant sing and afi does have guitar and bass solos so get your fuking facts write and do you research before you go making comments like that you dikhead. Read this and tell me punk lyrics are shallow.

Let's admire the pattern forming. Murderous filigree.
I'm caught in the twisting of the vine. Go ascend with ivy, climbing.
Ignore and leave for me the headstone crumbling behind. I can't help my laughter as she cries.
My soul brings tears to angelic eyes.
Let's amend the classic story, close it so beautifully, I'll let animosity unwind.
Steal away the darkened pages, hidden so shamefully. I'll still feel the violence of the lines.
I can't stand my laughter as they cry. My soul brings tears to angelic eyes.
And miles away my mother cries. Omnipotence, nurturing malevolence.

[be-back]

Look dude everyone replied more than 2 times(well some posts were deleted by big brothers.)

Plus you got more than 40 votes

Hey good times !!

[superdupergirl]

Wow. If you want to make people angry, talk to them about music. You'd think all these articles and posts were about the murder of small children, not music prefrences.

[negative]

screw you asswipe. you're basically discriminating aginst certain people, including myself, and i dont like it. its just as bad as hating african americans or homosexuals. and you're also a hypocrit. you go on and on about how you dont like punk, and then you say you listen to punk, and have a punk girlfriend. guess what pussy? no one cares about you're damn opinion, because you're just ranting stupid opinions that you claim are facts. you shouldn't even be on this board twat.

[Hellraizer31990]

as sum1 else has sed it just depends on wht the personlikes...not what u like...and ur a fag

[birdman]

punk takes no talent. I could play through most punk songs when i was 10. It's for people that like the fact that they can say they are in a band. The genre started off good, and i understand there are a few punk bands out there that play more then just 4 power chords, but for the most part, punk sucks. Dont think i'm bias or anything either, i started playing punk because it was easy when i first started playing, but as i grew, i realized it sucked, and i moved on to better things

[Murray4920]

you're just as bad as the fake kids, Metal doesn't have to have guitar solos, Metal is just angry potent music. Punk is more aimed towards being agnostic and social and political views. Get your 11 year old generic views off of this site

[c.g.]

PUNK SUCKS NOWDAYS.ITS NOT EVEN PUNK.

[Rhoads]

he mentions sellout bands and then says metallicas good......

[Banned4life]

You can say what you want, people who think its beating a dead horse, aren't in the scene. And with out PUNK bands like the misfits, your beloved metallica wouldn't exist. We're not going anywhere, ya F!cktard

[~King_Of_Foolz~]

.... sigh.. you know what the greatest thing is about an article like this and the billions of half assed posts it gets in return?... the fact that u don't actually have to hear everyone say all this crap.. plus... you can just skip about 90% of the posts because they all say one of two things...A) punk sux or B)punk is the best... frankly i find it extremely funny just reading through all these... but anyhow.... getting to the point..... i'm all for freedom of speech and fully behind people havin their own opinions.. but the matter of the fact is... (insert any band here... regradless of genre) do not suck.. you may not like them.. and your entitled to your opinion.. but i repeat, they do not suck.. i'm sure plenty of peoeple like them... and they don't suck.. i don't think i can make it any more simpler than that.... one more thing.... prop to all the people who write "useful" articles...

[mcww1]

Hey man I totally agree not only about the music puts you to sleep but just "punks" in gerneral... they think there all baddasses walkin around in there cains and mohawks

lol I asked my friend the same thing... Why punk? Punk is dead... and he went on about how he use to be punk and now hes "striaght edge" what ever the hell that is.... its all the same... just people being rejected by other cooler people and wanting to stand out

[roach_head04]

u so forgot black sabbath man

[billiejoe_dirnt]

oh man!!!!
this article is gay
why would anyone be such a d*ck to write a crappy article like this
someone should tell us what we really want to know
not how some d*ckl doesnt like punk

[Bassman13]

i agree with the guy above me, there aren't enough curses, and words describing stupidy to even border-line the raw idiocy of the moron that wrote this ***ing article, my suggestion, take it off the site

[bottledviolence]

REPLY---WHY METAL,why blues,why rap,why cunt-ry.Who cares its music.BUT....,Punk was and for some people still is a way of life.Its got nothing to do with the way you look,its a state of mind.Punk came from the phrase I DON'T CARE......and exactly they don't care most of the time.They don't care enough to sit down for hours and perfect this one song so everybody else can like it.I bet you a song is written in a matter of minutes by most real punk bands,cuz they're pissed off about something and again they don't care what you've got to say about it.I'm not a punk because labeling is f**king stupid.WHY punk you say? Because i like to blast it at partys and break shit,most of the time it doesn't go much further than that but sometimes i'll find a song that just says exactly what i want to or its just simply bad ass.I,ME,NOT YOU,like it and i really don't know why.I'm not gonna give you a bunch of reasons to like it because 1--i don't give a shit about you and 2--i don't know you.Why do you listen to the bands you do huh? Tell ME why.You want somebody to come on here and try to convince you that punk doesn't suck-FUCK YOU-.IF you think punk DOESN'T have solos,meaningful lyrics,is generally slower than rock or metal,and is just talentless teenagers who care more about the way they look than music or to have something to say.THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT.Like many said your not listening close enough or your not listening to the right stuff.I won't name bands for you cuz i don't think they would want ignorant people like you listening.Your ignorant,your talking to the wrong people,your listening to the wrong bands and your to young and uneducated to get the big picture.So tell me why you listen to what you do.Give me plausable reasons why i should run out and buy a hendrix cd other than the guitar work.You talk shit on my music with ignorance,but i talk back with an open mind and clenched fists.Don't write articles when you don't know what your talking about.You don't know anything about punk so don't criticize it you ignorant jackass.PUNK IS DEAD in the minds of mtv watching, radio listening narrow minded fools.It lives in garages,backyard partys,violent pits,in the heart of passinate punk pureists,i could go on and on but i will say it doesn't live in anything you've ever seen or heard ,or ever will.I like zepplin,metallica,pink floyd,hendrix etc..but i'm not bashing them.I'm saying WHY them? What the hell kind of answer do you want,your not gonna get any better understanding of it from pissed people blabbing back about which bands and certain songs,its your opinion and made up mind thats stupid and ignorant to begin with. I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME ......IGNORANT!!!!

[bottledviolence]

OH YEAH I'M STUPID,THERE I SAID IT FOR YOU.

[flx]

hi xxgenocide98xx
i think in some ways you're right but not in all you said.
so you said punk died... thats right i think there are no punks left. with punks i mean not those kiddies who listen to blink and call themself as "ultra-punk" or so. anyway, you said punk-rock has horrible, pointless and meaningless lyrics, well i must say that most of the bands i listen to (old german bands) have got lyrics with a meaning. when the band thinks that the system is ***ed up then why write a song about that??? everybody has his own meaning....
the reason i listen to punk-rock is that i agree with that what tey wanted to say. punk is a way of life... it is fun to hang around listen to it, it is fun to go on concerts and dance, the people are nice. thats why i listen to punk-rock!
please apologize the bad english im german :P
Flx "POGO, POGO, PATZ, PATZ"

[politicsNpunk]

bottledviolence Said it perfectly how it should have been, i salute you.

[NoBC14]

How about this... Why NOT punk?

[Me09]

i like to eat blueberry pie

[NoBC14]

... is there such a thing

[StupidLoserGuy7]

This isn't even an article. It's just idiotic hate-mongering. I don't particularly like Metal, but I don't go around telling everyone that every metal band sucks. Write about something useful next time.

[StupidLoserGuy7]

and hell, Why NOT punk?

[StupidLoserGuy7]

oh, someone already said that. Oops.

[Destari]

your aticle can be neatly summed up into one neanderthal's contradictory statement here so far:

c.g.:
PUNK SUCKS NOWDAYS.ITS NOT EVEN PUNK.

ah, thank you c.g.

Now; I'm not punk fan myself - i probably couldn't string two coherent punk-related sentences together, but hey. Thats not going to stop me from telling you how wrong you are.

Theres this thing that journalists and critics do, its called 'unbiasedness.' Try it sometime. They also 'write with style, wit, character, grace and concede good points.' Again, you fail to do so. PLEASE never write another article again, it really isn't worth the ritual humiliation from just about anyone with a voice.

"how you punks tick."

What a stupid, stupid thing to say. They're people with amusical taste, not terrorists. People have musical taste - you stay with your rather appealing mishmash of prog rock, classic rock and *spit* metal, eh?

While we're at it, why don't you tell me why you love metal? I'd love to find out how you metalheads tick.

[dkaddicts]

i read half the article and i came to the conclusion that you are stupid, punk is fast than most metal bands, except for those little trendy ass pop punk band. singing about death and shit that seems kind of pointless who cares what happens when we ***in die. lets worry about the moment, corruption in the goverment, taking care of the poor. all that stuff. wow you piss me off

[JimmyEatWorldSP]

genocide.... ignorant fool, i pity the way you criticize people for having opinions. You have no respect for free speech and thought even though you are using it in that article...

[af4ceoxlite]

I think this article is narrow minded. To say that punk has no meaning in the lyrics, no solos, yada yada yada, is a stupid comment. Punk bands put just as much time into their music as Metallica does theirs. Metallica is a good band, unfourtunately, I can't listen to them all of the time because their songs are so long. Granted, the solos and riffs are absolutely amazing, but sometimes there's nothing better than a catchy chorus.
I like all kinds of music (except country, mostly because the songs are so depressing... "I lost my wife, my car, my dog, my house... etc.") I think that a good musician should respect all kinds of music for what it is. And, respectively, draw from all kinds of music.

[Brand Nizzle182]

LISTEN TO BLINK 182

[uragooch33]

you wont read this but dude who the *** care it doesnt matter that someone sings like a prepubecent teenybopper or has a stupid looking mohawk we have our music and style and you have yours

[halo3848]

I thought this b.s. was already over with.

[mileman]

u want a punk band that hasn't sold out- Social Distortion hasn't-- therr pure punk, no one can touch mike ness with his vocals and yeah, there are solos.
Brand Nizzle182: ur a dumass, blink sux an its not punk

[RxKx]

You guys want some freakin rad punk listen to MxPx they might be just a tad bit poppy but thier lyrics have meaning and they have an original style.

[RxKx]

plus who cares if stuffs "real" punk as long as you like it i dont think other people should care about what you like. (as long as they arent posers, posers really piss me off)

[murdock]

"The band is able to pull it right out of you as if it had a giant-sized handle of some sort. "
that's just so poetic. jesus.

[Trainwreck555]

Everyone nowadays thinks that blink and rancid and shit is punk but its not, Punk is the voids, cheap sex, funeral dress, sham 69, the virus and the list goes on. Just leave all this complaining about punk to your parents. All this fighting is ***ing retarted

[brody dalle]

*** u cunt punk rox listen to the ramones, the exploited, iggy pop, black flag, social distortion,misfits, these are true bands who dont need ten minute solos to make their music any good

[NoBC14]

xxgenocide98xx = pompous, stuck up, arrogant, opinionated ***tard

Dude if i was ur girlfriend and saw this i would soo shove my foot so far up your ass u squeeled... go to hell

[NoBC14]

and im not even a girl...

