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How About Cadences?

author: SethMegadefan date: 12/11/2006 category: music theory
rating: 8.8 / votes: 34 
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 11:47 am
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Millenium :
Thanks a bunch for putting this together, i love your columns.
Keep up the f*cking great work!

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 12:06 pm / quote |
bigmanwithanaxe :
very good
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 12:39 pm / quote |
delizio37 :
good job...to bad you couldnt post this about 3 weeks ago when i needed it for class lol..great work
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 12:47 pm / quote |
Eirien :
good lesson, but i'm not sure how much of it is correct. an F7 doesn't have an E in it, nor does the chord diagram you showed. it has an Eb, which does not feature in a C major key, so that is not a true deceptive cadence in the way you described it. A better chord to resolve to would be F major 7, which does feature an E. i just though i'd point this out to you so you can correct the mistake.
and another thing, i don't think you explained the phrygian half cadence thoroughly enough. you've either made a mistake in this aswell or you've explained it in an extremely confusing way.

but on the whole good lesson! it refreshed a lot of my knowledge of cadences that i learned in high school and built upon it. also you gave me some ideas of how to use them practically in my music.

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 12:59 pm / quote |
frankv :
what does the 6/4 thing above the imperfect authentic cadence mean?
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 01:55 pm / quote |
ns9977a :
Very good work. Just a couple of little thing to add some extra options.

A dim vii triad in first inversion can be used as a substitute for the V chord (both contain scale degrees vii and ii) for a slightly more dissonant version imperfect authentic cadence.

Also, a I chord in second inversion can be used to elongate the V in a cadence (hence its common nomenclature as a cadencial 6/4). So an authentic cadence can be extended from this:
V-I
to this:
V6-I6/4-V-I

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 03:11 pm / quote |
Pellit :
thats just what i need!
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 03:12 pm / quote |
powerpiker :
cool i guess

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 03:34 pm / quote |
metal4all :
This is a very easy to understand column to something not many people know. But like Eirien said, dominant 7ths (like F7) have the intervals:1,3,5,b7 unlike major 7th: 1,3,5,7. Easy mistake though.
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 04:12 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
Eirien wrote:

good lesson, but i'm not sure how much of it is correct. an F7 doesn't have an E in it, nor does the chord diagram you showed. it has an Eb, which does not feature in a C major key, so that is not a true deceptive cadence in the way you described it. A better chord to resolve to would be F major 7, which does feature an E. i just though i'd point this out to you so you can correct the mistake.
and another thing, i don't think you explained the phrygian half cadence thoroughly enough. you've either made a mistake in this aswell or you've explained it in an extremely confusing way.

An F major 7 is what I meant; I'm one of those lazy theorists who substitute 7 for maj7. I apologize for that. I knew what I was talking about, only the lazy way I learnt it prevented me from writing it clearly. I meant Fmaj7, and thanks for pointing it out.
But what's confusing about my Phrygian Half Cadence explaination? An E and an F outline the Phrygian mode in C major... A minor is its relative minor, which is what the key the diagram I posted was in. The only way I guess it could be confusing would be if someone didn't understand the Phrygian mode itself. And that's a different article for a different time. Unless that's not what you thought was confusing...?
Nonetheless, thanks for the feedback and critique, everyone! Keep it comin'!

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 04:30 pm / quote |
RoughDraft :
Very interesting article!
Thanks!

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 04:34 pm / quote |
HellBent1337 :
yea man, another great article!
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 05:58 pm / quote |
Eirien :
SethMegadefan wrote:
But what's confusing about my Phrygian Half Cadence explaination? An E and an F outline the Phrygian mode in C major... A minor is its relative minor, which is what the key the diagram I posted was in. The only way I guess it could be confusing would be if someone didn't understand the Phrygian mode itself. And that's a different article for a different time. Unless that's not what you thought was confusing...?


ok, i see what you mean. so in c major the phrygian mode would be in E, but what I was confused by was the G# in the E major. that's not in the E phrygian mode. wouldn't it make more sense to go from the D minor to an E minor?

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 06:51 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
^Huh? My example wasn't in E major, though, that's the point. It was in A minor.
Are we talking about the same thing anymore?

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 07:02 pm / quote |
Eirien :
yes. maybe i just can't explain it properly though. if the f in the d minor and the e in the e major serve to outline the phrygian mode, wouldn't it further this idea to play an e minor (containing a g, which is in the e phrygian mode) rather than an e major (containing a g#, which isn't in the phrygian mode)?
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 07:09 pm / quote |
powerage225 :
the tab in the last part about rhythmic cadence needs to be marked clearly, dont know what one dash equals
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 07:49 pm / quote |
Johnljones7443 :
The phrygian half cadence is incorrect.

The iv chord must be in first inversion, ergo iv⁶ - when you do this you have the 6th degree of the root at the bottom of the chord - thus the motion of the bass from iv⁶ - V is a half step, which is what aurally identifies the phrygian mode (bII - i).

Apart from that, great article Seth.

