Guns N' Roses: The 'Real' Story

In the Early 80's Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash) started playing with Steven Adler, as for Izzy Strandlin in 1984, joins a band called London. Axl Rose, together with friend Tracii Guns, forms the band L.A. Guns. Izzy's band London will soon start playing with Slash in their band. In January 1985 Duff and his friend, Greg Gilmore, moved down to L.A. They started to answer ads and attending auditions together and somewhere down the line, Duff decided to start playing bass instead of guitar. When Duff answered an add one day, it led him to meet Slash and Steven Adler. Together they formed the band Road Crew. Whilst in this band, Slash came up with a riff that will soon be used in Paradise City. In March 1985 Axl Rose and Tracii Guns took their surnames to form the band Guns N' Roses. They take Izzy on board as second guitarist to Tracii. Before the name Guns N' Roses was chosen, the band rejected such names as Heads Of Amazon and AIDS. Rob Gardner becomes their drummer and bassist Duff is called in as he knew Slash who knew Izzy and so word was passed on. In June 6 1985 Duff uses his connections in Seattle to book gigs for the band. However, Tracii and Rob were not interested and so Duff asks if they can do the gigs with Slash and Steven. Axl agreed to this idea. And so the lineup was Axl, Izzy, Duff, Slash and Steven.

Guns N' Roses rehearsed for a couple of days and started The Hell Tour. However, the trip to Seattle was a disaster. After driving 100 miles their car broke down and they had to hitchhike. When they arrived in Seattle no one cared about them. Most of the shows had been cancelled and they only got $50 a show instead of the promised $250. Their first gig of the first tour was at the Omni Room where only 13 people saw them. In March 25, 1986 Guns n Roses signed with Geffen Records. Later the band starts to record their album at Rumbo Studios, but nothing gets done. Slash has problems with drugs and has to make a decision, drugs or the band. He chose the band.

In August, 1986 Tim Collins (Aerosmith's manager) was interested in managing the band but after they ordered drinks hotel bill, he changed his mind. Alan Niven is then hired as GN'R's manager and they begin recording the songs for "Appetite For Destruction".

In June 15, 1987 "It's So Easy" and "Mr. Brownstone" where released by Geffen and in June 19, 22 & 29 The band made their European debut at the London Marquee. The first show was a disaster as it was on a Friday night and the crowd was very drunk. The press didn't help much by printing all kinds of sensational stories about them. A headline in the Star: "A rock band even nastier than the Beastie Boys is heading for Britain!" In August 1 & 2 Guns n Roses shot their first video, "Welcome To The Jungle". In the end of 1987 Guns n Roses made a tour with Motley Crue. During this tour Slash and Steven Adler save the life of Motley Crue's bassist Nikki Sixx who had overdosed on drugs.

In April 11, 1988 Guns n Roses shot the video for "Sweet Child O' Mine" at Ballroom, Huntington Park, CA. It wasn't long after then in April 23 "Appetite For Destruction" enters the Billboard Top 10. The May - June, 1988 Guns n Roses went on tour with Iron Maiden. The two bands didn't get along very well. Guns n Roses was the most popular band of the two. The Band thought that they should headline instead of Iron Maiden. At the end of the tour Axl had problems with his throat. The Band canceled the rest of the tour, but that didn't stop the rest of the guys from stepping on-stage and with jamming with LA Guns, who were hired to replace Guns n Roses. On July 23, "Appetite For Destruction" reached #1 on the Billboard charts. After the tour Guns n Roses decided to re-enter the studio for another EP recording. The album soon hit the charts in the top ten along with Appetite. This was amazing success for something that was written out in a single day!

“We just sat there and recorded these acoustic tracks in one day and it made millions” - Slash.

The single patience also hit the carts and Guns n Roses once again decided to hit the road again. This tour had the same atmosphere and excitement as the Appetite tour. G’N’R concerts sold out huge arenas with there spectacle and rebellious hard rock sound. But once again the band’s tour was to have severe consciences, this time it was a riot. During a gig in St. Louis Axl famously leapt from stage to tackle a fan with a camera. No sooner had Axl stormed off the stage than 80,000 people erupted into a huge riot. This caused massive damage to the arena and to the band’s reputation. Also it was another chance for the critical flames to burn again. The band made up for this embarrassment by continuing the tour it was, once again, an unprecedented success. But the tour took its toll on the band, as did the excess. After the tour Guns n Roses took a break from recording and touring, during which time the band went truly off the rails. They were all strung out and they all got lost, as for Axl he disappeared altogether. There was a time in August, 1989 where Izzy was arrested for making a public disturbance (he Urinated on the floor, verbally abused a stewardess and smoked in the non-smoking section) on a US Air flight.

Then The Rolling Stones offered Guns n Roses the chance to open their shows on their North American tour. Guns n Roses agreed this was a good time to get back together. But the established band had found difference of opinion during there down time. This newly found tension was expressed in two particular moments. The first was Axl's threat to end the band if a “certain member”, i.e. Slash, didn’t stop “dancing with Mr. Brownstone” the band would be over.

