Music: Good, Bad And The Excellent

Nowadays we can see on Mtv, bands that uses a lot of distortion, play 3 power chords, and try to be agressive. A lot of people believes that is the new rock generation (new metal, punk), but they don't think that this bands only are product of a marketing strategy, now the labels want "plastic" bands with lyrics in where the young people can be reflected.

Soloing, 10 minutes songs, are things that are now out of fashion. Fortunately if you try to find hard, you can discover that there are a lot of good bands that doesn't have the same support that "plastic bands" have. But what makes good and bad music?

Bad Music:

In that bands there are a lack of theory basis, harmony, soloing and hability to play the instruments. Instead of that, they think in make good videos and they write about the young problems or violence, a good strategy to sell the product. A lot of bands copy the formula from another band (Blink 182, and all that bands copy the Offspring's and Green Day's formula), some of these bands didn't had the process of playing at bars or clubs to improving as a band or that process was really short. The image is more important than the music, they must be cool, dress with actualy fashion for example. Mtv Awards is his major success.

Bad music bands:

01. Limp Bizkit: Fred Durst and company are an example of what we mustn't do with the music, stupid lyrics, stupid music (only a mixture of 3 power chords and hip hop).

02. Linkin Park: It's ridiculous, 7 people doing that music, the tipical group that talks about the young problems, 2 singers, 2 guitarist, a drumer, a bassist and a DJ (Nirvana was 3 and they made much better music).

03. Blink 182: A very poor copy of the Offspring, in spite of they improved a little in his new disc, they music continues being very poor.

Mediocre Music:

They try to be a good bands but they can't be that, in spite of their music isn't only a marketing product, and some of this musicians have talent to do something else, they also think that MTV are the best to have success, but they try to be something homest.

Mediocre Bands:

01. Evanescence. Is something else than a nu-metal band, they have some good songs, but isn´t really a good band, is like the "other bands" but they do music with more professionalism, and a good girl voice.

02. Strokes, Hives, Vines... There are a lot of copys of this genre because is a good formula to sell, at least they try to do something decent.

03. Creed. They play well their instruments, specially Tremonti, but it seems like a Pearl Jam copy and they couldn't have consolidated.

Good Music:

They make good music and are recognized by their music, not the image, but not at the level to influence to new bands, or to be in the history like the best bands. Some of that bands maybe don't be stars playing instruments, but they have a lot of creativity that helps a lot.

Good Bands:

01. Placebo. Good band, play single things but they try to find new sounds, with alternate tunings, delays.

02. Coldplay. Like Placebo, they play single things, but they create beautiful athmosferes with his guitar and melodic sounds.

Unrecognized Excellent Music:

This groups aren't know very well maybe because it's easier listen to linkin park than that groups because is more complicated. They thing in the music more than in the money or the fame:

Unrecognized Excellent Bands:

01. Underground Metal (Opeth, Cradle Of Fifth). They do really good music, even though they be satanics or mad, their music is really good, personally for me this is better than metallica and other groups.

02. Dream Theater. A Metal progressive music, really good songs, the drummer portnoy is one of the bests, the guitarist Petrucci too, and the bassist too, only imagi
ne the things that this band do.

Recognized Excellent Music:

They have a place in the history, and in them depends the future of music, the money doesn't care, neither been on the MTV charts.

Recognized Excellent Bands:

01. U2. Excelent band, maybe they don't have the best guitarist, or the best drummer, but the things that they do are well. The feelings that have the music, the image that they have is very honest (the fly, the performances etc...)

02. Pearl Jam. Another excelent band, all the songs are different buy with their own style, it's enjoying when Mcready improve with solos, thing that isn't common nowadays.

03. Nirvana. I doubted to put them in this category because for me they needed more time, but this band was an ideological influence, and the music even though was simple, you can feel it.

POSTED: 03/11/2004 - 06:44 am

+ print this article

+ mail to a friend

Comments

[Immortal Hippo]

Yawn! I didn't properly read this article/rant/biased unfounded pile of rubbish, but get this- GOOD, BAD, AND EXCELLENT MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE.

[NovaHawk]

Exactly as Hippo said. This article is entirely based on personal oppinions, which everyone has, that's why your "Bad music bands" have such a fanbase.

I also think you're just prejudice against highly successful artists. Your "Bad music bands" have some of the largest fanbase of your entire list.

[chaz man]

This is horriblly written. Why should I beleive anything you just said. For all I know you might be some 12 year old who bought a guitar because it looks cool. There is no reason I should believe that you know what you are talking about and the entire article is purely your opinion. 1 star.

