New Wave Of Same Old Metal

I am a fan of loud music. I like my metal as hard and fast as it gets and I’m always looking to see what’s new and happening at the moment, because you can only listen to ‘Master Of Puppets’ so many times before your girlfriend leaves you. Thus, I have been taken with the entire New Wave of American Heavy Metal-thing for the past year or so. Bands like Killswitch Engage, Atreyu, Return to Reason (Go Amsterdam!), Avenged Sevenfold, Unearth and the like have been spinning in my cd player ever since I first caught wind of Killswitch’s second record: Alive Or Just Breathing. I guess a lot of people will file a lot of these bands under ‘emo’ or ‘screamo’, but I like NWOAHM better, and feel it fits the genre more.

As with any style of music, there is a limit to how much of the same you can stand and I have lately been feeling like we’re getting there with this particular branch of loud rawk. I’ve been trying to figure out for myself why we arrived at this point so very soon, as the genre itself has not nearly been as overplayed and commercialized as the late Nu-metal. Maybe the problem is actually to be found within that particular type of heavy music. Arguably, the NWOAHM has evolved from these musician’s love for eighties speed and trash metal, with the need to take it to a different place. So they used the groove and attitude found in Nu-metal and combined the two to create something that potentially could be Ãœber-metal. And in my humblest of opinions: it can be, at times. But maybe the combination of metal with a different kind of metal just gets old more quickly than genre-breaking combinations like crossover or Nu-metal.

I really enjoy the combination of emotive vocals and loud, intricate riffs as can be found on Killswitch’s ‘The End Of Heartache’ or Atreyu’s ‘Curse’. The stop-and-go riff, that could be seen as the signature trait of the style, has had bands come up with the most compelling and musically challenging time-signatures and it can create tension in a song like no other musical trick before it. Just check Unearth’s Oncoming Storm for what I feel are some of the best examples of this.

Yet, I feel the end is nigh. Why? You might ask. Well, it dawned on me last Thursday, when I went to see Atreyu and a bunch of support acts in a club somewhere in town. Usually, when a band like Atreyu comes to Europe, they are supported by local acts because they are simply not big enough over here yet to haul a support around the globe. This time was different, however, and they had built the show into some kind of mini-festival that also incorporated, amongst others: He Is Legend and Norma Jean. Two bands I did not know, but a friend of mine that is into this stuff way too much told me they were absolutely fantastic. They were not. They were bands trying very much to fit in all the genre-specific tricks and licks, and all of them looked exactly like the guys in Atreyu.

The worst thing was that they sounded so much like the headliner that I was kind of fed up with all of it two songs into Atreyu’s set. Now, I realize that sometimes support acts aren’t the greatest thing in the world, but I remember seeing some of the best bands ever just before the one I had actually paid to see. Mudvayne once made it impossible for Metallica to even try to top their performance. I once left halfway through a Slayer show because I just didn’t care anymore after having seen System Of A Down open up for them. I don’t even want to talk about Fear Factory having to go on stage after Slipknot just played their first show in Europe. In my opinion, this was due to the fact that they were so very different from the ‘Big Names’. They borrowed what they could use from their influences, and took it where it would go. Last Thursday, I felt like I was at a hip-hop show. Everybody looked and sounded the same. That is just not cool.

So I’m wondering whether it’s just me, or is this already a genre that has seen it’s peak and will fade from now? The fact that I felt that these newer, younger bands had clearly adjusted their music and style to be more like the more successful ones in the scene, is to me a sign of a genre losing it’s momentum. It is very reminiscent of the last days of Nu–metal. Usually it takes a band or album that does something completely different to wipe out a style of music and give music a much-needed overhaul, but I couldn’t name anything in this case if you held a gun to my head. Many people have predicted the end of metal many times before; can it be that we’ve really reached the end of our rope this time?

Please know that this is an article that states my very personal opinion and that I in no way expect anyone to agree with me. Feel free to comment on anything you disagree with.

-Maxx

Comments

[BlueViper1998]

hmmm
grunge...alternative...poppunk...nu metal.. emo whats next?

[ukdudeinuk]

That stuff isnt quite metal, more metal influenced. Shadows Fall is better than they ever were, and they have more fans than they ever have, Megadeth is releasing a greatest hits album, thatll undoubtedly get some new kids into old school metal and stuff, and since they are already influenced by the Atreyu type music, maybe they will come up with something vaguely different.

[evilwoman]

well... i dunno

[chevsscamaro67]

yes shadows fall is the best band to come out most recently

[metal_maiden1]

next big rock thing will probably be indie. its getting bigger and bigger...

[HendrixFan434]

Indie rock is the best rock still around pretty much

[CobainenHeralyn]

The genre is metal-core...if we are gonna be specfic....like ukdudeinuk said it isn't quite metal, more metal/hardcore/emo and its not really American specific...Caliban and Cult Of Luna fit in and their from Germany and Sweden(?) respectivley. Yeah, and i hope that the end isn't nigh for it cause its a sweet genre, just is lackin abit of orginality atm...

