** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[Kartman]

^Does that come with a mixing program for the computer?

[Stratwizard]

How much are you willing to spend? Also, what kind of computer you have?

[Kartman]

We're recording onto an average quality laptop, and we're willing to spend anywhere from $200 to maybe $450.

[Stratwizard]

Then my suggestion for you is to go a professional studio, because with that money you can't get the hardware and software you're looking for. Also in a pro studio, they mix and master the tracks for you and take care of the recording, so all you have to worry about is playing. Recording the whole band on your own is quite of a challenge (at least if you want a bearable result) as there is quite a lot of things to worry. For example the acoustics of your rehearsal place aren't probably very good for recording. Also buying decent mics for drums, bass, guitar and vocals cost a small fortune. Then you need the software and hardware to record and most importantly someone who can mix and master the track.

So basically with 450$ I'd say you can get your demo recorded and produced in pro studio. It's a lot easier and cheaper and you get a demo cd that really sounds good.

[Hidde]

Well there's a big thread about this in the pit about how this "has no emotion" and whatnot but I really liked it and so I thought I'd present it here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z1cXkOsBzSQ

[Kartman]

^I don't like it. It may be partially because I don't like Malmsteen, but I just don't think Dream On is a song that is meant to be shred over. It just doesn't fit the music.

[johnny_tapia]

^I don't like it. It may be partially because I don't like Malmsteen, but I just don't think Dream On is a song that is meant to be shred over. It just doesn't fit the music.
I agree. It sounds like a joke.

[Kartman]

^Exactly! Dream On is a classic, and when Malmsteen takes it and mindlessly shreds over it, it ruins the melody for my ears. :(

[Hidde]

^ First of all: "Mindlessly shreds"? Come on.

Also: what with the profiles up and everything: would anyone be interested in joining if I made a "Shred Enthusiasts" group?

[Stratwizard]

Join the shred forum group people! http://groups.ultimate-guitar.com/shredforum/

[Hidde]

How do we join?

[tubab0y]

I can invite you...gimme a minute. If you want an invite, you can just write on someone in the group's profile.

EDIT: there ya go.

[Stratwizard]

It should be open join now.

[XibanezedgeX]

The forums seem like a ghost town today, everyones with the profiles.
I saw that thread/video with "Dream On"; I enjoyed it...
I sent some of you invites to join my Paul Gilbert group, if I missed you and you want to join heres the link: http://groups.ultimate-guitar.com/paulgilbertgroup/

[Hidde]

Hey everyone.

I'm in the middle of a 'Tone-Crisis' right now. How do you guys go about finding the tone your looking for?

[tubab0y]

Hours of tweaking- I actually like my tone most straight into my amp, maybe a compressor, definitely a wah.

[Freepower]

Hey everyone.

I'm in the middle of a 'Tone-Crisis' right now. How do you guys go about finding the tone your looking for?

Take a year out between school and BIMM and get me a Cornford. Thats my plan. :p:

[Kartman]

Hey everyone.

I'm in the middle of a 'Tone-Crisis' right now. How do you guys go about finding the tone your looking for?
Just mess around with the amp settings. I found mine a long time ago and I'll never change them! NEVER! :devil:

[Lemoninfluence]

hey guys I was listening to Ron Thal's Normal album and I was wondering if you took away the 'shred' part of his songs what would his/his band's genre be?

At first I just assumed rock but then I thought it could be classed as pop punk and that really surprised me.

Maybe I'm just retarded though. What do you think (about the genre thing not the retardedness)?

It doesn't really work for many other shredders because they're either a solo artist who does mainly instrumental stuff or the band already has a genre and they just happen to shred.

Can you think of any others which would give a surprising result if you took away the shred element from their songs?

[XibanezedgeX]

Expiremental I would say...
When you say take away do you mean slow down and remove the virtuosity of it or actually take that part out of the song?

[Resiliance]

Can you think of any others which would give a surprising result if you took away the shred element from their songs?

Paul Gilbert :p:

[bucky_2300]

Anything Yngwie has ever gone near...

[Godly Moose]

hey guys I was listening to Ron Thal's Normal album and I was wondering if you took away the 'shred' part of his songs what would his/his band's genre be?

At first I just assumed rock but then I thought it could be classed as pop punk and that really surprised me.

Maybe I'm just retarded though. What do you think (about the genre thing not the retardedness)?

It doesn't really work for many other shredders because they're either a solo artist who does mainly instrumental stuff or the band already has a genre and they just happen to shred.

Can you think of any others which would give a surprising result if you took away the shred element from their songs?

Majority of it would be considered probably pop punk, but songs like color of justice, and real are songs that are more like experimental.

[Evil_Magician]

Hi .

Im in quite need of shred songs.

But i want songs without sweeping.
Not that im trying to avoid it . IM NOT i have plenty of sweep songs im working on i just want some songs that i could have some fun with , without any need of working on them.

Basicly dont go higher (or lower) in hardness than Yngwie but dont give me the regural Yngwie songs or other often named songs.

Yeah.

I have never gone trough this thread but it says "shred" so what the hell:
I can tap at 24 NPS .
What about you ?

[Godly Moose]

Hi .

Im in quite need of shred songs.

But i want songs without sweeping.
Not that im trying to avoid it . IM NOT i have plenty of sweep songs im working on i just want some songs that i could have some fun with , without any need of working on them.

Basicly dont go higher (or lower) in hardness than Yngwie but dont give me the regural Yngwie songs or other often named songs.

Yeah.

I have never gone trough this thread but it says "shred" so what the hell:
I can tap at 24 NPS .
What about you ?

Never of us care about speed really. Shred being only about speed is just a stereotype. Shred is more being able to have almost no technical boundaries of the instrument they're playing. That's what it is too me anyways.

[Evil_Magician]

Never of us care about speed really. Shred being only about speed is just a stereotype. Shred is more being able to have almost no technical boundaries of the instrument they're playing. That's what it is too me anyways.

Definatly agree man , but its always fun to excercise a bit and go for a sprint ?

As you said , im trying to reach such a level of skill that i can play anything i hear in my head and i suppose everyone does.



PS. So got any songs for me ?

[Godly Moose]

Definatly agree man , but its always fun to excercise a bit and go for a sprint ?

As you said , im trying to reach such a level of skill that i can play anything i hear in my head and i suppose everyone does.



PS. So got any songs for me ?

So you want something fast, no sweeps. How about tapping, and string skipping?

[Evil_Magician]

So you want something fast, no sweeps. How about tapping, and string skipping?

Fine with me

[Godly Moose]

Well there's Guitars SUCK by Bumblefoot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrMJqk_dMqA


Scarified by Racer X.(Gilbert on da geetar of course)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE


Not really that fast, but a pretty difficult song Jump Start be Greg Howe.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a0o5Val5pHo

[Evil_Magician]

Ok thanks .

Maybe some more ?


BTW.
I never listened to guitars suck completely , dude it rocks :)

[Scorzerci]

Does anyone have a tab for "Come and Get it" by Greg Howe?

[Hidde]

I'm going to college in a little over a year and I don't wanna have to lug it all the way to (insert name of college here when one has been chosen) so I'm gonna sell it and get an upgrade.

The question is: what kind of amp do you guys reccomend? preferably not much more than $1000.

[Stratwizard]

Laney LC30-II or LC50-II.

[tubab0y]

z.vex nano.

[Axegrinder#9]

sup fellas, I just recorded a jam over Satch's "Cool #9" and it's up on the Cover Songs forum - check it out and leave your crits and whatnot.

PS: I make it groovy :cool:

[Stratwizard]

Left you a comment there... :cool:

[Kartman]

sup fellas, I just recorded a jam over Satch's "Cool #9" and it's up on the Cover Songs forum - check it out and leave your crits and whatnot.

PS: I make it groovy :cool:
Good choice! :cheers:

[staunchally]

I would say shred peaked in 1988. I attended Berklee that summer and everybody wanted to shred. It (shred) also entered the mainstream by this time. It's decline began around 1991.

With all due respect, shred was on the wane when Dream Theater hit. DT was/is an anomaly in popular music. The '90's and 2000's were/are a musical wasteland. (Popular music that is). There has always been a strong underground scene.

[Dogruitag]

Its my first time posting here in the Shred forum, but I have been visiting here for over a year now. I just wanted to say thanks to the people who gave really great advice like Stratwizard, Wil, Resiliance, TheUltimateSin and lots of other people. You guys helped me progress a lot!
:cheers:

[Stratwizard]

^You're welcome. :cheers: Good to see some new people here every now and then.

Btw I did two short improv vids. Check them out http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=655767

[Evil_Magician]

hey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJU5JxWk9C4
Just watch the stuff after 00:37

[XibanezedgeX]

^You're welcome. :cheers: Good to see some new people here every now and then.

Btw I did two short improv vids. Check them out http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=655767

In the reggea one I didn't think the lick around 0:29 fit in but other then that it was really good.
I didn't listen to the other one yet. I will now.

[TheUltimateSin]

Did I mention my Vai tickets came the other day?

Main Floor Row D! Yeah baby!

[TheUltimateSin]

It's decline began around 1991.

Maybe to you it did...

