** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[SnowballofDoom]

What is all you shredders favorite techniques and why?

Vibrato, just because.

[Resiliance]

^Ofcourse.

[Mad Adam]

ok i'm very new to the whole shredding thing but very eager to learn. i've been practicing yngwie's arpeggios from hell and to be honest i dont find it too difficult. by no means i'm saying that i can nail the song but more like i think i'll be able to play it in a few weeks time.

however there a few things i need to ask from more senior shredders, am i supposed to pick all the notes cos i'm more comfortable hammering on and pulling off?

and what exactly is sweep picking?

thanks for your help people

[perpetual shred]

you dont have to but to get it to sound like yngwie you'll have to pick almost everything. the way i see it is that when you can do everything with picking you be improving in many departments like picking and co-ordination rather than just keeping your legato up to scratch. good look tackling the whole thing!!

edit: sweep picking is where you pick a lick with all downstrokes or upstrpkes or combine the two. check out my sweep picking thing in the shred forum called arpeggios from heaven

[NevermorePsalm]

Sweet. Tell me when the product is finished. :)

Will do :p: , don't expect it for a while though, I'm going through a lackage of time

[Mad Adam]

you dont have to but to get it to sound like yngwie you'll have to pick almost everything. the way i see it is that when you can do everything with picking you be improving in many departments like picking and co-ordination rather than just keeping your legato up to scratch. good look tackling the whole thing!!

edit: sweep picking is where you pick a lick with all downstrokes or upstrpkes or combine the two. check out my sweep picking thing in the shred forum called arpeggios from heaven

cool thanks man :)

[Stratwizard]

What is all you shredders favorite techniques and why?

Alternate picking.

[perpetual shred]

wide vibrato

[Stratwizard]

Do you consider vibrato as technique?

[perpetual shred]

id consider it one of the hardest to master.
do you not consider it a technique? it can make you sound amazing or ****

[Stratwizard]

Well, I'm not quite sure. Of course it can make you sound like ****, but a bad ampilifier can do that too.

[perpetual shred]

i suppose, but i rate vibrato very highly.

[Stratwizard]

^Me too. Of course! :p:

[pavan]

i like emotion

[perpetual shred]

as a technique?

[pavan]

um... yes

[Stratwizard]

i like emotion

You're lame. Shred has no emotion.

[Freepower]

^ woah, dude. Technique IS an emotion. Duh. When i hear Rusty Cooley sweep, its like a world of notes decided to make me their special friend!

[Resiliance]

I have a different set of notes on my guitar.

[Freepower]

^ its not which notes. Its HOW FAST.


Speaking of which, how goes finding a picture of your acoustic pieca crap which in no way compares to my "Inch action nylon-strung" model "Framus"?

[Resiliance]

I'm not finding one. :p:

And it was good.

Goddamnit.

[Stratwizard]

^ woah, dude. Technique IS an emotion. Duh. When i hear Rusty Cooley sweep, its like a world of notes decided to make me their special friend!

No, blues is emotion. And the bends. And the bends are not technique.

[Matt_Malmsteen]

^ woah, dude. Technique IS an emotion. Duh. When i hear Rusty Cooley sweep, its like a world of notes decided to make me their special friend!

Speed=emotion.

Erm fav shred technique *thinks*...I'll agree with vibrato, that seperates alot of good players from alot of great players, as well as looking uber sexy and other things.

[Resiliance]

Dude, volume = emotion.

Speed is just what goes on top.

[TheI7ark]

Dude, volume = emotion.

Speed is just what goes on top.

Thats a lie... I thought emotion was how high your gain was? and it's accented by how much you scoop your mids. No mids = BEST EVER :rolleyes:

[Resiliance]

My mids go to -11.

[TheI7ark]

My mids go to -11.
:down: I bow before the mighty king of emotional playing. You must be even more emotional than MAB :eek:

[Resiliance]

I rate 15 on the scale of Fareri.

[TheI7ark]

I rate 15 on the scale of Fareri.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Mindgasmic...

[Scorzerci]

:eek:

[TheI7ark]

I'm only a 12 on the fareri scale... (12 times faster/less emotional than Fareri.) :(

[Freepower]

My current EQ settings are Treble 11, Mids 0 and Lows 11. With the presence set to "shrill" and my pickup selector on the bridge pickup.

Now, for 3 years of practice to match fareri's vibrato!

[PooKoo]

I can do it!

[NevermorePsalm]

I scoop my mids.... My amp just suck so bad that's the best tone I get out of it....

Im a failure

[perpetual shred]

my amp sounds **** whatever settings i use when the volumes low but when i crank it up... it ****in roars. i'll record some tommorow at loud volumes coz i'm at my band practise so youll get to hear my band.(prog/power metal awesomeness)

[SGRocker0791]

lol I scoop my mids too.

[TheI7ark]

Scooping your mids its akin to scratching your ass and then sniffing your finger. It's just not something that you should do...

[PooKoo]

lol wait, what exactly constitutes scooping your mids?