[PistolPeet]

indie rock is total crap. so is emo, so is meatal nowadays. music has almost died and its sad because it used to be so amazing

[Cyrus-602]

most of those are hardcore/metalcore or emo, and to the point its just changing cant stay the same for ever, i do prefer older stuff tho

[thedankle]

PistolPeet:
indie rock is total crap. so is emo, so is meatal nowadays. music has almost died and its sad because it used to be so amazing

i agree. most indie sux except if you listen to some old modest mouse. there new stuff sux

[SiD3_eFf3cT]

i could't agree more with this article

[SethMegadefan]

Indie rock isn't all bad. It's a genre where you really can distinguish between each band because they're all doing what they want to do without any big-shot producers telling them how they should sound. Then again, there are some pretty shitty indie groups out there... but it's not all bad.
As far as emo and nu-metal... I just don't like those styles at all.
About the article... I sort of agree with where you're going with this and what you're trying to say, but to be honest, rock and metal really isn't dying as much as you think it is. There are still great bands out there today, granted not as many as there used to be, but just because we've hit a bit of a rough patch in music doesn't mean the music's going to be gone. It'll make a comeback someday, I'll bet. Don't be sad for what we've lost, just be happy for what there still is left of it.
And I totally agree with you on the hip hop thing; everything sounds the same.

[axeslinger01]

i dfk

[that1dude]

i partialy agree.....yes the mainstream stuff is more screamo but there are still great bands out there....i just went to a show a couple weeks ago....5 bands of them none sounded alike.....1 was kinda screamo but they still kicked seriouse ass....hopefully it will go back to metal and not screamo....btw the 5 bands were unhinged, saint dioblo(think both are pretty local), and the other 3 were manntis, cyn, and a dozen furies...it was the battle for ozzfest tour

[Jpinales2004]

Indie sucks for the most part but I can listen to some songs.

[Tyler the Great]

People saying indie sucks really have no clue what they are talking about. Indie can be anything, it isn't even a genre, it just means no record label. Indie rock, indie hiphop, indie metal, indie prog, indie jazz, indie folk, indie neoclassicalavantfolkmetalfusion, you name it. As for the article, great article, but just because this genre died quickly doesn't mean that rock is doomed. There will always be great artists out there....

[SRVGuitarFreak]

what is indie

[kornrules09]

maybe the "metal" acts are not genre biased and open to other music. And yes, Shadows fall is the best band to come out in a long time.

[Diceman42]

NWOAHM? honestly?

The only New Wave of Heavy Metal belongs to the Brits in 1979.

[areguzanda]

avenged sevenfold .. isnt metal ..
they are more metal-core or screamo .. but they are a great band..

anyway not a great article .. but not a total waste of time

[clockwork555]

metallica not able to top off mudvayne? U must leave the heroin dude.

[powerage225]

dude you totally suck
you can listen to MOP a jillion times and it only gets better
IF YOU CARE MORE ABOUT YOUR GIRLFRIEND THAN PUPPETS YOU SUCK
by the way not-kudos on these other bullshit obscenities:
YOU SUCK FOR WALKING OUT OF A SLAYER CONCERT
NEW METAL SUCKS
AVENGED SEVENFOLD SUCKS X 20
i also agree with diceman42 ..^^^

[frsrblch]

I have to say Im with powerage here. The giants of metal will always reign, and all those who follow can only hope to walk in their footsteps.

[Metallica420]

WTF does NWOAHM mean??!!and WTF is Nu-Metal??! god there's to many god damn words for things these days.

peace

[Metallica420]

I give this article negative 5 stars it was boring and there was no point.

peace

[`NeXxuS`]

YOUR LISTENING TO METALCORE AND HARDCORE, YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO METAL!

[Twilight]

I saw I think 3 metal bands in that whole article. The rest are just really jacked up emo. Granted, some of it is pretty decent, but some just sucks, and its most definitely not metal.

[slashwyldepage]

metallica420 is pretty dumb. i wish i was kidding. stupid potheads.

[MonkeyAteMySoul]

meh, nothing ever really dies it just goes underground



apart from people actually they tend to do both

[Kornnut36]

WTF is up with labeling music, Good Music is Good Music. I listen to Everything, If we stuck to one type or gen we would be missing out on good new music, Oh and Master of Puppets Well never get old!

[SickMetal]

That isn't metal at all. You walked out on a fucking Slayer show for System of a Down?! You walked out on fucking Metallica for Mudvayne?! You get tired of Master of fucking Puppets?! One star for you.

[monkeyspks]

Great article... i'm not into the whole genre-bashing thing at the moment so i'm not going to say anything about that, but i do think those bands you mentioned are more metal-INFLUENCED. i heart atreyu though.