“I know it was directed at me because I was so strung out at the time, but it was what really made me hate Axl more then ever because he never discussed it with me, I never really forgave him for that” - Slash.

But Axl didn’t stop there he also issued the band with an ultimatum he wanted the full rights to the bands name, this was supposedly to keep the band going with him if this version didn’t survive. After their tour with the rolling stones The Band decided to enter the studio once again but this time to record a huge double album they called The Illusion project. In April 1990 Dizzy Reed joined the band as a keyboard player. But the old demons of drink and drugs were still hitting home with the band, in particular drummer Steven Adler. He couldn’t leave his drugs, he would lie to the band. They all managed to straighten theirselves out except Steven, he couldn’t even play, his depression got the best of him. So in July, Steven Adler was fired, The Band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out, Steven failed to clean up and so was fired. He was replaced by Matt Sorum from The Cult, but the sessions had a strange air to them with the rarity of actually seeing Axl and his bizarre creative directions.

In August 19, 1991, Guns n Roses had a show in Copenhagen, Denmark. The show went fine until somebody threw a firecracker onstage. Axl told the audience that the Band wouldn't continue the show until the idiot who did it turned himself in. After a 15-minute break the show continued. Later in October, Steven Adler launched a lawsuit against the band. He claimed that Guns n Roses were responsible for his drug addiction. After on the band finished the Illusion Project but that still wouldn’t prepare Guns n Roses or their label Geffen for the huge success of the albums Use Your Illusions 1 and 2 were a master class mix of everything guns had to offer. The albums went platinum in a week but this wouldn’t be enough for Axl. During the video shoots, Axl went really grand on the budget for the so-called “trilogy”. The videos had to be on a grand scale including: dolphins, an oil freighter, building a church in a desert and of course destroying a mustang.

This was the leadership that crushed the band as a whole, as they prepared for their epic 2-year tour for the album, in November 7, Izzy decided to quit, To replace Izzy the band called the L.A. guitarist Gilby Clarke but he had already heard about the dominant domineer Axl imposed on the band in short he knew the band would not last for long, from the very beginning of the tour a lot had changed about Guns n Roses, their friendship with Axl was lost and they had hardly any contact with him at all. Though they were mostly clean at the time drinking was still a problem. Axl would sometimes not show up at all, they had a lot of canceled gigs they had a lot of shows where they almost didn’t play, it was all very tiring. Even though the band was falling apart they were still a band. When they did all show up for the shows they delivered an incredible performance that would be remembered for decades. But the tour would be the last big thing Guns ever did, the high risk “Most dangerous band that ever lived” that was Guns ‘N’ Roses would soon come to an end. The band grew increasingly distant once the tour was over. This left Slash and Axl talking by phone only as they threw together a bunch of covers called The Spaghetti Incident. This was really the last album Guns n Roses ever made.

In April 29, 1993, Gilby broke his left wrist in a motorcycling accident whilst on tour. In a panic, Axl calls Izzy who steps in for the first five shows. It was great for Slash and Duff that they've played the last five shows, which they knew that it was the last. In June 20 1993 After the illusions tour The Band decided to take a break, during which time Slash became a United States citizen. But with the new Guns n Roses album taking a long time to get off the ground, Slash decided to start another band as a side project. The result was Slash’s Snake Pit, the band released the album “Its 5 o’Clock Somewhere” which achieved worldwide success. The new band also featured equally bored Gunners, Matt Sourum and Gilby Clarke. The band hit the road for a tour of some small clubs and venues in support of the album. Slash was glad to finally get out of the commercial mega-budget Guns ‘N’ Roses tours and back to a close range with the audience.

While Axl took forever to re-kindle G’N’R and the Snake Pit tour was over (though promised to return) Slash was asked to play a blues festival. He accepted the offer and saw it as a chance to return to the Aerosmith style blues routs in his playing. As with snake pit this started a new project for Slash. It was called blues ball and was for live shows only, the band were in popular demand even without releasing an album. They covered classic blues tracks, which were re-defined by Slash soulful guitar playing.

During both Snake Pit and Blues Ball Slash waited for the call from Axl, when it finally came, Guns n Roses set about recording the Spaghetti Incident. This project was dubbed by critics as a way of making money from a band that couldn’t stand their singer. This impression was given off when Axl had little at all to do with the album. The result was Slash taking the reigns and producing/directing this album himself. In June 20, 1993 The Band took a day-off. Sightseeing in Cologne. Slash and Gilby had dinner in an Italian restaurant. The owner was unaware of Slash's sense of humour and so was delighted when Slash, unimpressed by the meal, signed the visitor's book: "Of all the restaurants in the world, this is one!"

The last time the original Guns were in a studio together they recorded a soundtrack cover of Sympathy For The Devil (The Rolling Stones).