[pavan]

No, blues is emotion. And the bends. And the bends are not technique.


but you need to have suffered to be able to play the blues

[SnowballofDoom]

I have a question for all you ear-training meisters out there:

I've been trying to get a better musical ear, and have made an interesting discovery, but since I have no real musician friends, I have no one to check this with. Anyway, I've found that I can hum a song I know, and start it in the right place. That way, in order to hum, say a C, I just think of a song I know that starts on a C, and 9 times out of 10, it's accurate.

Hearing a tone and deciphering what note it is is a bit trickier, but I use the same method, and it usually works.

What's this called? Can everyone do this? It's like perfect pitch for dummies :p: I'd love to be able to eliminate that extra step, but it's not happening just yet.

Anyways, is there anyone else that can do this, or knows what to call it?

[Resiliance]

^Just relative pitch.


You can't learn perfect pitch, you can just get really really good relative pitch :p:

[perpetual shred]

I have a question for all you ear-training meisters out there:

I've been trying to get a better musical ear, and have made an interesting discovery, but since I have no real musician friends, I have no one to check this with. Anyway, I've found that I can hum a song I know, and start it in the right place. That way, in order to hum, say a C, I just think of a song I know that starts on a C, and 9 times out of 10, it's accurate.

Hearing a tone and deciphering what note it is is a bit trickier, but I use the same method, and it usually works.

What's this called? Can everyone do this? It's like perfect pitch for dummies :p: I'd love to be able to eliminate that extra step, but it's not happening just yet.

Anyways, is there anyone else that can do this, or knows what to call it?

this is exactly what i do!!! :) i agree hearing a tone a finding what note it is, is a lot harder i can't do it that as well because i just tend to hum the song im thinking in the same key as the note ive heard.

[SnowballofDoom]

^Just relative pitch.


You can't learn perfect pitch, you can just get really really good relative pitch :p:

I always thought relative was hearing intervals.

Oh...unison...interval. Gotcha ;)

Thanks

[Mad Adam]

hello people. i'm new to the whole shredding so could you please recommend me some songs where i could practice some serious sweep picking? thanks dudes

[perpetual shred]

start with 3 string arppeggios (thats what i did) demon driver interlude by malmsteen.

[Mad Adam]

thanks dude

[~1954~]

^go to the section of Malmsteen tabs on this site and find one of those 'Malmsteen example licks' tabs, that should give you a good range of shred licks to work on.

[Stratwizard]

hello people. i'm new to the whole shredding so could you please recommend me some songs where i could practice some serious sweep picking? thanks dudes

Serrana.

[Scorzerci]

^:cheers: or altitudes

[pavan]

where can I getta good backing tracks?

[Stratwizard]

http://www.guitarbt.com

You gotta register first, though.

[PooKoo]

ok quick question, can someone breifly explain to me what a sonata is? i tried looking it up and i got really confused, so make it simple.

[paddyo]

"A composition for one or more solo instruments, one of which is usually a keyboard instrument, usually consisting of three or four independent movements varying in key, mood, and tempo."
Thats the best,clearest definition I could find as I would surely confuse you more!:p:..

EDIT: Even though a Sonata CAN be played with just one instument(most likely Piano).:)

[PooKoo]

alright thanks man, so basically a peice for one or a couple instruments with a couple different themes. I guess, something alone those lines.

[paddyo]

Yep:D Take the Moonlight sonata by Beethoven...thats a perfect example with the harmonies in it...

[PooKoo]

alright yeah, i never really payed attention to it before i guess. Lawlz.

[Godly Moose]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1174/buckete1ei.jpg

Is it me, or are Buckethead's fingers grotesquely long?
*Edited picture for obvious reasons*

[Erc]

yea I think hes wearing his gloves or something during that picture...or I'd hope 0_o

[Stratwizard]

Yes, they're gloves.

Why did you edit the pic? :confused:

[SGRocker0791]

Yes, they're gloves.

Why did you edit the pic? :confused:

Same thoughts. :confused: I must say, the fake and long fingers gave me the chills.

[apocalypse13]

Because he's an idiot

/end of thread


who cares.



Where is the love people? Come on....

;)

:D

[shredfan]

^OMG, he's back! Best prepare for spam, people. :p:

[apocalypse13]

That's why I got banned.

Surprise, surprise...


:p:


meh, I'm off to watch a movie because we gotta take it back today.


I'll be back...

*dramatic music*

[perpetual shred]

yur back. what did you get banned for?. welcome back!!!!

[Scorzerci]

WILKOMMEN ZURÜCK! welcome back

[TheUltimateSin]

OMG APOC IS BACKZORZ!!1!one!!

It's too bad you missed the A7xownz experience. It made UG history.

Same thoughts. :confused: I must say, the fake and long fingers gave me the chills.

My first thought when I saw that picture for the first time was something like "WHAT THE F*CK?!?!". In fact, I believe those were the exact words to leave my mouth, and with that emphasis. Then I learned that he was wearing his gloves(when I later found out he wore gloves and re-examined the picture). It still chills my spine to look at that photo though. I'm not entirely sure why...

[apocalypse13]

Oh, I didn't miss it.