[Zavorash]

I can't stand these people that go around shouting "metal is dead!" or "metal is on its way out!". No, it's not. And it never will.

Why? Because metal satisfies something that no other genre can. It's loud, agressive, and unapologetic. Where else can you headbang? Where else can you hear screaming guitar solos and pounding double bass?

Metal is forever. Sometimes it makes its way to the forefront of things; sometimes it recedes to the underground. But it will never, ever die.

[ironman316]

To me, metal now is like, soilwork. good old sweden - they've never let us down lol. i consider them metal. other bands like lamb of god, unearth, norma jean, that's all metalcore, hardcore and stuff like that. screamo fyi, is like emery and funeral for a friend. they scream but they also have really emo lyrics and sometimes some metal in the music.

[cloudnine]

There is no such thing as the New Wave of American Heavy Metal. It is almost all unmitigated garbage, and the supposed saviours from Scandinavia do nothing but growl or screech into the mic as they sludge along with their Drop-Q guitars and random drumming.

Metal has been dead for awhile.

Okay, maybe not dead, but dormant. I can count on one hand the number of good metal bands around today.

And no, it's not fvcking Shadows Fall or any of that garbage, either.

[LedZeppelin]

I had an opposite experience...I just started to get into metalcore and stuff (yeah I like new wave of american metal better, though I wish metalheads could just get off their high horses and accept that music with near-constant screaming is basically metal...) and I went to an As I Lay Dying concert and it was great, it made me like the genre even more. I think it's too early to declare nu-metal dead as well- bands like Slipknot and Mudvayne are still carrying the genre, essentially, on their shoulders- and doing a damn good job. Both bands are very talented. The problem is that, yeah, a lot of the bands do sound the same. Unearth and AILD are very similar. But if you listen to ones with a unique sound, like All That Remains or Shadows Fall, you won't get caught up in the monotony of the scene. Don't declare the new wave, metalcore, or whatever you wanna call it dead yet- give it some time, as more bands come along and mix new styles into the genre (Jazz and prog for Dillinger Escape Plan, thrash for Shadows Fall), its lifetime will be extended and people will start to take it much more seriously.

[Rock agnst Bush]

Angry people suck.

You guys need to go smoke some weed, put on Ummagumma by Pink Floyd, and RELAX.

As for now... Im ditching on this whole ANGRY scene.
and for the record, potheads are not stupid.

[dude15]

met a pothead once, he was stupid ass hell

[tragik]

yeah it's totally metalcore you're talking about here man, and I agree with you that pretty much all the bands now are trying to sound like Atreyu or Killswitch. BTW Atreyu's The Curse might have been the best album released in 2004 so do yourself a favor and pick it up

[ChordMonger]

none of the stuff thats out there now is lasting. metal i still very much alive and it will come back in its true form within a decade or 2 (my guess).

[claydo]

Metal will never die - its imbred in us all. As for all this emo/metalcore etc etc (whatever!!!) crap you punks feel you have a right to categorise, you lack the same strength as these new genres do.

[Cookie_master]

Leaving Slayer...?

[LeoKhenir]

I thought that the whole NWOAHM thingy was this weird mixup of hardcore, nu-metal and emo, but I could be nice and ***ed up.

However, I don't listen to it. I play NWOBHM if I'm gonna do some NW, and if your girlfriend leaves after hearing Master of Puppets a zillion times, let her go. Find another one. There's more fishes in the bowl.

And will someone PLEASE kill Fred Durst? Please?

[southern_stylin]

Face it boys....metal has become the new punk, it's not dead, it just sucks now. And what the hell is with all the 'core names. Fuck off. Metal is metal. You start splittin' it up into these mini-genres and that's whats killing it. Besides, BLS has been around for a while now, and Slipknot, Fear Factory, shit even Metallica, so *** off.

[Unknown Soul]

i agree...it's labeling all the different sounds of metal with "-core" at the end of it that's killing the metal scene. i mean look at it this way...they dared call bands like motley crue and bon jovi and cinderella and poison metal bands by deeming them "hair metal". the true metal bands of that era were metallica, megadeth, and slayer (just to name a few examples without going through everyone else that emerged in the 80s...TRAAAASH!!!)

it may have been metal (i don't feel so...more like pop-oriented classic rock) but at the same time labeling it "hair metal" has given it a bad moniker, much like "nu-metal" has given the modern wave of metal a bad name.

[hsimah-ESP]

I dunno about Metalcore or any of that shit. To me Nu Metal was Korn. That rap stuff that kids liked to get expelled for.

To me good cureent day metal is all over in Europe. I mean In Flames, Children Of Bodom etc. All great. Chaimaira is ok.

If my girlfriend was to leave me for playing an album too much I'd sacrifice her to Satan 666 this bitch!