Its my first time posting here in the Shred forum, but I have been visiting here for over a year now. I just wanted to say thanks to the people who gave really great advice like Stratwizard, Wil, Resiliance, TheUltimateSin and lots of other people. You guys helped me progress a lot!

:cheers:

You're very much welcome. Glad I could be of help :)



....ZOMG dblpost wtf! :eek:

[Resiliance]

Its my first time posting here in the Shred forum, but I have been visiting here for over a year now. I just wanted to say thanks to the people who gave really great advice like Stratwizard, Wil, Resiliance, TheUltimateSin and lots of other people. You guys helped me progress a lot!
:cheers:

:cheers:

[Axegrinder#9]

The '90's and 2000's were/are a musical wasteland. (Popular music that is). There has always been a strong underground scene.

just open up your ears man, there's a a treasure trove of excellent music which was and still is being made during the period you specified. all you gotta do is look out for it

[tubab0y]

I would say shred peaked in 1988. I attended Berklee that summer and everybody wanted to shred. It (shred) also entered the mainstream by this time. It's decline began around 1991.

With all due respect, shred was on the wane when Dream Theater hit. DT was/is an anomaly in popular music. The '90's and 2000's were/are a musical wasteland. (Popular music that is). There has always been a strong underground scene.
I do believe Satriani was on the top 40 charts in '89/'90.

[staunchally]

Well, okay

Ultimate Sin- I was making an observation. In 1991, the popularity of shred began to decline. What do you mean, "Maybe to you it did"?. My personal feelings have nothing to do with it. It was losing its popularity. That's not a judgment.

To the others, maybe you didn't read my post clearly. I am aware that Satriani had some chart success in '89-'90. He was one of the last. I said it peaked in '88. Okay, it could've been '89 or '90. Jeez.

I do have open ears. I said throughout the '90's and 2000's, shred was not part of the mainstream. Whereas, in the '80's it entered the mainstream. What is controversial about my observations?

[wil]

I think what people meant was that in the 90s MTV etc stopped playing songs by Poison, Extreme and all the other bands that played fast solos, as grunge and 'alternative' music became popular... Its the sense that global corporations decide what is and isnt popular by continually ramming products down the throats of the viewers/listeners and a lot of insecure people tend to follow the trend out of fear of being deemed ''uncool''.

I dont think out and out 'shred' ---god im beginning to hate that word---was ever mainstream, sure SWTA sold a hell of a lot, but it still wasnt like the era of the Shadows and the Ventures etc...

Shred/fast guitar playing has NEVER gone away, and those that care more about it than being 'accepted' will continue to support it.

I remember having a similar discussion with someone who said Paul Gilbert, Vai etc rely more on clinics and tuitionals than album sales and concert tickets sold ,and while I cant comment statistically, my repsonse was that if people werent interested in playing this sort of stuff, why would people go to clinics by them??

I dont know if this makes sense, but im sure someone could elaborate should they wish to.

[staunchally]

I think what people meant was that in the 90s MTV etc stopped playing songs by Poison, Extreme and all the other bands that played fast solos, as grunge and 'alternative' music became popular... Its the sense that global corporations decide what is and isnt popular by continually ramming products down the throats of the viewers/listeners and a lot of insecure people tend to follow the trend out of fear of being deemed ''uncool''.

I dont think out and out 'shred' ---god im beginning to hate that word---was ever mainstream, sure SWTA sold a hell of a lot, but it still wasnt like the era of the Shadows and the Ventures etc...

Shred/fast guitar playing has NEVER gone away, and those that care more about it than being 'accepted' will continue to support it.

I remember having a similar discussion with someone who said Paul Gilbert, Vai etc rely more on clinics and tuitionals than album sales and concert tickets sold ,and while I cant comment statistically, my repsonse was that if people werent interested in playing this sort of stuff, why would people go to clinics by them??

I dont know if this makes sense, but im sure someone could elaborate should they wish to.

Okay, instrumental shred a la Shrapnel recording artists was never mainstream, agreed. I was merely pointing out that many of the techniques that we associate with shred were being used by players who were on MTV and radio in the '80's. That suggests to me that it was popular as opposed to the '90's and today.

[XibanezedgeX]

Well, I have to say shred left the mainstream in the 90s and today. It never left music but it left the popular music scene with the advant of alternative music. Like staunchally said, in the 80's all songs had "shred-ish" guitar solos, even pop songs. But today the guitar has stepped back and solos are just breaks for the singers or an outro to the song. Record Labels are to blame in my opinion. They control the movements of popular society and culture by forcing people what to listen to and artists what to play unless they want to be broke. I alos believe an artists biggest income is from touring, clinics and shirts; NOT record sales. But that only holds thru if you are signed to a major label.

[TheUltimateSin]

Ultimate Sin- I was making an observation. In 1991, the popularity of shred began to decline. What do you mean, "Maybe to you it did"?. My personal feelings have nothing to do with it. It was losing its popularity. That's not a judgment.

It didn't lose it's popularity in 1991. Shred-oriented music has never been as popular as the mainstream trends, and thus didn't really have much "popularity" in the first place. Of course there are certain musicians that don't fall into this(ie, Vai for instance, given his work with several bands that hit mainstream popularity like Whitesnake and David Lee Roth), but my initial point is that shred-based music in general wasn't really all that popular in the first place, so it's "popularity" couldn't really "decline", and thus is what I was saying when I said "maybe to you it did", because from my observations, shred music has been gaining popularity in the last decade, not losing it. I've been seeing more and more people take notice to people like Gilbert, Becker, and Govan, etc.. Hell, my MOM even started listening to Buckethead because I told her to give him a try(and I haven't seen my Colma cd since =P). So, I didn't really see where you were coming from, and got confused by what you were saying because from what I can see, it's been getting more and more attention, not declining.

[staunchally]

It didn't lose it's popularity in 1991. Shred-oriented music has never been as popular as the mainstream trends, and thus didn't really have much "popularity" in the first place. Of course there are certain musicians that don't fall into this(ie, Vai for instance, given his work with several bands that hit mainstream popularity like Whitesnake and David Lee Roth), but my initial point is that shred-based music in general wasn't really all that popular in the first place, so it's "popularity" couldn't really "decline", and thus is what I was saying when I said "maybe to you it did", because from my observations, shred music has been gaining popularity in the last decade, not losing it. I've been seeing more and more people take notice to people like Gilbert, Becker, and Govan, etc.. Hell, my MOM even started listening to Buckethead because I told her to give him a try(and I haven't seen my Colma cd since =P). So, I didn't really see where you were coming from, and got confused by what you were saying because from what I can see, it's been getting more and more attention, not declining.

From 1986-1990 MTV played Yngwie, Vai, Satriani. It was popular music. By 1992, it was over. I'm 35 now, I was there, don't tell me otherwise. What year were you were born?

[TheUltimateSin]

From 1986-1990 MTV played Yngwie, Vai, Satriani. It was popular music. By 1992, it was over. I'm 35 now, I was there, don't tell me otherwise. What year were you were born?

When I was born is irrelevant. Are you blind to not notice the gaining popularity of shred music? If things were as you say they were, then there wouldn't be more and more people gaining interest in shred music today. Just because it's not played on MTV anymore means nothing. Obviously their programming(as is the same with ALL television programming) will change because they wouldn't last if they played the same music over and over again. The albums of shred musicians are still being sold, are they not? I see younger and younger people taking interest in the music. I just turned my 16 year old brother onto Paul Gilbert two weeks ago, and he went and turned a bunch of his friends onto him afterwards who in turn now want to see him perform live someday. And that's just an example. I gaurentee you that similar happenings go on across the globe(or else they wouldn't still be selling albums to younger crowds) Declining popularity? No.

[staunchally]

When I was born is irrelevant. Are you blind to not notice the gaining popularity of shred music? If athings were as you say they were, then there wouldn't be more and more people gaining interest in shred music tody. Just because it's not played on MTV anymore means nothing. Obviously their programming(as is the same with ALL television programming) will change because they wouldn't last if they played the same music over and over again. The albums of shred musicians are still being sold, are they not? I see younger and younger people taking interest in the music. I just turned my 16 year old brother onto Paul Gilbert two weeks ago, and he went and turned a bunch of his friends onto him afterwards who in turn now want to see him perform live someday. And that's just an example. I gaurentee you that similar happenings go on across the globe(or else they wouldn't still be selling albums to younger crowds) Declining popularity? No.

Your age is relevant because you're speaking of things in which you have no personal experience. "If things were as you say they were, then there wouldn't be more and more people gaining interest in shred music today". This makes absolutely no sense. And yes, things were as I say they were. Prove me wrong.

The fact that it's not played on MTV or radio indicates that it is not mainstream.

Saying that MTV will alter its programming is conjecture not based on solid evidence. "They wouldn't last if they played the same music over and over again". This makes no sense. Popularity has always centered around repetition.

Shred albums are not sold in great numbers. It is a niche market.

It's good that more and more people are being turned on to Paul Gilbert. He was more popular in '89 than he is today.

In my first post I said there has always been an audience for shred. I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but I'll reiterate, in the '80's it was mainstream, '90's to today, it was/is not.

[TheUltimateSin]

I'm only going to pull out the parts of the post that made some sense at all, and I'm going to emphasize my initial point, and then I am going to drop this because it is a stupid thing to argue about in the first place.

