Hardcore Dancing (and moshing) Origins

[Gymmeh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wPqaYnrPM4

Whatever.

[waldorphPRS41]

^Dang. They were just straight kicking her in the face. Judging by the fat black lead singer I'm guessing that was God Forbid.

[Girvo]

I'm not saying that at all. Most who claim "hardcore is dead" are usually just spouting off to hear themselves spout or to appear "cool" (it seems there's always some internerd "HC" kid trying to gain some i-net hc/punk credibility by parroting what he saw someone say on the "American Hardcore" DVD).

I've just run into too many people who claim to be into HC or claim to know what it is, and the first thing that falls out of their mouth is some nu-metal band or whatever is the popular w/ the Hot Topic crowd . . . Also . . . I can just see the music industry with it's "scorched earth" policy when it comes to subcultures, eyeing HC. I guess I really shouldn't worry too much since HC has many subgenres and tends to fracture into other subgenres . . .

When I first got into HC, I wanted to know any and everything about it - both past and present. If I wasn't reading some photocopied fanzine the way a religious fanatic reads a sacred text, I was reading the "Thank you" section on the back of an album cover to look for bands I'd not yet heard. I'd chop it up w/ band members and old-schoolers with questions (probably made them sick) about how it was. Perhaps I took HC too seriously. I'd think with all of the information available on the internet, there wouldn't be so much ignorance (as I've seen on non-HC themed messageboards - this one is an exception ) among those who are supposed to be into HC.

I nearly hit some idiot, who when I said I was into hardcore music, he went "Oh, like Slipknot?". Shoulda dropkicked him :P

[kaktusnpoop]

I nearly hit some idiot, who when I said I was into hardcore music, he went "Oh, like Slipknot?". Shoulda dropkicked him :P

dude i hate that ****, i remember this girl asked me what kind of music i was into, i said hardcore, she replies 'like norma jean??'

**** is ****ing stupid

[Guitarist132]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wPqaYnrPM4

Whatever.
Holy **** i saw her get kicked in the face but i wasnt expecting 9 guys to pile on a girl and start punching her in the face...






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYL-mQoLWSM&mode=related&search=
:haha :haha :haha :haha :haha
Oh shit

[waldorphPRS41]

Holy **** i saw her get kicked in the face but i wasnt expecting 9 guys to pile on a girl and start punching her in the face...






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYL-mQoLWSM&mode=related&search=
:haha :haha :haha :haha :haha
Oh shit
Hah I've seen that before. I love how the guy runs in so flamboyantly and then just slaps her.

[Disco Vietnam]

Violence in all cases is really lame. Just stick to stage diving.

[Sk8_4_liberty93]

i never new it started like that. i just thought some 80s hard core punks just started radomly flailing around one day when they got into a fight in the pit.

[Taylz24]

dude F*CK hardcore dancers, they seriously ruin the mosh. circle pits are alright aslong as its not fkn dickheads in the middle flailing their limbs, kicking in the air, or 2-stepping.
And as to those youtube vids with the kicking of the girl? wtf??

[suggy88]

I hate hardcore dancers so much, as far as im concerned their just pussies who can't take it in the mosh pit

[ShellBlast]

Hey I don't give a crap what anyone does.. As long as you don't stand there lifeless like a fruit cake. Yea and snuggy that was stupid. LZOL THEY R GAY THEY CANT HANDLE THE PIT. Oh yea sorry I forgot you are suppose to kill eachother off before the song is over. Why does everyone act like you are suppose to hurt one another?

[likeomgtehtuck!]

^No idea. I hate all those Nascar moshers. ****ing jokes.

[acidhammerdrums]

If the kids want to dance, let them dance. I mosh and I dance sometimes, depending on what the crowd is feeling. Although I know/admit I look like a jackass doing the hardcore dance. But I like getting into the energy of the shows, and its more fun to get along with the people at the show than to try and break up whatever thing they're doing cause you think the other one is better.

I do respect the hardcore dance as something that sets shows apart. People only do it for certain music. Moshing on the other hand is too prolific. You know moshing is mainstream when you get the bros moshing at an Electric Six show.

[TDKshorty]

Bob ****ing Saget! this thread is old

[guitarwannabe16]

Hey I don't give a crap what anyone does.. As long as you don't stand there lifeless like a fruit cake. Yea and snuggy that was stupid. LZOL THEY R GAY THEY CANT HANDLE THE PIT. Oh yea sorry I forgot you are suppose to kill eachother off before the song is over. Why does everyone act like you are suppose to hurt one another?

Whats wrong with just standing and enjoying the band?

[hxcrulezd00d]

i love hxc dancing woooo **** me

[The Dead Walk]

Whats wrong with just standing and enjoying the band?
My question exactly. I used to dance alot but it's getting rediculous now. Most dancers are just trying to hurt people in the pit.. and the rest of the crowd too.

[kurtrip]

"stage dives makes me feel more alive" - you all know where this is from dont you;) [at least i hope]

i think a 'normal' pit is always fun & just go crazy have fun, run around like a freak and if you fall you'll be picked up (unity!), ok so you'll be hit a few times i can deal with it cuz it isnt on purpose
(like in American Hardcore they're goin crazy, but not hurtin' eachother on purpose, i think)

i went to a show in belgium once wich was with hc and mosh bands and during the mosh bands everyone was goin crazy in a violent way that was kinda stupid.. all hitting eachother on purpose is just stupid

i dont like the windmilling & headwalks (tough fun to watch on youtube:P) or suckerpunching > cuz that is to violent..

[thera_x]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUnGNeA-yA

****ing oldschool

[andyq777]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUnGNeA-yA

****ing oldschool

beautiful

[likeomgtehtuck!]