[rusted embrace]

I think everyone just needs to stop labeling everything and try enjoying themselves and the music instead of trying to be so scene all the time. And yeah, when indie becomes the new pop punk, it will be a sad day.

[darkstar9814]

It was good, i didnt really agree with it, but i respect your opinion.

[NWOAHM_cain]

Atreyu are not NWOAHM dickhead, wise up, A7X dont desrve a mention anywhere and the fact that The End Of Heartache was supposedly a good thing of it is bullshit

check out Lamb Of God, ATR and Shadows Fall bitches

[SethMegadefan]

^Lamb of God? ATR? Shadows Fall? You're kidding, right?

[DisturbedIbanez]

Disturbed is the best thing to happen to metal in tyhe last decade. And like what everyone else said, you can't forget Shadows Fall.

[Evil Noodle]

^ Is it a joke? I hope so. Disturbed are terrible, they play nothing put Dropped-D tuned riffs. And i don't think that Nu-Metal is "late" as it hasn't died out. Unless you mean "of late", then i would agree. Dragonforce are the best Metal band out there at the moment, well, Power Metal anyway.

[Emenius Sleepus]

Disturbed is the best thing to happen to metal in tyhe last decade

dude... u have a sick sense of humour,.. As much as I respect Distrubed for playing what they like, how they like, they are not a good band... Down with the sickness had a few good songs on it, but no way sensational...Shadows Fall wasn't too bad though

[azkonceptz]

atreyu and sevenfold fall into the punk category

[TheParallelFth]

Face it boys....metal has become the new punk, it's not dead, it just sucks now. And what the hell is with all the 'core names. Fuck off. Metal is metal. You start splittin' it up into these mini-genres and that's whats killing it.

EXACTLY! EX-***ing-ACTLY!

I think everyone just needs to stop labeling everything and try enjoying themselves and the music instead of trying to be so scene all the time. And yeah, when indie becomes the new pop punk, it will be a sad day.

Oh my god... intelligent comments on UG. I never thought I'd see the day...

[xxgenocide98xx]

Killswitch Engage, Atreyu, Return to Reason (Go Amsterdam!), Avenged Sevenfold, Unearth

ARE NOT METAL. If your girlfriend leaves you because you listen to master of puppets too much, you need to put that bitch down anyway. My girlfriend likes metallica, and metal, and before she met me she hardly even listened to anything besides pop-punk-ish and techno.

There are plenty of metal bands, plenty of NEW acts and old ones that you havent even heard of. Someone mentioned Dragonforce. Best new metal(NOT NU METAL) band since their debut, they absolutely ROCK.

I have no ***ing clue why you would WALK OUT ON SLAYER. You should be beat with a ***ing spiked wooden plank. I don't know how MUDVAYNE would steal the snow from metallica, because mudvayne are nu-metalling bastards. You're just blatantly retarded. You listen to Emo/Screamo hardcore and METALCORE but NOT METAL. You've basically said you've given up on metal for other genres. Well thats great, you're an idiot.

Metal is still very much thriving, look in the UG metal forum. Metal doesn't 'suck' now, it will never suck. It will kick unlimited amounts of ass for all time. I could go on and on about new and sucessful metal acts, but JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT HEAR THEM ON THE RADIO DOESNT MEAN THEY DONT EXIST. SHUT UP AND LOOK FOR THEM, DONT COMPLAIN, ITS ANNOYING AS FUCK.

You sir, are an idiot.

[Night_Lights]

Diceman42:
NWOAHM? honestly?

The only New Wave of Heavy Metal belongs to the Brits in 1979.

amen brother.


your article sucks. opinions shouldnt be in articles, they go in the forums.


none of the bands mentioned even qualify as metal. Go back to your Korn and Atreyu CDs. hope you never step into the metal forum.

I have no ***ing clue why you would WALK OUT ON SLAYER. You should be beat with a ***ing spiked wooden plank. I don't know how MUDVAYNE would steal the snow from metallica, because mudvayne are nu-metalling bastards. You're just blatantly retarded. You listen to Emo/Screamo hardcore and METALCORE but NOT METAL. You've basically said you've given up on metal for other genres. Well thats great, you're an idiot.

2nd amen brother. Who on earth would leave a REAL METAL band for some stupid nu-metal band.


this article tells me quite clearly, that you dont like REAL METAL, such as slayer, and are a devout NUMETAL fan. go get raped by a duck.



and what is this about metal sucking? Dumbass, the only metal you ever heard in your life is whats on the radio. bands like Children of Bodom and Opeth are keeping the metal scence alive.


1 star.

You sir, are an idiot.

quite so.

[Bing]

Well in a way he's right. I saw Mnemic, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility and Hipocrisy last night. Don't get me wrong, they all ***ing rock but at times it felt like it was the same band.

[wanna_lick_me?]

huh...you guys are probably gonna linch me for saying this, but instead of looking for new stuff, why dont u look for really old stuff?? i mean like Led Zep and shit. you might find out that you actually like them. yeah, I know Led Zeppelin is not what most of you people would call "heavy" but still...

