** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[apocalypse13]

If you can, start recording soon (get good tone btw!) and let us here that because I think it'll turn out rather nice.

Don't get your hopes up...:(

Oh and FP, after more careful observation, I actually think my "new" style is actually closer to actual Shawn Picking. Before I had my hand angled all funny, and i think I've actually got it down now. (Sweetness) It's not full on Shawn picking though I dont think, but still quite a bit easier to control than I had it, and less tension I believe.

[Freepower]

Oh and FP, after more careful observation, I actually think my "new" style is actually closer to actual Shawn Picking. Before I had my hand angled all funny, and i think I've actually got it down now. (Sweetness) It's not full on Shawn picking though I dont think, but still quite a bit easier to control than I had it, and less tension I believe.

I'm imitating shawn through the oscill movement from a different angle than benson picking. It seems to work, but i'll give it a year and see how my picking goes...

[Master Of Shred]

Scorzerci you're aware of the fact that the acoustic Vai is over 1000 bucks?

[pavan]

Exactly, heard of humor?

It's a new invention.




:rolleyes: indeed.



I guess I'm too used to people knowing the methods to my madness...

what madness?

[TheUltimateSin]

what madness?

:eek: What madness?! What do you mean what madness?! How could you ask such a thing??










......Yes...what madness, Resi..?

[Resiliance]

... But I have a crystal ball! :(




Bonus points for those who get the reference

[Smokey Amp]

... But I have a crystal ball! :(




Bonus points for those who get the reference

Nope...It went over my head :(

I'm happy to make my first post in the 'Shred Thread' though. :)

Now, all I need to do is learn to shred...

[Stratwizard]

... But I have a crystal ball! :(




Bonus points for those who get the reference

Umm... :confused:

[Scorzerci]

Scorzerci you're aware of the fact that the acoustic Vai is over 1000 bucks?
Yes and I have more than 1000$ (approx 2000$ give or take a hundred).

[Rianne]

im sooo sorryy

i dont know what shred is sooo what is shred ?

[Smokey Amp]

im sooo sorryy

i dont know what shred is sooo what is shred ?

Are you kidding?

If not, Shred is playing unbelieveably fast. Although, that's not the only connotation that defines shred music. It's the techniques encorporated into the music also.

Try listening to Joe Satirani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Michaeal Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley, Yngwie Malmsteen, Micheal Romeo etc. (There are alot more I can't be arsed to name). You'll start to understand what shred is.

[Rianne]

i said i m sorry ^^ thanks okay

does cob includes some shreds ??

[Resiliance]

Umm... :confused:

Zappa - Cosmik Debris :(

[Smokey Amp]

i said i m sorry ^^ thanks okay

does cob includes some shreds ??

Yeah, Laiho is sort of a shredder. I think he and CoB are awesome.

[Stratwizard]

Zappa - Cosmik Debris :(

Okay... :)

[Rianne]

Yeah, Laiho is sort of a shredder. I think he and CoB are awesome.

I LOVE Alexi ^^

hes the best and linde en emmpu are the best too :cool:

:peace:

[Master Of Shred]

Yes and I have more than 1000$ (approx 2000$ give or take a hundred).

Get an electric...now!! :eek:

[Scorzerci]

MOS - Well I'm content with my electric right now (even though it isn't very good for shred) and I really want an acoustic, but after the acoustic my next piece of equipment will be another electric guitar. And since I'm on the topic of new gear have any of you played a pgm 300 because that's the guitar that I've been looking at for a long time (its got what I want being: maple fretboard, 24 frets, fast neck, it has basically the exact pickups i want, a Floyd Rose and it looks great IMO).

[Master Of Shred]

Scorzerci, yeah I noticed that. Fender American = Pure Secks :liplick:

But you seriously are going to spend a few 1000 bucks on an acoustic?

[Scorzerci]

well I'm hoping on not paying more than 1,200ish, but if I really can't find an acoustic that I really like under that price limit then I am prepared to pay more.

[Master Of Shred]

:cry:

Is it smarter to just buy an average acoustic, save the sh!t ouf yourself (well money actually :p: ) and buy a really nice electric. Like a Vigier or something...

[Scorzerci]

Yeah I might do that, but after reading a discussion on the Suhr forums about wether there should be 24 fret Suhrs and then I realised that I didn't know enough about guitars to get a guitar as nice as a Vigier or Suhr. My main 2 concerns are : Do I need a Floyd Rose? and Do I need a 24 fret neck and *supposedly* have a not as nice sounding guitar? Opinions?

[Master Of Shred]

Yeah I might do that, but after reading a discussion on the Suhr forums about wether there should be 24 fret Suhrs and then I realised that I didn't know enough about guitars to get a guitar as nice as a Vigier or Suhr. My main 2 concerns are : Do I need a Floyd Rose? and Do I need a 24 fret neck and *supposedly* have a not as nice sounding guitar? Opinions?

Exactly.

24 Suhr's are possible though, there was only the question if it should become a standard model.

I'm getting a 22 myself, I barely use the 24th, only with some covers (serrana arps example), and if I want that E, I can it out of my guitar, or even higher.(Bumblefoot trick, only he does it with a thimble on his right hand index finger.)

