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Ear Playing Is Not The Easy Way Out

author: frethappy date: 04/14/2009 category: music theory
rating: 8.3 / votes: 22 
POSTED: 04/14/2009 - 06:34 am
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Equivalence :
Interesting article, enjoyed reading it
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 08:33 am / quote |
frethappy :
Thanks Dude! I submitted it and had it rejected 3 times, so they finally told me that it was too short, so then it took me a whole day to make it longer. I learned a lot more, just searching for info on ear playing.
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 08:38 am / quote |
Bamitchell :
Very good stuff here. I'm glad they finally put it on the homepage! You deserve it, and this is really informative (I thought at least)
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 10:25 am / quote |
NemX162 :
Good information in a short easily read article.
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 12:27 pm / quote |
pwrmax :
Isn't perfect pitch something you have to be born with?
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 12:37 pm / quote |
Smalas :
"Perfect pitch" is just a good memory, you can train to get it..
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 12:45 pm / quote |
turtlewax :
Hmmm, think you could do a series of articles further explaining how to develop our ear? It could have exercises to work on and everything
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 01:39 pm / quote |
SmashandBurn :
great
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 02:06 pm / quote |
beatreebor :
who plays iron man like that?
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 02:28 pm / quote |
beatreebor :
but i really like this lesson, nice one.
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 02:34 pm / quote |
XjWoRk17 :
this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 03:08 pm / quote |
Incuboy49 :
The only thing I disagree with is the Blues I IV V thing. I think having a good base in blues knowledge can help you immediately recognize and fourth or fifth step.
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 03:56 pm / quote |
Lrn2play :
dont see why knowing iron man is a necessity
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 05:12 pm / quote |
Diablo1986 :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.

What kinda theory have you been studying?? 4ths and 5ths are the intervals with the 'perfect' labels (of course the unison and octave notes are considered that but not called 'perfect' usually...) All the other intervals have minor and major classifications.

POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 06:38 pm / quote |
Echoplex :
Diablo1986 wrote:

XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.

What kinda theory have you been studying?? 4ths and 5ths are the intervals with the 'perfect' labels (of course the unison and octave notes are considered that but not called 'perfect' usually...) All the other intervals have minor and major classifications.
Yeah...

POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 10:19 pm / quote |
Karmekarten :
nice. i need to get my friends to read this
POSTED: 04/17/2009 - 10:59 pm / quote |
el toro DKiAB :
Great read, learned some, which is always good. Thanks man ! Keep up the good work !
POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 12:14 am / quote |
RPExecutor :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


your theory's wack. only perfect intervals are 4rth, 5ths and octaves/unisons. all others can be major/minor.

POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 12:55 am / quote |
sds5000 :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


seriously dude, where did you learn that? Every theory book ive ever looked at name the intervals from the root with major minor names. Perfects are 4th and 5th, and those can be augmented or dimished. The chord names come from the interval names

POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 12:58 am / quote |
sammo_boi :
not cool XjWoRk17.
helpful article for everyone

POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 02:04 am / quote |
izzizz :
hmm. .good tips.
POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 02:36 am / quote |
eds1275 :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


It's typically a good idea to think before you speak, and an even better idea to check and make sure you know what you're talking about before you attempt to correct someone else...

POSTED: 04/18/2009 - 02:24 pm / quote |
antisaint182 :
WOW, XjWoRk17 is getting slated!
oh well, good article!

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 12:12 pm / quote |
luyano :
interesting
POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 04:27 pm / quote |
XjWoRk18 :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


wow XjWoRk17, you would have the exact same freaking name as me except for one freaking number AND be retarded and make me look stupid haha

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 05:26 pm / quote |
XjWoRk18 :
XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


wow dude, you would have the exact damn name as me except for one freaking number, AND u would be retarded haha

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 05:28 pm / quote |
XjWoRk18 :
ah this is so gay, not the article, but i cant believe this guy makes me look so dumb noone is going to notice the one number difference
POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 05:29 pm / quote |
itchyblackmore :
Useful information presented clearly and simply. Just the ticket! I will be on the lookout for FretHappy's next article.
I'm an old bloke trying to learn to play and it's great (vital actually) to find these little gems in amongst the dross.