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 08:29 pm / quote |
Johnljones7443 :
^Ugh.. those ⁶ were supposed to be '6' - notating the chord in first inversion as iv6, lol.
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 08:30 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
^Ahh, okay. I guess I wasn't fully aware of how the Phrygian Half Cadence worked, then. Thanks a bunch for clearing it up.
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 09:16 pm / quote |
K!!LsWiTcH :
good article pretty easy to undertand and practical too.
POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 11:31 pm / quote |
brokenanthem :
good article. but a p.a.c. doesn't have to have the root as the highest souning note; the chords just have to be in root position. eg- C E G instead of E G C (first inversion) or G C E (second inversion). and an easy way to remember plagal cadences is that it's an "amen" cadence. play a IV-I progression on a guitar )or better yet, a keyboard) and you'll notice that is sounds like an amen being sung.
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 01:21 am / quote |
gyzer_8970 :
Didn't understand, but I bet it's really good...
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 03:46 am / quote |
Night_Lights :
nice lesson... shouldnt this be a lesson, not a column? dosent really matter unless you're looking for something but w/e.... G7 to a C. sounds niiiice
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 04:33 am / quote |
Synectics :
gg m8. It's nice to see some deeper music theory I could actually use in my grunge-style rock.
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 08:27 am / quote |
Johnljones7443 :
brokenanthem wrote:

good article. but a p.a.c. doesn't have to have the root as the highest souning note; the chords just have to be in root position. eg- C E G instead of E G C (first inversion) or G C E (second inversion). and an easy way to remember plagal cadences is that it's an "amen" cadence. play a IV-I progression on a guitar )or better yet, a keyboard) and you'll notice that is sounds like an amen being sung.


In a perfect authentic cadence, both chords should be in root position & the root of the final chord must be the uppermost voice in the chord - without the soprano ending on the tonic, it becomes an imperfect authentic cadence.

POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 10:35 am / quote |
La Qotsa :
I beg to differ, as soon as you write a song and end it, it's BOUND to have a cadence in it.
:p:

POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 10:41 am / quote |
sTx :
Awesome lesson.
Keep up the good work.

POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 01:14 pm / quote |
Metalology :
You rock!
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 04:10 pm / quote |
HelpMeImHungry :
this is like todays lesson in my AP music theory class
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 06:25 pm / quote |
 
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chcked
POSTED: 12/12/2006 - 11:38 pm / quote |
Invader Jim :
Oh God... not these again!

Seriously, this is gonna help me in my music theory class a lot.

POSTED: 12/13/2006 - 06:41 pm / quote |
urrynater :
Great job. My AP music theory also said that you can go from a dim vii chord to the I chord in root position
to make a Perfect Authentic Cadence. That being said, you nailed this one, keep up the good work

POSTED: 12/13/2006 - 08:41 pm / quote |
Kole* :
Great article, you explained everything very well and made it easy for people to understand. This will be very useful for beginning theorists.
POSTED: 12/14/2006 - 04:25 pm / quote |
strong_wizard :
Fade out with lead continuing > All
Hendrix ftw

POSTED: 12/14/2006 - 05:16 pm / quote |
Dan Steinman :
Key of C: G7 to Am is also a good deceptive cadence. For what it's worth. You know, hit the relative minor to mix things up.
POSTED: 12/14/2006 - 08:02 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
Donarskjold wrote:

Who give s ashit about music theory? If you've got music in your soul, none of this scholarly bullshit matters. Thanks for nothing, Nerdlinger.

???
Nerlinger?
Music in my soul?
I'd be offended, but I really don't see where you're coming from here.
I mean honestly, man, who has music in their soul?

POSTED: 12/15/2006 - 04:29 pm / quote |
Demon_acecat :
That's a pretty subjective analysis of music (in you soul), but I think I know what you mean. You're wrong though. Anyone who can't see the value of music theory is probably too stupid to explain it to anyways.
POSTED: 12/15/2006 - 04:54 pm / quote |
Demon_acecat :
Sweet article by the way, Nerdlinger
POSTED: 12/15/2006 - 04:55 pm / quote |
irishRW :
Cheers again, some useful info there!

lmao @ nerdlinger

POSTED: 12/16/2006 - 10:53 am / quote |
callum2903 :
hey, i just wana say that just to clear up, a cadence isnt for an ending to a phrase all the time, it can also be used within a phrase to add enphisis on a disired point, or so my higher music teacher has told me constantly for the last 3 yeasr!, lol but good article, u didnt need sooo much detail, just saying that 1-4 is imperfect 5-1 is perfect, 4-5 is plagal ect would of probs surficed, cause lets face it, anyone who knows anyting about writing a " solid chord progression" as you so put it, would no about cadences, or should do unless the chords are by chance!, but yeh, i see ur points, thanks
POSTED: 04/10/2007 - 02:02 pm / quote |
demonofthenight :
SethMegadefan wrote:

Donarskjold wrote:

Who give s ashit about music theory? If you've got music in your soul, none of this scholarly bullshit matters. Thanks for nothing, Nerdlinger.

???
Nerlinger?
Music in my soul?
I'd be offended, but I really don't see where you're coming from here.
I mean honestly, man, who has music in their soul?

is that like music in your head, because arent there insane people like that?

POSTED: 04/12/2007 - 12:17 am / quote |
HopePoisoned :
there were a couple oopsies but this is one of the better articles good job
POSTED: 07/04/2007 - 05:32 pm / quote |
Prostakma :
Excelent article, man, helped a lot
POSTED: 08/13/2007 - 12:57 am / quote |
DroptheBomb :
amazing amazing article keep up the amazing articles.
really informative and has helped my playins tons.


POSTED: 01/28/2008 - 04:58 pm / quote |
actaderock :
Ive been using a lot of cadences in my latest songs, varying them off course (in the same song) and playing with neopolitan chords is cool
POSTED: 07/03/2009 - 10:20 pm / quote |
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