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Musical Economics

author: Bubonic Chronic date: 09/07/2006 category: junkyard
rating: 9 / votes: 64 
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 10:22 am
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kaptink :
Nice article, I enjoyed reading it.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 10:53 am / quote |
whitestripe22 :
different!
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 11:13 am / quote |
AbsenceOfFaith :
I know you want to buy a rig tomorrow and plug in, hit that holiest of holy chords, the open E

That cracked me up. It's so me
Great writing and I love the irony you put behind the display of your own experiences. Article full 'o truth and things that are just right.
Best wishes (:


POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 11:33 am / quote |
dethofmoo :
nice! cheers pal
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 12:03 pm / quote |
P.B. :
good job
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 12:15 pm / quote |
Children Of War :
Both Interesting and useful,and its good when you threw in some jokes that makes me wanna read more,in the end,the information is good and useful,unfortunately,Im nothing like a 16 year old american,im a 13 year old Asian and the legal age of drviving here is 18...but its good info,I'll burn it in my head
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 12:28 pm / quote |
Obelisk :
This is most defintely the best article I've read on UG yet!

Thanks for the advice. I'll take it to heart.

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 12:52 pm / quote |
5thhorseman :
very true
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 01:22 pm / quote |
UNIe :
One of the best things written in this site!
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 01:52 pm / quote |
GrungePb :
Excellent article!,

sequel? maybe? please? !

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 02:04 pm / quote |
denied :
excellent

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 02:37 pm / quote |
Burpbelly :
top notch article liked 'the holiest of all chords, the open E' that made me smile, and ye i agree with you. But ye probably the best article i've read and one of the few i've read all the way through recently
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 02:44 pm / quote |
4string-tsurigi :
what about a mid level instrument with an amp that has a nice good sound(i think), then getting a job and working up to getting a good rig?

or is that a crock of shit?

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 02:54 pm / quote |
Y00p :
This is how Jeremy Clarkson would write if he knew guitars. Though I doubt you UC of A know who the hell that is...

Good article, so my taste in humour.

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 03:06 pm / quote |
sillybuuger12 :
10* excelently written humorous informative and makes an excelent point well done
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 03:09 pm / quote |
Scourge441 :
This is one of the msot useful things I have ever read. I have to show this to every musician I know now.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 03:17 pm / quote |
wdw115 :
greta article, except I have one small issue with it. By me there's Guitar Center and a few small places and then a Sam Ash. GC is by far the biggest store out of all of them, and they actually do carry the best stuff there. Then again, I've been told by friends who work there, that every other GC that they call for stuff seems like they're loaded with idiots. And not to sounds like I'm making things up, but the one here has sold instuments like PRS dragons, higher end warwicks and many other good guitars. Other than that, I actually found this really good and kinda funny to read.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 04:14 pm / quote |
The_Man_IV :
Man amazing Article. 10!
Alot of this stuff reffers to me. And my friend's...

ALl be taking some of this advie hoepfully Helps me out(which i think it will)

ROCK ON!

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 04:26 pm / quote |
nathan.price :
awesome man...
I got a job just to buy some better equipment.
Now I have an Epiphone explorer, and a love it, and with the money I make, I'm getting a Marshall half-stack This december.

And I chose the epiphone instead of gibson because I liked the epi better, not because it was cheaper.

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 05:06 pm / quote |
dimebag420666 :
the map thing is funny... who doesnt know there way around there own town?
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 06:13 pm / quote |
SurfinWithSatch :
Great article, most of it is relevent to me...i left my old band coz all they wanted was the Nights Of Glory...thank god i left.
but yeh im just about to buy a new amp, so i shall take into account everything you mentioned
great help!!!

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 06:24 pm / quote |
VaiSatchLaiho :
I espcially enjoyed how you encouraged the young players instead of putting them down like quite a few others do. Good info.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 07:29 pm / quote |
Lydian_Mode :
good article, but, in general, is it better to play a shitty guitar through an awesome amp or the other way around?
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 07:30 pm / quote |
the_extremist00 :
really nice
some good tips for young n00bs just like me ¬¬
thank my parens i have an excelent amp and a crap-ass guitar, gonna buy a new one, and ill remember the tips here
thanks =)

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 07:51 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
very good article with a lot of good points. i do think that there is one other important thing to think about when you go shopping for a big piece of gear, the time. if you go on the weekend, chances are that the place will be packed if its a good store. now, go to that same store at 10:30 am on a tuesday, and chances are that its going to be empty, or close to it. go during the weekend when you want to have time without salespeople, go during the empty times to get help and buy stuff.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 08:23 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
Very thought-provoking. Pretty helpful to someone like me, who doesn't have much experience with buying equipment and playing with a band (some experience; just not much). I'll definitely give it a 10. If not for the extreme helpfulness of it all, then for the Star Wars reference which my nerd eyes easily caught. I applaud you for that.
Good column, and more helpful than most.