[LaminaAbIntra]

Why do people try to tell other people what music is? People like music for different reasons, just because you dont understand it doesnt make crap. Thats why there is variety in music, because different types of people make and listen to music that reflects their personality. to tell someone that what they listen to isnt music is just plain stupid, music is personal and when people find other people that listen to and make music that appeals to the same taste it makes personal connections not trends. So who really is to judge whats music?

[ashiplabeldhope]

this got me thinking and i have two things to say:
1. Punk nowadays does not suck (at least the true punk music anyways.) Good Charlotte and Simple Plan are two bands that are called "punk", but they should be more appropriately called powerpop. Now what do I refer to when i say "true punk"? Punk has a complex history to it; it has many factions and sub-genres to it. I think the purest example of the evolution of punk is the growing emo/hardcore music scene. Bands such as Coheed and Cambria, THRICE, Funeral for a Friend, At the Drive-In, The Mars Volta, Thursday, and many others are a perfect example.
2. "True punk" is far superior to modern metal.

[ashiplabeldhope]

Hell its superior to led zepplin, metallica, but not Jimi. Oldies rock hardcore too.

[ShaDoweR]

i just wanna know why your name is a former punk bands song.....?

[ShaDoweR]

And by the way if you reckon punk is all pathetic little teeny boppers who pick up a guitar, listen to some AFI then try and play the leaving song pt.II, and they are by no means my favourite band but they play some good shit, some of its easy to play and some of its not. and for ***s sake LISTEN TO FRENZAL RHOMB, the greatest australian punk band ever they have the lyrics, leads bass solos and best of all they play FAST and hard (download Frenzal Rhomb - Do you wanna fight me, and see if you can play that you stupid ignorant prick.

[bigmattbrown]

you know what? *** it. ive had enough of this shit. if these cunts are so ***ing narrow-minded so as not to be able to accept the fact that people have different opinions on things, and to be able to construct an argument beyond 'punk sucks donkey dick' or 'blink rule', then they arent worth my time or energy. ive had enough of this shit, and its time to move on and think of something constructive to say, or get the hell out of the forum, cos biased posts make up about 85% of the stuff on here, and thats if you dont include the article. Think about what youre writing BEFORE you write it, otherwise youre just going to come across as a small minded ***wit. and yes i do realise the irony of this post, before anyone asks.

[ShaDoweR]

ps get The used - Box full of sharp objects as well biiatch

[JimmyJackrabbit]

I haven't really got anything to say, i just wanna add a post and congratulate you all on making this possibly the longest page I've ever scrolled down...
I'm gonna go write a shitty article on music I hate and see if I can cop just a little more shit than this guy.

[o3jox]

well, um, i am just one person here, and im only 14, but i like all of the bands mentioned by anyone, who has disagreed or agreed with the first guy who wrote the article. I am also in a band,and we are all pretty good musicians, and at first we called it a punk band but i also like other types of music, so i add a little lead in there too,now we are just kind of our own style. but anyways, the point i am trying to make, is all people like their style of music, and there is no reason for anyone to hate what is punk or what punk has become because if you are truly a musician, then you will respect other musicians no matter what the case because they have worked hard to get where they are. i have many a nofx cd in my collection, but as i am typing, i am downloading a motley crew song, but ya, thats all i have to say. (sorry for the lousy typing) peace&love (to all musicians and all kinds of music)

[suckthafystem00]

awesomedude89:
question.
have you ever listened to punk? because from what ive heard in your full of shit article you have no FUCKING clue what your talking about. no FUCKING solos, are you on crack? maybe if you looked up what your talking about in the big bad boog of punk, it would tell you that your a jack ass. and suckthafystem00 you are my hero"

haha! im someone's hero! wo0t wo0T! and yeah, good charlotte, simple plan, maroon 5, and other bands i catagorize as "Fag" (its their own genre) are bringing on the downfall of punk, punk is not bringing it upon itself, jackass.

[tricked_tdog]

Ok ok ok, some of the music today that people call "punk" isnt punk. like good charlotte, blink 182 (but their awesome musicians), simple plan, the list goes on. and some of the songs arnt meaninful at all your right. but listen to Thursday's new album War all the time, or how about anti-flag's The Terror State. yes, in my opinion, yellowcard suck. but their still good musicians and some people like them. and why do people listen to punk? its different.. well the good stuff is. bands like The Casualties, The Unseen, None More Black, Thursday, Anti-flag, AFI, Tiger Army, they all are good punk. so shut up.

[tricked_tdog]

oh ya i forgot, i dont just like punk. i like:
incubus, tracey chapman (thats right), 311, inflames, hoobastank, the list goes on.
so dont be just to one genre, try em all.

[ClassicalGtr015]

i used to like punk but now its all generic! the days when i used to turn on kroq and listen to the mindless chanting about anarchgy or what not i think how crapy music has become

[guitardude72565]

good article i hate punk

[scumfuc_69]

Hey, I believe in anarychy....however it would be unsuccessful because many people couldn't handle it.
Anarchy is real freedom, & real freedom requires responsibility.
There are still a lot of good punk bands today, & that
doesn't include the MTV, or major-label shit.
If you have a computer, which you all apparently do,
why don't you try looking for new ones....

[felixpotvin86]

majority of punks arent sell outs, you cant name more than one or two mainstream punk bands that actually represent the basis behind punk music; social conscious, simple catchy riffs, sometimes some guitar wizardry, and a whole lotta passion. Blink or Good Charlotte definitely are as faux punk as you get. But what metalheads shoudl find funny is that, metallica fought napster...they are the biggest f*cking sell outs you will ever witness, i never heard of pantera, ac/dc, or metallica fighting high ticket prices. have you ever heard of fugazi, they are a very popular punk group, alittle eccentric, but they fought ticketmaster, they arent greedy assholes trying to charge you $60.oo a show like metallica. And some metalhead has deemed the majority of punk music crap. well you cant honestly say the majority of metal music is good, or even palatable, metal has metallica and pantera to stand up for them, and punk has bands like green day, offspring, sex pistols(meaningful lyrics), Clash(meaningful lyrics), and in my opinion nirvana as well. there is a balance and evrything that can be said against punk can be said against metal. and as far as trashing kids in mohawks who are white and have a society that favours them, yet they still rebel and still realize things are so unfair for everyone else, isnt very bright. everyone who shares this ignorant cnn induced view should f*ck off and go have a circle jerk to home made incest porno they made with their cousins, you kkk supporting nazi's. last time i recalled a bunch of kids in mohawks with anarchy symbols painted on their jackets talking about equal rights and generally treating each other kindly isnt sucha bad thing. if you oppose it then just think about how that reflects on you, but as if you care you are white and probably have things going your way so i guess thos epunks are a bad things they are gonna speak out for the oppressed and make some progress with changing peoples thoughts and you wont have your white supremacy you stupid ignorant metalheads...ps i actually like straight hardcore wailing classic rock and grunge than metal or punk...i actually dont like most metal or punk but you guys have to wake up and realize not everyone is gonna dig the same shit...the kid in the mohawk is probably the nicest kindest most caring person youll ever meet...

[felixpotvin86]

i apologixe for the incoherency...also i didnt mean to slam metal but it seemed liek that, metal has its good and bad the same way punk does and it applies to every genre so just keep that mind. peace!

[felixpotvin86]

f*ck me i love to see what i wrote, im such a self righteous sh1t but why would people get sick of hearing about anarchy? and what songs these days would even go as deep as to sing about anarchy?...and just so all of us are sure...suburbia doesnt even exist in most of the world...in fact the projects which all the white people shudder when they think about are quite beautiful compared to most of the world are racist, greedy, conservative government opresses...if some of you anarchist haters learned just the smallest bit about activism and awarenss your world would kicked the shit out of completely and youd likely be a new person...maybe even grow a mohawk and a big f*cking A on the back of your jacket....

also there is no need to bash me until you do this or you just another wise ass like me with no brain

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

birdman:
punk takes no talent. I could play through most punk songs when i was 10. It's for people that like the fact that they can say they are in a band. The genre started off good, and i understand there are a few punk bands out there that play more then just 4 power chords, but for the most part, punk sucks. Dont think i'm bias or anything either, i started playing punk because it was easy when i first started playing, but as i grew, i realized it sucked, and i moved on to better things

(I don't know if i qupted that right)You were able to play punk when you were 10?? man if you could play songs like homeless, a child and his lawn mower, nazi punks, dancing through sunday, and the days of the phoenix on guitar at 10 years... you gotta be a child prodigy cause I can barely get through half those songs now! I applaude your stereotyping of how all punk is just powerchords.

[TiMaRmStRoNg101]

ok, i accept it, Im an idiot lol. i see now you dont think all punk is power chords after reading through your whole post. so take out the applauding part of my post

[NoBC14]

Does Linkin Park count as punk?

[StupidLoserGuy7]

Let's just divide this into, "Good Music" and "Bad Music". 'Cos that's all it is nowadays.

[StupidLoserGuy7]

ADDITION: Listen to Radiohead and the Smashing Pumpkins.

[OnspringFan]

aright first off, that stupid ass kid who said "rap rocks, punk sux" is just...retarded. rap takes no skill; whatsoever. to rap, heres what u need: a du-rag or 3, about 5 straight rimmed baseball hats(this is all worn at the same time), and a studio w/ a sound board to make all your sounds. rap takes no talent, i say again. and for all of you who say punk today is not defined by good charlotte and blink, your wrong. tahts what people think punk is. real punk is Offspring, NOFX, Green Day, and yes, to contradict one person's comment, SUM 41. all these bands could, if they wanted to, play metal just as good as metallica. they all solo, their drummers are all good. if you dont believe me listen to any of Offsprings cds(except their new one), Noodles is an amazing guitarrist. thats all ive got to say, anyone who disagrees w/ me doesnt know the first thing about playing guitar.

[POTSIE023]

i like the part about all the replys where like 2 people agree with him, and the rest of the world is against him. haha i also love how he keeps trying to defend himself by contradicting what he said in the article. music is what you appreciate yourself, it has nothing to do with solos or lyrics, if it brings you joy to listen to then its music. so just stop bitching on most of the people in america who like the "crap" that you dislike, cuz theres a lot of people who dont like the bands you mentioned as good. plus i dont think you should be able to complain about people who can afford nice stuff when you probably have to ask your mommy to make you a sandwhich for lunch. and selling out has nothing to do with anything when the idea is to make money, not to be "your band". look around dude, have an open mind and stop pissing people off with your rambling.

[vlvtundgrnd77]

ahahah this is soooo juvinile....... come on now, music is about how meaningful it is to the listener black flag? fugazi? meaningul song writing not only that but patti smith and television...these are all meaningful to many people..why try to take that away from us

[StupidLoserGuy7]

Potsie: Well Said.
Velvet Underground: Dude...what?

