** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[DaFjory]

Holdsworth in G3... http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7283/unimpressed4gm6.png

Holdsworth not a man in the guitar game... http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4461/duh2eq0.gif

Petrucci or anyone a better improviser than Holdsworth... http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8633/shakinghead2ko1.gif



I feel as though I've lost some brain cells reading those 'opinions'... I need a quick fix of Hard Hat Area right now (the booklet of which I had signed by the man himself!, plus Wackerman and Johnson. :D )

[Freepower]

I recently aquired scans of the discontinued Japanese transcription book. :)

[public property]

Fp, whats the next installment of sonic based techno doom gonna be? I was working on ice cap zone before you put it up but those arpeggios are tiring to play :(

[Freepower]

I basically ran out of good tunes to do that I had sounds to do justice to them with.

That reminds me of one or two I really should do. :p:

[DaFjory]

I was curious enough to further expand my shred collection, and happened upon a guy called Joe Stump.

*giggles like a 5yr old at his name*

The music's alright, for an outright Ingvay clone, but I can't help but think of some very negatives words for this...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9946/jstmphp7.jpg

Sorry, but the look on his face says nothing but "DUUUUHHHHHH, I'M RETAWWWDED AND I CAN PLAY GEETAWWW!!!" to me. I can actually sense sadness in those puppydog eyes... There's something intensely sorrowful about his expression in that pic.

*sniff*

I feel like such an immature prick sometimes. :(

[public property]

Pop quiz! what does meshuga mean!

[Nacho Cheese!]

Crazy...

[Freepower]

"Crazy"... in Yiddish.

[public property]

I was just browsing a hebrew site and found that, I assumed fp would know though.

[ZylitoL]

The classical theme in Under the Influence by Rusty is extremely fun to play it on guitar, and I've only learned the first little bit! Very good for my controlled mid tempo picking, which I need to improve on.

EDIT: Those 3 string sweeps that come after the picking part seem ok for me to attempt later @ 75% speed, 137bpm. This song rocks for technique training lol.

[Freepower]

If you're using the version I think you are, I believe shred201 tabbed it. Give him some mad props. :)

[TheShred201]

If it Is, also, give props to Buckethead_Jr. and whoever on an Argentinian guitar site made a tab of it, as those two tabs helped mine a lot (I essentially just took the better sections by each of them and put them together. In some spots I did make some changes and such, but not too much TBH...)....I have stuff I need to correct in it though but I'm more busy with other projects (Namely Jeff Loomis, Bulb/Periphery, Dave Martone, and Guthrie Govan....)

[ZylitoL]

Thanks Shred, for the awesome work. I can't get enough of that classical theme.

[TheShred201]

:cheers:
If you get to the solo, there's some errors, but as I said, I won't be fixing it any time soon :p:

[ZylitoL]

^It's cool, I won't be playing it any time soon.

By that, I mean never. :(

[DaFjory]

Just noticed - Shawn Lane does a cool mini-homage to Eric Johnson at 2:34 on the title track of Time Is The Enemy.

[Freepower]

^ the cliffs of dover thing? It should be noted that EJ was a big fan of Shawn's, if you didn't know already. :p:

[DaFjory]

So... which way around was it - Did Shawn pay homage to EJ, or Shawn invented it before '88 and EJ made a song of it? :confused:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3886/imconfusiy9.jpg

(And no, I didn't know that EJ was a fan. I haven't actually heard enough of the 'hereos' talk about him, which saddens me. I should get out more.)

[Freepower]

If it's a "Cliffs of Dover intro tribute" I'd guess that it's Shawn's tribute to EJ. Shawn used that little lick a lot. Imo, he plays it too fast for it to sound cool. Otoh, they influenced each others fast pentatonics. :)

[DaFjory]

Ah, so he just chucked it in as a favourite lick occasionally. I geddit.

[Nacho Cheese!]

(And no, I didn't know that EJ was a fan. I haven't actually heard enough of the 'hereos' talk about him, which saddens me. I should get out more.)

Then I'm guessing you would know about this:

"Actually, for all we know it may have been the other way around. Shawn and Eric had known each other for many years.... Shawn's grandma (whom he lived with for most of his life) even recalls Eric Johnson coming over to the house to see shawn as early as 1979-ish (as her memory serves). Eric used to check out Shawn's playing way back then... even though Eric 'made it big' as a solo artist before Shawn did."

...thats from a comment on this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpFtLiMigTo&feature=related

2nd page. :D

[TheShred201]

W00t, Erotic Cakes=Downloading (legally from Blues jam Tracks....I pay for my music....) along with Audio and video of him playing a version of Fives (can be seen on youtube) w/PDF and Powertab.....

[DaFjory]

legally from Blues jam Tracks....I pay for my music

What about when you want to download some stuff in order to see if you like someone, and then buy a physical CD afterwards?

[TheShred201]

I generally will either risk buying an album by someone, or will just look on youtube and such for examples.

[DaFjory]

What if you'd rather not risk, download a full album in a matter of seconds, and realise they're crap? (not Guthrie of course, but imagine me buying a Fareri album blindly - I'd feel robbed).

[Freepower]

I wish there was a "donate directly to the artist" button on band's websites.

[TheShred201]

I'm sure if you emailed them they'd be happy to take a donation....
Fjory, I don't mind getting a bad album every now and then, it's not that big of a deal to me. Generally though, I'm pretty confident going into my purchases.

[DaFjory]

Sure. I'm just saying that the stigma associated with downloading is uncalled for in certain circumstances, like my downloading of some artists' discographies years before I had the money to buy their physical CDs. The record companies should be thanking me for using that method of even discovering them in the first place - Kazaa. :p:

[Freepower]

http://www.greghowe.com/video.php?bcpid=1078986822&bclid=1111384413&bctid=483623291

Holy ****. That better be a wig. Either way, holy ****. Pwnage.

[Nacho Cheese!]

http://www.greghowe.com/video.php?bcpid=1078986822&bclid=1111384413&bctid=483623291

Holy ****. That better be a wig. Either way, holy ****. Pwnage.

:haha Yeah, I'm guessing that is a wig...that would be some amazing hair to have though

[TheShred201]

OMG. Erotic. Cakes. (Album, not just the song). Is. F***ing. Amazing.

Seriously, I'm sad I hadn't bought it before. I have a new favorite instrumental guitar CD. Just thought you guys should know.

[Freepower]

Well duh.

Obviously, Resi doesn't like it. :p:

[sock_demon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEU-3mk6nJo&feature=related

Anyone know who this is?

Probably a crossdresser but still, he/she's got good technique.

[train wreck]

that surprised me, the whole costume and stuff, and then those skills. :O

[Resiliance]

Well duh.

Obviously, Resi doesn't like it. :p:

It's not that I don't like it, it's that it should've been much better, judging by his live performances & the Fellowship.

[public property]

I think guthrie is very jekel and hyde in that his rock and jazz sides tend to keep seperate from each other alot of the time, yes its jazz rock, but he generally splits the two and this solo of album of his was his answer to the rock section, which alot of people find a dumbed down version of his playing (which it isn't imo)

[Freepower]

Something I dislike about Guthrie's playing is that he is so capable and wry that I never feel he's addressing anything he really cares about musically. I get that he's making music for it's own joy, fo sho, but it's like trying to get to the emotional core of someone who's really adept in conversation and doesn't want you to get there. :p:

Discuss?

