** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[Hidde]

Is it me or is he getting more muscle as the years go on?

And a wider range of facial expressions

[Stratwizard]

Hey, just wondering how well you guys here can sing? Not talking about the voice, but how well you can stay on pitch.

[Scorzerci]

Not well... At all.

[Freepower]

Once on a pitch i can hold it fine. It's picking one or hitting one in my mind that's the problem. :(

Let alone tone and volume. :o

[TheUltimateSin]

Very Poorly

[Erc]

I can sing quite well.

[PooKoo]

I can usually stay pretty well on pitch, despite my weak range (2 octaves ftl), and i can sing harmonies with other people/myself fairly well.
However, my tone is awful.

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

I like my voice, but u guys will rape me if I told you who I sing like.

[TheUltimateSin]

I like my voice, but u guys will rape me if I told you who I sing like.

Nonesense. Why would we do such a thing?

































*readys lubricant and iron rod*

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

:haha:haha:haha:haha
I'll tell u, Sin, Rhoads fan to Rhoads fan:


*Gerard Way*

[Godly Moose]

No I'm pretty poor vocal wise. :(

[Hidde]

I can usually stay pretty well on pitch, despite my weak range (2 octaves ftl), and i can sing harmonies with other people/myself fairly well.
However, my tone is awful.

That's not weak

[PooKoo]

really? haha i listen to a lotta jeff buckley so it seems like it.

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

Any1 sing w/ their diaphram? I have, but I prefer my throat vocals for some reason. I think my throat vocals are more raw and energetic, which is perfect for my band. When I use my diaphram, my voice sounds a bit too "pop" for my taste.

[Hidde]

really? haha i listen to a lotta jeff buckley so it seems like it.

I'm pretty sure that's what most singers can do. Freddy Mercury could do 4 (Which is the most I ever heard of). I can barely do 1.

[hamacker]

There was a black woman who sang a one hit wonder back in the seventies, her name escapes me but her range was absolutely amazing.

[PooKoo]

she did the loving you song, i wanna say it was mia but i'm probably wrong.
And jeff buckley allegedly had 4, so yeah.

[NevermorePsalm]

Mmm. I sing ohk I suppose. Pook is better than he gives himself credit for though.

[PooKoo]

haha you said yourself i sing like conor oberst.
Which actually makes me happy, but probably noone else.

[Dirtydeeds468]

...Just saw the basement Buckethead video.

W

T

F

WTF.

WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF.

[Resiliance]

she did the loving you song, i wanna say it was mia but i'm probably wrong.

Minnie Riperton :) She had a 5 octave reach.

[Freepower]

I'm pretty sure that's what most singers can do. Freddy Mercury could do 4 (Which is the most I ever heard of). I can barely do 1.

Jim Gillette of Nitro - "the highest" had a 6 octave range, afaik. I've heard of 8, but only in whispers about 1337 fat black women vox.

[PooKoo]

Minnie Riperton :) She had a 5 octave reach.

minnie, that's it.

[public property]

8 octaves? wouldn't that go above / below your hearing range? in which case the said singer wouldn't be able to practice with it because they couldn't hear it :P

[Freepower]

^ the guy with the worlds lowest voice can go well infrasonic, seen him once on telly. Perhaps they can still feel if it's in tune?

And btw, guys, i cut my hair a coupla days ago and it's short again. In case you care. :p:

[PooKoo]

post pics yo

[Freepower]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/freepower/truelove.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/freepower/mefling.jpg

Is me!

And the guy on top of me is my friend Cian, who is one of THE coolest people ever. Despite not being Asian or muso like the others.

[PooKoo]

i like yo' short hair.

[Godly Moose]

...Just saw the basement Buckethead video.

W

T

F

WTF.

WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF.


lol this one? http://youtube.com/watch?v=dH5dzEappFc

In case anyone is wondering yes, that is Buckethead with the see through mask on the synth, the guy with the mustache is Jas Obrecht an editor(or something from Guitar Player) from Guitar Player magazine.

[TheUltimateSin]

Announcement:

So after a quick talk with Resi about it, I've decided to host the shred forum's Second Annual Awards program. But there is one prerequisite: We must have a little more support over it this time around. Keep in mind that this is just a fun little thing for our humble forum and all is meant in good fun, not to be taken too seriously. It won't be for several months yet, seeing as we need to complete the passage of a year from our first one before we can have a second, but I thought I would take the liberty of announcing it now to see how much support we can get on it over the next couple of months. I still have the list of all of the awards we used for the last one, and I will be open to suggestions for new ones when we get this rolling(I will make a thread for suggestions like I did last year). As with last year, I will be counting the votes again this year pending we have it again, so no one needs to worry about who is counting all of the votes. I had no problem doing it last year, and have no problem doing it again this year.

So if anyone is interested in supporting the idea again for this year, post so in here and PM me(in case I miss your post in this thread) and I will keep track with a list of members via MS Word.


/Announcement

[thefoldarsoldar]

I just started coming here recently and I found that award thread from last year you're talking about (with my handy dandy search bar) and it seems like a fun idea to me, but what if I don't know what to put for a category like "least helpful user" or "best SF moment"? Should I just leave them blank?

[TheUltimateSin]

but what if I don't know what to put for a category like "least helpful user" or "best SF moment"? Should I just leave them blank?

Yes. That will help keep the votes as accurate as possible. You don't have to vote for every catagory, just the ones you can.

And I must also add, excellent use of the search function to locate the thread :)

[Freepower]

I'm up for it.

Also, how about a "Best tits" award for the most attractive user?

[TheUltimateSin]

Also, how about a "Best tits" award for the most attractive user?

Rofflewaffle

Also, I epicly bumped the Guitar Hero story thread with another one of my awesome installments, because I know you guys have just been dying to know what I had created in my spare time again. :)

[Freepower]

^ so i was just looking at the word "Hermafrodite" in your sig, and then i thought -

"Lol, hermafrodite! Resi likes big hair, not ladyboys!"

And then thought "Lol, Hermafrodite, greek godess of ebony lovin'!".

Have these thoughts occured to anyone else or am i just really slow?

