** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[thefoldarsoldar]

So now I'm the 10,000th reply?

thefoldaredit: YES

sweet, I'm on the 251st page!

[Resiliance]

So now I'm the 10,000th reply?

thefoldaredit: YES

sweet, I'm on the 251st page!

You're 10001, loser.

[Stratwizard]

^No Resi, you are.

[tubab0y]

No, Resi is 10000 and 10002.

[Resiliance]

No, Resi is 10000

This being the important part, of course.

[Freepower]

Speaking of pages -

I'm on the second page of google for "freepower" and i'm on the second page of UG's top posters. :D

The things i take pride in, eh?

There was that time people deleted a forum so that people couln't hear about me getting banned on another forum for saying "******" and "chink". And chink isn't even a bad word, really. :p:

[thefoldarsoldar]

You're 10001, loser.


I'm the 10,000 reply though.

:peace:

Oh, and in regards to Freepower being a top poster and whatnot, I think he should be modded so he could intimidate newbies with his vast amount of technical knowledge :D

[Resiliance]

I'm the 10,000 reply though.

:peace:

Oh, and in regards to Freepower being a top poster and whatnot, I think he should be modded so he could intimidate newbies with his vast amount of technical knowledge :D

You don't have the 10000 number top right of your 10001 post. :peace:

[thefoldarsoldar]

:sad:

[tubab0y]

Speaking of pages -

I'm on the second page of google for "freepower" and i'm on the second page of UG's top posters. :D

The things i take pride in, eh?

There was that time people deleted a forum so that people couln't hear about me getting banned on another forum for saying "******" and "chink". And chink isn't even a bad word, really. :p:
I'm on the...top third of the third page. Not bad considering you've been here a bit longer than me.

I've got more posts than Resi.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

I'm on the...top third of the third page. Not bad considering you've been here a bit longer than me.

I've got more posts than Resi.

sometimes fewer words have greater meanings & importance :p:

[tubab0y]

Oh shut up, you just feel bad and are extremely jealous.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

um...o...k...

no offense but that was lame even as a joke :peace:

[insideac]

I'm on the...top third of the third page. Not bad considering you've been here a bit longer than me.

I've got more posts than Resi.


If you google "Insideac" I have quite a few pages.

[Resiliance]

I've got more posts than Resi.

How do you figure?

[tubab0y]

Oops, meant xifr.

[Freepower]

Lol, easy mistake to make

Resi = very similar to xifr :p:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9983295#post9983295

The first of many!

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Lol, easy mistake to make

Resi = very similar to xifr :p:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9983295#post9983295

The first of many!

cool man!

[duggyrocks]

Question:

Do guys like Vai, Satch and Gilbert write all the parts to their songs? Even drums? Or do they just say something like "Give me a 4/4 beat with some double bass going on"?

[johnny_tapia]

Question:

Do guys like Vai, Satch and Gilbert write all the parts to their songs? Even drums? Or do they just say something like "Give me a 4/4 beat with some double bass going on"?
I don't think that Satch, Vai or Gilbert play drums so yes they probably just tell the drummer what to do. As usual :p:

[Freepower]

Question:

Do guys like Vai, Satch and Gilbert write all the parts to their songs? Even drums? Or do they just say something like "Give me a 4/4 beat with some double bass going on"?

I think they do whatever they want, tbh. I can easily imagine Vai actually notating anything and everything for almost every track, whereas Gilbert being much more typical rock band guitarist.

Satch, don't really know. :p:

[tubab0y]

I wouldn't be surprised if Satch jams to a backing track till he finds something he likes and then tells Jeff and Dave to come up with something that sounds good with it. Or they just jam for a while together and see what happens.

[Freepower]

I just wouldn't be suprised.

Full stop. :p:

[pavan]

I think Vai and Satch write everything.

[Resiliance]

And Paul doesn't write anything.

And FP, you've got your work cut out for you in the AT forum... There's a LOT of bad information going 'round there.

[Freepower]

Yeah, it's pretty shocking. Have you seen insideac's thread? :eek:

Oh god, there's 2 now! They're breeding!

There goes my life! :p:

[Resiliance]

Yeah, it's pretty shocking. Have you seen insideac's thread? :eek:

Oh god, there's 2 now! They're breeding!

There goes my life! :p:

Seeing that "go fast, don't worry about accuracy" stuff makes my stomach turn.

[Stratwizard]

Lol @ AT forum. There's too many people wanting to teach without knowing **** about right practice methods. Maybe you should make a "who to listen" list. Or another solution: Make FP mod there, so he can close all the threads that teach bad habits. I mean, it's pretty useless if all the bad information clouds the good bits of advice.

EDIT: Is perpetual shred still frequenting this forum? I found a guy called Nuttbuster on DMusic with a tune Arpeggios From Heaven, which is exactly the same tune that perpetual shred posted here a while back, even the ID3 tag is same. So is this the same guy or did this Nuttbuster dude just steal perpetual shred's song?

[Hidde]

Seeing that "go fast, don't worry about accuracy" stuff makes my stomach turn.

Someone actually said that?

[Stratwizard]

-Sometimes you have to force yourself
This is for those that think they've hit a wall. I see dozens of people on UG claiming that they "can't get any faster", yet I highly doubt they play as fast as Rusty Cooley, Michael Angelo, or any other shredder. Therefore, there must be a way to get the speed they have, no? Yes. I know alot of purist shredders are gonna try to kill me for this, but if you have reached a wall, the BEST way to get past it is to charge through it. Im saying increase the metronome by 20 or so, and FORCE your hands to move that fast. If it doesn't work, get angry at yourself, make yourself go that fast. Once you start getting tired, stop, take a break, and then come back and keep at it. Eventually after a few tries, you will get it. Even if you reach it while playing sloppy, it doesn't matter. As long as you reach that speed, that's all that matters, really. Keep playing at that speed until you are comfortable, and THEN work on accuracy.


There.

[Resiliance]

Lol @ AT forum. There's too many people wanting to teach without knowing **** about right practice methods. Maybe you should make a "who to listen" list. Or another solution: Make FP mod there, so he can close all the threads that teach bad habits. I mean, it's pretty useless if all the bad information clouds the good bits of advice.

I'm planning on giving it a bit of time to see who's worthy of a mod slot in there. See what quality comes floating above. I know FP is probably the most knowledgeable about the subject on the site, but I doubt he'd have the time. Enlighten us, FP.

And yeah, a who to listen to list is a good idea.

[tubab0y]

Yeah, I was already thinking about a who to listen to list, since one isn't enough. ;)

[Shreddin 4 Life]

Seeing that "go fast, don't worry about accuracy" stuff makes my stomach turn.

:eek: ppl say that around here and consider it advice!?!?

[insideac]

:eek: ppl say that around here and consider it advice!?!?


...Yes.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

...Yes.

:confused: ... :( ...

[Resiliance]

:haha

[Godly Moose]

Awkward.

[Resiliance]

Awkward.

Why's that?

[insideac]

Why's that?