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 08:41 pm / quote |
Trail-OfDead :
Good article
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 08:56 pm / quote |
maggot4life :
exactly!! i got so excited when buying my new amp that i forgot about tube or solid state amps...came home n realised **** i wanted a tube....don let ur excitement ruin it!!!

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 09:12 pm / quote |
cerveza :
Great article, most of it is relevent to me...i left my old band coz all they wanted was the Nights Of Glory...thank god i left.
amen brother, i went through the same thing

POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 09:22 pm / quote |
prot :
yeah, i don't have a band, but i am looking for an amp. think i'm going with a v-tone powerpack by Behringer. It's a solid state, but 120 watt head with 400 watt cab... that aughtta throw some serious sound around, and go well with my strat and acoustic too.
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 10:48 pm / quote |
LSPapercutAP :
Awsome article man
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 11:09 pm / quote |
foomandan :
kick ass dude a very intresting article something to remember...
POSTED: 09/07/2006 - 11:53 pm / quote |
Wasp :
Fortunately it really isn't targeted at Americans...
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 06:23 am / quote |
orangepick :
bills music catonsville maryland is win !
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 07:13 am / quote |
ZootCst :
Your complaints about GC are valid, but there really
isn't any other music store around that has the selection that they do and the prices are usually good. The tricks are to find the right time of day to shop GC, right when they open, or just before they close and never trust a salesman, no matter what they're selling. They will also let you return stuff you don't want. You can take your new amp home, or to practice, or to a gig, and return it later. I've done this several times.

The rest of the article was right on, and fun to read.

POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 01:02 pm / quote |
Gibson_Rocker13 :
young jedi


isnt it padawa

POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 03:15 pm / quote |
timi_hendrix :
Nice article, the use of metaphors helped to clarify a lot of the points being made. Well written.
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 04:25 pm / quote |
Cal UK :
Nice article very helpful.
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 06:19 pm / quote |
Redmnm :
mmm yes quite good quite good

POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 06:59 pm / quote |
demonhunter2 :
good article, but quit hating on GC
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 08:06 pm / quote |
Gutch220 :
I would never let other bands use my/our gear. Sucks for them, they should come prepared
POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 09:37 pm / quote |
HavokStrife :
Wow, great read!

It's so true too. You're gunna be so much happier in the long run by not buying that pretty cool Line 6 and waiting out for that tube amp that you can tweak exact tones with. But this is a great way to make a selection. It's funny, a Guitar Center just opened up about five minutes away from me last night. I went, it's pretty big, they have a friggen wall of strings and picks, I'll definately be buying that stuff there, and the recording stuff was cool to check out, but yeah, mediocre amps and mediocre guitars. I don't think I saw one tube amp, nor an ESP. They had some serious high end PRS, Gibsons, and Fenders.. that I have absolutely no interest in. I still think I'm sticking with ebay with my big time purchase...

POSTED: 09/08/2006 - 11:03 pm / quote |
ETmyday :
Thanks man i was looking to upgrade my gear I think this will Hell-p me out.
POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 12:05 am / quote |
Led_Zeppelin992 :
Nice article!
POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 07:18 am / quote |
wdw115 :
I don't think I saw one tube amp, nor an ESP. They had some serious high end PRS, Gibsons, and Fenders.. that I have absolutely no interest in. I still think I'm sticking with ebay with my big time purchase...


Thats actually a good point about guitar center, as much as they may have, their selection still is somewhat limited. They also vary from store to store because of the used equipment. You may not find the brand you're looking for, but also like what's said in the article, that's why you dont just choose 1 store to get your gear from.

Before I read this article, I lucked out by following the same plan. I almost settled for a warwick rockbass, instead I waited, saved up, and now own my doublebuck which I absolutly love.

POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 09:31 am / quote |
limefan913 :
This is a great article. Its diffacult to do this in my area, as many of the music stores have closed or are far away. Even Guitar Center is 45 minutes away, which is a shame. This area used to be a mecca for rock music. A few small recording studios, lots of bars, hell, Paul Gilbert's parents live 15 minutes away from me.

Either way, great article.

POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 01:55 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
checked
POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 03:29 pm / quote |
NemesisX :
I have a great amp (A lovely Vox) and I'm saving like crazy to get myself an ESP EX-400. Oh so soon.. I can't wait.

Damn good article. Really really good.

