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The Devil's Horns: A Rock And Roll Symbol

author: sillybuuger12 date: 09/07/2005 category: junkyard
rating: 9 / votes: 83 

Contents

01. Intro
02. How to do it and Common Mistakes
03. The Origins of the Horns
04. How it entered rock
05. Overuse and Misuse?
06. Conclusion

01. Intro

The Devil's Horns hand gesture is one that has come to signify every thing rock. However these days it has become less and less so by it's overuse and misuse. In today's music market it appears that no band that claims to even be the tiniest bit rock can be photographed without at least one of them making this symbol.

02. How To Do It And Common Mistakes

Put your middle and ring fingers down into your palm whilst keeping the others straight, then place your thumb on top then either hold aloft, point at someone or hold across the chest.

Do not place your thumb underneath or hold out to the side, also never hold the thumb out always keep it on the middle two fingers or it will become the sign language for I love you, unless you're a hippie or in love with a deaf person it's not really appropriate is it? Here is a picture of it being done wrong (in every way).

03. The Origins Of The Horns

What is far less known is where in Satan's name it actually comes from. Because it is a gesture it is very difficult to trace the origins of it. However the very earliest depiction of the symbol that I have ever heard of is in and ancient Greek painting. From here it is thought to have passed into Roman culture and has existed in Italian culture ever since. The true name of the Horns is the "Corna". In Italian culture it has several meanings, and can be used in several ways. One of the more interesting ones used is in photos as a more insulting version of the bunny ears gesture. What it means in this context is that the person's partner has been sleeping around. Here is a pic of the Italian Head Of State demonstrating this.

However the use of the Corna that applies to rock music is as one of the ways to ward off evil spirits and "the evil eye", others are touching wood or grabbing your bollocks once again demonstrated by the Italian Head Of State (weird bloke).

Another place it is common is in Texas where it is used as a general victory or celebratory symbol. However this is not so important to the origins of the horns as Dio's grandmother was Italian not Texan.

04. How It Entered Rock

The way that this found its way into rock culture is via Ronnie James Dio and Black Sabbath. Dio's Italian grandmother being rather superstitious and having no testicles to grab used the Corna for its original purpose. Later in life when he joined Black Sabbath he felt that he needed some kind of gesture to connect with the crowd better. However he wanted to have one that was his own and not use the peace gesture that Ozzy had always used. Given the dark nature of the songs he was singing he decided to use the Corna. As he himself put it in a 2001 interview “I was in Sabbath at the time. It was a symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's not the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother.”

Unlike now it was a far more active symbol and wasn't just there to be thrust into the air, if the fingers are tilted upwards it was meant to ward off evil but if the fingers were tilted downwards towards the target then it was supposed to "curse" them.

From there it was adopted by metal fans the world over as a vague sign of the occult Satanism or just metal-ness, and has since simply become a symbol of all that rocks, and is even creeping into use in pop music.

Gene Simmons also claims to have invented the sign as a rock and roll symbol before Dio; however I think he is simply trying to jump on the band wagon. On the other hand he does claim to have evidence for this in the form of an album cover but in this enlarged version of the photo in question he is doing it wrong, by forming his hand incorrectly and also by holding it jutting out from his hip not in front of him or above him as it should be done.

05. Overuse And Misuse?

In a fairly recent interview with Kerrang, Dio commented that, "It (the Corna) was a symbol of darkness… not something to be passed on to Britney Spears!" and this is a view that I can agree with having once ended up sitting in front of Top Of The Pops nursing an horrific hangover, when I saw the presenter use it to describe McFly and just to add insult to injury she did it with her thumb out. It now appears to be something that is used by bands who wish to gain credibility with a cynical audience (Simple Plan or Avril Lavigne anyone?). While I dislike this I am of the opinion that the symbol is simply changing meaning just as language does. E.G. 'Quaint' used to be a slang word for vagina.

06. Conclusion

Whatever the future holds for the Horns or Corna as it should be called, whether or not they simply become a symbol of music in general, they will always hold a special place in every head-banger's heart. F--kin rock on \m/.

POSTED: 09/07/2005 - 11:11 am
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comments policy  151  comments posted, 1 removed | this article is 99% spam-free
     
kirkhammett150 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 11:59 am / quote |
\m/
     
Guitar_thingy wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:02 pm / quote |
hmmm.. i heard it was because the guy in sabbath only had 2 fingers ???.. :-\
     
merfsullivan wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:15 pm / quote |
What you said about Gene simmons' claim is not true. He never claimed to come up with it as a symbol of rock or anything like that. He says when he holds his pick he would hold it between his thumb, middle and ring finger, so naturally, the only two fingers that weren't holding it, and were left straight, were the pointer finger and pinky. He claims fans then adopted as general use in rock shows because they thought it was a symbol he was using. So basically he only did it to hold his pick. Whether or not he did it first, I don't know. But that's his story.
     
queen471 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:15 pm / quote |
well, you learn something new every day
     
 SilentDeftone   m   wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:21 pm / quote |
Haha, they cut out the picture of the Italian Head Of State grabbing his balls.
     