On October 30, 1996, Slash resigned due to his inability to cope with Axl's on-stage tantrums and the fact that Axl wanted to take the band in a new direction; making different styles of music. All Slash wanted was another rock album; he told the press, "When Axl is ready to make a rock n’ roll album I’ll come back" and "I’ll never walk onto a stage with a band pretending to be the original G’N’R". "When These differences were not settled and so Slash felt he could no longer play with the band. While Slash remained positive he could work with Rose, if they settled their differences. Axl was final in his decision, he said he couldn’t work with Slash because Slash only wanted to make a rock album. Axl said Guns n Roses needed a new direction and Slash wasn’t part of it. I think that’s the biggest mistake Axl will ever make(in my Opinion), and so Slash was replaced by Robin Finck. After on in August, 1997 Duff quit Guns n Roses, he was replaced by Tommy Stinson and Matt Sorum leaves some time early in the year too and was eventually replaced by Josh Freese. (A Disaster if you ask me).

Axl has tried to recreate the band that failed miserably at its attempted tour. The greatest hits collection sold well, largely because it was the real band. All Guns n Roses fans are awaiting the "Chinese Democracy" - It's been more than half a decade trying to release the album, we are still awaiting the alum.

- Will the album suck?
- Don't say Yes just yet, let's just wait and see...

That's it,

I Hope you liked it, it's a long story but this is the Full story beleive me. Any comments, post at [e-mail], hopefully you won't say that a Gunner name was spelled wrong lol. Let's Introduce the Original Guns n Roses members for the last time, shall we?

Vocals: William Bailey (W. Axl Rose)

Guitars: Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash)

Bass Guitar: Michael McKagan (Duff McKagan)

Rhythm Guitar: Jeff Isabelle (Izzy Strandlin)

Drums: Steven Adler

POSTED: 12/13/2005 - 08:39 am

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[revilo]

ist yeah good article

[lonley bassist]

nice

[guywithshoes]

axls a ****ing idiot

[0josh0]

prety good, but a little confusing man

[YarlA]

Uhh, i love the old Guns n Roses. No doubt that AFD is one of the best records eva made.
And i reeeeaally hope Axl would grove up. But im confident that the Pink-FLoyd-reunion thing will happen to them sumtime. But it'll take time, i know that.

''Motley Crue's bassist Nikki Sixx''
Was Nikki mötley's bassist?

[TheI7ark]

You left gigantic gaps in the history especially at the begining.

[Inahrima]

6th okay article (axle = drunken ass)

[Angus Malmsteen]

revilo, we dont care if your first

[Angus Malmsteen]

but VERY nice article

[Encore_God]

Hmm. Lots of spelling mistakes, a fair amount of opinion, but fairly well written. 6.

[istandalone]

decent article ive read better though, but good job

[info2new]

thanks you guys for the comments . I Hate axl more than ever more because (firstly I'm a big Slash fan) I can't beleive Slash was replaced by Robin Finck, I can't say that he can't play Slash's Riffs (anyone can) but can he invent them? that's the question.... Slash Rocks.!!..

[abigape]

Hasnt this already been done ???

[slashlover]

very nice article but it was paul huge who played sympathy for the devil, to be a smartAss

[undeaded]

oh oh I fear mob culture coming where everyone bar 2 or 3 people will call AXL a git, and the others just say 'no ur wrong *****'
Quite

[BLACKRAVEN]

abigape wrote:

Hasnt this already been done ???

yeah i wrote the last 1 but there seems to be another 1 of these every month, this is a good article but a few bits missing, keep writing though man i know it's a pain in the ass to put a whole history togeather.
(word of advice don't try and write about ozzy, its hard to write the life of a guy who doesn't know where he was yesterday)

peace out
RAVEN

[MoshMaster101]

YarlA wrote:
''Motley Crue's bassist Nikki Sixx''
Was Nikki mötley's bassist?

Yes. Yes he was.

[rockontilludie]

nice niceeeee.

[liam177lewis]

nice. bit wierdly written, but none the less cool.

[dimebag7]

alot of mistakes in the spelling, and whats with the itialin plce quote i dont get?

[Kaadsj]

blackraven's right, I recognized it at the "dancing with mr.brownstone" part.

[Kaadsj]

blackraven's right. I recognized it at the "dancing with mr.brownstone" part.

[Kaadsj]

sorry for the double-posting.

[nehpets5555]

GOOD,

[Hong Siah]

cool..didnt know that axl was such a d*ck until now..

[jamstation]

hopefully you won't say that a Gunner name was spelled wrong lol. Let's Introduce the Original Guns n Roses members for the last time, shall we?

# Vocals: William Bailey (W. Axl Rose)
# Guitars: Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash)
# Bass Guitar: Michael McKagan (Duff McKagan)
# Rhythm Guitar: Jeff Isabelle (Izzy Strandlin)
# Drums: Steven Adler

Sorry "info2new", but that's Izzy Stradlin, not Izzy Strandlin!!

spelling and grammar could have been better, but overall... Out of all the articles on UG, this is one.

not too bad

[DJ_Inferno2000]

BORING!!!!!
sorry but i just found it boring

[Witch-king]

Spelling and grammar was poor. You should really read through the artical once you've written it. Some of it was hard to follow, especially the second last paragraph.