I've got a quality shop at the bottom of my road. Never done me wrong

POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 05:51 pm / quote |
guitarwhiz234 :
good article , its just a great story for the bands starting out . its so true to . keeo up the good work
POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 06:37 pm / quote |
nomad911 :
totaly true, i hate guitar center, they dont know crap about anything theyre sellin cause they have way too much stuff and inexperienced employes, i love small guitar shops, great places to just hang out even if ur not buyin a guitar
POSTED: 09/09/2006 - 07:02 pm / quote |
MTVget0FFtheAIR :
awesome article, you've helped me tons



very good article with a lot of good points. i do think that there is one other important thing to think about when you go shopping for a big piece of gear, the time. if you go on the weekend, chances are that the place will be packed if its a good store. now, go to that same store at 10:30 am on a tuesday, and chances are that its going to be empty, or close to it. go during the weekend when you want to have time without salespeople, go during the empty times to get help and buy stuff.

good tip, thanks



POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 02:40 am / quote |
TSmitty6 :
i dont relly go to guitar center anymore, i went once and talked to this 50 year old guy whod been playing guitar since the 70s prolly, knew alot, lota help. but then the next time i go i talk to this douche bag trying to sell me a gibson even though i said no thanks he kept pushin it in fronta my face so i left.
great article by the way

POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 03:28 am / quote |
beefyboy232 :
my nearest guitar shop that isnt total crap, and we dont have a GC here either in Hawaii, on any island till next year, is kinda expensive but they encourage you to play everything. "You really seem to like that one. Go ahead, crank it up to 10 to see how well it handles loud volumes. what kind of guitar do you have? for the money may i suggest..." and this is what ive gotten at any store i go into cause all of them are mom-and-pop. and now, from the sounds of it, i dont want to go to GC anymore. thanks for the article... itll be really helpful down the road.
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 04:13 am / quote |
-spiderman- :
I chose the $99 Walmart guitar over Gibson because it played better and not because it was cheaper.
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 04:53 am / quote |
justinp93 :
-spiderman- wrote:

I chose the $99 Walmart guitar over Gibson because it played better and not because it was cheaper.


join my band.

nice article, very good read

POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 10:43 am / quote |
E V H 5150 :
Yeah, my friend has been spending a lot of money on his equipment. And he plays like crap. I think I'll take advantage of this article, and one day, my equipment will be much better than his. Thanks.
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 12:19 pm / quote |
Purple_Slurpie :
I really enjoyed reading this. It all is very true also. I was in a band, but most of the equipment was mine. My bandmates then had the idea that all of the stuff was theirs... then one day, *Yoink* I took it all back and no more music for them.

And also if you think that you can't start playing becuase you don't have any money... Look at one very good example... James Marshall Hendrix. Jimi started with an acoustic guitar with one e string.

POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 03:00 pm / quote |
SoulRebel1989 :
good article
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 04:12 pm / quote |
jimiismydaddy :
You just hit my life story and my struggle with my band. I am the only serious one in my band, we practice at my house, eat my food, use my vocal equipment, my mics, my recording stuff. Then they expect shares of our prize money.
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 06:42 pm / quote |
fox69 :
nicely done man
POSTED: 09/10/2006 - 07:13 pm / quote |
racerj :
someone must have had a bad experience w/ GC because they're really not that bad at all. They're like the Walmart of music stores. Also, you dont need to go out spending money right away. A great musician can make a POS guitar and POS amp sound like a million bucks. Make sure music is a hobby you want to enjoy and get better at throughout the years.

Also, not holding out for something really really nice and instead buying something mid-range can be beneficial. If you're stuck in a rut w/ your playing, buying something new can give you more encouragement to keep playing your instrument. As you get better you'll start to get out of these ruts a lot easier and that's when you can start saving money for really nice equipment.

POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 01:21 am / quote |
FenderOnTheRise :
Psh I've never heard of Guitar Center until now. If anyone lives in Ohio and nows where Bradner is then you know where I live. In the middle of f*cken no where! It sucks cause I have to drive 20 miles to get to a decent guitar shop. Amazing article by the way. So far I see not one bad comment.;D
POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 04:58 pm / quote |
xhaling :
Excellent read, although I do have to agree with racerj.

I completely agree about the "don't spend loadsa money on your equipment too early" idea. There's only so far you can go on bottom end equipment, so it's best to work up through the stages of equipment instead of going straight from bottom to top. You might end up never gettin a gig in your life and losing interest...being left with a nice guitar and amp gathering dust in the corner, but without the 6 months wages you earned to pay for it.

POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 07:04 pm / quote |
The_Raven :
Gas? You mean petrol (yeah; im Aussie.