;)

[TheUltimateSin]

I meant like being able to chime in your part of the fun ;)

[apocalypse13]

Eh, we had a blast on SU through the whole thing. They were pwning him here and we were laghing our asses off over there.

[TheUltimateSin]

Well, at least you witnessed the awesomeness then.

[apocalypse13]

yup, and for anyone who wants to know why I was banned, here:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322636&highlight=rofl+techno

They were edited, but we were just mindlessly spamming. I did deserve it, but the only think that irked me was that my warning was over in 2 days...

[TheUltimateSin]

:haha ^

[NevermorePsalm]

^^ great stuff...Guthrie Govan sucks...I hate slap and pops, especially on guitar.

[apocalypse13]

Eh, I like him, though I think he's hopelessly underrated.

[PooKoo]

Dude i missed you.

[apocalypse13]

;)

*wipes away tear*

[Godly Moose]

Yes, they're gloves.

Why did you edit the pic? :confused:

Must keep his idenity a secret. :) Even though it's relatively easy to find this pic. His fingers even without gloves though are freakin long.

[Axegrinder#9]

welcome back apoc...

[apocalypse13]

:D

:cheers:

[canadianshred]

Apoc :D glad you were still able to see the A7x stuff

[SGRocker0791]

You have missed TOO much. A7Xownz become a mod, being demodded, banned, etc.

[apocalypse13]

Read my sig.

I didn't miss it. We (Me, Resi, Snow, Beckerism) were all sitting on SU eating cheetos and shatting ourselves while this whole roast was going on.

[canadianshred]

link to Shred united???

[Godly Moose]

=o Apoc is back. Welcome back.

[apocalypse13]

*bows*

[TheUltimateSin]

Apoc, you are truely of high nobility amoung the mere peasants of this forum.

[SnowballofDoom]

Peasants eh? :mad:

[Freepower]

Welcome back, apoc. May the gods of shred smile on you, may your fingers leap like Lane and your vibrato vibrate like Fareris.

[Resiliance]

Or Gilbert's. :(

[Stratwizard]

Or mine! :haha

[pavan]

welcome back, fellow cosmo kramer fan


This John Scofield guy has some cool phrasing.

[paddyo]

Congrats on the return Apoc.....yay!! I played my cover of Far Beyond the Sun last night at talent show,it was my first performance for a crowd.. Since then,everyone has been like "whoooaa you never said anything about it before(me playing guitar...well)" and everyone keeps coming up to me and praising me and stuff like that,including teachers!:p: Just proves how shred still doesn't fail to impress the non-shred folk and those who are into rock...And the thing was I made a good few mistakes(due to some nerves and exitement) and noone noticed!
[/first and last boasting I will ever mention]

[TheUltimateSin]

Peasants eh? :mad:


I didn't mean the regs like you :p:

[ShredDemon]

Congrats on the return Apoc.....yay!! I played my cover of Far Beyond the Sun last night at talent show,it was my first performance for a crowd.. Since then,everyone has been like "whoooaa you never said anything about it before(me playing guitar...well)" and everyone keeps coming up to me and praising me and stuff like that,including teachers!:p: Just proves how shred still doesn't fail to impress the non-shred folk and those who are into rock...And the thing was I made a good few mistakes(due to some nerves and exitement) and noone noticed!
[/first and last boasting I will ever mention]

Good job! Dont forget if you can play FBTS perfectly with a backing track that will resurrect/Summon Yngwie !

[Master Of Shred]

oh yay my thread has got over 40.000 views

[apocalypse13]

Apoc, you are truely of high nobility amoung the mere peasants of this forum.
glad to know I'm loved... :heart: :kiss:

[Resiliance]

Stop sucking eachothers (and your own MOS) cocks damnit.

Start fighting, so I'll learn something. This is boring.

:peace:

[apocalypse13]

mmmmmk, about what?

[Resiliance]

Eeeeeeeehm... Marty Friedman sucks!

[apocalypse13]

Of course he sucks....




























The souls out of any other lead metal guitarists... :o

[Master Of Shred]

yeah duh but that ain't too hard

[Stratwizard]

**** you all you worthless cocksuckers!!!



Okay, that was pathetic... :p:

[apocalypse13]

Yeah it's hard to purposefully start an argument.

[Stratwizard]

Yeah, cause all I want is peace.

Peace?

[Freepower]

Lead IS a metal, duh. :p:

Okay, arguments, arguments...

Alright, what do you think is the single hardest fundamental? Not necessarily to master, but just to do loosely and well.

Having trouble getting the perfect pull off myself, atm. Difficult ****.

[Erc]

Perfect pull-offs are difficult...or at least for me.

[apocalypse13]

Strict downstrokes.

I accidentally hit an upstroke sometimes and make a triplet on accident...

[SlashHammett]

kirk hammet = fastest shredder alive


hehe u bastards better start flaming

[apocalypse13]

OmGZOzR!!!

Ur 50 |iek ritE!!! TEH SolO 2 1 is Liek teh fastst sol ever!!

[public property]

Perfect pull offs, they are harder for me on the high e I think, I always have this wierd sort of buzz added in with them.

