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Meet My Friend Mr. Tritone

author: SethMegadefan date: 08/26/2006 category: music theory
rating: 9 / votes: 62 
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 07:27 am
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~TheLastWarrior :
Cool lesson. Clearedup my knowledge of the dominant seventh.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 08:19 am / quote |
RockFreak000 :
I dont get it, wich means its really good.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 08:32 am / quote |
Maj_Tom :
Good stuff.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 08:44 am / quote |
thenephilim :
very useful article, very much appreciated
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 08:51 am / quote |
Atreideslegend :
good topic and well explained, 5 stars
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 09:06 am / quote |
Cheesepuff :
Sounds Evil eh? *Evil laugh*

Nice explanation.

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 09:47 am / quote |
rockgodman :
great article, learned alot
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 10:45 am / quote |
1,57$ :
Another good example is Heart Shaped Box by Nirvana..
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 11:02 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Sweet deal.

Two guitarists brilliant with tritons and strange intervals:

Omar Rodriguez-Lopez of The Mars Volta
Rupert from Fear Before The March Of Flames

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 11:53 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
and by "tritons" i mean Tritones
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 11:54 am / quote |
bobthemonkey14 :
I was thinking of Omar when I read this...good call.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 12:03 pm / quote |
pe_666 :
Im looking for a kind of dark, evil like melody for a part of a song where the singer whispers a poem, so would a melody with tritone's be the way to go?
Nice aritcle! 10

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 12:18 pm / quote |
Godderz_24 :
a dominant 7 chord on the 5th degree isnt the only dominant 7 chord you can use however...
if you use a dominant 7 on the third degree you go into harmonic minor territory, because the major 3rd of that third degree is the major 7th of the harmonic minor, which also has that sort of dark tone to it if used properly, phyrgian dominant also works well.
and of course in blues, standard 12 bar blues played with all dominant 7s sounds pretty decent.
nice article useful information

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 12:45 pm / quote |
Tombi :
RockFreak000 wrote:

I dont get it, wich means its really good.


you said it

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 01:31 pm / quote |
Leonheart :
This article seems really good. But one crucial thing I've never understood is how do you figure out what a third of a root note is? Or the fourth, or fifth? I know the fifth is a power chord, but what makes it the fifth?
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 02:33 pm / quote |
Johnljones7443 :
Sweet stuff Seth.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 02:43 pm / quote |
nunu :
Leonheart wrote:

This article seems really good. But one crucial thing I've never understood is how do you figure out what a third of a root note is? Or the fourth, or fifth? I know the fifth is a power chord, but what makes it the fifth?


You take the root note, for instance E. The fifth means, the 5th note from E. So E, F, G, A, B. B is thew 5th and hence a power chord EBE. So the 4th would be an A, the 3rd a G ect.

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 03:10 pm / quote |
smb :
I love playing these, but I guess that comes from my love of Sabbath and Sabbath clones
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 03:53 pm / quote |
smb :
Check out the Karma to Burn song Thirty-Eight. It's got a pretty evil riff based on this that's great to play.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 03:56 pm / quote |
GuitarGod610 :
I find it suprising that not alot of people know about or use tritones. If you learned about intervals, you would already know about tritones and how they are used. It's just a branch of a very basic music theory tree.
POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 04:45 pm / quote |
Sleepn_Giant :
You take the root note, for instance E. The fifth means, the 5th note from E. So E, F, G, A, B. B is thew 5th and hence a power chord EBE. So the 4th would be an A, the 3rd a G ect.


That may work for 5ths, but that is completely wrong for anything else.

What you want to learn in the Major Scale, which from the root is Whole step(2Frets),whole step, half step(1Fret),whole, whole, whole, half(which brings you back to root). Now to figure out the 3rds, 4ths, 5ths and so on. You just count the notes down the major scale starting from the root(Which is the number 1), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then back to ?1? and you're back to root. And you use those numbers to figure out the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on. So the 3rd of E is actually G# and the 4th is A.

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Gimme_GilMORE :
Sleepn_Giant wrote:

You take the root note, for instance E. The fifth means, the 5th note from E. So E, F, G, A, B. B is thew 5th and hence a power chord EBE. So the 4th would be an A, the 3rd a G ect.


That may work for 5ths, but that is completely wrong for anything else.

What you want to learn in the Major Scale, which from the root is Whole step(2Frets),whole step, half step(1Fret),whole, whole, whole, half(which brings you back to root). Now to figure out the 3rds, 4ths, 5ths and so on. You just count the notes down the major scale starting from the root(Which is the number 1), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then back to ?1? and you're back to root. And you use those numbers to figure out the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on. So the 3rd of E is actually G# and the 4th is A.