[GuitaPlaya]

metal sux period

[Einzigerfan03]

my personal opinion on this whole thing is that music goes in a circle one thing will be popular and then its over. I am actually hoping this wont happen to the Hardcore/Metalcore/Emo/Screamo genres why? because they're are some really great bands in those genres. I mean if nu-metal didnt get as commerical as it did im pretty sure it'd be around alot longer.but people need to understand that and honestly i dont think the whole core/emotional thing will get played out because i dont think it has enough mainstream appeal.so it will definitely be around a lot longer the nu-metal.

[krookedjay]

In my opinion metal will never die, just the sub-genres and the not as hard-hitting styles. To continue, metal should not stray too far from its roots, but should also be reinventive and fresh at the same time, because repetition gets boring. Very boring.

[Anti_Samurai]

Phf. Metal won't die. Just fade. Proof of this if the "Straight-Edgers" out there playing music with heavy, overdriven distortion. Metal used to be about going out, getting hammered, and having sex. Now these kids are singing about the total opposite of that.

I can't say I'm a metal head or anything like that (hell, I'm listening to the Sex Pistols as I type this) but I don't really think those bands are really full-on metal bands. I but most of them wouldn't even acknowledge that Areosmith was one of the first "metal" bands out there before heavy was out there.

I'm a purist. Ignore me. I think people have forgoten the roots.

[Poly!]

The problem today...With "nu-metal","screamo", and that shit is YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING LYRICS. TRUE Metal is Iron Maiden, Metallica, 80's Ozzy, Sabbath,Pantera, etc.We need some ***ing bands that will bring back solos and good singers. Last week I went to a Motley Crue concert and it rocked hard! The Crue could beat any "nu-metal", "screamo", "metal-core" or whatever the *** you wanna call it even if they're old.

[nirvana4lf]

if there comes a new band that does all this shit, they should play cool solos, but still be able to seperate themselves from maiden, priest, megadeth, metallica, etc.

[painedexpress]

I think as some have said sub-genres are the worst thing to happen to music.
Aerosmith wasn't the first metal band out there at all, not by a long shot. They say that Black Sabbath truly brought metal its sense and style. All in all metal, punk, rock what ever the hell you wish to call genres are all based off of blues.

[StuartR]

All That Remains has "cool" solos and they sound different from them aswell. There is hardly any breakdowns or that HC stuff.

[guitare_kid13]

someone tell me where can i get ipods for cheap

[seil]

um... you silly genre people, if you learned how to appreciate music in general, you'll live a happier music listening life...

[x_themetalfan_x]

^ Preach brother!

[madbasslover]

I don't think originality has vanished, I just think it's taken a backseat to conformity. if one band sells, so does their clone, and every band on the metal scene wants a piece of that fame, they want that fat check and huge fanbase as well. who can blame 'em? still, if it lets the TRUE fans down, i don't think bands should kiss ass for the sake of money and a larger audience that will leave as soon as they start to return to their original sound.

[reed]

You tools, metal is not dead. The only reason you feel its dying is because you arn't listening to metal. There are tons of new bands that are just great, and old bands still releasing quality material. And if you disagree, just listen to the old stuff you love, get over yourself, and even (gasp) try new stuff out. Not like emo, or indie, I'm saying like classical or jazz. Those have continually evolved over the years, and people are still putting out great stuff. If you live in or near a semi-big city, theres a good chance that there will be a classical or jazz oriented scene, and those concerts typically cost less than a metal one. If i've got nothing better to do, I'll just head down to Jack Singer concert hall and see whats playing.

Sorry, rant over.

[reed]

And the great thing about both jazz and classical is that old greats like Duke Ellington or Mozart havn't lost any of their quality. The stuff they wrote is still just as powerful today as it ever was. And what they wrote is open to interpretation, so somebody can take their songs, and put their own spin on it for a great tune.

[guitare_kid13]

um... you silly genre people, if you learned how to appreciate music in general, you'll live a happier music listening life...

i agree with this guy

[Shadows_knot]

well i like to listen to wat i think is good, i cant say that metal is good cos there so many shitty metal bands out ther and just cos ther shitty it doesnt mean that ther not metal it just means they suk dick and need to get a new job. But yer Shadows Fall ther the only new band in the last few years i can really say are metal and GOOD, i wanna here a new trash metal band that is good, yer and i dont want no slayer or metallica copy

[r_lightning]

guitare_kid13:
um... you silly genre people, if you learned how to appreciate music in general, you'll live a happier music listening life...

i agree with this guy

And I agree with your both

[MetallichaoS]

1. Metal is Eternal,and will NEVER fade.
2. Most of those bands that were named (except Slayer, and older Metallica) are metalcore, hardcore, or nu-metal bands.
I suggest this person do some TRUE metal music exploration. The world consists of WAY more than those more mainstream names.