[apocalypse13]

I hate pulling off on the high e sometimes because I pull the string off the side occasionally.

[perpetual shred]

to get my pull offs up to scratch i just did like slow trills with different finger combinations ect. it seems to work for me

[TheUltimateSin]

The guitarist from Simple Plan is teh pwn over Vai. He is way more technical in every way.

[Axegrinder#9]

hey guys listen two these separate recordings with my band, the quality ain't great, but you guys will probably like it - check it out and leave a crit.

NOTE: the guitar sound is pretty clean I felt ;)

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338481

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338486

[Erc]

I liked the white lightning jam

[Stratwizard]

Lead IS a metal, duh. :p:

Okay, arguments, arguments...

Alright, what do you think is the single hardest fundamental? Not necessarily to master, but just to do loosely and well.

Having trouble getting the perfect pull off myself, atm. Difficult ****.

Yeah, a perfect pull off is sometimes a bitch. Inside picking can be tricky too.

[Resiliance]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

I loves me some inside pickin'.

[PooKoo]

whats inside pickin?

[Scorzerci]

if the ---- is a string and ^ is a downstroke and \/ is a downstroke (it also shows wher e the pick would be (between or not between)
Inside
-----------------
^ \/ ^ \/
-----------------

Outisde
\/ adsf \/
-------------------
-------------------
asdfa^ adsf ^
basicaly when your're inside picking your picking from the inside of the strings and when you're outside picking your picking from the outside of the string to the outside of the other string.

[apocalypse13]

Yeah, and it's hard to do at high speeds.

[Stratwizard]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

I loves me some inside pickin'.

Me too. Sometimes it's tricky though.

[apocalypse13]

Hey I just got a cool idea. Basically, it's to collaborate with each other to make songs, but not recordings, just tabs. There's already a thread for recording collaborations, as you all probably know, but I requested in the Site Suggestions forum to do it in Tabs and Chords with an official thread. But, we could still just do it here in this thread, eh? I think it'd be a good idea. One of us would post a GP or PT of a song we wrote, and then others can freely add to it and post the new versions. Or maybe one person write a rhythm, and someone else write a solo. It'd be good songwriting practice, and I think it'd be fun.

Anyone up to it?

[PooKoo]

im in.

[mort1]

sounds like a good idea...................

[Freepower]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

I loves me some inside pickin'.

No seriously, i DO remember you making fun of my love of inside picking.

Dammit, i DO.


Or am i just a touchy man-girl who takes everything offensively regarding my **** technique?

[PooKoo]

id love to work on recordings with any of you dudes too, just chill little chord progressions and jams over em, especially with fp.

[Freepower]

^ that'd be cool, but i dont have the time now, sadly. And im uber ashamed of my tone and my playing...urgh.

Especially atm. Cant come up with a decent melody to save me life. :(

[PooKoo]

ah come on, just jam on something for all i care.

[Resiliance]

No seriously, i DO remember you making fun of my love of inside picking.

Dammit, i DO.


Or am i just a touchy man-girl who takes everything offensively regarding my **** technique?

Honestly, I've always preferred inside!

[Harmonius]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338873

^ I thought that was the shred forum. You guys could probably give better answers there than anyone else

[SnowballofDoom]

Why is everyone saying Petrucci like it's a popular fact? Buckethead's faster, and a great deal of the time, more original.

[PooKoo]

i cant even decide.

But I've got a quick question, and i dont think everyone will appreciate me makin a thread on it,
I kinda missed the big classical wave a couple months ago, so can someone reccomend me some excellent classical artists/composers? Obscure or big ones, but please give specific songs.
Im looking for stuff without singing, opera, voices, any of that, backgrounds fine but im not into it, and id prefer it as one or a couple instruments. Symphonies or whatever are fine, but I'm more into just solo stuff.

Im basically a classical noob, i only know what ive learned on guitar, so I'd appreciate it mang.

[chase09]

Can someone tell me of some acoustic virtuosos other than Al Di Meola?

[Resiliance]

^Ehm, lots of (gypsy) jazz players like Bireli Lagrene, Jimmy and Stochelo Rosenberg, Django ofcourse, Christian Escude, Samson Schmitt, Sylvain Luc, Angelo Debarre, Robin Nolan, Gabor Szabo, John Mclaughlin, Ralph Towner, Antonio Forcione, and the list goes on endlessly...

[PooKoo]

damnit now everyone will ignore my post.

[apocalypse13]

i cant even decide.

But I've got a quick question, and i dont think everyone will appreciate me makin a thread on it,
I kinda missed the big classical wave a couple months ago, so can someone reccomend me some excellent classical artists/composers? Obscure or big ones, but please give specific songs.
Im looking for stuff without singing, opera, voices, any of that, backgrounds fine but im not into it, and id prefer it as one or a couple instruments. Symphonies or whatever are fine, but I'm more into just solo stuff.