[TheUltimateSin]

I think you're just really slow. Those are part of the reason why I dug to locate that quote :p:

[HammerForce]

^^FP, I'm with you on the thoughts about hermafrodite, it's quite an amusing concept. Oh, and US I really liked all of your stories, that thread is awesomely funny.

[TheUltimateSin]

Oh, and US I really liked all of your stories, that thread is awesomely funny.

Maybe I should quit guitar and just write epic novels then, eh? :p:






/obviously kidding

[HammerForce]

Or even better, you could keep playing guitar, write epic novels as well and then convert them into 30minute long oddyssey style songs! The world definitely needs more of that.

[Godly Moose]

I'm up for it again. :)

[TheUltimateSin]

Or even better, you could keep playing guitar, write epic novels as well and then convert them into 30minute long oddyssey style songs! The world definitely needs more of that.

Hmmmm. Your point is well said :)

I'm up for it again. :)

Added to the support list :)

[PooKoo]

i'm in.

[hepzibahbaptist]

Announcement:

So after a quick talk with Resi about it, I've decided to host the shred forum's Second Annual Awards program. But there is one prerequisite: We must have a little more support over it this time around. Keep in mind that this is just a fun little thing for our humble forum and all is meant in good fun, not to be taken too seriously. It won't be for several months yet, seeing as we need to complete the passage of a year from our first one before we can have a second, but I thought I would take the liberty of announcing it now to see how much support we can get on it over the next couple of months. I still have the list of all of the awards we used for the last one, and I will be open to suggestions for new ones when we get this rolling(I will make a thread for suggestions like I did last year). As with last year, I will be counting the votes again this year pending we have it again, so no one needs to worry about who is counting all of the votes. I had no problem doing it last year, and have no problem doing it again this year.

So if anyone is interested in supporting the idea again for this year, post so in here and PM me(in case I miss your post in this thread) and I will keep track with a list of members via MS Word.


/Announcement
I'm in. Besides, yall said I might win one thats not the "sorry he didnt get an award but if he did it prolly wouldnt be one worth anything anyway"

[TheUltimateSin]

Pookster and hepzi added to the list :)

[TheUltimateSin]

:eek: Dbl-post required for this awesomeness!




(plus my computer keeps freezing when I try to edit my above post :()

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/218/loleh1.jpg


/epic awesome 666 channel views for PK on youtube

>_>

[PooKoo]

lmao ily acronyms ftw

and rofl at me being 28.

[Godly Moose]

:eek: Dbl-post required for this awesomeness!




(plus my computer keeps freezing when I try to edit my above post :()

insertpagestrechingimage


/epic awesome 666 channel views for PK on youtube

>_>

Oh lawd.

[HammerForce]

:eek: Dbl-post required for this awesomeness!




(plus my computer keeps freezing when I try to edit my above post :()

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/218/loleh1.jpg


/epic awesome 666 channel views for PK on youtube

>_>

Teh Aw3sumz0rz!!

Oh, and I'm in for another shred forum awards....

[TheUltimateSin]

Added :)

[Hidde]

I'd join in. Where can I see a list of the categories?

[TheUltimateSin]

I'd join in. Where can I see a list of the categories?

Added.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398647

That is the thread from last year's :)

[Stratwizard]

Least Helpful User - Stratwizard

Least Favorite User - Stratwizard

Biggest a-hole - Stratwizard

:haha Looks like I somehow pissed waylay off.

Anyway, I'm in. Although, I believe I never saw the results thread from last year or was there even one? Someone give me a link?

[tubab0y]

i'm in.

EDIT: you really need to sig that.

[TheUltimateSin]

:haha Looks like I somehow pissed waylay off.

Anyway, I'm in. Although, I believe I never saw the results thread from last year or was there even one? Someone give me a link?

Do you mean this (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435135&highlight=results) thread?

[Stratwizard]

Thanks. :cheers:

[TheUltimateSin]

No problem :)


I, for one, am actually interested to see how much things will change from last year. So I hope we can get plenty more support over the idea.

[Beckerism]

Slightly on topic. I can't really think of anything that has defined the past year on this forum. Too many Slash/DT threads, which is usual I guess. Is there anything that I'm overlooking? Pretty "blah" year it seems to me.

[TheUltimateSin]

Yeah. Nothing of the magnitude of Azxownz :(

[Beckerism]

Nothing of the magnitude of really anything. :p:

[hepzibahbaptist]

Whats up with all the stupid threads?

[Axegrinder#9]

my respect & admiration for Guthrie Govan keeps increasing with every passing day

[Beckerism]

Whats up with all the stupid threads?

Hey, how's it going? I don't remember having seeing you again until recently. :p:

[Godly Moose]

Yeah, this place just seems so much more timid.

[Resiliance]

Pfff, whiners.

[TheUltimateSin]

For the record: when I said "nothing of the magnitude of", I was referring to the sheer awesomeness that was the event. There is still plenty of activity.

Pfff, whiners.


Be it wrong to crave excitement? :p:

[Scorzerci]

So I saw Paul Gilbert last night.
He KICKED ASS!
I managed to catch the pick that he played the entire gig with except for the last two songs of the encore (Foxy Lady and You kids). I took quite a few pictures, but unfortunately the memory card ran out of space halfway through the concert and I wasn't gonna look through old pictures to see which ones I could delete. I'll upload them later.

[Resiliance]

Did he play his Marshalls? If so, what did they sound like?

Be it wrong to crave excitement? :p:
As a mod, my job is to prevent most of it :p:

[Scorzerci]

Yup played with the marshalls. I didn't notice anything different about his tone, so I don't think they made much of a difference.
What date is the concert you're going to?

[TheUltimateSin]

As a mod, my job is to prevent most of it :p:

Oh you're such a bastard :p:


And Scorzerci, I hate you so very, very much right now. :p:

[Scorzerci]

:p:

[TheUltimateSin]

Oh well. I guess I'll have to settle for trying to see Vai this fall when he comes to Minneapolis

[hepzibahbaptist]

I was in drop D the other day, and I felt like playing some TD. I played it forgetting I was in drop D and it sounded awful. So I just figured out the notes for drop D and played it. I had to play it slower this way. So I figured out the notes to where it would be in the same position. It sounded pretty cool.