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 08:41 pm / quote |
brett dixon :
Karmekarten wrote:

nice. i need to get my friends to read this


Same here.

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 08:51 pm / quote |
IamGod 666 :
um perfect pitch is genetic
POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 09:19 pm / quote |
LaGrange :
XjWoRk18 wrote:

ah this is so gay, not the article, but i cant believe this guy makes me look so dumb noone is going to notice the one number difference

I think by tomorrow noone will remember either of your posts.(if there are 2 of you) Dont trouble yourself too much in thinking someones cares.
Good Article.

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 10:38 pm / quote |
LaGrange :
IamGod 666 wrote:

um perfect pitch is genetic

Incorrect, it can be learned.
If you know what the note e is long enough and listen to it while you think to yourself "e" whenever you hear that sound youll remember it.
Same thing with hearing the word duck and going "oh thats that flufy flying animal with a beak"

POSTED: 04/19/2009 - 10:40 pm / quote |
Invokke_Havokk :
IamGod 666 wrote:

um perfect pitch is genetic


Err... where did you hear that?

I learned what an E note sounded like, just from playing it a lot.

I know standard tuning using the CMaj7 chord - and can pick out each string that's out of tune.

None of my family can do that except for my cousin, who also learned how to do it by playing an instrument.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 12:53 am / quote |
frethappy :
pwrmax wrote:
Isn't perfect pitch something you have to be born with?


We are not born with the ability to recognize frequencies. You can develop it faster at a younger age. Either way, it takes a ton of practice.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:01 am / quote |
frethappy :
turtlewax wrote:
Hmmm, think you could do a series of articles further explaining how to develop our ear? It could have exercises to work on and everything


That's a great idea. Maybe I should do ear training lesson videos?

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:02 am / quote |
frethappy :
beatreebor wrote:
who plays iron man like that?


See a real Hal Leonard/Cherry Lane transcription. Those guys are highly qualified transcribers that make over 100,000 per year to do that stuff.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:03 am / quote |
frethappy :
XjWoRk17 wrote: this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.


The name of the interval is the reason that a chord is classified as Major/Minor.

A Major Chord contains Root, Major 3rd, Perfect Fifth.
A minor chord contains Root, minor 3rd, Perfect Fifth.

I am not sure what book you learned the term "Perfect Third", but I would still know what you are talking about.

The terms Perfect Fifth / Perfect Fourth are the standard terms learned in college theory.

I did not learn this stuff from a "self-taught" music store teacher.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:08 am / quote |
frethappy :
Incuboy49 wrote: The only thing I disagree with is the Blues I IV V thing. I think having a good base in blues knowledge can help you immediately recognize and fourth or fifth step.


You are right. A guitarist is cutting themself short, by not being fluent in a I IV V setting, but that is relatively easy to master and when you do it is time to move on, unless that is all you want to do. Either way, it is music, and it's all you man.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:10 am / quote |
frethappy :
Lrn2play wrote: dont see why knowing iron man is a necessity

In college theory classes, we learned to relate intervals to songs that we had already established ear recognition of. The first interval of Twinkle Little Star is a Perfect 4th (E E B B C# C# B)
Happy Birthday begins with a Major 2nd (E E F# E)
Somewhere Over the Rainbow is begins with an Octave
(Open E=some, 12fret E=where)
I used Iron Man, because more people on UG would recognize... It makes the procimity of my article more news worthy.

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:15 am / quote |
frethappy :
IamGod 666 wrote: um perfect pitch is genetic

I really should not argue with the god of triple sixes, but you need to introduce me to some infants with perfect pitch and I will introduce you to the real GOD!