:haha Cuz I wasn't supposed to see that or something :p:

[Resiliance]

Oh, I'm not bothered... :p:

[insideac]

Oh, I'm not bothered... :p:


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/JohnCampanelli/ditto.gif

[Resiliance]

Pokémon rule.

[Godly Moose]

In before mudkips, and seaking.

[insideac]

I don't get what the sudden interest in Seaking is.. Wait, yes I do :haha.

Anywho yes Pokemon r00l. Just started a new file in Gold :p:

[duggyrocks]

Whatever happened to the old days with just 50 (or was that 100?) pokemon?

[insideac]

Whatever happened to the old days with just 50 (or was that 100?) pokemon?

There were only like 130 or something...Now theres over 500 :haha I love it though, it means you can assemble a unique, badass team.

[CanCan]

Whatever happened to the old days with just 50 (or was that 100?) pokemon?
Both, actually. 150.

[duggyrocks]

Hmm... all the pokemon craze was like 5 or 6 years ago here.

All I remember is mew was the 150th, mewtwo or something was the 151st, ahhh... childhood memories...

[SnowballofDoom]

Nah, Mew was 151.

The biggest epiphany I had in the last 5 years was when I realized the 3 legendary bird's names were their element and their number in spanish (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres).

I swear, I felt like I'd discovered gravity.

[Godly Moose]

Nah, Mew was 151.

The biggest epiphany I had in the last 5 years was when I realized the 3 legendary bird's names were their element and their number in spanish (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres).

I swear, I felt like I'd discovered gravity.

I only realized like a couple months ago that Ekans backwards is snake. I shat bricks to say the least.

[Erc]

^:haha

[ashesofthewake]

Nah, Mew was 151.

The biggest epiphany I had in the last 5 years was when I realized the 3 legendary bird's names were their element and their number in spanish (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres).

I swear, I felt like I'd discovered gravity.
im speechless...

[SnowballofDoom]

From wiki:

Lapras can be considered an alternate Romanization of the Japanese name Laplace, which is a reference toward Pierre-Simon Laplace, a mathematician who wrote several books on the mathematical properties of the sea and tides.

There's a Pokémindfuck for ya.

[insideac]

Wow, who knew pokemon could be so educational :eek:

[eviledge87]

i feel compelled to do read up on the original pokemon now, maybe it could reveal the meaning of life?

[Shreddin 4 Life]

i feel compelled to do read up on the original pokemon now, maybe it could reveal the meaning of life?

:eek: ya never know :p:

but yeah that's some crazy suff, u can tell they actually took their time when coming up with the original set...after that it was just too redundant and cliché :rolleyes:

[DaFjory]

Alright, somebody tell me already...

Is it "GUTH-ree" or "GOOTH-rie" – "GUH-van" or "Guh-VAN"?

[Stratwizard]

Alright, somebody tell me already...

Is it "GUTH-ree" or "GOOTH-rie" – "GUH-van" or "Guh-VAN"?

Not sure though...

[Resiliance]

GUTH-ree and... Neither. Guth-rie Govven, pretty much.

Not sure though...

guh-VAN? Seriously? He's not american :p:

[Stratwizard]

guh-VAN? Seriously? He's not american :p:

Well, out of those options it was the one that sounded better. :p:

[duggyrocks]

I stareted a debate in the pit about downloading music http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630426

I'd like to hear what you guys think of this

[Stratwizard]

Personally, I'm not against it.

[public property]

The music publishers union has a quote I'd like to share, concerning internet tab sites.

"They're make money off of advertising and we at least want a cut of that"

This fuels my fire for all union hatred.

[johnny_tapia]

The music publishers union has a quote I'd like to share, concerning internet tab sites.

"They're make money off of advertising and we at least want a cut of that"

This fuels my fire for all union hatred.
Yep that is fairly annoying. Bastards.....

[DaFjory]

How could I ever be against it? Without downloading random MP3s for free over the years (either individual songs or full albums), I wouldn't have bought any of the nearly one hundred guitar albums I currently own.

Hell, I wouldn't have even discovered guitar music at all without downloading my first ever MP3 from the original Kazaa – Satch's Back To Shalla-Bal, which after six years still remains my favourite song of all time.

NOW tell me MP3 downloading is evil.

[Axegrinder#9]

on a side-note, I rarely see Michael Lee Firkins mentioned here on this forum a lot. I'd heard of this guy for a while, but recently listened to one of his albums - this guy is unbelievably hip and cool. and he can ****ing play... and has a killer tone to boot.

infact, at points, I found pronounced similarities between his style of soloing and Guthrie Govan's. and we know that boy can play.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

on a side-note, I rarely see Michael Lee Firkins mentioned here on this forum a lot. I'd heard of this guy for a while, but recently listened to one of his albums - this guy is unbelievably hip and cool. and he can ****ing play... and has a killer tone to boot.

infact, at points, I found pronounced similarities between his style of soloing and Guthrie Govan's. and we know that boy can play.

ya it's true...although I'm not a big fan of Firkins, I do like his whammy bar technique which sounds a lot like slide guitar. Also, his sweeping is quite extravagant - anyone heard End of the Beginning by Jason Becker? :D

[tubab0y]

How could I ever be against it? Without downloading random MP3s for free over the years (either individual songs or full albums), I wouldn't have bought any of the nearly one hundred guitar albums I currently own.

Hell, I wouldn't have even discovered guitar music at all without downloading my first ever MP3 from the original Kazaa – Satch's Back To Shalla-Bal, which after six years still remains my favourite song of all time.

NOW tell me MP3 downloading is evil.
I love that song! If only he would play it live sometime. :(

[DaFjory]

There is one live version floating around p2p, which isn't of brilliant quality but at least you get to hear it live. It's quite different. Want me to up it to RapidShare for you?

Oh, and the story of how I discovered that song and got into Satch is actually a bit funny in itself:

Sometime in '01 I got myself a PSOne for cheap, because there was this one game I always wanted to play (and only ever had the chance to when I was at friends' places). It was called Formula One. But really, the game itself didn't interest me nearly as much as the menu music did!

Back in '98 I remember playing the game at a friend's house, and noticing what a sick tune was playing in the background as I went about selecting my car and whatnot. Later in the year I played it at another friend's house, and we both ended up liking the song (that opening riff is catchy, y'know?) Then, the next year I played the game again at yet another friend's house, and once again I was intrigued by this raucous, loud, squealing song in the background. It had... guitar on it. It was fast, it was cool, it was heavy. I had to have it somehow. I needed a PlayStation!

So then '01 rolled around, and I bought myself the PSOne and the game. Lemme tell ya, the moment I fired up the disc and the song started playing, I was in heaven. The opening B5 chords ("daaahn-dahn, daaahn-dahn"), the screaming solos, the chugging riffs, the endless pinch harmonics... I was awestruck by this person who was playing the song. Who was this guy? I delved further into the Sound menu options and saw a track listing featuring the song, amongst others. His name was Joe Satriani, and the song was called Back To Shalla-Bal (incidently, beneath the song was also Juice by Steve Vai).