[DaFjory]

Sort of Holdsworth-like, I guess. He makes music for himself, not for others? Maybe that's why he's not as big Satch and co, who strive (deep down) to make music for the guitar-loving masses in order to sell.

[Erc]

Something I dislike about Guthrie's playing is that he is so capable and wry that I never feel he's addressing anything he really cares about musically. I get that he's making music for it's own joy, fo sho, but it's like trying to get to the emotional core of someone who's really adept in conversation and doesn't want you to get there.

Discuss?

There is a documentary on horowitz, or maybe just famous pianists in general that I saw a portion of once, and there was a commentator, a pianist, when addressing horowitz, said something of the likes 'there is something about perfection and artistry that are contradictory...'

Maybe that is what you mean?

[Freepower]

^ not at all, really.

What I mean is that Guthrie is so adept at expressing himself, and so musical when expressing petty ideas (like being hungover) - that he can "avoid the subject" deftly with his music. Sure, he can play a great lick or two that expresses a "hangover", or the joy of enjoying some "skunk" with his friends, and he can play beautiful, beautiful music - but can he play "death in the family"? Can he play "unrequited love"? Can he play "lust"?

Can Guthrie tackle something too big to be funny to him?

I suppose that's the core of the issue. I've found that the more I can play well enough to make people laugh (eg, with silly outside lines, parodies, lighthearted melodies...) - the less I can find the courage to really tackle what's important to me within my music. I noticed this in Guthrie's playing before I could play properly, btw, I'm just noticing now that I have the same problem I believe him to have.

[public property]

I think this is why I can listen to vai with more sincerity than guthrie, hes got the humour in his playing and while his technique may not match up to guthries flawlessness he always trys to produce something emotional and 'bigger than him'

I just realised I used the word 'emotional' and I apologize, but I hope you get what I meant by it!

[DaFjory]

When the bloody 'ell are TMac and Holdsworth going to release new albums? Both of them haven't had new material out since '01, and I'm now just clamouring for more. :(

I even asked the legato master himself as to when he's getting something new out, and he said "hopefully sometime next year" (this was November '07). If only I would've gone to see him again for that September date at the same venue... The same question would've awaited him, but this with my digicam so that I could've done that Shawn Lane thing - "My Idol, Allan Holdsworth! The greatest!"—"Not really..." :p:

[wil]

I think this is why I can listen to vai with more sincerity than guthrie, hes got the humour in his playing and while his technique may not match up to guthries flawlessness he always trys to produce something emotional and 'bigger than him'

I just realised I used the word 'emotional' and I apologize, but I hope you get what I meant by it!

In my humble opinion, the world needs more eccentric guitar albums more than it needs guitar ballads. I'd rather hear Guthrie play than Steve Vai.

[public property]

^ If only because between the late 70's and early 90's the amount of ballad guitar albums produced went into frenzy and now the world is loaded down with them.
I admire both players greatly though and don't really group vai into ballady nonsense, more like ballady eccentricity (can't call RI:R anything different). Guthrie lacks any kind of speciality, hes just a guy playing really amazing guitar, nothing behind his personality or songs other than the obvious.

[SnowballofDoom]

I like him and all, but I agree with pp. I've never gotten too much out of Guthrie's music beyond the wow factor.

[ZylitoL]

GG lacks "nothing" though. In a sense, he specializes in everything, so no real emphasis is put on a particular aspect of his playing.

We're taking Guthrie's immaculate talent for granted now....

[Nacho Cheese!]

I like him and all, but I agree with pp. I've never gotten too much out of Guthrie's music beyond the wow factor.

Am I one of the only ones that get something outside of the wow factor? His work is amazingly beautiful.

[Freepower]

I love it. :)

[DaFjory]

Does he actually have anything else out besides Erotic Cakes? I feel as though I still need more reason to be impressed. I'm in no doubt regarding his technique, but if the music doesn't keep me coming back for more...

[Freepower]

3 DVDs, at least one live CD with the Fellowship. :)

[DaFjory]

But no other studio material? Balls.

[Lemoninfluence]

3 DVDs, at least one live CD with the Fellowship. :)
I wasn't impressed with the fellowship cd.

to be fair I was hoping for erotic cakes 2 and I have only listened to it once or twice without really giving it my full attention. But usually a good album can grab my attention even if im playing it in the background.

[ZylitoL]

Am I one of the only ones that get something outside of the wow factor? His work is amazingly beautiful.
No other instrumental in my music collection touches the level of appreciation that Waves gets from me right now.

This really belongs in the Jazz forum, but the guy is a shredder so...

Anyone fan of Alex Skolnick Trio? I love everything that guy does! The covers album is awesome, been playing it the last 2 hours religiously.

[DaFjory]

I think Erotic Cakes and Garsed's Big Sky start off almost identically - compare Waves to Undoing; I always get them confused! They're uncannily similar with that main melody IMO. Either Guthrie decided to rip off that melody and run away with it, or it's just conincidence.

[ZylitoL]

Randomly out of the blue today, I learned sweep taps. Still rough around the edges but I got it acceptably clean @ sextuplets 120bpm. Inspired by the Concerto F#min theme, and I came up with a bunch of cool original licks by myself too =D.

Of course, my sweeps are still crap but I think I'm getting there....moving progress from 3 string to 4, not too much of a problem. Got greedy and went for the 5 string sweep and failed.

Think I'm going to learn the lyrical solo in When the Water Breaks @ bar 337 soon...and gotta finish learning the Biaxident solos...ahhhh I want to play guitar but I gotta sleep!!!

[TheShred201]

Just out of curiosity, how is your sweep tapping acceptably clean if your sweeps are crap, seeing as sweep tapping is mostly sweeping?

[kirkisking]

oh man, I am pissing myself silly just looking at Jason Becker's signature Paradise guitar

ROFL @ the pickup colors

[ZylitoL]

Just out of curiosity, how is your sweep tapping acceptably clean if your sweeps are crap, seeing as sweep tapping is mostly sweeping?
Well I'm doing 3 (moving onto 4 atm) string sweeps with an extra note tapped at the top, like this.
|-------14-19-22-14------
|----15---------------15----
--16---------------------16-
|-----------------------------
|------------------------------
|-----------------------------

My sweeps are crap as in I can't do 5 or 6 string sweeps yet, but my 3 strings are respectable now and adding the D string is going pretty well.

[Prophet of Page]

Oh Shred Forum, it's been too long...

[Nacho Cheese!]

I need to work on my sweeping...someone should give me some exercises to practice. Rephrase that some good songs to help my sweeping. I was thinking something by Becker since he sweeps so much. Just not sure what to do. Any ideas...other than Cooley?

[TheShred201]

Only songs for X technique thread that's stickied in the advanced technique should help.

[ZylitoL]

Nacho, I personally use(d) the following for my sweeps.

Roughly in the order of increasing difficulty in my opinion...
Bar 71 of Altitudes - JB
Bar 150 of Cask of Amontillado - Michael Romeo
Concerto main theme- Cacophony
Towards the Dead End intro - Children of Bodom.

Slowing down faster passages also generally works. I'm learning those 3 string sweeps in Under the Influence @ 75% speed now and it's coming along nicely and sounds pretty good so far.