[simonparry]

couldnt be bothered reading it cos i couldnt give a crap about what music you listen to im sticking with what i like

[PhantomLord_wtf]

Very biased, keep your opinions to yourself...

[tremontifan]

if you want to do this, go to the forums. but kudos for giving credit to dream theater, they kick so much ass.

let it be know for all time, if you hear a resemblance between Creed and Pearl Jam, you need a hearing aid.

[tremontifan]

i meant "known"

[Mikkel]

no hes right music nowadays is so shit, get yourself some opeth CDs opeth have the best riffs harmonies and acoustic playing ive ver heard and the lyrics ***ing kick ass, buy their first album as it is their best, revolving around 2 guitars playing single note harmonies, instead of a powerchord every bar, which is just plain shitty

[andrestx182]

Once again, what I like, what I dislike.
those are your opinions, and I respect your freedom of speech,but keep it to yourself

[frigginjerk]

RUBBISH. it's nothing but an opinion. your definition of bad seems to be "something I don't personally enjoy listening to." even your favorite bands have borrowed from their influences, man.

[bennybeast1]

All shite. Coldplay good? Creed mediocre? Wot are u on? Try the red hot chili peppers as a recognized good band too.

[janecoffin27]

You wanna know my opinion? Almost all of the bands you listed suck ass. Especially Nirvana and Linkin Park. But do you care about my opinion? Is that gonna stop you from listening to your shit music? No, no one here can force their opinions on you, so don't try to force your opinions on them.

[Valhalla]

Your Oppinion

[home sick alien]

i agree that bizkit suck, yet 3 powerchords is a bunch of bs, borland was the only talent in that band

[gnrfan69]

mst o thm banbds suck anyways

[Abstract_Man]

I agree with some of the things on here, but there is a lot of stuff on here that I don't agree with. The whole article is your opinion! You criticise bands that use power-chords, then say how Nirvana are superb (I'm a big fan of Nirvana, but you can't criticise bands for using what they used a lot then say they're class)

[be-back]

I like the article. Specially that 'Bad music bands' and 'Unrecognized Excellent Bands' list. Hey, it's good to throw your self out of the crowd, that flow is going nowhere. Ya OPETH is damn good band, Listen some MESHUGGAH very talented artist.

[gleeb16]

music these days really is nothimg buy commercial advertising, because hip hop is stealing the limelight from rock musicians have to "sell out" to make cash. SMASHING PUMPKINS ROCK

[Oswald]

You suck hard!!!!

[NoBC14]

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one

[NoBC14]

LINKIN PARK BAD MUSIC!?!?!? Just because they dont play what you like doesnt make them bad... And it doesnt matter if they play power chords or not, or how hard it is to play what they play or not, it all depends on HOW IT SOUNDS NOT WHAT YOU DO TO GET THE FUCKING SOUND!!!!

[NoBC14]

02. Coldplay. Like Placebo, they play single things, but they create beautiful athmosferes with his guitar and melodic sounds.

Mind my asking... but what does "athmosferes" mean?

[CtrlAltDel]

You're an idiot for trying to set apart good from bad music. I'm shocked that you would use actual band names, too. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's BAD MUSIC.

Your spelling wasn't that great either.

[abass]

all opinions

[Nirvanaboy07]

As i'm gonna say, and that everyone has repeated, this is totally opinion-based

[rat_in_a_cage]

this is all opinion based. not really much of an article more of you tryin to prove some point that no one asked for

[quinny1089]

Will ne1 learn. IF U WRITE AN OPINIONATED ARTICLE U R GOING TO GET TONS OF BAD COMMENTS

[Kai-7]

01. Limp Bizkit: Fred Durst and company are an example of what we mustn't do with the music, stupid lyrics, stupid music (only a mixture of 3 power chords and hip hop

WTF?? HAVE U ANY IDEA AT ALL, HOW WES BORLAND PLAYED THOSE CRAZY RIFFS? Dude, Durst may be an asshole, but I assure u , Wes Borland is not. The guy has talent. He knows how to play the guitar. I think you don't. 3 power chords? Up yours, m8!

[Laser]

I agreed, but i can understand why you would be getting flamed for this

[alk3_rox]

Coldplay!!!!!!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzz

booooooring

[superdupergirl]

Ick.

[n_punx]

i agree bout what u wrote bout dream theater

[angusyoungrocks]

To say that Linkin Park are a 'Bad Music Band' is totally wrong. I don't really like their music but they must be doing something right to be selling so many albums and touring.