[Master Of Shred]

And it's also possible to get a Suhr or Vigier with a double locked FR if you want too, so that shouldn't be a problem.

And besides that, pretty much every Suhr/Vigier bridge with a bar stays in tune.

[pavan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Vigiers have some frictionless ball sort of system which keeps the strigns in tune. And so you dont need a FR

[Master Of Shred]

That's right for a part, not all Vigiers have that, and it's locked at the headstock, at the tuners. (Excluding the original and custom, who both have a double locked FR.)

[Scorzerci]

yeah I know that FR trems are available on Suhrs and Vigier, but I don't know if it is worth the hassle and apperantly it kills the sustain... Do you know if the 24 fret necks actually make it sound as bad as some people make it seem? I'd definitely want a 24 fret neck because I know how much of a pain in the ass it is when I want to learn some songs that go up to the 24th fret, but if it actually makes it sound bad as some people make it seem I doubt those extra 2 notes are worth it.

[Scorzerci]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Vigiers have some frictionless ball sort of system which keeps the strigns in tune. And so you dont need a FR
Yeah I read that too, but I'm guessing the FR would give you a wider range (don't really know what it's called, how far up and down you can move the bar).

[Master Of Shred]

Well, keep in mind that most Suhr and Vigier users have passed the "playing covers" stage of their career, so do all those users on that forum.

They care for the sound more than the 24th fret, which isn't exactly a must have in original songs/jams, they prefer sound over 2 frets more.

Personally, if I would still be in the playing covers stage, I would still get a 22 fretted one.

Why?

Because this is a guitar for lifetime, you ain't going to buy one soon again, because they are just too expensive. One's you have passed the cover stage you'll care mucho more about sound than 2 extra notes.

Sound > 24 frets

[Scorzerci]

yeah I figured that the sound is more important, but by the time I have enough money for a Suhr or a Vigier ( 2 or 3 years I'd guess) I'll probably care a lot more about writing my own music than playing other people's music. If I ever get a Suhr guitar this (http://suhrguitars.com/3973.htm) is what I want (well right now thats what I want;))

[Master Of Shred]

That's a custom color, so you either have to photoshop it or send the link with your order.

In case you still like it over a few years :p:

[Scorzerci]

yeah, but if I were to get a guitar as expensive as a Suhr I would want EXACTLY what I want! But yeah I doubt I'll still like pink guitars in a few years. Btw, which color was it that you ordered (I don't think there is a picture).

[Master Of Shred]

I just posted it, it's pretty much going to look like that (including zebra pups, rwar)

[Master Of Shred]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/ThijsG/7b2dabe7.jpg

there :p:

[Master Of Shred]

ohshi :heart:

[pavan]

I think we should all buy a LP for MOS on his birthday

[Master Of Shred]

lol go ahead :p:

[Scorzerci]

NICE! So in you guys' opinion are FRs Yay or Nay?

[Master Of Shred]

Nay

At least not on a guitar that expensive, like Suhr, Vigier etc

[Scorzerci]

And why would that be?

[Master Of Shred]

No need for it basically, the other bridges with a bar on those guitars stay in tune as well, and aren't that annyoing to change strings.

And it looks hotter :p:

[pavan]

Depends.

Bear in mind that you can use the whammy bar for a wide spectrum of expressions - using the whammy bar is an art in itself - listen to Beck.

On the other hand you can do many Steve Vai stunts.

But if this isnt the kind of music you see yourself playing, then consider the guitars without FRs

[Master Of Shred]

There's no need for FRs to do whammy bar stunts, you can do those on Vigier/Suhr bridges as well. Maybe you can't go that far down or up, but you can do it.

[Scorzerci]

hmmm interesting... If that's the case then it seems like you might as well just get a 2 point trem...

[pavan]

There's no need for FRs to do whammy bar stunts, you can do those on Vigier/Suhr bridges as well. Maybe you can't go that far down or up, but you can do it.


But will you have the heart to do that to a Vigier?

[Stratwizard]

pic of sexy guitar

there :p:

Me likes that very much! :liplick:

[Master Of Shred]

But will you have the heart to do that to a Vigier?

Hell no :eek:

It should get treated like a sexy lady, not like a wild f*cking ho :)

[Scorzerci]

:haha:

[Erc]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/ThijsG/7b2dabe7.jpg

there :p:


O...M...G!!!

That is one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever layed eyes on.

[apocalypse13]

word to that

[Scorzerci]

Mos - the pitch can be raised with those as well right?

[apocalypse13]

^I don't think so. But I'm not sure.

[priest.fan.]

Mos - the pitch can be raised with those as well right?

you can only raise pitch with tremolos that are floating (if you think about it, you'll see that if you were to try to pull the bar up on your average strat style trem, the wood under it would get in the way). Lots of floyds have a recessed routing so that they can raise pitch, I'm not sure if the suhrs or vigiers will have it.

besides, for raising pitch you can always just bend the string :p:

and MOS, that is indeed one of the hottest things I've ever seen. Also listened to your recording, and it was great :eek:

[apocalypse13]

Try bending harmonics smarty-o. (Which is the coolest thing to bend with a Floyd Rose :o )

[priest.fan.]