[TheUltimateSin]

Has anyone ever seen This Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryhTrYPgZs&mode=related&search=) before?

I honestly really liked it.

[HammerForce]

^Never heard him before but I think he may well be my identical hand twin..... Well his fretting hand anyway...

Also, do you think his other stuff on his website is quite Romeo-esque?

[TheUltimateSin]

I honestly can't say. I've not heard a whole lot of his material



In other news, I ordered my Vai tickets yesterday :D

September 19th, here I come baby!

:dance:

[public property]

June 20 - something. So ner! vai five! *smack*

[TheUltimateSin]

lol @ "vai five"

This is the first time(that I am aware of, anyway) that Vai has come anywhere near my location. So of course I would not pass up the opportunity to see him live. After all, how often does he come to Minnesota??

The only thing that could be better was if it was either/also Buckethead and/or Paul Gilbert.



But Gilberto would never come out to these boonies I'm sure :(

[eviledge87]

hey add my support for the next Shred Forum awards

[Axegrinder#9]

oh man I recently saw some videos of Joey Tafolla, somebody needs to help that guy to write a song

[Resiliance]

oh man I recently saw some videos of Joey Tafolla, somebody needs to help that guy to write a song

I really like Blurry Wet Letter as well as Can't Find The Words off of Plastic.

[TheUltimateSin]

hey add my support for the next Shred Forum awards

Done :)

[R4B8I7]

Who's Going To M.C.R. Concert Today In Sask.

[HammerForce]

^Don't expect anyone to answer that, wrong forum by a long way, try pop punk/emo.

Does anyone have any Guthrie Govan songs on mp3 they'd be willing to put up on yousendit? I've only just heard him for the 1st time to day. I've only seen him play 'Wonderful slippery thing' (or at least I think that's what it was called). He is pretty amazing....

Oh, and how much are Suhr guitars?

[Stratwizard]

You can listen some samples on Guthrie's MySpace. Otherwise, I'd recommend to buy the album. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone in SF who wants to share Govan's music for free.

As far as I know Suhrs start on somewhere around 2000$ and the ones that Govan have are around 4000$.

[HammerForce]

^ Fair enough. I was only after 2 or 3 songs to see if the album would be a good investment. Where can I get it?

As for the price of Suhrs, it sounds like you pay for what you get!!

[Stratwizard]

^ Fair enough. I was only after 2 or 3 songs to see if the album would be a good investment. Where can I get it?

As for the price of Suhrs, it sounds like you pay for what you get!!

www.cornfordrecords.com

[Axegrinder#9]

I really like Blurry Wet Letter as well as Can't Find The Words off of Plastic.

I'll check 'em out in that case. I usually aint that judgemental towards guitar players anymore, but man... this guy seems to have written all his songs while downing bottles of anti-depressants or something. at the risk of sounding homophobic, his songs really are gay from the stuff that I heard. like who did he write 'em for? manic depressive suicidal mutant bunnies?

[flamencogod]

Yup played with the marshalls. I didn't notice anything different about his tone, so I don't think they made much of a difference.
What date is the concert you're going to?
really? is Paul Gilbert using marshall nowadays?

[varga88]

Everyones using Marshal!.........i lied....

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Wow, been a while since I've posted up in here lol

and ya? Gilbert + Marshalls these days?
Either way I'm not complaining...

[Stratwizard]

Uhh... Gilbert and Marshall? :(

[Shreddin 4 Life]

well Laney's great too but what's so bad about Marshall? Is it the conformist nature of playing with them or actually the sound?

[Hidde]

Yeah, I like my marshall.

I think Yngwie plays on them (or did back in the day at least)

[flamencogod]

imo a laney sound like a marshall on fire (in a good sense)... but Paul Gilbert would make a squier sound good.

[hamacker]

I never got too big on Marshall amps. I am a Peavey man.

[Dragatear]

^Im a crate man.
(The V series?)

[mexican_shred]

imo a laney sound like a marshall on fire (in a good sense)... but Paul Gilbert would make a squier sound good.
Laney is a hotrodded marshall basically. Better than most marshall tubeys that are out now a days.

gilbert could, hell even the walmart guitars.

[Scorzerci]

Yup Gilbert is using Marshalls now.
"MARSHALL AMPS
The recent G3 tour gave me the opportunity to jam with Joe Satriani and John Petrucci every night for a month. Both Joe and John have amazing tones, and playing with them inspired me to take a closer look at my own guitar sound. My search led me to my new favorite amp: The Marshall Vintage Modern. I'll be playing a pair of Vintage Modern 2266c combo amps on my European tour. If you want real rock tone, try one now!"
from Paul Gilbert's website: http://www.paulgilbert.com/Links.html

[Scorzerci]

PICTURES!
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner1.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner2.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner4.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner6.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner7.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner8.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner9.jpg

[Scorzerci]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner10.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner11.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner12.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner13.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner14.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/paulGilbert-ChristianFougner5.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/scorzerci/PaulGilbert-ChristianFougner.jpg

[TheUltimateSin]

:eek:


Awesome! Nice shots.

:dance:

[Freepower]

Noice. :D

[TheUltimateSin]

I still hate you for being there though......



......You bastard, you......



:)

[Stratwizard]

Great pics man. Thanks for sharing them! :cheers:

Paul has a new HSS guitar?

[tubab0y]

he used laneys when i saw him (unless he hid the marshall somewhere, doubt it.) sounded great.

nice pics, though.

[flamencogod]

it weird to see him playing marshall... but as long as his playing sound equally good you don't hear me complaining.

I got my tickets for the show in tilburg 30th may... Finally gonna see my hero!

Bruce didn't play along at your show? I heard he was gonna play along this tour!

[TheUltimateSin]

Damnit. Why is everyone getting to see Paul except me? :mad:

[Stratwizard]

I'm not seeing Paul either, and not even Vai... :(

[TheUltimateSin]

Well...I suppose that I at least get to see Vai. That will be awesome enough as it is.