From that day onwards, after having downloaded a ton of crappy quality MP3s by both men and subsequently buying their albums, I have never stopped loving the guitar and everything about it. :)



------------



Btw, are all these guys Italian or something? Satriani... Vai... Petrucci... Angelo Batio... Di Meola... Surely not a coincidence.

[tubab0y]

Nah, I'll live without it.

And yes, it's a coincidence that they're all italian, methinks.

[duggyrocks]

^ Coincidence..... or conspiracy?

<<

>>

<<

[Beckerism]

That's just a coincidence.

This, is a conspiracy.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2eq83tj.jpg

[Hidde]

It all makes sense!

He must have faked Becker's illness because he thought he would be unable to maintain the farce any longer.

[tubab0y]

Or he developed a taste for japanese food.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

That's just a coincidence.

This, is a conspiracy.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2eq83tj.jpg

:eek: dude that's scary!!!

and those explanations are...ample :p:

[TheUltimateSin]

Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me...

[wasp2020]

How could I ever be against it? Without downloading random MP3s for free over the years (either individual songs or full albums), I wouldn't have bought any of the nearly one hundred guitar albums I currently own.

Hell, I wouldn't have even discovered guitar music at all without downloading my first ever MP3 from the original Kazaa – Satch's Back To Shalla-Bal, which after six years still remains my favourite song of all time.

NOW tell me MP3 downloading is evil.

Same for me! Love the big story post above about PSOne, fantastic.

My first ever Satriani song came from Kazaa. I listenened to it once...then again. And again. I was blasting the speakers. I've haven't heard such a kick-ass, epicly melodic, and just plain cool song in my life. It was just so perfect. I never knew guitar could do this.

And now I have his whole discography, and his music has literally changed my life.

And that song, ladies and gents, was One Big Rush, Live in San Francisco. :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDiXVYcGsFw




Oh, and Live Back to Shalla-Bal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qtOonxa6Ug
Killer song

:D

[tombo32]

That's just a coincidence.

This, is a conspiracy.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2eq83tj.jpg

But... Paul Gilbert is also Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA! :eek:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4848/paulandbjornvd2.png


AHHH!!!!

[public property]

That wouldn't suprise me too much.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

But... Paul Gilbert is also Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA! :eek:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4848/paulandbjornvd2.png


AHHH!!!!

:haha

[SnowballofDoom]

Beck kinda looks like a young Paul Gilbert...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/Beck.article_0.jpg

And happy birthday TUS! I got you the Ab Lounge:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/20073170262529389.jpg

:p:

[TheUltimateSin]

:eek: Just what I always wanted! Ohh....you know just what's right, Snow! :heart:

[Godly Moose]

Happy Birthday TUS. :heart:

[tubab0y]

Well, I got you one of the cool bowflex things. Beat that.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8c/Bowflex_UltimateXTLU.jpg/180px-Bowflex_UltimateXTLU.jpg

[Beckerism]

Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me...

Pshhh... What an attention *****.

Happy Birthday. :p:

Edit: http://ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/p/paul_gilbert/fly_me_to_the_moon_guitar_pro.htm

:D

[DaFjory]

Allan Holdsworth and Tom Conti need to have a fight someday.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2619/holdsworthvscontinl4.jpg

How would Harry Hill put it...

"But which is greyer – Holdsworth or Conti? There's only one way to find out! FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[tombo32]

Beck kinda looks like a young Paul Gilbert...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/Beck.article_0.jpg



I thought that too when I saw one of his videos. :p:



Is it bad that I actually am excited that Harry Potter is out today/now?... :confused:

[Beckerism]

Not as bad as not being able to spell excited. :p:

[tombo32]

Not as bad as not being able to spell excited. :p:

Hahaha damn it! :p:

Fixed

[Phreaky]

Just watched Eric Johnson's ACL show (CoD) for the first time in ages, and noticed he anchors sections of it, even slow bits :eek:

*Dreams shattered*

WHY ERIC WHY?

:D

[eviledge87]

^ it happens. I saw a vid of Becker playing Paginini's 5th Caprice, and he anchored horribly the almost the entire time, it made me sad...although i was impressed that he could play so fast while anchoring in such a manner.

[XibanezedgeX]

Paul Gilbert 9th grade yearbook:
http://www.paulgilbert.com/Paul.1981.small.jpg
Pete Willis (Def Leppard):
http://www.paulgilbert.com/Pete.Willis.small.jpg
:confused:

[Beckerism]

^ it happens. I saw a vid of Becker playing Paginini's 5th Caprice, and he anchored horribly the almost the entire time, it made me sad...although i was impressed that he could play so fast while anchoring in such a manner.

Yah, Becker has mentioned that others should never look towards him for picking technique. He then redirected them to Paul Gilbert, and ... Al Di Meola. :p:

[tombo32]

Paul Gilbert 9th grade yearbook:
http://www.paulgilbert.com/Paul.1981.small.jpg
Pete Willis (Def Leppard):
http://www.paulgilbert.com/Pete.Willis.small.jpg
:confused:

I think it is safe to say that Paul Gilbert is anyone and everyone at the same time... :wtf:

I would be impressed if he looked like Dame Edna though. ;)

(To make it not too spamy): I added a Boss Harmonist to my rig last week. How great are those pedals?!

[Kunundrum]

Just watched Eric Johnson's ACL show (CoD) for the first time in ages, and noticed he anchors sections of it, even slow bits :eek:

*Dreams shattered*

WHY ERIC WHY?

:D

he doesn't really anchor, he usually has his pinky on the selector switch or the volume knob :D

[tubab0y]

I think it is safe to say that Paul Gilbert is anyone and everyone at the same time... :wtf:

I would be impressed if he looked like Dame Edna though. ;)

(To make it not too spamy): I added a Boss Harmonist to my rig last week. How great are those pedals?!
Boss pedals are usually decent, but not the best. Never heard of the specific pedal. Checked harmony central?

[public property]

I think he meant 'wow this pedal is awesome' as opposed to 'how good are those pedals?'

[tubab0y]

Ah. Okay.

I have the Akai DecaBuddy harmonizer on my computer, and it's starting to piss me off. I can't get it to harmonize.

['Floods!']

Can anyone beat Rusty Cooley for technique?

[Resiliance]

"Technique" is too broad a term.

Yet I can safely say: yes.

[Hidde]

Can anyone beat Rusty Cooley for technique?

I asked a similar question a while back. The general consensus was that there are technically better players, live Govan, but that Rusty could possible beat him in "standard scales and sweeps".

[Freepower]

^ that was just my opinion. I don't know that anyone agreed. :p:

[PooKoo]

obviously urrbody's gonna agree.
cept resi.

[Beckerism]

Anyone else here enjoy using high action? I recently tried it out and feel that I get better tone, sustain, legato and bending/vibrato. Any have results like this? I've also been working on all these coincidently though, so :p: .

Edit: I use to have medium, medium-low I believe.