^^That is sick.[QUOTE]

[Teh Forest King]

Personally, I think Hardcore dancing looks like a caveman's misinterpretation of a waltz.

Anyways, I went to a school run gig where my friends thrash/old school hardcore band played. And a bunch of kids were "moshing"...and they looked like ****in idiots...

First off, theyre in a school..and you just look like a fool. Second, they were doing the modern **** interpretation of moshing, closed fists, swinging punches and kicks....trying to hurt each other...its retarded.

One of the kids went to this hardcore gig back a couple months ago and now he thinks hes the king of moshing and the others havent even been to real shows. They just go into pits and dont help each other up and it turns into a free for all instead of a whole collective energy. Instead of a guy helping the dude who gets knocked down back up, hes driving his boot into his face...****in retarded


Just my two cents.

[recklessnick]

Whats wrong with just standing and enjoying the band?

i think moshing and dancing just makes the band feel more confident instead of looking down with people standing there, arms folded, looking up at you. kinda makes them know that you are enjoying yourselves i guess

[likeomgtehtuck!]

I think that may be the first post of yours that wasn't completely moronic

[btbammaniac247]

hehe.

i personally like it when ppl are hardcore dancing when we play too, but i at least like some ppl watching...

the last show we did, everyone watched.

(new viewers)

and i see it as my first impression on the dudes out there.
:)

[theshroomman]

That's because hardcore kids sometimes do it at metal shows.

Example: There was a thread about kids dancing during a Cryptopsy set. Honestly...Cryptopsy? What the shit?
i agree, what the ****

[Jmac5]

Hardcore Dancing is so lame and stupid.

[recklessnick]

im okay with anything as long as they are not trying to hurt people. we're all to enjoy

[Rockin Rob]

Stigma didn't invent the word "moshing".

I was AF roadie in 86 and we rolled up on some weird venue we were playing in South Carolina with COC or something like that and they had "Tonite-Moshing" up on the theater marquee and Stigma and Joe and I just looked at each and said "WTF is moshing?"

I think the term came from down south, everyone down there called slamming "Moshing" but Stigma certainly didn't invent the term, it sounds retarded.

[nicksallama]

hardcore dancing is sooooo gay... im sorry, but it is.

[Garden_Of_Light]

hardcore dancing is sooooo gay... im sorry, but it is.

get out, until you can give an intelligent criticism.

i guess you prefer pushing and running into people :rolleyes:

[recklessnick]

hardcore dancing is okay when the people know when to do it and how to do it right in a way that you are not just whacking the person next to you.

[likeomgtehtuck!]

get out, until you can give an intelligent criticism.

i guess you prefer pushing and running into people :rolleyes:

:p:

[RUN!]

I dont necssesarily hate hardcore dancing, i just htink it should be done at hardcore shows. i was at a ****ing NEW FOUD GLORY show and kids were kicking and the like. But then when me and my friends see this we always go and break it up.

[likeomgtehtuck!]

Fag

[Craigo]

Fag
Grow up.

[likeomgtehtuck!]

Okay sorry I think it's gay when kids try to break up dancing and ****. Just let people do what they want.

[Craigo]

Okay sorry I think it's gay when kids try to break up dancing and ****. Just let people do what they want.
Because kids swinging arms in the air is just silly really.

Try that in the UK, you'll be kicked off the floor and kids will try to keep you out of the pits for ruining a good show.

[shai_savant]

dancing sounds so wimpy.....it's mosh...hate mosh

[likeomgtehtuck!]

Because kids swinging arms in the air is just silly really.

Try that in the UK, you'll be kicked off the floor and kids will try to keep you out of the pits for ruining a good show.

Not in the U.S. :)

[Garden_Of_Light]

Because kids swinging arms in the air is just silly really.

Try that in the UK, you'll be kicked off the floor and kids will try to keep you out of the pits for ruining a good show.

no-ones ever kicked me or any of my mates off the floor.

[Craigo]

no-ones ever kicked me or any of my mates off the floor.
Probably because you go to ghey shows.

[leading_theway]

moshing=fun
circle pits=fun
dancing=fun
everything is fun when people know what they are doing, but when people go to hurt, no matter what it is, then i get pissed. If you dont like dancing, go to the mosh pit...if you dont like moshing, go to the dance pit...if you dont like either, stand in the back and cry.

[Garden_Of_Light]

Probably because you go to ghey shows.

only bands i've seen recently have been comeback kid, this is hell, agnostic front, hatebreed, gorilla biscuits, your demise and last witness.

awfully sorry if they are too ghey for you sunshine.

[PiNk_ThE_pUnK]

Probably because you go to ghey shows.

Haha, dude, this guy actually has some of the best taste on this forum and I'm guessing he's a fellow UK'er judging by the bands he always talks about and has been to see.

GardenofGrey (sorry I don't know your name man), where abouts are you in the UK (if indeed you are from here)?

[Craigo]

only bands i've seen recently have been comeback kid, this is hell, agnostic front, hatebreed, gorilla biscuits, your demise and last witness.

awfully sorry if they are too ghey for you sunshine.
Statement withdrawn.

[Job 4 a Cowboy]

yeah

in San Diego, no matter what show I go to, there are bound to be hardcore dancers. I've been dragged to ****ty ass shows by friends, like Anti-Flag and Alexisonfire, and people tried to hardcore dance there...

the only shows I can think of where nobody hardcore danced was at Amon Amarth and Himsa, and then Dimmu Borgir, Unearth and Kataklysm, those pits were fun as hell though

[Garden_Of_Light]

Haha, dude, this guy actually has some of the best taste on this forum and I'm guessing he's a fellow UK'er judging by the bands he always talks about and has been to see.

