** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[Night_Lights]

new Young Guitar


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George Lynch vs Kiko Louriero



yup.

[BlueAltitudes]

new Young Guitar


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George Lynch vs Kiko Louriero



yup.

Sounds interesting...my money is on Kiko!

[TheShred201]

does anyone happen to have either issue with lessons from shane gibson, and if someone does would they be able to send me the tabs :-)

^And El Paso Rules!

[BlueAltitudes]

does anyone happen to have either issue with lessons from shane gibson, and if someone does would they be able to send me the tabs :-)

^And El Paso Rules!

Haha, thanks.

[Beckerism]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9PRzIyzFA

[TheShred201]

Wow. That's intense...I kinda wish I played flamenco a bit more now...

[BlueAltitudes]

:eek:

That was pretty cool! I'll have to show that to my high school teacher, he plays flamenco.

[Resiliance]

... But that's not flamenco, that's just Yngwie on a classical.

[BlueAltitudes]

True, but he is/was a classical player to, so I'm sure he'll enjoy nonetheless.

[Beckerism]

HYMNS FOR GUITAR AND FUTURE ADDICT

Hey Guys and Girls,

Ok, ok, I know I am a bunion licker. My "Jason Becker Collection" CD won't be out in May. D'oh! Dan my man, keeps getting great movie score gigs. We have finished two of three new songs, though, so I am betting on an August release. Hopefully, I am not full of crap this time (heh heh). Dan will probably hate me for giving another guess (sorry, Tweedle Dum).

One new song has Steve Vai and Marty Friedman. I can't stop listening to it. They killed it. It is so great working with Marty again, and Steve, for the first time.
The other version features Steve Hunter and Greg Howe, not to mention, me. They also kicked some furious ass. It ends with a beautiful choir.
The other new song has some brilliant playing by Joe Satriani and Michael Lee Firkins.
Are you tired of hearing the same stuff over and over yet? (ha ha)

Marty Friedman just sent me his new CD called "Future Addict." Oh ****, I love it. The songs, production, musicians, singers, playing and tone are just awesome! He did new versions of the Cacophony songs, "Where My Fortune Lies" and "Burn the Ground." I think they are cooler than the originals. I suggest looking for it.

Steve Hunter also just released an incredibly beautiful CD called "Hymns for Guitar." I listen to it over and over. It is so soothing. I want to buy many copies. Go to the links below to check it out and buy it:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/huntersteve
http://www.guitar9.com/hymnsforguitar.html

The Peavey thing didn't work out. I am now working with Paradise Guitars. They are really excited so it shouldn't take long.

No book or movie news now.

My brother, Ehren, just found an old report card of mine. I got all A's and all E's (excellent) except for one subject. I got an S (satisfactory) in music. Pretty funny.

Thank you all so much for your love and support.

J Dog
' :)

[BlueAltitudes]

^Did you barely read about this!?

[Stratwizard]

I love it how he refers to himself as "J Dog".

[ZylitoL]

Jason likes Future Addict?

LIES.

[Axegrinder#9]

i sometime's come to this forum for laughs now. I'm curious, don't you guys get bored talking about the same ****, same music, same bad hair, from here to eternity?

[BlueAltitudes]

Jason likes Future Addict?

LIES.

From what I've heard, I like it...just not that much though haha.

i sometime's come to this forum for laughs now. I'm curious, don't you guys get bored talking about the same ****, same music, same bad hair, from here to eternity?

I usually have a glimpse everyday or so, but nothing ever happens much anymore, so I don't come in as often.

It's partly my fault though, because I should make something happen if I want something to happen in here. :peace:

[Resiliance]

i sometime's come to this forum for laughs now. I'm curious, don't you guys get bored talking about the same ****, same music, same bad hair, from here to eternity?

Well, sure, but it seems all you've done for the last few years is come in here and type something along the lines you just have now, so vice versa. :)

[Beckerism]

^Did you barely read about this!?

Yep, hadn't gone to his or anyone's myspace in quite a while. :p:

[Axegrinder#9]

Well, sure, but it seems all you've done for the last few years is come in here and type something along the lines you just have now, so vice versa. :)

that's true but in my defense i do believe i'm a lot more active in the blues and jazz forum. guess i have become disconnected from "shredding" and gotten a lil' more into music.

[BlueAltitudes]

Yep, hadn't gone to his or anyone's myspace in quite a while. :p:

I'm surprised he hasn't had a new one up, it's been over a month since he posted that one I think.

that's true but in my defense i do believe i'm a lot more active in the blues and jazz forum. guess i have become disconnected from "shredding" and gotten a lil' more into music.


Erm, what?

I'd expect this to come from someone else rather than you...unless I interpreted it the wrong way.

[Lemoninfluence]

Erm, what?

I'd expect this to come from someone else rather than you...unless I interpreted it the wrong way.
no that's pretty much the normal crap I've come to expect from him.

[Axegrinder#9]

Erm, what?

I'd expect this to come from someone else rather than you...unless I interpreted it the wrong way.

nope you got it right, lemoninfluence seems to have the pulse on things better...

nah it's not even so much as against "shredding" to be honest. I mean all the people that I listen to now can play circles around pretty much every musician talked about here, with a few exceptions.

it's just that I come here, and I find people still stuck in the same loop of talking about scales, who can play faster than who, exercises to increase speed, who has more "emotion" in his "shredding" - I mean c'mon do you guys ever stop to think about what music means for any of you'll or what it means to be playing music?

My biggest beef with even great players who I still like, Satriani for instance, stems from the fact that even though he is an incredible musician who has made and still makes, some amazing music, also sometimes subscribes to the notion of putting his guitar before the music. Yngwie has made a career out of that - and it really makes me sad that he could be using his amazing grasp on music to make real innovative classical music instead of rehashing something which is done and over with.

I really don't have anything against "shredding" per se, but it was only after that I broke out of the "shredding mentality" that I was able to re-evaluate my musical goals and actually work towards making music instead of having the music as a calculated excuse to incorporate more technical playing. Unfortunately for "shredders" and people who're into "shredding" the majority of them seem to have embraced the exercise AS the music, despite repeated claims to the contrary - that's why even the most intelligent and creative, as well as technically able guitar players end up sounding the same - not that they're all copying each other, but neither are they doing anything radically different or keeping it fresh. Like I want Satriani to make a blues album, and Yngwie to maybe reinterpret Stravinsky... they'll still be the same musicians. But no, you have an incredible guitar player like Guthrie Govan putting out an album like Erotic Cakes, which to be honest, wasn't something he'd put in his resume.

that's as good an explanation I'll give, and I'm not sure this means anything to anyone. you guys want to check out a REAL guitar player's guitar player? Listen to this guy Wayne Krantz - particularly check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4TCD4MFF4&feature=related

if none of this makes sense, go back to playing against the metronome. jah bless.

[public property]

I think you're looking too deeply into what you consider music.
and erotic cakes is the type of album guthrie wanted to do, if you wanted jazzy stuff
go to one of the bands hes been in, I don't think he does much free form improvising though.

[BlueAltitudes]

nope you got it right, lemoninfluence seems to have the pulse on things better...

nah it's not even so much as against "shredding" to be honest. I mean all the people that I listen to now can play circles around pretty much every musician talked about here, with a few exceptions.

it's just that I come here, and I find people still stuck in the same loop of talking about scales, who can play faster than who, exercises to increase speed, who has more "emotion" in his "shredding" - I mean c'mon do you guys ever stop to think about what music means for any of you'll or what it means to be playing music?

My biggest beef with even great players who I still like, Satriani for instance, stems from the fact that even though he is an incredible musician who has made and still makes, some amazing music, also sometimes subscribes to the notion of putting his guitar before the music. Yngwie has made a career out of that - and it really makes me sad that he could be using his amazing grasp on music to make real innovative classical music instead of rehashing something which is done and over with.

I really don't have anything against "shredding" per se, but it was only after that I broke out of the "shredding mentality" that I was able to re-evaluate my musical goals and actually work towards making music instead of having the music as a calculated excuse to incorporate more technical playing. Unfortunately for "shredders" and people who're into "shredding" the majority of them seem to have embraced the exercise AS the music, despite repeated claims to the contrary - that's why even the most intelligent and creative, as well as technically able guitar players end up sounding the same - not that they're all copying each other, but neither are they doing anything radically different or keeping it fresh. Like I want Satriani to make a blues album, and Yngwie to maybe reinterpret Stravinsky... they'll still be the same musicians. But no, you have an incredible guitar player like Guthrie Govan putting out an album like Erotic Cakes, which to be honest, wasn't something he'd put in his resume.

that's as good an explanation I'll give, and I'm not sure this means anything to anyone. you guys want to check out a REAL guitar player's guitar player? Listen to this guy Wayne Krantz - particularly check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4TCD4MFF4&feature=related

if none of this makes sense, go back to playing against the metronome. jah bless.