[SnowballofDoom]

Yeah... well, not super high, but still pretty up there. I can't figure out how anyone can play with really low action and not sound like a sloppy mess.

[JC13]

I have my action set perfectly, to the point where it sounds graceful and full, but still low enough to make playing very peaceful and easy.

[Stratwizard]

Low action for me.

[XibanezedgeX]

I have fairly low action. But I quite like the action on classical guitars, gives a nice challange for sweeping.

[tubab0y]

I have satriani-low action. My friends can't play my guitar.

My bass, on the other hand, has really really high action.

[Beckerism]

Which (low/high) usually yields benefits for legato? (volume wise with the same finger strength?)

As you can see, this is my first time experimenting. :p:

[tubab0y]

Low. With high action you hit the string with your finger for longer before you fret it, so you lose more volume. Look at satriani- his action is extremely low.

[Resiliance]

I can't stand low action. I've always used rather high.

[Freepower]

I prefer a medium action. I would like to try a very low action with very heavy strings though, and see what that sounds like.

Anyone done it?

[insideac]

I can't stand low action. I've always used rather high.


How come? My strings are as low as possible without any buzz at all. The only downside IMO to having extremely low action is that the sustain is **** and the bends die out rather quickly, but I don't solo too much anyways.


I prefer a medium action. I would like to try a very low action with very heavy strings though, and see what that sounds like.

Anyone done it?


It depends on what pickups you have, and the tuning, I think. I have 13s on both of my guitars, and on one of them its tuned to A# standard, and the low notes have a hard time coming out clearly, so I don't like that. The other one is tuned to D standard though, and it sounds really nice. The low action with the heavy strings feels really good, nice and firm to the touch, compared to the extremely flimsy and light feel that the 9s give you. And 8s...well you lose tone with those really so no point in talking about them :P: I doubt anyone here uses them

[tubab0y]

I used 8s once...my soloing was off the wall, but I couldn't really do anything without my booster. And they made my 9s feel stiff, which I figured was a bad sign.

[Resiliance]

How come? My strings are as low as possible without any buzz at all. The only downside IMO to having extremely low action is that the sustain is **** and the bends die out rather quickly, but I don't solo too much anyways.

The tone, bends, and vibrato possible with low action is extremely crap as far as I'm concerned.

[pavan]

Medium action I am most comfortable with, with medium gauge

[Beckerism]

I'm thinking about trying out some 10s when I get back to the US.

[TheUltimateSin]

I'm thinking about trying out some 10s when I get back to the US.

I tried 10's once before. At first I didn't like them, but looking back they seemed just fine. I think it was because I was so used to 9's I didn't like the idea of changing.

[Lemoninfluence]

I use 10's and I've been looking at going to 11's for a bit just to increase finger strength.

playing on any of my mates guitars feels really easy after playing with 10's.

I figure that if I play 11's for a bit then going back to 10's will make bending etc easier.

[tubab0y]

I'm thinking about using 10s or 11s on the one I'm building once it's done, but leaving 9s on my FR guitar because I'm too lazy to re-set it up.

[Shreddin 4 Life]

I prefer a medium action. I would like to try a very low action with very heavy strings though, and see what that sounds like.

Anyone done it?

I like low-ish action; neither rly low or nor rly high ya know :p:

and actually, I will be putting low-ass action with 13-gauge strings on one of my guitars in the future :eek: (But I'll be tuning to C - down 2 steps) :D

[insideac]

The tone, bends, and vibrato possible with low action is extremely crap as far as I'm concerned.


The difference in tone is pretty much hard to distinguish between, for normal listeners, and alot of musicians. I already said I don't bend much, and when I do bend, its not held for a long time anyways so no need for too much sustain. The vibrato isn't too affected by the action either, it is easier for you to control it. It feels a little loose but you get used to it

[tubab0y]

Yeah, I don't have any problem with vibrato or sustain or tone, just lower your pickups.

Not that I can really do good vibrato anyways.

[eviledge87]

when i started playing guitar i had an acoustic guitar that had really high action, which made my fingers really strong, so i tend to use thicker strings. I usually use .11's, i like the thicker tone, and i can bend them fine. I'm using .10's right now, cause those were the only gauge strings Guitar Center had last time i was there, i was quite pissed.

[Beckerism]

Same, played the acoustic for a few years before I started on the electric. I just stuck with the custom settings until now though. :p:

[insideac]

Yeah, I don't have any problem with vibrato or sustain or tone, just lower your pickups.

Not that I can really do good vibrato anyways.


I dunno what others think of my vibrato but I like it so I dont care lol

[tubab0y]

I can do wide vibrato, but it's really slow.

And I used 11s for a while, MF constantly screws up and sends me free stuff. No kidding, I've gotten a 10 pack of d'addario 11s, two cables, and a couple things I couldn't identify.

[Hidde]

I have relatively low action and nines. This gets OK sustain, which is really all I need.

I have a pretty wide vibrato (and I honestly think I overuse it). When I'm farther down the neck (towards the headstock) my vibrato is considerably smaller.

[Resiliance]

The difference in tone is pretty much hard to distinguish between, for normal listeners, and alot of musicians.

I disagree.

The vibrato isn't too affected by the action either, it is easier for you to control it.

I really, really disagree.

[Stratwizard]

Guthrie uses low action...

/random comment

[Freepower]

^ SHAWN LANE, I CHOOSE YOU!

(as evidence of vibrato and tone boost from low low low action)

























It's super effective, resi!

[public property]

I did an experiment with an old crap guitar of mine years back (when it was my only electric guitar) I raises the action to like a cm or something stupid, then restrung it 52 - 13.
I think I remember pain.
Maybe good tone, but it was masking by the pain.

[tubab0y]

I did an experiment with an old crap guitar of mine years back (when it was my only electric guitar) I raises the action to like a cm or something stupid, then restrung it 52 - 13.
I think I remember pain.
Maybe good tone, but it was masking by the pain.
SRV did it for years...I'm considering doing this on the one I'm building once I'm done.

[XibanezedgeX]

^How is your build going? There hasn't been an update in weeks...

[tubab0y]

I know...I have to take pics. I'm finally cutting the scarf joint this weekend, maybe cut the body wings.

[Beckerism]

ZOMG

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foMJDVwLN4c
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdbjgLoFRsY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2HbBWb3zphY

[Resiliance]

^ SHAWN LANE, I CHOOSE YOU!

(as evidence of vibrato and tone boost from low low low action)

Shawn Lane? Vibrato? Nah. :p:

Guthrie uses low action...

/random comment

I've never been too in love with his vibrato.

[The Virtuoso]

Who's vibrato do you love then?

[public property]

I don't think theres anyone with great vibrato in every area.
I really like vais vibrato when he played with zappa and he had to play lines in his songs though.

[wil]

Where vibrato is concerned I would say Gilbert and Yngwie are the guys to beat, it's like a kind of confidence or a sincerity and it sounds natural. I hate Zakk Wylde style vibrato where it seems to be done totally gratuitously (sp?) and over-the-top.