The fact that it's not played on MTV or radio indicates that it is not mainstream. My point was that popularity is not centered around MTV. To think so is just plain retarded.

Saying that MTV will alter its programming is conjecture not based on solid evidence. What the hell are you on?? If they didn't alter their programming then they would still be playing the same stuff they did when they first came out? How is that not based on fact?

Shred albums are not sold in great numbers. I never stated that they were. I just said that more and more people are buying them than there used to be, which should be obvious given the larger fanbase of shred music today compared to the 80's.

He was more popular in '89 than he is today. Again, what the hell are you talking about? I know more people who know who he is and like his music today than I did when I was growing up in the 90's.

[Kailoq]

Again, what the hell are you talking about? I know more people who know who he is and like his music today than I did when I was growing up in the 90's.

Depending on which people and their ages it isn't a valid point. When people get older they'll explore more styles of music and know much more artists, no matter how long the artists have been around.

Anyways, Staunchally is just saying shred isn't mainstream anymore, which is correct. We can all agree that MTV is a pretty good way to estimate the mainstream-value of something.

I don't know if shred is more popular though. The cd's are still being sold, true, but it's still a small market compared to mainstream. You might know a lot of people who listen to shred, but there's still more people out there who never do.

You can't just compare the amount of shred cd's being bought either. You'd have to take illegal downloading into consideration, as well as the differences between marketing and the consumers'. Maybe there are just more people willing to buy a cd these days than before, because people are richer/spend money more quickly/buy cd's as if they were collectables/etc.

[TheUltimateSin]

Depending on which people and their ages it isn't a valid point. When people get older they'll explore more styles of music and know much more artists, no matter how long the artists have been around.

Anyways, Staunchally is just saying shred isn't mainstream anymore, which is correct. We can all agree that MTV is a pretty good way to estimate the mainstream-value of something.

I don't know if shred is more popular though. The cd's are still being sold, true, but it's still a small market compared to mainstream. You might know a lot of people who listen to shred, but there's still more people out there who never do.

You can't just compare the amount of shred cd's being bought either. You'd have to take illegal downloading into consideration, as well as the differences between marketing and the consumers'. Maybe there are just more people willing to buy a cd these days than before, because people are richer/spend money more quickly/buy cd's as if they were collectables/etc.

Hmm...you bring interesting points to the table...

[duggyrocks]

Im 14, and love shred (Steve Vai especially, btw, my definition of shred is music that requires a great deal of skill and muscianship, just trying to make that clear). Ive also introduced most of my friends to it. My band used to listen to Blink 182 and stuff like that, and when we started they told me to play Ramones and Sex Pistols, now for our first gig, we've got Surfing with the Alien on our set. Ive also got a classic rock guy into vai... its about spreading the love!!!!!.... sorry

[thefoldarsoldar]

Im 14, and love shred (Steve Vai especially, btw, my definition of shred is music that requires a great deal of skill and muscianship, just trying to make that clear). Ive also introduced most of my friends to it. My band used to listen to Blink 182 and stuff like that, and when we started they told me to play Ramones and Sex Pistols, now for our first gig, we've got Surfing with the Alien on our set. Ive also got a classic rock guy into vai... its about spreading the love!!!!!.... sorry


*smacks a high five*

I personally don't want shred to become mainstream. It would kill my insides to hear people talking about it just because it's the "in" genre. Don't get me wrong, I want the artists to be successful, but I'd like to keep it my (our) little wonderful secret. :p:

[insideac]

Id love for shredding to become popular on guitar. I have a favorite student, who I LOVE to teach. He is only 13 years old, and so open minded to everything. Ive taught him the basics of sweeps, he will get that down soon, and he can almost shred. I give it a few more months before he can actually hold his own.

If shredding became popular for guitar players, Id wet myself. Think about it. Yngwie, and all those first wave of shredders (I know there were earlier ones, but im talking rock/hair metal shredders, the ones people actually know) were really good and all, but nowadays, due to watching them, learning from them, in turn we now advance MUCH faster than they did. What took them 21 years we can cram into 5 years now, or less. People thought Jimi Hendrix was really good at the guitar, and then enough people tried to emulate him that it became easy....Same went for shred, as proven by all those youtube shredders, like that square headed kid (keep forgetting his name). They havent broken away from the standard "shred" stereotypes, but they can play just as good, sometimes better than the first wave of virtuosos. Later on, when kids see this new wave of shredders, they will pick it up even FASTER, and itll only improve.

[thefoldarsoldar]

Id love for shredding to become popular on guitar. I have a favorite student, who I LOVE to teach. He is only 13 years old, and so open minded to everything. Ive taught him the basics of sweeps, he will get that down soon, and he can almost shred. I give it a few more months before he can actually hold his own.

If shredding became popular for guitar players, Id wet myself. Think about it. Yngwie, and all those first wave of shredders (I know there were earlier ones, but im talking rock/hair metal shredders, the ones people actually know) were really good and all, but nowadays, due to watching them, learning from them, in turn we now advance MUCH faster than they did. What took them 21 years we can cram into 5 years now, or less. People thought Jimi Hendrix was really good at the guitar, and then enough people tried to emulate him that it became easy....Same went for shred, as proven by all those youtube shredders, like that square headed kid (keep forgetting his name). They havent broken away from the standard "shred" stereotypes, but they can play just as good, sometimes better than the first wave of virtuosos. Later on, when kids see this new wave of shredders, they will pick it up even FASTER, and itll only improve.

I totally agree with what you said. Guitarists have been steadily getting more technically proficient over the years - Hendrix> van Halen > Gilbert > buckethead , etc.

I'm talking about shred becoming popular as a genre (though I don't think we have much to worry about :p: )

[Zach Lunte]

Dudes, do you know if a vox v847 sounds good with high distortion? I'm looking into buying one but I'm not sure because I like to play with heavy distortion.

[Kailoq]

Dudes, do you know if a vox v847 sounds good with high distortion? I'm looking into buying one but I'm not sure because I like to play with heavy distortion.

I think you'd better check the guitar gear forum. Also, an example of what you think of as heavy distortion would help (megadeth or br0tal metal or...korn-ish sounds?).

Same went for shred, as proven by all those youtube shredders, like that square headed kid (keep forgetting his name).

Well, I don't think youtube shredders are a good example of people becoming better more quickly, because frankly most of them...well suck. I'm not claiming to be any better, but the majority is just sweeping for the hell of it (without proper muting), playing scales up and down, not phrasing, no dynamics, etc.

I've seen the square headed kid (typing that made me think of ol' round charlie brown ;) ) though and I have to admid he's different (and good!).

I do agree with the general idea you have, Paul Gilbert even pointed it out. In the old days everyone plays chords or blues for a few years, but nowadays people start shredding after 1 year or even a few months!

But like Freepower once put (or something along the lines of it) tons of these people skip over the important stuff, like accuracy, muting and dynamics and they end up sounding boring and bad.

[Freepower]

I totally agree with what you said. Guitarists have been steadily getting more technically proficient over the years - Hendrix> van Halen > Gilbert > buckethead , etc.

I'm talking about shred becoming popular as a genre (though I don't think we have much to worry about :p: )

Segovia>?

There were blues guitarists who were ****ing ridiculous, shredding up ragtime piano pieces on solo guitar, blah blah blah.

I think the progress of general technique isn't quite as dramatic as you're making out - and a lot of it is to do with the fact that things are simply not possible on acoustic guitar have been developed due to the ease of playability of electric - try doing a hammeron-from-nowhere lick on a 1900s acoustic... :p:

[Stratwizard]

You can't just compare the amount of shred cd's being bought either. You'd have to take illegal downloading into consideration, as well as the differences between marketing and the consumers'. Maybe there are just more people willing to buy a cd these days than before, because people are richer/spend money more quickly/buy cd's as if they were collectables/etc.

Well, most "illegally" downloaded music is mainstream pop music, but then again people are willing to actually buy shred CDs because they know they're getting an album full of good music instead of one hit song and 10 fillers.

What's happening in Finland is that mainstream CDs don't sell anymore because people just download the hit songs instead of buying the whole CD, and big stores that sell mostly mainstream stuff like Free Record Shop have had to close down, whereas record stores concentrating on "less-mainstream" music are doing well and their clientele is growing.

[Stratwizard]

I do agree with the general idea you have, Paul Gilbert even pointed it out. In the old days everyone plays chords or blues for a few years, but nowadays people start shredding after 1 year or even a few months!


Yeah, that's one thing I really dislike. I think simple chords, blues and rock are an important phase. You can't become a well-rounded guitarist if you skip the basics. I mean, look at Paul Gilbert. He can shred but he can also lay down some very cool sounding rock and blues riffs that aren't too technical. If you go straight to arpeggios and über-fast picking, you'll just become one generic bedroom shredder. Francesco Fareri is an example of this.

[sheumack111]

Yeah, that's one thing I really dislike. I think simple chords, blues and rock are an important phase. You can't become a well-rounded guitarist if you skip the basics. I mean, look at Paul Gilbert. He can shred but he can also lay down some very cool sounding rock and blues riffs that aren't too technical. If you go straight to arpeggios and über-fast picking, you'll just become one generic bedroom shredder. Francesco Fareri is an example of this.