Try bending harmonics smarty-o. (Which is the coolest thing to bend with a Floyd Rose :o )

I didn't even think of that :o

probably because I almost never use natural harmonics anymore :o

but, to get a kind of vibrato-y effect on natural harmonics, its cool to shake the neck vigorously, although its not really the same

:o

[Freepower]

NO NATURAL HARMONICS?

I'd die if i had to go without em... maybe.

[priest.fan.]

NO NATURAL HARMONICS?

I'd die if i had to go without em... maybe.

I find myself using artificial harmonics way more than natural harmonics :/ I'm sure if I had a whammy bar or something I'd make better use of them, but I find that I can't really use them effectively. Probably due to my own ineptness more than the lack of a whammy bar :o

[Freepower]

^ WHAMMY BARS DONT MATTER! Theres more than the 5th and 7th fret out there y'know..

Seriously, they dont need vibrato. My favourite part of little birdy on one of my dmusics is all natural harmonics in a weird tuning. :) (drop D! :p: )

[priest.fan.]

^ WHAMMY BARS DONT MATTER! Theres more than the 5th and 7th fret out there y'know..

Seriously, they dont need vibrato. My favourite part of little birdy on one of my dmusics is all natural harmonics in a weird tuning. :) (drop D! :p: )

you're right, that is really cool >_> maybe I should look into trying to properly use NH's...

and btw, I do know there is more than 5th and 7th fret harmonics :p: I just can't make them sound like they belong in the song... >_>

[apocalypse13]

find mattias IA Eklundh's harmonic chart to find pitches for them. Then you can logically use them.

I don't remember his site name so :o

[SnowballofDoom]

http://freakguitar.com/

[YtseJams20]

if you strike a natural harmonic and hammer onto the fret the harmonic will still ring allowing you to raise the pitch. sustain isn't so great though.

[TheUltimateSin]

Seriously MOS, that guitar is the hottest piece of guitar I have laid eyes on.


On another note, I just restrung my LP today. Omg the feel of new strings = teh orgasm.

[apocalypse13]

snap, I just learned my first piece of true theory ever. And it makes writing hella easier.

[SnowballofDoom]

^ :eek: The string names?

I'm so proud of you!

[priest.fan.]

^ :eek: The string names?

I'm so proud of you!

our little apoc is growing so fast ;_;

It always hurts to see them leave the nest

p.s - I am totally seeing yngwie in may and vai in june

[TheUltimateSin]

p.s - I am totally seeing yngwie in may and vai in june

:eek:

You........Bastard....


*dies from the envy*

[Resiliance]

^ :eek: The string names?

I'm so proud of you!

Elvis, Brutus, Gary, Donny, Alexander, Ernest?

[apocalypse13]

I've already seen Yngwie.


Bitch.


:o

[priest.fan.]

I've already seen Yngwie.


Bitch.


:o

well, I'm also seeing vai. And kamelot on september 27, but I didn't know if any of you guys like them. :o

[SnowballofDoom]

Elvis, Brutus, Gary, Donny, Alexander, Ernest?

Ah yes, the forgotten dwarfs.



Oh, I get it. That's pretty clever, I must say. But I've always liked:

Eddie Ate Dynamite, Good Bye Eddie.

[apocalypse13]

well, I'm also seeing vai. And kamelot on september 27, but I didn't know if any of you guys like them. :o
I havent seen vai

[TheUltimateSin]

Ah yes, the forgotten dwarfs.



Oh, I get it. That's pretty clever, I must say. But I've always liked:

Eddie Ate Dynamite, Good Bye Eddie.

:haha that's great

[priest.fan.]

I havent seen vai

exactly. so..... neener neener neener http://67.18.37.17/2140/57/emo/smiley_tounge.gif

[apocalypse13]

:(

[Erc]

Ahh, Kamelot, I used to listen to them awhile back. Quit though, got kind of bored of them...can't remember what song I'd always listen to but there was this one song that was totally awesome by them ^_^

[Stratwizard]

p.s - I am totally seeing yngwie in may and vai in june

I've seen Vai, but I want to see Yngwie! :(

[mr_clapton]

why cant they come to australia :cry:

[Stratwizard]

Or Finland :(

[mr_clapton]

hey guys i am getting into a bit of funk, do you know any like funk virtuosos if there is such a thing

[pavan]

nana nono nuno

[apocalypse13]

Good Funky Bands:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Primus
George Clinton and the Parliament Funkadelic
Sly and the Family Stones
KC and the Sunshine Band

[YtseJams20]

bootsy collins be da man!

[NevermorePsalm]

Im bored. I thought guitars suck 3 kinda sucked

[apocalypse13]

bootsy collins be da man!
Word to that. Too bad he wasn't with them when I saw them about a month ago. :(

[TheUltimateSin]

Looky what I found:
shredding is mostly a crutch for people who cant write decent songs.

:haha

[apocalypse13]

what's "people who can write decent songs" then?

[priest.fan.]

michael jackson.

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/images/ent/ap/20050404/la303_jackson_michael_jackson_trial.sff.jpg

http://67.18.37.17/2140/57/emo/smileyheadbangyellow.gif

[apocalypse13]

oi!