Dude, Durst may be an asshole, but I assure u , Wes Borland is not

Good point as well, Borland is a good guitarist but his reputation has been dented by Durst who is indeed an asshole.

[Blackbullet]

im sorri but coldplay SUCK they are ***ing boring as hell, all tha songs sound so shitty,boring,drawn out, samey..ah ***kit they are not good. U missed out a number of bands who are excellent and not recognised and bands which are actually good and play good music. The bit about bad music wuz spot on tho.

[Civildp]

just for the record Blink 182 isn't an offspring ripoff. both bands had their debut albums come out in 1993.

[rat_in_a_cage]

umm the offspring have been around since the late 80s

[numnuts]

I also think you're just prejudice against highly successful artists. Your "Bad music bands" have some of the largest fanbase of your entire list.

i agree this isnt the best article because its to opinionated, but say how good someone is by theyr fan base is stupid. you can say that theyr mor popular and well liked, but popular and good are completely different things. good charolette is a pretty popular mainstream band but all they play is powerchords, on the other hand there is an awesome blues musician named elmore james who basically nobody has ever herd of and who has gotten not nearly as much recognition as he deserves. there is a big difference with popularity and being a good solid muscian. also, think how popular rap is and try t o say that is good music.

[NovaHawk]

Of course "numnuts", but my point was that if they were really horrible musicians, no one would like them.

Everyone has an opinion, and to the fans of Linkin Park for example, they're good musicians.

[strangled]

well i read all of this and i still have yet to figure out the point ITS JUST YOUR OPINION AND I DONT CARE!!

[pepsi_home]

You dont know shit man. Keep that shit to yourself. Ilike what I like.

[Iodine]

Opinion article ..with spelling errors. Does it get any worse?

[SingingSabre]

Good articles: distant from opinions.
Mediocre articles: laced with opionons.
Bad articles: saturated with opinions.
Horrible fvcking articles: based on opions.

Granted, this post is a horrible fvcking post, as it is based on opinions (my opinions, eat it). So yeah.

[fender rocker16]

uhh yea this article was so so i guess
you left out the chili peppers for a good band. jeez come on. every member of the peppers is very good at what they do and as a whole they make excellent music. the peppers play for feeling in their music.

[will102387]

Opinion crap.

[xsilentlybroken]

What a crap article. Ever heard of subjectivity? Save it for somewhere where you don't sound like an arrogant idiot.

[kcor of music]

worst thing about the article is that it is almost unreadable because the english is so terrible get someone to proofread please.

[~King_Of_Foolz~]

... goddamn... when will people realise that its sheer dumbass to go around writing articled about what band they like and the ones they don't....... irritates me to no end.... i think SingingSabew put it best..... a whole lot of goddamn opinions

[JPaul17]

thank you for your opinion. now ill go back to listening to what i like and not worry about whatever it was you just said.


idiot.

[trendkill]

This crap sucked all your mediocre, good and excellent bands suck. Where are the real bands like Metallica, Pantera and Smashing Pumpkins?

[deadkenedy]

you know shit all

[ad_lib_oz]

bla bla bla bla bla...

no one cares about your opinion

[Klown]

maaaan another! the dicks that think they know better just keep coming.

a message: YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED TO ALL MUSIC IN THE WORLD, PLEASE DONT TELL US WHAT IS GOOD.

do you think you can categorize bands into "bad", "melodicure", "good music", "unrecognized excellent music" and "recognized excellent music" well, then your just wrong.

[Klown]

sorry mediocre

[ad_lib_oz]

GO THE FU CK BACK TO ENGLISH CLASS...

AND GO THE FU CK BACK TO TASTE CLASS...

[ad_lib_oz]

theres some music we can all agree that is crap: eg Limp Bizkit, Busted, B Grade Popstars...cant think of any others now...

theres some music we can all agree that is classic/very talented/ etc: The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, Justin TImberlake, Miles Davis

you may not really like it but you can respect it...right?

but really everyone knows this (except overly opinionated people) i guess.....


my 5 cents

[towelman]

There's an article like this every week. You are not new, go off and die.

[koreazz7]

bullsit. u dont need to be the best guitarist in the world to be a good musician. if the music moves you then its good music.

[guckingfuy]

sometimes I wonder why U.G. lets you guys write *ucking articles. you idiots can't spell or come up with interesting things to write about.
But, I'm never going to write an article so i'll just make fun of the stupid people who do.

[HeadLikeAHole]

Is it just me or are all articles on this site pretty shitty?