How can you say that though? Everyone chooses to style their craft in their own way, so even if they can play circles around them doesn't mean anything.

I can understand that, but it happens to everybody. I've been out of that loop for approximately a year now (ever since I went into a downward spiral with my technique and practicing habits) and it kind of changed the way I played. I hate when people talk about emotion in music, it is complete bull****.

It's not so much "putting the guitar before the music" though, it is called having fun, and what is wrong with that? I understand what you mean though, especially with Yngwie.

Yeah, I agree with you there, but it's not just with shredding that this happens man. Although, sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes. I haven't heard Erotic Cakes, so I can't judge that, but Guthrie is amazing man. How do you know what he wanted to put out?

That is your opinion, but Wayne Kranzt is amazing judging from that video. He seems like he just lets his music flow, like it is an extension of him. That is how I'd like to be one day, free of mind.

[Resiliance]

nope you got it right, lemoninfluence seems to have the pulse on things better...

He truly does.

it's just that I come here, and I find people still stuck in the same loop of talking about scales

Right, because we don't do that at the Royal Conservatory :rolleyes:

who can play faster than who

Out of actual interest for who's faster? Not really. To keep the forums clean? Yep.

exercises to increase speed

Advanced techniques, sure. Here? Haven't seen one in a long time.

who has more "emotion" in his "shredding"

No SF regular I know has ever cared for or acknowledged this fallacious argument. And you know it.

I mean c'mon do you guys ever stop to think about what music means for any of you'll or what it means to be playing music?

Who the fuck are you to tell me what 1. music means to me 2. what it means to be playing music?

My biggest beef with even great players who I still like, Satriani for instance, stems from the fact that even though he is an incredible musician who has made and still makes, some amazing music, also sometimes subscribes to the notion of putting his guitar before the music.

I don't particularly like Satriani, but I don't go around talking crap about something like "putting his guitar before the music". He's the one playing his guitar. Stop acting like you're omniscient and judging alike.

Yngwie has made a career out of that - and it really makes me sad that he could be using his amazing grasp on music to make real innovative classical music instead of rehashing something which is done and over with.

Whatever. (And I'm not even a big Yngwie fan :o )

I really don't have anything against "shredding" per se, but it was only after that I broke out of the "shredding mentality" that I was able to re-evaluate my musical goals and actually work towards making music instead of having the music as a calculated excuse to incorporate more technical playing.

I've never even had this "shredding mentality" you speak of. Kindly stop talking about me - as one of the denizens of this particular subforum - like I have. Thanks.

Unfortunately for "shredders" and people who're into "shredding" the majority of them seem to have embraced the exercise AS the music, despite repeated claims to the contrary - that's why even the most intelligent and creative, as well as technically able guitar players end up sounding the same - not that they're all copying each other, but neither are they doing anything radically different or keeping it fresh.

Sounding the same? To you, maybe. Tough ****. Again, it comes down to music being a form of expression.

I'd hate to see the day you got to decide what gets recorded and what didn't. That'd surely be the end of that.

But no, you have an incredible guitar player like Guthrie Govan putting out an album like Erotic Cakes, which to be honest, wasn't something he'd put in his resume.


This statement is too ridiculously stupid for me to even dignify with a response.

that's as good an explanation I'll give, and I'm not sure this means anything to anyone. you guys want to check out a REAL guitar player's guitar player? Listen to this guy Wayne Krantz - particularly check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4T...feature=related

I was a fan of Wayne Krantz before I ever even heard about Steve Vai or Joe Satriani.

Any more pretentious holier-than-thou elitist bullshit you wanna lay on me?

if none of this makes sense, go back to playing against the metronome. jah bless.

As is ever increasingly the case, another one of your posts was filled with arrogant rubbish, with little or no actual content.

Yes, it gets tiring reading the same old posts over and over. But new people register, and like we were new when we registered, they talk about the stuff we talked about. What's the problem? Aside from your over-inflated ego and crooked view on music as a form of expression above all else, of course...

[IcePh0enix]

Ok, I am a complete newby to shred and have absolutely no shred albums. I'm trying to expand my music horizons a bit so if I were to get one shred album, what should it be? Basically I want something that obviously shreds, but doesn't just sound like noise or random notes. Something that has emotion and is a good starter off to this genre.

[BlueAltitudes]

Ok, I am a complete newby to shred and have absolutely no shred albums. I'm trying to expand my music horizons a bit so if I were to get one shred album, what should it be? Basically I want something that obviously shreds, but doesn't just sound like noise or random notes. Something that has emotion and is a good starter off to this genre.

Surfing with the Alien
Crystal Planet
Ah Via Musicom
Passion and Warfare
Rising Force
Perpetual Burn
Dragon Mistress
Fever Dream
Greg Howe (self titled I believe)
Michael Lee Firkins ( I don't remember the album, but check him out)
Paul Gilbert in general is amazing.

Ah, I know I'm forgetting some good ones.

Any one of those should be good starting points.

[ZylitoL]

Surfing with the Alien
Crystal Planet
Ah Via Musicom
Passion and Warfare
Rising Force
Perpetual Burn
Dragon Mistress
Fever Dream
Greg Howe (self titled I believe)
Michael Lee Firkins ( I don't remember the album, but check him out)
Paul Gilbert in general is amazing.

Ah, I know I'm forgetting some good ones.

Any one of those should be good starting points.
Aren't you talking about Dragon's Kiss by Marty Friedman? ;)
A good list though!

I started off with Satriani's and Vai's Greatest Hits, solely based on their reputation as good players. Those 2 albums would be perfect to start.

For something that just rips, get Dragon's Kiss and Perpetual Burn. If you like these 2 albums a lot, check out these 2 guitarists' collaboration effort Cacophony. ****ty singing and even ****tier production, but great guitar work.

Go to Youtube and type in the players' names and see what you get.

[Axegrinder#9]

Aside from your over-inflated ego and crooked view on music as a form of expression above all else, of course...

I gotta say you wasted a lot of time and energy into completely missing the point. but that's cool.

[BlueAltitudes]

Aren't you talking about Dragon's Kiss by Marty Friedman? ;)
A good list though!

I started off with Satriani's and Vai's Greatest Hits, solely based on their reputation as good players. Those 2 albums would be perfect to start.

For something that just rips, get Dragon's Kiss and Perpetual Burn. If you like these 2 albums a lot, check out these 2 guitarists' collaboration effort Cacophony. ****ty singing and even ****tier production, but great guitar work.

Go to Youtube and type in the players' names and see what you get.

Whoops haha.

I gotta say you wasted a lot of time and energy into completely missing the point. but that's cool.

Hey, what about me!?

Don't overlook me. :no:

[Axegrinder#9]

That is how I'd like to be one day, free of mind.

I'm glad you have that attitude. you didn't miss the point, even if you necessarily don't agree with what I said. The idea is to shed the layers of mediation which come between you and your music. But how can that be achieved when you have already chalked out that you're going to do that six-stringed sweep at some point, 'cos you're recording an instrumental rock album, and that is expected of you as a highly capable guitar player. y'know what I mean? if not, om shanti.

[BlueAltitudes]

I'm glad you have that attitude. you didn't miss the point, even if you necessarily don't agree with what I said. The idea is to shed the layers of mediation which come between you and your music. But how can that be achieved when you have already chalked out that you're going to do that six-stringed sweep at some point, 'cos you're recording an instrumental rock album, and that is expected of you as a highly capable guitar player. y'know what I mean? if not, om shanti.

That is why I really admire guys like the one you posted, Paul Gilbert, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman, Randy Rhoads, Stochelo Rosenberg, etc, they are/were free of mind or at least very close to it.

The only thing that I disagree with, is that, even though that six-stringed sweep is going to be in the song, if you don't do, or rather learn how to use it effectively in a song, then how will you ever use that sweep in any other song? If you don't learn how to apply your technique, then what is the use? People need to make mistakes to learn.

I understand you completely ;) .

Also, watch "The Last Samurai", when Nobutada (I think) tells Nathan Algren that he has "Too many mind." You have to be free of mind.

[Resiliance]

I gotta say you wasted a lot of time and energy into completely missing the point. but that's cool.

And it was you talking about a cop-out in the other thread.

How ironic.

[public property]

Listen to this guy Wayne Krantz - particularly check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4TCD4MFF4&feature=related



Well oh goodness hes playing music that sounds like it was influenced by the fact he plays guitar. Run to the hills cause hes obviously too detached from 'the music' to play any 'music'.

You could take your point to an extreme of any musician except pure composers who don't play any instruments.

[Axegrinder#9]

Run to the hills cause hes obviously too detached from 'the music' to play any 'music'.

nope.

[Stratwizard]

it's just that I come here, and I find people still stuck in the same loop of talking about scales, who can play faster than who, exercises to increase speed, who has more "emotion" in his "shredding"


Well, this IS the Shred Forum last time I checked. What the **** do you expect people to talk about here then? Why don't you go complain to the metal forum that they don't ever talk about anything else than metal or to the Pit that they don't ever mature? Nothing forces you to come here, y'know?

blah blah blah... if none of this makes sense, go back to playing against the metronome. jah bless.