[The Virtuoso]

^Um, what about Becker or Friedman? You've heard Altitudes (I've yet to hear someone do the beginning of Altitudes correctly and not just the bends, if you listen closely when the keyboard is playing, you can hear just Jason going crazy in the background), Blue, Namida, Jewel, etc. There are a lot of guys with great vibrato that aren't shredders like SRV, the Amott bros, Randy Rhoads, etc.

[Resiliance]

Who's vibrato do you love then?

Where vibrato is concerned I would say Gilbert and Yngwie are the guys to beat, it's like a kind of confidence or a sincerity and it sounds natural. I hate Zakk Wylde style vibrato where it seems to be done totally gratuitously (sp?) and over-the-top.

Pretty much.

^Um, what about Becker or Friedman? You've heard Altitudes (I've yet to hear someone do the beginning of Altitudes correctly and not just the bends, if you listen closely when the keyboard is playing, you can hear just Jason going crazy in the background), Blue, Namida, Jewel, etc. There are a lot of guys with great vibrato that aren't shredders like SRV, the Amott bros, Randy Rhoads, etc.

Not crazy about the vibrato of any of the guys you named. :p:

[wil]

^Um, what about Becker or Friedman? You've heard Altitudes (I've yet to hear someone do the beginning of Altitudes correctly and not just the bends, if you listen closely when the keyboard is playing, you can hear just Jason going crazy in the background), Blue, Namida, Jewel, etc. There are a lot of guys with great vibrato that aren't shredders like SRV, the Amott bros, Randy Rhoads, etc.

Not sure i fully understand the sentiment of your post. :confused:

All I meant was, even though PG and Yngwie display some pretty outrageous vibrato, it SOUNDS natural. Whereas, IMO, Becker and Friedmans ( and many other players for that matter) just sounds a little bit...contrived. Its the same with Zakk Wylde, it sounds a bit self-referential, a bit ''Hey mom, look at me, I'm doing a wide, aggressive style vibrato!''

Don't like SRV's vibrato, don't like the Ammot brothers (Mike is better though) and Randy Rhoads' didnt seem to stand out to me-perhaps his continual switching between classical and electric styles sort of hampered his expression somewhat.

That said, the Maiden guys have brilliant vibrato---Janick less so...---listen to the solo in Alexander the Great or Still Life, or the intro to No More Lies...

Its really hard to talk about vibrato without sounding somewhat elitist--where i say all the above and Resiliance says he doesnt like Guthrie's ( which some people would decree as outright blasphemy ) but it's all about preference=I've never really been a fan of Clapton or B.B King's vibrato, yet they are constantly referred to as being two of the 'best'. Is there something wrong with me? I don't know, I do like Angus Young's vibrato and Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy era, i cant bear his 'ballads and blues' stuff, listen to the Black Rose), Uli Jon Roth etc etc...

[Stratwizard]

Whoa... This place looks awesome! http://online-discussion.dhenderson.com/GuthrieGovan/viewtopic.php?t=1305

There's even mini-bar! Guthrie smokes wtf? :eek:

[public property]

Why is that suprising? :confused:

[wil]

Ditto. :confused:

[duggyrocks]

It doesnt look like a normal cigarette to me, unless its just a poorly wrapped one ;)

[Resiliance]

It's a spliff! Guthrie's a pothead!

Not sure i fully understand the sentiment of your post. :confused:

All I meant was, even though PG and Yngwie display some pretty outrageous vibrato, it SOUNDS natural. Whereas, IMO, Becker and Friedmans ( and many other players for that matter) just sounds a little bit...contrived. Its the same with Zakk Wylde, it sounds a bit self-referential, a bit ''Hey mom, look at me, I'm doing a wide, aggressive style vibrato!''

Don't like SRV's vibrato, don't like the Ammot brothers (Mike is better though) and Randy Rhoads' didnt seem to stand out to me-perhaps his continual switching between classical and electric styles sort of hampered his expression somewhat.

That said, the Maiden guys have brilliant vibrato---Janick less so...---listen to the solo in Alexander the Great or Still Life, or the intro to No More Lies...

Its really hard to talk about vibrato without sounding somewhat elitist--where i say all the above and Resiliance says he doesnt like Guthrie's ( which some people would decree as outright blasphemy ) but it's all about preference=I've never really been a fan of Clapton or B.B King's vibrato, yet they are constantly referred to as being two of the 'best'. Is there something wrong with me? I don't know, I do like Angus Young's vibrato and Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy era, i cant bear his 'ballads and blues' stuff, listen to the Black Rose), Uli Jon Roth etc etc...

Aye, I simple can't stand Clapton or B.B. Kings's vibrato, sounds like a bunch of bees to me... And I also like the vibrato of Angus Young, Gary Moore, Michael Schenker, ...

[The Virtuoso]

Yeah, I know what you guys I mean, it's simply a matter a of preference, which is what I should have thought about before I posted. I know what you mean about Gilbert and Yngwie they do seem to have that natural vibrato, I just don't think they are the pinnacle of vibrato.

[wil]

Who would you say is then?? just out of interest. I hate to use this word in the shred forum, but vibrato is really a feel thing. I dont know if there are really any exercises which can 'improve' it, sure you can do the Vai 'vibrate one note to varying metronome tempos for an hour' and this will certainly improve your ability to vibrate a note, but it wont necessarily make your vibrato 'better'.

Maybe im not saying it right; if you practise legato correctly ( and this is a thread/book/website) in itself, then you know it will improve on a technical level, but vibrato seems to be more of an inherent, personal thing.

When done well, its so subtle you dont always notice it, but then if you listen back looking for it, you'll realise just how cool it really is. When done badly, it sounds horrible, like Resiliance's aforementioned 'bees' or a nervous, shaky sound.

I'd also like to add Andy Timmons and Dave Gilmour to my list of players with great vibrato.

[Stratwizard]

Yeah, Andy Timmons has an awesome vibrato.

[The Virtuoso]

Who would you say is then?? just out of interest. I hate to use this word in the shred forum, but vibrato is really a feel thing. I dont know if there are really any exercises which can 'improve' it, sure you can do the Vai 'vibrate one note to varying metronome tempos for an hour' and this will certainly improve your ability to vibrate a note, but it wont necessarily make your vibrato 'better'.

Maybe im not saying it right; if you practise legato correctly ( and this is a thread/book/website) in itself, then you know it will improve on a technical level, but vibrato seems to be more of an inherent, personal thing.

When done well, its so subtle you dont always notice it, but then if you listen back looking for it, you'll realise just how cool it really is. When done badly, it sounds horrible, like Resiliance's aforementioned 'bees' or a nervous, shaky sound.

I'd also like to add Andy Timmons and Dave Gilmour to my list of players with great vibrato.

Well it doesn't matter who I say because it's personal preference but I'll get back to you lol.

I was going to mention subtlety, you can usually a lot of guitarist who have great vibrato have a lot of subtlety.

The aforementioned "shaky" sound is also a matter of preference, remember "One man's junk, is another man's treasure".

