** The Random Shred Chat Thread **

[Axegrinder#9]

so the Shred forum seems to be housing insomniacs temporarily... nocturne, can't sleep myself either - woke up at around 3:30 in the morning and can't go back to sleep... it's already 5 in the morning now... it's guna be a lousy day....

[SnowballofDoom]

Originally posted by Freepower
Used to fluently. Forgot it since i havent used it since i was about 7. And I did spanish in school because i couldnt be arsed with the same old language all over again, lol.

Anyway, i'm going to say goodbye to all you SFers, im afraid i have to go away for a week to a camp in donegal. Only acoustic guitar, so i might come back with insane chops and finger strength. Or not, lol.

Me with insane chops is like a flying pig, lol.

So no posts from me and me infinite :rolleyes: wisdom, and no more new songs...for a week. Hehehehehe.

No! Who will protect us from countless NPS questions?! Who will supply us with witty yet relevant anecdotes?! Who will reassure us with his self depricating humor?!












Someone else...I guess...:(

[Shreddy]

Who will don(sp?) the mantle of NPS king now to protect this forum?

[kyle_afi]

Could someone tell me how to play the arps behind the sustained notes in SMS? I figured out a way to play it that doesn't require arps, but i figure since becker is a sweeping machine that he probably plays it that way.

Here's how I play it.

(tap the 14)
G-----5h9--5h9-14p9p5---|
D---7--------------------------|

[Axegrinder#9]

yea even I had trouble with that one since I generally tend to hook my thumb while playing sweeps - but from what I've heard, he used to stretch his pinky...

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Does anyone know of any website's that sell Steve Vai Tshirts? Or Satch and other Shred related Tshirts?

[Shreddy]

There is Vai's website, but it says nothing available at this time. So I dunno.

[SnowballofDoom]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr
Does anyone know of any website's that sell Steve Vai Tshirts? Or Satch and other Shred related Tshirts?

Some Satch shirts: http://www.fanfire.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/fanfire.woa/wa/artist?artistName=Joe+Satriani&categoryName=Featured%20Items&sourceCode=JSAWEB

Symphony X: http://symphonyx.com/wearables.html

Dream Theater: http://www.fanfire.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/fanfire.woa/wa/artist?artistName=Dream+Theater&sourceCode=DRAWEB

Racer X: http://racerxband.com/store.htm


I don't know of any one site that sells shred t-shirts, I just go to the individual band sites and hope there's a merchandise section. Vai's site usually has a lot of Vai shirts, but like Shreddy said, there's nothing available now.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Wow, thanks man! :cheers:

Dude, im so getting some Dream Theater boxers.

[Pitch_axis]

does anybody here ever take the pick and angle it on the edge of the pick and slide it upand down on the string at a spot thats in key so it sounds like tapping but its not just tapping with the pick, your also picking? Its almost like tremolo tapping, you can tap as fast as you can alternate pick, sounds pretty cool

[SnowballofDoom]

I think I know what you're talking about, like tapping with the edge of the pick? Joe Satriani does that in Satch Boogie and Surfing With The Alien, among other songs.

[vaishredder]

Just got Flying in A blue dream........kicks some major ass...one of his best imo.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Oh yes, FIABD is a superb record, but my all time favorite always has been The Extremist, unless he release's a new record, and im completly blown away by it, The Extremist will most likely stay number 1.

[SnowballofDoom]

^I've always liked The Extremist most too. War is one of my all time favorite songs. That record is Joe's best, in my opinion.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^:eek: No way man! War is my all time favorite Satch song too.
:cheers:

That record is full of great tunes.

[SnowballofDoom]

^That's awesome :cheers:

I don't know why, but it seems more aggressive than his songs usually are, and it has such an amazing feel...I don't know how to describe it, but it's just amazing.

[Shreddy]

I bought FIABD, but I really haven't listened to it much. I really don't know why, I burnt it onto my Xbox once I got it and left it in there and haven't touched my Xbox since, so it's still in there, I really should take it out...
But whatever, my favorites on the Extremist are Summer Song and Cryin', two freakin' great tunes. I don't own the album :( ,but I have the JS anthology and Time Machine, which have those songs on it, and my guitar teacher let me borrow the tab book for the Extremist.

[Axegrinder#9]

my favourite Satch tune would probably be Cool #9 closely followed by Flying in a Blue Dream... in that album I strangely dig one of his vocal tracks called Strange

[Axegrinder#9]

btw: there's this song called "Future Breeding Machine" by Meshuggah - there's an instrumental guitar mix of the song. in the song there are some very interesting solo sections, for example the part around 1:43, it sounds like the section is tapped but I'm not sure, maybe it's tapping with some very short delay - any eye openers as to what's going on during that time?

[pavan]

at the moment my fav satch tune is flying in a blue dream.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by SnowballofDoom
^That's awesome :cheers:

I don't know why, but it seems more aggressive than his songs usually are, and it has such an amazing feel...I don't know how to describe it, but it's just amazing.

Amazing fits the track perfectly.

[The UG Squirrel]

whos your favourite fusion shredder? (sorry if this has been done before) ill start by saying shawn lane

[Resiliance]

^Greg Howe.

[Stratwizard]

^Al DiMeola or Allan Holdsworth.

[Stratwizard]

Hey fellow shredheads!

Here's a shamless plug...

Check out my cover of Steve Vai's Liberty.

http://stratwizard.dmusic.com

[Axegrinder#9]

Originally posted by The UG Squirrel
whos your favourite fusion shredder? (sorry if this has been done before) ill start by saying shawn lane

difficult question to answer, but I'd probably go with Holdsworth or Frank Gambale

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Stratwizard
Hey fellow shredheads!

Here's a shamless plug...

Check out my cover of Steve Vai's Liberty.

http://stratwizard.dmusic.com
I really liked it. Your tone sounded almost exactly like Vai's. I've been working on this song some, how difficult do you think it is?

[Stratwizard]

There are some difficult licks that take time to learn, but as it is quite short it doesn't take a long time to memorize. I wouldn't say it's the easiest Vai song, but not too hard anyway. ;)

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by The UG Squirrel
whos your favourite fusion shredder? (sorry if this has been done before) ill start by saying shawn lane

Ive been listening to allot of Gambale latley, so Frank gets my vote.

Stratwiz, pure amazing my friend, pure amazing. Great playing, and even better tone. I guess it helps having a JEM:p:


I have a question myself on mr. Petrucci. Does anyone know what kind of pickups(if changed) he had in his RG's throughout the earlier years of Dream Theater? And what kind of acoustic did/does he use on tracks like The Silent Man ?

Thanks:cheers:

[Stratwizard]

According to ibanezregister.com they have DiMarzio Air Nortons in neck position and DiMarzio SFPs in bridge position.

[jasonbecker]

Originally posted by The UG Squirrel
whos your favourite fusion shredder? (sorry if this has been done before) ill start by saying shawn lane

Shawn Lane.

Being my favorite guitarist, I'd have to vote him in any category that he fits:p:

But second to that, I really enjoy Greg Howe's Fusion stuff, but his earlier stuff I just can't stand. His tone is too yucky.

[Resiliance]

^Liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar! :p:

[power freak]

Originally posted by Resiliance
^Liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar! :p:
I was waiting to see how long it would take for you to respond to that. :p:

I don't really need to say my favourite fusion player, but if you don't know me check the sig.

:cheers:

[Axegrinder#9]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr
And what kind of acoustic did/does he use on tracks like The Silent Man ?

well if the video is any indication, it lookes like he was using an Ovation acoustic - but during the live shows, for the acoustic parts, he switches to the Piezo on the bridge of his guitar.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^There's a video? Wow, where might I be able to see this?

Thanks for the help on John's stuff. I have no clue on what that Dimarzio SFP is, Ive never heard of it :eek: Unless it stands for something, then I might know.

[Stratwizard]

^I think he refers to John's Rock Discipline instructional video. In the end he shows his live set up and there is an Ovation acoustic.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Ah, well I dont own that :sad: I saw it in a local record store once, but it was $60! Isnt it around $40 online?