Either you don't realise how ****ing imbecilic you are or then you're just trolling.

(Sorry I didn't have the patience to dissect your post like Resi did)

[Axegrinder#9]

I think what the shred forum collectively proves to me everytime, especially people like you, is that ignorance indeed is bliss for you'll. and you know what, that's great, I was actually making sincere efforts to elevate the general level of thinking about music here - but obviously that's not what you'll are into, so yeppp... peace.

[Stratwizard]

I think what the shred forum collectively proves to me everytime, especially people like you, is that ignorance indeed is bliss for you'll. and you know what, that's great, I was actually making sincere efforts to elevate the general level of thinking about music here - but obviously that's not what you'll are into, so yeppp... peace.

Why do you think so highly of yourself, that YOU could elevate the level of thinking? You should also provide us with feasible arguments not just that pseudo-philosophical crap.

[public property]

You basically sound like a classic rock freak who comes in here saying 'theres no emotion in your music!' but you rephrase it to try and sound smart. If you're too stupid to realise that your noise isn't any better than someone elses noise then go back to hiding up your own arse.

[Freepower]

That is why I really admire guys like the one you posted...Marty Friedman...

"The more you think, the better you play?".

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Anyway, more to the point, Axey, there's no point going on so much about how you're elevated above mere shredding - the only reason it's an event to you is because you were such a shred monkey yourself. The rest of us have always been varied muso muthas. Resi, Strat, Public Prop - all the guys tearing into you never had the attitude you accuse us of and besides -





none of us are being massive spastics. :)

[Axegrinder#9]

"The more you think, the better you play?".

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Anyway, more to the point, Axey, there's no point going on so much about how you're elevated above mere shredding - the only reason it's an event to you is because you were such a shred monkey yourself. The rest of us have always been varied muso muthas. Resi, Strat, Public Prop - all the guys tearing into you never had the attitude you accuse us of and besides -


hah guess you weren't the guy who compiled the list of fastest guitar players, and had his MSN nick to the effect that your goal was to be the master of sweep picking by 2007.

[Lemoninfluence]

hah guess you weren't the guy who compiled the list of fastest guitar players, and had his MSN nick to the effect that your goal was to be the master of sweep picking by 2007.
the fastest guitarist thread is an academic exercise as well as an attempt to prevent a ton of threads asking the same thing.

read the first few responses in the thread and you'll (or at least should) see that.

and it's bad to set goals to improve technique?

[Axegrinder#9]

and it's bad to set goals to improve technique?

not at all, but following the generic trajectory seems, that technique is all there is to it.

[BlueAltitudes]

"The more you think, the better you play?".

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Yes! I should have included that in the post.

So, I take it you agree with me?

[Lemoninfluence]

not at all, but following the generic trajectory seems, that technique is all there is to it.
big assumption there.

and that's all you've been doing. making assumptions.

if you don't like it here, don't come here. it's as simple as that.

[Godly Moose]

It seems that I have walked into some shred forum drama.

[Freepower]

Yes! I should have included that in the post.

So, I take it you agree with me?

No, i meant that freidman constantly thinks and analyses as he plays, so unless i'm mistaken about freedom of mind you're mistaken about freidman. (cool sentence)

hah guess you weren't the guy who compiled the list of fastest guitar players, and had his MSN nick to the effect that your goal was to be the master of sweep picking by 2007.

Sure, but i'm also one of the most prolific original composers, the "helpful guy" and i compose (as far as i'm aware) some of the most diverse music on UG - let alone the fact that I do very little "shredding" on my compositions. Besides, I like really fast guitar playing, but it's actually as a sidenote to my true love - really fast music of any kind. Speedcore, Gabba, Noisecore and Death Metal all come before shred on my list of intense music loves. :)

[public property]

I was meaning to ask what you compose on FP, because the patches are pretty sick.

[Freepower]

Recently, the demo version of Fruity Loops. Unfortunately, if i dial up some really sick patches then I loose them if i exit. Damn, I need to pay for the thing. Also, if they sound good, it's because i have favorites from the last 2 years I've been using it. That and I browse soundfonts and download them something like a whale browses and downloads krill. Speaking of my bitching patches, do you mind if i use them to cover some of your old compositions?

[BlueAltitudes]

No, i meant that freidman constantly thinks and analyses as he plays, so unless i'm mistaken about freedom of mind you're mistaken about freidman. (cool sentence)

...?

Whatever.

[Freepower]

^ "whatever" as in "that doesn't make sense" or "whatever" as in "i don't care"?

[Orbit91]

omg y u guys always talking about shred it got no emotion!!!1

[sixteen times]

Hi guys, I haven't been around these parts in a while. I doubt I'm remembered.

Seeing as this is a "random" thread, I just thought I'd drop by and say "hi".

:p:

[BlueAltitudes]

^ "whatever" as in "that doesn't make sense" or "whatever" as in "i don't care"?

Both, it was like 5 in the morning when I posted that.

[public property]

Recently, the demo version of Fruity Loops. Unfortunately, if i dial up some really sick patches then I loose them if i exit. Damn, I need to pay for the thing. Also, if they sound good, it's because i have favorites from the last 2 years I've been using it. That and I browse soundfonts and download them something like a whale browses and downloads krill. Speaking of my bitching patches, do you mind if i use them to cover some of your old compositions?

Sure just give composer credit so I can sue you if you make money :p:
Its a bitch to move them from pt to a proper patch program so you're welcome to.

[Freepower]

Hi guys, I haven't been around these parts in a while. I doubt I'm remembered.

Seeing as this is a "random" thread, I just thought I'd drop by and say "hi".

:p:

Bitch please, of course we remember you. :rolleyes:

omg y u guys always talking about shred it got no emotion!!!1
Speaking of which, whereboots in Ireland you from mate?

[Orbit91]

Heh, I forget to change it, I used to live in Dublin, around the docks area.
But then I had to move with my Family to Anglesey in Wales, you know the place where you can catch the Ferry to Ireland?

That's the one.

[Freepower]

I used to be in Co.Antrim but now Dublin. Just missed you. I've been to Wales a few times, around Hay-on-Wy(e?). Great place. :)

[Resiliance]

Hi guys, I haven't been around these parts in a while. I doubt I'm remembered.

Seeing as this is a "random" thread, I just thought I'd drop by and say "hi".

:p:

This is the second post like this you've made.

I even remembered that :p:

[sixteen times]

Hi Resi! Haha, I seem to come go quite a lot don't I? Haven't been very active as of late on UG, but the recent purchase of a Laney VC15 has rekindled my guitar interest.

Oh and hi Freepower too- I watched one of your videos on youtube and wow! You've gotten so much better since I last heard you.

[Orbit91]

I used to be in Co.Antrim but now Dublin. Just missed you. I've been to Wales a few times, around Hay-on-Wy(e?). Great place. :)

Yeah, well it's good I live near Holyhead so I can visit Ireland anytime I want.
It's boring as hell living in a small Welsh village with a population of about 500.

[Freepower]

Oh and hi Freepower too- I watched one of your videos on youtube and wow! You've gotten so much better since I last heard you.

Yeah, leik seriusly bttr liek. :p:

I've basically been practicing a decent amount for the last year. Thanks for noticing! :o

[Freepower]

Sorry about the double post, massive update on my practice thing -

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Freepower/blog/

[public property]

Its intresting to see someone who has the time and dedication to map their workout so thoroughly. I would do something similar if I wasn't married :p:

Where abouts can I find the tab for the onps variations?

[Freepower]

Should be down at the bottom. Link to speedyshare which has the stuff. Try to get the "SS ONPS spider" up to 100bpm. :p:

And I'm practically married. Co-habiting and we've been together 4 and a half years. Atm she's coping really well with the slight re-ordering of priorities. I probably couldn't do this without her, because i need some human contact and someone to cook for me about half the time so i don't just practice without eating. I remember one time doing 8 hours and forgetting to eat at all.

And i've never been this dedicated before, i'm really trying to build some good habits and just really make a go at it. I'm still only doing around 2 and a bit hours a day average, all the greats have done at least 7 hours for a few months. I'm looking forward to getting some proper teaching done in september, because i only need 5 or 6 hours work to quit the day job and get serious career and practice wise.

Hows your picking atm? It was shaping up well a year or two ago, is it solid yet?

[public property]

Meh, I don't have very natural guitar technique and I don't have the time to work out the kinks in it.
Right now I'm learning various tunes and some of it requires some technique, like Angel island zone from sonic 3.
btw is any of metropolis zone on your profile recorded guitars or all patches?

[Godly Moose]

Meh, I don't have very natural guitar technique and I don't have the time to work out the kinks in it.
Right now I'm learning various tunes and some of it requires some technique, like Angel island zone from sonic 3.
btw is any of metropolis zone on your profile recorded guitars or all patches?