[XibanezedgeX]

What do you guys think of Takayoshi Ohmura? I never heard of him till yesterday when a local radio DJ interviewed Tony Moore of Faith and Fire who also did some vocals for this Ohmura and they were talking about it. The Tony called him "The next Yngwie" so of course I had to go listen. :p:
He's pretty good, going along with the current subject of vibrato, his is so-so; but his picking technique is fantastic, ecspecially alt. picking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR5xPpkR-V0

[The Virtuoso]

I've seen that dude on the Japanese version of G3! He is a very good player and he also has nice hair :p:

[Stratwizard]

I don't think he's anything special.

[The Virtuoso]

^Err, explanation?

[johnny_tapia]

What do you guys think of Takayoshi Ohmura? I never heard of him till yesterday when a local radio DJ interviewed Tony Moore of Faith and Fire who also did some vocals for this Ohmura and they were talking about it. The Tony called him "The next Yngwie" so of course I had to go listen. :p:
He's pretty good, going along with the current subject of vibrato, his is so-so; but his picking technique is fantastic, ecspecially alt. picking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR5xPpkR-V0
I quite liked that actually. Nice trousers too :p:

[Resiliance]

I don't think he's anything special.

Agreed.

^Err, explanation?

Pfff... Same old neoclassical stuff. Good technique, sure... But there are MANY amateur guitar players out there who'd smoke him in terms of technique and imo songwriting.

That was just boring. I think he listened to one too many Impellitteri records.

[The Virtuoso]

Yeah, but that was just one video of him, you can't just outright judge him on one video.

I did that when I first heard Jason Becker, I listened to Air and went "ehh" and then it grew on me. I didn't fully appreciate him until I heard Blue, End of the Beginning, Altitudes, Mabel's Fatal Fable, Cacophony work, and his stuff he contributed on Marty Friedman's solo stuff.

[Resiliance]

Yeah, but that was just one video of him, you can't just outright judge him on one video.

I did that when I first heard Jason Becker, I listened to Air and went "ehh" and then it grew on me. I didn't fully appreciate him until I heard Blue, End of the Beginning, Altitudes, Mabel's Fatal Fable, Cacophony work, and his stuff he contributed on Marty Friedman's solo stuff.

Dude... You give me a video, I tell you my opinion of the video.

I'm not saying HE's like that, I'm talking about the video. And fact is that that video really doesn't give me any desire to go look any further.

[XibanezedgeX]

He is pretty generic I defintally agree. I'm still looking for a new shredder who will do something different and have his own sound instead of just doing what everyone else is doing. This guy has potental, just has to venture out more.

[eviledge87]

If you want someone with a "different" sound, check out Buckethead, he's awesome.

[Stratwizard]

^Err, explanation?

He lacks a musical identity and style. The song was just boring. Nothing but fast playing with a bad tone. No melodic interest whatsoever, not to mention the lack of dynamics.

[XibanezedgeX]

I'v heard Buckethead and a whole host of people like him. I guess I'm looking for something even more different.

^I agree, but he defintly shows potental.

[Stratwizard]

^I agree, but he defintly shows potental.

How?

[XibanezedgeX]

He has very good technique now all he has to do is apply it to making music instead of just extremly fast playing. He has the abilty to make amazing music all he has to do is learn to incorparate melody and playing dynamics into his songs.

[Axegrinder#9]

He has very good technique now all he has to do is apply it to making music instead of just extremly fast playing. He has the abilty to make amazing music all he has to do is learn to incorparate melody and playing dynamics into his songs.

are you tone deaf?

[XibanezedgeX]

Partially deaf, yes. Tone deaf, No.
What does that have to do with anything at all? All I said was that he had the abilty to make music if he branched out, I didn't even mention his tone. Anyway tone doesn't really have anything to do with skill of the guitarist, tone is from the instrument. Jason Becker's 5th caprice performence on Hot Licks is amazing IMO, but to me his tone was "meh" at best.

[Axegrinder#9]

Partially deaf, yes. Tone deaf, No.
What does that have to do with anything at all? All I said was that he had the abilty to make music if he branched out, I didn't even mention his tone. Anyway tone doesn't really have anything to do with skill of the guitarist, tone is from the instrument. Jason Becker's 5th caprice performence on Hot Licks is amazing IMO, but to me his tone was "meh" at best.

I reiterate the question, are you tone deaf?

[Resiliance]

I'v heard Buckethead and a whole host of people like him. I guess I'm looking for something even more different.


Check out Joel Hoekstra.

[XibanezedgeX]

Check out Joel Hoekstra.
I went and I listened to the stuff on his Myspace page, its defintally different. Has a real big physchdelic/expirmental feel with a bit of fusion jazz touch. I like it, but on some of the songs it seems to delve a bit to much into the whole phschdelic feel for my taste. It reminds me of Douglas Adams for some reason :haha

[Godly Moose]

He is pretty generic I defintally agree. I'm still looking for a new shredder who will do something different and have his own sound instead of just doing what everyone else is doing. This guy has potental, just has to venture out more.

When I think of different, and their own sound. I think of these four guys now:

Buckethead: http://www.myspace.com/bucketheadnfriends
Bumblefoot(Ron Thal): http://www.myspace.com/bumblefoot
Joel Hoekstra: http://www.myspace.com/joelhoekstra
Mattias Ia Eklundh: http://www.myspace.com/mattiaseklundh

Mind you, with just the couple samples of songs on their profiles I wouldn't just base it off of those. I can almost guarantee that if you listen to these guys, that you will like at least two of them.

[The Virtuoso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBmIp1-CVY

What about this video? There are some cool melodic ideas I like in it and he has a good sound...sometimes, I admit his shredding is bland in this video and he looks like a lady!

The song "Space Cowboy" from Joel Hoekstra reminds me of Yoshi's Island 2 lol.

[DaFjory]

Here's a thought – Has any shredder ever legitimately played 64th notes during a solo? I've been experimenting with some of my favourite tapping licks recently, and I've suddenly found myself going from my usual easy triplets, 16ths and quintuplets...... to 32nds, dectuplets (10s!), and now 64ths. I seem to have reached the limit as to how many fingers can be used! :p:

Granted, I can't actually play a 64th at any sort of speed yet, due to my right-hand fingers not being used to fretting, but I can definitely see the potential for some psychotic licks if I put some effort into training both hands for fretting. Am I lapsing into T.J. Helmerich/Buckethead territory or something? Apparently they do some insane tapping stuff with eight fingers and whatnot.

Just as an example, here's the sort of single-string crap I can already do reasonably well...

Quintuplets (very easy):


e|-t17p9h11h12h14-|


Sextuplets (quite easy):


e|-t17p9h12t17p12p9-|


32nds (bit tricky):


e|-t17p9h11h14t17p14p11p9-|


Dectuplets/10s (trickier):


e|-t17p9h11h12h14t17p14p12p11p9-|


And, the psychotic 64th note (as if!!):


e|-t17p9h11h12h14t17h19h20h22p20p19p17p14p12p11p9-|


Reckon it's possible? ;)

[The Virtuoso]

Yes, I can use two fingers on my right hand to extend a lick like that but it gets a little trickier with your third and fourth.

