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An Elementary Understanding Of Tubes

author: Kevy Absolution date: 07/13/2009 category: the guide to
rating: 8.3 / votes: 13 
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 08:39 am
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The Judist :
I can't be bothered with valve amps. I just play solid state amps. I don't see why I should have to get one just to follow a norm. I'm saying anyone should do what they want to do, as long as it causes no harm or loss to others of course. I just plug my Yamaha into my Peavey Bandit. Some people say my tone is like SRV. That's enough for me.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 09:28 am / quote |
NemX162 :
I think you mean to say to turn on the power with the standby switch off then, switching it on. Turning the standby on without the power will do nothing, on my amp at least.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 09:37 am / quote |
Kevy Absolution :
Good call NemX, my mistake. Yeah, power first and allow the tubes to heat before engaging the second stage.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 09:53 am / quote |
Lauke_101 :
I might be wrong and hey, I'm not a native speaker of English, but I always thought the word valve was American and tube was British.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 11:05 am / quote |
metallicafan616 :
tube is american, valve is british.
and The Judist, you are tone deaf. VERY tone deaf if you think a bandit has good tone or sounds anything like SRV

POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 12:16 pm / quote |
hawk_kst :
metallicafan616 wrote:

tube is american, valve is british.
and The Judist, you are tone deaf. VERY tone deaf if you think a bandit has good tone or sounds anything like SRV

Erm being tone deaf doesn't actually mean not recognising a good tone... it's refering to pitch...

POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 01:45 pm / quote |
SpeedLives :
Before playing, it is better to turn on the standby switch for a few minutes to allow the tubes so warm up

the manual for my blackstar ht5 specifically says be sure to turn the standby switch to on no later then 30 seconds after the power switch is turned on, or else you risk damaging the tubes.

also i think the everything you need to know about tubes thread says don't let it "idle" (standby off power on) for more then a minute or so, or else you risk damage as well.

POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 02:01 pm / quote |
Morning Star :
So basically don't do anything slightly out of the ordinary or it will explode. I know they sound great but I would be constantly terrified of doing something that would cause a meltdown. Not good for an OCD spaz like me.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 06:50 pm / quote |
enselmis :
it doesnt really make that much difference. it's not gonna murder you tubes while it's idoling, they'll wear, but slower than when its on full power.
POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 08:16 pm / quote |
The Pickle Man :
The Judist wrote:

I can't be bothered with valve amps. I just play solid state amps. I don't see why I should have to get one just to follow a norm. I'm saying anyone should do what they want to do, as long as it causes no harm or loss to others of course. I just plug my Yamaha into my Peavey Bandit. Some people say my tone is like SRV. That's enough for me.


That's not a very intelligent series of words you've put together there. If you can't be bothered with tubes, well, you're not much of a guitar enthusiast. I know for a fact that the Peavey Bandit is a piece of shite, and anyone who tells you you sound live SRV has to be a retard.

POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 10:40 pm / quote |
SLD.Potato :
Morning Star wrote:

So basically don't do anything slightly out of the ordinary or it will explode. I know they sound great but I would be constantly terrified of doing something that would cause a meltdown. Not good for an OCD spaz like me.


That's what I was afraid of when I first got a tube amp, but they're really not hard to work with. Just don't throw the amp down a staircase and you won't have any serious problems.

POSTED: 07/13/2009 - 11:01 pm / quote |
justinb904 :
Before an argument/mass flaming breaks out that I'm sure would be a great annoyance to the cc's, it might be good to remind our selves that good tone is largely based on our opinions and arguing over something so opinion based is simply retarded. If someone likes the tone of an ss amp more power to 'em.

More on topic, tube amps aren't hard to take care of as some of you seem to imagine. The whole on/off/standby deal is just to help preserve the life of the tubes. It's not like if you don't do it exactly right your tubes will explode. Other than that just treat it with the same care you would any other amp and you shouldn't have any problems.

POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 01:27 pm / quote |
The^Unforgiven :
justinb904 wrote:

arguing over something so opinion based is simply retarded.