Alucard II wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:24 pm / quote |
Guitar_thingy:
hmmm.. i heard it was because the guy in sabbath only had 2 fingers ???.. :-\

lmao! man i hope thats a joke.
for one, Iommi lost only the ends of his fingers, how the *** do you thing he could play otherwise? he's not Django Reinhardt
     
Guitar_thingy wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:29 pm / quote |
^^ ooo..kk some one i know told me it was in ozzy's biography, and the band took the mick out of him by doing it, hmmm, oh well, thanks man
     
Guitar_thingy wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:30 pm / quote |
ooo btw how did he loose the end of his fingers?
     
Kadaj wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:32 pm / quote |
heh, man wheres the ball grabbing pic, that was ace.
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:33 pm / quote |
sheet metal cutter the day he was due to leave
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:34 pm / quote |
that's the bollock grabbing pic http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bd/Berlusconi_zebedei.jpg/180px-Berlusconi_zebedei.jpg
i dunno why it's missing though
     
rockinlewis wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:37 pm / quote |
interesting
     
Skadogg wrote on 09/07/2005 - 12:56 pm / quote |
I think it's actually "cornu" (or maybe that's the Sicilian pronounciation - my heritage). Yeah, it's used to either give someone the mal'occhio (evil eye) or to prevent someone from giving it to you. It's also related to the Italian horn, the red squiggly pepper looking thing - a symbol of good luck and fertility.

Devil horn baduse.gif is awesome!!!
     
Ed Vedder19 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 01:01 pm / quote |
i was watching gene simmons "rock school" on vh1 and he was like doing the horns and he goes "you see that at every rock concert, i was the inventor of that"
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/07/2005 - 01:07 pm / quote |
I think it's actually "cornu"

i got the name from Wikepedea and Dio himself if it's wrong blame them not me
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/07/2005 - 01:08 pm / quote |
Ed Vedder19:
i was watching gene simmons "rock school" on vh1 and he was like doing the horns and he goes "you see that at every rock concert, i was the inventor of that"


yes well we all know that simmons is an arrogant shit don't we?
     
cantshreddave wrote on 09/07/2005 - 02:00 pm / quote |
cool article

quite similar to radio 4, you wouldnt chase this up to read it/listen to, yet you somehow get intrested hee

also quite funny with the italian guy, he looks funny though i think its actually the prime minister Berlisconi, hes a crook if there ever was one
     
cantshreddave wrote on 09/07/2005 - 02:01 pm / quote |
Guitar_thingy:
hmmm.. i heard it was because the guy in sabbath only had 2 fingers ???.. :-\


lmao! man i hope thats a joke.
for one, Iommi lost only the ends of his fingers, how the *** do you thing he could play otherwise? he's not Django Reinhardt


i think he was talking bout the singer, though your right about iommi
     
MetalToTheEnd wrote on 09/07/2005 - 03:58 pm / quote |
Dude... Awesome. I never knew anything about that gesture. VERY nice article. 5.
     
Jerry Monkey wrote on 09/07/2005 - 04:11 pm / quote |
yea, intresting... i'll have to smart a.ss with it the next few days :P

i never knew it had that much of origin and history, but hey, i don't realy use it that much...
i mostly just do the angus young thing with the finger to the sky, putting on an ugly face and walking like a beast towards your pray !!!..
     
ffaf_kick_ass wrote on 09/07/2005 - 04:46 pm / quote |
burn mcfly. there just pop. theve got absolutly nothing to do with rock and roll
     
twistedsister wrote on 09/07/2005 - 04:49 pm / quote |
cool. great article. very well written
     
coquet wrote on 09/07/2005 - 04:52 pm / quote |
Guitar_thingy:
ooo btw how did he loose the end of his fingers?

industrial accident.
     
atc228 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 05:52 pm / quote |
i knew all of this earlier because ir esearched it after i saw the Dio interview a while back, but im glad u made an article about it. Gene Simmons saying he invented it really pissed me off, also i hate it when people i know do the thumb thing. i always tell them "put the thumb down, ur making the 'i love you' sign you dumbasses"
well great article, i love the prime minister dude pictures, priceless
     
atc228 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 05:52 pm / quote |
^head of state**** woops, how could i get the two mixed up
     
^(^.^<)(>^.^)^ wrote on 09/07/2005 - 05:59 pm / quote |
Haha, nice article. Interesting too. Nice job.
\m/(>_
     
forevergonzo wrote on 09/07/2005 - 06:21 pm / quote |
funny article but not much of a point to it, although, i never knew that "quaint" used to mean vagina
     
Tedrick wrote on 09/07/2005 - 07:50 pm / quote |
sweet article
     
TheUnforgiven1 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 08:19 pm / quote |
Hey!, Now I know some metal history, I'll put it on my resume`. \m/
     
weird hippie wrote on 09/07/2005 - 08:59 pm / quote |
YOUR'E RIGHT!
     