[Stratwizard]

I don't know. I borrowed the dvd from my friend... ;)

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Jesus, everyone borrows things from friends. None of my freinds care for shred :eek: Fucking turds.

[SnowballofDoom]

^Same here...:(

On the Rock Discipline DVD, the acoustic at the end is an Ibanez acoustic, not an Ovation.

I found Rock Discipline for $50, I guess it was worth it, but still...

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Man, I guess it just aint cheep. So, If I find it, is it a good learning dvd? I mean is it really worth all that cashola?(I know you said it was, more opions needed :) )

[Stratwizard]

At least, it helped me alot. He teaches alot of different things. Alternate picking, sweeping, how to build speed and so on.

[Resiliance]

I... Ahem... Illegally acquired it :p:


And in my opinion, it's ****. I wouldn't spend a dime on it.

It's all exercises.... I want to learn stuff, not get shown how to improve my technique!

I can send you the tabs in .pdf format if you want... Saves you the trouble of having to buy the vid to see him do the exercises...

[Stratwizard]

It was helpful, when I wanted to learn technique and it sure helped me alot.

You're right about that he just shows the exercises. That's a big downside on the dvd.

In the end, I think it's just about what you want from a instructional video, isn't it?

[jasonbecker]

I borrowed it from my friend....not only is it boring, but I learned nothing that I already knew.

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by Stratwizard
In the end, I think it's just about what you want from a instructional video, isn't it?


Yup, that's why I think it's important to not only say why you think it's good/bad, but also what he covers!

If someone like me read it was good, and went out to buy it because you liked it, he'd be terribly disappointed. And ripped off :p:

[Stratwizard]

^Exactly.

[jimisatchsrv]

Off topic, I'm trying to find a player that a guitarist reffered to me. He was saying that he plays an acoustic/electric guitar, and that he will run overdrive through it and blah blah blah. No it's not Eric Sardinas haha, but I'm guessing someone in here might be able to tell me who it was. POSSIBLY RESILIANCE because I think he runs his own Worlds Greatest Guitarists magazine...but anyway I'd like to check this guy out if anyone can help me.

ALSO I thought alot of you may be interested in this in case you didn't already know. At Best Buy today I came across a series of cd's called "25 Favorites" where they have like 25 Classical Favorites or 25 Guitar Favorites. Considering everyone here is pretty much fans of technical guitar and at least respect classical music I thought I would tell you guys, because the cd's are only 3 dollars. I picked up 25 Guitar Favorites today and it has everything from Paganini to Vivaldi to Bach to Torelli....25 songs overall of course. I also got the Classical version and Piano versions. Just a thought....

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by Resiliance


I can send you the tabs in .pdf format if you want... Saves you the trouble of having to buy the vid to see him do the exercises...

That would be most excellent if you could send em to me. You have MSN Messenger by chance or something?

Anyone know why jasonbecker is banned?

EDIT: Nvm, he most likely got banned for flamming up the Punk forum's. MOS just might get banned too. You know what this means guys, WAR. Shred vs Punk.:p: So far punk is beating us:(

[Resiliance]

^Check thy pm's.

[jimisatchsrv]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr

EDIT: Nvm, he most likely got banned for flamming up the Punk forum's. MOS just might get banned too. You know what this means guys, WAR. Shred vs Punk.:p: So far punk is beating us:(

Oh don't worry, anytime Punk gets an upper hand on us, they fall back down below with just one stroke of a power chord!!!

And Resi, did you have any information on my earlier post by any chance? Just wondering...:cheers:

[Resiliance]

^Nah, sorry m8, I never recommended anyone like that ;)

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
Oh don't worry, anytime Punk gets an upper hand on us, they fall back down below with just one stroke of a power chord!!!



Yeah! All they have is what, Powerchords? Pfft! We have Sweep Picking and Tapping. Uh, we win.:p:

Thanks again for the tabs Resi. :cheers:

[jimisatchsrv]

^^ That's okay, I'll just search the internet a little harder. It never fails to amaze me the number of great guitarists out there...

^ Well besides power chords, they also have an incredible ability to imitate the singing of a tone deaf 8 year old girl. And we also have whammy bars to play with!

[Resiliance]

^Tell me about it!

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
^ Well besides power chords, they also have an incredible ability to imitate the singing of a tone deaf 8 year old girl. And we also have whammy bars to play with!

Yes! They have there crappy high piched vocals, while we have no vocals(exluding some songs/records). No Vocals>Girly Voice.

[Resiliance]

Can we stop being childish smallminded idiots now?

Music is not a fucking competition.

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Resiliance

Music is not a fucking competition.
Hmm, I read that wrong with the emphisase on the wrong word, it made me read it twice... but I agreed after I read it right. Punk is crap, but let them live their won lives, it is fun hasling them though, isn't it? :cheers:

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

x2^Yeah, ok. I was just making a joke out of it anyways. Nothing is even really happening.

[jimisatchsrv]

Yeah I'm pretty sure we were just joking around. I always appreciate a good internet tough guy though...:rolleyes:

Anyway...how about the guys that play for late night talk show bands. Like Jay Leno and Letterman and what not. Are any of those guys shred players with cd's out? I know Kevin Eubanks from Leno is a pretty well known guitarist, but I believe he is more of a jazz player.

[Shreddy]

I've noticed them, they seem pretty good. My personal favorite TV gutiar player one would have to be the time I watched American Idol. That guitar player was really a steriotypical guitar player, long hair torn jeans and what not.

[SnowballofDoom]

The one time I watched Last Call with Carson Daly, his musical guest was Kaki King. I don't remember her actually shredding, but it was still pretty cool to see.

[Axegrinder#9]

****, never have fried chips and such after smoking up - ****s up your system

[Shreddy]

Playing a 1 1/2 soccer game with only 11 people on your team an hour after you finshed a 6 hour hike up and down a mountain really ****s up you system too.

[Resiliance]

^I've always said sports are no good for you :p:

[John Kimble]

Shredders recieve a racial bonus of +10 to NPS, punk players cannot compete with that.

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Resiliance
^I've always said sports are no good for you :p:
Sports are cool, other than baseball, football, and basketball. I don't think many shred listeners partake in sporsts though, just a theory.

[SnowballofDoom]

^Running around hitting things with bats or throwing balls all over the place has never been my idea of a good time. Maybe your theory is correct :p:

[Resiliance]

^Paul Gilbert sucks at ballgames ;)

And Vaishredder; if you read this... If you're going to talk shit about me... At least have the decency not to do it behind my back.

[SnowballofDoom]

Originally posted by Resiliance
^Paul Gilbert sucks at ballgames ;)


:haha

You mean professor Paul Gilbert, author of this book, of course

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1841191256.02.LZZZZZZZ

[jimisatchsrv]

Originally posted by Resiliance
And Vaishredder; if you read this... If you're going to talk shit about me... At least have the decency not to do it behind my back.

Yeah at least earlier when you called me a childish smallminded idiot, you did it outright. Although at the time that really did tick me off haha...:cheers:

And I think sports are a great thing. I can look at a guy like Mickey Mantle and be wowed as much as I can a guy like Satriani. But I was active in sports before guitar and all the way through high school. One thing I did notice:
After I started to really get into guitar, which ultimately opened my mind up to finding beauty in things such as poetry and overall songwriting, I found myself a much deeper person. I also found myself able to look at things in a much more practical way and just overall seem to be a smarter, more logical thinker now. That also improved my sports ability, as far as the mindset of things.

Ohhhhhh guitarrrrrrrr......is there anything it cant do?

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
^^ Yeah at least earlier when you called me a childish smallminded idiot, you did it outright. Although at the time that really did tick me off haha...:cheers:


Well... I didn't mean YOU as a person were a childish smallminded idiot.

Just your (and not just yours alone) behavior was, at the time.

There's a difference, you know ;)

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by Shreddy
Sports are cool, other than baseball, football, and basketball. I don't think many shred listeners partake in sporsts though, just a theory.

Ive been playing baseball and football basically my whole life.:) Just got back from a baseball game as a matter of fact, we won 4-2. Oh yes :headbang:

[Resiliance]

I hate baseball.

Its one of those american things I guess... I just think it's the most useless sport ever.