GardenofGrey (sorry I don't know your name man), where abouts are you in the UK (if indeed you are from here)?

I'm from London. I hadn't come on here looking for arguments, just stating that me and alot of my mates enjoy hardcore dancing, albeit only when it's accepted by the majority of the crowd and the music is suitable for it.

most gigs i go to the hardcore kids outnumber the kids trying to push pit.

[LeroyJankins]

i like both.. circle pits and "slam dancing"
i find them both fun and ****. and not the lame dancing scene kids do that like bubble moshing haha[where they dance in a bubble too look cool and dont hit anyone]

[LeroyJankins]

moshing=fun
circle pits=fun
dancing=fun
everything is fun when people know what they are doing, but when people go to hurt, no matter what it is, then i get pissed. If you dont like dancing, go to the mosh pit...if you dont like moshing, go to the dance pit...if you dont like either, stand in the back and cry.

true.

[!normajean!]

hardcore dancing is extremely fun. its just going crazy with your friends with loud music in the background. who doesnt want that???

if you think its stupid, then youve never even tried it before. which gives you NO room to talk. good day.

[Garden_Of_Light]

a gig my band played on friday night epitomised why i feel hardcore dancing is better than push pits. my band (not strictly hardcore, as there are metal and black metal parts, despite the breakdowns) had a pit full of dancers, all having a good time together.

the headline band (a local punky grungey band) had a massive push pit which caused several fights, one incuding a guy getting his face destroyed. and everyone just seemed genuinely angry and not enjoying it.

[Craigo]

hardcore dancing is extremely fun. its just going crazy with your friends with loud music in the background. who doesnt want that???

if you think its stupid, then youve never even tried it before. which gives you NO room to talk. good day.
I approve of no dancing what so ever - I just don't enjoy it. When I listen to the music I do, I want to move to it. It feels me with energy I want to take out with harmless aggression. I don't push, I don't kick. No-one in my area does. We all look out for each other and it's always tons of fun.

EDIT: In my area, the hardcore dancers tend to be the most dangerous and they get quickly kicked off.

[Craigo]

a gig my band played on friday night epitomised why i feel hardcore dancing is better than push pits. my band (not strictly hardcore, as there are metal and black metal parts, despite the breakdowns) had a pit full of dancers, all having a good time together.

the headline band (a local punky grungey band) had a massive push pit which caused several fights, one incuding a guy getting his face destroyed. and everyone just seemed genuinely angry and not enjoying it.
I can't really argue against that then. Supose my experiences are a lot different from yours.

Few people get very hurt in ours and done purposefully. Everyone looks out for everyone and if anyone did get quite hurt, everyone around them stops to check if they're okay, then we laugh it off.

[Slinov]

I approve of no dancing what so ever - I just don't enjoy it. When I listen to the music I do, I want to move to it. It feels me with energy I want to take out with harmless aggression. I don't push, I don't kick. No-one in my area does. We all look out for each other and it's always tons of fun.

EDIT: In my area, the hardcore dancers tend to be the most dangerous and they get quickly kicked off.


+1

i live near to craigo, and we know each other from school, the dancers in our area are complete idiots and just run in flailing and ruin a good push pit.
I was even punched in the elbow by one in a circle pit, and i had to sit out for a few minutes because i thought he had screwed my arm up.
I guess its just wether you get good or bad dancers, but in our area, they are, as craigo said, kicked out pretty quickly, or just told to stop.

[Craigo]

+1

i live near to craigo, and we know each other from school, the dancers in our area are complete idiots and just run in flailing and ruin a good push pit.
I was even punched in the elbow by one in a circle pit, and i had to sit out for a few minutes because i thought he had screwed my arm up.
I guess its just wether you get good or bad dancers, but in our area, they are, as craigo said, kicked out pretty quickly, or just told to stop.
Haha. Remember the odd pit we'd start in school?

Our lunchtimes were class, but nothing beat roaming around town straight after college :cool:

[Slinov]

Haha. Remember the odd pit we'd start in school?

Our lunchtimes were class, but nothing beat roaming around town straight after college :cool:


:haha remember careers day xD

Me: Craigo, i want a moshpit

Craigo : Eli! Think fast *pushes*

/pit happens

ahhh, the memories.

And you are right craig, college > school.

[dinosaurbrocore]

I went to a show in Jersey, and there was actually a seperate push pit and dancing pit, so everybody in the dancing pit stayed kind of away from one another, a few people hit each other, whatever... SOTU 2006, it was fun.

Local shows suck, cause fat wannabe hardcore kids try to stop circle pits, it's pretty gay, but it is fun to **** with them in retaliation.

[Craigo]

:haha remember careers day xD

Me: Craigo, i want a moshpit

Craigo : Eli! Think fast *pushes*

/pit happens

ahhh, the memories.

And you are right craig, college > school.
For that one, imagine 150 kids in our year in a tiny room waiting to go into a lecture hall :haha

[Smoke_Beer]

I went to a show in Jersey, and there was actually a seperate push pit and dancing pit, so everybody in the dancing pit stayed kind of away from one another, a few people hit each other, whatever... SOTU 2006, it was fun.

Local shows suck, cause fat wannabe hardcore kids try to stop circle pits, it's pretty gay, but it is fun to **** with them in retaliation.

I think local shows are usually better, everyone knows each other (if you've been part of the scene for a while) and no one tries to hurt anyone else. It's the bigger shows that draw all the retards. When I saw CC/Red Chord/Black Dahlia at Starland they pretty much ruined the pit. They didn't even dance at parts that made sense, just all the time.


With that said, I love dancing when it should be done (Breakdowns, 2-steping etc).