Learn Pumpkin Hill fool!

[Freepower]

Just added a new composition to the list - click the laughing face.

It's a yngwie parody, GP format, so you can steal all the licks for free. :)

[public property]

What your hotmail address Free power? I need someone to talk to who likes composing as much as I do!

[Freepower]

It's just freepower (at) gmail.com.

Without the spaces, i'm trying to avoid spambots picking up my email. :) Btw, i'm never on MSN, if that's why you're asking.

[thefoldarsoldar]

RESI!

I just thought of something. Your sig says "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt."

Do you dislike marching bands?

[insideac]

I think it means those that play music for the sake of gaining fame and to boast about it, maybe lol

[fastcar]

RESI!

I just thought of something. Your sig says "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt."

Do you dislike marching bands?
That quote has nothing to do with music or marching bands really. It's a quote on war by Einstein. Part of a much bigger quote-

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-- Albert Einstein

Dig it?

[Resiliance]

^Mhm.

[TheShred201]

I would have laughed a lot if it had been an anti-marching band signature.

[Boghead]

So I've just started reading effortless mastery by kenny werner and theres this section

where he says that not caring about what you play will make you play better. Does

anyone disagree with this? i would like to think that I care about what I play.

Anyone else read the book?

[Freepower]

^ well, haven't read it yet, but i would find that i sometimes play better not caring. Not necessarily practice better though.

[Stratwizard]

So I've just started reading effortless mastery by kenny werner and theres this section

where he says that not caring about what you play will make you play better. Does

anyone disagree with this? i would like to think that I care about what I play.

Anyone else read the book?

Does he also explain why he thinks so?

[Boghead]

Well from what I have read so far,

in a nutshell, nervousness before a performance is due to fear, fear of ****ing up and

being perceived by the audience as a loser. He states piano players with stiff necks

and shoulders (tension) afraid of playing poorly. And the way around this supposedly

is not caring, being empty and connecting to that inner space/universal mind/god

where real music comes out of.

The book has a 'new-agey' taste about it, he makes music a spiritual and almost

esoteric thing. Not to mention the meditations :p: .

But that said its a very informative book, I recommend it to everyone hoping to be a

full time musician. :)

[sixteen times]

Alright guys, I was wondering if anyone had any tips/exercises specifically based on improving ones pull-offs. My hammering on is fine, however my pull-offs are not as fluent or clean.

Any help would be great

Thanks

[Stratwizard]

Do pull-offs? :p:

[sixteen times]

:p: I should of come to expect that reply!

Any specific excercises?

[public property]

Well whatever you feel is difficult, its amusing that people come and say 'i'm having a problem with *insert technique here' they are already telling us what they need to do :p: just do it slowly till it sounds right then don't go beyond the speed it sounds right at a higher speed, with pull-offs I suggest moving your finger minutely when you pull off, since you are really just plucking the string again.

[Freepower]

:p: I should of come to expect that reply!

Any specific excercises?

Really difficult ones! :p:

Unless you have a specific problem with the pull offs, there's not much we can do that's better than what you can do with some practice.

[sixteen times]

Yeah I guess so. The post I made over in the Musicians Forum ended up being really informative and helpful so I've got a few nice new excercises to work on now.

[Freepower]

^ yeah, i totally forgot edg's rather good with the whole pull off thing, he knows the technique better than i do and i forgot to point that out. :(

[Freepower]

Yet another new tune, its the daisy in my profile. Got some killer bass playing on by my friend Dave, who's the second best bassist i've met, and i've met stu hamm.

[BlueAltitudes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax02a5q-hNE

Shawn Lane vid for you Lane freaks and by far the best vid I have seen of him playing. This vid shot my respect up for him a lot. I'm slowly becoming partial to Lane...

[Freepower]

^ that whole dvd is divine, my joint favorite music dvd.

[Cryptorchild]

Random Shred I come bearing E-cookies and various gifts to who ever answers my questions:

Where should i post to get recommended good shred albums and shred artists?

[Freepower]

^ well, seeing as you gave me cookies, i'd recommend some Guthrie Govan, Vai (Passion and Warfare album) and/or some Shawn Lane. And Yngwie Malmsteen... just hang around here and google every name you hear.

[hollyroller]

anyone know of a shred song that is of an moderate difficulty but still sounds great??

[Stratwizard]

Satch Boogie!

[Cryptorchild]

^ well, seeing as you gave me cookies, i'd recommend some Guthrie Govan, Vai (Passion and Warfare album) and/or some Shawn Lane. And Yngwie Malmsteen... just hang around here and google every name you hear.

I downloaded alot on Yngwie, infact, i think i am inlove.

[eviledge87]

anyone know of a shred song that is of an moderate difficulty but still sounds great??

Technical Difficulties

On another note:
Has anyone hear seen John Mayer play live? The movie theater i work at showed one of his concerts a few nights ago and it was really good. I knew he went to Berklee, but I'd never listened to his music before. I was blown away. Thoughts? Any John Mayer fans here?

[TheShred201]

Just got back from national guitar workshop. I won the Seattle Shred Off, so I now have a fun new Parker P-44. Pics soon.

[wil]

Technical Difficulties

On another note:
Has anyone hear seen John Mayer play live? The movie theater i work at showed one of his concerts a few nights ago and it was really good. I knew he went to Berklee, but I'd never listened to his music before. I was blown away. Thoughts? Any John Mayer fans here?

-Saw him on the Crossroads DVD (Clapton, not Machio) and found it massively underwhelming.
-Barely stayed awake when listening to his much feted ' Room for Square' album.
-Sick to the back teeth of hearing his awful solo (which asslicking Total Guitar called 'shredtastic') on Fall Out Boy's totally pointless cover of Beat It.

Really dont see what all the fuss is about.

[TheHeartbreaker]

So I believe I've come to the right place this...

I've been wanting to learn to shred to improve technically and because I enjoy listen to shred music on occasion.

For the past couple of weeks I've been working on building my speed and strength using a metronome and basic chromatic runs such as 1-2-3-4, 1-2-4-3, 1-3-2-4, 1-3-4-2, et cetera on all of the strings and up and down the fretboard. My speed and strength has improved, yes, but I'm definitely not where I want to be to learn how to shred (my speed at the moment is sixteenth notes at one hundred and thirty two beats per minute). I can play at this speed comfortably with my chromatic runs, but I need to work on building this speed through non-chromatic runs that vary with the strings as well (as opposed to 1-2-3-4 on the low E and then 1-2-3-4 on the A and so on).

So, my basic questions related to speed and strength building are:

1) Are there any good exercises apart from the one I mentioned above?
2) What is the best way to build speed with a metronome? What I do is start at a fast-for-me-but-comfortable speed and do five sets of my chromatic runs, then I up the speed and continue in this process until I hit my top speed. After I have maxed out I go up one more setting on my metronome (which on mine is about six beats per minute with each interval) and try that. Then I basically go back down, which makes the faster-for-me-but-somewhat-uncomfortable-speeds seem easier. Is this a good idea?
3) Are there anyways I can help strengthen my fingers in relation to guitar playing away from the guitar?

Also, a couple more general questions:

1) Are there any "easy" songs to start shredding with?
2) If not, what are good songs to learn that build towards shredding (as in faster music, but not shred, per say)?

Thanks.

[AngusX]

This may be off the wall, but what if Vinnie Vincent and Kat had a child?

[Freepower]

So I believe I've come to the right place this...

I've been wanting to learn to shred to improve technically and because I enjoy listen to shred music on occasion.

For the past couple of weeks I've been working on building my speed and strength using a metronome and basic chromatic runs such as 1-2-3-4, 1-2-4-3, 1-3-2-4, 1-3-4-2, et cetera on all of the strings and up and down the fretboard. My speed and strength has improved, yes, but I'm definitely not where I want to be to learn how to shred (my speed at the moment is sixteenth notes at one hundred and thirty two beats per minute). I can play at this speed comfortably with my chromatic runs, but I need to work on building this speed through non-chromatic runs that vary with the strings as well (as opposed to 1-2-3-4 on the low E and then 1-2-3-4 on the A and so on).

So, my basic questions related to speed and strength building are:

1) Are there any good exercises apart from the one I mentioned above?
2) What is the best way to build speed with a metronome? What I do is start at a fast-for-me-but-comfortable speed and do five sets of my chromatic runs, then I up the speed and continue in this process until I hit my top speed. After I have maxed out I go up one more setting on my metronome (which on mine is about six beats per minute with each interval) and try that. Then I basically go back down, which makes the faster-for-me-but-somewhat-uncomfortable-speeds seem easier. Is this a good idea?
3) Are there anyways I can help strengthen my fingers in relation to guitar playing away from the guitar?

Also, a couple more general questions:

1) Are there any "easy" songs to start shredding with?
2) If not, what are good songs to learn that build towards shredding (as in faster music, but not shred, per say)?

Thanks.