Yep Sleepn_Giant is right u gotta stick to the right major or minor scale, u just cant count the notes up the alphabet from E upwards otherwise u'll get the wrong notes.

POSTED: 08/26/2006 - 10:38 pm / quote |
n0selfesteem :
People here who love Primus, Mr. Bungle, and the like should get a kick out of this. Great job! I love using the diminished 5th, it just sounds so crazy awesome.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 01:34 am / quote |
RJMan :
Great lesson.
Other songs: enter sandman- bat country-A7X and call of klutu by mettalica

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 02:12 am / quote |
wasp2020 :
I really don't like metal or THAT kind of dissonance - but the tritone (or rather #4) rocks so hard in Lydian. It's extremely effective in it. What i do is just use the Bass E as a pedal and play a little scaling in E Lydian, passing over that #4...mmm, no other sound like it. Like you're Flying in a Blue Dream

But what am I going on about? Great article! I actually expected some newbie posting random metal rhythm riffs. (b)b

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 03:43 am / quote |
buckethead101 :
refuse resist
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 07:01 am / quote |
Obelisk :
Excellent article. More guitarists should be able to utilize dissonance in their playing. This helps me a hell of a lot.

Until now if I wanted that sort of sound, I'd just screw around with a twelve-tone thing but this is legit.

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 09:31 am / quote |
METSOAD :
brilliant, i have tried to use it in a blues way so it has helped the tone of my solos
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 10:36 am / quote |
cds+stereo=life :
Great article, seemed more beginner oriented, but nonetheless extremely informative. Some good Slayer songs using the tritone are Mandatory Suicide (part of the little run in the beginning), Raining Blood (you'll hear it), and South of Heaven (used in the slower, dissonant chord part). Those are ways to make it sound evil as opposed to blue or dissonant. If you just want it to sound dissonant and noisy, but still musical, check out grindcore. The whole freaking genre.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 01:11 pm / quote |
shoebox_of_lies :
Good article. Another famous example is the intro to purple haze, the guitar plays the E while the bass plays the tritone (A#).
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 01:27 pm / quote |
Children Of War :
Im a theory noob,cuz I dont take any theory,I just go around getting tabs and play,But I got the "How to make evillish tones" Thing without the notes

Great Explanation! Though I had no idea what is it anyway...

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 02:30 pm / quote |
a7xfretshredder :
That`s a sweet little lesson. My band meses around with tritonesa every now and then but we didnt really know how to use them. This really helped.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 02:33 pm / quote |
a7xfretshredder :
That`s a sweet little lesson. My band messes around with tritones every now and then, but we didnt really know how to use them. This really helped.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 02:33 pm / quote |
UGROQFAN :
i DON'T REALLY GET THIS WHOLE THINGdamn it it sounds cool
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 03:49 pm / quote |
43percentBurnt :
Nice lesson. I wouldn't say the tritone is not well known, misunderstood, or misused (except of course in the 16/17 centuries). In fact many groups these days use them. Sometimes it is hard to identify it unless your hip to the sound of it, especially with loads of distortion tacked on-you just gotta get used to it. -Not to mention that tritones are also extremely popular in jazz.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 04:28 pm / quote |
jakebury :
its sweet tri tones are the best things to use to get that wicked edge to a song thier the best

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 04:39 pm / quote |
VaiSatchLaiho :
You explained that extremely well. I like how you included the history that the church wouldn't allow it in its music.
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 07:15 pm / quote |
Guitar_Dude777 :
Good job...this was very imformative!
POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 10:52 pm / quote |
bluesblaster :
good job [tritones are good for tapping arpeggios]

Cheers!

POSTED: 08/27/2006 - 11:39 pm / quote |
_RockOnForever_ :
great stuff. i wish i could download all your musical genius into my mind like in the matrix. then i could be the Neo of guitarists everywhere.
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 02:24 am / quote |
sublimerules :
Thanks for the great lesson!
This is really helpful for writing, im going to see how I can fit in some tritones in some originals.

POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 05:01 am / quote |
G0ply :
It just has alittle more ring to it, how is that "EVIL"?... Rofl... Those church folks are so goofy...
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 12:25 pm / quote |
G0ply :
as if there organ-piano thing doesn't sound evil...
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 12:27 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
^Yeah, you'd figure Bach's "Toccata & Fugue in D Minor" pretty much broke every evil barrier the church had ever put up. That piece experiments so much with dissonance and diminished scales... just an awesome piece of music.
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 01:04 pm / quote |
metal_matt :
SethMegadefan wrote:

^Yeah, you'd figure Bach's "Toccata & Fugue in D Minor" pretty much broke every evil barrier the church had ever put up. That piece experiments so much with dissonance and diminished scales... just an awesome piece of music.


Hell yeah man it is a beast of a piece!!! THat i have covered and use lot should all check out

POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 06:03 pm / quote |
Bones420 :
That was a fun read Seth, and really well written, you explained things well.. Nice job!
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 07:22 pm / quote |
guitarshark2099 :
greatly written man!

im gonna incorporate this into my playing!

POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 08:41 pm / quote |
Gman400 :
You're the man, Seth!
POSTED: 08/28/2006 - 10:19 pm / quote |
Tedward :
RockFreak000 :
I dont get it, wich means its really good.
just what i was thinking

the Sad Wings of Destiny vinyl i have is just sitting in my room underneath my turntable lol

POSTED: 08/29/2006 - 02:30 pm / quote |
Lacquer_Head :
I love the tritone... It is just the cooles interval ever!
POSTED: 08/29/2006 - 05:35 pm / quote |
cwaldman15 :
well i cant say that i fully understand this lesson, but i just started taking music theory so the fact that i can get anything out of it means it was written really well GJ
POSTED: 08/29/2006 - 10:50 pm / quote |
jonny and tom :
not bad I'm gonna try that, Right now im gonna go get laid tho...
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 01:42 am / quote |
mpeskett :
You should also mention the Tritone substitution used in Jazz. Because the tritone is exactly in the middle of the major scale, if you invert the interval in the dominant chord (the 3rd to 7th) then you get a new chord which you use. Eg, the G7 chord has the B - F tritone, inverted becomes F - B and this is the 3rd and 7th (respectively) of Db7. More easily remembered, is that Db is a flattened 5th above G, which is why this method is also known as flat 5 substitution.
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 09:36 am / quote |
EmancipatedSoul :

You take the root note, for instance E. The fifth means, the 5th note from E. So E, F, G, A, B. B is thew 5th and hence a power chord EBE. So the 4th would be an A, the 3rd a G ect.
That may work for 5ths, but that is completely wrong for anything else.
What you want to learn in the Major Scale, which from the root is Whole step(2Frets),whole step, half step(1Fret),whole, whole, whole, half(which brings you back to root). Now to figure out the 3rds, 4ths, 5ths and so on. You just count the notes down the major scale starting from the root(Which is the number 1), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then back to ?1? and you're back to root. And you use those numbers to figure out the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on. So the 3rd of E is actually G# and the 4th is A.

I agree with him but other than that i think its a fairly good lesson. Nicely done man

POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 02:01 pm / quote |
EmancipatedSoul :
That was sleepn_giant who said that by the way...
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 02:02 pm / quote |
automatedshovel :
Cool, that was helpful and well written. I gave it a 10
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 02:27 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Checked.
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 03:57 pm / quote |
notoriousnumber :
Not really new stuff to me, but still worth the read, great job man.
POSTED: 08/30/2006 - 04:03 pm / quote |
Cal UK :
Very good article I read this after your harmonising articles which were also very good. I need to polish my music theory (Ok start learning music theory) to properly understand though.
POSTED: 08/31/2006 - 02:37 am / quote |
mpeskett :
jonny and tom wrote:

not bad I'm gonna try that, Right now im gonna go get laid tho...


Thanks for telling us, I bet your self esteem is alot higher now.

POSTED: 08/31/2006 - 10:54 am / quote |
Zoso_Jimmy :
Another song that has some cool tritones in it is YYZ by Rush the into is pure tritones just for anybody who wanted to know some songs that have this interval in it
POSTED: 08/31/2006 - 09:31 pm / quote |
maki3 :
sometimes.. i feel like a lonely interval..
POSTED: 09/01/2006 - 02:41 pm / quote |
habeeb420 :
yea thats a great article

"dissonance may melt face off"
lol

POSTED: 09/05/2006 - 01:30 am / quote |
RTBM :
Hello Hello ?????

You see, whereas a lot of Europeans for centuries thought that the tritone sounded "evil", Americans adopted the interval to instead sound more "blue", hence the name "blues".


I am a european am let me tell you that they did liked the tritonus be used in certain ways. second! It was'nt the americans who adopted the Tritonus BUT the Africans who where stolen from afica to become slave in North America! LEARN your history dude!!!!