[IcePh0enix]

Ok, I have a couple n00by questions

1. What does straight edge mean?
2. What does 2 step mean?
3. Why do so many hardcore and metalcore bands have x's before and after their names
4. Is In Flames metalcore, deathcore, or melodic death metal?

These questions probably don't go here but I didn't want to make a thread for it.

[mr.joopy987]

Ok, I have a couple n00by questions

1. What does straight edge mean?
2. What does 2 step mean?
3. Why do so many hardcore and metalcore bands have x's before and after their names
4. Is In Flames metalcore, deathcore, or melodic death metal?

These questions probably don't go here but I didn't want to make a thread for it.
1. Don't drink, don't smoke, don't ****. It's more complicated than that, but it pretty much started with those three phrases.
2. Too hard to explain in words.
3. It usually means they are straight edge
4. Melodic death

[Scottzar]

I also heard that the origins of "mosh" came from the bassist of Bad Brains and his Jamaican accent, when he says "mash" in "mash down babylon." but no one knows fo sho.

[theaudtion]

cute story, but people were moshing and spitting on each other in the sex pistols days buddy

[theaudtion]

oh and not to mention during the ****en ramones days dumb ****ers

[rockthebox]

wow... that is some great information. thanks.

[crustyreed]

I only read the first page but in chicago at the DIY powerviolence shows we Circle pit

at the hardcore (chronic seizure, example) shows we do a side to side mosh
In the side to side you run back wall to wall running into each other and hitting the wall. Its hard to describe, i dont like it alot though. it's more orderly than a mosh pit where you push in all directions.

[likeomgtehtuck!]

Wall of death?

[mr synyster g]

i think moshing is great, but when these "skinheads' go to a show and jump a poor guy 5 on 1 just because he's not straight edge, they totally just deserve to die

[imgooley]

I'm just now getting into the local hardcore scene in the OC and i notice how stupid the fake ninja kicks and **** were. So in between sets, I moved to right in front of the stage and focused on the band. Mainly because I didn't want to get in a fight.

[Garden_Of_Light]

I'm just now getting into the local hardcore scene in the OC and i notice how stupid the fake ninja kicks and **** were. So in between sets, I moved to right in front of the stage and focused on the band. Mainly because I didn't want to get in a fight.

Why would you have got into a fight?

[LegsOnEarth]

Ive seen loads of kids dancing at shows not really knowing what they are doing, and getting kicked in the face really badly. Not nice.
But im not total anti-slamming guy, dont get me wrong.

[chris_122]

i think moshing is great, but when these "skinheads' go to a show and jump a poor guy 5 on 1 just because he's not straight edge, they totally just deserve to die
That's not a skinhead.

I don't see that as a reason why someone would start a fight with someone else. Except for the retards trying to look "cool" or "tough" in front of crew members.

[cblowrun]

I'm assuming this is also a good place to fill others about local forms of slamdancing. Here in North Alabama me and some friend do this thing called "The Alabama Shuffle" it where you dance like a hick and ****ing run into everyone in the pit and scream things out with a thick southern accent.

If you can come across the Chaos Kitchen episode with the Eyes of Hate, I'm on it doing the Alabama Shuffle.
ahahahaha one of my friends does sumthin like that, but your way sounds better. xD

[meh17]

Skanking > ____ dancing

[zalak]

I might as well get flamed for this, but I find hardcore dancing fun, and it relieves stress and anger, but that's just me.

You guys may bash it all you want, but if someone enjoys something let them do it.

[sk8_punk_Trev]

it should just be two-stepping and circle pits. and of course crowd surfing, but that doesnt really have anything to do with the topic.

[Internal Chaos]

Two stepping is cool, I can't hardcore dance whatsoever though. Circle pits and walls of death are also fun, so is slamming.

Stage divers are cool, but it gets old after two or so bands of getting kicked in the face. It all depends on where you stand.

[mr.joopy987]

Two stepping is cool, I can't hardcore dance whatsoever though. Circle pits and walls of death are also fun, so is slamming.

Stage divers are cool, but it gets old after two or so bands of getting kicked in the face. It all depends on where you stand.
If people know how to stage dive, very little face kicking actually ensues

[likeomgtehtuck!]

Truth

[bunterrr]

now im not sure if this has been mentioned, because im not f**ked to read 17 pages on the topic of moshing, but i have another theory on the name mosh, which is spawned from shakespearean times to when people would go see the plays. for those who could afford it, they would buy seats, although most couldnt, so they had to view the 2 hour play standing up in what was called the mosh pit.

can anyone give me some feedback on this theory???

[Internal Chaos]

Well, this is what Wiki said, if it helps

Snorkly Tin Tong and H.R. (Paul Hudson) of the Washington, D.C. area band Bad Brains, regarded as a band that "put moshing on the map", were partly responsible for the coining the term. Due to their affected Jamaican-accented pronunciation of the word mash in their lyrics and stage banter, fans in D.C. heard this as mosh instead. During the emergence of the American hardcore scene, the dance was frequently spelled mash but pronounced mosh, as in the 1982 song "Total Mash" by the Washington D.C.-based hardcore group Scream. Later, the term began to appear in hardcore fanzines of the time with its current spelling. The Song was made more popular in the mainstream thanks to east coast thrash metal band Anthrax's song Caught in a Mosh

[blairbondy]

tooooo longg, i just dance

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

okay sorry if this has been asked, but what are the points of hardcore dancing? I'm just curious.

[andyq777]

okay sorry if this has been asked, but what are the points of hardcore dancing? I'm just curious.

what do you mean what are the points.

I guess just to have fun

[Garden_Of_Light]

okay sorry if this has been asked, but what are the points of hardcore dancing? I'm just curious.

What's the point of dancing to anything in any way?

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

what do you mean what are the points.