Check out the advanced technique forum, and all the lessons in my sig. :)

[BlueAltitudes]

^ well, seeing as you gave me cookies, i'd recommend some Guthrie Govan, Vai (Passion and Warfare album) and/or some Shawn Lane. And Yngwie Malmsteen... just hang around here and google every name you hear.

:haha

Pretty much, that is how I did it for the most part.

[Stratwizard]

1) Are there any good exercises apart from the one I mentioned above?

Personally, I find those chromatic exercises and most of the other technique exercises somewhat useless and waste of time. Practicing random licks without a decent musical context is extremely frustrating and time consuming way to learn how to shred. Instead, I suggest taking whatever song you like and start practicing it at very slow tempo. Then, you don't only develop your technique but you build your repertoire, have a musical context for the fast licks not just mindless groups of sixteenth notes and have actually something to play.


2) What is the best way to build speed with a metronome?

One thing that works for me is playing at very slow speed for a few days or a week; I don't even try to hit the speed threshold. After I've memorized the licks and can play them comfortably, the speed starts just naturally to increase. Saves a lot of energy and it's a less stressful way to practice IMO.

[TheHeartbreaker]

Thanks everyone. :)

[roosoh13]

Thanks everyone. :)

No thank you!

[Boghead]

Not to brag or anything,

BUt where I live theres been a week long guitarfest and last night I met....Alex ****in skolnick!!

After a clinic I went to see him

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn im still buzzed, totally cool guy. Had a good sense of humour. I was nervous :( didnt really know what to say...

alex-''hey''
bog-"hey!!!!!!ummm uhhh ive been listening to your records since i was 8''
alex-''oh thats cool man I see you got a dime guitar, awesum''
bog-'' So what made you switch over to jazz?''
alex-''Man the solos! Its solos everytime in jazz!''

he then signed my guitar, shook my hand

and that was that :D :D :D

[gtrmaniam]

Personally, I find those chromatic exercises and most of the other technique exercises somewhat useless and waste of time. Practicing random licks without a decent musical context is extremely frustrating and time consuming way to learn how to shred. Instead, I suggest taking whatever song you like and start practicing it at very slow tempo. Then, you don't only develop your technique but you build your repertoire, have a musical context for the fast licks not just mindless groups of sixteenth notes and have actually something to play.




One thing that works for me is playing at very slow speed for a few days or a week; I don't even try to hit the speed threshold. After I've memorized the licks and can play them comfortably, the speed starts just naturally to increase. Saves a lot of energy and it's a less stressful way to practice IMO.
I agree
Scales without a purpose is not music ... listen to any kid at GC (or any other store that caters to low and lo-mid priced gear...
Try to be musical in your practice...
ALWAYS USE A METRONOME ... otherwise you sound like a bedroom jammer with cheap Line6 amp...
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/6/5/9/5/659569/pics/_c365348_image_0.jpg

[C.C. Deville]

^whats the point in posting that picture lol

[gtrmaniam]

I dunno....uh....what's with the breasts?
"if you spent more time with your hands on them strings instead of that girls' ass, you might get somewhere" - joe seneca - crossroads :p:
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/6/5/9/5/659569/pics/_c366133_image_0.jpg

[carcass255]

what do people think of rob marcello
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1g-gBiRZ8

this is godly

[Stratwizard]

At least he's playing a Suhr...

[Freepower]

^ I remember seeing Pete Callard at IGF - he had a gorgeous Suhr on a stand the whole preformance, and when I asked about it he said -

"Lovely guitar, I have three more back home.".

Can I also add, the most phenomenally modest and excellent player I've met, bar a few i've forgotten. :p:

[bucky_2300]

what do people think of rob marcello
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1g-gBiRZ8

this is godly

I never got the reason for the extra harmony tracks in these videos. It fills out the sound and wows the crowd, but what's the point? The melody is interesting enough to carry itself, and it just seems like the harmony is there to function as another "HOLY **** LOOK AT ME PLAY GUITAR!!!1" thing.

[Stratwizard]

he had a gorgeous Suhr on a stand the whole preformance


If everything goes as planned I should have mine sometime around October. ;)

[Freepower]

Better promise me some sweet sweet viddy goodness for then. :D

[Stratwizard]

Sure thing!

I think I busted the output tubes on my GH50L :(

[Resiliance]

:(

[Stratwizard]

:eek: When did you get promoted to super mod?

[Resiliance]

Two, or was it three days ago... I believe.

[DaFjory]

So exactly what part of (Lane's) Kaiser Nancarrow was it that Buckethead tried to imitate, and hence came up with some 2-handed tapping thing instead? I can't seem to find it, no matter how hard I listen.

[HammerForce]

^ I don't know..... Stratwizard... Does the bit under your name mean what I think it does? My German is a little rusty.....

[TheUltimateSin]

I think I busted the output tubes on my GH50L :(



.....

:(

:sad:

[arniecastor]

this is so spinal tap

[TheBabySnatcher]

Does anyone know any good beginner shred songs to learn? I'm currently giving Joe Satriani's, "Always with me, always with you" a go.

[Lemoninfluence]

So exactly what part of (Lane's) Kaiser Nancarrow was it that Buckethead tried to imitate, and hence came up with some 2-handed tapping thing instead? I can't seem to find it, no matter how hard I listen.
really?

0:38-1:05
1:14-1:30
2:43-3:00
4:33-4:43

[DaFjory]

That's it? It doesn't even sound like guitar. When I read that particular part of the Hallebeek interview, I kept sifting through the song trying to listen out for some sickening tapping or something. http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2718/confused11dd0.gif

(Yeah, I know he spliced together thousands of individual notes but still... I was expecting to be blown away.)

[public property]

Well it wasn't designed to be played by any particular technique, obviously, its just single notes so its going to sound like a keyboard, considering the dynamic consistency you can get using that technique.

[Orbit91]

what do people think of rob marcello
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1g-gBiRZ8

this is godly
He's certainly a Swedish Shred Machine, his fretting is a bit odd though, palm's a bit close to the neck o.o

[Stratwizard]

^ I don't know..... Stratwizard... Does the bit under your name mean what I think it does? My German is a little rusty.....

Hehe... well, it isn't too hard to figure out. ;)

Die Fotze + der Jäger = ... :p:

[beadhangingOne]

hunter of fotze... damn it what is fotze!!!

[Lemoninfluence]

hunter of fotze... damn it what is fotze!!!
you could cheat and use google.

that's what I did.

[beadhangingOne]

*looks it up*

:eek:

Stratwizard you naughty, naughty boy.

[Stratwizard]

:haha

[Beckerism]

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=tRSCwbmmq7k

From Racer X forum.

[SnowballofDoom]

Hah! I can swim, ride a bike, and drive.

Suck on that, Guthrie.

[Stratwizard]

New song: http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15757577

[DaFjory]

Centrifugal Funk on its way to me soon – went and bought it blind after hearing Truth In Shredding for the first time just now. One thing that puzzles me slightly, though, is whether Holdsworth and Gambale actually played in the same room together. Somehow I can't really imagine those two completely different fusion personalities being able to share ideas or solo off each other. Sure, it all sounds great and I seriously want my own CD of it soon, but I get the same sort of feel as Greg Howe's Extraction (i.e. nobody in the same room together).

Any articles on how that album came about, or the making of it?

[ZylitoL]

Not a clue, but I do know TIS is better than CF.

And that Guthrie acoustic solo is absolutely nuts!!!

EDIT: DaFjory, did you get any new Marty albums? (I know you have DK, Scenes and Introduction)

[DaFjory]

Nah. I own DK, Scenes and Intro but won't be buying the rest because I didn't really like them enough. His idea of 'metal' (Obsessions onwards) doesn't sit with me, for some reason. :(

[SnowballofDoom]

Found this in the ol' photobucket:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/FP.gif

Resi's cheese fire and FP's... face. Ahh...

*internet nostalgia*

*real life shame*

[ZylitoL]

Nah. I own DK, Scenes and Intro but won't be buying the rest because I didn't really like them enough. His idea of 'metal' (Obsessions onwards) doesn't sit with me, for some reason. :(
But it's not metal at all though.

Obsessions is a pretty typical Satch n' Vai kinda thing (with more vocal songs though), and still has Marty's eastern influences throughout the album. Have you listened to Rio?
MFS is pretty mediocre so it's ok.
Loudspeaker is just good old instrumental rock with Jpop influences (Sekaini etc) and other diverse stuff like punk.
Future Addict, as you know, is ****.

Whatever makes you happy, though.

[eviledge87]

The rerecording of Tornado of Souls solo is good though. He's obviously kept his chops up, or at least that's what I thought the one time I listened to it.

Any Alex Skolnick fans here? I don't think he has any instrumental/shred stuff. But his solos on the old Testament cds as well as the new one are pretty top notch.

Edit
ZylitoL do you have any of Chris Polands cds? Does he have more than one? I would very much like to here it/them.