Beat it and Billie Jean are ridiculously awesome.

Oh, I got a new sig. lmao at it's awesomeness.

[Erc]

OMG MJs face is so messed up 0_o

[apocalypse13]

:puke:

[priest.fan.]

http://207.210.105.23/forum/images/smilies/fruit/hititbanana.gif

[apocalypse13]

:haha

[priest.fan.]

I just found that smiley and reeeaallly wanted to use it.

[apocalypse13]

yeah lmao

[priest.fan.]

http://207.210.105.23/forum/images/smilies/animated/icon_hump.gif

omg best hump smiley in existance

[apocalypse13]

Omg you're right.

http://www.burnleyweb.com/forum/images/smilies/animated/microwave.gif

[TheUltimateSin]

http://207.210.105.23/forum/images/smilies/fruit/hititbanana.gif

:haha

You have no idea how hard I laughed when I saw that.

[Erc]

http://207.210.105.23/forum/images/smilies/fruit/hititbanana.gif


Rofl that is awesome

[TheUltimateSin]

ANGUS is the best player ever, there talent using out of him and he has so much personality. i mean, steve vai might be more technical fast but he is stiff and dumb, ANGUS FOR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
:haha
I just love public displays of stupidity. I seem to be getting new sig-worthy material every 30 minutes now....

[Stratwizard]

^Yeah, just mention any shredder outside of shred forum and you'll get a ****load of sigs!

[Scorzerci]

Well Micheal Jackson DOES have some pretty badass songs!

[canadianshred]

^Thriller :D

[apocalypse13]

Well it's ok to call some shred wank. But when you only know 2 shredders (Vai and Satch) you're just an elitist asshat and make assumptions based on something you know nothing about, and the fucking fanboy moron attitude.

At least Marty gets respect. I constantly get random "I like you because you're a Marty fan" comments that come from nowhere.

???

[Scorzerci]

IMO it's OK to call Francesco Fareri or Rusty Cooley wank(ers), but saying that shred as a genre is wank is ridiculous.

[TheUltimateSin]

^Well, Marty is one who is damn well worthy of causing nooblets to praise his name. After all, he does kick ass to teh extreme :D

[apocalypse13]

Well I personally wouldn't call Rusty a wanker. He's extremely good at utilizing his skill in his writing.

I'd say the biggest wankers of the genre are Chris Impelleteri and MAB.

[Erc]

I definently don't consider Rusty a wanker. Under the Influence is awesome ^_^

But thats not his only good song, he is a very good player and has some musical sense too.

[Scorzerci]

Yeah I don't think Rusty is That much of a wanker, but IMO Fareri is the king of wank.

[canadianshred]

ya, rusty still wanks, but its more melodic wanking

[apocalypse13]

^agreement with all 3 posts.

[NevermorePsalm]

Well I personally wouldn't call Rusty a wanker. He's extremely good at utilizing his skill in his writing.

I'd say the biggest wankers of the genre are Chris Impelleteri and MAB.
Chris, a wanker? Go back to learning your minor scales n00b.

[apocalypse13]

Yes. Chris, a wanker.

Someone prove me wrong. I've only heard the intro song to Speed Soloing. That's the closest thing to a song I've heard by him.

[Scorzerci]

yeah thats all I've heard as well so I can't really judge him...

[shredfan]

Yes. Chris, a wanker.

Someone prove me wrong. I've only heard the intro song to Speed Soloing. That's the closest thing to a song I've heard by him.

Well you'd probably think Rusty Cooley was a bit of a wanker if all you'd heard by him was his eight string solos.

[apocalypse13]

Actually I really like his 8 string solos.


And I retract the Chris statement. Somewhere over the Rainbow pwns. ;)

[Erc]

I remember hearing some things by Chris I really liked, but that song in the beginning of Spped Solos SUCKS ASS!

So boring and ****ty.

[Resiliance]

That's why it's the goddamn intro to a video called Speed Solos, you dumbasses.

Crikey...

[Erc]

^ rofl

[Metalology]

I think Impellitteri is pretty sweet. Whether you think he's a wanker or not, you can't deny the raw skill.

[apocalypse13]

Yeah I wanna hear more of him.

[Igorek]

He has a song called 17th Century Chicken Pickin' and it is pretty good...

[Freepower]

^ i have the best vid ever or Toni playing that - he actually rolls his eyes with boredom, its such a chore of a piece to listen to.

[PooKoo]

post it?

[Stratwizard]

Yeah, dude... Upload it!

[Resiliance]

As I remember he doesn't play it decently and it's bad quality anyway... Probably still on his site.

[Freepower]

^ i dont think his playings great on it, but holy god, his expressions are brilliant.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7145214259796844181&q=17th+century&pl=true


That song puts me within an inch of slitting my wrists too...

[Stratwizard]

Oh it's that guy... Holy ****, he has to have a lot of time on his hands to do so many covers! :eek:

[Freepower]

^ its built him a rep on the net. Rep = Pupils.

It lets people instantly compare their playing - "Wow, he can play ____? Neat" - as opposed to just watching him improv on a original song that no-one cares about.