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^:eek: Useless? No way man! Maybe its a bit boring to watch for some people(not mwah), but playing it is the tits. Useless=Golf, Tennis, and Soccer. :p:

[Resiliance]

I can see the beauty in soccer (or, what people could possibly see as beauty -and its football, damn americans-) but I just don't see what charm you could possibly find in hitting a ball with a wood/metal rod, and then running after it.

And golf and tennis are boring too :p:

[SnowballofDoom]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr
^:eek: Useless? No way man! Maybe its a bit boring to watch for some people(not mwah), but playing it is the tits. Useless=Golf, Tennis, and Soccer. :p:

Female tennis, that's just frightening :(


Baseball's really boring for me to watch. The steroid scandal made it a bit more interesting though...


Now shuffleboard, that's a real sport.

[Shreddy]

! You called soccer boring you stinking pig eating arse from hell. Go die... Although my soccer team REALLY sucks... We haven't won a game yet. In fact, we haven't scored a goal, or gotten within 5 points of the other team. Let's see our scores...0-7, 0-8, 0-5...hmm, there's a pattern.
I don't like the whole American sports machoizm thing, since I'm pretty skinny, (150lb 6'0"). But whatever flotes American SUV driving fat arses boats. I'm so living in Germany when I can... Don't flame me please :)

[jimisatchsrv]

Alot of beauty has been taken away from baseball thanks to the steroid scandal. But there is beauty in some things in baseball, especially pitching. Which is a science itself, refer to Greg Maddux. He doesn't have any more velocity then the average college pitcher, yet turned out to be one of the greater pitchers the game has ever saw.

Boxing is full of beauty, but that could be a biased opinion haha.

But I read a great quote the other day, by some painter....basically it said with art, there is no cheating. It's either good or it isn't. How true is that? And yes, you can mention the likes of Ashlee Simpson, BUT there is art in that too, because somehow, the people behind the scenes are making that halfway decent......SOMEHOW.

[kyle_afi]

Golf isn't boring you bastards. I love golf. meh. You either love golf or hate it though...

[jimisatchsrv]

^ I love AND hate golf. I love it for about five shots, then start to get horribly frustrated and proceed to hit people with clubs, flip over carts, toss pin flags, and so on. Such a non relaxing sport for me........I'll take fishing over that anyyyyyyy day.

[Shreddy]

Golf...This weekend I'm caddying for my dad for 3 days in a tournament for a wopping *drum role* $100! I was like, wow, that's a lot for just cadying... I'm not being sarcastic. I'm kinda spoiled in some ways, not in others...

[spee]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
^ I love AND hate golf. I love it for about five shots, then start to get horribly frustrated and proceed to hit people with clubs, flip over carts, toss pin flags, and so on. Such a non relaxing sport for me........I'll take fishing over that anyyyyyyy day.

HAHAHA u sound exactly like me when it comes to golf.

Sports are a big part of my life, i play pretty well all major sports. But, as far as watching goes...ill stick to hockey thanks. :cheers:

Not that u care, but last tuesday was sickkkkk...RG 2550E AND male athlete award at graduation.:)

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Congrats on the 2550, and the award.

If I went to your school, or whatever, I would of so one that award. :headbang:

[jimisatchsrv]

haha, the last like 20 posts in here have been very "pit-esque". its become the random shred and sports chat thread.
while were on the topics of guitar playing, and sports. has anyone ever heard Bernie Williams album? He plays outfield for the New York Yankees, he has had quite a great career. Also I heard alot abou Barry Zitos guitar playing, the pitcher for the Oakland Athletics. They say he was born with perfect pitch and I believe both of his parents were classical composers or something like that, from what I heard he's a pretty great player.

[Shreddy]

:zzz: No one cares about baseaball, soccer is where it's at, and cross country running. We are really off topic (shred) and I think I started it... sorry?

[public property]

Now all we need is a penis post and you've got yourself a pit thread.....

[The UG Squirrel]

*waits for penis post*

[power freak]

Originally posted by public property
Now all we need is a penis post and you've got yourself a pit thread.....
:haha

Anyway: Mountain Biking > Any other sport known to man.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :p:

:cheers:

[Axegrinder#9]

Originally posted by Shreddy
Sports are cool, other than baseball, football, and basketball. I don't think many shred listeners partake in sporsts though, just a theory.

naaa I used to be pretty into Cricket throughout my middle school and early high-school - but then ditched it 'cos I couldn't go for the morning practices when I used to stay up all night playing guitar...

[MankiiKing]

My penis>yours


Why did this thread turn to this? :haha

Anyway, someone recommend me some Frank Zappa songs.
He sounds interesting, I have never heard any songs by him,
and its always cool to hear new stuff.
Thanks. :cheers:

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Ah em,

MY GUITAR WANTS TO KILL YOUR MAMA

Just get the Shut up and play yer Guitar record, and possibly Joe's Garage.

[power freak]

Originally posted by MankiiKing
Anyway, someone recommend me some Frank Zappa songs.
He sounds interesting, I have never heard any songs by him,
and its always cool to hear new stuff.
Thanks. :cheers:
Um.... Singing or not? Orchestral, Jazz or Rock?

:cheers:

[MankiiKing]

^Anything goes, really. :p:

[power freak]

Originally posted by MankiiKing
^Anything goes, really. :p:
Ok:

Singing:
-Cheepnis'
-Village From the Sun
-Montana
-Dirty Love
-Cosmik Debris
-Take your clothes off when you dance

"Jazz":
-Waka Jawaka
-Gumbo Variations
-The Grand Wazoo
-Eat That Question
-Son Of Mr. Green Genes
-Little Umbrellas
-Big Swifty

"Rock Orchestral":
-Echidna's Arf Of You (probably my favourite Zappa instrumental)
-Peaches En Regailia
-Cruisin' For Burgers
-Black Page
-Sofa

Guitar solos:
-Black Napkins
-Pink Napkins
-Watermelon's in the easter hay


That should keep you busy. lol. "Music is the best" Frank Zappa.


RIP :sad:


:cheers:

EDIT: These are my picks, they aren't nessecairly his most popular or famous.

[pavan]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
naaa I used to be pretty into Cricket throughout my middle school and early high-school - but then ditched it 'cos I couldn't go for the morning practices when I used to stay up all night playing guitar...

is the Aryan club still around in Cal? I used to play there.

I was a cricket addict.

[jimisatchsrv]

Pavan...you killed the thread........hahaha.

Ill try to get something going again. I read an interview with Allan Holdsworth asking him about his practice habits. He says he can only stand to sit and practice for 10-15 minutes at a time and then has to walk away from the guitar and go do something else. I have a hard time believing this. This may be his practice schedule now.....but theres no way he has done this his whole life and achieved that kind of profiency on guitar. He says now that he will not play for 3 weeks at a time just to come up with new ideas. I believe that, but theres no way he can see he's done this his whole career.....especially since I believe he is also a pretty accomplished violin player. BS, not BS, or half and half?

[power freak]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
Pavan...you killed the thread........hahaha.

Ill try to get something going again. I read an interview with Allan Holdsworth asking him about his practice habits. He says he can only stand to sit and practice for 10-15 minutes at a time and then has to walk away from the guitar and go do something else. I have a hard time believing this. This may be his practice schedule now.....but theres no way he has done this his whole life and achieved that kind of profiency on guitar. He says now that he will not play for 3 weeks at a time just to come up with new ideas. I believe that, but theres no way he can see he's done this his whole career.....especially since I believe he is also a pretty accomplished violin player. BS, not BS, or half and half?
I wouldn't say "accomplished" violin player. lol. He played it on one track and hasn't touched it since. lol.

As for his practise habit's I think they are true. He always says he never practises and lots of people who know him say a similar thing. He joined a band after he'd been playing 3 years, and most of that was beer drinking time!

But you should know Allan is the most modest person on earth, he really hate's his playing. He says "he sucks" all the time, and if you give him a compliment he swiftly swoops in and says "nah it was terrible" or something.

Strange guy "our Allan".

:cheers:

[jimisatchsrv]

^ Damn decieving pictures of him playing a violin.......

