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Unique Songwriting

author: Dante's Inferno date: 03/07/2006 category: the guide to
rating: 6.1 / votes: 30 
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 07:37 am
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Inf1n1tY. :
ok but all i learnd from this is that i should study the bands i like and mess arround with my playing. all i ve known an done before. good for beginners. no unique songwritting-technique or something. The bands you have mentioned may have unique songs but you dont explained it at all
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 10:02 am / quote |
Dante's Inferno :
That's a good point. But the numbers above the tab is wrong. Darnit
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 10:23 am / quote |
thefinalcut :
He's exactly right on coming up with something unique with dynamics and a good arrangment but he came off like his songwriting style is better, because it's "progressive", and he could've expanded topics.

Listening to lots of different records and live bands is good. If you listen intently, you can come up with offshoots of melodies, riffs, licks and strumming patterns.

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 10:32 am / quote |
Dante's Inferno :
Hey wait a minute! I wrote this, not Dante. Did UG get this wrong?
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 10:52 am / quote |
tulkas_1985 :
you lost me right with the introduction... i'm bigtime into singer/songwriter stuff and i tend to think a lot of unique songwriting has been done on 4/4 time-sig with a simple four chords progression (bob dylan, johnny cash, dave matthews, john mayer, jack johnson, herbert grönemeyer, reinhard mey, etc...). i agree it's important to let yourself be influenced by other styles, but i wouldn't limit that to prog-rock/metal.
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:19 pm / quote |
Rodders :
How could you do an article on unique song writing and not mention Biffy Clyro?

Apart from that it was ok...but nothing special...

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:33 pm / quote |
Hotfox_07 :
Dante's Inferno wrote:

Hey wait a minute! I wrote this, not Dante. Did UG get this wrong?


Who's I?

Good article, I especially liked the step by step approach...but one thing bothered me as a hardcore metallica fan. You posted the riff to enter sandman as:

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|-----7-----5---4---4-5-4
-2--|
|-0-0---6-5--0-3-0-2-0-2-
3-2-0--|


Where it's actually played like this:

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|-----5-----5-----|
|-----7-----5---4---4-5-4
-2--|
|--0-----6-5-----0--0-3-0
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Just a little side note. Otherwise, it was really good!

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:40 pm / quote |
Hotfox_07 :
Hmm...That didn't work....let's try again...

This is the way it was posted...
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|-----7-----7-----7-----5
---4---4-5-4-2--|
|-0-0---6-5--0-0-0---6-5-
-0-0-0---6-5-0--0-3-0-2-0
-2-3-2-0--|

This is the way it's played...
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|-----5-----5-----repeat-
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|-----7-----2x-----5---4-
--4-5-4-2--|
|--0-----6-5-----0-----0-
3-0-2-0-2-3-2-0--|


POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:44 pm / quote |
Hotfox_07 :
Nevermind....I give up...

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:44 pm / quote |
chili pepper :
tool and dream theater rock!
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 01:54 pm / quote |
Metalhead_Jams :
You only mention prog bands as unique songwriters, what about the more mainstream bands who still write original stuff. e.g. Radiohead. (regardless of weather you like them, they're definitely unique.)
I think you also should mention listening to all different types of music including classical and jazz, country and folk, funk and even Hip hop. Also Music theory really helps. (you need to know the rules to break them)

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 02:27 pm / quote |
chili pepper :
who wrote this?

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 03:53 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
So basically, what you're saying is, all modern song structural formulas are crap and as an alternative you're asking us to get into prog rock? Some of those bands you mentioned are okay at best ('cept Rush and Floyd, which both are awesome), but I think you could've offered some different approaches to lyrics, progressions, concepts, etc. Playing complete chords as opposed to power chords isn't going to magically make your song stand out. It's almost as if you think playing "Blitzkrieg Bop" with full chords will make it sound un-punk and people will go "Wow, these people are different!"
I respect the article's concept, but it didn't deliver as much as I was expecting. 6/10. Ah hell, I'm in a good mood today: 7/10. A part 2 that goes more in depth would be nice (though only pussies keep making sequels...).

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 04:58 pm / quote |
n0e :
if i remember correctly, you've had a couple sequels to your harmonizing articles :P

as for this article, i didn't get much out of it. basically it sounds to me like i should keep playing power chords but add some hammer ons in there to make it "cooler". the name of this article is "unique" songwriting but there nothing unique about doing the exact same things as all these band you like... and theres DEFINATELY nothing unique about power chords.

POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 08:19 pm / quote |
n0e :
(the part at the ttop of my post was to Seth)
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 08:20 pm / quote |
caucasian_ninja :
Mountain Song by Janes Addiction = Pretty unique use of powerchords. Its just a cool riff, but very repetitive.
POSTED: 03/07/2006 - 09:29 pm / quote |
st.jimmy3 :
i think this is pretty good but like i have trouble finding the inspiration to write songs, i need help on were to look
POSTED: 03/08/2006 - 08:32 am / quote |
i'm a guitarist :
your young ? im younger and have been writing songs for years and u can sum up how to be song writer and be unique in a few simple instructions ... one listen to bands and artists who have been into acid (beatles, john frusciante solo work, the doors, the mars volta) ... two learn music theaory to keep it fresh
POSTED: 03/08/2006 - 12:10 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
[quote]n0e wrote:

if i remember correctly, you've had a couple sequels to your harmonizing articles :P
quote]
Yes, I know. That was the joke. Don't worry, I wouldn't be dumb enough to unintentionally leave a loophole like that in my post. It's at least good to know that you know my articles enough to even catch that joke.