Well said.

[Axegrinder#9]

look fellas, I think we've seen what happened, when "shred-guitar" got popular - it'd led to bands like Poison, Europe, Cindrella, Def Leppard, Dokken, and that ****. Now I'm sure a lot of people love these bands, but honestly speaking they body of work which they constitute was pretty much "pop music" for that day. Yngwie made videos with his vocalist looking like a twisted caricature of bootsy collins. **** even Van Halen was as pop as it good get, but they did a damn fine job doing that.

just 'cos you need technical skill to jerk off on the guitar doesn't stop it from being a marketable product. think of the genres of music we hear on the radio today, thinkgs like "emo" and "hardcore", the old school british rock revival bands - they've all cropped up in batches, almost of an assembly line. and the shred guitar coated in bubble gum and leather gimmick is over with. people will listen to anything if they're spoon fed that from TV or radio. the very same people who now have Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones and RATM amongst their favorite music which also includes Hinder, Death Cab, Linkin Park and Blink 182.

grunge and the alternative wave of rock which came about in the 90s was a necessary phenomenon, and so was the demise of 80s rock/metal. and yet you had John McLaughlin and Holdsworth and Santana ripping it up before - and you had bands like the Ramones, or Talking Heads which came from the other end of the spectrum.

there have always been people making different kinds of music (as permitted by available music technology), exploring their instruments from different perspectives, technical, spiritual, craptual? what not. some of the music has been great, some crappy. the record labels study demographics and create a market from the music they want to highlight, and "popularize" it eventually bastardizing and perverting it, until they select something else.

popularity thus like it has been pointed out many times before, has little to do with credibility of a genre or the artists/musicians. the best music, in my opinion, and research has always been primarily underground.

and music will keep on evolving, stylistically the sensibilities of shred guitar will be preserved in other genres in perhaps different forms - but don't hold onto "shred guitar music" - that label's done and over with. I don't even know why so many people hold onto it, perhaps out of nostalgia or a sense of elitism, or being stupid.

just ****ing enjoy and listen to good music. there's an obscene amount of it out there.

[insideac]

Yeah, that's one thing I really dislike. I think simple chords, blues and rock are an important phase. You can't become a well-rounded guitarist if you skip the basics. I mean, look at Paul Gilbert. He can shred but he can also lay down some very cool sounding rock and blues riffs that aren't too technical. If you go straight to arpeggios and über-fast picking, you'll just become one generic bedroom shredder. Francesco Fareri is an example of this.


But usually the young shredders that actually learned properly dont skip that phase. I dont know of any shredders, well known or local, that dont know how to lay down simple melodies and blues improvisation. Im sure Francesco knows how to make chords and crap, just chooses not to use any of it, at all. To each his own I spose.


Personally I think its better if a guitarist reaches "shredding" technical ability on the guitar first, above all else, and then he can spend the rest of his life learning everything else like theory, creativity, and all around experience that just comes with time. At least if he has the technical ability, he wont have to worry about "Omg I dunno how to use my pinky, Im having trouble learning these here scales to go along with this progression" or "man I bet if I could play faster, this A harmonic minor scale could give me some badass riffs". Theory takes alot longer to pick up than teh shredz0rz, plus being able to actually play the guitar and being able to noodle around proficiently while learning theory on the side is better than learning theory and studying all these types of genres and chords youll never use, and occassionally attempting to play something with them, but play it crappily.

[tubab0y]

Actually, I have a friend like that, who was playing up and down scales before he knew what scales were. He can't do improv worth crap (I'm half as good technically and a billion times better at improv) and while he's technically good, he's like MAB- it's hard to listen to.

[Kartman]

Hey, can anyone tell me what album Satch's Cool #9 is on. I heard the 2006 G6 version of it and instantly came.

[SnowballofDoom]

It's the self titled one.

Google knows too ;)

[tubab0y]

Uhh...lots of them, actually.

[SnowballofDoom]

The original one is from the self titled album, the others are live or on compilations.

[thefoldarsoldar]

Hey, can anyone tell me what album Satch's Cool #9 is on. I heard the 2006 G6 version of it and instantly came.

G6 eh? :p:

That would be epic. Marty Friedman, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Paul Gilbert, Joe Satriani, and maybe Guthrie Govan.

[Kartman]

Ooops! I meant G3 of 2006, I added them together! :haha

[tubab0y]

No, it would be Satch, Vai, JP, PG, Bumblefoot, and, say, one other guy.

[sheumack111]

But usually the young shredders that actually learned properly dont skip that phase. I dont know of any shredders, well known or local, that dont know how to lay down simple melodies and blues improvisation. Im sure Francesco knows how to make chords and crap, just chooses not to use any of it, at all. To each his own I spose.


Personally I think its better if a guitarist reaches "shredding" technical ability on the guitar first, above all else, and then he can spend the rest of his life learning everything else like theory, creativity, and all around experience that just comes with time. At least if he has the technical ability, he wont have to worry about "Omg I dunno how to use my pinky, Im having trouble learning these here scales to go along with this progression" or "man I bet if I could play faster, this A harmonic minor scale could give me some badass riffs". Theory takes alot longer to pick up than teh shredz0rz, plus being able to actually play the guitar and being able to noodle around proficiently while learning theory on the side is better than learning theory and studying all these types of genres and chords youll never use, and occassionally attempting to play something with them, but play it crappily.

I can see where your comming from, i think its more of a mentality thing though, if you start by learning to play flat out, i dont think your ever going to be instinctivley thinking melodically, rather then if you start out learning melodic stuff i think thats always going to be your instinct, and your shredding will reflect that your not just thinking of how fast the next run is going to be....

[Stratwizard]

But usually the young shredders that actually learned properly dont skip that phase. I dont know of any shredders, well known or local, that dont know how to lay down simple melodies and blues improvisation. Im sure Francesco knows how to make chords and crap, just chooses not to use any of it, at all. To each his own I spose.

Have you ever heard Fareri playing slow licks? When you do, you realise that all he has learned is to play fast arpeggios. His phrasing is terrible and the vibrato non-existent. Actually, I've never even heard him bend a string. He can't play anything else than the fast stuff. Not really a convincing musician, methinks.

Theory takes alot longer to pick up than teh shredz0rz, plus being able to actually play the guitar and being able to noodle around proficiently while learning theory on the side is better than learning theory and studying all these types of genres and chords youll never use, and occassionally attempting to play something with them, but play itcrappily.

^That's really badly phrased and worded bunch of sentences there. Anyway, I'm not saying you shouldn't start learning theory from the beginning, but starting with shred and learning complicated theory alongside, basically means you skip an important phase of understanding the basics of music. How much is it worth to be able to shred chromatics up and down the neck but then lack the basic skills and understanding?

Personally I think its better if a guitarist reaches "shredding" technical ability on the guitar first, above all else, and then he can spend the rest of his life learning everything else like theory, creativity, and all around experience that just comes with time. At least if he has the technical ability, he wont have to worry about "Omg I dunno how to use my pinky, Im having trouble learning these here scales to go along with this progression" or "man I bet if I could play faster, this A harmonic minor scale could give me some badass riffs".

Actually, I've never seen good results with starting to practice fast stuff immediately, only really generic sounding players who can only play a couple of fast licks and lack all the basic skills. I mean all the shredders that are really versatile and also technically proficient have started with the basic stuff and then just applied the speed to them.

This is what Guthrie says:

I always worry about players who try to learn the whole of a Dream Theater album before they have a solid grounding in basic rhythm styles, blues licks, vibrato, string bending – all that basic important stuff. Once you have the core basics down, every other style is an avenue you can explore if you so desire, but the Rock players who sound really convincing are the ones who started with these basic skills and steadily worked upwards – and the same thing surely applies with Fusion or any other style.

[Kartman]

If I made a G6 it would feature Vai, Satch, Paul Gilbert, John Petrucci, Eric Johnson and I dunno.

[Hidde]

I remember at some point in this thread someone commented on how nowadays kids that have only been playing for a couple years reach a level of skill that would be considered virtuostic (or whatever the word is) in the seventies.

I realized recently that this is true. Back in the seventies guys like Syn Gates would be hailed for their technique (if nothing else) but now we look at him and say "Meh. His technique is so-so".

Why do you think this is?

[Stratwizard]

Why do you think this is?

Progress.

[public property]

The internet, just shows how much progress a pool of information can achieve and in worse cases, pooling stupidity an blogging, it can repress.

[Kartman]

Lol A friend of mine just got into Steve Vai, and since he knew I've been a longtime fan he commented me this on Myspace:

"steve vai rapes tits yai yai"

:haha

[Axegrinder#9]

so anyway I just ordered a Fender American Deluxe HSS Strat, in 3 color sunburst and maple fingerboard.... it's only the waiting period now :liplick:

[tubab0y]

I just ordered parts to rebuild my wah, booster, and my GRO...anytime now.

[duggyrocks]

I had a dream last night that John Petrucci died, then my mum killed Guthrie Govan and he was reincarnated as a guitar :S

[Beckerism]

Woohoo for college. :D

[duggyrocks]

:haha I'm 14

[Axegrinder#9]

I had a dream last night that John Petrucci died, then my mum killed Guthrie Govan and he was reincarnated as a guitar :S

intense. I had once dreamt that I had lunch with Satch at a fancy restaurant where he proceeded to get drunk. :p:

[duggyrocks]

Awesome. So what's Joe like drunk :P:?