[madbasslover]

^ very true

[GNRobsessed013]

clockwork555:
metallica not able to top off mudvayne? U must leave the heroin dude.

-laughs-

MetallichaoS:
1. Metal is Eternal,and will NEVER fade.
2. Most of those bands that were named (except Slayer, and older Metallica) are metalcore, hardcore, or nu-metal bands.
I suggest this person do some TRUE metal music exploration. The world consists of WAY more than those more mainstream names.

^Cheers to that.

[YeagARoKkA]

SHADOWS FALL is the best band that has gome out in forever its basicly the new metallica

[AsILayDying05]

i love metal-core, hardcore, and metal all these genres rock. The only genre that I think sucks is Nu-Metal. I think the world of music is better today then it was 1o years ago. I think bands like Shadows Fall, Trivium, Darkest Hour, God Forbid, and many other bands really rock and are one of the best bands ive heard in along time. So what if they arent true metal. When I think of true metal I think of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath. Those were the ones that played true metal. Everything changes, just remember bands like Ratt, Poison, and Cinderella were called metal while bands like Pantera, Metallica, and Megadeth were being called metal also. Music evolves and never stays the same.

[Warlock4Lyfe]

First of all metal will never die as long as we have these good bandds around, Second this shit is an opinion it doesnt belong here,and third.....your a dick for leaving a Slayer concert. Metal forever\m/

[morello_man]

this article is pointless to me. I love pretty much all styles and the after every era of great music (example 80's thrash - metallica, slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax) there is another era who listens to this music and puts there own spin on this genre, hence Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, Lamb Of God, Trivium etc. This genre is not dead. Metal as a genre is being used by people trying to create their own 'scene' or whatever. To me it's just wedge politics...divide and conquer so to speak. To all of those people who say that they know true metal - this is rubbish - there is no such thing - metal is what you make of it. If you don't like numetal, good for you...most of it is not great, but notice how i'm not going all out to bag numetal - just expressing my opinion. To people who say metalcore isn't metal...if it had nothing to do with metal it would not be called metal-core. Most of the metal bands i enjoy listening to have screaming in them, and maybe the occasional breakdown in a HC style but...essentially these bands are metal. So the bottom line is: When naming genre's, keep it general. That leaves room for interpretation for this listener to hear the music as they want to hear it, and enjoy it for what it is...metal music.

[Bluejay451]

"Metal is eternal." You seem to forget its less than 40 years old.

As long as ONE person has any interest in a genre it won't die. The problem is there's only so much you can do with a genre before it becomes another genre. And with 50 bajillion ***ing genres out there, and people unwilling to leave that mentality alone, yeah, it will die.

[firdaus125]

NU METAL SUX 4 LIFE

[Vinura]

^kudos man

The great Metal Bands are all from the 70s-80s
Metallica, Megadeth, Maiden, Motorhead Slayer, just to name a few

AND THE ONLY ON REAL METAL BAND I HAVE HEARD FROM THE 90S to 2000 is the children of Bodom

[MetallicaSG]

I don't know...there are some new bands that come out that seem to be giving us a breath of fresh air in the metal scene, like Trivium

[Slashfan#1]

I love rock n roll but the kids right I am one of the few people I know my age ( 22 ) that still listen Zepplin, GNR, Metallica,The stones ect... and I dont promote or like must of today's shit but lets face it all the young people know a day want be in a club grinding on a chick or vice versa, it sucks.

[JaredF]

What About SHADOWS FALL!!>?!?!?!?! Lamb of God would be in the new american metal too

this dude obviously isnt much into it

[southern_stylin]

Any kind of metal is still better than top 40.

[Punk as atticus]

Sum 41 is doing cool things because some of their songs sound like old school metal (like maiden, priest and metallica.) and their new album is the best metal i've heard in modern music. Listen to Iron Maiden or any old stuff..... Listen to the good metal these days like Dimmu Borgir or Children of Bodom

[Toad11]

Hey idiot when you are at a metal show, that means you have bands from the same genre so of course they are going to sound somewhat similar.

[eastern_riffs]

He posted his opinions in a big way.

He got them aggrandized,and there they were at the main page of this site.

Never heard of the forum?

[Davidleerothsha]

Right now I'm into the NWOABM, or the New Wave of American Bagpipe Music.

[nirvanafan11111]

what about Chimaira theya re more original then quite a few of the bands mentioned including killswitch engage(one solo in their latest album) another band vilely left out is iced earth they are also very original tsk tsk do ure hw

[MetallichaoS]

And most of you people don't even listen to metal therefore almost have no clue on what your typing...

[roach_head04]

he didnt walk out because he didnt like slayer he just couldnt handle it

[Spankey]

those bands arn't metal, they suck cock

[rapeme]

screamo and supposedly "punk" took over my highschool...