[Prophet of Page]

I don't know if you guys have seen these already, but check out these Garsed Helmerich videos (the camera men are retarded)...

"Blues Song" w/Joel Hoekstra!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iVJjDuZxiM

"Verba Buena Bells" the technique freaks will note TJs playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La8OuAxeiWo

I love Brett.

[Resiliance]

Anyone fan of Alex Skolnick Trio? I love everything that guy does! The covers album is awesome, been playing it the last 2 hours religiously.

Good ****. Most of their albums have mainly covers though, on a side note.

I like them mostly because of the drummer, the guitaring isn't that special imo (though certainly not bad). Still, I classify them sound-wise along the "modern jazz" trios such as E.S.T., The Bad Plus, Avishai Cohen Trio, and to a certain extent Cosmosquad. (Which is good)

Oh Shred Forum, it's been too long...

Who are you? :confused:

[Prophet of Page]

Who are you? :confused:

Aw, don't act like you don't love me...

[Resiliance]

Aw, don't act like you don't love me...

Arrr. My thinly-veiled disguise has been thwarted. :wavey:

[Freepower]

:heart:
:heart: Tom :heart:
:heart:



Fixed.

[Prophet of Page]

Arrr. My thinly-veiled disguise has been thwarted. :wavey:

Like it even stood a chance...

Nice avatar btw!

And Free, thanks for that...it made me feel special.

[Freepower]

Nice work on the avatar, Resi. :golfclap:

[sock_demon]

Has anyone seen Batten's cover of flight of the bumblebee Oo


Puts petrucci to shame :eek:

[Resiliance]

Well boys, if you'd have paid attention you'd know this was the same avatar as used around christmas 2005. :o

How hurt I am.

[Prophet of Page]

Well I knew that.

I'm just saying it's nice to see it again.

Gah, sometimes you're impossible.

[Freepower]

I've gone through about 5 monitors since then. Looked different. :o

[Resiliance]

If I'm impossible, how am I typing this? :(

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

[Prophet of Page]

If I'm impossible, how am I typing this? :(

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Woddleduwoopwoodledoodledoo
Woddleduwoopwoodledoodledodoo!

At least thats how that part in Let The Computer Decide sound to me...

[Resiliance]

I love how you get my completely far fetched references.

[Prophet of Page]

I love how you get my completely far fetched references.

:heart:

[Godly Moose]

Oh god how did I get here, I am not good with computer.

[Stratwizard]

lol this thread is so 2005

[paddyo]

^LOL yeah thats so, like, true.:p:





(this is probably another one of my yearly single posts I've been making an then forgetting all about it again by the way):)

[SnowballofDoom]

The best part of this thread is how we've all used the same avatars for years.

[Sjusovaren]

*peaks in in a nervous way*

Hi. :)

*takes my n00by ass back out*

[Prophet of Page]

The best part of this thread is how we've all used the same avatars for years.

I know, I think that's great too.

I really should get a Natalie avatar again.

[Freepower]

(this is probably another one of my yearly single posts I've been making an then forgetting all about it again by the way):)

By the way, I just happen to be living in Dublin atm... if you fancy a jam or owt.

Currently in Stockholm lads, it's ****ing freezing and I'm living in the cheapest student accommodation there is with an old friend who doesn't seem to have stocked his cupboards properly. :p:

[public property]

damn you non-northern irish and your prevailing currency! That €10 you charge for a guitar lesson is enough to buy a house in England now!

[Sjusovaren]

By the way, I just happen to be living in Dublin atm... if you fancy a jam or owt.

Currently in Stockholm lads, it's ****ing freezing and I'm living in the cheapest student accommodation there is with an old friend who doesn't seem to have stocked his cupboards properly. :p:
Yeah, us swedes tend to have fail-y weather. We had fog today aswell in Gävle (a bit north of Stockholm, like 170 kilometers.), so I'd hate to be a busdriver today. :p:

[Freepower]

^ on the other hand, September is from Sweden and you do have fantastically attractive women. Whereas Ireland has just the fail-y weather. :p:

damn you non-northern irish and your prevailing currency! That €10 you charge for a guitar lesson is enough to buy a house in England now!

That's a bit cheap. :p: Have you considered giving lessons, btw? You're a bit good and have an interesting way of expressing yourself.

Or do you have an interesting real job or something? I forget. :(

[bassmanjoe08]

Does anyone know of another Shred forum, like this one, except with a whole site dedicated to it?

[Resiliance]

Oh boy.

[Prophet of Page]

Oh boy.

My thoughts exactly.

[Nacho Cheese!]

... :haha ... :haha

[Godly Moose]

The best part of this thread is how we've all used the same avatars for years.

This is true, I have thought of changing it to Hoss Delgado, but I'll stick with the classic.

[bassmanjoe08]

Oh boy.
Something tells me I just failed hardcore...
Pfft, **** it. :p:
Anyone care to elaborate?

[public property]

Advertising competing sites or other forums in general is against the rules, so any poster that gave a suggestion would be in violation...I think.

And to fp, no I'm unemployed as of this friday, but I'm actually in belfast for the weekend, to see your lovely country!

(well not technically your country I gues)

[Freepower]

This friday, eh? I should be popping through Belfast very briefly this weekend. :p: I'm afraid I'll have a gf and friend to babysit and I'll only be about for an hour, so I don't think we'll be able to meet. :(

Why on earth would you want to be in Belfast anyway? :confused:

[public property]

Dublin is hella expensive cause 1. its dublin 2. The euro exchange rate.
My wife wants to see Kings of leon and we thought we'd make a weekend out of it.

[Freepower]

Well, I suppose there are two days worth of nice things in Belfast, just don't live there. :p:

If you're ever in the country again give me a buzz, specially if you're in Dublin. :) Oh, and good luck finding a new job, totally forgot to say that although I did think it. :o

[ZylitoL]

This is more metal than shred, but any opinions on Jeff Loomis' Zero Order Phase?

I find it quite one-dimensional and the production has those awful drums and sounds like the lead is extremely distant. Still not a huge fan of the lead tone, but I'm getting used to it.

It's good in small doses though. Jeff's leads have Cacophony written all over them.

[Axegrinder#9]

wow GG is obscene in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRSCwbmmq7k

[DaFjory]

^ That man needs to be invited to G3. Now. They're wasting their time with JP and PG, who we've all seen before ad nauseum.

[Prophet of Page]

Eh, I couldn't care either way. All I want is footage of Eric Johnson and Carl Verheyen playing together.

[RandyRhoads414]

i like paul gilbert hes beast

[Stratwizard]

wow GG is obscene in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRSCwbmmq7k

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I wonder how he can do that on acoustic... That's one of the parts of the 3-part GPS documentary btw.

[Thrasher_09]

I know this is not the right thread, but can someone recommend a shred song in which I can develop my alternate picking speed and synchronization between my two hands. I am an advanced beginner/early intermediate.

[ZylitoL]

^Obvious suggestions like Scarified aside, I'd recommend Moto Perpetuo. Sounds great fast or slow, and is a great exercise piece.

[<SpaceTime>]

Hey all Im new to shred (about 1 month), and really want to get into it and "feel the fury" lol. No, but, seriously I love malmsteen and im starting to like vai. Im going to be in the shred forum a lot more, hoping to pick up some stuff. Im moving my home page from the pit to here...lol. Right, see you around.