[Stratwizard]

He has very good technique now all he has to do is apply it to making music instead of just extremly fast playing. He has the abilty to make amazing music all he has to do is learn to incorparate melody and playing dynamics into his songs.

Possibly, but that is a lot harder than learning to play fast.

[Stratwizard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBmIp1-CVY

What about this video?

I still don't like his phrasing.

[The Virtuoso]

Fair enough, I think he had some cool ideas in his songs though.

Who are your favorite guitarists then?

[Stratwizard]

Fair enough, I think he had some cool ideas in his songs though.

Sure, I don't deny that.

Who are your favorite guitarists then?

Vai, Govan, Eklundh, Thal, Di Meola, Henderson, Gilbert, Gambale, Gilmour, Django and many others.

[XibanezedgeX]

I don't think its possible for anyone to not like Gilbert though, personally I'm in love with him :haha

When I think of different, and their own sound. I think of these four guys now:



Mind you, with just the couple samples of songs on their profiles I wouldn't just base it off of those. I can almost guarantee that if you listen to these guys, that you will like at least two of them.

I had completly forgotten Bumblefoot existed!

[tubab0y]

How do you forget about someone like bumblefoot? He's amazing.

EDIT: and I agree, the phrasing is really odd, not good odd like Vai, just seems wrong.

[XibanezedgeX]

Shred isn't all I listen too, so after listening to 50 some different bands/artists each week from 7 or so different genres, some tend to be forgotten...

[Hidde]

I don't really know Bumblefoot. Someone want to link to me a vid?

[Godly Moose]

I don't really know Bumblefoot. Someone want to link to me a vid?

Not all his music is like this, but when people first here him it's this song they probably heard of his first. It's called, "Guitars SUCK".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrMJqk_dMqA


His music varies so differently though through all his albums, so it depends which one you would like. Also a majority of his music has lyrics, which of course are by him.

[Hidde]

Sure likes tapping, doesn't he?

Pretty cool.

[The Virtuoso]

Okay, I've got a pretty random question...Are conductors even necessary? I mean (yes this will sound childish) all it looks like they're doing is moving their hands around and making dramatic faces like :livid: :smoke: :headbang: . What exactly do they do?

[johnny_tapia]

Okay, I've got a pretty random question...Are composers even necessary? I mean (yes this will sound childish) all it looks like they're doing is moving their hands around and making dramatic faces like :livid: :smoke: :headbang: . What exactly do they do?
Composers? Do you mean conductors? :confused:

[Lemoninfluence]

Okay, I've got a pretty random question...Are composers even necessary? I mean (yes this will sound childish) all it looks like they're doing is moving their hands around and making dramatic faces like :livid: :smoke: :headbang: . What exactly do they do?
conductors are completely necessary. they keep the timing, tell each section when to come in, set the dynamics etc

at least that's as far as I'm aware. I don't play in an orchestra or whatever so feel free to correct me.

[Hidde]

Try coordinating 30+ musicians without someone in charge.

[johnny_tapia]

Try coordinating 30+ musicians without someone in charge.
Maybe Slipknot should get a conductor :p:

[The Virtuoso]

Composers? Do you mean conductors? :confused:

****, my bad, yes conducters :o :p: . Some of you didn't even notice lol.

[johnny_tapia]

****, my bad, yes conducters :o :p: . Some of you didn't even notice lol.
Nothing gets past me :p:

[Hidde]

****, my bad, yes conducters :o :p: . Some of you didn't even notice lol.

We understood. Without a composer they wouldn't have any music to play and I assumed you weren't that thick :D

[The Virtuoso]

conductors are completely necessary. they keep the timing, tell each section when to come in, set the dynamics etc

at least that's as far as I'm aware. I don't play in an orchestra or whatever so feel free to correct me.

Well, why would they need to keep timing, they have drumlines. They read sheet music (for orchestras at least) so they don't need to be told to come in. Why would they need to set the dynamics, they're not playing (the conductors) and like I said, they have sheet music. Wouldn't that tell them and shouldn't they know dynamics themselves.

[XibanezedgeX]

Also pretty much everyone is reading the music off the sheets as they go. I don't really think they are looking at the conducter at all while playing.

Edit: 1000th post for me! Not much compared to Dave_MC's 23,000 some...

[The Virtuoso]

^Exactly, see what I'm saying guys, I don't see the need for a conductor.

[Axegrinder#9]

try playing in an orchestra

[The Virtuoso]

I used to, I never payed attention to anything but the sheet music. I take that back, I listened to the instruments around me to, although that is a given. You know what, I take that back again, we didn't have a conductor for our orchestra :wtf:

[XibanezedgeX]

I'll have to ask my sister, shes a violinist. I'll get back to you on this one.
Edit: She says that the conducter leads everything and holds it all together and she pays attention to his movements. He's a living metronome and a band leader rolled into one.

[tubab0y]

I don't really know Bumblefoot. Someone want to link to me a vid?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pWGKzgUCNzs

And about conductors- I would die without them. Even if you personally aren't looking at them and are listening to other people, where do you think they're getting it from? And in marching band, you can't trust drumline, they rush too much.

[Hidde]

^ Didn't care much for that one. Don't like his vocals and some of the guitar playing sounded kind of (for lack of a better word) cartoony.

[Resiliance]

I'm not a big fan of Real either.

[XibanezedgeX]

I'm going to go with the cliche answer and say my favorite Bumblefoot song is "Guitars Suck", maybe you'll like that one more.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=55PdvkxbGjE

[tubab0y]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BUMwNGkEvhw

And I also found a clip of rockstar for a day, but it was only 45 seconds long.

[Hidde]

One of the videos was linked to this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=76TQUY4sIF0&mode=related&search=

How cool would it be to be there with hundreds of guitars and guys like them are just sitting around jamming?

Attending NAMM would be pretty awesome.

[Night_Lights]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0qsKAdabuf8

ZOMG awesome lick at 0:35

[eviledge87]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0qsKAdabuf8

ZOMG awesome lick at 0:35

that was really cool :p:

[Stratwizard]

Real is awesome. One of my favourite songs from Bumblefoot.

[Godly Moose]

Real is awesome. One of my favourite songs from Bumblefoot.

Yeah I like it a lot my self, but for some other fans of Normal. I have the Turn Around solo uploaded on youtube.(Sorry for bad sound quality)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o7qYn6apJZw

[Stratwizard]

Love that solo... Thanks for uploading! :cheers:

[Hidde]

Hey everyone.

I started a 21 day program yesterday at 96 bpm working on Lydian, Dorian, Ionian and Mixolydian modes as well as ascending the Dorian mode by major thirds (all of this as 16th notes). I also decided today that in addition I will play the Major thirds exercise picking each note twice as I go.


Also. I'm taking some simple sweeping patterns and playing them as 8th note triplets and others as 16ths.

Does anybody have anything they think I should add before I get too far in?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm playing them clean and then with distortion.