Im basically a classical noob, i only know what ive learned on guitar, so I'd appreciate it mang.
there you go. ;)

[PooKoo]

thats why your my favorite
:cheers:

[apocalypse13]

:cheers:

[chase09]

^Ehm, lots of (gypsy) jazz players like Bireli Lagrene, Jimmy and Stochelo Rosenberg, Django ofcourse, Christian Escude, Samson Schmitt, Sylvain Luc, Angelo Debarre, Robin Nolan, Gabor Szabo, John Mclaughlin, Ralph Towner, Antonio Forcione, and the list goes on endlessly...

Thanks.

damnit now everyone will ignore my post.

And sorry. :p:

[TheUltimateSin]

So I'm trying to teach myself how to do pinch harmonics, and I've looked at a few sites and read the techniques they explain. I was wondering though, since the majority of you are incredibly good players and you know your shit, if any of you had any techniques you use or know of that might help me out.

[SnowballofDoom]

^Ehm, lots of (gypsy) jazz players like Bireli Lagrene, Jimmy and Stochelo Rosenberg, Django ofcourse, Christian Escude, Samson Schmitt, Sylvain Luc, Angelo Debarre, Robin Nolan, Gabor Szabo, John Mclaughlin, Ralph Towner, Antonio Forcione, and the list goes on endlessly...

Can't forget Justin King.

;)

[apocalypse13]

So I'm trying to teach myself how to do pinch harmonics, and I've looked at a few sites and read the techniques they explain. I was wondering though, since the majority of you are incredibly good players and you know your shit, if any of you had any techniques you use or know of that might help me out.
If I get ahold of my sis's digital camera, I'll make a video.

But, basically, the way I do it is this:
-hold the pick to where it's level with the bottom of your thumb.
-Pick in such a way that it strikes the pick first, then your thumb.
-By itself it sounds meh, but add some heavy vibrato to make it "scream."

Once you get the hang of it, try to do it without moving your pick, instead angling your pickstroke to hit it correctly. Because that's how you'll need to do it when playing fast.

[TheUltimateSin]

If I get ahold of my sis's digital camera, I'll make a video.

But, basically, the way I do it is this:
-hold the pick to where it's level with the bottom of your thumb.
-Pick in such a way that it strikes the pick first, then your thumb.
-By itself it sounds meh, but add some heavy vibrato to make it "scream."

Once you get the hang of it, try to do it without moving your pick, instead angling your pickstroke to hit it correctly. Because that's how you'll need to do it when playing fast.

Sweet. Thanks much apoc :cheers:

[apocalypse13]

:cheers:

[PooKoo]

ah well too late for me now.

[PooKoo]

oh yeah, **** double posting, but for those whom i havent told (and i think its just apoc).

I get to meet, and maybe possibly jam with joe satriani at my guitar shop, so **** you all.

:haha

[apocalypse13]

:haha

Personally jam too, I mean, no one else even has to know it's Satch.

[PooKoo]

:haha

[apocalypse13]

PooKoo: Hey what's up Satch? Let's fukin rock!
Satch: *Does some random blues wanking* "mmmk"
PooKoo: Look at that dude over there... Let's not tell him who you are, you don't want any people going "OmFG luk It'z Sach!!!"
Satch: Lol ok. *More random blues wankage*

:haha

[PooKoo]

:haha


....

:haha :haha :haha

[chase09]

Sorry to change the subject (I do that a lot :bonk: ) but has anyone ever seen a 'washboard' before? While looking for vids of the aforementioned acoustic virtuosos, (so far I've watched John Mclaughlin, Bireli Lagrene, Colt Valenti, Dorado Schmitt, Paco De Lucia, and Stochelo Rosenberg and only been impressed by Stochelo) I came across this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1754035475089548560&q=django&pl=true) video of David Langlois playing this instrument. It's pretty sweet so I thought I'd share.

[Beckerism]

OMFG HE'S BACK! :haha :haha

[NevermorePsalm]

^Ehm, lots of (gypsy) jazz players like Bireli Lagrene, Jimmy and Stochelo Rosenberg, Django ofcourse, Christian Escude, Samson Schmitt, Sylvain Luc, Angelo Debarre, Robin Nolan, Gabor Szabo, John Mclaughlin, Ralph Towner, Antonio Forcione, and the list goes on endlessly...
:eek:

[TheUltimateSin]

So...is it my understanding correctly that pinch harmonics have anything at all to do with being able to make that squealing sound, or am I mislead by something else?(my knowledge of guitar is obviously a shallow pool, but hey, I'm learning)

[kirkisking]

lol I was watching the cd that came with the October 2005 issue of guitar world recently, and it had Jeff Loomis doing some diminished seven arpeggio sweeps. Now, is it just me, or is he a little bit sloppy with his sweeps? I think I heard some open strings ringing out when he was sweeping.