[Stratwizard]

If you ask me, he's pretty boring. At least what I've heard from him. I'd definately want to hear some originals from him, not just the covers.

[Freepower]

^ but its an effective way of advertising, no? Theres some originals up on google video as well. :)

[ShredDemon]

Wow my mom and Petrucci were born almost at the same time!

[SnowballofDoom]

^ i dont think his playings great on it, but holy god, his expressions are brilliant.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7145214259796844181&q=17th+century&pl=true


That song puts me within an inch of slitting my wrists too...

:haha His expressions!

[Resiliance]

I never get why people think any relevancy of guitarists' expressions.

I look like I'm bored out of my mind when I play, when I'm obviously not.

[SnowballofDoom]

Eh, whether he is bored or not, it's funny to watch.

To me at least...

[splice]

when i play i look pissed off..

[Freepower]

I never get why people think any relevancy of guitarists' expressions.

I look like I'm bored out of my mind when I play, when I'm obviously not.

Not obviously. Your face betrays you as another bedroom shred-clone, destined only to pretend he can play PG and then horribly disappointing those who watch his one upload to googlve video.

Learn to play with emotion.



Seriously though, for people without face disconnect (which we all have occasionally) - a lot of faces are spontaneous expressions of innerness becoming outerness through music.

And a lot of the time, its to make the audience laugh. In my case, anyhoo.

[TheUltimateSin]

And a lot of the time, its to make the audience laugh. In my case, anyhoo.

Yeah, but that's because you're funny lookin' :p:

[Freepower]

^ never disputed that.

But a funny lookin boy gets hot bitches. Dont know why, but its true. Total bastards, Stupid twats, Racists, Love rats - all of them gets wimmin.

[apocalypse13]

Emo queers...:(

[Metalology]

I knew Toni had a lot of covers, but I didn't know he had that many. Props.

[TheUltimateSin]

^ never disputed that.

But a funny lookin boy gets hot bitches. Dont know why, but its true. Total bastards, Stupid twats, Racists, Love rats - all of them gets wimmin.

Well there's always that......

[NevermorePsalm]

Has anyone heard the Exotica lick by GG? Legato> you.

[Godly Moose]

Anywhere here ever heard of Goncalo Pereira. He's pretty good.
First three videos are of him.
*Yes you probably already have seen it. But just incase.*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7370023627894437872&q=guitars+suck&pl=true

[pavan]

I never understand why stage antics pass off as music. Music is not viewer friendly imo, and the people who run around place and make wierd faces while playing are only entertaining the crowd, sometimes compromising the music.

I like music as music, I'd rather hear than see.

[Scorzerci]

Yes the music is more important, but it'd get quite boring if they were just standing in one place playing their music.

[Resiliance]

^I'd like that, actually.

[Master Of Shred]

Well it's good that they let their energy out I guess, with rock and metool.

[pavan]

Looks really really lame

[PooKoo]

Anywhere here ever heard of Goncalo Pereira. He's pretty good.
First three videos are of him.
*Yes you probably already have seen it. But just incase.*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7370023627894437872&q=guitars+suck&pl=true

seen it, funnily enough, never relized the first 3 were one person. Ive always thought the second thing was one of the most beautiful things ive ever heard.

[Erc]

Yea the 2nd vid in that is pretty sweet.

[Resiliance]

His album is pretty good, only his tone is crappy digital, really ruins it.

[pavan]

wonder how he manages 11 strings. Its like playing 2 guitars at the same time.

[Matt_Malmsteen]

Sorry for being a n00b, but can som eone explain what the hell chicken picking is

[apocalypse13]

The basic idea is to pick one string and use your fingers for strings above the one you're picking. Most commonly used on the G,B, and High E strings.

[NevermorePsalm]

Where your picking notes on the lower strings (bass notes) and usesing your ring, index, and middle finger (usually just the middle) to pick treble notes near the top strings.(with your picking hand of course)

[Erc]

wonder how he manages 11 strings. Its like playing 2 guitars at the same time.


Yea, and he has to have some good overhand technique to play those bottom strings.

I would find a 11-string guitar a bit overwhelming, definently since I wouldn't need so many damn strings, but eh the versatility would be pretty awesome.

[Erc]

I never understand why stage antics pass off as music. Music is not viewer friendly imo, and the people who run around place and make wierd faces while playing are only entertaining the crowd, sometimes compromising the music.

I like music as music, I'd rather hear than see.


Oh and btw I think that some people here underestimate the power of stage presence. It can make a world of difference, especially when it comes to exposure. Kiss wasn't successful because their music was good. Infact their music was very mediocre but their live shows were great and innovative when it came to stage effects and pyrotechnics.

You also have to remember, a full-time muisician is essentially an entertainer, so enertain both phsyically and musicially.

[pavan]

To make "good" music, one does not have to be an entertainer.

[Erc]

Music is a form of entertainment. An entertainer isn't just some bafoon that tells jokes on stage and does stupid little tricks. Music is a form of entertainment and the player playing or composing it is the entertainer. Adding "phyiscal" entertainment only adds to the music, if done correctly.