[BlueAltitudes]

Have any of you ever heard of Battle Arena Toshinden? It has some pretty kickass music that falls along the lines of shred/80's type music lol. Check it out.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RYx0KUdHfyc

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OwV8hiQDcRE

Check out the solo about two mintues in on the first link, and the second one is just awesome/cheesy/badass music lol.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WU7XYlV3V6Y

Here's another one for good measure.

[ZylitoL]

^Kinda cheesy, but then again it's Japanese game metal. One of my great guilty pleasures.

Definitely look into the Guilty Gear soundtrack, made by a Japanese guy who's a metal nut. My personal favorite is this one. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rGetImTgyFA

Some of the Melty Blood ones are good too, but are more game-y, if you know what I mean. This one has a great neo-classical piano/harpichord intro. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2PqfbmwUKg&feature=related

EDIT: Another good Guilty Gear one. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eVsLt1JuPfg&feature=related

[BlueAltitudes]

^Kinda cheesy, but then again it's Japanese game metal. One of my great guilty pleasures.

Definitely look into the Guilty Gear soundtrack, made by a Japanese guy who's a metal nut. My personal favorite is this one. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rGetImTgyFA

Some of the Melty Blood ones are good too, but are more game-y, if you know what I mean. This one has a great neo-classical piano/harpichord intro. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2PqfbmwUKg&feature=related

Lol, I love Japanese game metal and stuff like that. Ever since I played this game, Guilty Gear, and many others I was hooked.

And as you can see that I mentioned Guilty Gear ;). That game has some of the best damn music in a videgame ever! I knew you would post Holy Orders, that song is badass. I like this version better though http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Jredj3n7k. Daisuke Ishiwatari is the name of the creator of all things GG, music/artwork/vocals/ you name it, he does it.

I've heard of Melty Blood, I've never played it though, cool song though.

[ZylitoL]

^That version's more epic. Awesome. GG is great.

[Munchlaxatives]

Can anyone recommend me Dokken, Scorpions, and UFO's best?

[spoony 101]

I'm having quite a bit of trouble with string noise. Most notably, with sweeps.

Any advice?

[Freepower]

Sure, check both the sweeping sticking in Advanced Techniques and the muting video from my youtube lessons. :)

[wil]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751156&page=2&pp=20

Threads like this always amuse me.

[Freepower]

Exactly, Steph Carpenter, obvo. :p:

[Stratwizard]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751156&page=2&pp=20

Threads like this always amuse me.

Why?

[wil]

Mainly the Rich Ward comments.

Just because someone doesn't do tap solos and sweep picking in every song does not make them a bad guitar player. It's about the feeling and emotion you put into the song that matters. I'm just as happy with Daron Malakian's down tuned riffs as I am with Eddie Van Halen's tap solos. It's just a matter of the style you play and the emotion you put into it.

And stuff like this.

[metalisawesome]

Personally, Tony Macalpine is my favorite shred artist because not only is really good at guitar, but he is also a really good musician.

[DaFjory]

I really wish Brett Garsed would put out more solo stuff. My latest purchase of the new year was his Big Sky album (the first track of which, I still say, sounds practically identical to Waves by Guthrie Govan!), and I'm loving it even more than when I had it lying around as a download. There's something original about it, yet not quite off-the-scale different - it fits in nicely with the Vais, Satches and Gilberts, but has a pleasant vibe throughout. Trinity, in particular, has these ominous/foreboding melodies early on that shiver me right up and down.

Brett rules.

[ZylitoL]

^Hmm, I quite like this guy.

Kind of a wrong place to ask this but whatever...

Freepower, Shred201 and anyone else who can help,

Any good 4 string sweep licks/phrases? I've gotten a good hang of the 3 string ones, and I can manage 4 strings but I don't have anything interesting to play whilst developing the technique!

Cheers.

[Freepower]

If you don't have anything interesting to play then you have to learn to make up more interesting things before developing your technique. ;)

[Lemoninfluence]

can anyone give me some suggestions for some decent 80s superstrats to look for?

Ideally I'd like a maple neck, bright colours and a weird pickup arrangement but anything that screams 80s is good.

guitars along the lines of the Kramer pacer, BC rich gunslinger, old style ibby RGs, Charvels, Peavey vandenbergs etc.

I'd start a thread in EG about it but tbh this is just for me to waste time looking for them rather than a serious hunt for a new (sort of) guitar. If I found one for a decent price then I'd be all over it but I'm hardly gonna save up and hunt one down if you know what I mean.

so... yeah, suggestions plz

[ZylitoL]

Theory before technique huh. Fair enough.

I rarely see phrases with continuous 4 string sweeps so I'm not well versed on how to make fluid interesting lines out of them.

I'm open to any and all suggestions. Come on FP =p, I know you know some.

[TheShred201]

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[TheShred201]

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http://chopsfromhell.com/guest_vacherand3.html



The first 4 are some Francesco Fareri exercises, and while some use more than 4 strings, they can be broken down into 4 string groups.

[ZylitoL]

^Thanks a lot man.

EDIT: Thanks!

[public property]

I've very recently started advertising myself for guitar lessons and it made me think 'how can I be the best darn guitar teacher ever, hut dang' so I thought, the usual, just know how to play every song everyone ever brings to you. Now in 90% of cases these songs will be easy and learnable on the spot by ear, or at most I'll have to spend an hour or so out of the day learning it for the next weeks lesson. Even though 90% of the songs will be easy, players tend to have really varied intrests and the idea of having to learn a completely new piece of music maybe multiple pieces every week filled me with a kind of horrid fascination. Alot of people do this kind of thing on their own, but I'm not one of those, so actually being forced to play such a wide range of music makes me giddy to think about.

I guess I have to pose the question to everyone out there who teaches, do you feel the benefits of being in such a demanding position?

[Freepower]

Yes, definately. I've arranged "Stacey's Mom" for 3 guitars and I've arranged the Spongebob Squarepants theme for 1. Fun times!

Although you need a few stock one string riffs for the complete beginners. :)

It's also a really good idea to be able to create a whole "simple song" on the spot, preferably easy to play and preferably in a rock style. It's great for just jamming out lyrics.

Whenever my school has the next pupil concert I think I'll put up some vid clips from my best groups, you wouldn't believe how much energy there is in some kids screaming nonsense over powerchords. :p:

[public property]

what do you do for beginners, just try and teach them something simple that sounds cool?

[Freepower]

Well it depends on age, prior experience, personality etc - and if they have a favourite song or artist you can arrange for them that's great, but these are useful fallbacks.

http://www.justguitar.co.uk/articles/z-not-published-yet/playing_songs_song_list.php

Btw, can you sing at all? I'm a terrible, terrible singer, but I find it does help get the students into it - and it usually gets them to sing too, because they can't be much worse than me. :p:

I've attached some files I recently did up because I'll be starting with 8 new pupils tomorrow with a new music school - these sheets are always useful for beginners. :)

[Axegrinder#9]

hmmm the one thing that kind of proves to be an impediment to teaching and learning, is when beginners come and ask you to show them a bunch of "cool licks" and that Metallica song.
It's kind of hard really, because when I'm approached for lessons, I really get into the theoretical aspect of things and then let the person apply it in any manner he/she sees fit. The problem is that most beginners cannot think or conceptualize music very abstractly, so they seek out familiar territory (like learning a particular blues lick or a pop tune).