I just wish Paul would swing out to these parts too. Or at least some place remotely close :(

[Stratwizard]

Well, Paul and Steve both skipped Scandinavia. Hell, if either one of them would've even come to Sweden I probably would've went there to see them, but no.

[tubab0y]

steve is skipping anywhere remotely near me.

but bruce was awesome with paul!

[Scorzerci]

Great pics man. Thanks for sharing them! :cheers:

Paul has a new HSS guitar?
Yup. It's pretty much a Pgm 301, just with a neck single coil, an tilt neck joint and a painted white neck.

it weird to see him playing marshall... but as long as his playing sound equally good you don't hear me complaining.

I got my tickets for the show in tilburg 30th may... Finally gonna see my hero!

Bruce didn't play along at your show? I heard he was gonna play along this tour!
Bruce couldn't come along on the tour due to "budget issues" or something like that. I'll try to find the statement he made on his website.
EDIT: It's no longer on his website, but this is the statement that he made:
The band members are:

Me: Lead Guitar, Lead Vocals
Mike Szuter: Lead Bass, Lead Vocals
Jeff Bowders: Lead Drums
Emi Gilbert: Lead Keyboards, Lead Vocals

P.S. I want to thank Bruce Bouillet for playing incredible guitar on my Japan and G3 tours this year. I had previously announced that Bruce would be playing guitar on my tour of Europe as well. Due to budget constraints I won't be able to bring Bruce this time. I'm sorry for any confusion my first announcement may have caused. I was so excited about touring in Europe that I made the announcement before I had all the details. I'll try to be more careful next time!
I guarantee that Mike, Jeff, Emi and I will still ROCK HARD. My guitar hands are seriously warmed-up from G3, and we are adding several new songs to our show specially for Europe! And again, thanks to Bruce. We will play together again someday!

I also want to thank everyone from Europe who sent their song requests to me. I have added many songs to our show that I have rarely played live before. You asked, so I'm happy to play them! I'll see you soon with an electric guitar in my hands and a giant pedalboard at my feet.

LET'S ROCK.

Paul

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Damnit. Why is everyone getting to see Paul except me? :mad:

Aw cheer up man, I didn't get to see him either...

[HammerForce]

^ I'm not gonna get to go, the closest he's coming to me is Leeds, which isn't exactly close to Edinburgh..... :(

[Shreddin 4 Life]

ya, it sux that some of these artists can only go to so many places...without reaching most of their fanbase :(

[TheUltimateSin]

ya, it sux that some of these artists can only go to so many places...without reaching most of their fanbase :(


Well, I suppose it doesn't help if a large portion of their fanbase are stuck out in the boonies :(

[jazz_croatia]

Just seen Paul last night. He signed my hi-top. I think of it as a success.

[Scorzerci]

http://rapidshare.com/users/8DF69R
LOTS of backing tracks

[Freepower]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9297686#post9297686

This should be fun for you chaps. :D

[paddyo]

Hey dudes, how's life around these parts? I havent been here in so long! Anything change? Nothing amazing happen?

[Freepower]

I rather cut my hair. And i've been in Dublin quite a bit recently, may even be living there next year - must meet up, you and i!

[Axegrinder#9]

eat this and die motha$$$$as

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoJRlok3Ezk&mode=related&search=

[Stratwizard]

Yeah, Medeski Martin & Wood are great. Been listening them for quite a while now. :)

[eviledge87]

has anyone heard of the band the scream? i may have mentioned them before, anyway bruce bouillet played guitar for them and their cd Let It Scream is awesome you should check it out. Although Bruce sounds very different as far as style goes from his Racer X days.

[Resiliance]

Yeah, I like The Scream, it has more of a bluesy side to Bruce's playing than in his Racer X days imo.

[eviledge87]

Bruce plays some awesome slide guitar on Let It Scream as well.

[TheUltimateSin]

Well, nothing quite makes you think about your life more when you almost die twice within the a span of one week :)

[Freepower]

^ ?!?!!

[TheUltimateSin]

^Oh yes. I have almost died twice within the last week.

To understand the visual for the first incident, you must know these key pieces of information: Most everyone who lives in my small town works in a larger town about 6 miles away, so there is a nice stretch of highway between the two towns. I live in an area that is mostly farmland, and it is quite hilly so the highways weave around the hills. Which means many curves on the road.

Earlier last week when on my way back from dropping a friend off at work, I was coming around a corner on the highway chugging along at a steady 65 mph. Maybe 300 feet ahead of me, coming at me around this corner at the same speed, was a semitruck trying to pass another semitruck. Both had full-length trailers. Some of you might realize how long it takes one semitruck to pass another, and thus would see my predicament. So I had to slam on my brakes and try pulling off the road as far as I could without going into the ditch and watch these two things whiz past me only seconds later.

Incident #2 occured just last night when I almost had a heart attack that could have killed me.

[Godly Moose]

That sucks. :(

[PooKoo]

Yeah, Medeski Martin & Wood are great. Been listening them for quite a while now. :)
lurvv them
and my sympathies man, i've only almost died once, not nearly as extreme, but it is a pretty much terrible experience.

[TheUltimateSin]

At this rate, I'd honestly be surprised to see myself make it to even 25.

[Freepower]

^ or to put it in the terms of Naruto -

"At this rate, i will surely....................................DIE!"

Seriously - you might want to avoid black cats, 13s, and most importantly, sudden death.

Incident #2 occured just last night when I almost had a heart attack that could have killed me.

$$$$.

Aren't you a little young for almost having heart attacks? Or is this a figure of speech? Because we are seriously shocked.

Also, i've never nearly died. My kung fu is too strong and i stay inside, don't drive, don't drink, don't smoke... you get the picture.

[hepzibahbaptist]

At this rate, I'd honestly be surprised to see myself make it to even 25.
I hope you dont die. I hope that makes you feel better.

[TheUltimateSin]

$$$$.

Aren't you a little young for almost having heart attacks? Or is this a figure of speech? Because we are seriously shocked.

No, it was not a figure of speech. I meant it literally. And I was as shocked and confused about it as you probably are, because I:

Don't drink
Don't smoke
Eat reletively healthy for the most part

So I was pretty much at a loss for words when they told me that's what happened.