[pavan]

which is the same as telling jokes and doing stupid little tricks

[Erc]

Right, and doing jokes and stupid little tricks and add to the live show expirence. I'm no fan of dragonforce but I have to recognize the fact they've got something going. And its live show energy so to speak.

Herman Li and Sam whatever his last name is frankly just do some crazy stuff on stage, jumping around, spinning, guitar tricks etc. And guess what, their music (which hits off with a lot of people) has become very popular in the UK and Asia and since they signed with Roadrunner we can expect to hear them more in the US.

Hendrix also had a crazy live show.

What I'm getting at is...

A good live show will increase your chances of becoming succesful enough to become a full-time musician.

[Resiliance]

And what I'm saying is I don't give a **** about stage presence and all that crap.

I think everyone knows and acknowledges that it's key to success Erc... That's not being disputed.

And Dragonforce... Hahahahaha. If you can't play while doing circus moves, don't do em'.

[pavan]

success doesnt always mean greatness

[Matt_Malmsteen]

I agree with resi.

and thanx to apoc and nevermorepsalm for explaining that. :)

[splice]

success doesnt always mean greatness


true

[shredfan]

As long as your playing doesn't suffer then surely stage presence is more of a good thing than a bad thing, right?

Sure it doesn't affect the music, but IMO :rolleyes: Yngwie's shows wouldn't be anything like as entertaining if he cut his hair, went on stage in jeans and a T-shirt, sat down the whole show and never looked at the crowd.
Likewise, Gilbert's amazing live and a lot of that is due to his stage presence- he could keep the crowd entertained without even playing his guitar.

So for me, whilst stage presence isn't absolutely neccessary it can help to spice things up a bit.

[apocalypse13]

Buckethead anyone?

;)

[Scorzerci]

^:cheers: exactly
edit: to shredfan

[Resiliance]

As long as your playing doesn't suffer then surely stage presence is more of a good thing than a bad thing, right?

Sure it doesn't affect the music, but IMO :rolleyes: Yngwie's shows wouldn't be anything like as entertaining if he cut his hair, went on stage in jeans and a T-shirt, sat down the whole show and never looked at the crowd.
Likewise, Gilbert's amazing live and a lot of that is due to his stage presence- he could keep the crowd entertained without even playing his guitar.

So for me, whilst stage presence isn't absolutely neccessary it can help to spice things up a bit.

Ofcourse, but you're making it sound like you proved/disproved someone's point... You haven't. We all agree on that AFAIK.

[shredfan]

Actually, I was just showing my own opinion on the subject.

[Resiliance]

I know...

[NevermorePsalm]

Yep, Satch is tonight!

[Godly Moose]

I never understand why stage antics pass off as music. Music is not viewer friendly imo, and the people who run around place and make wierd faces while playing are only entertaining the crowd, sometimes compromising the music.

I like music as music, I'd rather hear than see.

I don't think Vai has control of his face when he plays. :(

[apocalypse13]

yeah :haha

[Godly Moose]

Is it me or is the disco chicken ad at the top of the page is getting REALLY ****ING ANNOYING.

[Erc]

success doesnt always mean greatness


That is almost true, and although I never even mentioned that...

The way you define success is important in such a statement. Success (for a person) is relative correct? Success would be reaching ones goal. If ones goal is a thing such as "musical greatness" then sucess would mean greatness. But if your "musical success" was popularity or financial stability then no, that wouldn't mean greatness.

BTW I think that you should give a **** about stage presence resi, but then again, it comes off that you don't care about my later definition of "musical success." Which is just damn well dandy really ^_^. Though having a stable job as a musician rather then working multiple jobs would be nice.

[apocalypse13]

Yeah.

I think as long as you got a reputation on the net through independent releases and guitar sites, you could make money on the side with your music, which would be awesome. If you got really lucky, you might get noticed by a major label. At least with an underground fan base, you could afford expensive gear. <_<

[Erc]

Haha, no kidding.

Speaking of expensive gear...

I so totally want a Conford amp. Infact to my surprise I found out there is a dealer here in Columbia, very close to my house! I hope to go there sometime this spring break to see if they have any lying around I could try out (very unlikely). I did the math, if I get a summer job I'll have just about enough money for a Cornford Hurricane (The "gig worthy" harlequin). I so totally need to get a job, the tone of cornford amps (or at least all the recordings I've heard with one) are freaking eargasmic.

[apocalypse13]

I found a guitar shop that carries Bogners only about 20 minutes away!
(Rusty Cooley amps bitches)

So hopefully I'll get to play on a Cooley amp. :o

(4800 bucks though...:()

What I'm hoping is that they'll carry other hard to find tone machines. (That aren't as expensive)

[canadianshred]

Lucky basterds all i have around here are belle air music stores, and all they have are marshall, fender and vox amps

[Godly Moose]

Anyone of you guys seen this? It's a guitar playing indian... Very Vai sounding. It's actualy pretty funny though.

http://www.guitarshredshow.com/

[apocalypse13]

yeah it's really cool

[Erc]

I found a guitar shop that carries Bogners only about 20 minutes away!
(Rusty Cooley amps bitches)

So hopefully I'll get to play on a Cooley amp. :o

(4800 bucks though...:()

What I'm hoping is that they'll carry other hard to find tone machines. (That aren't as expensive)

Ahh, bogner amps, I almost bought a boutique amp that was like a copy uberschall by Fabamps. Unfouranetly right at the time my family was in a money crisis due to my dad being screwed over by his job and I was unable to spend my "allowance" that I had accumulated for the downpayment on the amplifier.