I think the challenge for any teacher is to take advantage of the tension between the two ways of teaching; via pop songs, and straight up chord charts and licks, and the other being getting into theory and immediately applying it in a way that makes sense for the student.

[public property]

I was thinking of the way I was taught and it was pretty much divided into 2 sections per lesson, the poppy songs licks etc and music theory. In that way you can explain improvisation to a student from their perspective because you can relate it to what they are currently learning.

[Freepower]

Well, speaking of teaching, I had a great day today and was offered more work due to my handling of a pupil with autism. Apparently he was "glowing" after the lesson. Seriously, I went to work in such a bad mood and came back in such a good one. How many other jobs can you say that about?

[public property]

^ I envy you so much!

[ZylitoL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKbEDTdbZI&feature=related
Some guy basically tapping the crap out of the frets for 3 minutes.

Wanky yeah, but this is really cool stuff. Unbelievably clean, and I like the tone as well!

[DaFjory]

Could I do that if I wasn't so stubborn as to have 2mm action? :p:

[Carter_84]

^^ that's Andy James... he does some cool Satriani and Vai tutorial DVD's for lick library. I think i remember seeing an interview with him and he said technically, the boy from seattle was one of the hardest things he ever learnt.

[public property]

Not too impressive with the head band, that kind of tapping is only hard because of the string noise.

[Freepower]

^ agreed.

^^ that's Andy James... he does some cool Satriani and Vai tutorial DVD's for lick library. I think i remember seeing an interview with him and he said technically, the boy from seattle was one of the hardest things he ever learnt.

Yeah, he's a nice chap, pretty humble, seems to appreciate that he can play but has a way to go. I like that. :)

[Stratwizard]

I don't think the hairdband usage really lowers the "wow factor". After all, if you can make the playing easier some way, then why not? It's not really the difficulty of the licks that impresses me, it's how cool they sound.

[Freepower]

^ well, obviously I meant his technique impressed me less due to the hairband, not the music - which I found dull-ish.

[ZylitoL]

I think the guy will be great if he incorporates some of that into good songs.

I also think that if you can make the playing easier, then you should. By the other logic, lowering action should take away from fast licks. All I care about is the final product really.

[public property]

By that same logic, nobody should care that dragonforse masks their playing in the studio.

[ZylitoL]

Which is why I said

I also think that if you can make the playing easier, then you should.

[Stratwizard]

By that same logic, nobody should care that dragonforse masks their playing in the studio.

Please, tell me how do they "mask" their playing in the studio? And how is it related to this? If we follow your logic, which suggests anything that makes playing easier is cheating, we shoud take away the cutaways of the guitar because they make the fret access easier on the higher frets. Also we should amputate at least 3 fingers off each guitar player because playing is easier with multiple fingers etc etc.

I don't really see why it's so horrible come up with something that makes your playing easier. When you make something easier, you can, on the other hand, make some things more complicated and thus achieve very interesting sounding results. Eliminating string noise with a hairband in this case, gives you more freedom to focus on the musical content when you don't have to worry about ringing strings.

[public property]

For recording purposes I have nothing against it and I was only commenting on the technical aspect of playing. The point where it annoys me is where people play 'flashy' while have the dampener on (mab excluded because thats focal to what he does) in live situations.

[bassmanjoe08]

For recording purposes I have nothing against it and I was only commenting on the technical aspect of playing. The point where it annoys me is where people play 'flashy' while have the dampener on (mab excluded because thats focal to what he does) in live situations.
So which category would the 'Human Capo' Paul Gilbert uses on Get Out of My Yard go under, in your eyes? Lazy or necessary?

EDIT: I wont take it too far by mentioning regular capos. :p:

[public property]

That did come to mind, I was consider that neccassary since the way he wanted it to sound was based on a set of rules and doing it another way would be 'anti-musical'

[DaFjory]

One thing I will say about MAB, like him or not, he does a great job of promoting himself. I mean there's his own pickups, guitars, pedals, dampeners, DVDs, CDs, magazine columns, website, forum... Now that is one clever bloke! Even if you hate his music, he's probably made/will make more cash than everyone in this forum put together. :p:

Cooley still has a way to go, and Fareri's barely even got off the ground (for good reason).

[Axegrinder#9]

I'm hoping the regulars here are familiar with Oz Noy?

[Stratwizard]

Young Punx ftw!

[Waterboy799]

i've been getting into guthrie govan lately..and his fusion-esque style of playing, is there any generic advice anyone can give me in order to adapt my playing to that style of music?

i believe he accents every 4th note instead of every 3rd like i'm used to doing and uses outside notes when doing speedy runs...is that all there is to it? can anyone confirm this and maybe give me some more pointers?

[Stratwizard]

i've been getting into guthrie govan lately..and his fusion-esque style of playing, is there any generic advice anyone can give me in order to adapt my playing to that style of music?

i believe he accents every 4th note instead of every 3rd like i'm used to doing and uses outside notes when doing speedy runs...is that all there is to it? can anyone confirm this and maybe give me some more pointers?

Listen to his playing. A lot. You'll catch a lot of things without even noticing it. Also, try transcribing a couple of his solos.

[get ta led out!]

what do I listen to for examples of great shred playing, but in a band setting?

[Freepower]

Paul Gilbert in Mr.Big/Racer X.

Micheal Romeo in Symphony X.

Vai in his various band outings.

[TheShred201]

^Jeff Loomis In Nevermore
Rusty Cooley In Outworld
Buckethead on Enter The Chicken
Mattias Eklundh in Freak Guitar
Buckethead/Bumblefoot in Guns N Roses
Guthrie Govan in Asia/GPS
John Petrucci In Dream Theater

[Waterboy799]

Listen to his playing. A lot. You'll catch a lot of things without even noticing it. Also, try transcribing a couple of his solos.

well, i do..i have Erotic Cakes, i've seen just about every video performance or lesson with regarding that album, i've seen his little blues jam track things, and i've even learned a bit of the song Fives. so far i've deducted that he sometimes uses outside notes and accentuates every 4th notes instead of every 3rd note...which to me is a completely different style of playing coming from learning Gilbert style stuff for the past 2 years.

are their any particular scales he uses besides the usual major/minor that i'm not aware of?

[Nacho Cheese!]

DaFjory check your messages :D

[Jimi-is-god]

what do I listen to for examples of great shred playing, but in a band setting?

Becker Friedman- Cacophony
Reb Beach- Winger
Nuno Bettencourt- Extreme
Malmsteen- Rising Force, Alcatrazz
Endless Sporadic


RITCHIE KOTZEN!!!

[public property]

Can anyone link that video of PG playing spanish fly backstage at a yellow matter custard show?

[ZylitoL]

I think this almost warrants an independant thread, but I'll put it here anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliteriuM

This Youtube channel has so many (80s) shred instructional vids. It has all the "big shred names" like Greg Howe, (a crap-tonne from) PG, Bouillet, Fareri, Moore, Kotzen, Lane, Satch, Timmons, MacAlpine and of course, Marty Friedman (not Melodic Control!!!).

It's awesome and is now my new favorite YT channel. Everyone should check it out.

[Stratwizard]

Eleven Thousand Notes ftw!

..and I want Brett Garsed's legato/phrasing.

[DaFjory]

^ His hybrid picking scares the bejeesus out of me. Incredible dude.