I was under the impression that the odds of 19 yr olds having them were exponentially low

I hope you dont die. I hope that makes you feel better.

Thanks :)

[Freepower]

^ $$$$. I hope the odds of recurrance are as freakish as the first. I wish you naught but the best.

[hepzibahbaptist]

No, it was not a figure of speech. I meant it literally. And I was as shocked and confused about it as you probably are, because I:

Don't drink
Don't smoke
Eat reletively healthy for the most part

So I was pretty much at a loss for words when they told me that's what happened.

I was under the impression that the odds of 19 yr olds having them were exponentially low



Thanks :)
I love you.

I'm sorry did I make you uncomfortable. Good! :devil:

[TheUltimateSin]

^ $$$$. I hope the odds of recurrance are as freakish as the first. I wish you naught but the best.

I hope so as well. I don't know anybody remotely close to my age that has ever had anything like this occur to them.


I love you.

I'm sorry did I make you uncomfortable. Good! :devil:

:haha Thanks a lot man

[PooKoo]

man, i hope things work out for you.
Dying sucks.
And i dont' smoke or drink or eat too unhealthily either, mine was a drowning incident.

[TheUltimateSin]

Dying sucks.

You think so?

:haha

[Shreddin 4 Life]

wow man that rly sucks...(sry fer being so redundant)

but yeah, what can't kill u can only make u stronger right? :P:

[hamacker]

I dip snuff.

[PooKoo]

You think so?

:haha

well, i mean, in most cases, right?
hahahaha

[garden of grey]

At this rate, I'd honestly be surprised to see myself make it to even 25.


:confused:

If they are still uncertain, it could have just been a one-time freak accident.


Best luck to you, though. Without you, who would post the bullshit-meters?

[PooKoo]

or the resi signals?

[TheUltimateSin]

Aww, someone remembered my bullshit meters :heart:


And of course, the Resi Signal(s) :)

[Axegrinder#9]

Yeah, Medeski Martin & Wood are great. Been listening them for quite a while now. :)

and PooKoo too? I'd never have known. Maybe there's some hope in here...

and yea all you guys who're dying and such - don't. :cool:

[garden of grey]

Aww, someone remembered my bullshit meters :heart:





I will love you if you give me those beautiful dual wielding swords you have. ;)

[TheUltimateSin]

I will love you if you give me those beautiful dual wielding swords you have. ;)

Absofuckinglutely not! :mad:


I am taking those to my GRAVE!

[Axegrinder#9]

out of curiosity has anyone played the JS100? the one with the Edge III bridge? as opposed to the higher end JS1000/1200 which have Edge Pros?

I mean the only reason I'm not looking to invest in the JS100 is because of the bridge. I had an Ibanez RG350DX which I recently sold off.. playing on it was frustrating - the playability was flimsy and even lightly resting your hands on the bridge would cause the pitch of the notes to alter, muting seemed to be terribly hard.

And now if the JS100 or even the higher model have similar bridges, I'm not sure they'll ever be compatible with my style of playing - the RG350DX seemed to be tailor made for legato playing. Any thoughts on this?

On the side note, I'm looking to invest in the P44 from Parker, the guitars are made in Korea but assembled and set up in the US. Incredibly versatile guitars, and from the research that I've been doing, they seem uber hip.

Alternatively, I've been licking my lips everytime I've gone on the Carvin page and looked at the Allan Holdsworth signature H2 models. Those guitars seemed to have been made my God herself (PJ) and perfected for playing by a demi-god. I'm just afraid that it might cater solely to a jazz-fusion oriented sound, which though not bad by any means, may dictate what I play too much - which I dunno is good or bad.

Anyway, if any of you guys have either played any of the above 3 guitars, your feedback on them will be greatly appreciated.

[garden of grey]

Avoid the edge III all together.

I don't care what else is in the guitar, unless you are willing to spend another $400 to get a decent bridge + routing in there, don't do it.


The thing will stay in tune for half a year, tops. For a cheaper guitar with an OFR, you could look into Carvin. For about $800 you can start out with an OFR on most style bodies of guitars.

[PooKoo]

and PooKoo too? I'd never have known. Maybe there's some hope in here...

and yea all you guys who're dying and such - don't. :cool:

yeah man, mmw's great.
You basically got me into umphrey's mcgee too, so for that, thank you.

[Axegrinder#9]

my pleasure.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Absofuckinglutely not! :mad:


I am taking those to my GRAVE!

:haha:
I could totally see that happening :p:

[tubab0y]

the GFS bridges are cheap, and from what i hear are the good kind of cheap- the knife edges are harder than the pivots, which is the way you want it. but parkers are amazing, too.

[Axegrinder#9]

how come nobody's mentioned anything about the band Riverside here? Apparently a lot of people seem to think they're the next big thing on the prog scene. Anybody really heard 'em here?

[TheUltimateSin]

^I've heard the name before, but not anything by them.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

never heard the name nor any of their tunes as a result...

[PooKoo]

how come nobody's mentioned anything about the band Riverside here? Apparently a lot of people seem to think they're the next big thing on the prog scene. Anybody really heard 'em here?

they alwaysss get mentioned in the pt threads, but i can never find any of their songs to check out.

[public property]

youtube is thriving with them

[NevermorePsalm]

Yeah, Medeski Martin & Wood are great. Been listening them for quite a while now. :)

Oh my. I thought I was one of the few had listened to them. Soooo good. My guitar teacher turned me on to them a long time ago. Been quite a long time since I've listening to them. /acoustic whoring. But I'll give them a listen again, they were great before. I don't know why I come to this forum ahah. I don't listen to much shred nor prog anymore. But ya know. You're all still my favorites.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

guess I'll have to look more extensively into 'em!

[Erc]

I don't know why I come to this forum ahah. I don't listen to much shred nor prog anymore. But ya know. You're all still my favorites.

These are my sentiments exactly.

I only listen to some DT and Andromeda periodically, and I can't remember the last time I listened to Satch or Vai 0_o.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

:O how come?










lol I'm just kidding of course, tastes change - it's inevitable!