So it's safe to say that he posseses an incredible natural gift for music then...

[The UG Squirrel]

i think he shares that incredible gift with shawn lane, theyre both so musical, fast and goddamn modest. RIP lane

i also heard that shawn lane wrote mabels fatal fable. is this true?

[pavan]

aaah shawn lane.

[jimisatchsrv]

^ This is about the fourth time I've read about Mabels Fatal Fable in the last two days......I really have to get this song, because I dont think I know it. I probably do but can't put a name to it...

[The UG Squirrel]

i have it, the last 50 seconds ooze shawn lane

[DorkusMalorkus]

What is the greatest shred song out there?
A friend says that eruption is the greatest solo out there and I am pretty sure that there is better...so I thought, i'd go to the shred forum...

Thanks
:cheers:

[Beckerism]

Altitudes by Becker. My favorite atleast. :cheers:

[Dreadnought]

Jason Becker - Air is a personal favorite.

Just perfection, IMO.

[wil]

Id probably go for Concerto by Cacophony, parts of it sound like a happy Yngwie Malmsteen and the playing is absolutely flawless.

[Pitch_axis]

do straightened necks provide a cleaner tone than curved ones?

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by DorkusMalorkus
What is the greatest shred song out there?
A friend says that eruption is the greatest solo out there and I am pretty sure that there is better...so I thought, i'd go to the shred forum...

Thanks
:cheers:

Well, firstly, there is no greatest, only preferences...


But... It's a really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really hard question...


It changes everyday... Yesterday it was "Breathe" by Brett Garsed (shred for me, hush.), today I like Blurry Wet Letter by Joey Tafolla alot...

[Beckerism]

Who exactly is the headmod/admin on shredders unite?

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^This one dude, Im not sure on who he is though.

[pavan]

Originally posted by Beckerism
Altitudes by Becker. My favorite atleast. :cheers:


mine too

:cheers:

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Beckerism
Who exactly is the headmod/admin on shredders unite?
WyldeGibsonPlyer and his evil henchman kiddy. Seriously, it is.

[Freepower]

IM BACK!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA!

Wouldja believe it, cas left me to do an early slot in his story thread after i have specifically asked more than once to be left towards the end due to the fact i was away!

Anyway, i had a fantastic time, but i have no idea about the state of my (crap to begin with) chops.


EDIT - i keep using far too much force on bends and stuff due to having been playing solely on acoustics... And my sweeps have gone to ****, mostly. Better bends and vibrato, worse shred. Great trade, if you ask me, lol.

Now, to work on those sus4 sweeps..

Seriously, go learn sus2 and sus4 sweeps - they kick arse. Especially the C shape ones...

[Beckerism]

What do you guys think about alternate pickin on sweeps? I usually do econ. picking because it seems easier. I've heard that Marty alt. picks his sweeps. Is this true? Also, does alt. picking it give it a better/clearer sound?

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by Beckerism
What do you guys think about alternate pickin on sweeps? I usually do econ. picking because it seems easier. I've heard that Marty alt. picks his sweeps. Is this true? Also, does alt. picking it give it a better/clearer sound?

No, he mostly sweeps them just like anyone else...

I don't think it's worth it, but you should be able to do both anyway, imo.


And hello freepower, you irish bastard.

[Shreddy]

Welcome back Freepower, you should join the website in my sig if you haven't already, most people are there that go to the shred forum here.

[public property]

Originally posted by Freepower
Seriously, go learn sus2 and sus4 sweeps - they kick arse. Especially the C shape ones... [/B]
Yeah I know, their great for a wierd mystical sound and you can use them for pitch axis as well.

[Freepower]

Originally posted by Shreddy
Welcome back Freepower, you should join the website in my sig if you haven't already, most people are there that go to the shred forum here.

:confused:

So, its like...ANOTHER shred forum? But i dislike everybody here already, im settled in!

And besides, i wouldnt get along well in a dedicated shre forum. You misunderstand me. Im not interested in shred, im interested in playing guitar and music - the shred forum is where i can find stuff out other than the most basic **** in existance. :) ;) :cheers:

[Shreddy]

Meh, it's a pretty cool place IMO. You should take a look at least...

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

You really should check out that forum, I hear its preety nice. I wouldnt know though, Ive never been there.

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr
You really should check out that forum, I hear its preety nice. I wouldnt know though, Ive never been there.
:p:

Yah, freepower, join regardlessly.

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by WyldeGibsonPlyr
You really should check out that forum, I hear its preety nice. I wouldnt know though, Ive never been there.
???What???

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Ending my sarcasm now.

:p:

[Freepower]

You cant peer pressure me into anything, lol. I already had taken a look shreddy me lad - its just too shred for me, sorta.

I might, but im busy enough as it is, and pretty tired. I have to do some storywriting for the casualtymeister now....

[power freak]

Don't advertise another site on UG please.

:peace:

[Freepower]

Hey, if its in their sig, i dont mind. So keep it siggified, niggas.

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Freepower
Hey, if its in their sig, i dont mind. So keep it siggified, niggas.
I dunno about where you come from, but from where I come from if you call somewhat that, you get hurt...
Meh, what is there to talk about now then that's related to shred...

[power freak]

Originally posted by Freepower
Hey, if its in their sig, i dont mind.
But going "Hey join this site, the link is in my sig!" Is advertising no doubt about it.

There is no problem with you leaving a link in your sig, it's just asking UG members to join that is a :no:

:cheers:

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Shreddy
I dunno about where you come from, but from where I come from if you call somewhat that, you get hurt...
Meh, what is there to talk about now then that's related to shred...
Sorry about that! Wasn't thinking... :cheers: too busy playing my guitar....

[Freepower]

^ i come from nothern ireland. To see a black person is an exceptional occurance.

Round here, you just get hurt randomly.

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by Freepower

Round here, you just get hurt randomly.
:haha That made me laugh... Lol. Anyways, abou those sus2 and sus4, how do you play them?

[Freepower]

Depends, i like to roll for the C shape ones, if you dont know the theory to figure them out yourself from the maj and min C-shapes, quite frankly, you probably shouldnt be sweeping at all, no offense.

Anyway, just take the C shapes and swap the thirds. Good for learning to roll as part of an overall shape, but great for just the sound of them.

[Shreddy]

Actually, I was just trying to start a conversation... I admit that I could have easily figured them myself. But whatever, the boredom of summer is taking its toll, it's to rainy outside to do anything.

[Freepower]

^ lol, it would have been a pretty short conversation.

Whats everyones favourite sweep shapes?

[Resiliance]

The ones that fit in what I'm doing... duh :p:

[Dreadnought]

As I've showed Resiliance, I like this:


e|--------10-15p10----------10-15p10-13p10----|
B|-----13----------13----13----------------13-|
G|--12----------------12----------------------|

[The UG Squirrel]

i found this in the metal forum, what do you guys think of it?

http://www.spasticink.com/rj12tone.html

[DiGiTaLiS]

thats pretty cool squirrel kinda confusing but soudns interesting

[Resiliance]

^I knew that... It's nothing new.

[Resiliance]

And here's a Timmons vid for those interested.

http://www.zizzetope.it/andy_timmons_live_in_bauscialand.wmv

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by Resiliance
And here's a Timmons vid for those interested.

http://www.zizzetope.it/andy_timmons_live_in_bauscialand.wmv

Sounds neat. Havent heard of him before though.

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by Beckerism
Sounds neat. Havent heard of him before though.


...... And you call yourself a shredder :eek:

[Freepower]

Thanks for the vid mate, your taste never fails me.

:cheers:

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by Resiliance
...... And you call yourself a shredder :eek:


:eek:

[The UG Squirrel]

this thread stopped moving...again :eek:

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

It stopped moving? No way, its still beating me by a mile.

[Shreddy]

You must be going backwards then...

[Freepower]

^ for goodness sake, one sentance posts kill threads faster than aids kills a brothel.

Make conversation decent, or not at all.

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by Freepower
^ for goodness sake, one sentance posts kill threads faster than aids kills a brothel.

Make conversation decent, or not at all.

So you're in the brothel bizsnatch too hmm? :p: How old are all of you guys anyways?