[spitfirebass]

Come on man, Have you ever heard of Sum 41. They play fast and they have solos. It's not cool to go around and criticize people about the kind of music they listen to.

[Ken Boston]

PUNK FUCKIN SUCKS

[spitfirebass]

i suppose you listen to country KEN?

[parachutes108]

punk sux

[garagerocker69]

aright, enough with the genocide bashing.
if you do happen to look at the comments again genocide, the answer to your "real" question is that the supposedly shitty bands that you are talking about are the more mainstream ones. dig deeper, and find some less known punk bands. those are the reasons people like punk. then you see bands like (no offense guys) rancid and afi getting a whole lotta attention, and o whole bunch of other people get into that cuz theyre (sorta) mainstream. i say thats ok, cuz there have to be people like that. but you should bash music cuz u think it sucks....except rap.

[garagerocker69]

**shouldnt

[Haywire_DoF]

alright xxgenocide98xx here is your answer.
Punk was a social group that originated from england in the 70's. but you probably already knew that. so i'll skip the history lesson and get to the point. Why Punk? is what you ask. Punk because there are outcasts that dont fit in to a particular group. you are correct that punk is more of a lifestyle. but not all punk is about leather and studs and mohawks. you see punk in the stereotypical way with he orange mowhawk and the what not. punk is more than that. i consider myself a punk and i dont have a mohawk, and i dont wear leather and studs.i wear what i like. punk is an outlet for freedom of expression. as far as the music goes, who are you to say it is crappy, and who are you to label someone a sell out. just because someone becomes popluar (i.e.:matallica) doesnt make them a sell out. you can't control what people like and dont like. if an underground band comes out into the mainstream its because people just happen to like them. to call the sex pistols sell outs is wrong because the do what the feel is right to them. And for saying afi sux.....jade pudget is an awesome guitarist and if you can do with your voice what davey havok can do with his, then i commend you. Sure there is some punk out there that lacks solos and vocals and what ever else you complained about. but punk doesnt lack a message. you think the ounk is all about anti-conformity, and its not, it is about self expression. You take a message and see just the anti-conformity ande miss the point, all punks are saying is dont be what someone else wants you to be, be yourself and live your own life. Me personally i have no problem with any type of music, if a group of guys gets together and does something they love, who are we to tell them that they suck. the point i am trying to make it, why punk? because maybe it just what people like,...maybe it is unexplainable. if there is a lack of musicality, like you say, then fine punk is a lesser form of music, but you have no right to critisize punk because you think it is lesser. I personally think punk is on a level that todays youth can relate to. punk is an outlet to express feelings. maybe they are non conformist, but if you look deeper maybe they are just a search for identity and self worth, maybe that is what punk is about.

[Mike_e87]

saying that punk lyrics dont have meaning to them is stupid and a bunch of bullshit. The new shit like GC and every other "punk band" the emerged in 02-03 sucks and has no meaning, but if you listen to greendays dookie theres no way you can say the lyrics have no meaning, you need to study a little befor you go off running you mouth about shit you dont even know

[rage_725]

I agree 100% with this column. Punk is the biggest load of crap ive ever heard. I have never heard a punk song that i classify as good. Punk bands use the same damn powerchords for 3 minutes straight, in every song they ever right, the songwriting is pointless and meaningless, there is no feeling in the songs, theres no guitar solos, and offspring does not have guitar solos, theyre more like bridges. The songwriting, singing, guitar playing, bass playing, drumplaying and puting it all together is all terrible. PUNK SUX!!!!!!!

[lovetorock]

your one stupid f*ck you dont know crap about punk and your article blows

[descendent1]

i like punk, because it pisses people like you off

[GibsonTheGuitar]

Holy ****,
suckthafystem00 is me... I completely agree with everything he is saying and also listen to his bands...
For starters, punk is a F****** genre, it can't die...
Genres change, and some get tired out, that is why other genres are created, with differences, to keep the music world moving. Genocide keeps saying that punk is just dodgy rock... hey dipshit, think, lets say there are 6 strings on a guitar with 24 notes that repeat the same scale after 10... Most music based on a 4 4 time signature, 30-40 years of rock and what the hell do you expect them to come up with. New styles are what needs to spring up and be different because the more original styles of music are starting to get exhausted. No genre is perfect right? So why expect punk to be. Punk is good because people feel they can relate to it. Punk is good because the music that is created expresses emotions and mood. The lyrics are good because people can connect. Now, Metal is awesome as well, right, and I went through a stage of being obsessed with Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, ect ect all great bands. However, I'm 15, I don't have a Cocaine addiction, I'm not afraid of the dark, and I do not plan on landing myself in a secret government hangar. I CAN NOT relate to any of this stuff, and while the riffs are good fun to play on guitar, they dont have much meaning at all either. Solos are cool, but in the end its just someone playing some well constructed notes fast, and I have full respect for these people, but it doesnt really mean anything. The reason I moved on to punk, more so the hardcore side and the emo side, is because I could relate to it a little more.

Does anyone else feel that Greenday arent so much a punk band?
And also while writing this and thinking about all the ins and outs of metal bands....I swear to god they are all pirates....
One last thing, you wanna hear a whiny bitch singing? Listen to some Megadeth...

-CWR

[xxgenocide98xx]

I ***in hate megadeth, and punk isnt changing anything, it sucks ass. Its ***ing shitty music all over and over again, its the same bunch of shit. Its nice to know there are enough trendy dolts on earth to listen to it. You people are ***in dolts.

[cjbo114]

they way you see punk now is not much different from the way it used to be.... todays bands ahve basically the same point of view and point their music in the dame direction as all the older bands... and for you who call these people stupid your a little bitch for saying so

[Define_"punk"]

hahahaha xxxgenocide98xx is starting to break whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge.. go have a cry assface!

[Blink_me_42]

DAM!!!!!!!!! I have officailly had enough of all you retards dragging punk down. I partially agree with the part about the mo-hawks, but punks dress how they want, to look different, and if thats what they r doin, then they are kewl. As for you, if you could take your hand off your pin long ebough to check out punk from all angles, not just the sell-out, washed up punk bands, you'll see what we maen when we say "PUNKS NOT DEAD"!!!!!!!!!!!

[cantbuymelove]

Lol Punk is a word, shoulda never been affiliated with music. End comment.

Punks are assholes. Bullies and people you hate in high school. They don't make money like you think they do. I could tell you one person that is PUNK-like, but I wouldn't want some people to like him because of that. If he was still alive he'd prolly smash all your faces in for thinking you know music. Lol And if punk is the "fastest notes wise" then well blah on you. Check out Van Halen - Eruption. Let's see your "punks" play that.

[cantbuymelove]

Lol Punk is a word, shoulda never been affiliated with music. End comment.

Punks are unliked. Bullies and people you hate in high school. They don't make money like you think they do. I could tell you one person that is PUNK-like, but I wouldn't want some people to like him because of that. If he was still alive he'd prolly smash all your faces in for thinking you know music. Lol And if punk is the "fastest notes wise" then well blah on you. Check out Van Halen - Eruption. Let's see your "punks" play that.

[cantbuymelove]

Oh crap now it comes up Woohoo I am leet at double-posting. Not my fault its the thing.

[Inert]

The writer of the article is a sanctamonious little cunt, who falsely believes he has an insight to something. I hate him just for the use of the term 'sell out' in the context in which he using it In the 'sold out' words of Green day he should *** off and die.

[blinkinvader182]

dude, dont speak unless you know what you're talkin about, have you ever heard of Rufio, they have awesome riffs and solos, even blink 182 has bass and guitar solos and if you ever see them live their drummer rises in the air and spins around (whoever went to pop disaster knows what im sayin) all im really trying to say is that punk is awesome, no i dont dress up in spikes and safety pins and i dont necesarily agree with it and no it doesnt make you punk but if someone wants to do it let them, it's the ***in metalheads who dress up like they wanna kill somebody and the ***in goths who are so depressed, the people who listen to punk are probably happier than people who listen to anything else, so pull your head out of your ass and look around jackass! the world would be a much better place if people like you werent here!

[cantseetheglory]

hey, im not standing here in spikey hair and looking how you described punk, the problem is that you proved yourself right when you said noone knows about punk bands that havent sold out, and you probly dont either, you say theres no bass solos or guitar solos, most of the cd's i have solos in almost every song, and the lyrics are meaningful, i listen to led zepplin and honestly alot of punk is more meaningful as far as lyrics then led zepplin, the problem is the new trend your talking about, and i agree it is SHIT, i dont like it either but you probly havent heard the good stuff which is still out there, and when you say punk is slower metal, IT ISNT, alot of metal ive heard is much slower than punk rock, if you've ever listened to any street punk you'd know what i mean,

and also some kids just proved you right buy having kids commment about punk rock that have Blink182 in thier name, that is crap and the whole punk trend is really stupid they just took a bunch of bands that have no talent or meaning to thier songs, bought them some clothes at hot topic and called it punk cuz it sells, i am actively in a real punk scene and i am in a punk band and we do play music that requires some work, not just simple 4 chord songs, yes punk is more basic than metal but that is what it was started for, and no punk song is ever 4 minutes long like you say most punk are relitively short, and the led zepplin comparison, i have friend that can play the entire stairway to heaven song but cnat play the basline to some of our favorite punk songs because they are too difficult, so yeah just wanted to let you know

[distorted_order]

punk is heartless? well where's the heart in some slipknot-crap? and maybe you just heard some american wannabe punkbands but that's not everything. ever heard wizo, for example? their guitar solos are awesome and their drummer... he's mad. he uses parts of his body that other people never heard of!!! so don't tell me punk is just silly noise!

and i can tell you why i'm a f***ing punk: because i wanna be myself! and punk gives me the chance to do that! of course there are lots of wannabe-punks in the streets, but punk is not dead! there are still lots of people who get the real meaning of it... and i don't think the writer of this article does so. he has no right to say that punk is dead when he doesnt know what punk is, actually!

excuse me i could write a lot more but my english is not that good...

[alexios]

right man, punk rock's got crappy solos..name a better bassist than Matt Freeman if u can!

[timetraveller02]

The sex pistols and ramones had solos, so whoevers saying they didn't can fück off!

[PinkLedDoors]

a better basist than Matt Freeman, hmmm Noel Redding John Paul Jones

[Haywire_DoF]

listen genocide, by your name alone its obvious you are a Nazi...and most punks hate Nazi's so you picked a fight with a group of people who already hate you, and as far as calling punks dolts...the punk's i know are all smart as anyting, my best friend is a hardcore punk and he is pulling a 4.0 GPA so punks arent dolts and you arent in any position to degrade an entire group in society just because you dont like there music...and the teeny bopper punk you mentioned in your article...thats called Emo...not punk...so yeah. and all you people bashing punk....have i bashed any other form of music..no, i could but im not going to make my self look like the (for lack of a better phrase) asshole. You dont need to degrade a form of music as pointless just because you dont like it. in the big picture most music is pointless...its just entertainment, and if we punks are entertained by it then its good music to us. punk cant appeal to everyone, and if it did what would be the point. so i think you need to drop your crusade for understanding, accept the fact that your girl (cuz this is what this is really all about) is a punk, and get on with your life.