But overall it was a good summary of the band. All the main facts were presented.

7/10

[nakki]

that was great.

[Abnormal_Omish]

guns were classic, what the hell is happening with them now???(the current band not the old members)

[Abnormal_Omish]

and i think he got alot of the information off the behind the music documentry on g n'r

[SinnaSatan]

Hmm.. Does this seem familiar? http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/the_history_of/guns_n_roses_in_full.html -- The article here by info2new is an almost WORD FOR WORD copy! ripoff.. Except that this one (info2new's) has worse language and spelling... f*cking ripoff..

[Abnormal_Omish]

hehe

[Mrs.Homme_Cool]

Good article. What else is there to say?

[ffaf_kick_ass]

pretty good article.. missed a few details but sill fairly good. adler was a weak person when evryone else was tryin to clean up there act and he cudnt get out the gutter. sorum was the best drummer for guns.

[wollie]

ok

[RR5]

kick ass article man and who cares abt spellin if u were doin an asrticle like tht wud u?

[PunxRckr]

How did Slash get his nickname?

[METSOAD]

You forgot the fact the Zakk Wylde spent 3 Days in the band and quit for the same reasons that Slash did. Cool Article though.

[Spanky Lynch]

it was a good enough article for me to take my mind off the horrible spelling mistakes and shit, u no ur stuff 8/10

[sum_english_guy]

AXL SUCKS MONKEY NUTS

[Diceman42]

Parts of this seem as if taken from other bios/Behind the Music episodes on the band. The spelling/grammar mistakes show there is some original writing, but some phrases reek of VH1.

props for talkin 'bout GnR tho.

RR5 wrote:

kick ass article man and who cares abt spellin if u were doin an asrticle like tht wud u?

Well, it's obvious why you dont care about spelling. When did you drop out? grade 9?

[Nirvana_rocks73]

'Welcome To The Jungle!'

Sorry..couldnt help that..Nice article. Slash is awesome.

[Born 2 Slash]

Nice article to read about. Good Job.

[jees 17]

nice artical man axl is fukhed slash is a champ they should make a new song don't have a cry (don't cry) and hav it bout axy ps i think velvot r sh!t ull neva get another gnr

[Lock'n'Load]

Sounds very like the Behind The Music story, did you type it while watching a video of it!! All-in-all a good article about a great band with a sadly immature lead singer. Who knows, if it wasn't for Axl's little tantrums we may still hear the likes of AFR, THE best album ever made! (Dude... what is the deal with Buckethead???!!)

[LightningMind]

G n' R tear it up! My favorite are the illusions set. Appetite has the best 'rock' to it, but to me the whole concept of the Illusion I&II outweighs Appetite for best album. Illusions lyrics are very deep, and intriguing.
Axles last name is Biley? That's hilarious. And Saul Hudson??? Wow. That like Manson being Brian Warner or whatever. '
----->G n' F'n R!!!!!

[kkamikazekidd]

I was at the first show of the Illusion world tour..brings back memories...We slept outside to get tix...Freakin great band back then...two words to the author: freakin' spellcheck

[rhodri_d]

good article, well done

[Rock TABer-><]

Knock, Knock
Whose there
Axl Rose
FUK OFF.

yes i stole that but its just so funny. there are sume big gaps left out but its a good art. over all. 8/10

[themovieaddict]

Terrible. Judged as an article this is a joke. It's biased (first law of "journalism," if that's what you want to call this - no bias) and completely erroneous in places. It's horribly written and features many grammatical errors which could have easily been fixed in less than a minute by taking the time to scan it through a simple Word processor.

It seems to me like some young, teenaged GN'R fan decided he was pissed off at Axl and thought he'd write a big rant about him and just turn it into an "article" on the band's history.

This is a really, really terrible article. I couldn't even follow it past the first few sentences - apart from the fact that you write like an illiterate third grader with crossed eyes, ADD and a brain tumor you also skip dates, mess up bands' names and general info, and then worst of all you bend facts to fit your agenda.

Why don't you just... well, you know, I'm not going to say it because it'd almost be too perfect to use here, given the context.

1/10.

[themovieaddict]

>> In the Early 80's Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash) started playing with Steven Adler, as for Izzy Strandlin in 1984, joins a band called London. Axl Rose, together with friend Tracii Guns, forms the band L.A. Guns. Izzy's band London will soon start playing with Slash in their band.

Have you ever taken an English course in your life? Good god, you're mixing present and past tense action verbs and everything. It's painful to read. I've read better stuff by my sister, and she'd in third grade.

>> In January 1985 Duff and his friend, Greg Gilmore, moved down to L.A. They started to answer ads and attending auditions together and somewhere down the line, Duff decided to start playing bass instead of guitar. When Duff answered an add one day, it led him to meet Slash and Steven Adler. Together they formed the band Road Crew. Whilst in this band, Slash came up with a riff that will soon be used in Paradise City.