[tubab0y]

What's your legato like? If it's lacking, you could add something like this:

http://www.intimateaudio.com/psycho_licks.satriani.html

Just an idea. But overall, sounds comprehensive and like way too much commitment for me.

[Hidde]

^ Couldn't hurt to work some of that in. Especially the leggato with slides. Those always get me.

Also: anyone got suggestions for something involving tapping? I'm trying to move up from one string EVH type lines.

[tubab0y]

I believe guitars suck! by bumblefoot is more than one string.

[eviledge87]

Hey everyone.

I started a 21 day program yesterday at 96 bpm working on Lydian, Dorian, Ionian and Mixolydian modes as well as ascending the Dorian mode by major thirds (all of this as 16th notes). I also decided today that in addition I will play the Major thirds exercise picking each note twice as I go.


Also. I'm taking some simple sweeping patterns and playing them as 8th note triplets and others as 16ths.

Does anybody have anything they think I should add before I get too far in?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm playing them clean and then with distortion.

practice ascending/descending by thirds in all the modes. Play it in Lydian one day, Dorian the next etc. etc. Also learning all the modes and how they fit together is good.

[Kartman]

Damn, I should come to this thread more often. I'm a huge Steve Vai fan and Satch is sweet, I'm just getting into him. I just bought Is There Love In Space for my first Satch album, what do you guys think of it?

[Hidde]

Damn, I should come to this thread more often. I'm a huge Steve Vai fan and Satch is sweet, I'm just getting into him. I just bought Is There Love In Space for my first Satch album, what do you guys think of it?

The only song I have from it is "If I could Fly", which is my favorite Satch song.

[Kartman]

^If I Could Fly is one of my favorite tracks of that album! I like that and the title track, they're both kickass.

[tubab0y]

The entire album is good- lifestyle is one of my favorite vocal tracks of his, as well as i like the rain. Just look up is great. The title track and gnahh! are both great. It's a great and highly underrated CD.

[Kartman]

^What would you say is your favorite Satch album? Everyone talks about Surfing With The Alien, but I want some other opinions too.

[SnowballofDoom]

Bamboo is the only song I really love from Is There Love in Space; I don't think it's a bad album, it just didn't grab me a whole lot.

The Extremist is my favorite Satch album.

[johnny_tapia]

^What would you say is your favorite Satch album? Everyone talks about Surfing With The Alien, but I want some other opinions too.
I like 'Is the Love in Space' and the Extremist the most. You could also try out the Anthology if you are new to his material :)

[tubab0y]

I think EoC is a great album, but not quite as beginner friendly as some of his stuff. Live in San Fran is a great album- lots of good songs, plus the extreme added benefit of it being live.

[Hidde]

The Extremist wins in my book.

[johnny_tapia]

I think EoC is a great album, but not quite as beginner friendly as some of his stuff. Live in San Fran is a great album- lots of good songs, plus the extreme added benefit of it being live.
I don't like that album very much. It's a bit wierd for me.

[tubab0y]

I know, that's why I said it's not as beginner friendly. Borg Sex, Until we say goodbye, clouds race across the sky, and attack are all great.

[Kartman]

Borg Sex? :haha

I love Satch's titles. Gnaahh.

[tubab0y]

It's an awesome song, it's a high part and a low part that start slow, build up speed, and then slows down again. It's awesome.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ODpgaMoG5A

[Kartman]

^He's got some great phrasing in that. I also really like it's jazzy atonal feel; it really makes the song interesting.

[tubab0y]

You should check out Cool #9 then.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CgUwD9e8uNM

[Hidde]

^For me that was the best part of his G3 set this year.

[Freepower]

There's even mini-bar! Guthrie smokes wtf? :eek:

When i was at IGF i met a guy who jammed with guthrie (regularly, the ****) and i realised just how high the sensei often is. :p:

Speaking of which, i just got a weeks tuition from JOHN WHEATCROFT and chatting with STU HAMM! :D :D :D

Not to mention all the endless awesome. :p:

[tubab0y]

Yeah, Cool #9 was definitely a highlight of the set, though I can't really think of anything bad about it.

[Kartman]

You should check out Cool #9 then.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CgUwD9e8uNM
:eek:

That master that is Satch. Why haven't I gotten into him earlier!?

Is there a studio version of this song?

[Beckerism]

I found this hilarious. (RX forums)

Serrana Arpeggios does 9,999 HP damage on target creature.
:D I've played to many games.

[tubab0y]

:eek:

That master that is Satch. Why haven't I gotten into him earlier!?

Is there a studio version of this song?
Yeah, but it's not half as good.

[Kartman]

Well I :heart: Satch now. I've been a Vai fan forever, but Satch kicks ass too.

[marcus00]

^What would you say is your favorite Satch album? Everyone talks about Surfing With The Alien, but I want some other opinions too.

I have to put in a vote for Strange Beautiful Music. That's probably one of my favorite albums of all time, let alone from Satch.

[Kartman]

^Nice.

My current favorite shred album at the time is probably Vai's The Ultra Zone. I think most Vai fans overlook this album and don't give it the respect it deserves. The Ultra Zone, Oooo, Frank, and Windows To The Soul are amazing songs.

[duggyrocks]

^I agree, The Ultra Zone is amazing, I love almost every song on it, my favourites are Blood and Tears, Oooo, Frank, Jibboom, Lucky Charms, Fever Dream, and all the rest :D

I'm loving RI:R atm though.

[Stratwizard]

^Nice.

My current favorite shred album at the time is probably Vai's The Ultra Zone. I think most Vai fans overlook this album and don't give it the respect it deserves. The Ultra Zone, Oooo, Frank, and Windows To The Soul are amazing songs.

I love Ultra Zone, besides Fire Garden it's probably my favourite Vai album.

On other note, my new studio monitors arrived today. :)

[Kartman]

^Sweet. I don't know what a studio moniter does. :)

And to be honest, The Blood And Tears is probably the only song off The Ultra Zone I don't like. I'm not really diggin the Indian lady's voice.

And duggy, Real Illusions is and will always be an amazing album. That was the first Shred album I ever bought after reading about it in Guitar World. That album opened a whole new world to me.

[tubab0y]

I love Ultra Zone, besides Fire Garden it's probably my favourite Vai album.

On other note, my new studio monitors arrived today. :)
What kind?

[Stratwizard]

They're active near-field monitors. The model is Yamaha HS80M.

[Kartman]

^Like as in a screen monitor?

[Stratwizard]

Lol no. :p: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

[tubab0y]

Ooooh. I need to get me some, right now I'm using my computer speakers and they SUCK.

[Kartman]

Lol no. :p: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor
Cool! :D

I'm a recording n00b. Me and my band are looking into some basic recording equipment and we're looking for a 4-channel (but 8 would be better) interface and recording program. Any suggestions? I've looked into the Presonus Firepod, any sugguestions?

[tubab0y]

M-audio makes good stuff. I have the fasttrack USB and I think it's great. I might recommend firewire based for more instruments, less latency.