[Haywire_DoF]

hey cantbuymelove um the old image of punks as bullies is kinda dead......if you talk to them...most of them are really cool dudes who dont beat up kids and take thier lunch money

[Stitches_3X]

ok, you know what? everyone needs to relize that there isn't one type of music that's better than any other. just because you prefer a type of music doesn't mean that all the rest suck. my favorite band is Disturbed, but i consider myself a punk on the inside. Punk is something that everyone can relate to b/c everyone wants to rebel against something. I believe that The Virus said it best, "Today's rebellion is tomorrow's freedom."
I like everything from Good Charlotte (yes i said Good Charlotte) to Slayer, and everything in between. i think that it all falls under one category.........music. i respect anyone who is willing to put what they think into words and portray it as a style of music in front of a crowd. you can sit there and say all you want about metal being better than punk, but until you can say that you've accomplished something, shut the *** up and let everyone enjoy what they want without some stuck up asshole saying that they suck for listening to what they like.
i don't listen to anything that doesn't have a meaning behind it. every song has a meaning to it, it just may take a while to get it. and punk, my friends, has a hardcore meaning to it. you should be able to live your life the way you want, no questions asked. rebellion is a state of mind that i find very amusing. i respect anyone willing to say what's on their mind no matter who they're talking to.
so, again, to anyone that thinx one style of music sux, in this case- punk, sit down, shut up, and take the stick out of your ass, and try to understand it for once before you judge it.

[Sebastien]

PUNK WILL STAY IN OUR LIVE FOREVER AND IF IT DOESNT ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPOIMTED

[Sebastien]

PUNK WILL STAY IN OUR LIVE FOREVER AND IF IT DOESNT ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPOINTED

[Sebastien]

PUNK WILL STAY IN OUR LIVE FOREVER AND IF IT DOESNT ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPOINTED

[Sebastien]

PUNK WILL STAY IN OUR LIVE FOREVER AND IF IT DOESNT ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPOINTED

[Sebastien]

PUNK WILL STAY IN OUR LIVE FOREVER AND IF IT DOESNT ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPOINTED

[garagerocker69]

***en hell sebastien stfu

[garagerocker69]

my last post got deleted, so Sebastien, STFU!
also, guys, the guys had enough bashing and shit, just lay off now

[garagerocker69]

no wait my bad

[cantbuymelove]

hey cantbuymelove um the old image of punks as bullies is kinda dead......if you talk to them...most of them are really cool dudes who dont beat up kids and take thier lunch money

Yes no kidding. They are dead. Gone They aren't punks then. LOL

[suckthafystem00]

whoa! i have 2 friends here! gibson guy and the awsome dude... sweet! and to all you people that just say "PUNK FUCKIN SUCKS!" i know you think you're being cool by saying that, but you're not. you're just making yourself look even stupider, because you're stating something and not backing it up with anything. you're like everyone at schools: you talk shit, but can't back it up.

[cantbuymelove]

Just in case you think I don't like the punk style, you are wrong. I like people with their own minds. =D

[cantbuymelove]

G.G. Allin?
Can I not say that?

[Xx_banx]

woa, since when where these buttons here?

[punked_soul]

This is Such a dumb arugement, punk is more than just dumb lyrics and powerchords. They're lyrics had some meaning, Sex Pistols went under Monarchy, they wrote their lyrics about how bad their goverment was. Some punk bands do solo, TSOL has a execellent guitarist and bassist, listen to them and you have a different opinion

[BigCheese]

I didn't even care to finish reading this.

[Nero]

Apparently my post was so long, it was considered spam. So Im stuck as to what to do. I'd really like to get my opinion out there on this one. But its just way to big to post...any ideas?

[Wipers4Ever]

Every ones definition of punk nowaddays comes from the mainstream punk you see on MTV today, THIS IS WRONG!!! that is not punk. Think back to the early eighties and listen to bands like the Pixies or Bad Brains, these are True Punk Bands.

Oh, and I love how you think Metalica has meanigful lyrics, "Turn on, I see red Adrenaline crash and crack my head" WOW, I am learning so much about life.

Oh yeah and there's more to a song than the guitar solo, Metal bands that create a song that is nothing but really quick hammer ons and pull offs are destroying the soul of the song, mistaking flashy guitarsmenship for real music. Punk took music and trimmed it down to its simplest form , and by doing this they made each song as raw and meaningful as it could be without a ten minute solo.

[short2ox]

i think the punk bands that are mainstream are the ones that xxgenocide98xx is trying to criticise because i've heard the Ramones, the Clash and the Pistols and all punk bands that dont suck because they have great powerful political lyrics that speak of what needs to be said. Musicianship aside, i think different bands in different (or even similar)genres shine in different ways. i shall not give examples because i bet i'll be up for some harsh punishment from alll of you if i do. so God bless.

[Klown]

i am not a punk, i think that the local puck bands are untalanted dickheads. but band like Dead Kennedys and other pure punk, that has no fear of singing what they want, and not stupid lyrics with no point.

but i still dont think that punks got enough dept to challange the other genres i listen to. everyones different, maybe someone feels that its easier to listen to three chord, fast, music with a false teenage tone in the background, then thats fine.

[iamjosh]

not really in defense of punk music, cos I find most of it sucks myself, but it shows very clearly that you don't know shit about what you're talking about. Writing this article was not the best move you coulda made.

[scipio]

Firstly, what are you calling punk rock? I like the pistols definition that it has nothing to do with hair colour or black leather. I like 70's punk because it was powerful and romantic. Johnny Thunders could make you rock one second and cry the next. Richard Hell was a great lyricist. David Johansen was as snoty as Jagger ever was. The Ramones were one of the most bizzare 50's throw-backs ever concocted. You could tell Steve Jones was from the streets listening to his guitar! Iggy Pop makes me want to get up and bounce. Those were punk rockers, real individuals! Please judge punks by punk rock music, not Blink 182, Green Day, No Doubt, Rancid, GOB etc! Please respect the dead!!!

[ohdarn323]

Okay so far I've come to this understanding. Punk is slower metal minus the guitar solos, switching the growling snarling ballsy vocalist with a prepubecent teenybopper (at least nowadays thats about all of them).

lol, you're gay.

You know nothing.

[Oswald]

Slow Metal.... hu..... idiot......

[bennybeast1]

That is shite, Meaningful lyrics in metal-although i do like metallica-what the hell is enter sandman about?

[Pumpkinsmasher]

FUCK ALL THE FUCKING POSTS. Is anyone here actually justified to BACK UP anything they're ranting about? Yeah, so I'm not either, but ?m going to say something anyways if not merely for my own sake. Here's a tired rhetoric I'll state one last time: ANYONE PATHETIC ENOUGH TO LABEL SOMEONE ELSE, IS ACTUALLY AFRAID OF THEIR OWN LABEL, OR BETTER YET, NOT HAVING A LABEL AT ALL. 'Cause seriously, isn?t that what we all really want? To belong to something, anything, ANYWHERE, even if it is just a ***ing WORD, defined by Merriam Webster's dictionary as: "One who rebels against societal views; or An inexperienced young man." Hmm well I can think of quite a few people who rebel against "societal views." How about our own ***ing president? I bet the homosexual community (including just about everyone else in our country) wants to kick Bush's ass (or worse) right about now, but would you go on to call him a "punk?" And then you'd have to label all boys under, let's say, the age of 21, "punks" too, 'cause aren't they "inexperienced young men," at that age? (well most guys are inexperienced well past the age of 18, but that's a whole different subject.) Everyone is so set on going ?against the grain? that they've CONFORMED into one ***ed up group: Welcome to America. And you know what, there's nothing wrong with having groups of people interested in similar genres of music and clothes or whatever. That's how people work: we've stuck together and formed alliances since the beginning of time. It's fighting it that's tearing us apart. That's why there's a smaller number of artists and bands out there than there are people: so we can form groups of similar tastes, and it's ok to like the same music as other people, or to hate it. That's also why we have two ears and one mouth: SO WE CAN LISTEN TO WHATEVER FUCKING MUSIC WE WANT, AND STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S MUSIC. ok, well I?ve already wasted more time on this post than I wanted to, and no one who claims to be a ?punk? should have to sit in front of their computer for hours on end and prove it to some other lame asses who they can?t even see anyways. So go out, listen to whatever music you ***ing want, and play your guitar or bass or whatever you play, ?cause sitting here isn?t gonna make a hell of a difference for your cultural status out in the world.

[i am sparticus]

come on man were supost to be together in the fight against pop shite that we r subjected to on every god dam music channel! why has puck got to have guitar solo's to make it gd? can it jst not be good for its catchyness??? im not gonna deny that there are some so called "punk" bands that r..... well u know.....(not very good) but hey if there in to the music and its wot they love then well done to them!!! anyway im gonna shut up jst now but cheers for a good comment to ponder over!!!

[electricity_kid]

i agree with this, punk sux genitals

[birdman]

cheers to whoever wrote this article!! Punk is for retards that suck at what they do. Punk has turned into the pop shit on mtv. And i dont care about ***ing Pumpkinmaster, who thinks he is so self rightious and correct, that he writes a ***ing long post about how everyone should just stop lableing people. *** you, and *** punk

[suckthafystem00]

i was thinking about his article today, and the lyric argument came to mind. you say punk lyrics are meaningless, does this mean metal lyrics are meaningful? if so, i beg to differ. like Slayer, for example. "Argh! I hate you, me, and everyone else! Argh! I'm really pissed off! Argh! I worship the devil! (flashy guitar solo) Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh!" its stupid. You could say that all emo songs are the same, too. And that's true "Oh I love, you leave me and I'll slit my wrists" blah blah blah. But at least that stuff has meaning, other than letting everyone know how pissed off you are. Pssh, silly metalheads, music is for literates.

[suckthafystem00]

cheers to whoever wrote this article!! Punk is for retards that suck at what they do. Punk has turned into the pop shit on mtv. And i dont care about ***ing Pumpkinmaster, who thinks he is so self rightious and correct, that he writes a ***ing long post about how everyone should just stop lableing people. *** you, and *** punk

you're a ***ing retard. watch MTV, and then name one "Punk" band on MTV. And don't give me Good Charlotte or Simple Plan, because they're not punk. they're shit. All punk is not on the radio, is not on tv, it's in our cd players. Punk bands haven't sold out. Even if they did, that's not saying much to make htem any different than a metal band. There's no punk on MTV, MTV is full of rap, and britney spears. Not punk, you stupid dipshit

[scipio]

I liked the genre formerly known as punk rock. Therefore I'm glad it is dead, I wish these new "punks" would understand that, let the old punk inspire them to do their own thing instead of copy (antipunk). Punk was dead by 1980. The Sex Pistols were punk, NOT a punk rock band!!! It's so ***ing simple but you have to explain it 5,000,000,000 times for people. As for you metal heads you are laughable! Grown-ups still trying to live the teenage dream! I'd luv to see Page and Plant, wouldn't give a dime to see Metallica, Ozzy's or his pug daughter. Punk was an exhilirating movement that was born to loose in a moment. I'm sorry many of you will never be able to comprehend the passion, the romance and the tragedy that is no longer a part of our musical culture.