The way my mom killed Guthrie was quite comical. She though he was a "bad influence" on me, so she "accidently" tipped a wardrobe on him. Yeah, accidently.

So anyway, I bought surfing with the alien a few weeks ago, then I was in a music shop today and saw the 20th aniversairy version, that includes a live dvd, for £2 dearer than I bought the first one. ARSE!

[Axegrinder#9]

haha you can see that for yourself on Satch's new DVD which covers the live show at Anaheim California. It's a 2 Disc set. on the second disc, which has ZZ's Podcasts, there's a bit where Satch is ****ing chugging a bottle of Jack straight up before a gig. It's hilarious!

[DaFjory]

I keep having dreams that Dave Mustaine pays a visit to my house or something, and that my mum offers to make him tea...

Proper whacked! :p:

[MavataR]

i had a dream i was playing basketball and a fat black guy squashed me and i got up and he transformed into a female body builder. One time i had a dream and jeff loomis was in it but tahts all i remember.

[Freepower]

I had a dream where my gf and her friend removed the floorboards of a balcony, and seeing as they were now living next to a huge drop, i slapped her lots for being so stupid.

Seriously. :confused:

[Matt_Malmsteen]

I had a dream where me and Dave Grohl were jumping over zebra-crossings whilst listening to Times Like These. That was weird.

Then yesterday actually I had a dream about shaking Paul Gilbert's hand...which was really odd.

^^BTW FP, I just read the 3 links in your sig, and I'm going to go through them when I can be arsed to re-string my guitar. Good stuff :golfclap:

[Freepower]

^ thanks, i hope you get a lot out of em. :)

[thefoldarsoldar]

^ thanks, i hope you get a lot out of em. :)


I've got them bookmarked :cheers:

[chase09]

I saw Joe Bonamassa live at the Fraze Pavilion in Kettering, Ohio on Friday. He did some really neat stuff, although some of his songs were a little repetitive and many of his vocals were of the cliche blues type. His vibrato is also way too fast and I found it annoying. His acoustic has an awesome tone though, and the best part of the concert was when he pulled that out for 3 songs and played by himself. What does everyone else think of him?

[tubab0y]

Yeah, he's a little too cliche for me.

[Stratwizard]

Hey guys I'd appreciate if you could click the link on my sig and that way vote me on a little competition.

[Hidde]

What do I click on to vote?

[Axegrinder#9]

so anyway, I'm just chilling and playing some blues on me new American Deluxe strat. this guitar is almost organic - if it played any better, I'd think it had a mind of its own.

PS: anyone looking to invest in this guitar, buy it. you will not regret it!

[dns410]

so how fast do you think you have to play for it to be considered shred?

[Axegrinder#9]

^faster than the speed of light I'd think

[Matt_Malmsteen]

^^Pft, playing faster than the speed of light is for n00bs.

[Stratwizard]

What do I click on to vote?

The big "Click here to vote me" link on my sig. :p:

[Freepower]

^ tbh, i don't think it's cool to trick people into voting for you without seeing the competition... :no:

[Stratwizard]

Well, fair enough but there wasn't room for other links in my sig and this was the most simple way. Besides everything on the competition page is in Finnish so you couldn't understand any of it anyway.

[Axegrinder#9]

^^Pft, playing faster than the speed of light is for n00bs.


troo dat

[Hidde]

Questions:

1. Anyone have a powertab for Guthrie's 'Fives'?
2. How about 'Waves'?
3. I hold my pick between my thumb, pointer and middle fingers. I recently noticed that no one else seems to to hold the pick this way. Is there something wrong with this that I'm not seeing?
4.Everybody always says you should pick from the wrist but how much elbow movement should ther be when picking as from the wrist?

[Night_Lights]

anyone read Young Guitar magazine? its fantastic, my grandmother in japn sent me the newest one with Ritchie Kotzen on the cover. its like a freaking book, its quite thick and with a very high quality color gloss pages and whatnot. anyway the most interesting article i found was an in depth study of the vibrato of top players such as george lynch, yngwie, vai, etc... they drew this wavy graph simulating the distance from the note they bend to in their vibrato and how fast they do it. interesting. George has the most crazy vibrato graph, slash and laiho had pretty weak ones, steve vai has a unique one too.

definitely check it out. the dvd is great too, Kotzen and shane gibson give extensive lessons.

[Resiliance]

^I don't speak Japanese :(

Questions:
3. I hold my pick between my thumb, pointer and middle fingers. I recently noticed that no one else seems to to hold the pick this way. Is there something wrong with this that I'm not seeing?
4.Everybody always says you should pick from the wrist but how much elbow movement should ther be when picking as from the wrist?

3. Yes, holding it with three fingers generates unnecessary tension. Thumb & pointer finger is the way to go. Leaves the middle finger free for tapping or hybrid picking too.

4. Enough to get your wrist from string to string.

[Stratwizard]

1. Anyone have a powertab for Guthrie's 'Fives'?
2. How about 'Waves'?


Check out Govan's discussion forum.

[Scorzerci]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gbyv8bLeG_o

First off, let me say that Vai has the weirdest music videos ever.

But at 4:25-4:26 does anyone else glimpse penis? I don't know if there has been a thread about this before....and don't think I'm creepy....but watching this made me lol.
LOL!

[Hidde]

^ :haha

Yeah. I think you do.


Anywho. Can someone post a pic of how they hold their picks? I want to try something different.

[ibason]

Is petrucci on steroids?

[Stratwizard]

Probably.

[ibason]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gbyv8bLeG_o

First off, let me say that Vai has the weirdest music videos ever.

But at 4:25-4:26 does anyone else glimpse penis? I don't know if there has been a thread about this before....and don't think I'm creepy....but watching this made me lol

OMG!!! I've seen Steve Vai's penis.

[CanCan]

Awesome video! I'm stunned to realize that Pia was actually hotter than she is now. The lesson is, hot chicks go for Vai.

[DaFjory]

Say, does anyone else get a kick out of downtuning instrumental songs by a quarter-tone using audio editing progs? I've been doing it for years, and it still never ceases to make me grin from ear to ear!

I don't exactly know why a song dropped in pitch by half a semitone sounds so fascinating to my ears, but nonetheless it's something I seem to do with every single instrumental song I can get my hands on. Anything from Petrucci, to Rush, to Lane, to Hendrix, to VH, to Maiden... anything instrumental.

I suppose the term I could use to describe the tonal quality of a quarter tone change in pitch would be "spongy". It's like, you squeeze a sponge – it takes on a completely new shape – then you let go, and it always returns to its original form. Apply it to a pitch (or, in this case, an entire song), and the result is that the ear knows what the original song sounds like, but somehow the minute change in pitch almost has the effect of a 'new' song being heard!

That's how I figure it, anyway. For me, dropping a song in pitch by a mere quarter tone seems to give it a breath of new life or something. Dunno why, dunno how. But try it! :)

[Kartman]

Is petrucci on steroids?
:confused:

He's pretty skinny.

[Axegrinder#9]

Say, does anyone else get a kick out of downtuning instrumental songs by a quarter-tone using audio editing progs? I've been doing it for years, and it still never ceases to make me grin from ear to ear!

I don't exactly know why a song dropped in pitch by half a semitone sounds so fascinating to my ears, but nonetheless it's something I seem to do with every single instrumental song I can get my hands on. Anything from Petrucci, to Rush, to Lane, to Hendrix, to VH, to Maiden... anything instrumental.

I suppose the term I could use to describe the tonal quality of a quarter tone change in pitch would be "spongy". It's like, you squeeze a sponge – it takes on a completely new shape – then you let go, and it always returns to its original form. Apply it to a pitch (or, in this case, an entire song), and the result is that the ear knows what the original song sounds like, but somehow the minute change in pitch almost has the effect of a 'new' song being heard!

That's how I figure it, anyway. For me, dropping a song in pitch by a mere quarter tone seems to give it a breath of new life or something. Dunno why, dunno how. But try it! :)

wow that seems like a really neat idea

[Godly Moose]

:confused:

He's pretty skinny.

Have you seen him lately?

[duggyrocks]

Say, does anyone else get a kick out of downtuning instrumental songs by a quarter-tone using audio editing progs? I've been doing it for years, and it still never ceases to make me grin from ear to ear!

I don't exactly know why a song dropped in pitch by half a semitone sounds so fascinating to my ears, but nonetheless it's something I seem to do with every single instrumental song I can get my hands on. Anything from Petrucci, to Rush, to Lane, to Hendrix, to VH, to Maiden... anything instrumental.

I suppose the term I could use to describe the tonal quality of a quarter tone change in pitch would be "spongy". It's like, you squeeze a sponge – it takes on a completely new shape – then you let go, and it always returns to its original form. Apply it to a pitch (or, in this case, an entire song), and the result is that the ear knows what the original song sounds like, but somehow the minute change in pitch almost has the effect of a 'new' song being heard!