16 here.

[public property]

Ok, what would you rather do, become sponsered by Ibanez or have no strings sex any time with anyone in the world, who if you want them to, will love you forever and ever and never complain when you sit playing in your room for 8 hours a day?

[Beckerism]

the later of course! :cheers:

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Originally posted by Beckerism
So you're in the brothel bizsnatch too hmm? :p: How old are all of you guys anyways?

16 here.

15, turning 16 in Oct.

[kingal]

18

[The UG Squirrel]

still 14. oooh yeah

[pavan]

18 (ancient by UG standards)
and nothing to do till aug 29 when my college starts

[SnowballofDoom]

Originally posted by Beckerism
So you're in the brothel bizsnatch too hmm? :p: How old are all of you guys anyways?

16 here.

I'll be 16 in October

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

^Haha, your 2 days older than me :(

[SnowballofDoom]

^Ha, cool

Yay October :cheers:

[Freepower]

Originally posted by public property
Ok, what would you rather do, become sponsered by Ibanez or have no strings sex any time with anyone in the world, who if you want them to, will love you forever and ever and never complain when you sit playing in your room for 8 hours a day?

I have the latter, except for the no strings sex. Which is a better arrangement anyway - if i was ibanez sponsored id probably have to learn to shred a little, lol. :D

And im 16, turning 17 august 22nd. I suppose that makes me old UG standards. Shocking.

[Shreddy]

15, going on 16 next Feb. 23, a long way away, but still forseeable. I'd also go with the later.

[jimisatchsrv]

19.........will be 20 on August 3rd. Looks like I'm the old man of the group!

[YouKnowYourRite]

14, 15 september 12th

[Shreddy]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
19.........will be 20 on August 3rd. Looks like I'm the old man of the group!
:eek: Have you retired yet?

[Axegrinder#9]

I am the crawling king snake... the snake is old... turning 20 this October, 27th (incidentally I share my birthday with the progenitor of shred - Nicolo Paganini)

I am the Lizard King... I can do anything...

[jimisatchsrv]

Originally posted by Shreddy
:eek: Have you retired yet?

Haha yep, now I just ride social security the rest of my life!

[public property]

oh, a cold blooded shredder :p:

[wil]

WTF? Im 21 and a half, i feel like an old man. I did take up the guitar unfeasibly late in life though and i reckon i can still teach you young whippersnappers some tricks old and new. Respect your elders...

[Freepower]

^ how unfeasably? I started at 15, just like Rusty Cooley. And though i doubt that i'll ever reach that technical standard, i dont see how starting late is that bad.

[Resiliance]

^Once you're past 12, it's pretty much the same when you start.

[power freak]

Originally posted by Freepower
^ how unfeasably? I started at 15, just like Rusty Cooley. And though i doubt that i'll ever reach that technical standard, i dont see how starting late is that bad.
Allan Holdsworth started when he was 18 when he started. That's regarded as "late" but he still will wipe the floor with most guys who have been playing since they were 5.


:cheers:

[Shreddy]

I "technically" started player when I was barely 14, but I played only for like 10-30 minutes the first year I played.

[jimisatchsrv]

I didn't start playing til I was halfway through my sophomore year in high school.......

Years is a terrible way to measure anything to do with a musical instrument......you measure things by hours

[Axegrinder#9]

no, neither years or hours - I believe it is simply a question of ability... some people are cut out for it, some aren't. there was a long drawn out debate on this in the Musicians Talk forum and I came to this conclusion... and I think it holds true

[Resiliance]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
I believe it is simply a question of ability... some people are cut out for it, some aren't.

I fiercely oppose that :p:

[Axegrinder#9]

heh well there are only two schools of thought on that :p

[Freepower]

^ nah, theres always a bunch of pussys with a compromise.

And i would certainly say that its hours.

Paganini, 15 hours a day.
Cooley, 7 hours a day.
Vai, used to be 7 hours a day.
Me, 2 hours a day.

^ spot the pattern?

Let me put it this way, there are a few people with genuine TALENT, Lane, Holdsworth. But most of us are born with the ability to practice and adapt.

Im the least "talented" guitarist i've ever met. But through just loving the instrument and playing loads, i've got so much better it fries my head just thinking about it.

Hours. Thats my vote.

[Shreddy]

Paganini practiced 15 hours a day? And I thought Vai practiced more like 12 hours a day, at least he said that in some interview.

[evac|DB]

How you practice is more important than how much you practice. Having a proper practice routine and schedule, setting goals etc. are stuff that will help you become better.

[public property]

Yeah vai played between 10 and 15 hours a day.
Oh yeah, do any of your guys suffer from fret buzz? I used to, then realised that basically I had my action too low. So thats for any dumb asses who didn't realise that. And if you say 'oh well i can't play as fast with a higher action' then I say, you should be playing at all if your sacrificing sound quality for speed.

[Axegrinder#9]

well then I will put forward my own case as an example to the discussion... listen to my stuff and then without searching for topics where I might have posted my practice schedules and workout routines, gauge the amount of time I practice guitar...

[Freepower]

Originally posted by Shreddy
Paganini practiced 15 hours a day? And I thought Vai practiced more like 12 hours a day, at least he said that in some interview.

Yes, once the greatest violinists of his era told him he knew everything they could teach, he just said "**** you, pwned biatches, im off to teach myself". And that he did. He practiced HARD for 15 hours a day. And it showed. Paganini pwns your guitar hero bitches. Did you know he took up guitar later in his life and went away for 6 years to master it as well? Got to say, with the finger strength and co-ordination he already had, added to HIS practice for 6 years, id have to say, if we could have seen him we'd think nothing of Cooley. Cooley has a family, website, and recording. Paganini = hardcore.

And just to depress you all, he was SIXTEEN when he wrote the caprices. [/loving tone] Bastard [/loving tone].

^ i got that Vai thing from an interview i saw of his...:confused:. Maybe he meant actual technique practice? Anyway, im not exactly a Vai authority, ignore that, but get the point.

Public property, malmsteen has a pretty high action, as i recall...doesnt do him harm.

EDIT -
Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
well then I will put forward my own case as an example to the discussion... listen to my stuff and then without searching for topics where I might have posted my practice schedules and workout routines, gauge the amount of time I practice guitar...

Between 45 mins and 1 and 1/2 hours, on average, daily. Am i close?

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by Freepower


Public property, malmsteen has a pretty high action, as i recall...doesnt do him harm.

But swedish donuts do. :p:


(jokin around, dont get butt hurt yngwie lovers) :cheers:

[Dreadnought]

Originally posted by jimisatchsrv
I didn't start playing til I was halfway through my sophomore year in high school.......

Years is a terrible way to measure anything to do with a musical instrument......you measure things by hours

Eh, I disagree with that. I've hardely EVER (if at all) 'practiced' more than an hour a day, and i've gone weeks without playing (more often it's a few days without playing). Yet, I'm pretty competent on the guitar.

Enough BS and beating around the bush: the only way to judge a guitarist is to listen to them play.

[Axegrinder#9]

wrong Freepower, I rarely practice on a daily basis, it's normally 2-3 times a week and I never extend beyond an hour - currently I haven't touched the guitar in week... I'm sure my playing skills however aren't concurrent with this sparse and meagre practice routine...

[WyldeGibsonPlyr]

Well um yeah, if were still talking on when we started playing the guitar, I started when I was 9 or so.

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
wrong Freepower, I rarely practice on a daily basis, it's normally 2-3 times a week and I never extend beyond an hour - currently I haven't touched the guitar in week... I'm sure my playing skills however aren't concurrent with this sparse and meagre practice routine...

But dont you agree that you would be better if you practiced 10 hours a day? And not by a small margin either. :)

[Freepower]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
I'm sure my playing skills however aren't concurrent with this sparse and meagre practice routine...

Well, YOU would be sure... :rolleyes:

They are perfectly concurrent, thats why i guessed a pretty short amount of practice time. Because your skills are concurrent to a short amount of conscious practice time.