GnRrelease_it wrote on 09/07/2005 - 09:04 pm / quote |
\m/
i must admit...never put that much thought into it.
     
axeslinger01 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 09:12 pm / quote |
if you spit over it in italy it means rot in hell trust me
     
zakk_wylde4 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 09:27 pm / quote |
I think it's actually "cornu" (or maybe that's the Sicilian pronounciation - my heritage).

Haha dude, yea that's Sicilian pronunciation (dumb sicilians) shouldn't even be a part of Italy, it's basically the soccer ball the boot is kicking, don't try to correct the actual Italian way with a Sicilian substitute.
     
clwy87 wrote on 09/07/2005 - 09:29 pm / quote |
cool article...
\m/
     
ThisPerishedMin wrote on 09/07/2005 - 09:46 pm / quote |
love the ball grabbing pic....nice article sillybuuger

\m/
     
cointurtlemoose wrote on 09/07/2005 - 10:53 pm / quote |
!!! 5 stars
     
Diceman42 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 12:41 am / quote |
BAHAHA. brilliant.

but on the Gene Simmons dilie.. he claimed to have gotten it (the incorrect version) from the Amazing Spiderman comics. So technically he isnt doing the "corna" wrong because he is doing something entirely different.
     
IllegalPanda wrote on 09/08/2005 - 01:18 am / quote |
im glad this was written...every ***ing time i see avril lavigne throw the horns i die a little inside
     
Abe wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:27 am / quote |
It's a HAND GESTURE!! You can't tell people they have no right to do it, whether they're rock or not.

Stupid.
     
 matter   m   wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:35 am / quote |
Haha, they cut out the picture of the Italian Head Of State grabbing his balls.

actually, the link wasn't put in the article by pure accident
corrected this
     
JustinYap wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:47 am / quote |
shiiit... nice article.. n cool pics, sillybuuger12, u rock!
     
Tim_5150 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 05:05 am / quote |
lol! totally right man (your article)!!! i feel that i's being used for the wrong bands....like linkin park, simple plan, and good cherlotte, and the dike avril....they don't deserve the corna!!!!
     
jamstation wrote on 09/08/2005 - 06:56 am / quote |
Italian guy pics are great! what a quaint ol' chap ..
     
CanadianKelly wrote on 09/08/2005 - 07:07 am / quote |
very interesting article! thanks for sharing.
     
dre-0 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 07:59 am / quote |
I like it

5 stars
     
Pennyroyal Tea wrote on 09/08/2005 - 11:16 am / quote |
Great Article.... and that settles an argument i've had for a long time with my m8 :p:

p.s. Berlusconi is a pretty weird guy, i'd agree
     
joyful womble wrote on 09/08/2005 - 12:58 pm / quote |
so it's just an italian gesture? nothing satanic about it at all!
     
Cyrus-602 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Ah poor misunderstood dio, gona see him in october \m/
     
Basso_insaneo wrote on 09/08/2005 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Nice good article,i think i will use it in my english speech tommorow, save me writting it at 2am... hope you dont mind... :P
     
AtrocityWeek wrote on 09/08/2005 - 02:04 pm / quote |
great article dude, it is definately misused, I saw on tv some ass doing it at a Hillary Duff gig, i mean WTF?!!
     
Muppet wrote on 09/08/2005 - 02:22 pm / quote |
Cool article. Even though I knew most of it.

I couldn't agree more in the missuse part!
     
FakePlsticTrees wrote on 09/08/2005 - 02:40 pm / quote |
Unless any of you huge geeks licensed the damn gesture as yours, anyone can use it. There is no law saying hillary duff or the backstreet boys or whoever the hell feels like it cant use a darn gesture because a bunch of internet nerds dont think its appropiate. Talk about blowing shit out of proportion.
     
GNR4EVER wrote on 09/08/2005 - 02:57 pm / quote |
Nice Article \m/
     
misfits385 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 03:08 pm / quote |
cool article
     
Guel wrote on 09/08/2005 - 03:12 pm / quote |
l_ _l»»».. rock on.....
     