POSTED: 03/08/2006 - 04:56 pm / quote |
SethMegadefan :
^Well, I goofed up the quote tags on that one!
POSTED: 03/08/2006 - 04:57 pm / quote |
Steelman :
Personally, I think this article kinda sucked dude. Going perhaps a little more indepth into the topic of unique songwriting would have been good. Also, you totally come off like you haven't the slightest idea what you are really talking about, and that you're just regurgitating something. Musical expansion can come from different genres. Chord extensions and modes might have also been a bit helpful. Still, right on for giving a stab at it.
POSTED: 03/08/2006 - 07:10 pm / quote |
allareone_421 :
ok bro, what the **** ever. here's my two cents...

Pink Floyd and Tool are the shit. period. The other band are commendable as well but where is Radiohead and Primus? Primus is probably one of the most unique rock bands of all time. In the article you mention there aren't any unique songs with only one riff; listen to primus. But odd time signatures are key to a different sound. Know your theory in order to consciously write songs out of the ordinary. But in music there are only twelve notes. How many different ways can twelve notes be played? And there in lies the secret to unique songwriting...

There is also such a thing as overkill. You have to *feel* when more is need and when less is needed. You don't necessarily have to throw in so many crazy scales and arpeggios everywhere with every part of the song filling it all with lyrics and drums that are too busy rather than technically intriguing. Let your music breathe. Lengthen it out and think as if you and you band members are having a conversation, if everyone talks at once then whatever is said is inaudible and nothing is reached. Not every fill is everyones time to shine. whoevers turn it is is to talk, his bandmates should back up what he has to say.

Sorry for the long post... im ****in stoned man.... i think overall you might wanna just let it flow bro...

POSTED: 03/09/2006 - 01:36 am / quote |
kjohnson08 :
what about the doors? that right there is uniue song writing.
POSTED: 03/09/2006 - 11:14 am / quote |
noneoftheabove :
kind of inspiring. not the best article, but it definitely gave some good ideas. i know pink floyd and dream theatre but when you started talking about opeth i was lost. good points tho, i agree we need more bands like this.
POSTED: 03/09/2006 - 11:32 am / quote |
Diabolic Clown :
Progressive music kicks ass
POSTED: 03/09/2006 - 02:32 pm / quote |
pumba211 :
At the start of the review, you said you were young. How young exactly are you??...because i am 13.
POSTED: 03/09/2006 - 11:40 pm / quote |
Danielj :
You can't write an article to teach or explain how to write a song, for those who do it uniquely, it comes to them automatically.
POSTED: 03/10/2006 - 02:08 pm / quote |
Danielj :
i'm a guitarist wrote:
one listen to bands and artists who have been into acid two learn music theaory to keep it fresh


Okay i agree with learn theory, but listen to bands that have been into acid? That has nothing to do with their songwriting capabilities however much they say it does in my opinion. all ity does is give them something to sing about. Listening to those bands isnt going to make you a better songwriter . .. not for that reason at least. Im young too btw, 14

POSTED: 03/10/2006 - 02:11 pm / quote |
Arkane :
Progressive metal rules, but this article totally doesnt.
POSTED: 03/11/2006 - 12:17 am / quote |
fadingboy :
Pretty poor article
POSTED: 03/11/2006 - 01:34 am / quote |
RIP_Kurt_Cobain :
Is this your first article? Dude, did you drop out in the second grade or something? wow. Doesn't anybody listen to Nirvana anymore? I mean, talk about some unique melodies!
POSTED: 03/11/2006 - 01:56 pm / quote |
I_Play_Rock :
Nirvana rocks...

POSTED: 03/18/2006 - 07:53 pm / quote |
TyphoidSpider :
Im so glad that a lot of people on here can appreciate and like tool. I love tool. Do I have the right to kill my drummer when he says that he thinks Black Eyed Peas is the best band ever and that tool suck? Please say yes. Anyway, back on topic, the world needs more musicians of every genre to be innovative. What the article says is right, you should listen to as many different artists, learn from them and be inspired.
POSTED: 03/23/2006 - 02:57 am / quote |
TimmyHendriix :
Yea nirvana had unique melodies but they also took every good power chord riff. soo thats y its unoriginal.
POSTED: 04/02/2006 - 07:06 pm / quote |
iggy pop :
This got boring quick and didn't teach me much. 2 be unique do stuff thats never been done be4
POSTED: 05/25/2006 - 12:08 pm / quote |
cmonfeelthenoiz :
if we need an article to tell us how to be original, doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose?
POSTED: 06/06/2006 - 11:39 am / quote |
bass_gtarace :
This article makes me want to punch a walrus. Poorly written and useless. Thank you Dante
POSTED: 12/18/2006 - 02:42 pm / quote |
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