[Stratwizard]

Time for a new avatar... :cool:

[Freepower]

WHUT!!?!?!!?!

Just you wait till I get Smod and then it's going right back to how it was.

[Stratwizard]

Lol I've had the old avatar since 2005. I don't even have a JEM anymore. :p:

[tay1392]

why would you get rid of a JEM!!!

[Freepower]

If you break a Jem you know you're going to hell when you die...

Is that Tom's sig? I can't remember. :sad:

[DaFjory]

A tech in this store once showed me a JEM which had its trem cavity (specifically the ledge area where the studs rest on) completely obliterated by something... or someone. He kept giving me this weird look, as if it had happened under dodgy circumstances. I was inclined to believe him on that part.

Needless to say, though, seeing a JEM in that condition was appalling - cracked, superglued, obviously cracked again...

[public property]

If you break a Jem you know you're going to hell when you die...

Is that Tom's sig? I can't remember. :sad:

*is hurt*

[Freepower]

http://gleesongleanings.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/grusskarte_sorry.jpg

Bloody hell, I remember TapMaster as well now... :o

[Stratwizard]

why would you get rid of a JEM!!!

To get a Suhr...

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/1/0/7/8/107854/pics/_c535716_image_0.jpg

...and listen my song, bitches!

[public property]

Did you convert to orthodox jew :p:

[DaFjory]

Oh now that is hot. Even with the maple board, I like it...

Who uses Suhrs, again?

[Stratwizard]

Oh now that is hot. Even with the maple board, I like it...

Who uses Suhrs, again?

Uhh... me? :p:

http://suhrguitars.com/artists.aspx

[Penn100]

To get a Suhr...

Woah, that looks amzing. I have never played or even heard about a Suhr, but at least it looks beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJELKo8mMeY
Also, I know that this isn't the Tab-requests forum, but I thought I should try.
The lick at 0:25, it's absolutely amazing. I would really appreciate if somebody could tab it out, I know the sound quality is bad, but I thought I should ask. It goes well beyond my own tabbing ability.

EDIT:
Just saw the link above, and noticed Govan. I've been looking for what kind of guitar he's using for a while.

[Stratwizard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJELKo8mMeY
Also, I know that this isn't the Tab-requests forum, but I thought I should try.
The lick at 0:25, it's absolutely amazing. I would really appreciate if somebody could tab it out, I know the sound quality is bad, but I thought I should ask. It goes well beyond my own tabbing ability.


Do you mean the multi-finger tapping lick, "the theme" of Sevens? If so, it's already tabbed.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/Mikealex/sevenstappinglick.gif

[Penn100]

Yeah, you are right. I never thought of that before when listening to sevens. But then, I haven't listened to Sevens since I discovered this lick, oddly enough.
Thanks!

[TheShred201]

^ There's a thread in the Advanced Techniques forum about that tapping section where I posted a tab that goes a bit farther than that one, as it changes after that.

[Nacho Cheese!]

That Suhr is a beaut. How much did it run ya'?

and DaFjory check your messages :) .

[Stratwizard]

That Suhr is a beaut. How much did it run ya'?


Thanks! It was $3200.00 + $395.00 (shipping) and some taxes and toll.

[ZylitoL]

^God damn that cost you a lot.

I'm looking at Ron Thal's Young Guitar video and he's quite impressive. I tried his vocal songs and they didn't quite work out for me, so got any recs for his instrumental stuff? I'm somewhat aware of Guitars Suck (what he played in the vid) but that's about it.

[bassmanjoe08]

R2, Don Pardo Pimpwagon, The Day After, Guitars Still Suck, Children of Sierra Leone, his version of GNR's Don't Cry, Spaghetti... thats just a few to check out.

[ZylitoL]

Any particular album(s)?

[bassmanjoe08]

"9.11" is half instrumental-half vocal (and my favourite). Thats the most instrumentals you'll get on one album nowadays, unless you can find a torrent of "Adventures of Bumblefoot".

[ZylitoL]

Ah I see, his albums are never fully instrumental.

Ok, I'll look into 9.11 and those other songs you mentioned. Thanks.

[bassmanjoe08]

Enjoy! :cheers:

[Stratwizard]

Yeah, 9.11 definitely! Even if you don't like his vocal stuff I highly recommend to check out Normal.

[ZylitoL]

A shredder who perhaps has the biggest difference in size of fanbase across the ocean is Chris Impelliteri. In Korea at least, he always gets a mention when Yngwie and neoclassical shred in general is brought up. You barely hear about him in North America though.

His high speed instrumentals are very cool in small doses. 17th Century Chicken Pickin', Spanish Fire and Race Into the Light are all worthy of mention.
Rat Race and Beware of the Devil aren't half bad Yngwie tributes either.

Your thoughts?

[DaFjory]

^ His tone and sloppiness cracks me up on Stand In Line... no control whatsoever. Otherwise, I've never really tried anything else him or the band have to offer (barring the shitty Screaming Symphony).

[ZylitoL]

I picked up the Greatest Hits CD in a mainstream record shop in Korea, and my exposure is almost all from there (except Race into the Light).

Agreed about his tone and sloppiness. I saw his instructional video for Young Guitar and I was cringing.

[Stratwizard]

17th Century Chicken Pickin' is a damn catchy tune. It's funny, I'm not usually too fond of that kind of stuff but there's just something fun in his picking licks. :cool:

[beadhangingOne]

You know what I just realized is great for sweeping even though it isn't swept?

The arpeggios at the beginning of glass prison by Dream Theater. I like the sound of sweeping it, it's more fluid than however petrucci plays it (alt picking? string skipping?).

[TheShred201]

Trooch alt. picks it.

[Jimi-is-god]

^ His tone and sloppiness cracks me up on Stand In Line... no control whatsoever. Otherwise, I've never really tried anything else him or the band have to offer (barring the shitty Screaming Symphony).


His cover of "some where over the rainbow" its pretty sick!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcZp6mEvLw


On an off note "Stand in Line" sounds so much like Yngwie Malmsteen's "Making Love"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Mqvn3Zk1M&feature=related

and yes Chris's solo in stand in line is very sloppy.

[DaFjory]

His cover of "some where over the rainbow" its pretty sick!

I liked it, except for those extra bent notes he keeps adding after (what would be) "somewheeere". They annoy the hell out of me.

and yes Chris's solo in stand in line is very sloppy.

Yeah, that's exactly the one I meant! It sounds practically trem picked, or alt picked with a spazzy arm. :p:

The whole album does sound very Yngwie-like (I'm thinking Odyssey and The Seventh Sign), but I think it's cool to listen to every now and again. Plus, I have the original edition which isn't remastered/squashed to holy hell.

[ZylitoL]

Listening to Where My Fortune lies and Under The Influence back-to-back, it definitely sounds like Rusty a load of influence from JB and MF. The WMFL section is much more interesting in general and lasts longer, though I think.

Sweeps!!

[bass wizard]

Sorry guys, don't take this a spam please!


What the heck is up with the pit? Theres loads of these dont make any new threads, threads!

Sorry, and again dont take this as spam, it's just that this and music talk are the only the only forums I go to.

[bassmanjoe08]

^^
Sometimes forums crash. It'll probably be fixed eventually. [In the future check the "Site Feedback" forum for this kind of info]

[Freepower]

Sorry guys, don't take this a spam please!