Burbinski wrote on 09/08/2005 - 03:16 pm / quote |
the really got my intrest. great job on writeing it man. \m/
     
loyd wrote on 09/08/2005 - 03:22 pm / quote |
I believe that it was Gene Simmons created that at 1979.. he was actually doing it while holding the pick with his middle,ring fingers and thumb.. and it just evolved from then on.. nice artcile tho.. \m/
     
appetite wrote on 09/08/2005 - 03:28 pm / quote |
somewhat random and interesting article lol, nevertheless it was brilliant and funny and somehow i think it was needed.....and well at least i know i was doing it right all along
     
Croat wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:08 pm / quote |
rock on
     
deapcyfer wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:09 pm / quote |
Abe and FakePlasticDick, I get the feeling that you guys are so "ohh it's just a hand gesture" because you are offended by the fact that you like the fags that misuse it, so you have to justify it by saying it's just a hand gesture. So the goose-step is just a way of walking, and I could goose-step down mainstreet in a S.S. Nazi uniform and just say "yeah, it's just the way I walk, deal with it" I don't care what you say, and the rights and shit, but there are certain people who should not be allowed to do this, but that won't change.....it's like a fan of a football team saying "we won" even though they're not on the team, they have the right to say it, even though they shouldn't be allowed to
     
deapcyfer wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:12 pm / quote |
or fairweather fans, you shouldn't be allowed to change your allegiance just because your team sucks or your band isn't putting out hits. I've been sticking with the Jets, Nebraska football/baseball/basketball, the Royals, and the Celtics for my whole life, just the same as Gn'R and C.O.C. and Dream Theater
     
lost_it_again wrote on 09/08/2005 - 04:53 pm / quote |
pretty cool article
     
TheEdge952 wrote on 09/08/2005 - 05:31 pm / quote |
so the "DEVIL horns" are actually a symbol for warding off evil? how weird is that
     
kittycatk wrote on 09/08/2005 - 05:32 pm / quote |
that was cool
     
Green_Fox wrote on 09/08/2005 - 06:46 pm / quote |
very nice.

but i already knew that
     
justinhawkins wrote on 09/08/2005 - 06:55 pm / quote |
here's the story i heard about Iommi's fingers

he used to work in a steel mill or something, and when he decided to join sabbath professionally he got drunk, and on his last night in the steel factory cut off the tips of his fingers. now he plays with rubber tips on his left hand
     
LPStudio wrote on 09/08/2005 - 07:33 pm / quote |
merfsullivan:
What you said about Gene simmons' claim is not true. He never claimed to come up with it as a symbol of rock or anything like that. He says when he holds his pick he would hold it between his thumb, middle and ring finger, so naturally, the only two fingers that weren't holding it, and were left straight, were the pointer finger and pinky. He claims fans then adopted as general use in rock shows because they thought it was a symbol he was using. So basically he only did it to hold his pick. Whether or not he did it first, I don't know. But that's his story.


Actually he did claim to have invented this move. If you have ever seen Gene Simmons "Rock School" on VH1 he says straight from his mouth while throwin up the horns:"I invented this".
     
the glue man wrote on 09/08/2005 - 08:08 pm / quote |
Awesome, I hate Gene Simmons.
     
the glue man wrote on 09/08/2005 - 08:09 pm / quote |
Gene Simmons shouldn't be playing bass with a pick anyway
     
tele budist wrote on 09/08/2005 - 08:38 pm / quote |
^ok..who cares?
     
5:15_Whofan wrote on 09/08/2005 - 08:40 pm / quote |
First off, gene simmons kicks ass. Second, he did claim to have invented the symbol on the aforementioned program on vh1, and is in fact shown making the symbol with his left hand on the "Love Gun" album cover (1977). So burn bitches. Who did it first is open to question. I like to think R.J. Dio did because at least he's humble about it, but either way it's a legendary symbol of HEAVY METAL.

You're right about people misusin' it. If I see one more pop-tart bitch doin it, i'll never leave my house again.
     
AC_friggin'_DC wrote on 09/08/2005 - 09:44 pm / quote |
um i don't think this is necessary and Gene first used the love sign but didn't know what it meant and theres nothing wrong with the love sign or hippies so shut up
     
Bong Water wrote on 09/08/2005 - 10:01 pm / quote |
haha that article was funny as dude, nicely done
     
gavencaplon wrote on 09/08/2005 - 10:38 pm / quote |
my favorite part of the devil horns is the tshirt that has two hands making the symbol
\mm/
using the pinkies and it says "too much rock for one hand!
rock on!
     
killtrix wrote on 09/09/2005 - 12:56 am / quote |
I agree good article, Your right nobody owns the right's to said gesture but when or if Little Miss Duff use's it" Damn it's total Blasphemy! "POSER'S!!

Gene Simmon's is a loud mouth egomaniacal wannabe."He also claims he invented sex....

Loved the article...more please!
     
Ankou wrote on 09/09/2005 - 04:00 am / quote |
Cool article, that'll keep my mates annoyed for days .
Rawk on.
     
Abe wrote on 09/09/2005 - 09:16 am / quote |
deapcyfer:
Abe and FakePlasticDick, I get the feeling that you guys are so "ohh it's just a hand gesture" because you are offended by the fact that you like the fags that misuse it, so you have to justify it by saying it's just a hand gesture. So the goose-step is just a way of walking, and I could goose-step down mainstreet in a S.S. Nazi uniform and just say "yeah, it's just the way I walk, deal with it" I don't care what you say, and the rights and shit, but there are certain people who should not be allowed to do this, but that won't change.....it's like a fan of a football team saying "we won" even though they're not on the team, they have the right to say it, even though they shouldn't be allowed to


You can feel that way if you like, bang wrong in my case though.