[ZylitoL]

I'm pretty sure he has more than one but I have none of them. I've heard his RtM is very much like his playing on Peace Sells, so I'm looking hard for it.

The rerecording is pretty trash though. The solo kicks ass as we all know it, but frankly the whole song sucks so much ass it's hard to bear.
His chops have slightly gone down, I think. Marty was never the CLEANEST player like Gilbert or Petrucci, but @ Japan he doesn't need to shred 15 notes per second. The reason the ToS solo on Future Addict is good is 1. studio take and 2. since he plays ToS, Hangar 18 etc on guitar clinics when he does his Megadeth medley, he clearly still knows and practices those.

Skolnick has his jazz trio and it's not bad really. 2 out of the 3 albums are covers of famous rock/metal songs, and the other one is original material I believe. I'm not the biggest fan of Alex, but he is very very good and definitely the top dog of thrash leads.

[Resiliance]

Found this in the ol' photobucket:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/FP.gif

Resi's cheese fire and FP's... face. Ahh...

*internet nostalgia*

*real life shame*

:D

[Stratwizard]

[One thing that puzzles me slightly, though, is whether Holdsworth and Gambale actually played in the same room together

According to the cover booklet, Frank's parts were tracked in Silverlake, LA and Allan's in his home studio the Brewery in Tustin, CA.

[Freepower]

:D

Whether it's amazingly awesome and I just saved it or not, it still looks like cheese. :p:

Btw, got new house and hopefully new job lined up for next year, may well end up on telly and stuff. :D

New song: http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15757577

Unfortunately, the sound at the local net cafe is bollacked so I have no sound at all at all. :(

[DaFjory]

Centrifugal Funkkkkkkk http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4104/thumbsup2jr5.gif

[Freepower]

Oh... btw I am liek modding this forum guise so no more posting pr0n in this thread or else I'll have to copy and paste it all to the mods secret forum. Thanks.

[TheShred201]

:haha

On a more serious note, I just got Perpetual Burn by JB and Speed Metal Symphony by Cacophony....uploading them from CD to itunes now.

[Stratwizard]

Uploaded some more house... Check it out, it's on my profile called Full House.

[thefoldarsoldar]

The rerecording of Tornado of Souls solo is good though. He's obviously kept his chops up, or at least that's what I thought the one time I listened to it.

Any Alex Skolnick fans here? I don't think he has any instrumental/shred stuff. But his solos on the old Testament cds as well as the new one are pretty top notch.

Edit
ZylitoL do you have any of Chris Polands cds? Does he have more than one? I would very much like to here it/them.


I like all the jazzy stuff he did on Goodbye To Romance - Standards for a New Generation.

[eviledge87]

I haven't heard any of skolnick's jazz stuff, i would very much like to i just haven't gotten around to it, im horribly lazy.

[Freepower]

^ I have some cool fusion cds I actually haven't listened to in over a year (and one quick run through that time), despite having them signed by the artist n' all. :(

Uploaded some more house... Check it out, it's on my profile called Full House.

Sometime vaguely soon. :)

[Wasp]

Any Alex Skolnick fans here? I don't think he has any instrumental/shred stuff. But his solos on the old Testament cds as well as the new one are pretty top notch.


Big Skolnick fan myself; Testament is one of my fav metal bands, and his jazzy stuff (the Trio) is very nice. Attention Deficit is fun to listen to once in a while, as well.

[je2_guitarz]

i'm fans of dylan ruskin from brain drill,.anyone like him too?

[eviledge87]

Big Skolnick fan myself; Testament is one of my fav metal bands, and his jazzy stuff (the Trio) is very nice. Attention Deficit is fun to listen to once in a while, as well.

His solo on Disciples of the Watch is one of my favorites. I think he's one of the few bay-area thrash guitarists to sweep pick too.

[Freepower]

http://i35.tinypic.com/347zgae.jpg

:haha :haha :haha

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16278286#post16278286

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16277906#post16277906

:p:

Epic lulz fer those in teh kno. :D

[public property]

Legendary.

[TheUltimateSin]

Lol ^

I almost thought he had returned...

[SnowballofDoom]

Peace guys.

[Godly Moose]

Found this in the ol' photobucket:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Gilbert_Pwns/FP.gif

Resi's cheese fire and FP's... face. Ahh...

*internet nostalgia*

*real life shame*

Dear lord, it has been a while since I have seen that picture.

[David_Bowie=GOD]

satch is coming to richmond soon, tickets are about 25 bucks, Ive only heard his surfing with the alien album though, I like it though.

so my question is, should I go?

[ZylitoL]

^Yes.

He will play the title track, Satch Boogie and Always.

Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get Crushing Day, Ice 9, or some of the less played songs from that album as well.

[Freepower]

Yeah, go if you can. :) Because Satch just completely kicks arse all over the shop. :)

[BlueAltitudes]

I'm going to see Satch November 7th (or close to that date) here in El Paso, I can't wait. You shouldn't even be asking if you should go man, just go!!

[DaFjory]

It'll be worth your cash. Best show you'll ever see, man (apart from Vai!)



Post no.666 :devil:

[David_Bowie=GOD]

^Yes.

He will play the title track, Satch Boogie and Always.

Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get Crushing Day, Ice 9, or some of the less played songs from that album as well.

recommend me some of his other stuff so i dont feel like a jackass if i go, like i said ive heard surfing with the alien album.

[David_Bowie=GOD]

oh, i forgot, it said he was playing with mountain, hopefully hes not gonna be playing as guitarist for the band, Im not a fan of mountain.

[hamacker]

Listen to as much as you can. You won't go wrong.

[ZylitoL]

recommend me some of his other stuff so i dont feel like a jackass if i go, like i said ive heard surfing with the alien album.
Well obviously get Satchafunkilus; he's touring in support of that album, and 3-5 cuts from the album will be played. It's a solid album as well and the last two tracks are absolute killer songs!

Get Electric Joe Satriani; that was my intro to Satch and I think it's a very good Best Of.

[TeamSttg]

Also give Super Colossal a shot from what I remember he played 2 songs from it at the gig I went to I believe
It was the first album of his I actually bought the others I stole off my brother

[DaFjory]

Has anyone noticed the amount of tribute videos that people have done (some actually being really good!) based on this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5gmbugmxM&feature=related


I SO have to try that myself. :p:

[Freepower]

^ go fer it. :p:

Check this out - Francesco fareri is improving!
(he's faster too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhpS92w6R-c&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c83fLRysa9s&feature=related

I'm really glad to see this. :)

[TheShred201]

Yeah, he's ben getting a lot better, and that stuff is a year old. I don't know if I can say that he's getting faster but from some other vids that I've seen from mid-2007 and on I'd say he's getting cleaner, which is cool.

[wil]

Either he's some kind of polyrythmic genius, or that slow ''intro'' was waaaaayyyyy off with timing etc...His vibrato sucks as well.

Saw Holdsworth last week in a converted church with less than a hundred people in the audience and it was seriously life affirming stuff. Really humble guy as well, kept giving credit to Ernest Tibbs(bass) and Chad Walkerman (drums). My jaw was just on the floor the whole time. Especially during Fred.

[Resiliance]

Wackerman! Wackerman!!

:p:

[wil]

Whoops...Let me off, Ive been working all day.

Holdsworth barely said a word, except he did say a few times he was really happy we were there to see him and he enjoyed playing for us---I felt a bit bad at this point because the place was less than half full. He drank loads of water during the set and at one point he said it was ''good vodka''. Typical dry northern humour...

Awesome night.

[Freepower]

Damn, that sounds amazing. Even more so that Holdsy enjoyed playing somewhere. :) I can't believe he has to die. :(

[DaFjory]

Why is it that I always get Nuno Bettencourt and Steve Lukather mixed up? I always forget which one plays for Extreme and has a mucho-complicated line of signature guitars (and can shred like a muddafocker – see Don't Want To Go To School Today :eek: ), and which one is a "highly sought-after" session musician who plays for some band called Toto.

[BlueAltitudes]

Why is it that I always get Nuno Bettencourt and Steve Lukather mixed up? I always forget which one plays for Extreme and has a mucho-complicated line of signature guitars (and can shred like a muddafocker – see Don't Want To Go To School Today :eek: ), and which one is a "highly sought-after" session musician who plays for some band called Toto.

Hmm, I couldn't find it, linky?

[DaFjory]

Sorry, the full title is 'Mutha (Don't Want To Go To School Today)'. He shreds it up like a demon during the intro.

[Carter_84]

yeah, Nuno is seriously good, and I think quite underated. Check out Play with Me :eek: , and also It's a Monster, off of Pornograffitti.

[Resiliance]

I've always found his rhythm playing to be the most impressive/cool. Get The Funk Out & HE-Man Woman Hater :)

[Freepower]

^ same with EVH, actually. And, to a certain extent, Rusty Cooley and GG.

Although Guthrie tends to make you think that about everything he does. (ie, that it's what he does best)

[Resiliance]

That's the least of my focus points when I'm watching Guthrie :p:

That bastard. And yeah, EVH, absolutely.