*perma'd for spam*

:p:

[bass wizard]

^lol, and thanks to the guy above for the answer... and i'll look there in future.

[beadhangingOne]

Listening to Where My Fortune lies and Under The Influence back-to-back, it definitely sounds like Rusty a load of influence from JB and MF. The WMFL section is much more interesting in general and lasts longer, though I think.

Sweeps!!

Just a comment about Rusty Cooley. I think he plays too fast haha. What I mean is, the human brain cannot process 24 nps. At least mine can't. It just sounds like warbled hyperspeed mindrape.

[DaFjory]

Whilst I was searching for a clip of that Fred Durst 'solo' from yesteryear, I stumbled across this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PbOk6GgmY


... and was pleasantly surprised. :D

(Actually, fuck, I wish I could play like that.)

[Jimi-is-god]

Whilst I was searching for a clip of that Fred Durst 'solo' from yesteryear, I stumbled across this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PbOk6GgmY


... and was pleasantly surprised. :D

(Actually, fuck, I wish I could play like that.)


Wow! even wiggers can shred

[Freepower]

Yeah, he's actually got so much better since the LB days. :p:

[DaFjory]

I take it everyone can do that though, right? I feel kinda useless since I can't just suddenly break out into shreds and soloing like that. :(




At all.

[Freepower]

Well, I can't really do that. I'm pretty good at what I do, which is teach and write my kind of music. :)

[Stratwizard]

I don't know how much Fred has contributed to the writing process of the Limp Bizkit songs but they do have some ****ing badass songs.

[Nacho Cheese!]

Does anyone know what Herman Li said after the Ibanez convention or what ever? I heard someone mention it and I'm curious at to what he said. I tried to google it last night but it didn't turn any results on the first two pages.

[ZylitoL]

Some food for thought.

I never found those 80s hair metal shredders that interesting. MAB (in Nitro context), George Lynch, Reb Beach, Doug Aldrich etc...they may be great players and some have cool styles but because they're trapped in the hair metal realm, their shredding just flops for me. There are a few exceptions though, like Gilbert in Mr Big (not exactly hair metal but approaching that territory). I love his work in Addicted and Daddy, which have been getting the most listens out of all the PG-related songs in my library lately haha.

Similarly, the same can be said about modern power metal lead players, if you don't like power metal that is. But players like Gus G should try the instrumental thing more often instead of making average power metal, and he's definitely capable of it. Feast of Savages, the instrumental Firewind song with Marty Friedman guesting in it, kicks ASS.

Those that have gone solo are doing damn well. Timmons, Gilbert and Kotzen (again, if quitting Mr Big counts) come to mind immediately. More should follow in their footsteps.

I've been meaning to look into Lynch's work outside of Dokken but I was not one bit impressed with Mr Scary which is supposed to be Lynch's Scarified, so I didn't bother.

[Nacho Cheese!]

I think Loomis is one of those. Just my thought. I don't care for his band work but that solo album of his was pretty good.

[ZylitoL]

Hahaha damn, this is interesting!!

Loomis is one of the few whose solo efforts I actually don't like too much. There are moments in there but it gets very monotonous after a while and I can't listen to more than a song at once. It was like TGE without vocals, and everything a few notch down in quality aside from leadwork. In Nevermore, there's Dane's vocals and Van Williams' kick ass drumming to keep it interesting.

The same goes for Petrucci and Suspended Animation. I remember I first heard Glasgow Kiss, and was excited as hell to get Suspended Animation. Then, the first track, Jaws of Life hit me like a DT B-side riff.

I think it's because those guys have long instrumental passages with their main band, which they fit into so well that anything extended instrumental work they do with session musicians and without the input of their band members is bound to fall short. But having said that, they still kick enough ass to crank out a few decent songs per album/effort.

[Jimi-is-god]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6zDxZz3os&feature=related

probably the cleanest version of flight of the bumblebee

[Godly Moose]

I don't know how much Fred has contributed to the writing process of the Limp Bizkit songs but they do have some ****ing badass songs.

Yeah man, I know what you mean. I personally despise Fred's singing, but the strange outside playing for the songs I really like. I mean the intro riff for Nookie I really like reminds me of Claypool or something, except with a guitar.

[Stratwizard]

Check out this thread: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=19547086 and if you like my entry, give it your vote. :)

[ZylitoL]

So I just played my first major gig in front of around 200 people.

I was given about 2 minutes to just shred, and I had this whole repertoire planned out starting with the Eudaimonia Overture intro. After that though, it just fell apart. My mind went COMPLETELY blank and my palms got sweaty as ****, and playing some Yngwie-ish 1 string licks was a disaster cuz my hand kept sticking to the neck. I ad-libbed the rest and played a very different set of licks. It was full of sloppiness, bad hand coordination and I even forgot to finish a few licks.

I still got a huge applause from the crowd who have probably never seen this kind of thing, but I feel absolutely no personal satisfaction.

And of course, this makes me realize how amazing all my favorite players are, and that I'm still a bedroom guitarist at best.

[deki_stena]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6zDxZz3os&feature=related

probably the cleanest version of flight of the bumblebee

How about this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3uk0tyUg1c

So fast and so clean...Muris is a great guitar player and i hope he wins g. idol this time

[Stratwizard]

So I just played my first major gig in front of around 200 people.

I was given about 2 minutes to just shred, and I had this whole repertoire planned out starting with the Eudaimonia Overture intro. After that though, it just fell apart. My mind went COMPLETELY blank and my palms got sweaty as ****, and playing some Yngwie-ish 1 string licks was a disaster cuz my hand kept sticking to the neck. I ad-libbed the rest and played a very different set of licks. It was full of sloppiness, bad hand coordination and I even forgot to finish a few licks.

I still got a huge applause from the crowd who have probably never seen this kind of thing, but I feel absolutely no personal satisfaction.

And of course, this makes me realize how amazing all my favorite players are, and that I'm still a bedroom guitarist at best.

Don't worry about it. It takes quite a lot of time to get used to the live situation. It's surprisingly hard to play live the licks that you're perfectly able to play in your bedroom. Besides live performances aren't about perfect technique in the first place. All that it matters is that you're making the crowd have good time and conveying your emotions.

[the memory]

yeh man, im gearing up for my first gig in well over a year now
just got all my gear in order though, so im feeling good about that

but im still kinda nervous
the day of the gig im gonna be a total wreck lol


also Zylitol: props for mentioning Gus G up there. hes an amazing player, id love to here a solo album given the awesomeness that is "the fire and the fury" :D

[ZylitoL]

Don't worry about it. It takes quite a lot of time to get used to the live situation. It's surprisingly hard to play live the licks that you're perfectly able to play in your bedroom. Besides live performances aren't about perfect technique in the first place. All that it matters is that you're making the crowd have good time and conveying your emotions.
Oh yeah. But anyway thanks for your kind words.

I have another chance to play in a week or two, with warm up and no hand sweat this time (was playing trombone for 90 minutes before the guitar solo on a HOT stage). I seriously hope that fares better. But hey, at least I know what it feels like live.

[the memory]

have you guys got any tips to avoid sweaty hands/dropping pics etc etc on hot stages?
;)

[Freepower]

Score the pick with a knife or drill a hole through the middle. Carefully, obviously.