[apocalypse13]

Well I'll tell you what UltimateSin, I'll make a recording Monday and clear up the screaming issue. :)

[NevermorePsalm]

Im a bitch for p.h.s, I have evos. (Evos=harmonic god from hell from heaven, yeah they are that good imo) I will routinely set my amp up outside and blast cowboys from hell at any squirelll that trots by

[Stratwizard]

Im a bitch for p.h.s, I have evos. (Evos=harmonic god from hell from heaven, yeah they are that good imo) I will routinely set my amp up outside and blast cowboys from hell at any squirelll that trots by

EVO's ftw

[Scorzerci]

Sorry to change the subject (I do that a lot :bonk: ) but has anyone ever seen a 'washboard' before? While looking for vids of the aforementioned acoustic virtuosos, (so far I've watched John Mclaughlin, Bireli Lagrene, Colt Valenti, Dorado Schmitt, Paco De Lucia, and Stochelo Rosenberg and only been impressed by Stochelo) I came across this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1754035475089548560&q=django&pl=true) video of David Langlois playing this instrument. It's pretty sweet so I thought I'd share.
Yes I've seen it before and I've also played it at a local music shop. I liked it except for the fact that its ugly as **** (imo) and the upper fret access sucks.

[TheUltimateSin]

Well I'll tell you what UltimateSin, I'll make a recording Monday and clear up the screaming issue. :)

:cheers:

Thanks much apoc. Like I said, my guitar knowledge is pretty "meh".

[Archaon]

So...is it my understanding correctly that pinch harmonics have anything at all to do with being able to make that squealing sound, or am I mislead by something else?(my knowledge of guitar is obviously a shallow pool, but hey, I'm learning)
Yes, I guess you could call them squeels, a lot of people do. And as someone else said, when you do a PH almost always you should use vibrato to make it sound better.

[Freepower]

^ grr, i just wrote a huge ****in post on PHs and lost it. Heres the jist.

The point at which you PH is dictated by the location of the harmonic nodes, its not random and you can do a whole lot more if you know this. There.


Dammit, that post was really good. Bastard UG.

And tommy emmanuel rocks, on the subject of acoustos.

[TheUltimateSin]

Now ya see, this is why i asked this here. I know you guys know your shit, so I can better trust you. :)

[apocalypse13]

I'll try to go as in depth as I can using audio only.

[TheUltimateSin]

If it's anything to be concerned about, I'm using a Les Paul. Although I don't know why that would make any difference though and I'm pretty sure it doesn't. But, you guys are the experts so....

[apocalypse13]

Usually Les Pauls have pretty good PH from what I've seen.

[TheUltimateSin]

That's kinda why I'm not to concerned about it. Rhoads seemed to get really good PH from them, and as for non professionals, I had a few friends who could get them really good on Les Pauls. I think it's just a matter of me learning how to them them correctly and good enough to be able to do them automatically, without staring at the string as I pick it to make sure I have my thumb placed right, then up at the fretboard to make sure I'm fretting the right note. But...I can pull some pretty mean regular(or natural, which ever it is) harmonics so I'm happy with that much :D

[apocalypse13]

Natural harmonics become sooooo much more fun with a whammy bar. I rarely hit NH without using the bar in some way.

[TheUltimateSin]

I'm trying to save anough cash to purchase a decent guitar with a whammy bar. I have loads of fun with my Les Paul, but I feel I need to experiment with a whammy, especially if I want to play certain Rhoads songs, like Suicide Solution. I came close to buying a Jackson RX10D not long ago, but I refrained for some reason. I think it had something to do with it only having one knob, a master volume knob. I'm not sure though.

[PooKoo]

go for an ibanez, imo the greatest.

[Beckerism]

http://mail.google.com/mail/?view=att&disp=attd&attid=0.1&th=10a59bc499078ddb

-Golbez.

[TheUltimateSin]

^I considered one of those too, PooKoo. I believe it was JEM. I heard good things about them so they peaked my interest as well.

[PooKoo]

yeah, i adore jems man, i need a job to get one.

[TheUltimateSin]

heh, yeah, no kidding. I wasn't really quite ready to sacrifice an arm and a leg to aquire one, and I already sold my soul for a bag of Skittles(it was late and I was really hungary...). Looks like I have to do it the old fashioned way and save for maybe 6 years.....

[PooKoo]

yeahhh, i know how it is bro.

[TheUltimateSin]

Damn guitar companys with their prices....what happened to the days where they just handed guitars to people? Back in my day......wait..nevermind

[Master Of Shred]

Nah Ibanes sucks, what's your budget

[TheUltimateSin]

At the moment it's about $450, but I keep adding to it daily. Like I said, I am going to be saving for some time before I can get a good dependable guitar with a whammy.

[Master Of Shred]

Heh, how much are you going to spend on it(max)?

[PooKoo]

i love ibanezs

[Master Of Shred]

lol u suck

[TheUltimateSin]

Not entirely sure yet. I don't know what types are reliable. I was aiming for a company I've heard of, a nice shape, good feedback on it, and not too expensive(as in thousands of dollars, which I couldn't afford). Like I said, I was considering a JEM because it had good feedback, but it's kinda pricey for a good one. I also really like the shape of the RX10D from Jackson(but again, the knob issue). I don't really know what to try. But the most important thing I am looking for is that it is a reliable instrument. I don't want something that turns out to be a pice of crap 2 days later(that should be obvious though :P: ). For the time being, I am just trolling around looking at various brands.

EDIT: To clarify a little, this is what I mean by shape-

something like this: http://media.samedaymusic.com/media/brand,sameday/fit,325by400/quality,85/p27242h-ffa93cc841a502a05d137443461d8f99.jpg is just ugly to me.