I don't happen to like any of those acts, and wouldn't feel the need to justify ANYONE use it.

I really don't give a shit who uses the hand gesture and think its damn pretentious that people should be able to stop anyone (ANYONE - not even within the music world) from using it.
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/09/2005 - 09:32 am / quote |
oo conterversy! i must stir harder next time *rubs hands together*
     
J3ZZA wrote on 09/09/2005 - 10:41 am / quote |
Nice Never knew it had so much history, well done! \m/!
     
mrbassman wrote on 09/09/2005 - 01:24 pm / quote |
Nice one mate
     
uLtim8_Sadista wrote on 09/11/2005 - 02:10 am / quote |
uhh..y was it caLLed "deviL's horn" anyway!?.. y can't it be buLL's horn..cause there's buLL's shit?.y oh y?!..hihi
     
hardcoreatheist wrote on 09/09/2005 - 06:02 pm / quote |
ive heard with the thumb underneath it symbolises 666 the way your middle fingers are curled with your other finger sticking out kinda looks like a six and theres three of them (even tho ones back to front). cool article 5 stars
     
AC/DC Dude8 wrote on 09/09/2005 - 07:32 pm / quote |
this was sweet. i never used it as devil horns (im cathlioc), i always used as a way to say rock on to the guys that are playing. very nice article tho.
     
crazynickman wrote on 09/09/2005 - 08:28 pm / quote |
some things dont need the thought some people give them...quite extensize, you know your stuff. awesome and not up for opinion so minimal flaming from the peanut gallery. 5 stars
     
kefka wrote on 09/09/2005 - 10:17 pm / quote |
why cant ppl do this right and learn what something means first but i think thats asking too much from some ppl \m/
     
hsimah-ESP wrote on 09/10/2005 - 12:08 am / quote |
Avril Lavigne is hot, she can do it if she wants. Everyone else... Meh.

Metal rocks though!
     
faile wrote on 09/10/2005 - 04:54 am / quote |
Hey, dude, that is so cool. Now I can finally tell all those freaks at school who think I'm a Satan worshiper that the horns are actually good. Rock on man, you know it.
     
*'-'* wrote on 09/10/2005 - 05:15 am / quote |
\m/ \/ \m/
..\\ ~ //
     
*'-'* wrote on 09/10/2005 - 05:15 am / quote |
dammit \m/''\m/
     
*'-'* wrote on 09/10/2005 - 05:16 am / quote |
dammit

\m/ \m/
|| ||
     
*'-'* wrote on 09/10/2005 - 05:17 am / quote |
i wonder if this'll work

\\m//
     
uLtim8_Sadista wrote on 09/10/2005 - 05:44 am / quote |
kewLness.. \\m//
     
Pumpkins4Life wrote on 09/10/2005 - 12:23 pm / quote |
in most parts texas they're known as hook'em horns, its a victory sign that the NCAA team the longhorns use.
     
metalhed55 wrote on 09/10/2005 - 01:01 pm / quote |
Great article! Loved it.
     
ThE_dEcIeVeD wrote on 09/10/2005 - 03:42 pm / quote |
Nice article.
mcfly suck male.



     
kcfshorty wrote on 09/10/2005 - 04:37 pm / quote |
i love the article its really interesting...
\m/
     
toastchad wrote on 09/10/2005 - 07:07 pm / quote |
VIVA ITALIA
     
ClashRocker66 wrote on 09/10/2005 - 08:54 pm / quote |
i think people are upset with people who are less worthy(?) of using the horns because it's a symbol. It was popularized in rock and roll music, so I can understand why they would get bent out of shape about it. How would you like it if a organization you're in has something they do different from everyone else that signifies what you're all about, was taken and used by people that proabably don't know where you came up with it and use it just to use it with no meaning of your organization. I would be pretty mad....As I am mad. lol
     
Cobain-iac_90 wrote on 09/11/2005 - 02:59 am / quote |
Great article. Loved the part on the overuse and misuse of the horns.
\m/
     
nightvanguard wrote on 09/11/2005 - 05:15 am / quote |
yeah man at least people will know bout this shit
     
jparks wrote on 09/11/2005 - 06:10 pm / quote |
haha this article was wicked. 5 Stars and many laughs.
     
nightvanguard wrote on 09/12/2005 - 07:55 am / quote |
it really depends on how you use it man,
but i ***ing agree that everyone knows this shit but doesnt know what it means, plus they overuse it and do it wrong
***ing posers
***ing shits
i hate ***ing posers
***....
     
cbobak88 wrote on 09/12/2005 - 05:04 pm / quote |
This is definately something worth talking about. PEOPLE WHO USE IT THE WRONG WAY ARE TOTAL FAGS.