POSTED: 09/06/2006 - 05:16 am / quote |
Vman666 :
that was awesome...I never actually realised that note was there in a way...like obviously i knew it was there but its a very unused interval...(as its not an official interval)...thanks for this...
POSTED: 09/11/2006 - 10:44 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Checked.
POSTED: 09/13/2006 - 12:19 am / quote |
shadows666 :
Excellent pimpage of Judas Priest good article
POSTED: 09/13/2006 - 05:40 pm / quote |
K10P :
i dont understand in what context which of the the interval names (augumented 4rth/dim 5th) is used-the article didnt explain this. Is it based on the triads within a certain key eg B diminished in the key of C?..
POSTED: 09/13/2006 - 11:28 pm / quote |
ibanzi-crazy :
eeeeerrrrrmmmmm:o
POSTED: 09/16/2006 - 05:06 pm / quote |
EpitaphMan440 :
Thumbs Up

POSTED: 09/17/2006 - 07:43 pm / quote |
irishRW :
That was great man, keep em coming. Cheers to ur mate silent deftone to.
POSTED: 10/10/2006 - 01:01 pm / quote |
Johnljones7443 :
K10P wrote:

i dont understand in what context which of the the interval names (augumented 4rth/dim 5th) is used-the article didnt explain this. Is it based on the triads within a certain key eg B diminished in the key of C?..


C - F# = Augmented fourth.
C - Gb = Diminished fifth.

POSTED: 10/30/2006 - 01:27 pm / quote |
Forged-Alliance :
I really enjoyed the article. I under the theoretical concepts behind the tri-tone well after reading the article.

However I do have a question in reguards to usage of the interval.

To show you my problem I'll reuse that section from the Ripper by Judas Preist

|-----|
|-----8--7-----|
|-----7--9-----7--10-9---
--8--|
|7--9--10-9-----10-----10
----|
|-----|
|-----|

Ok so I see that the tritone used in this riff is the 8th fret played at the end of the measure (or D#) which would be the tritone of the 7th fret (or A) because D# is half an octave higher than A.

Now in this instance, of what I could tell with my current knowledge of music theory (fairly limited I might add) the tri-tone in this instance was basically just chromatically added, an accidental I guess.

Is that correct? If I'm wrong please tell me what scale he was using! And or what key he was in.

P.S. if anyone can direct me to a concise article on the relationship of keys and scales...I'd appreciate it.

POSTED: 12/11/2006 - 10:21 pm / quote |
pitbull510 :
ah man this is awesum, i have WAY better understanding of the tritone! thx!
POSTED: 06/02/2007 - 05:23 pm / quote |
David Fyfield :
Wonderful stuff.

Check out "Windmills of your mind".

You will find the evil chord - a minor 7th with a flatterned 5th.

Also the fantastic -I'm going to a town by Rufus Wreinwright.
Its use to set up the line " After soacking the body of Jesus Christ in Blood" is Genious.

Use the chord Sparingly for greater impact.

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 04:09 am / quote |
Duh4994 :
Great lesson. It helped clear up what the tri-tone was. very helpful
POSTED: 06/27/2007 - 01:18 pm / quote |
Prostakma :
emm good article!
POSTED: 08/13/2007 - 01:25 am / quote |
XxPunkMafiaxX :
Tritones are one of the most over-used things in a single genre of music....yet they still fail to lose their cool-ness and ability to sound awesome and original
POSTED: 08/16/2007 - 12:43 pm / quote |
tommy_razor :
good lesson, but why do you say that the flat 5 is in a dominant 7th chord? a dominant 7 is made up of a root, minor 7, 5, and a major 3, and when u use it on the 5th of the key ur in it becomes the 5th, the 2nd, the 4th, and the flat second, but that doesn't contain a flat 5? could u explain that 2 me please? thanks
POSTED: 09/20/2007 - 09:10 pm / quote |
tommy_razor :
shoot, i mean it becomes the 5th, the 2nd, the 4th and the maj. 7
POSTED: 09/20/2007 - 09:12 pm / quote |
fagelamusgtr :
Thanks bro. This will defintely help my writting in some spots.
POSTED: 07/06/2008 - 10:23 pm / quote |
ETHANR26 :
im confused as hell... could some1 post a tab on these comments in standard tuning with only the three notes of some tritone in it? that would help alot.
POSTED: 07/22/2008 - 11:54 pm / quote |
lukeuh36azabc :
good for beginners who are into metal, but a bit too basic
POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 11:58 am / quote |
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