[rapeme]

o yah you guys who say indie sux r retards. do you even kno wat indie means?? it means independent so if you arent into creativity i say fall back in with hitler.

[Stagg_300]

WTF does NWOAHM mean???!?!?!?!? and indie does sorta suck...i like the idea, but the outcome is shit

[southern_stylin]

Well I must say that with bands like Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, as well as many others, it is pretty obvious that there is still a fanbase. I just wish all this pop garbage would fade already.

[MeGaDeth777]

You are right to say that it is getting old because this sub genre is boring. They are all just recreations of Killswitch and the other bands that broke first. The old stuff will always hold up if not be the best but in my opinion the stuff comming out of Sweeden is where it's at. Bodom is at the top of their game and Soilwork still kicks ass.

[MeGaDeth777]

By the way I'm sorry to tell you but Metallica suck major balls now

[madbasslover]

the most original band ever is fear factory. that's right, you KNOW IT! they were the first to band to combine singing and aggressive vocals, and they were the first band to synchronize the guitar with the double bass pedal to get that "boom" that's so common in today's hard rock and metal music. if you look at it in terms of who came up with what, nobody was completely original after fear factory came out

[monte]

this guy is an idiot. norma jean and he is legend are great bands and they sound NOTHING like atreyu!he needs to go hear their recorded stuff before he makes judgements on bands he knows nothing about. and for the record... THE CURSE SUCKED BALLS!

[tunskies]

i have nothing to say but....NU-METAL SUKS ANUS CAVITY

[Face of Melinda]

all i have to say that is these new(or old) bands are no way near bands like opeth, kalmah, norther, dissection, amon amarth, omnium gatherum, naglfar, finntroll, scar symmetry, insomnium or diarmonia mundi. these guys are so much better than clowns like shadows fall, killswitch engage, atreyu(shittiest band ever-wannabees) or bloody slipknot and they make so much better music. lamb of god are really good though. a truly good new american heavy metal band. talented ***ers. they rock. but the others are just so dull.....

[Nirvana101]

All the bands you are talking about suck fat balls. How can you think Mudvayne can top metallica.

YOU SUCK FOR WALKING OUT OF A SLAYER CONCERT

amen

[CobainenHeralyn]

i hate you ppl, *** you and your stupid ***ing bashes, opinions are just that, opinions, and if someone gets shot down for HIS opinion by a bunch of pricks who couldn't take the time to write their onw review, well *** them... Yay! for metalcore, cause if isn't gonna save metal...WTF! is?? Metallica?? yeah, we all saw how St. Anger did that....

[CvPrEpKiLLaH]

trivium \m,/

[zepp_headcrunge]

Mudvayne once made it impossible for Metallica to even try to top their performance

GIVE ME the SMALLEST ***ing brake

[The_Eddster]

i hate you ppl, *** you and your stupid ***ing bashes, opinions are just that, opinions, and if someone gets shot down for HIS opinion by a bunch of pricks who couldn't take the time to write their onw review, well *** them... Yay! for metalcore, cause if isn't gonna save metal...WTF! is?? Metallica?? yeah, we all saw how St. Anger did that....

I totally agree with CobainenHeralyn

[ILIKEMUSICALOT]

"This time was different, however, and they had built the show into some kind of mini-festival that also incorporated, amongst others: He Is Legend and Norma Jean. Two bands I did not know, but a friend of mine that is into this stuff way too much told me they were absolutely fantastic. They were not. They were bands trying very much to fit in all the genre-specific tricks and licks, and all of them looked exactly like the guys in Atreyu."

I'm going to be honest with you, the two bands you just claimed were trying to sound like Atreyu, that's total bullshit. For one, He Is Legend has a completely original sound. Only two songs on their CD is extremely heavy, and they have a few jazz sounding ones and soft rock ones. This is a band I really like. They retain their heavyness though, but they sound NOTHING like Atreyu. Second of all, Norma Jean, is 10x more insane that Atreyu. Keep in mind, that I do not like Norma Jean. Norma Jean is a certain kind of hardcore with vocals that sound similar to a monster. It's just wild, the parts sounds random, it's so crazy. Again, nothing like Atreyu.

Both He Is Legend and Norma Jean are Christian bands. He Is Legend doesn't actually preach about God. They spread word of how ridiculous some things can be in life. The bad things in life. The hypocritical situations. Norma Jean actually speaks about Christ and scriptures in the bible.

Finally, my last arguement. The lead vocalist for Atreyu is terrible. He cannot scream, it's some inward voice. It sounds similar to a pig. That and the fact that they have terrible lyrics. "She'll *** you just for the taste." Ok, that's about the gayest line I've heard.

[EET_FUK_BASS]

dude that's not even metal.....it's metalcore, and it sucks compared to the prog/power metal comin out now (or relatively recently)

see: Dream Theater, Symphony X, Iced Earth, Dragonforce, Sonata Arctica, etc. etc.