[lacey]

god shut up and just care abuot what your doin.ive liked rock form as long as i can remeber, and think true punk is amazing. i agree that some bands r for 10 year olds but the majority of punk is better that most metel
P.S. i dont agree with this article for some one who ses there open minded thay r so closed to wats happening around you
whhhhaaayyyy my first comment

[Jesus was black]

"When I listen to Metallica I can feel the agression and the power behind the music, I can hear James grunting or singing every bit of his always meaningful lyrics."
You Twat, Mettalica's lyrics arnt meaningful, for instance 'ride the lightning' a song about being exicuted by the electric chair. Dont get me wrong i like metal but you over analyse. real punk is simular to metal, its more about the attitude. Ive played guitar for about 6 years now and british punk and some american punk (mainly rancid) have decent solos in them, sure its not hendrix but it fits the mood. Your an ass because you think that you can listen to a few mainsteam punk bands like blink and feal you can judge a genre. there where crap Metal bands just as there are punk bands. its only when you compare modern punk with other modern bands you realise how good it is in a musically shite decade.

[----{XAK}----]

Punk/Metal/Modern Rock/Any form of rock. They all go hand to hand. Punk rock is just a step to building a good band. Its simple music for simple minds. Perfect for up and coming artists. Just do what feels right and speak your mind. THATS WHAT ROCKS ABOUT! NOTHING MORE! FUK THE FUTURE GOT A PAST I LIVE MY LIFE HARD AND FAST! \m/

[abby]

suck it up princess

[x_xburntheflagx]

first of all the article SUCKED!and if you dont like punk rock then maybe you should keep it to yourself..because no one gives a god damn wheather you like punk or not and if punk gives you such a f@cking headache then dont listen to it ...simple as that so stop all your babbling and shit and shut your f@ucking mouth.and it sounds like you know not one little thing about punk and posting this was NOT a smart move.and you are now dumber for posting it you stupid f@uck!!

[jimbo66]

i hate billy talent urgggggg!!!!

and i will tell u one good ounk band that hasnt sold out RANCID they rock and they still stay true to their roots and the music awseom lars is awseom at guitar, tim is good too and has the worst singing voice but somehow it works for the songs?, and matt freeman is like the best bass player

[x_xburntheflagx]

first of all your little article SUCKED!!!and if you dont like punk the maybe you should keep it to yourself...because no one gives a god damn wheather you like punk or notand if punk gives you such a f@cking headache then dont listen to it..simple as that sostop all your babbling and shit and shut your f@cking mouth.Andit sounds like you know not the first thing about punk and posting this was NOT a smart move.And you are now dumber for posting it you stupid f@ck!!!!!

[cynical]

i personaly think almost all punk sucks, the only punk i like would be one with TALENTED MUSIC with TALENTED MUSICIANS. they could all be good at there instruments but why do most punk bands make up the shittiest music ive ever heard? i dont know what there problem is and why they dont make up even decent guitar riffs

[----{XAK}----]

Punk Rock is just a simplified version of rock nothing more nothing less. To diss Punk Rock is to diss every form of rock. Anyway what the hell seperates, say any Rock Band from last 20 years from a good punk band like NOFX, talent wise. Absolutly nothing! They both play power chords, and have a love for just fukin rockin out! As people and Musicians there the same. I listen to and respect them both, and I dont bitch about which one is the supreme genre.

[jimbo66]

hey idiot^^^^^^

wut type of punk do u listen to o thats right u probably havent heard any because you trying to hard to diss it and have never heard a good punk song before u probably have only heard your friends talk about good charlotte and simple plan and avril lavignewell thats not punk so if you want to diss a band u have to hear them first dumb a**

[jimbo66]

sorry i mean cynical

not ----{XAK}----:

[blindworld]

All I have to say is that I like punk music as well as about 10 other styles of music. When it comes to getting the lyrics across to us, just because they sound different, doesnt mean they are. I could Say more but this is a waste of time for anyone to pay this guy any mind.


"To Weird to Live, But to Rare to die"
- H.S Thompson -

[john belushi]

AMEN! but i must say i also agree with the shoelaces guy there, metal nowadays is getting shitty but thats why you don't watch mtv dipshit.

Rock On

[john belushi]

I really can't wait for this punk FAD to go out. Listen to some classic rock or metal. I'm sick of all these people trying to fit in with everyone by listening to the same music. I could care less if everyone in the world liked punk, I still think it's pointless and theres music out there that is 1000x better.

I'm finished...

[john belushi]

...***in posers

[JenJen]

::look of confusion::

[bongy111]

...omfg. if you dont like punk, big deal. if you do like punk, big deal. i happen to like it, at least the stuff thats not pure crap smeared all over mtv and the radio. well, bands like anti-flag, AFI, ALkaline Trio, NoFX, Bad Religion and Thursday. but anyway, punk is just another form of music, expessied in another wayfrom music like metal or rock. and some punk bands have incredible guitar and/or bass solos, so you you cant say that they have no talent there. and the same goes for lyrics and singing. so its just another way to fit in and express yourself in a way that you like. thats basically it... jeas... stop ***ing overanalyZing it....

[Oswald]

Good Charlotte= Boyband

[rawk_n_roller22]

pop-punk sucks and hardcore punk rocks

[suckthafystem00]

screw you guys...im going home

[nirvanaboy]

im going to kill that genocide bastard his name says it all

[metallic_101]

finally, someone who sees punk for what it is - a joke. the only good punk bands are pennywise, bad religion and social distortion. these are bands with lyrical and musical ability, showing clear passion and thought in their music. all other punk is just simple power chords and flat lyrics designed to make kids think they are rebellious or cool, or both.punk is dead - live with it and listen to some real music

[Punk lives on]

No bass solos! have you ever listened to maxwell murders by Rancid? i think not! pop punk sucks i agree but hardcore always has and always will totally rock!

[suckthafystem00]

hmmm... seems like no one cares about this topic thing anymore... it's a shame, this was kind of a heated discussion... looks like the metalheads lost... so you can get the *** out now (that is directed towards you metalheads, kuz i doubt you caught that)... and yes i am implying that you are stupid.

[AngilasGuy]

I hate new-punk, I really do, its everything you said it was in the article.

Myself... I only like the old 70's punk, Sex pistols and Ramones for me.

But music is just a bunch of sounds that pleases you, so if stupid kids want to listen to crap, let them listen to crap, they're only missing out on the good stuff.

[ima_wannaB_punk]

stupid people...thinking punk=blink182,simple plan, good charlotte, etc... NoFX has plenty of solos in their songs. So does Bad Religion and other bands...but people who listen to mainstream stuff wouldn't know that

[(sic)kid]

i dont see what the f*ck this guy means by selling out. if it means ditching a band member, maybe being a guest artist on some rappers album or whatever, thats not selling out. it's about experiencing something new, i mean, if you were to stay in the same old crap for twenty years, i'd probably be bored beyond belief. punk has an amazing number of guitar AND bass solos, ever hear of The Distillers and Bad Religeon? it's also a matter of opinion. if you like metal or classic, fine, i like it too, just not as much as punk. im crazy about death metal, not many people like it but i dont go up to them and say: hey your music sucks you have no talent blah blah blah... i respect peoples opinions and if you cant respect mine or others, then i wont respect yours.

[carpedium]

yEAH GENOCIDE MY orange mohawk would kick your metal lovin, punk hatin, computer nerd ass so hard......yeah and Thrice and Rufio could rock out harder then any of your shit. Here some metal for ya- JajiggajiggaJajiggajiggaJ
a BBuuuuuhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa BOOM AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH! Congratulations your now an accomlished metal head.

[scumfuc_69]

Has anyone noticed how ALL the punk-haters on here
can't even come up with an intelligent argument against
punk????!!!!

[mandito]

Selling out! haha what the f*ck, who cares, do ya love the music because who the guys in the band are, or how well they can carry a rad note. If you dislike a band because there moochin money ur a whore. I mean Rancid's tim armstrong did a shampoo commercial, he is helping pink, and made a movie (live freaky,die freaky). how ever that same guy produced another 8+ bands and for that I salute him! what he does to get there doesnt matter, its the music that does.

[scumfuc_69]

isn't it weird how the pricks who run this site
will let people who don't know what their talking about
simply just bash something 'cause they hate it, then won't let anyone write in defense of it???

[deadkenedy]

cock

[jimbo66]

No bass solos! have you ever listened to maxwell murders by Rancid? i think not! pop punk sucks i agree but hardcore always has and always will totally rock!


totaly and the bass solo in maxwell murder is like the craziest bass solo iv ever heard

[Guitar_Grrl]

I agree with you about calling those new punk bands idiots. They are.. complete and total idiots. You want a good punk band who didn't sell out? Television, The Heartbreakers, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, Johnny Thunders. The song Blank Generation by Richard Hell and the Voidoids has SO much meaning. The guitar riff has a bluesy feeling to it while the lyrics are about being a member of a discontented and lazy generation. AMAZING Punk song. You probably haven't listened to Patti Smith either..she's more of a punk poet, but equally great. The Minutemen are great also..and their lyrics are politically minded. You could say Iggy Pop and The Dead Kennedys sold out, I don't believe they have but just WATCH Iggy Pop perform and tell me theres no meaning there, and listening to Dead Kennedy's, to get no meaning from that you must be deaf. But I must agree with you, a lot of older punk bands HAVE sold out, and the new punk is just garbage.

[unavailable]

Rancid's bassist has got some crazy bass lines

[unavailable]

and ive heard punk songs with solos, Anti-Flag has tons of solos and a lot of other punk bands put at least some kind of solo

[fvck_right_off]

"Parallel" by Bad Religion, listen to that Mr. Well Rounded Musician Fvck.