That's how I figure it, anyway. For me, dropping a song in pitch by a mere quarter tone seems to give it a breath of new life or something. Dunno why, dunno how. But try it! :)

Cool idea. I only tried this with SWTA, but i found i more amused by down tuning it a whole step than a quarter step using audacity, I dont know why, it just sounded more different in F

[Phreaky]

Does any have a tab/link to Kotzens version of the intro to Green Tinted Sixties Mind? I've learnt Gilbertos tapped way but Kotzens version looks like a different challenge all together.

[paddyo]

Hey.:)

[Kartman]

Have you seen him lately?
No I haven't. Pics plz?

[SnowballofDoom]

No I haven't. Pics plz?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/G3%20-%20Live%20in%20Chicago/n48700477_30429932_9795.jpg

Left to right it's like the food chain...

[Kartman]

^I like Paul Gilbert's style, man. He dresses hella cool. And ya gotta love Satch's face in this, he looks funny.:p:

But about John P, he doesn't really look buffer, just chunkier. He doesn't look very muscley at all.

[Resiliance]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/John_Petrucci_%28H.I.%29.jpg

Pretty damn muscular to me :p:

[Stratwizard]

Haha that pic is funny! I can only imagine him wanking those three note picking licks with his poor spastic arm technique! :haha

[Kartman]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/John_Petrucci_%28H.I.%29.jpg

Pretty damn muscular to me :p:
Ohh... oh wow. Yeah, that's pretty damn muscular!

[bassmanjoe08]

Lol, watch some the G3 2007 vids on youtube. John points to Paul after his solo and it looks like has a tree trunk for an arm.

[ibason]

I don't care about his practice routine. I want to know his workout routine.

[Resiliance]

I don't care about his practice routine. I want to know his workout routine.

:haha

[Freepower]

Hey.:)

Guess who's in stillorgan, mofo? :D

[Resiliance]

FP and Paddy, get posting more, damnit.

[Freepower]

I've been finding and moving house mfo, and i don't have no intrawebz for an hours journey around my new house.

Plus i'm now living wit my shekshy gf and my shekshy geetar. That means less time for UG, more cuddles and Moto Perpetuo.

Looks like i'm going to be working in a ****ty shop for a year. :p: Otoh, there seem to be some ****ing brilliant teachers about. So, i may get a lot out of this year.

We gotta meets some time paddy, give us an email. :)

[tubab0y]

So I recently went back to analog (you know, those big plastic things) and I'm loving it. You can find a lot of pretty good new stuff on records (systematic chaos, for example; SWTA, some SRV, lots of rush, etc.) It sounds so much better (Denon poweramp and bose speakers, biotches.) I only miss the shuffle function.

[The Virtuoso]

Does anyone know the tuning for this song?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50507788

The second one "For Sephora".

And also for this one

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4a64uyOUw_A

Thanks! :peace:

[eviledge87]

Django usually played in Standard, i think.

[The Virtuoso]

Django usually played in Standard, i think.

You think! Hmm, *examines you* :peace:

What about For Sephora?

[Stratwizard]

So I recently went back to analog (you know, those big plastic things)

You mean vinyl records?

[Resiliance]

Does anyone know the tuning for this song?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50507788

The second one "For Sephora".

And also for this one

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4a64uyOUw_A

Thanks! :peace:

Both standard.

[ibason]

Originally Posted by The Virtuoso
Does anyone know the tuning for this song?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...iendid=50507788

The second one "For Sephora".

And also for this one

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4a64uyOUw_A

Thanks!



Both standard.

:haha

[johnny_tapia]

:haha
Yep that is giggle worthy :haha

[The Virtuoso]

?... What's so funny about me asking a question?

[johnny_tapia]

?... What's so funny about me asking a question?
Just the fact that they were both in standard tuning. Not a crack at you, just mild banter :cheers:

[The Virtuoso]

Well I didn't know, I searched For Sephora here and nothing and I had a feeling the other one was standard but I was just making sure...

[johnny_tapia]

Well I didn't know, I searched For Sephora here and nothing and I had a feeling the other one was standard but I was just making sure...
Its cool man, better to make sure :cheers:

[tubab0y]

You mean vinyl records?
Yeah, 33s.

[The Deullist]

Any Impellitteri fans out there?

[Evil_Magician]

I posted this in a thread but imma ask here too :

Need songs for a music school test.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah like in a couple of months , i will try to get in some music school and one thing you gotta do during the test is play some sort of song.
It has to be as impressive as possible so i get more chances to get in the school (its like 1 out of 5 people come in and it all depends on the grades and the score you get during the test).

I want to prepare realy good , so its best if i start working on it now.

I would probably play some cacophony/becker song but im not good enough at sweeping.

Oh and please no "play some blues" comments , theres gonna be a test on that too, i just need some nice shreddy songs (preferably neoclassical, or classical)

Thank in advance


PS. I can play Malmsteens Icarus dream without any problems , but do you think that would be good enough?
I personaly realy like it .

[Matt_Malmsteen]

^^Try Blackstar by Malmsteen or Far Beyond The Sun. Or alternatively try some Symphony X stuff.

Does it have to be someone elses song or an original?

[Evil_Magician]

Actualy im not 100% sure.
I mean , i think it can be an original and i am writing some stuff but i want you to name some songs anyway.
Thanks.

Hey guys please keep coming with suggestions .

The last time i checked out far beyond the sun was like a year ago and at that time it felt insane and i never realy tried it again.
So now i tried playing along with the GP tab and i nail everything , its not as hard as it seemed.

I gonna go for it i think , but please come up with some more suggestions (in the league of FBTS ;) )

[wil]

Technical Difficulties!!^^^
Snakebite!!
Rhode Island Shred!! :eek:

Also, this is not shred related at all but i dont really trust the other forums, but this guy i work with played a song the other day ----he has 100s of MP3 CDs which he plays at random, so simply looking for the song is like the proverbial needle in the haystack---which I said sounded kinda Radioheadish but he swears is the Foo Fighters= Now, Im 99% sure its neither of these, but Its a pretty slow song and it sounded like a Dorian type progression (my primitive ear would guess at the chords Em to A7 etc (( think Breathe by Floyd)) ) and the outro was a slow and steady repetition of the lyrics ( i think) ''Everybody needs someone, somehow (?) ''

Now Im sure some of the hardened posters here will tell me to search the net but ive tried and tried and come up with nothing. I dont even really care, I didnt even really like the song, I just feel compelled to tell this guy that it was NOT the Foo Fighters. Its got to to the stage now where I need to know---please anybody?

[Evil_Magician]

Hmmmm the Beatles song "Free as a bird" http://youtube.com/watch?v=0D196-oXw2k

It i kinda similar to "Breath" .

Maybe ?



BTW.Rhode Island Shred is awesome hehe :D

[eviledge87]

I second the Technical Difficulties suggestion, it's a fairly challenging song, and if you nail it people will prolly be impressed

[insideac]

Rhode Island Shred?!?! WHAT IS THAT!? I live there! :D


And can someone please crit my vibrato and tell me if its crap or if its good, what can I work on, etc?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l2KrcNmuKSM


Wait a bit before it comes in, I do it slow sometimes, and sometimes a bit faster in there.

[Beckerism]

Rhode Island Shred?!?! WHAT IS THAT!? I live there! :D



Ay! ME TOO! Well, I'm here for school. :p:

[insideac]

Oh yeah? What school? We should jam ;) lol

[Beckerism]

Brown. I don't have my guitar with me though. My mom thought that it would distract me from school too much. Next semester though. :liplick:

[sheumack111]

Evil Magician:

Hey im in much the same boat as you, im applying for UNSW and The Con in sydney.... They ask for two contrasting pieces for my audition, so what im doing is a classical guitar piece (Guiliani's Rondo), to show that i have the ability to read music, and ive created a latin Di Meola-Santana-esq backing track with some crazy key changes and stuff, to show i can improvise and show off my chops... I figure thats a preety big contrast.... Classical to Latin shred haha...

[C.C. Deville]

Rhode Island Shred?!?! WHAT IS THAT!? I live there! :D


And can someone please crit my vibrato and tell me if its crap or if its good, what can I work on, etc?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l2KrcNmuKSM


Wait a bit before it comes in, I do it slow sometimes, and sometimes a bit faster in there.
that was pretty kool, i personally use a very wide vibrato but in the video its kinda hard to get a good idea

[Evil_Magician]

Evil Magician:

Hey im in much the same boat as you, im applying for UNSW and The Con in sydney.... They ask for two contrasting pieces for my audition, so what im doing is a classical guitar piece (Guiliani's Rondo), to show that i have the ability to read music, and ive created a latin Di Meola-Santana-esq backing track with some crazy key changes and stuff, to show i can improvise and show off my chops... I figure thats a preety big contrast.... Classical to Latin shred haha...


Sounds kick ass.

Although i am a classical lover im not so fond with latin shred.
But i do like some jazz , so i might aswell try jamming over something with hard key changes.
Or learn some Jazz piece cause i know that people at muic schools ussualy realy apreciate that .

thanks

[Evil_Magician]

Sorry for double post , internet crashed whenever i tried to edit my previous post.