[ILIKEMUSICALOT]

Also, Atreyu has more a metal sound, but softer than normal. He Is Legend and Norma Jean retain a hardcore sound.

[southern_stylin]

What the hell? EET_FUK_BASS, what do you mean by "it's not metal, it's metal core". What the hell is the difference? It's like saying "it's not pop, it's pop core". Stop ***ing breaking things apart like that. Segregation has never worked in any instance. METAL IS METAL. Not metal core, hard core, scream core, or whatever the hell you kids call it these days.

[Kendawg4TooL]

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win... your still a retard. Keep that in mind people and just listen to whatever the *** you like. Don't let your old drunken uncles who are still wearing thier old Anthrax concert T's make you think music is dead and the only good music is old music. Because if we do we will never get out of this faze where 14 year olds who act like thier obsest with older bands even though they know nothing about them because they were still listening to solid gold oldies with thier moms and watching Sesami Streat when most of these bands were in thier prime.

powerage225:
dude you totally suck
you can listen to MOP a jillion times and it only gets betterIF YOU CARE MORE ABOUT YOUR GIRLFRIEND THAN PUPPETS YOU SUCK by the way not-kudos on these other bullshit obscenities:
YOU SUCK FOR WALKING OUT OF A SLAYER CONCERT
NEW METAL SUCKS AVENGED SEVENFOLD SUCKS X 20
i also agree with diceman42 ..^^^

^^ this dipshit is only 15 years old and he claims that his favorite bands are Zeppelin, Sabbath, and AC/DC. Fucking spare me! People like this haven't formed thier own musical tastes, now they ignorantly turn down new bands with no reason other than the fact that they are new and someone put this bizarre notion in thier head that nothing new can be good. It's pretty ***ing ridiculous when you claim to be all about the music that died in 90' and you were just learning to walk in 91'. Sorry to say but that shit can get old and alot of it's not as great as it's glorified to be. "Thunderstruck" "Iron Man" let's face it people, some of those songs are crap. Yet many still worship them because someone told them they should. If we want to start our own musical revolution then we need to stop listening to the ***ing baby boomers and get our shit together. Or else your younger brothers and nephews are going to be reading about metal in the history books because thier stuborn ass brothers and uncles wouldn't let the goddamn music live on, as a result they'll have to listen to shit like the Offspring, 3 Doors Down and a handfull of other shitty pop-punk bands that just won't die off like they should!

[kin]

THE HELL. This is not metal, or metalcore. ITS BS. The same thing that is happened to metal in the 80's is happening today; hardcore is being defiled, along with metal. All the bands listed up there are not either metalcore, emo, or metal. Atreyu and Norma Jean are NOT hardcore. This article pisses me off. Hah..."metalcore" saving metal...metal is dying due to this whole stupid scene of tight pant wearing black lipgloss laden idiots who think they are hardcore.

[askurmoran]

whats this mean: NWOAHM

[Gurgle!Argh!]

you think atreyu are better than norma jean?

you're music taste blows...

[Gurgle!Argh!]

oops. i cant type today. i meant your.

[Punk_Dude2005]

Vinura:
^kudos man

The great Metal Bands are all from the 70s-80s
Metallica, Megadeth, Maiden, Motorhead Slayer, just to name a few

AND THE ONLY ON REAL METAL BAND I HAVE HEARD FROM THE 90S to 2000 is the children of Bodom
[POSTED: 09 May 2005 - 06:36]|

Punk as atticus:
Sum 41 is doing cool things because some of their songs sound like old school metal (like maiden, priest and metallica.) and their new album is the best metal i've heard in modern music. Listen to Iron Maiden or any old stuff..... Listen to the good metal these days like Dimmu Borgir or Children of Bodom
[POSTED: 09 May 2005 - 181]|

Fuck yeah man Children of Bodom rock..but yo Vinura check out Kalmah I think you'll like em ..And yeah Sum 41s new album is the shit..Go check out the song The Bitter End..the crasiest solo I've ever heard in the last few years..If your a true metal head and you say it sucks ..Then you are one messed up person and just bash them because theyre mainstream..Hell that song's much better than any of the new Metallica

[Dogwillhunt]

Metallica isn't metal anymore... they haven't been since the Black album. And Sum 41 is metal?!?! What the s*** is that?!?! Not that Sum 41 isn't good, but they are far from metal.

[satanic_cigar]

Just one thing...

If you can't sit through a Slayer show after seeing System of a Down, you don't know anything about thrash or even metal. Please go away.

[slayer1516]

This article mentions no metal bands

[DeathTwitchNig]

Slayer sucks dude. Good musically but horrible vocals.
And you should be shot in the face for comparing He is Legend or Norma Jean to lame ass Atreyu.
Want good metal????
Lamb of God
Suicide Silence
Beneath The Sky
White Chapel