Good article. 9 out of 2

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 02:00 am / quote |
merabharatmahan :
nice article man...
POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 04:10 am / quote |
EmancipatedSoul :
Relevent, Nicely Done
POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 11:35 am / quote |
elastic :
You obviously know very little about guitar economics if you think guitar gear is expensive. A good rig,say boogie, les paul, and pedals will set you back way less than a decent violin, or fluglehorn. Guitar gear is cheap. 2nd hand gear is often very cheap and if well chosen and maintained will last a lifetime.

by the way open A is way more dynamic.

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 04:04 pm / quote |
SMterminator :
money isnt always the same as quality. Marshall amps have the same stuff in them as some of the other brands but because other people havent seen other brands and stick to the mainstream stuff. My dad repairs amps and guitars for a living and some of the marshall stuff is exactly the same quality as another brand, its just the marketing from marshall that have made them huge.

//Rant over//

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 07:10 pm / quote |
SMterminator :
Sorry for the double post but also if you are only just starting out, buy a cheap guitar and if you dont like it well then you have only wasted maximum of like $200 instead of $1000 for an awesome rig that you might sell and get shit all back for.
POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 07:12 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
I thought this was going to be about how Economic Policy/Macro Economics affects bands. Like the effect of small inflation rises on the cost of recording studio hire.



Checked.

POSTED: 09/13/2006 - 12:18 am / quote |
oklahoma pie :
thats some great advice, hopefully i'll be able to use it someday.
POSTED: 09/13/2006 - 10:12 pm / quote |
Nesh34 :
gud article, but the holiest of holy chords is
E at fret 7 on the A string.

nice advice, our band has already followed this, we each finance our own part of the band (guitar, bass drums etc).

We've earnt over £1000 in our first year of gigging, with which we've been able to buy a PA system, and sum monitors so we can organise some of our own gigs.

POSTED: 09/14/2006 - 11:59 am / quote |
Fecker :
Nice article, I gave it a 10... because that's just what I was thinking nowdays
POSTED: 09/17/2006 - 09:45 am / quote |
jagstang365 :
-spiderman- :
I chose the $99 Walmart guitar over Gibson because it played better and not because it was cheaper.


i love you lol...yeah i played a $999.99 Gibson SG and thought it sucked really bad...great article, even though i love guitar center.

POSTED: 09/19/2006 - 02:12 pm / quote |
eells :
elastic wrote:

You obviously know very little about guitar economics if you think guitar gear is expensive. A good rig,say boogie, les paul, and pedals will set you back way less than a decent violin, or fluglehorn. Guitar gear is cheap. 2nd hand gear is often very cheap and if well chosen and maintained will last a lifetime.

by the way open A is way more dynamic.


dumbass, guitar economics has nothing to do with violins or flugehorns, they are not guitars! when ur spending an entire paycheck (or 2, or more) on a guitar or amp, thats a serious investment. and if ur buying a violin or something like that, thats all your buying. u dont need an amp/cab. or a head, and effects are more or less useless, unless ur buying an electric violin.

anyways awsome article. i was debating to buy one now or save up some more, now im definatley saving way more.

POSTED: 09/20/2006 - 08:58 pm / quote |
jcthomasva :
Horse-squeeze. Useless information. Sweeping generalizations against a beloved music instrument retailer. D-

And purchasing a guitar or amp is not an investment, since most guitars and other music equipment don't appreciate in value, but actually depreciate (like most consumer goods) immediately after they are purchased. Your lessons and training are the investment that might actually pay off later, not the guitar.

POSTED: 09/21/2006 - 07:05 pm / quote |
Funkbass796 :
Aint it the truth. I have a friend who shelled out a grand for a gibson sg...what of his amp you ask? A Marshall MG250dfx...needless to say I nearly took a brick to his head because he bought a rather crappy amp when he could've gotten a sweet tube amp or something of the like. Oh well, some people just aren't lucky enough to have UG.
POSTED: 10/06/2006 - 06:24 pm / quote |
BlazeBanderez :
This article reminded me of Lord of the rings.

Started out nice and humourous. Drew me in and kept me reading. But then the light heartedness gos. The initial idea is destroyed and jsut turns into a rant about how people screwed up his kit when he didn't get payed, and how he doesn't like people showing off. Then towards the end, tried to regain some credit by attempting to relate the past 2/3's of the article to the title.

Sorry. Didn't think it was useful at all.

POSTED: 04/22/2007 - 01:09 pm / quote |
Stuthedew_666 :
I agree, you have to wait to strike. I looked for a really long time and sometimes it's just chance, but I found some awesome vintage shit. Someone died or something to that effect and 2 large 15" woodson cabs ended up in this local antique store. These are an early sixties offshoot of Kustom when the company devided up. They're solid state and a very awesome find. I only had to pay 80$ for them. It was a steal. A replacement 15" speaker alone would cost more than that.
POSTED: 03/02/2008 - 08:39 pm / quote |
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