I guess just to have fun
I see. I've personally never cared for it, I'm just a mosh person, but I never really thought of why.

[VengeanceIsMine]

I like and respect true Hardcore Punk especially if it's Crust Punk but I can't stand all these Scene Kids who swing their limbs aimlessly at you for no actual purpose other than to be a nuisance. Seriously, if you feel the need to "dance" like this during a live show and bother everyone else around you then you're an asshole. It's especially annoying when you have to deal with these genetic failures at Metal shows. Fortunately a good old punch in the face solves the Pit Ninja problem at a Metal show. The only thing more annoying than the people who do this bullshit are the people who actually take pride in the fact that the move their arms and legs like a hapless idiot by calling themselves the "Slam King" or "2-Step Queen" or whatever other crap they can conjure up. These people deserve to be branded with hot irons in front of their children which I hope are never born.

I Have Spoken

[rdellis]

I don't like, kick or punch people, but I'll jump into the crowd on occasion (kind of like stage diving off the ground) or push people out of the way, of course doing the standard two step floorpunching thing. It's all controlled anger. I'm not there to hurt anyone, but if I do, I'll apologize.

[ceXhc]

Discarding all hardcore post the first decade as a continuation of thrash-metal is to stubbornly dwell in ignorance.

If you don't want to see people moshing, don't go to hardcore shows. Don't gimme the "but I want to enjoy the music without all the aggression around me." That's like saying people should sing about planting flowers because you want to enjoy the music without angry lyrics screamed at you. Get over it.

[Garden_Of_Light]

I like and respect true Hardcore Punk especially if it's Crust Punk but I can't stand all these Scene Kids who swing their limbs aimlessly at you for no actual purpose other than to be a nuisance. Seriously, if you feel the need to "dance" like this during a live show and bother everyone else around you then you're an asshole. It's especially annoying when you have to deal with these genetic failures at Metal shows. Fortunately a good old punch in the face solves the Pit Ninja problem at a Metal show. The only thing more annoying than the people who do this bullshit are the people who actually take pride in the fact that the move their arms and legs like a hapless idiot by calling themselves the "Slam King" or "2-Step Queen" or whatever other crap they can conjure up. These people deserve to be branded with hot irons in front of their children which I hope are never born.

I Have Spoken

You spoke rubbish though.

[ceXhc]

"C.E.B." by No Innocent Victim

Pressures to the left of you, hassles on the right.
Pushing on through the week with only one thing in sight:
The time for you and friends to let it all out.
No attitudes, just energy. You know what I'm talking about.

The floor is yours.

Rush the stage, pile on, grab the mic and sing along.
Only one rule, and I ask no more: leave all the footballs at the door.
This ain't about how hard you can hit or how many you knock out.
No attitudes, just energy. My friends know what I'm talking about.

The floor is yours.

I can't wait for the next show. I can't wait to play.
And I know all of you here, you all feel the same.

"I'm dancing 'cause it keeps me going."

[VengeanceIsMine]

Discarding all hardcore post the first decade as a continuation of thrash-metal is to stubbornly dwell in ignorance.

If you don't want to see people moshing, don't go to hardcore shows. Don't gimme the "but I want to enjoy the music without all the aggression around me." That's like saying people should sing about planting flowers because you want to enjoy the music without angry lyrics screamed at you. Get over it.
I go to Hardcore and Metal shows to enjoy the music if you want to swing your limbs without purpose go to a Dojo or get punched by me. I don't care about the lyrics if I like the band I'm listening to but I'm not going to let some asshole 13 year old swing his legs and arms at me for no purpose other than to fit in with his gay friends with tsunami hair and black nail polish.

[Garden_Of_Light]

I go to Hardcore and Metal shows to enjoy the music if you want to swing your limbs without purpose go to a Dojo or get punched by me. I don't care about the lyrics if I like the band I'm listening to but I'm not going to let some asshole 13 year old swing his legs and arms at me for no purpose other than to fit in with his gay friends with tsunami hair and black nail polish.

I don't know if it happens elsewhere, but I've never seen a kid with black nail polish at a hardcore show. Also they're not swinging their limbs AT you.

If you don't want to get burnt, get out the ****ing fire.

[andyq777]

i love dancing/moshing at shows. I feel like the bands would be a little disappointed if you didn't. Moshing is one way to show the band your into the music

[HarleyRowley]

I pretty much just have a good time. I'll mainly just mosh and slam dance then if a breakdown comes on i'll HxC dance.

[thisismymusic]

great thread
srsly


and i love dancing as much as the next guy
especially when you can just enjoy it
skanking especially

but i hate it when someone decides to just hit someone in the face and use hxc dancing as an excuse

accidents do happen thats just expected
but ive seen too many stupid people just prove stereotypes

[Garden_Of_Light]

It's ALL about stamping.

[magnuscaput11]

I love moshing and I've found a way to do it without really getting hurt. if you can find the edge of a mosh pit then you can just stand there and push people in. I know it's sissy moshing but if I got caught in the middle of a serious pit I'm pretty sure I could break a bone. I'm friends with alot of those guys who just like going to those shows to hit people and they show no mercy. which is why I'm a sissy mosher. and if you can't stand moshing then why would you even go to one of those types of shows. you can enjoy the same music from a cd and then you don't have to whine to us about how horrible thrash is! (this 'you' that I'm speaking to is in general by the way)

[Plarx]

i reckon...for the band....jumpin up and down and headbanging would be best....no band would want to see crazy peoeple attacking each other...
and it looks so awesome when stadiums jump up and down together

[Epigone]

i love dancing/moshing at shows. I feel like the bands would be a little disappointed if you didn't. Moshing is one way to show the band your into the music