This is more my cup-o-tea: http://media.samedaymusic.com/media/brand,sameday/fit,325by400/quality,85/2903000586_hi-95380a338f9d7dadfb9961f0e207e1c9.jpg

If that helps at all

[Master Of Shred]

Well I've heard from a lot of JEMowners that they have problems with the electronics, so it ain't worth the money anyways.(Besides the fact that it's 500$ more expensive because it's a sig.)

Floyd Rose is an acceptable brand, not really expensive neither.

[Master Of Shred]

In that case, try a RR3, it's okay, and won't cost you a ton.

[Matt_Malmsteen]

Have a look at some ESP erm..LTD things..I saw a LTD F250 for £450 (don't know what that translates to in dollars) but that had the locking nut and trem and looked pretty damn sexy.

[apocalypse13]

Woot! I just calculated that I can play about 10-12 nps quite cleanly picking every note. I used to go more, but I changed my picking style only days ago because I thought my other one was too complicated. So, I'm quite pleased with steady progress despite the new picking style.

:D

[Master Of Shred]

great you're faster than me :)

[apocalypse13]

Hmmm, really?

[Master Of Shred]

nah

[apocalypse13]

Eh it satisfies me.

[mort1]

feel kind of dumb asking but how do you actually mesure how many npm you can play?????

[Master Of Shred]

Basically, 16th sexuplets at lets say 180 bpm, then 180/10=18 notes per second.

[mort1]

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..
ty..

[SnowballofDoom]

nah

:haha

[Freepower]

Woot! I just calculated that I can play about 10-12 nps quite cleanly picking every note. I used to go more, but I changed my picking style only days ago because I thought my other one was too complicated. So, I'm quite pleased with steady progress despite the new picking style.

:D


What was complicated about the old one? :confused: You had to wink before playing each note or summat?

Still, neat work. Quite clean, huh? How clean is that?

I have no idea atm, but its getting cleaner, so im happy. :)

[apocalypse13]

Idk, I could go fast but not slow. Like I could go slow, and fast, but nothing in between.

oh, and quite clean is pretty dern clean. I have no problem doing it, almost zero tension, and good accents. So, I'm pretty happy with it.

[NevermorePsalm]

pfft, loser........................................................

[apocalypse13]

<_<

[NevermorePsalm]

<_<

oh dude, I forgot, no jam tomorrow, I have a ****ty track meet

[apocalypse13]

asshole

[pavan]

I've gotten slightly better by practising mostly on an acoustic.........

[NevermorePsalm]

asshole

im your asshole though :eek: :confused:
:peace:

[apocalypse13]

Yeah acoustic practicing helps. I spent like 3 hours one time playing nothing but the Holy Wars arpegio in Marty's first electric solo, and it became effortless after that.

[Scorzerci]

I want a real acoustic...

[PooKoo]

i love playing my acoustic,

[apocalypse13]

Same here, I just put mine into CGDGBE tuning. I don't know what the hell tuning it is, but it sure does sound cool.

[PooKoo]

yeah, i like cgcgce tuning myself.

[SnowballofDoom]

Same here, I just put mine into CGDGBE tuning. I don't know what the hell tuning it is, but it sure does sound cool.

Cmaj9 :)

[apocalypse13]

....I couldn't have come up with that if my life depended on it

[NevermorePsalm]

yeah... well...mine is in teh tuning for Im Your Secrets by Steve Vai

[apocalypse13]

Me and PooKoo's making a co-jam.

PooKoo's done with his part, and it's fockin awesome.

[Erc]

^ sweet!

I've been playing piano mostly these days though I have played guitar some. But its mostly been just random dicking around with a little technique work. The rest has been learning some peterson stuff on the ol' piano.

That **** is hard 0_o

[PooKoo]

i cant play real piano to save my life.

[Erc]

Oh neither can I, but I'm working on it =).

[Resiliance]

^ sweet!

I've been playing piano mostly these days though I have played guitar some. But its mostly been just random dicking around with a little technique work. The rest has been learning some peterson stuff on the ol' piano.

That **** is hard 0_o

You're actually learning his improvisations...?

[mr_clapton]

o_O

[Stratwizard]

i love playing my acoustic,

Me too. :)

Acoustic shredders > most of the electric shredders

[Stratwizard]

^I considered one of those too, PooKoo. I believe it was JEM. I heard good things about them so they peaked my interest as well.

Yes, get yourself a JEM. It took one year for me to save up for one. It's definately worth the money.

RG's (excluding the 80's pink and yellow 550-models) just look too dull and boring to me. :(

[Scorzerci]

Well I'm getting an acoustic within the next 2 or 3 weeks (going to America where everything is way cheaper).

[Godly Moose]

Man... Vai and his fretgasm faces when he plays.

[Stratwizard]

Well I'm getting an acoustic within the next 2 or 3 weeks (going to America where everything is way cheaper).

Which brand you've been thinkin of?

[PooKoo]

Yes, get yourself a JEM. It took one year for me to save up for one. It's definately worth the money.