[Slightley Winde]

alright xxgenocide98xx here is your answer.
Punk was a social group that originated from england in the 70's. but you probably already knew that. so i'll skip the history lesson and get to the point. Why Punk? is what you ask. Punk because there are outcasts that dont fit in to a particular group. you are correct that punk is more of a lifestyle. but not all punk is about leather and studs and mohawks. you see punk in the stereotypical way with he orange mowhawk and the what not. punk is more than that. i consider myself a punk and i dont have a mohawk, and i dont wear leather and studs.i wear what i like. punk is an outlet for freedom of expression. as far as the music goes, who are you to say it is crappy, and who are you to label someone a sell out. just because someone becomes popluar (i.e.:matallica) doesnt make them a sell out. you can't control what people like and dont like. if an underground band comes out into the mainstream its because people just happen to like them. to call the sex pistols sell outs is wrong because the do what the feel is right to them. And for saying afi sux.....jade pudget is an awesome guitarist and if you can do with your voice what davey havok can do with his, then i commend you. Sure there is some punk out there that lacks solos and vocals and what ever else you complained about. but punk doesnt lack a message. you think the ounk is all about anti-conformity, and its not, it is about self expression. You take a message and see just the anti-conformity ande miss the point, all punks are saying is dont be what someone else wants you to be, be yourself and live your own life. Me personally i have no problem with any type of music, if a group of guys gets together and does something they love, who are we to tell them that they suck. the point i am trying to make it, why punk? because maybe it just what people like,...maybe it is unexplainable. if there is a lack of musicality, like you say, then fine punk is a lesser form of music, but you have no right to critisize punk because you think it is lesser. I personally think punk is on a level that todays youth can relate to. punk is an outlet to express feelings. maybe they are non conformist, but if you look deeper maybe they are just a search for identity and self worth, maybe that is what punk is about.

THAT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME! Good job dude!

[scumfuc_69]

damn, is this prejudiced and misleading column
still on here??!!??!!

[MrLucky77713]

Bleh...Destroy these bollocks, read my history articles. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU CRITICIZE... I'll definitely be doing a current state of punk article just to prove to mself that there are better genre's battles articles than this shit

[GuiTarPlaYnPunK]

i think this article should be killed. oh and yeah, punk does have non sellouts. maybe u should listen to some good bands and not some good charlotte shit you prolly listened to. why write a whole ***in column going against punk. dont you have something better to do then make fun of a music you dont like? damn thats pretty sad..

[Saynotopunx]

You don't like punk music.. so ***ing what? Stop bitching about it and go listen to your ***ing Pink Floyd and Journey watered-down bullshit. If the music doesn't do anything for you, then it's not your music. True punk isn't slow in the least bit, you dumb***.. Have you never listened to the descendents, seen the ramones play live, ever heard screeching weasel? what does your girlfriend see in you anyways? damn..

[weevilx214]

"We all know some punk bands are against cooperate america and the like, and thats bullshit, trendy garbage." this guy voted for bush. and loves metal. this guy says punk sucks. he obviously hasnt heard Rancid: ...And Out Come the Wolves. hmmm damn republicans.....i think ill go listen to some more anti-flag now.

[fvck_right_off]

MrLucky77713 kicks some serious ass, go dude!

[Born2Riot]

Punk f-ckin rocks bitch

[Atticus_XI]

if you don't get get any "feeling" from punk how come 50,000 people can show up and jump around to blink 182 in australia for BDO.... i guess they didn't feel anything either?

[irish lamma]

Because most of them never heard any other type of music besides hip hop and rap, so they go with what most of the other white kids are listening to.

[sarcastic dirty accent] Bitch.

[Publicservices]

Rancid has some solos, their bass player is a maniac.

[Publicservices]

Anyway the point of punk is to f*ck up the estblishment
In other words, DOWN WITH BUSH!!!!!!

[koko8zar]

Umm... punk's been around since the late 60's and early 70's.

Iggy was part punk/rock 'n' roll, along with bands like MC5, and Velvet Underground.

[dthmtlhd]

punk rock just lacks all talent. but i agree with what some people are saying. metallica blows sucks ***. any metalhead who names enter sandman as a favourite is a loser. u want music? BLACK METAL, DEATH METAL, THRASH METAL, NU METAL, PROGRESSIVE ROCK, STONER ROCK, and many others

[Mid-Day]

OK. I a punk fan (and a all around music fan) I like The Ramones, Blink 182, Sum 41, Green Day, Bad Religon and many MANY more. Ok anyways.
Why would you write an article about sumthing u dont even like? ALOT of people like Punk, Pop Punk ect, and many people wpuld argue with you. BUT Y THE HELL WOULD U WRITE ABOUT SUMTHING U HATE! THAT U DONT EVEN LIKE?Thats just f*cked up 2 me. Like i hate "X-Tina" sh!t so i wouldn't go write an article thats just stupid. Don't go judging people by what f*cking music they like and the way the dress. U said " I hear all these songs and have all these people calling themselves punks. I'm good with calling you people 'tards. No problem there buddy walk around with your spikes and orange mowhawk, you think you're badass I think you're stupid." WHO FRIGGEN CARES IF A PERSON HAS A MOHAWK DONT GO JUDGING THEM. I say punk is more of an aduittude then music. I rescept ur opoin and everything but just think about this b-4 u go write another article about how much u hate us DON'T GO WRITING AN ARTICLE ABOUT SUMTHIING U HATE ITS JUST STUPID! jeez...ppl stop saying punk is stupid punk is old escpially if u dont like it! go write about sumthing u like. It seems like every1 is a friggen critic now. Dont u think?

[Mid-Day]

oh yeah an another thing WHY NOT PUNK? huh answer that 4 me.

[PetrucciRocks]

Because it's talentless assholes like punks who think they can get anywhere by playing 3 powerchord songs. Sure I respect everyone elses opinion, but punk killed rock music. If Nirvana never made it big, I'm sure music today would require alot more musicianship.

[PetrucciRocks]

Music went from being special for us, to ruining it for everybody. It went from being unique so being the same damn thing over and over, and real musicians don't get any recognition for the hard work they did to be the way they are.

[>>AlbiN<<]

Man, punk is throwing together rock, metal and pop and then strangling them all to death. I've got to agree it appears that all punk musicians need to know about 3 power chords and which way up the drum kit goes. What beats me is why people buy this crap.

[ieatdookie]

punk has got meaningful lyrics, check out rancid's indestructible, for example. i think the only punk you must have heard is blink 182 and good charlotte for you to say all that shit. METAL IS BOLLOCKS GET A LIFE YOU LONG HAIRED GROWLING MONSTERS

[bucky_2300]

punk has got meaningful lyrics, check out rancid's indestructible, for example. i think the only punk you must have heard is blink 182 and good charlotte for you to say all that shit. METAL IS BOLLOCKS GET A LIFE YOU LONG HAIRED GROWLING MONSTERS

shut up. like, right now. you're giving punks a bad name

[ultimate_punk]

That was an awful article. There is no rule saying you have to have a mowhawk to be a punk. I didn't see any examples of punk bands on that sheet. It's alright to have a point of view but it wasnt backed up at all.

E.G- 'I don't see a meaning in the often repetitive lyrics'. Right. You're perfectly entitled to that view, even though I don't agree with it. Just back it up. You could have said '[insert band name here] are a perfect example. Band X's [different band] last 3 albums are about the same theme time and time again as well. All they do is ramble on about Bush being a shithead and nothing else. My mate, a hardcore punk, agrees with this, [your are getting yet another source to back you up] and he definetly knows what he's talking about.

The article was useless and biased. You didnt even give a point of view from someone who liked punk. It was a one sided rave on a genre you obviously know very little about.

[Trenchcoat]

Just because this genre doesn't conform to your likes, doesn't mean that its pointless, or that it sucks, or whatever. It is what it is, some people like it, some people don't. If you like it, thats great, if not, oh well big deal.

Just a little tip from me to you: Try to be a little more open-minded and actually listen to the lyrics, then you'll see that Punk isn't so pointless.
Also, the next time you decide to write something like this, try talking to someone who truly understands and appreciates the genre.

[Trenchcoat]

By the way,
did you ever think that maybe, just MAYBE some people like mohawks? I personally love mohawks. But thats just my opinion. And MAYBE some people like bright hair colors, such as orange, as you stated in your article. I also love bright and "wild" hair colors. It is a person's choice and right to do what they want with their hair. Just because YOU think something is ridiculous, doesn't mean that it IS ridiculous. Thats just YOUR whiney-ass opinion. Let people be who they wanna be, and look like they wanna look without your critisism.

I'm done ranting for now. I think...

[SinnsykEvig6550]

Well, to the people in this forum that have been saying that punk has solos, think about it, those solos really suck, i can write a punk song in like 5 minutes, lyrics and all, and all the dumbass punks around here would love it at a garage party. listen to real rock music, like classic stuff, hendrix and clapton, or real metal that requires talent, like metallica, in flames, dimmu borgir, amon amarth. really, that music is art, thats what music should be. i mean, if youre a good guitarist, why limit yourself by playing punk? punks are sellouts, and even the old stuff sucked, its all trendy shit like nu-metal and i hope to god it will die out before everyone is punk!

[DieMartyr]

All right, so here goes something. I'm fine with calling you a "tard," because by saying the things that you (xxgenocide98xx) said, you became a public embarrassment to yourself. First of all, what is bad about "selling out?" When a good band sells out, their music is exposed to the public, and because ignorant people worship anything they hear on the radio, see on TV, or read about in magazines, at least those naive fools are listening to good music, and some of the crappy music will be driven out. Also, when a band sells out, how does that change their music? I think it's completely dumb when fans stop listening to a band and start resenting them because they "sold out." Most of the time, that band's music has not changed and neither have their personalities, images, etc. I also think that it's safe to say that at least half of all punk fans can name underground punk rock bands. Anyway, there are always going to be idiots, whether they're talking about music or the weather. Of course some people who refer to themselves as fans of punk are going to say that Good Charlotte is their favorite band, but ignorance does not only occur when listening to and talking about music. Oh, and who is comparing punk to metal? Why is it necessary to compare them? Punk is what it is. In some cases, it is slower than metal. In other cases, punk is much faster than metal. Oh, and another thing, punk does have some great guitar solos. Anti-Flag has awesome bass lines, and there definitely is meaning to their, and numerous other punk band's, lyrics. Perhaps you don't get any "feeling" from punk music, but after listening to punk, I definitely feel mellow, energetic, and I want to jump around. You site icons and exceptionally well-known bands, that nearly anyone could name, such as Metallica, but they sold out, so why are you still listening to them? I guess that just makes you a hypocrite. Many punk lyrics do have meaning to them, regardless of it (the meaning) being "repetitive." Everyone who has read or posted can agree with you on one thing, your article was poorly written!

[DieMartyr]

One final comment from me, a "good guitarist" shouldn't have any limits, but instead, should be willing to try anything. Being open-minded will only broaden your horizons and make you a better musician. Who knows, maybe you'll even end up enjoying stuff you never would have thought you'd like.

[rancidrocker]

ok so ur saying they have to talet right? As for they lyrics, they have more meaning than most other genres. For Vocals, if ur talking about REAL punk, not the boy bands pretendeding to be punk (i.e Good Charollte), then the vocals are snarlly and angry (ever heard of the Explioted?), as far as bass lines go, what about Matt Freeman (Rancid), he could almost raival Flee( Red Hot Chlli Peppers). I'll admit that most punk guitarist don't have much talent, or they may and they just don't use it. Example: I can play the "Stairway to Heven" solo, and love to write my own solos but it's fairly difficult to put a solo in a song where u have to change chords every 5 seconds. See my point?