First post guys :) ^Completley agree with you there.I'd also like to make it clear that I love so many different types of rock and metal,from old Zeppelin to Alice in Chains,to Slipknot,to Death,Melechesh and Nile.But some of my favorite music especially as of late is BTBAM and All Shall Perish.I love good musicianship and I love a good breakdown.And at shows the later almost always means there will be "air ninjas",which isn't really my style of moshing but if the dude is grooving to the music let him do it in his own way.I prefer to headbang like a retard and just generally get thrown around.Though me and some of my friends do from time to time like to break up a big group of "air ninjas" with a good old Lamb of God wall of death braveheart charge.To each their own I say. :D

[nudge]

This reminds me of a show i went to.
One of these "air ninjas" ran up behind a group of girls and started punching em in the back of the head. So me and my mates pushed him off them and he took a swing at me, so my mate knocked him out cold with one blow. and then the people around us in the mosh shook our hands!
But yeah i dont care if they want to act like that as long as they dont purposly hit the surrounding audience.

[technicolour]

i reckon...for the band....jumpin up and down and headbanging would be best....no band would want to see crazy peoeple attacking each other...
and it looks so awesome when stadiums jump up and down together

maybe if you're blink 182

[andyq777]

This reminds me of a show i went to.
One of these "air ninjas" ran up behind a group of girls and started punching em in the back of the head. So me and my mates pushed him off them and he took a swing at me, so my mate knocked him out cold with one blow. and then the people around us in the mosh shook our hands!
But yeah i dont care if they want to act like that as long as they purposly hit the sorrounding audience.


yeah apparently the cool thing to do now is actually try to hurt people

[nudge]

oops missed the "dont" in that last sentance

[shai_savant]

I go to Hardcore and Metal shows to enjoy the music if you want to swing your limbs without purpose go to a Dojo or get punched by me. I don't care about the lyrics if I like the band I'm listening to but I'm not going to let some asshole 13 year old swing his legs and arms at me for no purpose other than to fit in with his gay friends with tsunami hair and black nail polish.
how old are you? i'm assuming you're significantly older than 13. If you beat up a 13 year old at a show for moshing in a way that you do not approve of are you really that much better than he is? get over it.

[shai_savant]

double post

LINEAR MOSH

[nashawa]

I love moshing and I've found a way to do it without really getting hurt. if you can find the edge of a mosh pit then you can just stand there and push people in. I know it's sissy moshing but if I got caught in the middle of a serious pit I'm pretty sure I could break a bone. I'm friends with alot of those guys who just like going to those shows to hit people and they show no mercy. which is why I'm a sissy mosher. and if you can't stand moshing then why would you even go to one of those types of shows. you can enjoy the same music from a cd and then you don't have to whine to us about how horrible thrash is! (this 'you' that I'm speaking to is in general by the way)

pussy
lmao
just kidding
i do that too,
well, after like 3 hours of uninterrupted moshing when im dead tired and need a breather
then its back into the pit!

[AchillesCore]

Pits are fun. Not many ( i say not many because i no some stupid people do ) of the guys i know go to hardcore shows or mosh at them will intentionally hurt someone.

Lets hear some of your "local" pit moves/things. around here theres one recently with a band called The Panama Deception. Before a side to side part the singer says quietly "and they came moshing like lobsters" and everyone does the side to side like zoidburg from futurama.

[Internal Chaos]

:haha

I really wanna do the Panteradactyl, something Guy from The Red Chord says he makes the crowd do sometimes.

[AchillesCore]

mate i just got a very severe case of lols from your sig.

please explain the Panteradactyl?

[Internal Chaos]

Well, they get heaps of wiggers over there with bands like Suicide Silence, the kids with the flat rimmed hats looking gangsta, he tries to piss them off by acting like a bird when he's in the Southern US states, and gets a fair few people doing it too.

[AchillesCore]

sounds like fun.

I like SS though... well as much as you can like a band with an album that when played without pauses could be a 40 minute song.

[Internal Chaos]

I don't like them at all really, but I'll be seeing them with Parkway Drive and The Acacia Strain, should be a good show.

[AchillesCore]

Hell yes. Sweat fest.

ADTR?

[Internal Chaos]

Not THAT keen, I prefer other Post-Hardcore bands like Alesana and Escape The Fate, but they should be entertaining to say the least. Where abouts in Aus are you from? Going to that show?

[DrPants PhD]

I found an amazing picture of my friend moshing
http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v291/159/21/520145338/n520145338_1271503_8089.jpg

It makes me lol hard

[fetusface4]

I've never been a fan of the whole ninja HC dancing thing. I'll take a circle pit over that any day.

[devinpalacios]

I was at a show on the 31st, this fat ****k dressed like a tissue box was flailing around like he had NO idea how to do it.

I can stand the Hardcore dancing, it looks pretty fun, but only if they're good at it, like this dude dressed up like the Joker from the Dark Knight. That fool almost kicked me in the chest three times, but he was amazing with it.

*EDIT* Oh! I believe I just saw ADTR? Love them. I can play 1958 perfectly.

[anakbugisan]

MOSH:march of skin heads? wow,nice one...but how come indie kids use the term MOSH in their indie fest and indie gig..?goddamn nowadays kids doesn't know how to diffrentiate things.

HARDCORE DANCE IS THE BEST

[screechuzi]

I was at a show on the 31st, this fat ****k dressed like a tissue box was flailing around like he had NO idea how to do it.

I can stand the Hardcore dancing, it looks pretty fun, but only if they're good at it, like this dude dressed up like the Joker from the Dark Knight. That fool almost kicked me in the chest three times, but he was amazing with it.

*EDIT* Oh! I believe I just saw ADTR? Love them. I can play 1958 perfectly.

do It right? its ****ing failing your arms around like a duechebag, how can you get that wrong?