Slash didn't invent that riff; it was taken from a Black Sabbath song. Also, where is Axl during all this? He moved to Hollywood to be with his friend, Izzy Stradlin. You don't even delve into this and start with Slash instead - making it sound as if Slash began the band. Axl began GN'R with Izzy. Slash was picked by Axl and Izzy.

>>In March 1985 Axl Rose and Tracii Guns took their surnames to form the band Guns N' Roses. They take Izzy on board as second guitarist to Tracii.

Wrong. Izzy was in the picture from the very beginning.

>>In June 6 1985 Duff uses his connections in Seattle to book gigs for the band. However, Tracii and Rob were not interested and so Duff asks...

"...were not interested and so Duff asks..."

Do you have ANY grasp of present/past tense?

>>Slash has problems with drugs and has to make a decision, drugs or the band. He chose the band.

Wrong. Slash didn't quit heroin until mid-to-late '90s. He still smokes pot. He was on drugs the entire time during GN'Rs' height of fame. That's why Axl called him out at one of the concerts and said "If one of the bandmembers doesn't stop dancing with Mr. Brownstone, this band is going to end," or something like that. Slash admitted he took drugs during all this, so you're wrong. Next, please.

>> ?We just sat there and recorded these acoustic tracks in one day and it made millions? - Slash.

What a surprise, another Slash quote. There's a definite bias here.

I'm not an "Axlite" but I enjoy reading BALANCED news.

>>During a gig in St. Louis Axl famously leapt from stage to tackle a fan with a camera. No sooner had Axl stormed off the stage than 80,000 people erupted into a huge riot.

THE ST. LOUIS STADIUM ONLY HELD 20,000 AND ONLY 17,000 PEOPLE WERE THERE!! What kind of ****ing idiot ARE you?

>>This caused massive damage to the arena and to the band?s reputation.

No shit. You don't need to explain everything to your readers.

>> They were all strung out and they all got lost, as for Axl he disappeared altogether.

Axl quit drugs and even stopped smoking. He went on a diet, began therapy and began an intense physical regime to get in shape. He handled all the band members' finances and the band as a whole while Slash and Duff were, by their own admission, "So drunk and high we could barely play." Duff passed out at a gig and Slash passed out once as well - when his manager tried to carry him off-stage, Slash supposedly pissed all over him.

>> "It really made me hate Axl more then ever because he never discussed it with me, I never really forgave him for that? - Slash.

Another Slash quote.

I like Slash...but all you're doing is talking about Slash. What about Duff? Matt? Steven? Izzy? Axl? Everything you discuss about these members links directly to Slash.

>>But Axl didn?t stop there he also issued the band with an ultimatum he wanted the full rights to the bands name, this was supposedly to keep the band going with him if this version didn?t survive. After their tour with the rolling stones The Band decided to enter the studio once again but this time to record a huge double album they called The Illusion project.

Good god you're jumping around.

>>In April 1990 Dizzy Reed joined the band as a keyboard player. But the old demons of drink and drugs were still hitting home with the band, in particular drummer Steven Adler. He couldn?t leave his drugs, he would lie to the band. They all managed to straighten theirselves out except Steven, he couldn?t even play, his depression got the best of him. So in July, Steven Adler was fired, The Band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out, Steven failed to clean up and so was fired.

And so, Steven was Fired, because the band, the band fired him, because, because he was lying, and because, though he wouldn't stop.

That's what it's like trying to read your bullshit. Learn to speak-a-dee-Englush before you write a goddamn article.

>>"When These differences were not settled and so Slash felt he could no longer play with the band. While Slash remained positive he could work with Rose, if they settled their dif

[DownDark]

how can you guys forget about Axl and Slash's performance at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert?

[danno89]

Well every 1 who sed what number they came in...we don care, nice article, like "themovieaddict" said, it was a lil poor on english but i dont really think that matters, it had good info and kept to the point, which a lot of these types of articles dont do, they tend to digress. I also think "themovieaddict" needs to get a life, last time i looked, most comments were shorter than the actual article.
Prety good on the hole, if in doubt, use backspin
Dan

[danno89]

Well, i think that every 1 who sed wat number they came in should think about this...we dont care.
A nice article although i sense that you dont like axl as you made him sound pretty bad, and im also geussing that you r a fan of slash. Like "themovieaddict" said the english was a lil poor, but i dont think that really matters, it stuck to the point and who really cares about the grammar.A lot of these articles tend to digress, but this 1 did not. "themovieaddict" should really get a life, as, last time i looked, comments were supposed to be shorter than the actual article, use backspin
Dan

[danno89]

SORRY
My comp f***ed up and i have now posted two versions of my comment making me look very stupid indeed. many apologies

[destroy_hiphop]

GNR sux

[destroy_hiphop]

they really do

[Diceman42]

ho-oh! themovieaddict just opened a can of whoop-ass on this article! ...fear, y'all!