Arguing over the internet in general is like competing in the special olympics, as in even if you should win you're still a retard. Anyway, totally agree, tone is a very subjective matter, and it's not all about what kind of circuitry runs your amp. Don't ever see anyone bitching because of Dimebag largely having relied on ss -amps instead of tubes, now do you?

POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 02:19 pm / quote |
revo crazy :
VOX AC30!!!!!
POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 03:52 pm / quote |
DrPeppler :
Thank you so much for writing this column! I have a Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier and have been wondering why I was blowing fuses left and right. Thought there was a continuous power surge or something. Just to make sure, though; when I started blowing fuses, I switched from "High Power (silicon diodes)" to "Normal Power (vacuum tubes)" and I stopped blowing fuses. Was this because I am now running less power to the tubes, thus making it harder for them to draw more power to a "dying" tube(s), which would stop causing a fuse to blow? Also, my tubes are, like, at least three years old with daily use at moderate volumes.
POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 04:31 pm / quote |
nacnudnai :
Kudos to those open-minded to see that people are entitled to use whatever amp their ears like.
Quite simply, there is still a high demand for ss and in my opinion there are some great ss amps. It's just horses for courses though, when it comes to bass amps I like ss, but I prefer tubes for my guitar amps in most situations.

POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 04:32 pm / quote |
FretboardToAsh :
Seems like a very good article, should get stickied in the gear & acesoires forum to avoid the buggers every month askign the same questions.
POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 07:43 pm / quote |
dylanfromearth :
SpeedLives wrote:

Before playing, it is better to turn on the standby switch for a few minutes to allow the tubes so warm up

the manual for my blackstar ht5 specifically says be sure to turn the standby switch to on no later then 30 seconds after the power switch is turned on, or else you risk damaging the tubes.

also i think the everything you need to know about tubes thread says don't let it "idle" (standby off power on) for more then a minute or so, or else you risk damage as well.

i have a peavey tube amp that i leave on idle all winter because that part of the house gets pretty cold, your statement is false

POSTED: 07/14/2009 - 10:43 pm / quote |
fburns :
SLD.Potato wrote:

That's what I was afraid of when I first got a tube amp, but they're really not hard to work with. Just don't throw the amp down a staircase and you won't have any serious problems.


also if you get anythin over 10W in a good valve amp (spot the brit) you'll need an attenuator for bedroom practice. damn they're loud! but you want the volume up loud to get the best sound out, so: attenuator!

POSTED: 07/15/2009 - 08:20 am / quote |
Asif Zaman :
Great article....
POSTED: 07/15/2009 - 10:53 am / quote |
Kevy Absolution :
Thanks for the comments! Yeah if anyone reccomends a sticky I would be in your debt.
POSTED: 07/15/2009 - 07:39 pm / quote |
whitenihilist :
When people say "damaged tubes" (i.e. idling your amp, not letting it warm up) they don't mean that it will "meltdown" or "explode". They mean that the tubes will have a considerably shorter life, depending on how often you do damaging things. That is the only real drawbacks of tube amps: having to pay for replacement tubes. That being said they are not that expensive, I have a Crate Palomion V32, it has 3 preamp tubes and 4 power amp tubes and the average price of a complete retubing is about 80-100 dollars. And with proper care tubes can last years.
POSTED: 07/18/2009 - 07:40 pm / quote |
\m/[-_-]\m/ :
at first when i saw this thread i saw it said 'An Elementary Understanding Of Pubes'. i lol'd hard.
POSTED: 07/18/2009 - 09:31 pm / quote |
Blas3 :
\m/[-_-]\m/ wrote:

at first when i saw this thread i saw it said 'An Elementary Understanding Of Pubes'. i lol'd hard.

LOL!!!!! 1 for you

POSTED: 07/19/2009 - 06:41 pm / quote |
grem_roots :
As for buying valve (I think) the best thing to do is to take the damaged (or undamaged if you're just looking for a spare) into an electronics shop and ask for a valve of the same spec. It'll be about half the price of a branded marshall valve and is exactly the same.
I heard somewhere that nearly all valves, marshalls included, are made in the same factory somewhere in Russia.
Interesting article though. thanks for posting

POSTED: 08/07/2009 - 05:24 am / quote |
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