[Axegrinder#9]

indeed the my argument has been validated in your own answer, "conscious practice time" - that in itself is the key.
I don't think the meagre practice routine which I have maintained otherwise would've have have been sufficient for me to reach a stage where I can execute 18-20 nps licks cleanly - and no not single not trem-picking ;)

[Freepower]

^ lol, yeh, but at the end of the day, the practice is the key, not the innate ability. In using my argument, to negate my argument, you prove your original point wrong.

And i can do 20nps licks cleanly now.




[/lie]

[Axegrinder#9]

lol!

and in using your argument, which proved my argument, and which you now say negated my original argument... (sheessh) what I meant to say was, that I find the entire concept of practicing 15 hours/day ridiculous...

remember something, the guys who had these crazy practice routines were paving the way for playing infused with the element of virtuosity... we now have half of the things already known to us. and to be perfectly honest, I have a hard time believing that half these guys invest more than a third of the ungodly number of hours, practicing

[public property]

When you see the greats pulling stuff outta there ass on stage that makes your hours of compisitional work sound like a childs rhyming book, you'll understand why they play for so long.

[Axegrinder#9]

but dude, you gotta understand something... mechanical playing ability will get you only so far... beyond that, when you talk of their compositional skills, it is the brain and thinking which kicks in... implementing stuff which they already know...

[Freepower]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
lol!

and in using your argument, which proved my argument, and which you now say negated my original argument... (sheessh) what I meant to say was, that I find the entire concept of practicing 15 hours/day ridiculous...

remember something, the guys who had these crazy practice routines were paving the way for playing infused with the element of virtuosity... we now have half of the things already known to us. and to be perfectly honest, I have a hard time believing that half these guys invest more than a third of the ungodly number of hours, practicing

Practicing that much was fine for paggy.

Well, cooley has practiced that much, look at his technique. And he has a lot more where that came from.

You have a point with the fact they dont practice like that all the time though - remember, theory and composition is usually included in that time.

As for paving the way, well, Paganini had people who paved the way for his playing. But he is still the undisputed no.1 violin virtuoso ever. If you PRACTICED 15 hours a day like he did, you could be that good. Its almost inconceivable how good he was. It was over a century before another violinist could play all the 24 caprices, let alone do the stuff he did for fun like detuning his violin and breaking strings while playing.

His technique was such people would literally faint or go mad watching him.

Thats what REAL 15 hour a day practice did for you. And he stopped practicing like that by around age 30. Imagine he continued? Imo, we'll probably never see another like him though.

Axey, you can play decently, and pretty fast, but could you WRITE a Vai or Satch song? Could you play a Cooley song? You know yourself you are light years behind those i just mentioned, so i dont see why you wouldnt want to bump up the practice to acheive that.




And on a completely different note - Originally posted by Firenze
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[Beckerism]

Where the **** did that quote come from? I'm going to go kick some ass. :mad:

[Axegrinder#9]

Originally posted by Freepower
Axey, you can play decently, and pretty fast, but could you WRITE a Vai or Satch song?

that's the point I'm trying to make, writing a song is beyond the realm of mechanical ability... that's why I still respect Jimmy Page - I mean any decent rock guitarist, let alone a shredder, would pwn him technically... but how many people can compose something like "The Rain Song"? or "Kashmir"?

see that is why Frank Zappa hired Steve Vai to play the "impossible guitar parts" in his compositions - he probably couldn't have played them, but he composed them all the same.

btw: I might just do a Cooley one of these days ;)

[Freepower]

^ you'd still need their technical prowess to write it, unless you can compose music in your head pretty well. Or on guitar pro, lol. And writing isnt beyond mechanical ability, imo, unless i've taken your point wrongly, elabourate a bit.

On a side note, nice to see the thread alive again.


And the quote came from here.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233668&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=6

Theres a bit of backstory, so if you want to read all about my fascinating life, there ya go.

[public property]

Thats why I think the solo to tender surrender is so popular, because its truly where the mind(or soul or whatever) and the fingers are one, I understand why vais such a down to earth guy, along with alot of shredders (and also why malmsteen is an ass sometimes) because I would feel amazing if I could create something like tender surrender or flying in a blue dream, its the secret, you've gotta love the music to be a great, no two ways about it.

[Freepower]

^ you can create something like that. Some of my music is like that for me. Granted, it might not sound like it after the recording, but hey.

[power freak]

Originally posted by Freepower
^ you'd still need their technical prowess to write it,
I disagree completely. I have come up with ideas and licks in my head that are far beyond my technical ability, I could transcribe them if I knew sheet music well enough but I could never play them.

[Resiliance]

^Exactly, all I do in guitar pro is write stuff that is beyond me :p:

[Axegrinder#9]

precisely what I was saying... that is why I cited Frank Zappa's example.

[Freepower]

Erm - Originally posted by Freepower
^ you'd still need their technical prowess to write it, unless you can compose music in your head pretty well. Or on guitar pro, lol. And writing isnt beyond mechanical ability, imo, unless i've taken your point wrongly, elabourate a bit.


So, we're agreed? Excuse my out of context opener.

[Axegrinder#9]

Agreed i' good faith.

[public property]

Originally posted by Resiliance
^Exactly, all I do in guitar pro is write stuff that is beyond me :p:

I'm not the only one! does anyone else do this?

[Freepower]

^ Nope. Lol, i do all my stuff from what i can play and what i can do in my head.

[evac|DB]

I don't like to restrict my writing according to my technical abilities. I usually write stuff that is beyond me and then start practicing it.

[wil]

Originally posted by Freepower
^ how unfeasably? I started at 15, just like Rusty Cooley. And though i doubt that i'll ever reach that technical standard, i dont see how starting late is that bad.

I was about eighteen and a half when i thought '**** this, im going to teach myself the guitar.' Ive never had any lessons, so three years of some pretty intense self teaching may leave me at a slight disadvantage to some of you young virtuousos.

[Freepower]

^ lol, wish i was a young virtuoso. Ah well! But 3 years of intense self teaching is pretty good. You probably pwn me. Even the fact you're on this forum probably proves that.

[wil]

who knows, and who really cares who pwns each other, i respect all musicians and i definitely dont buy into the whole, ' well, steve vai's pretty good but there's this really obscure guitarist with a really daft name on this backwater internet site- he doesnt WANT to be on a major record label you see- who absolutely OWNS Vai, his alt. picking and his legato are so sick and he plays an 11 string custom made guitar on which he can do a 7 ocatve sweep pattern that includes fingertapping! He hasnt really done any albums but theres a vidoe of him on this website playing some really insane shred pattern, he hits like, 64th notes at 190, and thats the slow middle eight of the piece!!!'



Just out of interest and i know to you guys he isnt even close to being a shredder, but i love Slash and again, while to you guys it probably doesnt even come close to BEING shred guitar, but on the double time outro to paradise city- its around 200bpm-he hits two chromatic runs over a few strings and the musical notation is like-
--------9---------- ------------9-------------
now i know theres probably some fancy name for this rhythmic value, but i dont know it, although its faster than thirty second notes right? If this is true then Slash is playing that fast at 200bpm- i know its legatoed but still...-any of you obsessive NPS calculators care to tell me how fast the guy is playing here?

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by wil
who knows, and who really cares who pwns each other, i respect all musicians and i definitely dont buy into the whole, ' well, steve vai's pretty good but there's this really obscure guitarist with a really daft name on this backwater internet site- he doesnt WANT to be on a major record label you see- who absolutely OWNS Vai, his alt. picking and his legato are so sick and he plays an 11 string custom made guitar on which he can do a 7 ocatve sweep pattern that includes fingertapping! He hasnt really done any albums but theres a vidoe of him on this website playing some really insane shred pattern, he hits like, 64th notes at 190, and thats the slow middle eight of the piece!!!'



...thats 50 notes per second. Video please.

[wil]

Irony? Sarcasm?
For people that listen to bands called Bumblefoot and albums called Alien Love Secrets etc, you guys dont really have much of a sense of humour do you?

[Resiliance]

^I do.



Butterflies and gasoline stations clean flies.

[wil]

I was being sarcastic about the amount of infuriatingly obscure guitarists some of you uys say are the best thing ever just becuase of some sic,keningly exhibitionist video of dubious quality on a website with an address 3000 characters long, thats all.