[PooKoo]

yeah same, i mostly listen to... well, everything.
My only heavy tie to this place other than you lovely people, is porcupine tree.

[public property]

I'd like to see more big band work in shred, not really jazz or fusion, something more classical, but not neo classical. unless the lines are really well thought out, I need a big band to really keep me intrested. Like zappa, with the xylophones rolling up and down and a little guitar riff in the middle, with a bass line complimenting it underneath, doubled vocal harmonies. keyboards giving ambience, some wierd saxophone or flute lead melody and the drums keeping a sexy rythmn in the background, makes me feel like solo guitar is so thin.

Also actually writing this stuff is the most fun anyone can have imo.

[TheUltimateSin]

I'd like to see more big band work in shred, not really jazz or fusion, something more classical, but not neo classical. unless the lines are really well thought out, I need a big band to really keep me intrested. Like zappa, with the xylophones rolling up and down and a little guitar riff in the middle, with a bass line complimenting it underneath, doubled vocal harmonies. keyboards giving ambience, some wierd saxophone or flute lead melody and the drums keeping a sexy rythmn in the background, makes me feel like solo guitar is so thin.

Also actually writing this stuff is the most fun anyone can have imo.


I'd agree, especially with the writing bit. I wish I could write songs like that :(

[Stratwizard]

I totally agree with you PP and I think his new line-up can offer something a bit like that.

Anybody getting his new album? It'll be out on 26th of June.

[Erc]

Look, I'm cool! I trashed my rock lobster and have replaced him with monk!

Awesome.

[TheUltimateSin]

Look, I'm cool! I trashed my rock lobster.

:(

That's almost as sad as when Resi tried switching avatars for a while.

...:(

[Resiliance]

:(

That's almost as sad as when Resi tried switching avatars for a while.

...:(

I never tried anything. I got caught up in the wrath of the powers that be.

[public property]

I totally agree with you PP and I think his new line-up can offer something a bit like that.

Anybody getting his new album? It'll be out on 26th of June.

Well I feel obliged to get it since I was at the recording of it :) and it'll be sweet as a hookers tits.

[\GuitarHero/]

I'd just like to say thanks to the creator of this thread :) It's helped me a lot.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

I'd like to see more big band work in shred, not really jazz or fusion, something more classical, but not neo classical. unless the lines are really well thought out, I need a big band to really keep me intrested. Like zappa, with the xylophones rolling up and down and a little guitar riff in the middle, with a bass line complimenting it underneath, doubled vocal harmonies. keyboards giving ambience, some wierd saxophone or flute lead melody and the drums keeping a sexy rythmn in the background, makes me feel like solo guitar is so thin.

Also actually writing this stuff is the most fun anyone can have imo.

QFT
writing tunes is so much fun; there's nothing like lotsa layers in music :p:
too bad I'm not very well acquainted with big-band style music :(

[Stratwizard]

I'd just like to say thanks to the creator of this thread :) It's helped me a lot.

Well, he got banned a long time ago.

[Axegrinder#9]

^rather unfortunate that I might add.

[TheUltimateSin]

I never tried anything. I got caught up in the wrath of the powers that be.

Suuuurrreee ya did.....


:p:

[Stratwizard]

Judging from the songs on their MySpace page Riverside is nothing spectacular IMO. Quite uninspired songwriting, weak singer and the guitar stuff sounded somewhat sloppy. They're like a bad Opeth rip-off with a lot less versatility. Just my 2 cents. :)

[public property]

yeah the guitar playing was on par to a nu metal band....

[Shreddin 4 Life]

well personally that doesn't bother me lol
but I see whatcha mean...

[Resiliance]

^rather unfortunate that I might add.

How so?

[Axegrinder#9]

funny guy he was.

[flamencogod]

oh the good old masterofshred days... funny little fuccer he was.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

well I wasn't around when he was so I wouldn't know...

[TheUltimateSin]

Ah, good times. Good times....

[Freepower]

^ really? I think he was nowt special, tbh. Seemed pretty immature and good at hiding it most of the time, which is a combination i dislike.

[TheUltimateSin]

^That's what made it entertaining. I didn't like him very much at all, he just provided some entertaining comments.

[Freepower]

Oh, well, i suppose then i just found him mostly unfunny as well as a bit twattish.

[Gordon guitar]

this lad in my school said shredding is easy is it?

[Resiliance]

Ehm... No. Not in the least.

[Freepower]

this lad in my school said shredding is easy is it?

Only if you believe that slop is shred. :p:

[Kailoq]

^Or if your definitions of shred is pretty screwed up, ex: hitting random notes fast, string noise counts as notes too!!!1

[Resiliance]

That's wanking :p:

[public property]

My string noise always goes over my bed and I have to change my sheets.
Btw just got the 3 disc shut up 'n play yer guitar box :)

[Shreddin 4 Life]

My string noise always goes over my bed and I have to change my sheets.

What? :confused:

[flamencogod]

seeing Pablo Gilberto tonight @ 013 in Tilburg (Holland), this WILL be a kick-ass show!

[Axegrinder#9]

which Zappa albums did Adrian Belew play on?

[flamencogod]

1979 baby snakes (dvd)
1979 sheik yerbouti
1988 you can't do that on stage anymore vol. 1
1992 you can't do that on stage anymore vol. 6
2004 QuADUDIOPHILIAc

imo some of Zappa's best work: The dvd and sheik yerbouti are still some of my favourite Zappa-records.

Edit: I'm right now listening to "broadway the hard way". Man! I always forget how great it is!

[Baroque_and_Rol]

whatever happened to Apocalypse13?

[Shreddin 4 Life]

yes Zappa was quite the musician! And rly good with words lol
anyone seen any interviews done with him on youtube concerning the censorship of lyrics in music (specifically in rock/metal)?

[Resiliance]

^The crossfire debate is a classic.

[flamencogod]

yeah, those were great.

Did anyone read his autobiographical book? I own a copy and it's really funny, although I don't care so much about USA politics and economy.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

oh yes!
I thought itwas so great how Frank just kept his cool fer the whole thing and then that arse straight-up called him an idiot to his face. Then Frank proceeded to tell him to kiss his ass!
Ah it was great. I also like the one where he was on Larry King talking about his book.