ANyway , i checked out Shawn Lanes "Gray Pianos Flying" and that piece i exactly what i need for the audition.
1. Its not very long , just past 3 minutes
2.It has some realy tasty and demanding shred licks
3.It has a loads of tasty melodies
4.Its jazzy
5.It has some key changes
6. It exceeds 14NPS and thats where i can still pick cleanely so it will show of mah skills.
7.Its realy jammable

Yeah its what i needed.
Now PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE........

[Evil_Magician]

Hey guys , im wondering.

Ok so , basicly EVH is aid to have started the modern shred style in 1978 when they releaed the debut album
But in 1979 , Shawn Lane was already shredding like a beast ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=MpZhNmGMUZk)

So why isnt he mentioned in the shred history ?

[public property]

Because shawn lane didn't have a singer that did gymnast moves on stage and didn't write songs about sex and partying, but to sum it all up he just wasn't in a rock band, or the limelight.

This is only on the surface of popular music though, in the world of jazz and musicianship and freepower, he is very much an honored musician.

[neoshredder1]

At progulus.com (Internet Radio) every tuesday at 12pm central there is a neoclassical hour. Also at the same time on Wednesdays and thursday there is a jazz fusion hour and shred hour. Check it out if you have a chance.

[Freepower]

Because shawn lane didn't have a singer that did gymnast moves on stage and didn't write songs about sex and partying, but to sum it all up he just wasn't in a rock band, or the limelight.

This is only on the surface of popular music though, in the world of jazz and musicianship and freepower, he is very much an honored musician.

Speaking of Eddie and Shawn, they met once - Eddie had him kicked out of the party for pwning him.

:p:

[im_hungry]

Speaking of Eddie and Shawn, they met once - Eddie had him kicked out of the party for pwning him.

:p:
Did that really happen?

[Freepower]

I got the story from someone who knew shawn pretty well, so i'd say yes.

Otoh, there are a lot of people who act as they were the Sensei's butt buddy for fifty years, so i'd treat it as you would a lot of shawn stories -

know it, but don't believe it.

That one, though, i think it may well have happened, a lot of the details matched up pretty well. Shawn did have a habit of pwning guitar gods for a while, he definately did the Nuge - on stage, and that's got plenty of witnesses. :)

[duggyrocks]

Guess what....... this is my..............................

1000th post! Hurray! Id like to thank Jesus.. and.. and.. Chuck norris yeah, and also Johny Myung.


Anway, does any else hate having a small memory mp3 player/phone memory card beause you run the risk of boring yourself of some albums because you listen to them too much? I rarely can be bothered to change the songs on my mobile phone, and Im gonna have to wait a long time before listening to SWTA or Dreaming #11 again :(

[ibason]

^ I feel you bro.

[Erc]

I've never undestood why people could stand listening to music off of their mobile phone. The sound quality is horrid =/

[Evil_Magician]

Well listening straight trough the phone speaker is horrible and i highly discourage people to do that .
But most newer phones can be used with headphones . The sound quality on my Nokia is much better than on my MP3 player.

[duggyrocks]

Yeah, mine has headphone capability, but the quality still isnt anywhere near being able to touch the sound of some decent speakers and a stereo.

[Stratwizard]

w00t my PGM arrived today! I shall post some pics and sound clips tomorrow. :cool:

[Lemoninfluence]

w00t my PGM arrived today! I shall post some pics and sound clips tomorrow. :cool:
I. HATE. YOU. :peace:

I was looking at buying one but I couldn't find any to try and, although I'd trust something associated with PG, I couldn't justify to myself (or my mate who wants me to move in instead of getting a new guitar) spending that much money on a guitar I haven't even played.

tell me it's horrible so that I don't feel bad for not getting it.

please.

[duggyrocks]

I played one at a shop once, it was awesome! Amazing playability, but the tone wasnt for me, but hey, everyones got an opinion

[Lemoninfluence]

I saw one signed by PG on sale in my local shop for £700.

unfortunately at the time, I was just starting out and had no idea who pg was.

neither did my more experienced friend, so when I introduced my friend to PG he was gutted.

He'd been there the day PG was there, had seen him play and had no idea who he was and in the process had missed the opportunity to get stuff signed by the only 'shredder' he likes.

serves him right for not liking shred :p:

[johnny_tapia]

I saw one signed by PG on sale in my local shop for £700.

unfortunately at the time, I was just starting out and had no idea who pg was.

neither did my more experienced friend, so when I introduced my friend to PG he was gutted.

He'd been there the day PG was there, had seen him play and had no idea who he was and in the process had missed the opportunity to get stuff signed by the only 'shredder' he likes.

serves him right for not liking shred :p:
:eek:

[Lemoninfluence]

:eek:

that was the exact face I pulled when I realised who PG was (my face went yellow and everything).

there was the pgm and a signed laney gh100l half stack.

[johnny_tapia]

that was the exact face I pulled when I realised who PG was (my face went yellow and everything).

there was the pgm and a signed laney gh100l half stack.
You and your friend deserve a slap :peace:

Although you really have motivated to save that little bit more money for my PGM :D

[Lemoninfluence]

You and your friend deserve a slap :peace:

Although you really have motivated to save that little bit more money for my PGM :D

sorry... :(

I was a noob who had only been into rock music about 5 months longer than I'd been playing guitar for (think single digit months).

at that point I hadn't even heard of vai or satch, nevermind PG.

as far as I was concerned kirk hammett was the bestest shredder ever and my aim was to become half as good as jimmy page (and even that was optimistic I thought).

*shudder*

it simultaneously scares and amuses me when I think back .

[johnny_tapia]

it simultaneously scares and amuses me when I think back .
We all make mistakes ;)

[ibason]

as far as I was concerned kirk hammett was the bestest shredder ever and my aim was to become half as good as jimmy page (and even that was optimistic I thought).


I was like that at one time too. Though I do still like their music. I just don't want to play like them.

[RearyGay]

That one, though, i think it may well have happened, a lot of the details matched up pretty well. Shawn did have a habit of pwning guitar gods for a while, he definately did the Nuge - on stage, and that's got plenty of witnesses. :)

Link?

[The Virtuoso]

I have a question...Why is "The Black Page" by Frank Zappa considered "impossible" to play? I heard it and it doesn't seem to impressive to me :confused:.

[Resiliance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Page

More of a sight reading / timing / drummer thing really.

[public property]

The black page is pretty intense timing wise. Zappa never actually played it though, only his stunt guitarists did some of the parts and from what I've heard they almost always played a 'dumbed down' version of it.

[pristigerocker]

yo im new to the forum i was wondering if anyone could help my try to tweak my sound to get that power metal full tone (kinda something like Adrian smith's sound)

[flamencogod]

talking about Zappa.

I went to the Zappa plays Zappa gig last wednesday... (second time) and it blew me away. They were much better than the last time I saw them, which was their first show ever. Dweezil got much better on guitar and on stage. Frank Zappa played along quite alot on a big video screen with only his singing and guitar mixing with the live band playing... really great to see a "guitar duel" between Zappa and Dweezil Zappa.

Anyone else been to the tour?

[Resiliance]

Last year, yeah.

[tubab0y]

You guys should all check out this jazz pianist named Eldar. I saw/met him last night, he's pretty cool and a crazy player too.

www.eldarjazz.com.

[sheumack111]

talking about Zappa.

I went to the Zappa plays Zappa gig last wednesday... (second time) and it blew me away. They were much better than the last time I saw them, which was their first show ever. Dweezil got much better on guitar and on stage. Frank Zappa played along quite alot on a big video screen with only his singing and guitar mixing with the live band playing... really great to see a "guitar duel" between Zappa and Dweezil Zappa.

Anyone else been to the tour?

Im going in about a month or two... Cant wait. Vai is on guitar for the aus tour aswell.

[flamencogod]

it was really great to see vai on guitar with the zappa band, too bad he wasn't there on my second show, same with terry bozzio.

That single Steve Vai solo was the best I've ever heard!

[Resiliance]

You guys should all check out this jazz pianist named Eldar. I saw/met him last night, he's pretty cool and a crazy player too.

www.eldarjazz.com.

Great stuff. Just bought his latest album. Thanks.

Similarly, I recently saw Bojan Z (http://www.bojanz.com). The guy's crazy... Playing two Rhodes and a grand at the same time, with lots of crazy effects, all the while playing some groovy jazz and kicking ass.

[tubab0y]

Sweet. Thanks.

And eldar played a bunch of amazing covers too, some of my favorite jazz songs ever- cute, moanin', take the 'a' train, a couple other total classics.

[Resiliance]

Moanin'... Art Blakey or Mingus? Different songs innit. They both kick ass though.


... And he played standards! Not covers! Get the nomenclature down! :p:

[tubab0y]

Sorry, that's what happens when you muck around in multiple genres.

And it was the Art Blakey version.

[spoonman_aic]

i would say John Petrucci is the best shredder from what ive heard of shredders, Steve Vai and Joe Satriani

They guys from dragonforce can shred pretty fast

[duggyrocks]

^well, on record they can, but in reality they can't ;)

[frankieD2989]

^well, on record they can, but in reality they can't ;)



It's soooo true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5g8l5Ylks&mode=related&search=Dragonforce

[which ones pink]

^That's why so many people hate Dragonforce, Li isn't really all that fast, and they can't play live, they're always drunk and out of tune. Any band that can't play live doesn't deserve to be called a band imo.

