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Anatomy Of Great Lyrics

author: gogita21 date: 08/01/2006 category: the guide to
rating: 6.8 / votes: 38 
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 09:15 am
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potownshredder :
and good article
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 10:21 am / quote |
leijsa :
I liked it, but the 2nd half of it was just English class.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 10:24 am / quote |
boboguitar :
leijsa wrote:

I liked it, but the 2nd half of it was just English class.
English class is your friend remember?

POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 11:09 am / quote |
Kizna :
In some things I agree, in others I disagree
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 12:42 pm / quote |
Ary :
good
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 12:55 pm / quote |
gogita21 :
leijsa wrote:

I liked it, but the 2nd half of it was just English class.

Yeah, that was the point of the second half. To teach literary techniques to those who may not know them or have forgotten them.

Thanks everyone for the comments!

POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 01:48 pm / quote |
TeenBite :
Good work.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 01:53 pm / quote |
mikeman :
Very informative.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 02:08 pm / quote |
Scotty69 :
meh
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 02:15 pm / quote |
Craigo :
Well done, but all the ideas are things I know already. Everything you've talked about is nothing fresh from what has been offered by other people and my own knowledge and sense. 2/5 stars for the actual work, 4/5 for how it's written. 6/10.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 02:57 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
dont claim posts, im looking at you potownshredder.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 03:06 pm / quote |
Nybb :
Solid content and decently written. Although personally, I find it much more interesting to do the opposite of your section on rhythmic flow (and by the way, you said there was two important types of flow but only explained one). That is, I like to change up the meter and rhyme schemes every now and then, especially the rhymes. That's just my opinion though. 8/10
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 03:29 pm / quote |
Caustic :
I liked the article. People forget these most basic guidelines and pointers so often.
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 03:38 pm / quote |
stratman13 :
It was full of soda
Frozen rocky road-ah



That, my friends, is rock 'n' roll.

POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 03:38 pm / quote |
gogita21 :
Nybb wrote:
(and by the way, you said there was two important types of flow but only explained one).

Ah, you're right! I wonder what happened to my section on logical flow... >_

POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 03:53 pm / quote |
Fridge :
You're half right, but I still think you're not quite getting the big picture. You're obviously a smart, analytical person, and you probably have a lot of natural ability in writing song lyrics; however, that isn't something that can really be taught. The ability to write "greatly" is something you either have or you don't. Writing songs isn't about discerning what you need to do structurally in order to get from A - Z. Anything that is about expression shouldn't have a template. Expression comes from you, from inside of you, and if you don't have that artistic creative element then you shouldn't try and force it or develop it artificially.

Basically, great songs tend to have those elements within them, but if you're thinking about those elements then you will never write a truly great song. You can't fake talent.

POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 07:19 pm / quote |
foomandan :
good things....
POSTED: 08/01/2006 - 07:39 pm / quote |
bassmonkey16 :
i agree with your opener, in that there is a lot of crap song lyrics users on this site create - BIG F'ING DEAL man. you need to start somwhere. i encourage new writers to come here, really, even tho some crits are pretty damn harsh it teaches writers to mature and to realize they arent the best, meaning they need improvement. what do you expect to find here, 100% professionaly songwriters?

and about the "open to interpretation" deal. some people like that kind of stuff. some don't. biggest problem i found with this article is that you are close-minded and think there are rules to lyrics, and music in general. maybe the stuff you enjoy listening to is very technical, and follows the perfect progression, never strays from the scale, whatever. which is cool, to each his own. but i second what Fridge said in his second paragrapgh :cheers:

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 12:40 am / quote |
burndttoast :
Well said. But it feels like you were missing something. I'm not sure what though.
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 02:10 am / quote |
elcapitanloco :
Sorry to pick nits, but the meter section is incorrect. The author seems to think that stressed and unstressed syllables have to alternate, which is false. The first line, for example, should be

USUUSUS

The words "to the" have 2 syllables. Like it or not, there are two vowel sounds there. Likewise, "salted potato" has 5 syllables. Joining "-ed" and "po-" into one syllable doesn't make sense.