By the way this is a very sarcastic post.
     
Nirvana12390 wrote on 09/12/2005 - 05:38 pm / quote |
Yeah here in texas, there is this kid in my class who does it during the texass plegde, it's like the texas longhorns sign, and he pisses me off.
     
nightvanguard wrote on 09/12/2005 - 07:06 pm / quote |
yeah and everyone here throws there hands up and does this symbol but the wrong way while saying you rock
even if you just sang something
*** them i hate those fcuking posers *** i so ***ing hate them to the bone wahahaha

metalheads dont care!
     
dude12 wrote on 09/12/2005 - 09:22 pm / quote |
um it's definetley a hand gesture! so it's not the gesture that matters it's the intent of what your gesturing. SO if you don't know how to make that sighn how is it wrong to attempt the horns? ANSWER: it's not, so quit calling the people who do it wrong fags, or show them or something.
     
SeymourButts wrote on 09/12/2005 - 09:34 pm / quote |
Any dumbass who watched a little vh1 could write this article.
     
skindred wrote on 09/13/2005 - 09:06 am / quote |
SeymourButts:
Any dumbass who watched a little vh1 could write this article.


your name is seymourbutts. say no more.
     
raise_the_dead wrote on 09/13/2005 - 10:25 am / quote |
nice article, well-written and smart. I didn't know you could do it the wrong way, but anyways, a good article. i'll give it 5 stars.
     
sabbazep wrote on 09/13/2005 - 09:24 pm / quote |
Actually it was Dio who invented it. His grandmother used to use it to ward against the "evil eye". He then started using it in his concerts and it was adopted by basically everyone.
     
Vinura wrote on 09/14/2005 - 04:06 am / quote |
yes...the article said that.....
     
nightvanguard wrote on 09/14/2005 - 07:28 am / quote |
but damn if someone doesnt know how to do it...nevermind
just try to educate anyone you see thats doing it wrong and say that its a symbol of rock
or better yet
laugh at their faces till vomit comes out of your mouth
hahaha
now thats heavy metal!
     
jmodum90 wrote on 09/14/2005 - 06:04 pm / quote |
btw, The horns are popular in texas because of the texas longHORNS. Their little gesture is exactly the same as the devil horns. I hesitate to use it because I'm an aggie and aggies and longhorns are bitter rivals so whenever I throw the horns people think I'm a longhorn and it really peeves me. Well there's a little texas history lesson for you.
     
RememberMyName wrote on 09/14/2005 - 09:49 pm / quote |
Great article, and finally a decent excuse to attend a history lesson.
I very much agree with deapcyfer. I understand that it was originally rooted in Italian history, but it is now more commonly used as a rock symbol, and those who do not practise or listen to rock music should find their own hand gesture to use.


That, and popstars need to learn how to write their own songs.
     
mypoorbrain wrote on 09/15/2005 - 06:29 am / quote |
Hahahah, quality article. It's a pity the people who SHOULD read it, won't.
     
Brendan DEwald wrote on 09/15/2005 - 06:45 am / quote |
The only reason people thought it was satanic was because the satanic culture took it on adn used it alot so it just grew from there, good article tough and how the hell does a guy play guitar with only a few fingers.
     
phyro wrote on 09/15/2005 - 02:49 pm / quote |
i agree \m/
     
The Anti Clace wrote on 09/15/2005 - 03:08 pm / quote |
Wow.....
     
The Anti Clace wrote on 09/15/2005 - 03:09 pm / quote |
[img]http://usera.imagecave.com/TheAntiClace/MisledChild-copy.jpg[/img]
     
grimreaper65 wrote on 09/15/2005 - 07:46 pm / quote |
I always used to call it the metal hand, guess i was wrong
     
kelso12345 wrote on 09/16/2005 - 08:12 pm / quote |
who gives a s**t?
     
METALHEAD8465 wrote on 09/17/2005 - 01:36 pm / quote |
i liked the funny picture
     
negrotaurist wrote on 09/17/2005 - 06:09 pm / quote |
Im sorry for being captain obvious, but im sick of seeing all the wrong iommi finger stories. He wasnt drunk on his last day. It was just a freak accident. The machine he was working on had rollers for bending and cutting steel. His fingers cot cought under under the roller and it took a little bit off. Its not like he lost his flippin knucle or anything. that is all
     
XxXgUiTaRxXx wrote on 09/17/2005 - 06:57 pm / quote |
Abe:
It's a HAND GESTURE!! You can't tell people they have no right to do it, whether they're rock or not.