A real shame really, ahh the recordings I had heard (recorded from customers) sounded very good. Especially since it was a boutique amp for something like $600.

[NevermorePsalm]

Satch owns my soul now. Im serious, that show was so, so, so, good.

[SnowballofDoom]

Yeh, he puts on a great show.

Do you remember your setlist?

[NevermorePsalm]

Not at all, but he opened with flying in a blue dream which was so freakin awesome.

[splice]

speaking of expensive gear....i played a 25 000 dollar stratocaster on my trip in atlanta

[Beckerism]

speaking of expensive gear....i played a 25 000 dollar stratocaster on my trip in atlanta

Wtf? Diamond inlays? :haha

[priest.fan.]

speaking of expensive gear....i played a 25 000 dollar stratocaster on my trip in atlanta

yeah, my dads friend is a vintage banjo collector (he also has some acoustic guitars, but mainly banjos) and some of them have been valued at around 20k :eek: He has a whole wall of them, I should take a pic sometime. They're mostly "white lady" banjos (I have no idea what exactly this means, its probably a brand name) and its crazy. He also has a few vintage martins, and as far as I know the only new instrument he's bought was custom made for him for about $6000. (and he let me play it :D)

Next time I go over, I'll try to take pics, because I know you guys will be hard pressed to believe this lol.

[splice]

:eek: whooooaa....yeah it was like a '62.....


it

was

sweeeeeet


unfortunately i came home to my 450 dollar mexican strat.... :(

[SnowballofDoom]

Not at all, but he opened with flying in a blue dream which was so freakin awesome.

Yeah, he did the same at the Chicago show, which was totally unexpected, imo. That's usually an encore song...

[NevermorePsalm]

Yeah, he did the same at the Chicago show, which was totally unexpected, imo. That's usually an encore song...

Yeah, his encore songs were the Crowd Chant Song and I THINK (note that, im not quite sure) Always with You, Always with me

[SnowballofDoom]

Ahh, our encore was Crowd Chant and Summer Song.

[apocalypse13]

I might be in Chicago 2 weeks from now!

Just for a day or so though, it's on the way home from my aunt's house.

[NevermorePsalm]

oh, thats right. It was Summer Song. Does he have the same setlist every show? My guitar teacher buddy told me it was summer song, im stupid.

[apocalypse13]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342301

:(

:haha

[SnowballofDoom]

Flying In A Blue Dream
The Extremist
Redshift
Cool#9
Satch Boogie
Ice 9.
One Robot's Dream
Mystical Potato Head
Meaning of Love
Circles
Always With Me...
Surfing With The Alien

encore

Crowd Chant
Summer Song

Those are the ones I remember, but he played a couple from Super Colossal, and probably a few more I just forgot about.

VERY good show.

[pavan]

I downloaded a file in MPC format. What do I play this with?

[PooKoo]

cant wait for the satch show, a week from tomorrow.

[apocalypse13]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=SUNA,SUNA:2006-01,SUNA:en&q=mpc+file+extension

Here I googled it, but I really don't know, maybe one of those sites can help.

[Resiliance]

I downloaded a file in MPC format. What do I play this with?

Musepack plugin.

www.musepack.net

[Freepower]

^ speaking of which, i seem to be missing some .avi codecs. Rock discipline and Power Licks no longer play. Anything you can think of before i google it anyway?

[Resiliance]

Well, most used are (obviously) DivX and Xvid...

But here's a little program to tell you what codec it is and if you have and haven't got it, and more information on your .avi...

http://www.weethet.nl/downloads/gspot.zip

[Freepower]

^ its ok, i found a avi codec pack that worked fine. :) Thanks anyhoo.

[pavan]

Thanks apo and resi.

[apocalypse13]

:cheers:

[Godly Moose]

JESUS CHRIST LOOK AT HOW WIDE THIS BASS'S NECK IS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6755907136170174469&q=jean+baudin&pl=true

[apocalypse13]

lmao that is huge

[Erc]

That is freaking ridiculous.

[Night_Lights]

whats easier to learn, always with me/you, or cryin?

[TheUltimateSin]

JESUS CHRIST LOOK AT HOW WIDE THIS BASS'S NECK IS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6755907136170174469&q=jean+baudin&pl=true

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Freepower]

^ thankfully, i have mad bass nuts for friends, i am now immune to silly necks.

Still, thats pretty bitchin. His right leg must have a big dent in it from that thing.

[TheUltimateSin]

Honestly....who the hell needs a bass with that many strings? When I think "Bass", I picture a bass guitar with 4 thick strings used to make those really low and thick kind of sounds. But that thing......I just don't know about that thing......I don't think it should count as a bass guitar......It's a monstrosity; a freak of nature. The 9th wonder of the world...