I realize that you probably wanted to demonstrate a uniform meter, but the words you chose don't fit it.

Also it seems weird to mention alliteration without mentioning consonance (repeating consonant sounds, but not necessarily at the beginnings of words) and assonance (repeating vowel sounds), and internal rhyme (rhyme within a line, rather than at the end of the lines).

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 04:58 am / quote |
MATTTHEMOP :
The words "to the" have 2 syllables. Like it or not, there are two vowel sounds there. Likewise, "salted potato" has 5 syllables. Joining "-ed" and "po-" into one syllable doesn't make sense.


the words were joined into one BEAT not one syllable. its just like, splitting a beat into 2 smaller offbeats. when i say it as the writer seems to have intended, it sounds fine.

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 08:03 am / quote |
mr. blobby :
elcapitanloco wrote:

assonance (repeating vowel sounds).


i thought assonance was where the two words that should rhyme don't. like when william blake or someone like that rhymes the word swan with the word stone? - that was in educating rita (we did it for GCSE) they called it getting the rhyme wrong.

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 08:40 am / quote |
automatedshovel :
thanks, that was helpful :M:
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 11:59 am / quote |
Music=Freedom :
I have real trouble writing lyrics. Its like, i'll cum up wit sum ok stuff but then reach a wall after 1 verse. I think i'll study ur article, looks good and hopefully it'll help.
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 01:56 pm / quote |
Mexican Militia :
nice article, its a great helper
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 03:03 pm / quote |
spunkeymonkey36 :
I liked this article alot. The one thing that bums me though is about what order you should write your song in; the lyrics and then add the music behind, or the music first and then add lyrics on top. The problem is if you write the lyrics first, then making your melody may not be as easy or quite how you want it, but doing the music first and then the lyrics will make your lyrics boring and repetitive. What to do? Good points in article though 5/5.
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 04:22 pm / quote |
LeveLHeaD69 :
it helps alot, thanks dogger
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 04:30 pm / quote |
Eric 666 :
very nice man, I like it.
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 05:36 pm / quote |
ESPguy981 :
ok ok thats nice now tell me how to write death metal lyrics...
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 07:54 pm / quote |
gwitersnamps :
Informative, but it seems like you argue against yourself by putting the "don't be afraid to say what's already done before" next to "teach a new dog new tricks." I assume your refering to different parts of songwriting?
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 09:53 pm / quote |
Katear :
ESPguy981 :
ok ok thats nice now tell me how to write death metal lyrics...


Scream into a microphone and hope they interpret it as something.

Nicely written article, good pointers. I partially agree with the guy who said that lyrical talent is just that, talent, and can't be learned. I have to force myself to write lyrics, but I know people who've them scribbled everywhere.

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 09:58 pm / quote |
Obelisk :
You're half right, but I still think you're not quite getting the big picture. You're obviously a smart, analytical person, and you probably have a lot of natural ability in writing song lyrics; however, that isn't something that can really be taught. The ability to write "greatly" is something you either have or you don't. Writing songs isn't about discerning what you need to do structurally in order to get from A - Z. Anything that is about expression shouldn't have a template. Expression comes from you, from inside of you, and if you don't have that artistic creative element then you shouldn't try and force it or develop it artificially.

Basically, great songs tend to have those elements within them, but if you're thinking about those elements then you will never write a truly great song. You can't fake talent.


He's right. Although what the author has stated here is good advice for certain kinds of people, other musicians with different ideas, thought processes and modes of expression should not try to confine themselves to any sort of guidelines...but, what Fridge said is very relevant and is probably more important that most of the things stated in this article.

Not a bad opinion though. It's definely a legitamate route for some people.

POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 10:49 pm / quote |
Underrated :
I think Beck's lyrics rock and they follow virtually none of these rules. Oh well.
POSTED: 08/02/2006 - 11:33 pm / quote |
StringsofBlack :
I thought you had some great points in there. Some of these posts criticize saying they already knew that. Well I knew them too, but putting them into kinda a bullet explanation format was great. Alot of things that really needed to be said he covered. The only thing nice wouldve been it being a little more thorough and longer, but still great ideas here! Keep going with it! And btw to those people out there talking about the english critic, yeah you need english class material. Thats where the best poets reside, who frankly, could kick today's songwriters asses at lyrics lol. But thats okay keep going ya'll!
POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 01:29 am / quote |
StringsofBlack :
Obelisk wrote:

You're half right, but I still think you're not quite getting the big picture. You're obviously a smart, analytical person, and you probably have a lot of natural ability in writing song lyrics; however, that isn't something that can really be taught. The ability to write "greatly" is something you either have or you don't. Writing songs isn't about discerning what you need to do structurally in order to get from A - Z. Anything that is about expression shouldn't have a template. Expression comes from you, from inside of you, and if you don't have that artistic creative element then you shouldn't try and force it or develop it artificially.

Basically, great songs tend to have those elements within them, but if you're thinking about those elements then you will never write a truly great song. You can't fake talent.


He's right. Although what the author has stated here is good advice for certain kinds of people, other musicians with different ideas, thought processes and modes of expression should not try to confine themselves to any sort of guidelines...but, what Fridge said is very relevant and is probably more important that most of the things stated in this article.

Not a bad opinion though. It's definely a legitamate route for some people.


Uhh yeah thats actually not true. You can be taught how to write thats the whole friggin point of english class haha. Ray Bradbury talked about how he'd look at his stuff from when earlier before real hardwork and studying literary work and he said it was totaly crap. You need more than just great ideas or inspiration. You have to funnel your inspiration into something rational and yes sometimes with a template.

POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 01:32 am / quote |
Zakkmann :
it was good but for someone who doesnt listen to country its not helpful...like me and alot of other people. also i think songs should be more free form. i mean its music why the heck does it have to be so formal. music isn't about fallowing rules. its art not math
POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 04:43 am / quote |
AcsticRckr89 :
good article but i still cant write good songs... o well....
POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 01:51 pm / quote |
xDoMyGuitarNoWx :
good job! i liked this article very much, since i am struggling to write a song right now. thanks
POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 02:42 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Checked.
POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 05:07 pm / quote |
drshock :
this is for beginners, i didnt learn anything
POSTED: 08/04/2006 - 03:25 am / quote |
Metal_Rich :
Good article
POSTED: 08/07/2006 - 10:35 am / quote |
forevergonzo :
i think that writing lyrics that don't make any sense is an ok thing to do as long as its entertaining.
look at the pixies
good article for the most part though

POSTED: 08/14/2006 - 04:08 pm / quote |
metalbasser :
Thanks man,pretty good

POSTED: 08/21/2006 - 11:04 am / quote |
Swamplord :
StringsofBlack wrote:

I thought you had some great points in there. Some of these posts criticize saying they already knew that. Well I knew them too, but putting them into kinda a bullet explanation format was great. Alot of things that really needed to be said he covered. The only thing nice wouldve been it being a little more thorough and longer, but still great ideas here! Keep going with it! And btw to those people out there talking about the english critic, yeah you need english class material. Thats where the best poets reside, who frankly, could kick today's songwriters asses at lyrics lol. But thats okay keep going ya'll!




I agree. People do critize. For those dimwits who say, "I already know how to write lyrics." Why did you read an article with title 'Anatomy of Great Lyrics'???

When taking the piss out of the author... bear in mind the time taken for them to write the article, then the time taken for you to write your comment.

POSTED: 08/23/2006 - 07:17 am / quote |
cortez0 :
I liked your article but you don't always have to tell a story, you can explain your feelings and use a vague text.

I don't like rules either, I write like I feel. Those syllables remind me of the latin poets. They did the same, very strict.

POSTED: 08/23/2007 - 10:39 am / quote |
Bmace15 :
Its preatty good to vauge in some places and its not anything i didn't already know
POSTED: 12/04/2007 - 10:24 am / quote |
da_ :
thanks
POSTED: 04/24/2008 - 06:28 am / quote |
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