[alanaxxhxc]

I totally agree.

[ThisILove]

Mr. Bean is a avid hardcore dancer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBtTjFM7uGE

I couldn't stop laughing after I saw this

[BGSM]

i reckon...for the band....jumpin up and down and headbanging would be best....no band would want to see crazy peoeple attacking each other...
and it looks so awesome when stadiums jump up and down together

Actually, it's the other way around. If everyone is staying in the same spot, fists in the air and jumping, it's sick - but it's indefinitely better when there is also a hardcore pit at the front.

When I go to shows I usually stand at the edge of the pit. I don't hardcore dance myself, I think it looks kind of stupid, but each to their own. Also, there's only one guy I've seen that's intentionally hurt someone, and he was a ****ing tool. If people get knocked down in a mosh, a hardcore pit, even a circle pit people always give them a hand getting up.

Expression is expression - Old people express their love of classical by sitting in their chairs most likely staring at the conductors crotch (generalisation), where others can choose to hardcore dance.

[Internal Chaos]

Agreed ^

My new mosh list:

8th - Whitechapel and Psycroptic. I shall be body slamming. Hard
9th - Pergamum and Spread the Ashes. I believe some hardcore dancing is in order
15th - Bleeding Through, Between the Buried and Me, As Blood Runs Black. A mix of both probably, more likely screaming during Bleeding Through though
18th - Carpathian, Verse, Comeback Kid. Screaming for Verse and Carpathian, hardcore dancing for the rest
31st - The Red Shore and As Blood Runs Black. Mosh.

11th - Misery Signals. EVERYTHING.

These are a great few weeks coming up.

[BGSM]

****, that's gonna be insane. My next gig is the 10th seeing a great local hardcore band have their second show :haha

Going to be sick though, know the lyrics so hopefully I'll get a few mic grabs.

[AnkoGodwin]

I love 2 step, stage jumping & jump kicks stuff, but I never understood what is good in circle pits..

Can somebody explain me? :S

[Internal Chaos]

Circle pits are more fun that everything you said.

I got kicked so much when I was right up the front today. I got my Verse mic grabs, I don't care.

[Beanerofshred]

im not a big slam dancer

but i like to watch it :D

the acacia strain and a day to remember ...


good ass two step shows lmao


so much fun


but straight up moshing is just as fun.

[TheBabySnatcher]

im not a big slam dancer

but i like to watch it :D

the acacia strain and a day to remember ...


good ass two step shows lmao


so much fun


but straight up moshing is just as fun.

NEVER put The Acacia Strain and A Day to Remember in the same sentence..

[Internal Chaos]

Well, they played the same show.

I hate 2-steppers at deathcore shows. People were trying to in Suicide Silence. Idiots.

[AnkoGodwin]

I'm gonna see The Black Dahlia Murder, then Gojira and finally Cannibal Corpse.
How can I dance with this bands? O.o
Really, I dunno. I just know hardcore dancing...

[Internal Chaos]

Have you heard of body slamming?

Look up Cannibal Corpse on youtube and watch their live videos. Watch out for the people ramming into each other in the pits. That's what you do, if you hardcore dance you will honestly be beaten up for it. Hardcore dancing is fun and all that, but there is a time and a place, and a Cannibal Corpse concert is the worst possible place.

[AnkoGodwin]

Have you heard of body slamming?

Look up Cannibal Corpse on youtube and watch their live videos. Watch out for the people ramming into each other in the pits. That's what you do, if you hardcore dance you will honestly be beaten up for it. Hardcore dancing is fun and all that, but there is a time and a place, and a Cannibal Corpse concert is the worst possible place.


Yeah that's what I thought :D

But for The Black Dahlia Murder? I mean, they're related to the hardcore scene, but with all these blastbeats, It would not be easy to dance on it...
And for Gojira? It's way to heavy for body slamming :(

[Internal Chaos]

The opposite. The heavy stuff is what you slam to.

None of those bands are worth dancing too. For your own protection, either watch or slam. You won't get that many huge metal heads for TBDM or Gojira, but there are gonna be so many 6'4" skinhead 30 year old Cannibal Corpse fans. Just a heads up.

[convictionless]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.

[andyq777]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.
that's awesome dude

[Internal Chaos]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.
Hardcore dancing has been around for 30 years. You haven't.

Kindly retreat back to your WoW, thx

[chris_122]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.Go to a real Hardcore show and do that. Pretty sure you won't find any 14 year olds there to beat up.

[Beanerofshred]

NEVER put The Acacia Strain and A Day to Remember in the same sentence..


lmao you serious???

theyre close friends and the new a day to remember cd has guest vocals FROM this acacia strain

and last time i checked they have toured together a couple times


2 amazing bands

[AnkoGodwin]

lmao you serious???

theyre close friends and the new a day to remember cd has guest vocals FROM this acacia strain

and last time i checked they have toured together a couple times


2 amazing bands

Yeah... stop that elitism :(
Friendship isn't about musical genres...
Look for Marilyn Manson/Eminem...

[-x-ERic-x-]

As Defined from Schirmer Pronouncing Pocket Manual of Musical Terms (Fifth Edition) Edited by Theodore Baker: Pg 212 Slam dancing: A punk rock ritual, in which audience members dance in a spasmodic fashion, Slamming or running into each other for added effect. Also called a "moshing" ( a mosh pit being an area where this behavior can occur).

needs i say more

[Beanerofshred]

As Defined from Schirmer Pronouncing Pocket Manual of Musical Terms (Fifth Edition) Edited by Theodore Baker: Pg 212 Slam dancing: A punk rock ritual, in which audience members dance in a spasmodic fashion, Slamming or running into each other for added effect. Also called a "moshing" ( a mosh pit being an area where this behavior can occur).

needs i say more


^^^ what he said sounds good lmao

[IlikeTheSKA]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.
U aint hard.