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 11:20 am / quote |
IamGod 666 :
LaGrange wrote:

IamGod 666 wrote:

um perfect pitch is genetic

Incorrect, it can be learned.
If you know what the note e is long enough and listen to it while you think to yourself "e" whenever you hear that sound youll remember it.
Same thing with hearing the word duck and going "oh thats that flufy flying animal with a beak"


I agree but that is still technically relative pitch

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 05:56 pm / quote |
jamesworkman123 :
IamGod 666 wrote:

LaGrange wrote:

IamGod 666 wrote:

um perfect pitch is genetic

Incorrect, it can be learned.
If you know what the note e is long enough and listen to it while you think to yourself "e" whenever you hear that sound youll remember it.
Same thing with hearing the word duck and going "oh thats that flufy flying animal with a beak"

I agree but that is still technically relative pitch


if that is relative pitch, then what is your definition of perfect pitch? cause hearing a note and knowing it is E or being able to sing an E without anything else being played is definatly perfect pitch

POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 07:15 pm / quote |
t.ev :
frethappy ruleeeeesss
POSTED: 04/20/2009 - 08:35 pm / quote |
shreddymurphy :
frethappy wrote:

IamGod 666 wrote: um perfect pitch is genetic

I really should not argue with the god of triple sixes, but you need to introduce me to some infants with perfect pitch and I will introduce you to the real GOD!


Wow Frethappy, I thought this was a guitar website, not a website for shoving religion down peoples throats. And please, introduce me to 'god'. I would love to have a few words with him.

POSTED: 04/21/2009 - 06:39 am / quote |
frethappy :
shreddymurphy wrote:

frethappy wrote:

IamGod 666 wrote: um perfect pitch is genetic

I really should not argue with the god of triple sixes, but you need to introduce me to some infants with perfect pitch and I will introduce you to the real GOD!

Wow Frethappy, I thought this was a guitar website, not a website for shoving religion down peoples throats. And please, introduce me to 'god'. I would love to have a few words with him.


I am infamous for shoving religion down people's throats. It's the way I prefer to offend people.

It's all in good fun Shreddy... We still cool?

POSTED: 04/21/2009 - 10:35 am / quote |
frethappy :
t.ev wrote: frethappy ruleeeeesss


Thanks DUDE!

POSTED: 04/21/2009 - 10:35 am / quote |
danohrly :
Nice column, very helpful.

Alright, so I'm atm trying to transcribe jazz guitar pieces, Ted Greene/Barney Kessel - style(chord melodies and such). I can easily get the melody and bass movement out, but I have a problem when 5 or 6 notes are sounded simultaneously and can only pick out around 3-4 of those notes. Extended and altered voicings are usually the ones I have most trouble with. Now, I could use my theory, but it'd take waay too long to get the notes out.
So, do you have any advice for my problem, other than 'keep practising, damnit!' ?

POSTED: 04/21/2009 - 01:08 pm / quote |
frethappy :
danohrly wrote:
Nice column, very helpful.

Alright, so I'm atm trying to transcribe jazz guitar pieces, Ted Greene/Barney Kessel - style(chord melodies and such). I can easily get the melody and bass movement out, but I have a problem when 5 or 6 notes are sounded simultaneously and can only pick out around 3-4 of those notes. Extended and altered voicings are usually the ones I have most trouble with. Now, I could use my theory, but it'd take waay too long to get the notes out.
So, do you have any advice for my problem, other than 'keep practising, damnit!' ?


ear training is easier for me to give a written report about than to actually function in the 'real world'.

If you can get 3 or 4 notes from these pros, knowing that jazz guys eat, sleep and breathe ways to modify triads, then you are cookin' and smokin'.

When I have the most trouble transcribing guitar parts, I go to my electronic keyboard...even to get the guitar part. If one of these guys already had a string a bit out of tune, not to mention playing dissonant, you may be lost.

Don't forget to be creative and have fun.

If someone is paying you to do this exactly, then go to a good music professor and ask them, they often hear everything the first time with no effort.

If you are doing this for performance purposes, then get what you can add a little of your own style and have fun with it.

POSTED: 04/22/2009 - 08:05 am / quote |
Let It Be0o0 :
Great article, got me started on ear playing
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 07:26 pm / quote |
ItsOnlyGNR :
RPExecutor wrote:

XjWoRk17 wrote:

this article is decent for a begineer. you have all the definitions of perfect pitch and relative pitch correct, but there are many other things wrong. for instance the names of the intervals are not classified by major and minor.chords are classified by major and minor. by major using the true perfect third, and minor using the 1 and 5 and then a halfstep down from the third.

your theory's wack. only perfect intervals are 4rth, 5ths and octaves/unisons. all others can be major/minor.