[pavan]

you probably have no idea of / regard for textures

[TheUltimateSin]

No...probably not :p:

[splice]

thats a bit pointless......freakin sweet......but pointless

[Godly Moose]

^ Unless you needed to play the Mario theme song on a bass...

[TheUltimateSin]

^Speaking of which, I watched a video on youtube last week of some guy playing the Mario theme on two seperate guitars at the same time. What do you make of that?

[apocalypse13]

Seen it, it's cool.

[TheUltimateSin]

I hate people who show off like that. It just irrates me because it reminds me of how much I suck, which it is hard for me to listen to people like MAB. I love the music and I hate it at the same time. It's a pain in the ass.

[splice]

yeah asian dude was doin it....pretty cool stuff man

[apocalypse13]

I don't really like MAB that much, he's such a wanker.

Ooh wow, 21 nps runs up and down scales for 3 minutes...

It's cool at first, but then you realize how repetitve it is...

[Resiliance]

He still pwns at jazz.

[TheUltimateSin]

^^yes, that's true. I was just using MAB as an example. :D

[apocalypse13]

The asian dude's name is Zack Kim btw...

:o

(Yes I already knew that, didn't have to search)

[Freepower]

I doubt those guys see it as showing off most of the time. You show off LIVE, and on VIDS, where people can see you and drool. Music is music - chops vids bring people over, but they stay for music. I like MABs music very much, meself. Same for a lot of "chops" players, actually.

And i finally started adding 0nps legato drills to my practice. Now its outside picking and string skips and some tasty hammerons...soon, soon, i will have moderate technical ability! (gimme a year or two)

[PooKoo]

He still pwns at jazz.

mab is an excellent jazz player, surprisingly.

[PooKoo]

ok doublepost but still

fp, explain to me this 0nps legato technique, i remember you going over it breifly but i didnt really get it, and im always looking to broaden my playing.

[Freepower]

Basically, its the ability to hammeron from nowhere onto new strings. I'll link you to some shawn stuff...

http://lanesblitz.com/media/Booklet.pdf

Examples 32, 33 for its basic use, and example 46 for what you can do when you're lane. It needs watching to be understandable, but he pwns... everyone else's linear legato... doing that.

Er, yep. Its great for sequences and general flexibilty, so it slightly diminishes my suck factor - it will, anyway.

And it sounds better, and its easier to apply, than sweeping for 0nps stuff thats hard to alt pick, so thats the main reason for using it for me.

And autumn's midi is attached. :)

[PooKoo]

uber thank you!

edit, so its basically just kind of like, nothing but hammers?

edit 2, said that ****ty, but i think i ghet it.

[splice]

WOHOOOOO!!!!!200th page of the shred chat!

[Freepower]

Basically, yes. :)

Like i said, its always much over talked about - simple CONCEPT. Its doing it well and fluently...

Lol, just like every guitar fundamental, actually. Im off to teh bed (alone! no aoife here... :( ) so no more direct FP questions. He has a 3 hour grade 5 music theory past paper to do... and its half twelve, dammit.

[priest.fan.]

guessss who got a creative zen vison as an early birthday present?

moi :D

and new shoes too

anyways, FP, do you basically mean legato without pickstrokes? O_o because if so then I think I get it

[apocalypse13]

Priest, who was that dude with the bouncing boob avatar a LONG ASS time ago? He's banned now. Like the biggest pit crawler in history.

[priest.fan.]

firenze?

he frequents LG now lol

[TheUltimateSin]

I doubt those guys see it as showing off most of the time.

Oh I'm sure they don't consider it as "showing off". My eyes/ears pick it up as showing off because, like I said, it reminds my of how bad I suck. It's just a psychological phase that my mind will eventually get out of.

[spee]

woahh havent been on here in a while, hows it goin freepower, snowballofdoom and resi?

does MOS still come on?

[TheUltimateSin]

^Yes, MOS does still come one. Quite regularily.

[SnowballofDoom]

woahh havent been on here in a while, hows it goin freepower, snowballofdoom and resi?

does MOS still come on?

:eek:

I thought you died!

Are you back now?

[Resiliance]

Howdy.

[Boghead]

yay

[apocalypse13]

firenze?

he frequents LG now lol
hahahahaha yeah that's him. (LG?)



Spee is here! :eek: Wow....

[Erc]

I totally recognize that guys avatar. Welcome back spee.

[spee]

oh man...is shreddersunited still goin?

**** man, highschool=girls and sports=no time for guitar

i gotta get back on here, my chops are like dead now..lol

[Godly Moose]

oh man...is shreddersunited still goin?

**** man, highschool=girls and sports=no time for guitar

i gotta get back on here, my chops are like dead now..lol

wtf is sports, and girls?

[TheUltimateSin]

^yeah, seriously. Are you trying to say there is a kind of life that doesn't revolve around guitar, spee? What kind of blasphemy is that?

[Erc]

^ No kidding.

[spee]

lol...shoot me...

is WyldeGibsonPlyr around, that guy was like a big help for me...

same with that other dude..i forget his username but u moved to new jersey from india for school...he was an awesome player...ahh yess...axegrinder9 i think lol

[TheUltimateSin]

Not sure about the other dude but Axe is sure on every now and then