Is anyone going to answer my Slash question or are you boycotting it becuase Slash has sold overe 50 records and atcually writes and plays on S---O---N---G---S with lyrics.

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by wil
I was being sarcastic about the amount of infuriatingly obscure guitarists some of you uys say are the best thing ever just becuase of some sic,keningly exhibitionist video of dubious quality on a website with an address 3000 characters long, thats all.

Is anyone going to answer my Slash question or are you boycotting it becuase Slash has sold overe 50 records and atcually writes and plays on S---O---N---G---S with lyrics.

I missed the sarcasm while skimming, my bad.:p: And to your question, I dont know. We arent boycotting you, thats for sure. :bonk:

[pavan]

If I die tomorrow
I?d be allright
Because I believe
That after we?re gone
The spirit carries on

Safe in the light that surrounds me
Free of the fear and the pain
My questioning mind
Has helped me to find
The meaning in my life again
Victoria?s real
I finally feel
At peace with the girl in my dreams
And now that I?m here
It?s perfectly clear
I found out what all of this means

[kyle_afi]

The fastest Slash hits in the Paradise City outro is 16ths at about 200 bpm, which works out to 13-14 nps roughly.

[public property]

Its not as fast as you guys are making out, i've looked at the tab and its 18 notes a bar, because its a wierd polyrythmn of 9 notes over two beats. the 9 is over 8th notes. so its just faster than 16th notes. I haven't worked it out, but i think its about 14/15 nps?

[Freepower]

Originally posted by wil
I was being sarcastic about the amount of infuriatingly obscure guitarists some of you uys say are the best thing ever just becuase of some sic,keningly exhibitionist video of dubious quality on a website with an address 3000 characters long, thats all.

Is anyone going to answer my Slash question or are you boycotting it becuase Slash has sold overe 50 records and atcually writes and plays on S---O---N---G---S with lyrics.

^ I expected better of you. :(

Anyway.
Popularity =/= Goodness
Technical ability =/= Being crap
Popularity = Promotion + decent music.


Since when was the last time you heard anyone here say anyone was the best thing ever due to a vid?

And finally, whats with the last paragraph? "Hey, i like slash, and you all hate him because he's more popular than your guitar gods?"

Well, i got news for you sonny, I like Korn. They've sold 5 million more albums than slash on a quick google check. I dont care how sick his chromatic run is, just because hes technically good doesnt make him the best thing ever.

Are you going to boycott this response just because my band sell more and write less guitar widdly songs?



You may be older than me, but please grow up a little. :)

No hostility, just preachiness, k? :peace:

[public property]

I don't think your the kind of person he was aiming at, since your musical taste is a little more diverse than most, but he was being sarcrastic anyway so don't take it so seriously free powerplant.

[pavan]

yeah man freepowder just chill. maybe you need some coke.

[Freepower]

^ lol, you guys and your name abusing, you crack me up. :cheers: :haha

Thanks guys, maybe i do need to chill, i def didnt catch on to the sarcasm there, sorry.

Lack of sleep! [/lame excuse which is only a tiny part of the effects of cocaine]

[pavan]

for me its too much sleep. I sleep 12+ hours a day these days.
cocaine and nicotine dont affect me that much these days...... maybe i need to increase the intake and ruin my health...........

[Axegrinder#9]

I'm sick of these retards in the cover forums - there are like 5 Greenday covers posted every day - all of which suck, and yet the mods defend the threadstarters when people like me flame them...

then you have the newbie populace in the shred forum and everywhere for that matter... and these people who keep putting down shred...

UG's going to the dogs... **** 'em I say, join Shredders United

[public property]

Rain check, its always been this way.

[Freepower]

Originally posted by Axegrinder#9
I'm sick of these retards in the cover forums - there are like 5 Greenday covers posted every day - all of which suck, and yet the mods defend the threadstarters when people like me flame them...

then you have the newbie populace in the shred forum and everywhere for that matter... and these people who keep putting down shred...

UG's going to the dogs... **** 'em I say, join Shredders United

Whats the problem with newbs in the SF? Thats a good thing.

As for all those people who put down shred, there always has been, as public propertyis9/10thsofthelaw has pointed out. I still like UG, and i still dont really like shredders united. Why not unite HERE?

That said, is there a shred vids section of the forum? That'd e sweeeettt.

[public property]

ok, truce ;) And yeah, this place isn't that bad, only thing thats drawing me to the new forum is the vai only thread.

[pavan]

sweet site. but nothing can beat UG because of the variety of people that come here. Theres all kinds of people here (although the shred forum is dying a slow death). things were much brighter last year.

Originally posted byAxegrinder#9
hey ya retard juggalogreenday... I haven't even heard the song, but I'm guna flame you! vicious isn't it? YOU SUCK! Greenday covers?! again... that's like a flashing sign that you made a mistake picking up guitar...

EDIT: sorry my fault... should've listened to it first. here's what you do. quit playing and sell your guitar, and with the proceeds get someone to make you artificial balls and strap on a pair - judging by your "singing", you sound deprieved



:no:
that kid is probably contemplating suicide.

[Freepower]

^ lol, he wishes.

Axey, you ever wonder why noobs look down on shredders?

[public property]

because shredders are sitting in a chair doing chromatic scales? thus being lower than the newb?

[Axegrinder#9]

naa... it's just that we guys totally pwn them y'know... I mean we are a bunch of crazy axe slinging psychotic poets & philosophers who need that speed fix to keep them from going over the edge - now that is intense... I mean how many n00bs are guna put themselves in a class like that - they're guna crap in they're pants before they reach that edge... yea I've probably lost you guys..

PS: that definition is my individual take on shredders... :cool:

[Resiliance]

^Man, you've lost it.

Get your shit together.

[Dreadnought]

^^ lmao

[Shreddy]

I have to admit that you are acting a bit like me, which isn't always a good thing. It's all fun and games until one of the emo kids breaks a string from playing power chords to hard and the string hits them in the eye and blinds them. *Random sentance of the day*
You do need to get your **** together, and you're banned, not even I would do that...

[Resiliance]

Good riddance.

[Freepower]

Well, take the banning as a lesson, i guess.

*shrug*

[wil]

Originally posted by Freepower
^ I expected better of you. :(

Anyway.
Popularity =/= Goodness
Technical ability =/= Being crap
Popularity = Promotion + decent music.


Since when was the last time you heard anyone here say anyone was the best thing ever due to a vid?

And finally, whats with the last paragraph? "Hey, i like slash, and you all hate him because he's more popular than your guitar gods?"

Well, i got news for you sonny, I like Korn. They've sold 5 million more albums than slash on a quick google check. I dont care how sick his chromatic run is, just because hes technically good doesnt make him the best thing ever.

Are you going to boycott this response just because my band sell more and write less guitar widdly songs?



You may be older than me, but please grow up a little. :)

No hostility, just preachiness, k? :peace:

Korn havre sold more than Slash? Thats disgusting.
SLash isnt the best thing ever but dont tell me theres not an awful lot of people on here who dont instantly dimiss posts on 'lesser' shredders such as Slash with responses like ' Cooley owns Slash any day' or ' Shawn Lane could play Paradise City while he was still in his mothers womb' or ' Joe Stump can smoke any guitarist ever.'
I mean, a quick example, im not a giant Tremonti fan, but i quite like some of the new ALter Bridge stuff, when someone starts a post opn his guest lesson in Guitar One the repsonses were along the lines of;
' I havent heard anyhting notable guitar wise on any Tremonti album.'
' Wow, he can do six string sweeps. I can do those, Cooley caN do 8 string sweeps.'
' Tremonmti's alt. picking sucks.'

It's this koind of elitism i was highlighting, having just possibly dug my own grave by asking a question about Slash in the shred forum.

By the way, those who answered the question, 15/16 notes per second is probably about right, although thats pretty smart for Slash.

[Freepower]

When i was making fun of the six string sweeps, i was making fun of the guy posting, not mark.

And yeh, people look down on lesser shredders here, but to think thats only based on technique is silly. I prefer Cooley to Slash musically, not just technically. Same for lane.