[Freepower]

It's the least of my focus when watching Bridget Mermikides, but it takes all sorts... :p:

Speaking of which, Bill Odie is a terrible guitarist. Terrible.

[DaFjory]

The nature guy for Springwatch?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Oddie#Music


I do love how much EVH influence there is in Bettencourt's playing. He's like a more funked-up, metal-fied version of EVH with oodles more technique. Then again, the whole band sounds kind of a VH tribute at times (which isn't a bad thing) – the harmony vox, guitar tone, Cherone's tone of voice, etc.

[Freepower]

^ yup, the nature guy. He got lessons from Bridget (awesome play and teacher, lovely person) for a tv documentary, just basically refused to learn and thought he knew better. He got paid a ridiculous amount and didn't even properly fulfill his contractual obligation to actually learn to play the guitar. Ridiculous.

[Resiliance]

Ewww, nature.

[DaFjory]

^ yup, the nature guy. He got lessons from Bridget (awesome play and teacher, lovely person) for a tv documentary, just basically refused to learn and thought he knew better. He got paid a ridiculous amount and didn't even properly fulfill his contractual obligation to actually learn to play the guitar. Ridiculous.

I never actually saw the end of that prog when it was on, so from the sounds of it he certainly is a presumptuous prick. As a guitar enthusiast, I found the concept of the show ridiculous.

I do remember, however, the part where Mark Knopfler tries teaching him thumb-style. My jaw dropped when I saw how fast his thumb picked on a standard 6-stringer! :eek:

[Freepower]

^ if you have the Guitar Techniques released after that show aired (GT 141), the editors intro says (and I'm actually typing this from the issue in front of me) -

...the programme went on to imply that after a quick chat with Albert Lee, Dave Davies and Mark Knofler - all self taught - that moondust magicall burst forth from Bill's finger and he could play. Of course he couldn't, but it made for interesting TV...

What annoyed many viewers to the programme, myself included, was this implication that gifted musicians don't struggle with that open G chord or major pentatonic scale until it sounds clean and well executed - you know, as if BB King woke up one day fully formed the blues genius that he is. We know he didn't - we know he sat down and worked his butt off listening to his heroes and refining his playing day by day, month by month, as Mark, Albert and Dave will each tell you they did. In fact I've interviewed all four of the above players and this is exactly the kind of story they told me.

Thank you Neville Martin - who is also a humble, genuine musician, and a great player to boot. :golfclap:

[flamencogod]

^ go fer it. :p:

Check this out - Francesco fareri is improving!
(he's faster too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhpS92w6R-c&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c83fLRysa9s&feature=related

I'm really glad to see this. :)
Is it me or is his timing in the first video way off...?

[Freepower]

If you mean in the intro riffage, around :22ish onwards, I think the normal drumbeat is continuing slightly quieter and a syncopated ride cymbal is coming in - except that through the camera mic it comes across a lot louder than the surrounding material.

That's what I can deduce with my bro loudly playing X-box in the room. I may be entirely wrong but I think I detect a convential drumbeat and then a contrasting pattern accented over the top. Tell me if you hear it too. :)

[flamencogod]

no, that isn't what I was refering to. He is playing the same rythmn at 0:22 that he is playing before that timemark. To my ears it just isn't in time, the bluesy idea he is playing. The 'lead melody' sounds like a mediocre guitarist improvising over a backtrack to my ears.

[Freepower]

His timing ain't perfect but I don't hear it as that bad. http://forum.blu-ray.com/images/smilies/imported/shrug.gif

Perhaps too long listening to Meshuggah. :p:

[Godly Moose]

Shit, been listening to much trance music, and death metal, NEED MORE OF DA SHREDDING.

[Freepower]

http://www.last.fm/user/freepowerUG

Prepare to :facepalm: at my number 1 most listened to track evar. :p:

[Orbit91]

http://www.last.fm/user/freepowerUG

Prepare to :facepalm: at my number 1 most listened to track evar. :p:
I was just listening to your 2nd song, scary :eek:

[DaFjory]

What the hell!!!! :eek:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=18HnQse5WjA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YfJLAKkmVzc

If it all it takes is a "Laney amp"(?) and a BOSS GT6 to get an instant Holdsworth/Garsed tone, then I'm buying that shit the first chance I get! With a bit more delay, that would be a dead-on interpretation of his tone. Hell, it's even close enough to that Gambale tone in his first video that I keep banging on about.

Thing is, what settings? I wouldn't buy anything until I know the exact settings to get precisely what I hear on that video. I'm amazed, though. Everyone keeps saying that you need all manner of pedals, weirdly-wired amps and custom Duncans to get even close to Holdsworth's tone... yet this nobody from Brazil has it nailed (not to mention insanely good technique).

[TheShred201]

W00t, got 4 albums yesterday, two of which belong in here
Zero Order Phase--Jeff Loomis
Clean--Dave Martone
(the others were Nothing--Meshuggah, and In The Shadow Of A Thousand Suns--Abigail Williams, but those both belong more in the metal forum so w/e)
All in all, I'm very happy with all 4 purchases.

[Axegrinder#9]

hey guys, I put this up at the Original Recordings forum. if anyone's interested, take a look and leave a comment.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=992442

peace

[Resiliance]

What the hell!!!! :eek:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=18HnQse5WjA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YfJLAKkmVzc

If it all it takes is a "Laney amp"(?) and a BOSS GT6 to get an instant Holdsworth/Garsed tone, then I'm buying that shit the first chance I get! With a bit more delay, that would be a dead-on interpretation of his tone. Hell, it's even close enough to that Gambale tone in his first video that I keep banging on about.

Thing is, what settings? I wouldn't buy anything until I know the exact settings to get precisely what I hear on that video. I'm amazed, though. Everyone keeps saying that you need all manner of pedals, weirdly-wired amps and custom Duncans to get even close to Holdsworth's tone... yet this nobody from Brazil has it nailed (not to mention insanely good technique).

The amp/pedal has little to do with the "sound". I don't really think the tone is that similar to Holdsworth (though admittedly, the sound is), let alone Garsed (not at all, just the legato that they have in common).

And yeah... I think it's a pretty mediocre tone, and it's really easy to get one like that :p:

[DaFjory]

Oh.




Well, don't I feel stupid now for going crazy like some girl. http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3718/blushing3hi1.gif

I still think it's a good tone, though. Very smooth. That's pretty much the ballpark of what I'd be looking for one of these days (I don't see my tastes changing in favour of any of these modern, dry, throaty tones with loads of fuzz [yuck*Gilbert*yuck] ).

[Freepower]

:eek:

Is this "Everyone like what Resi doesn't" day? Because if it is, I've been listening to some brutal metal shit.

[Axegrinder#9]

don't ever buy any multi-FX unit for purposes of live playing, or crafting your own sound. that junk is best left for recording purposes, and in that too I'd go with the PODxt

[Resiliance]

:eek:

Is this "Everyone like what Resi doesn't" day? Because if it is, I've been listening to some brutal metal shit.

Day? How about month? Year? Half-decade? :p:

[rky]

what greg howe recordings are more similar to his playing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVbz_uXJd0

i don't really feel like introspection or hyperacuity sound much like this. :confused:

[DaFjory]

Don't worry about Hyperacuity - it's about as fusion'ey as he'll get, and fortunately he's only done one release like it. I can only listen to it when I'm running through my Holdsworth/Gambale stuff... It's a bit of a challenge.

But for something like that video, try his latest release Sound Proof, or the 2 albums he did with Kotzen - Tilt and Project. They're more standard fare.

[Resiliance]

I actually think Introspection is pretty similar to that... What am I missing? Either way, Extraction also.

[Orbit91]

Greg's an amazing player.

[DaFjory]

I actually think Introspection is pretty similar to that... What am I missing? Either way, Extraction also.

I kinda tried to see it from his point of view, and I can see why Introspection would've thrown him a bit... It's got a lot of twists and turns, with a weird tone, slightly odd production... Certainly a big stylistic leap from his debut (which he may have heard first and expected more of).

Extraction would be even worse to move on to! :eek:

[Orbit91]

I kinda tried to see it from his point of view, and I can see why Introspection would've thrown him a bit... It's got a lot of twists and turns, with a weird tone, slightly odd production... Certainly a big stylistic leap from his debut (which he may have heard first and expected more of).

Extraction would be even worse to move on to! :eek:
Wouldn't thrown you as much, as the move from Joey Tafolla's first to second album :p:

[Freepower]

^ or from Pendulum's first to second. :(

[Orbit91]

^ or from Pendulum's first to second. :(
True, can't say I listen to that much of Pendulum though :p:

[DaFjory]

Wouldn't thrown you as much, as the move from Joey Tafolla's first to second album :p:

Nahhh. Like with Howe's sophomore, I found that transition to be pretty tame - just take away the delay and reverb, and make the songs groovier and less epic. I found it to be a pleasant surprise.