[VRluke]

themovieaddict's got his facts right.. props to him for spendin time to correct the article

[info2new]

thanks for the comments of some of you, as for themovieaddict why don't just, FUCK OFF?? Fuck you, maybe I'm not English you son of a Bitch, why don't you come and talk to me face to face?? My Second Language is english, it's not my Primary!!!! FUCK YOU, as for all, thanks for the comments PEACE OUT

[PistolPeet]

hmmmm, sounds like you just watched the program on GnR on VH2 and put it up here word for word

[VRluke]

its not even about the grammar. U've got so many facts wrong, its a biased article and you are making ppl remember wrong things u know that.

Its a good effort to do, but next time check that you're totally correct before postin it up! i believe that is what themovieaddict wants to tell you too u doofus.

Face it and admit ur mistakes. It'll help.

[Shuviduwaax]

I think that this "history of..." wasn't organized...I'm saying that you have to be deeper in the importanat facts and only mention the general details...but good work anyway

[Shuviduwaax]

oh....DownDark is right man :P

[reckless_life]

its more accurate than the other feeble attempts at a "GNR History", but thats mainly because it's a collage of copy & pastes from other articles

[themovieaddict]

Info2new, if English isn't your first language, then maybe you shouldn't be writing a ****ing article. I've lived in numerous countries over the years and didn't even attempt to write an informative article in their language. Your attempts at learning English are commendable but the fact is, all you did was take a lot of quotes and info from the VH1 special and other articles that have been written on GN'R, then fill it up with your own useless bias, as well as incorrect facts.

I noticed you didn't acknowledge any of the mistakes you made in your post - you just tried to attack me for in turn attacking your grammar. Your grammar was not the only thing wrong with that article!

As for the person who said I need a life because my comment was longer than the article itself - what's the point of submitting many smaller useless comments like you do when intead I can put my effort in to one long comment?

In case you hadn't noticed, that's the first comment I've made pretty much since signing up here about a year ago. But I guess you wouldn't take the time to figure that out since you're too busy worrying about whether you can be the first person to post a comment on the next article.

[EasyRider]

Hey,themovieaddict, next time just write your own article.

[pgoose]

AXL RULES BITCHES

[themovieaddict]

Hey, EasyRider, maybe I will. At least I'd do basic research.

[Kotie]

Thanks, themovieaddict, nice to see you taking the time to type a well-thought out comment instead of saying, "THis artclez RULLZ! GNR is teh best eva!" or, "F@*# this article, u suxxorz." =)

Okay, about the article. Like a couple of people have indicated, there were many spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and huge gaps in the information. Too bias, too much jumping from one topic too another, all together just too confusing. I suggest reading through it once or twice, spell check, and maybe having a friend go through and see what he thinks.

Okay, positive stuff. I like how you pointed out most of the key points in Guns N'Roses history and covered some basic facts people may not have known about the band.

All in all, this isn't the greatest article I've ever read, but people have to remember not to expect the quality of a skilled journalist with years of experience under their belt. I've read much worse articles on UG than this, so don't feel bad about it.

Thank you for your article =)

[GNR_Duff_rules]

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[ikemc]

Axl is the fu*king man, i'm a slash fan to but i stick by axl. He calls its likes hes sees it.

[king dan]

alright... here it is... The Use Your Illusion Tour band was the best band Gn'R has ever had and ever will have. They're all kickarse , Axl's a prick but one of the greatest musical geniuses in the history of rock music. Slash kicks arse and i idolise him, but this article seems rather one sided (toward slash). But overall excellent article dude. I skipped some of the posts purely because their were too many, but i'd just like to put out there a little fact that most ppl know, but those who dont... well.. well! 'Axl Rose' is an anagram for Oral Sex.

Cheers for the kickarse article.

King Dan

[NikkiSixx440]

In the end of 1987 Guns n Roses made a tour with Motley Crue. During this tour Slash and Steven Adler save the life of Motley Crue's bassist Nikki Sixx who had overdosed on drugs.

hmmm, I dont remember reading anything in "The Dirt" about Slash or anybody helping save Nikki's life...unless putting ice down his pants counts...

[monterey_d]

GNR wont ever be the same again cus of axl

[boaderline]

the band that formed with the L.A guns was the
HollyWood roses thats how guns N roses was named

[thefinalcut]

themovieaddict, what Sabbath song did he get the riff from? I never heard about that before.

Almost every one of your points are right, BTW.

[YarlA]

In this article there is much anti-axl stuff. As in alot of msg's here.
Axl was an lil' ass, but so was every1 in gn'r(maybe exept Izzy). They had to be cocky as hell, part of theur job.
N Axl mostly ran the whole band. HE HAD THE RIGHT TO BOsS THEM AROUND.

Themovieaddict. Plz go read Alexi Laihos interwiev about internet badass's n' hope ur not one.
YarLA out.

[giter'man]

dude u dont know nething bout gnr u most likly stole this story from another site u fag!

[ddiggler]

Oh who gives a shit if he ripped it from another site,
it was informative for me, thats all that matters. i dont care who the source is. Its not like its nobel prize material.

[ddiggler]

forgot to add, AXL used to be so beautiful. (not in a faggy way by the way). What the hell happened with him. I have give Axl cr where its due though, he really was definately the star of the band at their peak.