[the memory]

ah ive seen someone do that, i think it was god forbid's bassist on their live dvd actually

i wouldnt trust myself with that ahhaa

[DaFjory]

^ Yeah, I tried that scoring thing once (using a knife) with a Jazz III and damn near sliced my picking hand in the process. :eek:

The black ones don't really slip all that much for me. I've got a tight enough grip. If I feel dodgy for whatever reason, I'll use a Jazz IIIXL instead.

[the memory]

ah im using jazz 3s too!

i thought they looked kinda impossible to cut into lol
its quite good they have the kinda name/logo as a kinda raised part to give you some better grip

[Freepower]

I'll have to get a photo of my fave pick up, it's scored and burnt and blunt as hell. :p:

[the memory]

i just have jazz 3s.......
like 6 of them

i need to buy new ones these are all going kinda rounded

[DaFjory]

i need to buy new ones these are all going kinda rounded

Trying picking using the round end. It's actually easier that way sometimes. :D

[the memory]

Trying picking using the round end. It's actually easier that way sometimes. :D

nah man, i love the attack i can get with the sharp end of a jazz 3, especially a new one ;)

[Alter-Bridge]

My Jazz III's are pretty much circles now. I must get some new ones!

[the memory]

My Jazz III's are pretty much circles now. I must get some new ones!
+1

its bursary day next week, so i'll get some new ones then
gotta save my money just now for bus tickets lol

new amps are expensive business :(

[slashnmash]

I've been told I might like Allan Holdsworth, which of his albums would you guys recommend?

[Freepower]

Metal Fatigue's pretty accessable and pretty pwnage.

[DaFjory]

I've been told I might like Allan Holdsworth, which of his albums would you guys recommend?

Hard Hat Area, if you're patient with long songs and build-ups. It's his masterpiece IMO. He shreds like a demon on there, too - more so than on other albums.

Be wary of Metal Fatigue if you're not a fan of downright laughable vox.

[Waterboy799]

So I just played my first major gig in front of around 200 people.

I was given about 2 minutes to just shred, and I had this whole repertoire planned out starting with the Eudaimonia Overture intro. After that though, it just fell apart. My mind went COMPLETELY blank and my palms got sweaty as ****, and playing some Yngwie-ish 1 string licks was a disaster cuz my hand kept sticking to the neck. I ad-libbed the rest and played a very different set of licks. It was full of sloppiness, bad hand coordination and I even forgot to finish a few licks.

I still got a huge applause from the crowd who have probably never seen this kind of thing, but I feel absolutely no personal satisfaction.

And of course, this makes me realize how amazing all my favorite players are, and that I'm still a bedroom guitarist at best.

man i remember my first concert with my school's Jazz guitar class. i was a freshman going into a class that freshmans generally weren't allowed in, but my guitar teacher pulled strings to get me in because he knew that taking an intermediate course before going to jazz would have been a waste of time. so i got a "solo" part in the one rock song we were doing (White Room by Cream) and god did i feel it right before my solo came up... my hands were sweating, i was sweating, i had no clue what to play...once the solo started i pretty much started going with whatever licks i could come up with in the key of E and thank the lord i had that gain cranked cause my arms were feeling mighty weak at the moment, i even hit some accidental artificial harmonics but luckily they were in the right places and sounded good. all in all, everyone was telling me that i was great, even my guitar teacher said he was impressed, but to me all i can remember is a sense of fear and weakness :p:

it's been 4 years and numerous concerts (both good and horrible) later and i don't get as nervous anymore, but that feeling of "how do i recover if i mess up?" will forever be there.

[Freepower]

Does anyone have a backing track for this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1zUeiNQiPM&feature=related

I wanna do a quick video tribute to Martin by covering this lick and I was wondering if anyone has this issue?

[Nacho Cheese!]

Those arpeggios are ****ing amazing. I love the tapping in the beginning. Makes it sound really smooth.

[Penn100]

4 3 2 3 1 4 3 2 3 4
e|----------------8h12-------------------|
B|------------10--------10---------------|
G|---------9-----------------9-----------|
D|-----10----------------------10--------|
A|-12------------------------------12----|
E|---------------------------------------|
I'm trying to get into sweeping, so I don't know if this would be the right forum (Guitar Techniques is better?), but since there is a shred chat, I thought that I it would be easier to just post it here instead of making a whole new thread.

Is this the "recommended" way of fingering this? Because I've got a problem, the first one is that the A keeps ringing after I start the scale. This might just be because it's a kinda big stretch when you proceed to roll you hand down the next part, or should I use my index in barre to dampen it?

Also, the D10, G9, ans B10 tend to run together, I use my ring finger on both of the 10-fretted notes.

[Freepower]

4 2 1 2 1 4 2 1 2 4
e|----------------8h12-------------------|
B|------------10--------10---------------|
G|---------9-----------------9-----------|
D|-----10----------------------10--------|
A|-12------------------------------12----|
E|---------------------------------------|

I'd finger it like that. Less work between weaker fingers.

Is this the "recommended" way of fingering this? Because I've got a problem, the first one is that the A keeps ringing after I start the scale. This might just be because it's a kinda big stretch when you proceed to roll you hand down the next part, or should I use my index in barre to dampen it?

I'd guess its a 12th fret harmonic ringing on - you need to use your right hand to mute as you ascend and be very precise about finger movements. :)

[Penn100]

I'd finger it like that. Less work between weaker fingers.



I'd guess its a 12th fret harmonic ringing on - you need to use your right hand to mute as you ascend and be very precise about finger movements. :)
K, thanks. :cheers:

[TheShred201]

Just a note, Either fingering between what you posted or FP posted will work. Personally, I use your fingering for that shape.
As for the harmonics, also play with where in the space between frets your left hand actually frets the note and how you lift your finger, to try to avoid sounding/minimize the harmonics with your left hand in the first place.

[DaFjory]

Couldn't find a pick when I was sitting down last night. Didn't want to get up and start hunting, so what did I use instead?

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1844526/2/istockphoto_1844526-black-comb.jpg

Problem solved. I no keed.

[Nacho Cheese!]

I keep a pick through my strings. Like up at the fifth fret . I hope you know what I am talking about. I find it to be the best method.

[public property]

Couldn't find a pick when I was sitting down last night. Didn't want to get up and start hunting, so what did I use instead?

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1844526/2/istockphoto_1844526-black-comb.jpg

Problem solved. I no keed.

Do you pick with the whole length? you'd get like 30 pick strokes :p:

[Freepower]

I've finally figured out how to beat Francesco Fareri's top score -

Sweep THIS, bitch!

*comb sweep licks*

[DaFjory]

Do you pick with the whole length? you'd get like 30 pick strokes :p:

Naw, just the curved end - it works remarkably well in desperation. Nice broad chords.

[Godly Moose]

Listen boy
My first love story
My angel and my girls
My sunshine
Oh! Oh! Let's go!

[Alter-Bridge]

That was a very subtle bump.

Anyway guys, it was my birthday yesterday and I got a Schecter C-1 Classic. It's freaking amazing.

[Nacho Cheese!]

That was a very subtle bump.

Anyway guys, it was my birthday yesterday and I got a Schecter C-1 Classic. It's freaking amazing.

Happy B-Day. :)

[Freepower]

Just posting this here too because I know a lot of you are MTers as well - http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20156707#post20156707

Please vote and make yourself heard!