^ can't say that I have read the book...it must be hard to find (especially here in Canada)

[Stratwizard]

yeah, those were great.

Did anyone read his autobiographical book? I own a copy and it's really funny, although I don't care so much about USA politics and economy.

Yes, I've read his biography by Barry Miles, which by the way owns all the other Zappa biographies.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

what about the one by Zappa himself (the one we were talking about)

[TheUltimateSin]

^That would be an auto-biography ;)

[public property]

The first 11 notes of shut up 'n play yer guitar some more are genius, incredibly simple but very touching :)

[Resiliance]

yeah, those were great.

Did anyone read his autobiographical book? I own a copy and it's really funny, although I don't care so much about USA politics and economy.

Yeah, I've got it. Funny stuff.

[HammerForce]

I just watched the crossfire debate. I can't believe how prescient Zappa was, what with the whole Fascist Theocracy thing... Just look at the States at the moment!!

[Shreddin 4 Life]

^That would be an auto-biography ;)

oops my bad :p:


I just watched the crossfire debate. I can't believe how prescient Zappa was, what with the whole Fascist Theocracy thing... Just look at the States at the moment!!

I know!!! I nearly crapped my pants when I heard that :p:
But seriously tho that was one damn good statement

[PooKoo]

whatever happened to Apocalypse13?

Still talk to him on aim sometimes.
He writes techno, like me, rollerblades, and listens to death metal still.

[garden of grey]

^ He is on Heavy Metal Society, also.

He posts there a lot.

[\GuitarHero/]

I gots a shred question.
What's that thing called when you take your fretting hand and move it really fast from below the fretboard to above it and hitting strings? It sorta looks like you're slapping it but I don't know. MAB does it in speed kills.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

u mean string skipping?

[SnowballofDoom]

I gots a shred question.
What's that thing called when you take your fretting hand and move it really fast from below the fretboard to above it and hitting strings? It sorta looks like you're slapping it but I don't know. MAB does it in speed kills.

Being flashy; it's a MAB thing.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Being flashy; it's a MAB thing.

:haha :haha :haha
that's true

[\GuitarHero/]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6562022902883459403&q=Speed+kills

He does it at like 1:49.

[Erc]

Thats his bloody "over under" technique, or something with that sort of name. It isn't really a technique it's just a trick.

Heh...the only good thing about that speed kills video is around 2:40 - 2:50 where it starts reminding me of F-zero.

[flamencogod]

wow, Paul Gilbert was ****ing great!

Played a lot of my favourite songs, racer x, mr big and solo stuff + foxy lady by God Hendrix.

****ing amazing show, I've got myself a cool get out of my yard poster!

[im_hungry]

Still talk to him on aim sometimes.
He writes techno, like me, rollerblades, and listens to death metal still.
Does he still play guitar?

[Stratwizard]

Techno... eww. :(

[Axegrinder#9]

^ as long as you differentiate electronica, psychedelic trance, or downtempo chill music from techno - you are qualified to make that statement.

[Stratwizard]

Of course I do, goddamnit. :p: I'm a big fan of electronic music and I hate when people think techno = electro.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

well techno would be cool if it wasn't so damn repetitive :p:

[Freepower]

Anyone here like emo?

Seriously.

[Resiliance]

No.

[Stratwizard]

I don't know, really. I think it's just another genre for me; I don't really like it or have a strong dislike for it like a lot of people seem to do.

[Scorzerci]

I found out today that one of the girls in my class' cousin plays tuba in TSO.

[Erc]

Not a fan of emo, it's mostly the vocal aspect of it, it's a little thin for my taste, and I much rather prefer a more "rounded" tone.

BTW Getting your wisdom teeth pulled seriously sucks. =( I really REALLY hate being drugged up.

[Freepower]

^ ooh, ouch. You have wisdom teeth up yet? I thought you were younger than me and mine aint proper up. I'm 18 btw, nearly 19. :)

[public property]

wisdom teeth don't have to come through at all, some people get them in their 40's.

and to make this on shred topic, hitting your wisdom teeth with a tuning fork plays the xavian scale backwards.

[Freepower]

Speaking of shred, has anyone got a copy of this album?

Paris Hilton's "Paris"

Adam uses guesses, misinformation and outright lies to review music he's never heard.
by Adam Brown

It's an unfortunate reality in modern music that sometimes great albums go completely unnoticed. Sadly, that will probably be the case with Paris, the riff heavy debut album from little known hard rock newcomer Paris Hilton. Recorded on a shoestring budget using her own money (reportedly earned while working at a hotel in some capacity), "Paris" is nothing short of a modern rock masterpiece. An unrelenting, uncompromising vision of what rock and roll in the 21st century should be. Unfortunately, it's that failure to compromise and conform to the pre-packaged pop music standards of today that will ultimately spell doom for this album. Commercially, anyway. In a world where whorish heiresses are famous just for being famous, and ****ty actresses crank out multi-platinum ****ty albums, there is no room on the charts for a scrappy indie rock phenom like Paris Hilton. And that, my friends, is a tragedy.

Throughout it's 11 devil horn worthy tracks, Paris hearkens back to better days when rock and roll ruled the world. The opening track, "Turn It Up", is a tour de force of memorable riffs, face melting guitar solos and an anthemic chorus on par with Queen's "We Will Rock You". It's the kind of song that starts bar fights. It's mosh pit energy serves as the perfect segue into "Fightin' Over Me", a balls to the wall rock and roll pain train filled with punk rock distortion and heavy metal attitude. And that train never stops rolling for the remainder of the album. Yeah!!