[MattyPretends]

This "article" is uninformed at best. Why was this even posted on the site?? Lordy, get your facts straight! TheMovieAddict at least knows what he's talking about...

[DownDark]

Axl Rose even said at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert "Queen were proof that Rock was art".

...Slash said some stuff but I forget...

[fox69]

mm i gess its ok... but it was a lil jumpy. if this wasnt the dudes 1st language, congrats cuz it aint easy. a 7 in my opinion

[queenvalerie]

I will never get the three minutes of my life back that I wasted reading this messed up article. You really shouldn't rip off other people's stuff. I'm sorry that this is a mean comment but seeing as how it'd written in english, you probally won't understand it anyways. Kudos to themovieaddict for "editing" this.

[G-Sage]

so slash had a drug problem, and axl stiired conflicts in and out of the group. Guns n Roses was a great band when they were just that, they tried replacin members and it failed just like many bands; shit happens in rock n roll

[G-Sage]

good article by the way, but left out many key factors and wouldve been better with info on other members.

they were all important to the band, even axl

[osamabanana]

u left out how they went from not being able to get a gig with more than 13 people to when geffen signed them

[druz15_UG]

PunxRckr wrote:

How did Slash get his nickname?

Slash was named by one of his Dad's famous friends (His father knew and worked with many rock celebrities including Iggy Pop). the guy noticed that Slash (then Saul) was always zipping around, running fast etc and so he named him Slash.

Good job themovieaddict for making this really craply written article a decent one. Maybe the UG editors should delete this one and you can write a real one!!!

[Goin' Mobile]

This article seemed like just a compilation of other articles.

[SethMegadefan]

Why didn't you just label the article "Slash is the Only GnR Member that Matters"? Of course that's completely false, but that's how you made it sound. Slash this, Slash that.
And your dislike for Axl was pretty painfully evident. I personally like Axl, but if you have an opinion, that's fine. I'd just like to hear more facts on every band member, not just Slash. 5; nothing I haven't read before, an adequate article, but your Slash-is-god-over-all attitude was annoying.

pommegrenade wrote:
weeeeeooooo....

Spam. warning.

[eviledge87]

Slash is God and the reason I play guitar, but this is the third different story I've heard of Guns N" Roses formation, it seems pretty accurate though.

[jimixmarshall]

AXL ROSE is a good singer but he is also bigheaded...
SLASH is one hell of a guitar god...
look at Velvet Revolver theve got success while Guns N' Roses well they havent beed doin anything at all..

and we have to admmit the guys right losing SLASH is the biggest mistake G N`R (AXL ROSE)has ever made

yes NIKKY SIXX is Motley Crue's bassist and still is...

and for the "themovieaddict" why dont you make your own article since you have your own version...
some bits of the article is right... and some bits are wrong... seems like you know the story why dont you tell us all about it...

ermm... heres a fact Duff McKagan lost his virginity at 14 and never used a condom till he was 17 or something and he stole loadsa cars too... why ? "coz he was good at it" and hes a big SEXPISTOLS fan

Matt Sorum learned most of the G N' R songs in a week and that is wat i call skill

[Jbetter_thanu]

i luuvv g n' r!! i dont know much about them but, slash is a f*ckin GOD! and axl is alright but i didnt know he was so conceited and stupid. the original
g n' r gruop pwns arse! seems like movieaddict got sit right from what other comments say so ty for ur corrections, as for the original article SUX BALLS!!

[Yassine]

movieaddict are u like a school teacher or something?! at least people understood his article impressive for some1 whos first language isnt english!

[peterocker]

yeah **** of movieaddikt, thats not nice of you, info2new, i didnt sww any article with no spelling mistakes and i think you 'd better thank this dude who wrote this, its a nice article that wat it counts

[xxxanarchlxix]

lmao who cares if this is a rip off of nething at least we can all read it now and "themovieaddict u gotta chill the fack out man,
SLASH IS GOD.....PEACE OUT

[info2new]

SethMegadefan :
Why didn't you just label the article "Slash is the Only GnR Member that Matters"? Of course that's completely false, but that's how you made it sound. Slash this, Slash that.
And your dislike for Axl was pretty painfully evident. I personally like Axl, but if you have an opinion, that's fine. I'd just like to hear more facts on every band member, not just Slash. 5; nothing I haven't read before, an adequate article, but your Slash-is-god-over-all attitude was annoying.

Look at it this way... you want to comment, bullsh*t this bullsh*t that and bullsh*t is what matters to you most, & only... You could of mentioned some points not just, bullsh*t, you want to bullsh*t around, well hear this, go away and leave me be, i'm allergi to bullsh*t, so be there bullsh*t....an adequate comment, but your i'm-bullsh*t-over-all attitude was annoying. ;

[acefrehley]

ok, this was pretty much, slash, rules screw the rest of g-n-r. it was jumpy, what about hollywood rose??? yeah, people, good article, if you like slash, which i do, but im sick of g-n-r only bein remembered 4 slash

[slash-no1-]

This article ROCKED!!!! wow!