[Orbit91]

Nahhh. Like with Howe's sophomore, I found that transition to be pretty tame - just take away the delay and reverb, and make the songs groovier and less epic. I found it to be a pleasant surprise.
It's amazingly hard to find a download of both of them for me, I've only got the occasional track of each one.

Mind sharing ;) ?

[Freepower]

^ :no:

[Orbit91]

^ :no:
I meant YouTube videos ;)

[DaFjory]

^ Well hey - if you want, I can MegaUpload his entire discog. No qualms. That's how I found out as to whether or not I liked Introspection, after all.

All I'd say is that if you DO like anything, buy a physical version if you've got spare cash. It's satisfying in some way. 80% of the guys I listen to were discovered via downloading. *shrug*

[Resiliance]

I think Greg's neoclassical stuff is rubbish (or in other words I don't like it very much) :p: Which is why Introspection and Extraction are probably my two favorite albums of his.

Are we at odds again?! :(

[Freepower]

Only if you like this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U567Z0H5Cw&feature=related

That's right. He has a youtube now. :p:

[DaFjory]

I think Greg's neoclassical stuff is rubbish (or in other words I don't like it very much) :p: Which is why Introspection and Extraction are probably my two favorite albums of his.

Are we at odds again?! :(

Feels like deja vu me saying this, but I just don't see what is "neo-classical" about his debut. It's fast, it's shreddy, it's groovy, but it's not Yngwie/TMac/Moore/Tafolla/Becker/Friedman-like in the slightest - no classical rip-offs or overt homages to historical figures. It's just Howe. I haven't heard anything like it from the '80s.

And I like all of his stuff (especially the Uncertain Terms—Parallax—Five trio). His debut just happens to be my favourite because it was the first album I heard of his, and I'm always a suckah for reverb and squealy tone. :p:

Oh, and what exactly is "rubbish" about it?

[public property]

Ok FP, you'll have to enlighten me, I seem to have missed his genius appearing.

[Orbit91]

^ Well hey - if you want, I can MegaUpload his entire discog. No qualms. That's how I found out as to whether or not I liked Introspection, after all.

All I'd say is that if you DO like anything, buy a physical version if you've got spare cash. It's satisfying in some way. 80% of the guys I listen to were discovered via downloading. *shrug*
I'd appreciate that a lot, thanks.
And if they stocked half the CD's I wanted, I wouldn't download them :D

[Freepower]

^ guys - UG is not a filesharing hub, and will not become one on my watch. Keep it off the forums.

Ok FP, you'll have to enlighten me, I seem to have missed his genius appearing.

I think that'd shock him more than me.

That guy thinks he's hot shit, read the stuff he writes about himself.

And I joined my local Table Tennis club tonight. :)

[DaFjory]

Oopsie. Just a bout of absent-mindedness - won't happen again. :angel:

[public property]

And I joined my local Table Tennis club tonight. :)

Remember not to anchor on the table!

[Resiliance]

Feels like deja vu me saying this, but I just don't see what is "neo-classical" about his debut. It's fast, it's shreddy, it's groovy, but it's not Yngwie/TMac/Moore/Tafolla/Becker/Friedman-like in the slightest - no classical rip-offs or overt homages to historical figures. It's just Howe. I haven't heard anything like it from the '80s.

And I like all of his stuff (especially the Uncertain Terms—Parallax—Five trio). His debut just happens to be my favourite because it was the first album I heard of his, and I'm always a suckah for reverb and squealy tone. :p:

Oh, and what exactly is "rubbish" about it?

Ummm... It sounds like any- and everything Shrapnel ever released to me. Crappy mix, crappy sound, bland, trite, uninspired playing (and yes, neoclassical to my ears)... Wanking, really.

I don't really know what else to say. It's just not anything special at all.

[DaFjory]

^ Aww. Like... you used to be cool, maaaan. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7509/crying11dc8.gif

[Nacho Cheese!]

Hey DaFjory, check your PMs. You might be able to help me ;)

[Orbit91]

Ummm... It sounds like any- and everything Shrapnel ever released to me. Crappy mix, crappy sound, bland, trite, uninspired playing (and yes, neoclassical to my ears)... Wanking, really.

I don't really know what else to say. It's just not anything special at all.
Yeah, Shrapnel did kind of become a joke with the amount of Yngwie-Clones it spurted out in the mid 80's.

That being said, Vinnie Moore and Tony MacAlpine are still definitely in my top 10 of Neo-Classical inspired players :p:

[Resiliance]

So's Howe... Only when he's not playing neoclassical, just like Vinnie Moore on Meltdown or Macalpine in CAB. Not much neoclassical inspiration in that stuff, tbh.

[ScarifiedIbanez]

Ritchie Kotzen is pretty sick too.

[DaFjory]

Well it's official - I dig Rusty Cooley. :eek:

Besides the ghastly tone and mindless sweeping, there's something about his playing that I find 'cool' to my ears. And those sweeps are just intense... Much more clarity than Fareri's spazzing. Should I check out this Outworld thingy, too?

Dominion the song still remains my fave, and the one that probably started to turn my opinion of him into a favourable one. Plus, if the liner notes in his '03 album still hold truth today, he's a proper family man and I always respect that in a person - musician or otherwise. :)

[ZylitoL]

Damn, now I'm gonna have to check out his solo record.

MA classifies Outworld as progressive, hm. I always had the image that they were more of a power metal thing. I'll give it a shot soon.

[DaFjory]

I've always had the idea that Outworld would sound like the 2 bonus vocal tracks at the end of his solo album.

[TheShred201]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5iC_93qo4Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkrAyHk3fds&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5N55tUHiA

There's some outworld for ya. Don't watch their music video to get a true idea for the sound of the album as they have different singers. Glad to hear you like Rusty Cooley too. BTW, seeing as Dominion is your favorite track, have you checked the tabs of it yet?

[Freepower]

Rusty ****ing rocks. Making music on his own terms, and doing it well.

Plus, if the liner notes in his '03 album still hold truth today, he's a proper family man and I always respect that in a person - musician or otherwise.

:golfclap:

[rky]

hmmm... how many of you guys direct input when you record yourselves playing? i ask because i find when i record myself (attempting :p: ) shredding, it sounds a lot better when i record my amp with a laptop mic instead of using guitar rig 3 or revalver direct with my maudio fast track. not just sound quality, but the playing sounds cleaner. or is that just compression from the shitty laptop mic quality tricking my ears?

[Freepower]

No idea. :) I always find laptop mic sounds like incredible balls. :p:

[DaFjory]

Back when I used to record my pathetic attempts to shred, I would just put my el-cheapo mic in front of the amp and fire up GoldWave. If I stood close enough, my pickstroke whacking would get recorded, too. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7273/blushing3an9.gif

Isn't that how... everyone in their bedroom does it?

[Resiliance]

Please, don't tell me how you do it in your bedroom.

[DaFjory]

That's pickstroke whacking, not the other kind dagnamit. :p:

[Freepower]

Now who'd record that? :p:

[Nacho Cheese!]

Now who'd record that? :p:

Me. :haha

...

:sad:

[DaFjory]

And as they say, "it's all in the wrist"... especially good for trem picking practice. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3599/pervylz1.gif

[Freepower]

It's all in the live-in gf, guys.

Seriously.

Why does this happen every shred thread eventually?

[BlueAltitudes]

It's all in the live-in gf, guys.

Seriously.

Why does this happen every shred thread eventually?

:haha

You raise a good point and I have no answer.

[Nacho Cheese!]

:haha

You raise a good point and I have no answer.

I don't have an answer either. :confused:

[Freepower]

Highlight reel from the internets...


Im sorry, but John Petrucci/Marco Sfogli could improvise so much better than holdsworth..although his chords are insanely good

nobody cares about sax..that instrument sucks balls and consequently is for people who suck balls..

guitar is a mans game...so not quite sure why holdsworth is in it ;)



petrucci would kick ur ass..in real life because he weight trains and on the guitar because..hate to point this out AGAIN..but when was holdsworth ever invited to G3 year after year...petrucci was

i guess some people are more hung up on jazz fusion improv than playing ability,and charisma..but thats just me

My god. :cry:

[rky]

petrucci has onstage charisma? :no:

(actually i feel like he's gotten less facially expressive now compared his live in tokyo vids... must be the beard: i actually have a theory that growing beards cause bands to get progressively crappier. petrucci grew a beard and his current playing sucks compared to his old style, anders from in flames grew a beard and in flames sucks now. :p: )

[public property]

petrucci has onstage charisma? :no:

(actually i feel like he's gotten less facially expressive now compared his live in tokyo vids... must be the beard: i actually have a theory that growing beards cause bands to get progressively crappier. petrucci grew a beard and his current playing sucks compared to his old style, anders from in flames grew a beard and in flames sucks now. :p: )

Its in the weight training, makes you all tense. You end up just standing on stage looking like :mad: till people get scared of you.