There's no such thing as a minor 2nd is there? when you play a sclae major or minor, the second note is always the same unless you change the mode.

POSTED: 06/21/2009 - 09:36 am / quote |
67SG :
frethappy wrote:
See a real Hal Leonard/Cherry Lane transcription. Those guys are highly qualified transcribers that make over 100,000 per year to do that stuff.

No, they don't. I've worked as an intern at Hal Leonard... they get a good paycheck for a job that doesn't require a college degree, but it's the guys up top that, say graduate top of the class from Berkeley - they make the 100,000s. Also, everyone at Hal Leonard hates Pat Metheny - he's a nice guy but can be a total prick.

POSTED: 06/21/2009 - 11:12 pm / quote |
Rokeman :
frethappy wrote:

Lrn2play wrote: dont see why knowing iron man is a necessity
In college theory classes, we learned to relate intervals to songs that we had already established ear recognition of. The first interval of Twinkle Little Star is a Perfect 4th (E E B B C# C# B)
Happy Birthday begins with a Major 2nd (E E F# E)
Somewhere Over the Rainbow is begins with an Octave
(Open E=some, 12fret E=where)
I used Iron Man, because more people on UG would recognize... It makes the procimity of my article more news worthy.


Sorry, I don't want to sound picky, but isn't the first interval in Twinkle Twinkle Little Star a 5th? I figured it was just a typo, but thought some people may get confused.

And really good article, it taught me some new things

POSTED: 06/24/2009 - 03:32 am / quote |
manderson89 :
Your definitions for Perfect and Relative pitch are both incorrect. Perfect pitch is the ability to recognize a single pitch without any other reference. Little is known about perfect pitch, though it may possibly be genetic as earlier said. However if perfect pitch is not developed at a very young age it will never be learned. Studies have shown that in children younger than five with musical training, those that speak a tonal language had perfect pitch almost seventy five percent of the time, as opposed to those who spoke a non tonal language showing it about twenty five percent of the time, so it is likely not genetic. Relative pitch is the ability to distinguish the different notes when a reference is present, and this ability unlike perfect pitch can be learned at any time in life.
POSTED: 06/25/2009 - 12:19 am / quote |
Paul Tauterouff :
ItsOnlyGNR wrote:
There's no such thing as a minor 2nd is there? when you play a sclae major or minor, the second note is always the same unless you change the mode.


"Minor Second" is another name for flatted second or half step interval.

POSTED: 07/21/2009 - 12:43 pm / quote |
JAZZON1 :
I agree with itsonlyGNR. The major scale is the hard and fast rule,for example the minor third as its refered to in this lesson is typically refered to as the flat third from the major scale to be sure the only notes distinguishing the minor scale from the major scale are flatted 3rd and 6th and 7th scale degrees respectively. The tonic 2nd 4th and 5th degrees are identical between these two particular scales. There are also errors in the tabbed degrees at the begining of the lesson. In the natural minor the 2nd is a whole step interval just like the major. I'm assuming he wasn't intentionally referencing some other mode. I doubt that he was as he would have wanted to keep the basics of his line of reasoning as simple as possible in order to convey the real lesson of the posting which was ear training. In regards to his thoughts on ear training if it was informative to even one person it was worth every bit of time he spent, but the information exists in a much more comprehensive format on other media sources.By the way proximity does not have a "c" in it. Overall it was decent enough.
POSTED: 08/09/2009 - 02:25 am / quote |
Eebs :
Good article. Nice job.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 02:24 am / quote |
madguitrist :
a minor third would be two *notes* higher then the root note, no two *frets* higher since things like a harp dont have frets but still use theory, but otherwise it was a good lesson.
POSTED: 08/23/2009 - 02:37 pm / quote |
madguitrist :
oops, i meatn three notes, my bad
POSTED: 08/23/2009 - 02:38 pm / quote |
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