[@ir_pele]

Wow. . .man!! I am a big Slash fan too but...

[crazyguitarkid1]

personally i hate axl with a passion...in my opinion he ruinned the best band the world has ever seen...and anyone can play slash's riffs but can anyone put his kind of passion and feel into the riffs and solos?...honestly i don't think so...and slash is THE god of guitar...no one else can even compete with him...screw van halen and angus young and to hell with hendrix and srv i mean they're good and a love thier music but slash just destroys them with one hand...if it wasn't for axl being a punk then we would have even more guns to rock to!!!
in a nutshell...screw axl worship slash!!

[crazyguitarkid1]

[quote]themovieaddict wrote:

>> In the Early 80's Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash) started playing with Steven Adler, as for Izzy Strandlin in 1984, joins a band called London. Axl Rose, together with friend Tracii Guns, forms the band L.A. Guns. Izzy's band London will soon start playing with Slash in their band.

Have you ever taken an English course in your life? Good god, you're mixing present and past tense action verbs and everything. It's painful to read. I've read better stuff by my sister, and she'd in third grade.

>> In January 1985 Duff and his friend, Greg Gilmore, moved down to L.A. They started to answer ads and attending auditions together and somewhere down the line, Duff decided to start playing bass instead of guitar. When Duff answered an add one day, it led him to meet Slash and Steven Adler. Together they formed the band Road Crew. Whilst in this band, Slash came up with a riff that will soon be used in Paradise City.

Slash didn't invent that riff; it was taken from a Black Sabbath song. Also, where is Axl during all this? He moved to Hollywood to be with his friend, Izzy Stradlin. You don't even delve into this and start with Slash instead - making it sound as if Slash began the band. Axl began GN'R with Izzy. Slash was picked by Axl and Izzy. btw paridise city was made in a bus on the way to a concert and slash had different lyrics to it...in stead of grass is green...it was where the girls are fat and they got big titties...and it was forst made on acousics...

>>In March 1985 Axl Rose and Tracii Guns took their surnames to form the band Guns N' Roses. They take Izzy on board as second guitarist to Tracii.

Wrong. Izzy was in the picture from the very beginning.

>>In June 6 1985 Duff uses his connections in Seattle to book gigs for the band. However, Tracii and Rob were not interested and so Duff asks...

"...were not interested and so Duff asks..."

Do you have ANY grasp of present/past tense?

>>Slash has problems with drugs and has to make a decision, drugs or the band. He chose the band.

Wrong. Slash didn't quit heroin until mid-to-late '90s. He still smokes pot. He was on drugs the entire time during GN'Rs' height of fame. That's why Axl called him out at one of the concerts and said "If one of the bandmembers doesn't stop dancing with Mr. Brownstone, this band is going to end," or something like that. Slash admitted he took drugs during all this, so you're wrong. Next, please.

>> ?We just sat there and recorded these acoustic tracks in one day and it made millions? - Slash.

What a surprise, another Slash quote. There's a definite bias here.

I'm not an "Axlite" but I enjoy reading BALANCED news.

>>During a gig in St. Louis Axl famously leapt from stage to tackle a fan with a camera. No sooner had Axl stormed off the stage than 80,000 people erupted into a huge riot.

THE ST. LOUIS STADIUM ONLY HELD 20,000 AND ONLY 17,000 PEOPLE WERE THERE!! What kind of ****ing idiot ARE you?

>>This caused massive damage to the arena and to the band?s reputation.

No shit. You don't need to explain everything to your readers.

>> They were all strung out and they all got lost, as for Axl he disappeared altogether.

Axl quit drugs and even stopped smoking. He went on a diet, began therapy and began an intense physical regime to get in shape. He handled all the band members' finances and the band as a whole while Slash and Duff were, by their own admission, "So drunk and high we could barely play." Duff passed out at a gig and Slash passed out once as well - when his manager tried to carry him off-stage, Slash supposedly pissed all over him.

>> "It really made me hate Axl more then ever because he never discussed it with me, I never really forgave him for that? - Slash.

Another Slash quote.

I like Slash...but all you're doing is talking about Slash. What about Duff? Matt? Steven? Izzy? Axl? Everything you discuss about these members links directly to Slash.

>>But Axl didn?t stop there he also issued the band with an ultimatum he wanted the full rights to the bands name, this was supposedly to keep the band going with him if this version didn?t survive. After their tour with the rolling stones The Band decided to enter the studio once again but this time to record a huge double album they called The Illusion project.

Good god you're jumping around.

>>In April 1990 Dizzy Reed joined the band as a keyboard player. But the old demons of drink and drugs were still hitting home with the band, in particular drummer Steven Adler. He couldn?t leave his drugs, he would lie to the band. They all managed to straighten theirselves out except Steven, he couldn?t even play, his depression got the best of him. So in July, Steven Adler was fired, The Band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out, Steven failed to clean up and so was fired.

And so, Steven was Fired, because the band, the band fired him, because, because he was lying, and because, though he wouldn't stop.

That's what it's like trying to read y