Stupid.
dude your stupid, its a symbol of metal, you just have to much cock in your hear to get that in your head. dio is the man, i love his music, and gene didnt make it up. he just wants to be in the spotlight longer then he shouldve. i mean, can you believe a guy who put the name kiss on everything from gene simmons sign. drum sticks to kiss toothpaste. DIO im not advocating that dio made it up, but he definately started the craze of it
     
The Lost Within wrote on 09/18/2005 - 05:03 pm / quote |
LOL
ROCK ON NIGGA!
\M/ (>.
     
kt_guitarist wrote on 09/18/2005 - 06:15 pm / quote |
you probably hadn't some thing to do. why should i care about such a symbol. rock music doesn't need any symbol, music will speak for it self when it is good( which some music obviously is not) 3 stars becouse it is a bit different than other topics
     
rollingstones wrote on 09/18/2005 - 07:05 pm / quote |
i just wanted to say this article f***ing rules
Rock on guys \M/
     
nightwind wrote on 09/19/2005 - 06:03 am / quote |
deapcyfer:
Abe and FakePlasticDick, I get the feeling that you guys are so "ohh it's just a hand gesture" because you are offended by the fact that you like the fags that misuse it, so you have to justify it by saying it's just a hand gesture. So the goose-step is just a way of walking, and I could goose-step down mainstreet in a S.S. Nazi uniform and just say "yeah, it's just the way I walk, deal with it" I don't care what you say, and the rights and shit, but there are certain people who should not be allowed to do this, but that won't change.....it's like a fan of a football team saying "we won" even though they're not on the team, they have the right to say it, even though they shouldn't be allowed to

You are comparing the S.S. to a ***ing 'symbol'? That's disgusting.

Telling certain people they can't use it, is like saying someone can't give the middle finger because they are not mean enough. What in God's name are you going to do about it? Just get fluid and go with the flow, my friend. It's not THAT important of symbol. Would you really be that upset if it was just wiped off the face of the earth by tomorrow?

So what that you can turn up your distortion and drop to D, and play the latest ___.. riff. So what if you grew your hair out , and don't shower. So what if you do cocaine off a hooker's back. You don't deserve to use the sign anymore than anyone else.

I figured throwing up the symbol meant you were a fan of the genre. So maybe Avril should be 'allowed' to? Heh.
     
rusty1881 wrote on 09/20/2005 - 11:58 am / quote |
also quite funny with the italian guy, he looks funny though i think its actually the prime minister Berlisconi, hes a crook if there ever was one


whoa a bit political!
     
toasted_lemming wrote on 09/20/2005 - 03:47 pm / quote |
***ing hell...can noone post anything on here without a bunch of ignorent, arrogant 'I'm better than you because I listen to 'tallica' arseholes flaming everyone else out of existance and calling them fags...have you no lives? Nobody cares except you if
1) Someone listens to a genre other than metal
2) Someone criticises a metal band/icon
3) Someone holds an opinion you disagree with
4) Something someone says annoys you

This will make no difference to what anyone does on this site, but it needed to be said...*trundles back into obscurity to look at tabs and play guitar instead of arguing online all day*
     
 sillybuuger12   m   wrote on 09/22/2005 - 05:16 pm / quote |
who0ligan:
and what the FUCK does this have to do with playing guitar? this is the most USELESS MEANINGLESS ARTICLE EVER!!! its like saying who created the middle finger? WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!.. but if u do so much i wish u could see me flipping u off. faggot.


ooo somebody's cranky! lol dude just shut up i went through all the proper procedures and stuff when i wrote this it was aproved by 2 members of the UG team who's opinion i value a little more than yours ok?

when you have 6 articles and another two under construction shut up. when you do THEN come and argue with me you little shit scraping ok?
     
Stonesatreyu wrote on 09/24/2005 - 02:18 pm / quote |
on the curse side of things its a romany gypsy curse when angled down at somebody, so when ya don't by that lucky heather and the gypsy flicks the horns they aint saying that you rock
     
Stonesatreyu wrote on 09/24/2005 - 02:21 pm / quote |
Dio just became even more of a legend in my eyes after that little read
im gunno go see him play nxt month as well KICKASSSSS
     
Towlie wrote on 09/26/2005 - 02:56 pm / quote |
Nice to see some humour on here!
     
Dogwillhunt wrote on 10/03/2005 - 05:53 pm / quote |
Screw the horns... I'm gonna make up my own hand gesture. nXn WESTSIDE!
     
JohnnyV wrote on 11/24/2005 - 11:13 am / quote |
Abe:
It's a HAND GESTURE!! You can't tell people they have no right to do it, whether they're rock or not.