[John Kimble]

Can you reccomend me some good cooley songs? Everything that ive seen him play sounds exactly the same, just complete wanking of his guitar.

Does he have any work that isnt just BLLEEEOOWW BLEEOOWW BLEEOOWWWW WEEE WEEEEE!!!!

[wil]

It is based on technique mate, be honest. eVEN if youre the excpetion to the rule, the majority of the people on here listen to and prattle on about these internet shredders so much is simply becuase of their speed and technical prowess, not their...ahem...songwriting capabilties. Guitarists like these fusion virtuosos exist mainly as exhibitionists, selling tuitional stuff and the odd CD as a testament to how fast they can play.
Speed Kills by Micheal Angelo makes my piss myself to watch and hell, ive even improved by learning from it, but i do i ever LISTEN to it? No chance.
I admire John Mcluahglin and Alan Holdsworth as virtuosos and thier technique astoinishes me, but do i like their songs?
MOst of the fusion stuff i hear is just horrible discords etc etc, impressive all the same, but not NICE to listen to.
Cooley and Stump, from what ive heard of them just sound like Malmsteen stuff played a bit quikcer- I know im probably opening a can of worms here- but thats all they are to me, if they bring out a tuitional DVD it might be useful, but their music is horrible and their style is not distinctive in the slightest.
Slash- and i might add, your friends Munky and Head from Korn- on the other hand have instantly recognisable sounds and styles, endlessly imitated etc etc, which is why to me, these guys are more virtuosos at their instruments.

[pavan]

you people have the audacity to come to a shred forum and diss shred.

see, if you dont like shred, its ok. not ok to say the same thing in every page. And you call yourself a considerate shredder.

go **** yourself.
Holdsworth is a beautiful guitarist. We love him here for his songs.

Edit : I think i saw John McLaughlin mentioned somewhere.Thats a holy name. Go listen to Shakti.

[Shreddy]

Does anyone else here notice all of the shredders being banned, I meen axey, vaishredder, jasonbecker, all for spamming... It's giving this forum a bad name, methinks.

[pavan]

shredders utd. still in its nascent stages, but worth it

[wil]

I do like shred mate, but im allowed to say what i dont likea rent i? I come up with a legitimate reason and you take it personally, come on then, name your favourite Holdsworth songs, or did you just read on here somewherre on one of the NPS obsessed sites that at one point he accidnetally hit 37 NPS and decide hes great?

I'll take a decent tune or riff opr speed anyday, I prefer players that tend to use a bit of emotion, giving their music character rather than seeing how many notes they can play.

You 'shredders' make me laugh becuase when a guitarist doesnt fill absolutley every bar with solid 32nd note runs, you call him/her sloppy.

You immature twats have got a lot to learn beofre you take the big steps from your bedroom to the outside world.

[evac|DB]

wil, I agree with you on some points. Michael Angelo's song writing isn't exactly the best around, but he has a few good tunes, like The Finish Line and 2x Again. Allan Holdsworth is not only technically good but he has written amazing songs, like my favourite Holdsworth tune Letters Of Marque. As far as I know, he's not famous because of his technical proficieny, he's famous because he has a unique style, much more distinguishable than Head's, Munky's or Slash's styles.

The discord you complain about tells me you don't really listen to a lot of jazz influenced music, and that's your loss. If you can't distinguish Cooley from Malmsteen you obviously haven't been listening much to either one, and that's also your loss. They both, Malmsteen in particular, has written a lot of good music, especially in his early years.

I do agree that all the NPS obsession is kind of silly, but if people get kicks from stuff like that, it's ok with me. My view on technique is that the faster I can play the less technical boundaries I have and the better I can express myself through my playing. The ability to play cleanly is important. Sure, it's ok to play a few sloppy notes every now and then, especially if you're playing live, but overall you should always play cleanly.

Don't call people immature twats, that makes you sound like one.

[pavan]

Originally posted by wil
I do like shred mate, but im allowed to say what i dont likea rent i? I come up with a legitimate reason and you take it personally, come on then, name your favourite Holdsworth songs, or did you just read on here somewherre on one of the NPS obsessed sites that at one point he accidnetally hit 37 NPS and decide hes great?

the 2nd one. You see, thats how we all rate guitarists here. Thats how we decide who is great. nps = greatness.
:rolleyes:



Originally posted by wil
I'll take a decent tune or riff opr speed anyday, I prefer players that tend to use a bit of emotion, giving their music character rather than seeing how many notes they can play.

i was actually expecting the word emotion to come up.

Originally posted by wil
You 'shredders' make me laugh becuase when a guitarist doesnt fill absolutley every bar with solid 32nd note runs, you call him/her sloppy. [/B]

yeah man, anyone who doesnt do that is sloppy.

Originally posted by wil

You immature twats have got a lot to learn beofre you take the big steps from your bedroom to the outside world. [/B]

Please enlighten me, oh you knowleadgeable one ! You are 20 or something, so that makes you mature already. And anyome whose opinion is different from yours is automatically immature. Please take my little hand and lead me outside my bedroom.... oh you great great saint.

And since your going to be my guru anyway, why dont you see if theres any emotion in the 1st three songs? (http://pavankk.dmusic.com) I played with a lot of emotion in dance with me, oh it made me cry so much.

[Freepower]

Originally posted by wil
I admire John Mcluahglin and Alan Holdsworth as virtuosos and thier technique astoinishes me, but do i like their songs?
MOst of the fusion stuff i hear is just horrible discords etc etc, impressive all the same, but not NICE to listen to.

Thats opinion, i dont like holdsworth for the same reason, but i can pick him from the crowd.

Cooley and Stump, from what ive heard of them just sound like Malmsteen stuff played a bit quikcer- I know im probably opening a can of worms here- but thats all they are to me, if they bring out a tuitional DVD it might be useful, but their music is horrible and their style is not distinctive in the slightest.

I disagree! I really like cooley - he DOES have a unique style, trust me. Chunky downtuned riffs, catchy licks, and shed madness in places.


It all sounds the same to you because you dont like it, but i assure you, most virtuosos have developed style along with their chops.

Including fareri, ****heads. :cheers:

[Beckerism]

Originally posted by pavan

I played with a lot of emotion in dance with me, oh it made me cry so much.

EMO FAG!2?!@LLOLOLlolsdf!


:p:

[Dreadnought]

Originally posted by Freepower
I disagree! I really like cooley - he DOES have a unique style, trust me. Chunky downtuned riffs, catchy licks, and shed madness in places.

:haha

Quick, everyone run to Home Depot, the Shed Madness sale is almost over!

:haha

[John Kimble]

Originally posted by wil
It is based on technique mate, be honest. eVEN if youre the excpetion to the rule, the majority of the people on here listen to and prattle on about these internet shredders so much is simply becuase of their speed and technical prowess, not their...ahem...songwriting capabilties. Guitarists like these fusion virtuosos exist mainly as exhibitionists, selling tuitional stuff and the odd CD as a testament to how fast they can play.
Speed Kills by Micheal Angelo makes my piss myself to watch and hell, ive even improved by learning from it, but i do i ever LISTEN to it? No chance.
I admire John Mcluahglin and Alan Holdsworth as virtuosos and thier technique astoinishes me, but do i like their songs?
MOst of the fusion stuff i hear is just horrible discords etc etc, impressive all the same, but not NICE to listen to.
Cooley and Stump, from what ive heard of them just sound like Malmsteen stuff played a bit quikcer- I know im probably opening a can of worms here- but thats all they are to me, if they bring out a tuitional DVD it might be useful, but their music is horrible and their style is not distinctive in the slightest.
Slash- and i might add, your friends Munky and Head from Korn- on the other hand have instantly recognisable sounds and styles, endlessly imitated etc etc, which is why to me, these guys are more virtuosos at their instruments.


The reason I listen to Vai is because of his amazing song writing abilities, same for Satriani and Dream Theater. Im not really a fan of the whole "hey look at me, I can play really really fast" thing, I enjoy shred because the SONGS are awesome.

Speak for yourself when you make broad statements like Holdsworths music is not "nice" to listen to. Take your head out of your ass.