[unknownsoldier]

maybe you should look past the wall you built for yourself because punk isn't the sum 41 or good charlotte like bands, it's someone like the casualties who are motived to give their opinion in the only way they can

[Evan_lesPaul]

what a stupid article. all you are doing is making fun of punk. if you dont like it then dont write about, dick.

[SURFraptor7]

Listen to some Slick Shoes if you wanna hear cool riffs and awesome solos. Thats a great punk band, so you can't really dis them. And punk is not slower metal... thats ridiculous because the beat for alot of punk is incredibly fast. I'm not really defending punk though, because most of the punk bands now are sucky bands who all used the same general riff and rant about how much they hate President Bush...
but give the good bands a chance.

[waterproofpie]

wow you're full of shit. listen to music with an open mind. you say punk is made out of sell outs? Do you have any idea how many GREAT underground DIY punk bands are out there. Asshole. If you're going to point fingers for the bastardization of punk, blame pop-punk bands

[rhcpcure2826]

i dont like punk,

BUT SOLOS DONT MAKE IT MUSIC

and you are lashing out. youre closed minded, and youre another dumb kid with a sell-out theory for every band of a genre.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT CONTROL THE MUSIC THAT THEY WRITE.
some of them cant just throw away what sounds cool to them- youre just to dumb to see that.

[rhcpcure2826]

1 star

[lohnlennon]

what about the end by the beatles. they have absoulutly no lyrics but the solos kick ass. i too love zeppelin and hendrix but i hate punk. its not even rock its like a a cry for recignition if you ask me. 4 stars

[greendaynaz87]

OK IM REALLY AFFENDED BY THIS ARTICAL!,AND STRAIGHT AWAY U CAN TELL THIS WAS WRITTEN BY A METALLER, I CAN NAME BANDS THAT HAVE SOLD OUT! (GREENDAY FOR AN EXAMPLE)and to say that punk bands are not talented then thats just plain stupid! and THEY DO HAVE SOLOS!! and to say that modern PUNK BANDS HAVENT SOLD OUT (WELL DO U KNOW NE MODERN METAL BANDS THAT HAVE SOLD OUT????)OR WHICH MODERN PUNK BANDS HAVENT DO ANYTHING FOR TODAYS MUSIC MUST BE A LIE THEY PAVED WAY FOR A NEW STLYE OF MUSIC CALLED "EMO" GREAT BANDS SUCH AS TAKING BACK SUNDAY OR BRAND NEW! WAT HAS MODERN METAL GOT¿¿?? NUFFIN !:GRR:

[MarkWantPieNow]

i think you mean offended, and that green day didnt sell out (at least thats what Im assuming you meant).

ok, does anyone honestly believe that they can change someones fundamental beliefs about music, in a poorly worded paragraph??

isnt this just the musical equivilant to jehovah's witnesses! and how many time shave you been converted by a jehovahs witness at your doorstep.....

[daraisace]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! you have no clue. you dont even know what punk is! what you describe is something completely opposite from my understanding of punk. Bands that have 'sold out make up a tiny percentage of all the great punk bands out there. The reason you hate punk is because you have never heard it due to the incredibly un-punk nature of signing to a major label. if you want to hear some good punk check out leftover crack, five knuckle, the bouncing souls, rancid, etc etc. punk is such a wide-ranging and ever-changing genre, i personally cannot stand certain sub-genres of punk (post-hardcore or whatever they are calling it these days, NFG style pop-punk,) so next time try knowing just a smidgen about what you are talking about before consigning one of the most emportant and infuential genres in history to the metaphorical recycle-bin

[punkrock102957]

dude, rancid is pop punk too,

[ratbollocks]

This story is TOTAL SHIT.This dumbass does not have idea about was hes talking about. OK punk guitar riffs are only 3 chords or or so but who gives a ***.
Punks dont fully care about how good they are with instruments. They just wanna put aword out. Their lyrics have a whole lot of meaning then most styles of music. Also youre using crap examples good charlotte and others arent even punk.

[monkeyspks]

That was the flipping worst thing that I have ever read. Here you go saying "Even I listen to some punk sometimes! Hee hee! All punk sold out! 'Cause you have heard of them! That means they sold out!" And maybe punk isn't your thing. Ever thought about that?Rap isn't my thing, ok? And I don't walk around ultimate-rap.com (if there is such a thing, lol) saying "God, that Tupac. Such a sellout, I tell ya. Eminem, he needs to Just Lose it, and go to the mental institution where he belongs."

Then, you go name all these classic rock bands. HELLO, WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING JIMI HENDRIX AND LED ZEPPELIN WHEN YOU'RE RANTING ABOUT PUNK!! You honestly have no brain, do you.

Guess what, I'm what they call a "well-rounded musician" too. I play piano, guitar, and I'm learning drums. I can sing well too. THANKS FOR SHARING. Guess what!! I also listen to "a little bit of everything!" LYKE, OMG. What does that have to do with punk being crap???? JUST GET ON WITH IT, if you're going to tell it at all.

Of course there are sellout bands. There's the Offspring (which, btw, ROCKED before Splinter), Green Day, and the Vandals. However, you're forgetting the people like The Living End and Slick Shoes. LOOK! 2 bands that are NOT sellout. You apparently forgot those, as well as a couple other ones.

Oh, I forgot. You don't know crap about punk. You pretend to so that you can write an article. So of course you wouldn't know who those bands are.

That was the biggest, worst crap article ever, and you need to drop off the face of the earth.

[monkeyspks]

when I said a couple bands that didn't sellout, i meant a huge fraction of the punk society.

AHH I HATE THIS ARTICLE. lol.

[sk8nddestroi]

goddamn some people are just so ***ing stupid.. punk has a set point of view it is speaking out against the overbearing authoritarian figures that control our lives, punk aw *** it nevermind but this is as bad as the punk is dead one this is a horrible article and what the hell did u throw jimmy in there for your suppoosed to be discussing punk

[explosivejohnny]

i'm sick of metal heads bashing punk because they think they know something about it. they listen to the ***ing sex pistols or some DERIVATIVE uk 76 garbage and claim that they know something. you don't realize that real punk bands like the stooges and the new york dolls, richard hell set the stage for rock and roll and revitalized it.

metal heads, of course, ruined it. they didn't realize, "hey all we need is 3 chords! anything else is for pussy fags who go to music school!"

if you wanna write classical music, pick up a ***ing violin or play piano, not a ***ing electric guitar.

oh yeah.... sum41 and all that green day neo-punk shit.... if you consider that punk in any form you're a shit for brains. and complain about those mother ***ers selling out.... all your metalfag idols are the biggest sellers of the last quarter century, and all the unpopular bands ***ing suck.

metal heads make me sick worse than emos and neo punks, at least the emos are trying to hook up with a girl, even though they're pussies about it, they're not complacent with masturbating in their mom's garage every night and pretending they're better than everyone with their boring extraneous BULLSHIT music.

and FUCK lyrical content, go read some poems if you want a hard on. faggots

[JJHx1987]

I was just curious.

What makes The Business any different from Metallica?
What makes The Dead Kennedys any different from Cream?
What makes Dropkick Murphys any different from Led Zeppelin?
What makes Stiff Little Fingers any different from The Who?
What makes the Circle Jerks any different from ZZ Top?
What makes Agnostic Front any different from ACDC?
What makes punk any different from hard rock?
What makes punk punk?
What makes hard rock hard rock?
What defines any genre?

Is punk defined by the Sex Pistols?
Is hard rock defined by Led Zeppelin?

It's really stupid when people argue about musical genres. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

If your asking me why punk (for sake of the arguement)? My answer is simple. It's no b.s. rock and roll. But then again... What is rock and roll?

Here are some bands to check out to expand your mind:
Adicts
Adolescents
Angry Samoans
Bad Brains
Cock Sparrer
Fear
MC5
Queers
TSOL
Unseen

[JJHx1987]

And for the love of god will you stop talking about the Pistols being the first punk band. Cock Sparrer was around before them, so shut up.

[GuiltyPleasure]

why punk, you say?... boy are you an ignorant little ***er. You are not even giving most punk bands a chance.. all you do is probably hear some simple plan on tv and automatically think every punk band sounds like them. Well your wrong. If all you wanted to do was look at these new bands and rant about how bad they were... well guess what its not just punk,.. what about slipknot, and these new, so called, metalheads.. you think they are any better? This Nu-Metal that's coming up... whats up with that... so my friend, I think the correct thing isnt to say why punk,.. you should ask,.. why all these new industry bands,.. no matter if its punk, emo, nu-metal etc.

[brokenshoelace]

i like punk rock cuz i hate guitar solos..they suck..in my opion! i

[brokenshoelace]

ooops..i love punk rock no matter what anyone says! and if you dont then dont say nothing!

[RockNRollGuy420]

those arent metal bands all you listen to are hardrock bitch learn something about music bitch before you go pretending like you some pro at it, stupid mother***er, you say all the punk bands sell out??? listen to NeverWas Bitch THEY ARENT FUCKING SELLOUTS i am a big fan of local and underground music be it punk rap or metal but mostly underground hip hop, hardcore, and punk, AND SKA TOO BIICH

[Metallica78]

he kkhx1987 metallica is metal dumbass

[Metallica78]

hey*

also we all have our own opinions and no one will ever ***in agree to shit so stop trying to hate another genre or style and just listen to your damn music and have fun.

[BadReligionAndy]

Hey you idiot, listen to bad religoon, anti-flag and if you tell me their lyrics are poor, have no solos and arent two of the best damn bands around then you have something very, very wrong.

VERY poor article indeed.

[flossy]

Yeah youre article sucks and punk rock rules!!!

[that ska guy]

hey im tired of people like you tellin us that we need to become better guitar players. i have an idea how about you buy me some guitar lessons cuz i can not afford them im sarry im poor and this is my life style ass hole.

[RockNRollGuy420]

NEVERWAS RADICAL DISORDER FUCK YOU UPS DA PINGAZ SOUTHERN RIOT BIG D AND THE KIDS TABLE NEW MEXICAN DISASTER SQUAD, THEYRE NOT SELLOUTS OR FUCKING GARBAGE YOU FAGGOT DONT FUCKIN CALL ALL PUNK BANDS SELLOUTS OR GARBAGE BITCH

[petrina_678]

ur narrow minded!And if you dont like punk why do u listen to it anyway!? Greenday is punk and they rule!

[banzaii_02]

What??? Hey! You wanna hear a punk song with a bass solo?? listen to rancid - maxwell murder...in fact..you want to listen to meaningful lyrics listen to anything by rancid or lars frederiksen...and i dont really care if any "hardcore punks" out there wanna have a go 'cos rancid aint punk cos i dont care really lol...oh and for anyone that says that u cant listen to zeppellin, 'tallica, hendrix and punk music is and idiot...ive got a mix on my comp cos i reckon its good to be ecclectic...*steps off soapbox*

[deathscyth76]

I totally Agree with this article, All punk today has been pussified...
Green Day sucks balls...Big sweaty ones too...anyone has a problem with that,take it up with me.
Punk today is all about trying to either take down "Corporate America" or "Fucking the System", as the article says, there is nothing good about punk and it lacks any talent or meaning...