[Brandnewlow]

Is there anything less than a 1? Seriously how can u rate placebo higher than blink 182? Are u a deph mute? Sure, blink 182 has power chord songs, but at least they have bridges and instrumental breaks. Placebo is the most horrible band i have ever heard. Now they are 4 powerchord songs, non stop strumming for 3 min, exciting! You can't say that linkin park is a bad band, their not my favourate, but u have to give them credit. Their songs sound a lot alike, but the guitars use a lot of harmonics, something that many bands don't even touch on these days. In my opinion, they should ban all articles like this.

[Guy Snowden]

OK, i think its worth taking an unbiased view at this....... I'm afraid a lot of this is down to the authors personal taste...which i have no quarrel with. I agree that most bands we see on MTV are highly overrated. I myself wouldn't compare blink 182 to the offspring, but thats just the way i see it. I do take inspiration from some of blink 182's work personally, especially now they have acquired a more mature sound.
I myself am also a fan of the "mediocre" strokes, again this is down to taste.... i should point out to the author that just because an artist is seemingly "boring" and "plain" to you doesnt mean other people should think the same.
I do agree that placebo are a good band and make some interesting music that appeals to a wide range of people. But i cant say much else about them.
I'll finish by saying that the author of this article is being a bit of a "Musical fascist" here...... i myself once held the opinion that my taste in music was better than everyone elses.....but in time i learned to stop being such a closed-minded prick...believe me you'll be much happier and much better off maintaining an open mind and giving other peoples music a chance....that is all my friends...happy musicking

[Coreyb_17]

u are the bigest dumb *** to ever write a article
EVER!!!

[emokid182]

^^ yea what he said. I'm glad you at least said that linkin park was bad tho.

[will102387]

emokid182, shut up too. IMO if you aren't not as successful or more successful than a band, don't say they suck cause they obviously know what they are doing. Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory sold over 14 million copies around the world and still sells today, many people can agree that the music isnt poor. I don't care if you don't like them, but have some respect for god's sake.

[towelman]

Why have respect for them? Cause they make millions of dollars? Piss off. If you didn't care if he likes them, why did you write a paragraph on it. Moron.

[JIBTEXHNKA]

if you all are bitching that this guy is only saying his opinion, then what makes you think we need to hear 400 people say theyre opinion about the article?

who ever said opinion was bad?

[boxcarblink41]

i hope you die, cos your such a jerk

[aleczzz]

question: why do you consider cradle of filth gooh music, they're into all that satanism schitt just to look cool and agressive in the eyes of idiot followers... further more, blink 182 never was a comercial friendly band, check out their freggin 1$ shows and hidden tracks! you're waaaaaaay off!

[aleczzz]

*why do you consider cradle of filth good music ?

[SecretAgentMan]

I agree w/all the bullshit bands but you should've actually but some excellent bands in the excellent category.

[fft_axl_rj]

theres no bad music, theres no good music, there are different tastes

[wAnNabE47]

wow that was boring. incredibly biased. and like the person before me said " theres no good or bad music only different tastes"

[stuntg12]

congradulations..you just won the worst article ever award!


...i dont see one person that agreed with you

[lb_guitarist12]

im sorry to say it but if u think limp bizkit has only 3 power chords ur pretty messed up. Wes is one of the greatest guitarist ive herd. you do have a point with linkin park but blink is great. but limp bizkit is great and they get no respect.

[ledfilly]

im tired of these opinonated articles lets get some real articles not EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS!

[JimmyJackrabbit]

friggin opinion articles...if i want your opinion, i'll give it to you.

[musicmaniac2004]

OPINIONATED ARTICLES can go FUCK themselves....& ya,the writer too.

God! This shud've made so many precious moments of life wasted...of all the poor people who read it. My condolences lie with U,In the grave.

[Nirtallica]

did u guys notice this guy has real shit english skills?

[ahdokboy]

my god...this article totally sucks ass. alvarols did you even go to school?

[SLave2Rock]

im surprised he knew what mediocre meant... these opinion articles are crap. i mean, kudos to you for trying to express yourself, but dont make an ass out yourself and submit it as an article. its not like anyone cares who youre favorite bands are, your opinion isnt gonna make anyone else change their mind on music they listen to. especially with the crap u wrote down as an argument. keep your opinion to yourself unless its asked for.

[Atreideslegend]

why did u post this get a life for gods sake

[Hellraizer31990]

shit article...to much opinion...i like facts

[Moises Sotelo]

this article is shit

[fender rocker16]

theres two kinds of bands. there are the talentless pieces of shit who dont even write their own songs and there are also the musicians who sit down and make a song to tell the world something. they write for feeling and try to make there stuff sound good. there are no categories for bands. thats total bullshit. there are bands that write music and there are assholes who get on stage and perform a song that someone else wrote. opinions are shit and any band that makes their own stuff and sees something in it is ok with me even if i dont personally like their stuff. dont rate bands you homo!!!