Stupid.


yeah, but i'd kick the shit out of someone making one of those crazy German hand gestures (those f*ed up salutes, you know) You don't do that unless you're a Nazi, so unless you're Rock, no Horns.
\m/
     
RainMustFall wrote on 01/04/2006 - 06:41 pm / quote |
In conclusion, Briney Spears is a quaint
     
rockergurl09 wrote on 01/08/2006 - 10:18 pm / quote |
well, that was interesting! Now I know that I should be careful before I do the horns in Italy. As for Britney spears, I had no idea. I thought that wasn't her "scene". Also, someday, I'd like to confound Avril with this information. I doubt she even knows what Black Sabbath is or that gesture having any italian connections.Oh, and make her an absolute fool by showing her how to do the horns right. lol
     
Dithindious wrote on 01/15/2006 - 08:13 am / quote |
Nice arcticle 5*
     
BeanieM2B wrote on 01/16/2006 - 05:42 pm / quote |
this article is rather pointless, but it was well worth reading lol
     
DRoboWHOids06 wrote on 02/11/2006 - 09:44 pm / quote |
Dude, kick ass article!!!\m/>
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 02/21/2006 - 07:39 am / quote |
*spam deleted*
     
Super Slinky PJ wrote on 04/19/2006 - 06:27 pm / quote |
Intersting, wierd and cool. Like a hotdog on a saturday morning. "ROCK THE FUCK ON!" "SQUEEZE MY LEMON! UNTIL THE JUICE RUNS DOWN MY LEG! Oh ya! "SO WHERE WERE THE SPIDERS!? WHILE THE FLY TRIED TO BREAK OUR BALLS!?" I'll tell where the spiders were! The ****ing rockin! ROCK ROCK ROCK ON!
     
Super Slinky PJ wrote on 04/19/2006 - 06:31 pm / quote |
Sorry I'm just trying to confuse people. Seriously cool article 9 outa 10. BRITNEY SPEARS ****ING ROCKS! (Just kidding) Peace Out and ROCK ON!
     
punksucks23 wrote on 05/03/2006 - 05:37 pm / quote |
im glad this was written...every ***ing time i see avril lavigne throw the horns i die a little inside


haha
     
punksucks23 wrote on 05/03/2006 - 05:47 pm / quote |
Super Slinky PJ :
Intersting, wierd and cool. Like a hotdog on a saturday morning. "ROCK THE FUCK ON!" "SQUEEZE MY LEMON! UNTIL THE JUICE RUNS DOWN MY LEG! Oh ya! "SO WHERE WERE THE SPIDERS!? WHILE THE FLY TRIED TO BREAK OUR BALLS!?" I'll tell where the spiders were! The ****ing rockin! ROCK ROCK ROCK ON!


wow.











okay.
     
NirvanaFan101 wrote on 07/17/2006 - 11:42 am / quote |
Yeah great article \m/ ! !! !!! ! ! ! ! !!
     
timo1 wrote on 03/09/2007 - 05:01 pm / quote |
\m/.
     
rossj90 wrote on 03/15/2007 - 10:25 am / quote |
justinhawkins wrote:

here's the story i heard about Iommi's fingers

he used to work in a steel mill or something, and when he decided to join sabbath professionally he got drunk, and on his last night in the steel factory cut off the tips of his fingers. now he plays with rubber tips on his left hand


he worked at a steel factory... he was already on his two week notice, last day before he was going to start recording with black sabbath, and his manager got him to work on a machine he had never used before. thats y his finger tips got cut off... i dont think he was drunk at work... and anyway you better be happy that happend metal fans because that caused him to drop his tuning (no one was doing that b4 him) and MADE Heavy metal...
     
Vendetta V wrote on 04/16/2008 - 08:29 am / quote |
mm that pic link doesn't work
     
moonribber wrote on 11/02/2009 - 09:03 am / quote |
You are all too young to know this, but believe me,
they're ALL wrong about the origin of the Sign of the Horns raised arm Satanic salute: Anton LaVey, founder and High Priest of the Church of Satan, was photographed and filmed raising the Sign of the Horns as far back as the mid 1960s and continued to use it until he died in 1997. Simmons probably now also denies what their KISS acronym stood for at its inception: "Knights In Service to Satan" Duh, so where do you think Simmons got the Horns? That's pure bull about fans copying the way his hands looked holding the guitar! Simmons and KISS simply rode on the enormous popularity of all things Satan/Satanism, using the Horns in imitation of the photos of Anton LaVey that were plastered over every newspaper and magazine in this and other countries through the 60's, 70's and 80's. Get real kiddies; read your history. Some claim Ozzy Osbourne started it, but in Wikipedia there's a photo of him in 1973 with Black Sabbath where he's raising both arms with "V" made by his index and middle fingers, a la Richard Nixon in the famous shot of him boarding Air Force One. Lastly, many claim it was launched by the Reiner parody, "This is Spinal Tap." Wrong again: that was made in 1984, 18 years after LaVey popularized it. What's the worst part, though is, almost all who exploited for their own purposes what the brilliant LaVey started, have pulled in their "horns" and become chicken crap candy pants, Gene with his stupid reality show, Ozzy sniffling over his daughter's bruised little ankle on Dancing w/ Stars: they're real renegades, real anti-establishment rockers, aren't they! C'mon, folks, wake up.
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