RG's (excluding the 80's pink and yellow 550-models) just look too dull and boring to me. :(
:(

i <3 my rg

[Stratwizard]

:(

i <3 my rg

;) They're good guitars, but I just don't like them that much.

[Scorzerci]

I really like the look and sound of the Ibanez EP9 (Vai signature), but what I've heard is Vai playing it and Vai can make basically everything sound good and I haven't played it cus no guitar stores around here stock it. If I play it and don't like it then I might go for a Taylor X14ce (probably x being 3 or 4), but I'm basically open to everything (I made a thread about it in the acoustic forum).

[Stratwizard]

I've got Ibanez AEL20E. It ****ing rocks!

[priest.fan.]

... I like my jackson... >_>

so many ibanez fanboys, eeeeee!























jk :p:

[Scorzerci]

strat-well I hope I'll be able to make the same statement as you did about the EP9 when I get to play it in a few weeks.

[PooKoo]

hey priest fan, how bout putting up a vid? ive never seen ya play, only heard one of your random ass songs in or.

[priest.fan.]

because I'm not sure how to do it >_> I have a digital camera, but I don't use it very often

and besides, I'm not that great anyways :p:

[PooKoo]

eh its all good.

[mr_clapton]

Hey has anyone seen petrucci's promotional photos on dimarzio, they are kinda funny looking

[PooKoo]

hha i remember when someonep osted em a while back, we all had a good laugh.

[SnowballofDoom]

Have you seen him lately? He can pop our heads with his fingertips :eek:

[apocalypse13]

eh, sorry Ultimate Sin, I didn't get around to the audio, my dad got home early today...

[Erc]

You're actually learning his improvisations...?


****, he improves most of is solos?

Oh geeze, he gets more amazing everytime I learn something new about him.

But uh yea ^_^, nifty thing though is that with the sheet music I can analyze what hes doing theoretically and stuff so I can try to apply it to my own writing =)

[cliff_em_all]

... I like my jackson... >_>

so many ibanez fanboys, eeeeee!







jk :p:

And i love my bc rich..

-puts on flame proof jacket-

But it is one of the decent ones btw :p:

[apocalypse13]

I've heard the Bichs are pretty good BC Richs.

[Resiliance]

****, he improves most of is solos?

Oh geeze, he gets more amazing everytime I learn something new about him.

But uh yea ^_^, nifty thing though is that with the sheet music I can analyze what hes doing theoretically and stuff so I can try to apply it to my own writing =)

Dude... It's jazz...

It's all improvised.

And Michel Petrucciani owns Oscar Peterson to no end.

[SGRocker0791]

I love my Gibson Tony Iommi SG.

...and yes, John P looked pretty bad in the those pics IMO. Oh well.

[Erc]

Dude... It's jazz...

It's all improvised.

And Michel Petrucciani owns Oscar Peterson to no end.


Dude, if you can upload me some Michael Petrucciani sometime so I can get a taste, I would fooking love you. Only one song came up on my P2P program =(

[Resiliance]

Well, I'd upload some, but my upload limit for the month is at 95% and it refreshes the 15th, so you'll have to wait a while.

This is the only one I've got uploaded atm, not one of his best...

http://resi.saug-meinen-schwanz.net/MP3/Michel%20Petrucciani%20-%20My%20Bebop%20Tune.mp3

If you want to get ANY jazz piano album, Michel Petrucciani's "Music" is, in my opinion, unrivalled. Especially if you're into Bossa Nova as much as I am.

I have yet to hear anyone on any instrument to match Petrucciani's improv for me.

[chase09]

Dude... It's jazz...

It's all improvised.

And Michel Petrucciani owns Oscar Peterson to no end.

Lol, I thought you said musicians can't own each other in the ONLY Shred Videos upload thread? :rolleyes:

[Resiliance]

Lol, I thought you said musicians can't own each other in the ONLY Shred Videos upload thread? :rolleyes:

Exactly, heard of humor?

It's a new invention.




:rolleyes: indeed.



I guess I'm too used to people knowing the methods to my madness...

[Erc]

That piece was awesome IMO =)

Great stuff, I very much like it. Is that album "Music" easy to get a hold of? Scenario being, if I went to my local CD shop, looked around, would it be there or would I be better off ordering it?

[Resiliance]

I think you'd have to order it. Think it's on Amazon.

[Erc]

Allright, thanks very much for the recommendation! =)

[apocalypse13]

I've got a full song GP in tabs and chords if anyone wants to check it out.

:cheers:

[Erc]

Upload it to yousendit or whatever, I'd be glad to give it a listen, but I only have GP4, not GP5 =(

[apocalypse13]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338108

I put an uncomplete version up right before I got banned, but this is done. The whammy effect at the end sounds nothing like that in real life, so don't worry. And no, I don't have it memorized.

[Erc]

Not bad, not bad. I don't think it quite has its own "feel" to it, but thats very well could just be the damn midi!

If you can, start recording soon (get good tone btw!) and let us here that because I think it'll turn out rather nice.

Oh and I agree with the offnotes not sounding cool in an offnote way around bar 13ish.