[MaggotCorpse]

this is all shit no one cares about your opinion wat makes u think that it is rite?

[fuelrocker]

u know and dont really know what u are talking about, first off, Mediocre Bands were all very talented, evesence has a great singer, creed, is really a good band, u took a rumor that is so overated its ridiculous, vetter and strapp may sing in the same key, but the lyrics have different meanings, and the whole stye bases is comepleteky different, alot of artists sing in the same key, even if i didn't like creed i still would b pissed off at that rumor, how can some one asume that they are posers, it is rediculos, as a musician u should reconize many bands that are ceatve, but instead u take something u heard a million times and say it like every other person that dosent know what they are talking about, the vines on the other hand are not the best band, but i agree with everything elseon this, except the coldplay thing, there music depresses u and is not that great, sorry about makeeing fun of one of your favorite bands but u have to understand, people are different and think different things, u shoould stop listening to what other people hae sid before u. ps noone cares about your opinion

[tdub]

This article blows!!!

[jeeba jaba]

the whole thing about there being 7 people in the band, its actually 6, 2 singers ONE of which plays guitar, a guitarist, bass, drums, and dj and tons of band with that many people in them rule take just about any bands from the 60s and 70s they all had 2 guitarist, bass, drums, keyboards, singers and all that good junk so in short this article blows

[J-Spoon]

Quite obviously your own biased opinion. Do not pass your subjectivity as fact.
Simply,

tdub:
This article blows!!!

[Bob_The_Moose]

1) It sort of lost most credibility when you called Cradle Of Filth underground metal.
2) MTV is crap, we take it for granted that if a band's on there now then the chances are they're rubbish
3) Please learn to spell.

[VoodooChild15]

I quite like the hives and the strokes and the vines.

[XxXDarkstarXxX]

1. Borland is a good gutarist. I also like the fact that you mentiond Petrucci.
2.Nirvana was a good band, but personally, I think there over rated.
3.Now that I stated my opinion. The fact is that this is just another one of those article's that state an opinion about how much music today sucks. True its not as good as it used to be, but you cant count out every band. Tool, A Perfect Circle and Pusifer are all good bands. Maynerd James Keenan is a bad ass vocalist with great a great talent. In my opionion one of the best out there now. (Along with Chris Cornell of Audioslave, dont bash me for saying Amy Lee of Evanescence because she can sing.)You really shouldent down every band in a genere unless you've listened to every band in that genere.

[squierbullet]

EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!! I TOTALLY AGREE WTH EVERYTHING YOU SAID!!!

Shut up. Take an English class. You're full of shit.

[squierbullet]

my /end sarcasm didn't show up, don't think I actually agree with this moron.

[crucify114]

I believe that some of this article is correct in saying that some bands suck ass. But, I believe that limp bizkit isn't that bad. Evanescense sucks horrid ass hole. Some bands are really good on the bad list and some of the bands on the good list suck.

[Unseen_hero]

if he was right...then no good band would make any money or be popular...truly some of the bands u list are just capitalizing on image and mainstream but the article is highly opinionated. Your spelling errors were awful it was hard to follow.

[Zechs]

Bad Column, bad English. Only good thing was slagging of blink 182, they're horrible.

[MatsumotoHideto]

Remember
This is only the opinion of one person
if you don't like it then shut the hell up and don't f***ing reading it

[toolman]

i agree that this is only one persons opinion but he left out a excellent band in tool. thats all im saying

[undead_bunny]

yawn...another personal opinion article....

[irish lamma]

who the hell are you to tell us whats good and whats bad?

I didnt read most of the article so dont say i like repetitive crap

one more thing, you brought the smote upon yourself

[slayingmantus]

As far as having a wide variety of chord shapes and so on, I totally agree with you on the Opeth thing. Man those dudes kick some serious anus.

[Epyn]

nirvana ***ing sucks, although Dream Theater and alike are amazing

[UseYourBrain]

i think theres too much hate on UG.

[five0]

Does this have any point? I agree that Blink, limp and LP all suck, but thats opinion, and so is this column...

[Yahiko357]

Yawn! I didn't properly read this article/rant/biased unfounded pile of rubbish, but get this- GOOD, BAD, AND EXCELLENT MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE.

Seconded.

[xtreme_v1010]

hey none of these bands are bad why they have their own style of music wich i find good. Bottomline is there is no bad or good music it's just based on opinions