While Hilton's songwriting abilities are practically unmatched in modern music, it's her guitar prowess that really stands out. Earlier this year, a popular rumor spread via the internet amongst Hilton's small but passionate fanbase. According to the story, she sold her soul to satan in exchange for guitar lessons from the resurrected corpse of Jimi Hendrix. I can't vouch for the authenticity of this now famous urban legend, but after listening to "Heartbeat", the opening track on side two of Paris, it sure seems plausible to me. The song is an epic, 11 minute display of guitar shreddery that has to be heard to be believed. Remember that scene in that "Crossroads" movie where Ralph Macchio has a guitar duel with that old black dude that turns out to be the devil? Well, imagine if that scene ended with Chuck Norris roundhouse kicking Macchio AND the devil in the face, stealing their guitars, selling them and then using the money to hole up in a seedy motel with four Thai hookers and a pound of blow for the weekend. Yeah, "Heartbeat" is that awesome. Yngwie Malmsteen, you've been warned.

With all of this going for it, you would expect Paris to dominate the charts for months to come. But this is 2006, and rock is dead. Or at least it's dead to anyone looking for real rock on the radio. The rappers and "actresses" have taken over those airwaves and aren't letting go anytime soon. But there are still great rock and roll albums out there, and Paris is one of them. Just don't expect to hear about it on Entertainment Tonight.

[Resiliance]

I bet it sounds like Dragonforce, with all the ProTools and all :p:

[PooKoo]

Anyone here like emo?

Seriously.

a fair bit, yes. Not all of it's bad, and old emotional hardcore (fugazi style) is great sometimes.

Not a serious pleasure, but a guilty one, aye.

Plus, trance >>>>>> all forms of techno.(imo)

[Erc]

You have wisdom teeth up yet? I thought you were younger than me and mine aint proper up. I'm 18 btw, nearly 19.

I'm 16, they were "impounded third molers," and although I'm not very sure on what it actually means, I'm under the impression that they form so they are partly buried (??) and end up popping up at an angle and since had just finished my braces a year ago, we had them surgically removed, meaning plenty of sedation and numbing. (they would have crammed my recently aquired straight teeth)

Throughout it's 11 devil horn worthy tracks, Paris hearkens back to better days when rock and roll ruled the world. The opening track, "Turn It Up", is a tour de force of memorable riffs, face melting guitar solos and an anthemic chorus on par with Queen's "We Will Rock You". It's the kind of song that starts bar fights. It's mosh pit energy serves as the perfect segue into "Fightin' Over Me", a balls to the wall rock and roll pain train filled with punk rock distortion and heavy metal attitude. And that train never stops rolling for the remainder of the album. Yeah!!

:haha:


EDIT --> Anyone familiar with the Dutch Swing College Band? I just encountered them on Youtube and am blown away. If anyone is, and if they do have any, which I suspect they would, could they recommend me some albums?

[Shreddin 4 Life]

I bet it sounds like Dragonforce, with all the ProTools and all :p:

:haha

oddly enuff I was thinking along the same lines :D

[Godly Moose]

Of course I do, goddamnit. :p: I'm a big fan of electronic music and I hate when people think techno = electro.

I personally love House music.

[PooKoo]

same, actually.
Though trance is better!

[eviledge87]

a fair bit, yes. Not all of it's bad, and old emotional hardcore (fugazi style) is great sometimes.

Not a serious pleasure, but a guilty one, aye.

Plus, trance >>>>>> all forms of techno.(imo)

i dig Jimmy Eat World, and then someone told me that they are emo, and then i was confused. But it's good stuff. Emo music is ok, there's worse out there.

Although "emo" seems to be the overly played in thing these days.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

i dig Jimmy Eat World, and then someone told me that they are emo, and then i was confused. But it's good stuff. Emo music is ok, there's worse out there.

Although "emo" seems to be the overly played in thing these days.

+1

I can handle the odd song here & there but other than that...well u get the idea

[PooKoo]

i dig Jimmy Eat World, and then someone told me that they are emo, and then i was confused. But it's good stuff. Emo music is ok, there's worse out there.

Although "emo" seems to be the overly played in thing these days.

I haven't listened to a station other than college broadcast on the radio for like, well over a year now.
So yeah, i wouldn't know.
Besides, most of the better stuff is never played.

[\GuitarHero/]

I don't think Jimmy Eat World is quite emo...They are on the edge though.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

I haven't listened to a station other than college broadcast on the radio for like, well over a year now.
So yeah, i wouldn't know.
Besides, most of the better stuff is never played.

+1

I haven't listened to the radio in a coupla years or so...I hate the way the same artists (and songs) get played over & over, day in day out...
Damn media conglomerates and their payolas... :mad:

[Axegrinder#9]

psychedelic trance (goa trance/downtempo/ambient/progressive) folks, that's where it's at.

It's amazing how many serious guitar players (eg. Steve Hillage of Gong) or Simon Posford (Hallucinogen/Shpongle) just dropped a lotta acid and took to electronic music. Jim Morrison had once prophesized about how a single person would be using technology to create the most innovative and interesting music.

It pisses me off thus, when people diss Satch's "Engines of Creation" for example.

[Stratwizard]

Drum and bass for the win. Trance is just too repetitive and simple to listen for me. As party music it's okay.

[Resiliance]

Gah, I don't like any of the above mentioned styles :(

[PooKoo]

hahah elitist.

Drum and bass is cool, i like most electronica styles actually, but downtempo trance is great, and i don't find it repetative, because when done right, it can be quite innovative and melodic (imo)

[Resiliance]

Elitist? Eh... What? Bad joke I assume :o

[PooKoo]

ya of course!
So resi, who's ya latest musical obsession?

[Axegrinder#9]

Drum and bass for the win. Trance is just too repetitive and simple to listen for me. As party music it's okay.

actually house music is favored over trance (let alone psytrance) in clubs or parties. of course if you're talking about raves, then psytrance rules. I think when people think of or listen to trance music initially - the reaction is the same as when a newcomer or a non-listener is exposed, to say, metal. but if one listens to it, one starts discerning the different layers of sound, and the sophisticated melodies and arrangements that are going on. and on that note, a lot of death metal or grindcore artists, produce dark-psy trance music.

Resi, now you must die. seriously, listen to Shpongle (any damn album) or Hallucinogen, especially the album called "In Dub". Alternatively if you don't dig either too much, you can always try taking the backdoor to psytrance, by listening to the Disco Biscuits or Ozric Tentacles (both I recommend to the highest degree).