ROCK ON...
AC/DC RULE
GREEN DAY BLOWS!

YES, I AM FLAMING! FOR A GOOD REASON!

[will_clip]

Okay, let me clear this up. Punk is not slower than metal. If anything, on average, its faster than metal. Graned there isnt USUALLY as many long complex solos comparatively. If you listen to more than green day or ramones blah blah blah, you'll find out that punk drummers are a lot more complex and talented than most metal drummers. Dont believe me listen to No Use for a Name (they're a good example of this). He uses a single bass pedal and plays stuff that ive never heard come out of a double. As for bass, ive heard some lame shiz from both ends, and ive heard some badass shiz from both ends so its useless to compare. Oh and one more thing, complex doesnt always mean its hard to play (metallica)

[will_clip]

*granted
Sorry. I didnt want all you spelling bee champs to rag on my spelling capabilities though.

[piss_off]

gay article

[punklege]

u should call yourself a tard, of course the lyrics have meanings, the clash have some of the most meaningful lyrics i know. one band that hasnt sold out is the nosebleeds. as far as the no solos etc, thats because punk isnt about being all great and being a musical genius, how are the kids supposed to do it if you have to do big solos and stuff, *** you!

[fackingshoite]

Lol, "pussified" punk, listen to Propagandhi you ***ing smacktard. It's fast, to the point (yes the lyrics are "meaningful" or whatever you want to call it), it's raw, it's fast as ***, the riffage isn't "shit", and they are HEAVILY political (in fact i can't think of a band, no, a person more passionate about their political views). They say even say it's "Progressive Thrash"...some people say otherwise...

[ham_n_mayo_sub]

To all you people who are complaining about Genocide being an ignorant dumbass or whatever: Why do you care? Is it really that important to make sure that everyone who bad mouths punk burns in hell?

[noneoftheabove]

i doubt anybody will read this comment but **** it.

did u know that many punk musicians play metal in practice (along with scales and other things that build technique) along with many other styles but ultimately, they play punk live and in recordings. Gee i wonder why. it doesnt take a genius to understand punk. then again maybe it does

[SumGreenNOFX182]

I've only read the beggining and stopped. I'm not the biggest punk rock fan, I'm pretty much a newbie to the scene. But, I don't think The Ramones ever sold out. And many other punk bands. Bad Religion? Anyways. I hate you. And I don't like metal.

[hugepen15]

I listen to almost every kind of music there is except punk. I can listen to one punk song and it will be exactly the same as twenty other punk songs. With classic bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, you heard one of their songs and it sounded unique. Not with punk. Punk is the bitch of the music industry.

[unknownroad]

Punk music hasn't got intelligent lyrics? what about bad religion, oh they also have guitar solos, bass solos, faster than alot of metal with the exception of maybe slayer, deicide and that lot. but then wheres the intelligence in metal? we could go down that road if you like i mean "kill the christians" by deicide, couldnt have taken much to write. Oh yeh and I dont think anti-flags lyrics are that intelligent although alot of the music is good, on record at least live it kinda falls apart with the band taking more care about spinning round and jumping like ****ing circus animals and the bassist tries to do the screams and it dont work but I wont go on about that cos thats just rambling off topic, anyways hope we can find something in what ive written about to argue over for a few days, laters.

[Maggot penis]

YOU GUYS EVER LISTEN TO REAL PUNK OR POP SHIT DOA BADBRAINS MINOR THREAT BLACKFLAG SEX PISTOLS THERE LYRICS DO MEAN SOMETHING MAYBE BRAIN TRANSPLANT WILL DO YOU BETTER MOST METAL BAND HAVE SHIT LYRICS BUT GOOD RIFFS VICE VERSA FOR SOME PUNK BANDS LISTEN DICKHEAD

[We_Wont_Die]

Maggot Penis. for one, you have a shit name, number two, I think he's talking about modern punk. At the moment, Green Day and the Living End are being labelled Punk. The Living End hate it, and want to be labelled alternative, which is what they are. Green day used to be alternative, but i'd have to say that now they're emo. Our generation of "punk" is MCR and 3DG. That is ****ing bullshit. These bands like "my girlfriend dumped me so im gonna cry myself to sleep" are perfectly fine and accepted, but THEY ARE NOT FUCKING PUNK! PUNK IS THE SEX PISTOLS! PUNK IS RADIO BIRDMAN! These bands like GC and The Used are just sellouts, and that's all I have to say.

[rattlehead999]

We_Wont_Die wrote:

Maggot Penis. for one, you have a shit name, number two, I think he's talking about modern punk. At the moment, Green Day and the Living End are being labelled Punk. The Living End hate it, and want to be labelled alternative, which is what they are. Green day used to be alternative, but i'd have to say that now they're emo. Our generation of "punk" is MCR and 3DG. That is ****ing bullshit. These bands like "my girlfriend dumped me so im gonna cry myself to sleep" are perfectly fine and accepted, but THEY ARE NOT FUCKING PUNK! PUNK IS THE SEX PISTOLS! PUNK IS RADIO BIRDMAN! These bands like GC and The Used are just sellouts, and that's all I have to say.

yeah i agree. the guy who wrote this article knows what hes talking about. and maggot penis can go suck a maggots penis. what is wrong with you?

[punksucks23]

this guy knows what hes talkin about. i completely agree. punks all try to be different bu end up looking the same. the music is horrible.

[kidgrave]

First of all i use to be a punk and the reason why I stopped hearing punk its because it sucks period in comparison to heavy metal. I use to love punk because of its speed and hard noise making chords but once I heard slayer shit I realised that punk sucks cause its nothing but powerchords and any guitar beginner can compose a kick ass punk song just knowing that. I mean metal is way better than punk because first of all it has pull offs and hammer ons to create more melody, and plus the heavy metal chords sound way better than punk. And pl us bitches its all about thrash cause its way faster than punk. First of all to me hearing thrash metal and p unk would be like a young gay racing an old g uy and to me punk is old and its dead. it use to be great back in the days when metal was rising but now its shit. ahhaha punk died when reagan left the office

[CobenBlack]

slash's snakepit are punk i think, and there good.

[cortez0]

Well I think you need a good flame and you need to hear just one sentence:

PUNK AINT DEAD!

[cholo loco]

ummm,bands i can think of off the top of my head that havent sold out?leftover crack,citizen fish,any of duane peters bands(u.s.bombs,gunfight,die hunns),time again,left alone,f-minus,humble gods,casualties,cheap sex,agnostic front,roger miret and the disasters.and on and on and on and on.i could waste so much space here with bands,but i wont.as 2 ur question why punk?why r u the way u r?i wont speak 4 all the punx out there in the world,but 4 me,its just the way i am and i accept it.i dont try 2 hide the way i am.it came 2 me at the age of 11 and 22 yrs later its still in me.if u took the time out 2 actually listen 2 some of the bands lyrics,maybe u would find something that resonates inside u and thats what happened 2 me.theres something somewhere in punk 4 everybody(well,not hippies,i guess!).not every punk band is about **** the govt.in the long run i'd say my environmebt led me 2 punk,and thats good enuff 4 me.and i dont go outta my way 2 get whatever clothes or hairdos or whatever.band t and some jeans or shorts works 4 me.punk is not dead,it thrives in the underground and thats fine by me.

[The real felony]

Why Punk? HMMM maybe cause its free. You act like all punks wear studs and have mohawks, take my friend that just died he was more of a hippy but loved punk.I'm a Riverside drunk punk but you wouldn't know it by looking at me cause i like to look nice, i used to live on the streets and stuff. Punk isn't dead at all there are plenty of people that still live punk.
Punk is the most open group its about being who you want to be doing what you want to do and not giving a f.Maybe you should hang out with people you dont understand and see how they tick.

And as far as heavy metal goes and the style well for one i would hate to wear nothing but band shirts and baggy pants.Oh and date guys with longer hair then me. And does heavy metal have any meaning honestly even if you could understand it.

Punks by the way dont just listen to punk
Heres a list of none punk that every punk i have every hung out with likes
-Van Morrison brown eyed girl
-Harry McClintock big rock candy mountains
-Twisted Sister were not gonna take it
-Tupac
-A Flock Of Seagulls i ran

Alot of us listen to whatever makes us happy. My favorit song is the cures version of come on Eileen but i still love anti nowhere league and cock sparrer.

And there is a lot of differant types of punk music.
if you want faster there is sick sense. theres this agents of change they invented a hip hop punk.Punk is about messages a lot of the time but its about having fun and going with your ideas to.Yeah we do drink and fight but you shouldsee how we all are we are a family that will always have each others back when needed.
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Im a 5 foot 95 pound chick that has gone to metal head parties and got beat up by guys for being punk that was back when i was squating so what do you say about that anything to justify why they would do that.ive won 1 fight were a metal head guy threw a beer bottle at me and called me a dirty ***** all i was doing was walking on the other side of the street.

So why punk hmm cause i cant stand 10 minute guitar solos like um metalica. Oh and hun some of the first punk bands were in the late 60's.
Oh and look at david alin coe he is now conidered natzi country punk yeah it doesn't make sense but thats how it is.Nothing makes sense and obviously you made a dcision to be how you want which makes me say why oh my geese why. But thats your choice not mine and i try to stay out of other peoples stuff so why dont you do the same im not picking at your stuff all day long so dont do it to me. Cause you wont win.

To make a judgement you must look at both sides from equal points. live in each side. make decisions as each side. If you have never hung out with punks for like a whole week strait then dont judge i at least lived with my metal head brother for a time.
Metal to me is just a faster emo.
if any one wants to make any comments on any of this like spelling and stuff keep in mind im kinda pretty drunk right now.

[epicweapon]

AMEN!!!!

[epicweapon]

punk is what backstreet boys and nsync involved into talentless boy bands

[ivri]

Total jackass. Metal and metalheads are just as big of sellouts as punk. Anytime you sell your music, charge for a show or merchandise, etc you are selling and therefore a sellout. You can't call us punks anything different than yourselves. I suppose if any of us- metal or punk- are ever offered any kind of goods, services or money for playing the same crap we all play right now we should decline. We should all starve slowly to death with absolutely no material possesions and in total discomfort lest someone who matters just as little as we do call us a sellout. GFY

[ivri]

Also BTW you'll never understand your gfriend just like you'll never understand punk. You're a narrow-minded goat-f#cked jackass that refuses to look beyond his own egotistical attitude to see that there is a hugely diverse world out there that doesn't give 2 shakes of a rats ass about you or your (and my) opinion or preferences. Wise up, fool.

[.:KrusT:.]

Haha, I always love the way people piss on other genres.
I fell in love with punk when I was 14 and am still loving it after 15 years. For me it's about the drive, it's rock at it's most simple, basic form. But hey, if you like long solo's etc, be my guest, but they bore me to death.