[eviledge87]

Apperently their latest cd (Inhuman Rampage) is Protooled to hell and back. So it's possible that they didn't even play their solos in the studio, just recorded them in parts and stuck them together.

I think it would be real funny if it was discovered that Herman Li and Sam Totman didn't play any of the solos, if it was all just studio musicians. I could believe it.

[sword shredder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXx1_rBaeyE

[CJRocker]

Apperently their latest cd (Inhuman Rampage) is Protooled to hell and back. So it's possible that they didn't even play their solos in the studio, just recorded them in parts and stuck them together.

I think it would be real funny if it was discovered that Herman Li and Sam Totman didn't play any of the solos, if it was all just studio musicians. I could believe it.

I honestly think, even though they joke about it, Sam has some issues with alcohol. He is apparently consistently drunk in concert to where he has a hard time playing (and I had a friend go to a concert who can confirm this), and apparently he isn't too good in concert to begin with.

[gatpakermac]

when they came to new zealand the crowd was the most embarrasing thing I've ever been a part of. But thats no real reason for sam to get as drunk as he was. He was absolutely thrashed and fell over alot.

[Kailoq]

w00t my PGM arrived today! I shall post some pics and sound clips tomorrow. :cool:

Ditto! :D
Praise to teh e-bay.

I'm all happy and peppy about it, but there's 2 things bugging me a little bit.

The case/guitar had a dodgy smell. Not sure how to describe it. I've heard about other people who bought a guitar that smelled like chocolat/pancakes/whatever.

The playability is almost as good as my squire strat's. I don't know whether this means I'm numb to playability or if I'm just so pro I play equally well on everything (I doubt it though, I can't really shredzors well on my acoustic.).

I gotta adjust the action a little bit too, it's a tad too low for my liking.

Apart from that, jubilation!

[Axegrinder#9]

man, I've been playing on the new Fender American Deluxe strats for the past month or so, after I bought one off online - there's something to be said for playing a strat.

that **** makes your playing sound so hip - I like the clean sound of the guitar soo much, I don't even bother going thru my FX unit when I'm playing by myself - plugging straight thru into the clean channel of my B52 with a touch of reverb, and I can play a G13#11 the whole day :D

the action's a lil' higher than what I would have ideally liked it to be, but since it makes you work a lil' harder to pick away at a fast passage, it's worth the effort - it doesn't let you get away easy! but the tone is quite godly - I'd never thought that I'd be in a position to come close to emulating Jeff Beck or EJ's guitar sound, but damn, with the right settings and fiddling with the tone and vol. knobs, I can get pretty darn close...

the best part is the S1 switching system, engage that **** and you get a straight up jazz guitar sound (atleast as well as you could on a solidbody) - the SCN pups designed by Bill Lawrence have to be heard to be believed.

[Hidde]

Hey, a couple of months ago someone posted a guitar pro file of Guthrie's Waves. Can someone repost it so I don't have to search through the past fifty pages?

Thanks

[eviledge87]

i've been thinking about buying a V shape guitar lately. I'd probably either go for a Jackson or the Dean Mustaine V. (Partly cause im a Megadeth freak, and cause i dont like most dean headstocks, but the one on Mustaine's sig V is good)

thoughts or advice?

[Hidde]

I love the RR models

[Axegrinder#9]

probably very impractical to sit down and chill and play

[eviledge87]

I love the RR models

i doubt i would get a RR V, i don't like their shape much, i'd rather have the guitar be symmetrical. Also I'm not a big Rhoads fan anyway.

[Hidde]

probably very impractical to sit down and chill and play

Not really. That nonsymetrical shape really helps it rest on your knee well.

[Axegrinder#9]

Not really. That nonsymetrical shape really helps it rest on your knee well.

didn't help me at all. and there's something about these "extreme" looking guitars, which makes you not want to take the guitar player seriously - unless you happen to be Marty Friedman or Dimebag (RIP).

that's why Alexi Laiho cracks me up. and the fact that he probably is related to Avril Lavigne.

[Beckerism]

that's why Alexi Laiho cracks me up. and the fact that he probably is related to Avril Lavigne.

El oh ****ing El.

[johnny_tapia]

This thread needs to get back on track :(
Too much talk of Alexi Laiho....

[The Virtuoso]

So, I just listened to King Crimson for the first time, I heard the song "In the court of the crimson king" and...it was pretty damn good! Anything else I should check out by them or something related?

[sheumack111]

So, I just listened to King Crimson for the first time, I heard the song "In the court of the crimson king" and...it was pretty damn good! Anything else I should check out by them or something related?

That whole album is awesome, especially 21st century Schiziod man... Killer guitar solo, Fripp is soo damn under-rated...

"Larks tounges in aspic" and I think "Red" are both worth checking out....

[The Virtuoso]

That whole album is awesome, especially 21st century Schiziod man... Killer guitar solo, Fripp is soo damn under-rated...

"Larks tounges in aspic" and I think "Red" are both worth checking out....

Cool, I was recommended to check out "In the court of the crimson king" so I checked out the title track and liked it so yeah :cool:. I'll try to check out those other albums to.

Are there any other bands like this to that you would recommend?

[sheumack111]

Cool, I was recommended to check out "In the court of the crimson king" so I checked out the title track and liked it so yeah :cool:. I'll try to check out those other albums to.

Are there any other bands like this to that you would recommend?

Hmm well theres hundreds really... Pink Floyd is one of the most obvious choices, Mars Volta, early Emerson Lake and Palmer, Early Yes ("Close to the edge" and "Fragile" are must haves), Rush, Genesis, Cammel even bares some similarities....

[The Virtuoso]

Hmm well theres hundreds really... Pink Floyd is one of the most obvious choices, Mars Volta, early Emerson Lake and Palmer, Early Yes ("Close to the edge" and "Fragile" are must haves), Rush, Genesis, Cammel even bares some similarities....

Cool, I know most of those but I've never really gotten into depth with them. I've probably heard the most from Pink Floyd because my dad loves them haha. Thanks. :peace:

[duggyrocks]

I love Pink Floyd, and Im just getting into progressive rock in general lately (Rush, Yes, etc).


Does anyone else find learning to use odd time sigs and using syncopation more rewarding than shear speed (by speed I mean the 14 year old youtube 16ths note type crap ;) )?

[tubab0y]

I love odd time signatures- yay 7/16!

[bucky_2300]

didn't help me at all. and there's something about these "extreme" looking guitars, which makes you not want to take the guitar player seriously - unless you happen to be Marty Friedman or Dimebag (RIP).

that's why Alexi Laiho cracks me up. and the fact that he probably is related to Avril Lavigne.


I yearn for the day when we can say Dimebag (RIP)'s name without (RIP) after it. Because seriously, Dimebag (RIP) was an awesome guitarist, but it's getting a bit much.

[Axegrinder#9]

na it's cool, I have a dimebag fanclub going on. we catch squirrels and shoot 'em up with heroin.

[sheumack111]

Hey guys,

I just finished recording a track inspired by Al Di Meola etc called latin love... Im just about to do UNI auditions so it would be much appreciated if I could get some feedback.... Also tell me what you think if the production, ive just set up my own studio and am still learning the ropes, so any opinions would be greatly appreciated...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endid=265317121

C4C

:peace:

[im_hungry]

^ Link doesn't work.

[sheumack111]

Dammit!!!

www.myspace.com/samuelmacdonaldsheumackandfriends

see if that works...

[geluidsterroris]

kirk hammett

[Lemoninfluence]

kirk hammett
ooh, oooh.

I know this one...

erm... the guitarist for metallica.

what's the next random outburst?

[buckethead_jr]

^:haha

What is Kirk Hammett doing in the shred chat thread?

[Axegrinder#9]

this is funny ev'rytime I visit this forum, it seems to me it's always the same bunch of topics - makes me sad.

[Lemoninfluence]

this is funny ev'rytime I visit this forum, it seems to me it's always the same bunch of topics - makes me sad.

it's not like its a very popular genre.

so it doesn't really get much traffic.

[ibason]

kirk hammett

Marty Friedman

[eviledge87]

kirk hammett

:puke:

[Resiliance]

this is funny ev'rytime I visit this forum, it seems to me it's always the same bunch of topics - makes me sad.

And every time I see one of your posts, it seems to me it's always the same too... Too bad. :(

[eviledge87]

And every time I see one of your posts, it seems to me it's always the same too... Too bad. :(

uber pwnage

[Axegrinder#9]

And every time I see one of your posts, it seems to me it's always the same too... Too bad. :(

well then you you should be taking some comprehension lessons :devil:

[johnny_tapia]

well then you you should be taking some comprehension lessons :devil:
Simmer down people. More PG chat is what we need in this thread. Also where is Freepower?

[DaFjory]

Wrong forum perhaps, but solve this mystery for me anyway:

Frank GamBAYle, GamBAHle, or GAMble?


Been wondering that for years. :p:

[sheumack111]

^ GamBAHlAEH

[DaFjory]

Oh you cannot be serious... http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1563/laughingnr4.gif

[Axegrinder#9]

GamBAHle

haha I had been hung up on that before too. but that's the real one

[frankieD2989]

you're all wrong. its Gambale