[Internal Chaos]

he so is

[frog_friend]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you. You spelled muay thai wrong. Anyways I do agree with you though hardcore dancers do suck. When I was at summer slaughter last year there were a lot of them, and it was really annoying. Especially since one of the hardcore bands went on for to long, and cut into decapitateds stage time :(

[chris_122]

I've never heard of a Hardcore band playing for too long.

[Internal Chaos]

You spelled muay thai wrong. Anyways I do agree with you though hardcore dancers do suck. When I was at summer slaughter last year there were a lot of them, and it was really annoying. Especially since one of the hardcore bands went on for to long, and cut into decapitateds stage time :(
Which obviously reflects on the style of dancing, hey. You went to show that always has mostly deathcore bands on it, what did you expect?

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/davidworboys91/hxc.gif

[Hybrid_Xer0]

when those 14 year old kids get too close to me, i floor them, they ask for it everytime, plus no one is gonna tell me to stop, ive been in Maui Thai for 5 years. i hate Hardcore dancing or HxCing, its soo dumb in soo many aspects. i normally dont mess with them, and im trying to not be mean, but some of those kids get totally in your face while doing it and it pisses me and other people off, serisouly go in your corner and do it but dont come over to me and start doing it or else i will own you.
Yeah i know aye.
slam those cunts to the ground.
no good pussy 14 year olds
:mad:






:rolleyes:

[original=punk]

I've never heard of a Hardcore band playing for too long.

http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20020508.jpg

Obligatory Mitch Clem reference.

[leothefro]

Hardcore dancing is fun, guys.
don't see why everyone puts it down so much,
circle pits just seem stupid and neanderthal.
A bit of pushing is fun too, but loads of people, mostly metalheads, are being violent for the sake of violence. Silly greebs.

[TheBabySnatcher]

mostly metalheads, are being violent for the sake of violence. Silly greebs.

And Scene kids arn't?... :rolleyes:

[leothefro]

And Scene kids arn't?... :rolleyes:

No.

[charby19]

Scene kids are the most annoying things going.

[freddaahh]

Oh Lord, you're full of fail. In real pits with Metalheads, it's pushing, barging, tackling and running, all in the name of fun. It's those hardcore scene cretins who come in punching people.

[TheBabySnatcher]

STFU and GTFO Leo, you knob jockey. Scene kids are emos in disguise.

[Cory Smash]

I think both genres probably punch each other equally.

[freddaahh]

Bahahahaha! Good argument, man. really sticks to the point, and holds up well.

[TheBabySnatcher]

I think both genres probably punch each other equally.

Haha fail. Go hump a tree.

[freddaahh]

I think both genres probably punch each other equally.

Take a side, don't be indecisive, I want to start a war here.

[TheBabySnatcher]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/148/c142966image0qa8.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/148/c142966image0qa8.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/148/c142966image0qa8.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/148/c142966image0qa8.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/148/c142966image0qa8.jpg
Strong A7X top...

And a strong clock.

[freddaahh]

This is going to end badly.

*runs off to Metal Forum*

Cya naggaz.

[Cory Smash]

Ha. I've always thought someone would pull that pic up eventually. :P

I really can't defend myself, since I've never taken it down, but A7X hasn't been listened to by me in nearly four years.

And my side is to be indecisive. They both punch people and like violence. In fact, sometimes they go cross genre and punch each other.

[Internal Chaos]

Guys. Hardcore used violence first. They punched each other for no reason because that's just what you did back then. Metal heads get pissy because people hardcore dance at metal shows, a place where it doesn't belong.

END OF FUCKING STORY.

This isn't about who likes what music, or whatever. This is about fact, and you guys are fighting over something you both know nothing about.

[TheBabySnatcher]

They started it.

:(

[Cory Smash]

American Hardcore talks a lot about the violence of the old hardcore scene. In most cases, it's calmed down a lot.

[Internal Chaos]

You complain about scene kids, but every chance you get you go on about how much Emmure are musically talented and spam up the threads with personal insults. It's annoying.

[Internal Chaos]

American Hardcore talks a lot about the violence of the old hardcore scene. In most cases, it's calmed down a lot.
Yeah, explains the past tense in my post.

[leothefro]

There's very little punching in hardcore dancing, unless you're stupid enough to walk into someone windmilling. As at metal shows, not really much punching, but big sweaty men pushing eachother round as hard as possible, not nice mate, and not much point. Understandably, you could argue that hxc dancing is equally pointless but to me it seems less...caveman-like.
Just giving my opinion guys - and i'm sure you posess opposing ones, but i'll stick to two-stepping for now.

[Cory Smash]

Do people punch each other when they skank?

[Internal Chaos]

Is skanking that march thing they've always done? Because if so, they used to just punch people who were in the way.

[Beanerofshred]

if u ask me its just the evolution of music


remember moshing used to be noexistant...ppl used to actually DANCE to music (of course that was waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back when so bear with me)

than moshing started circulating and ppl just saw violence and stereotyped it yada yada yada

skanking
slamdancing
moshing
hardcore dancing

it all comes from the same raw form

and when something new comes out there will always be people that hate it, bash it, or totally love doing it

theres people taht believe moshing is pointless because some metalheads wanna bump into each other

and than theres ppl that think ppl who hardcore dance are just emo faggats that like to throw fists into the air at random

personally i dont care, if u wanna do what u want at a show to have fun go for it

what really turns me off is when ppl pick sides because some "muscle bound metalhead" gets pissed off because the "skinny emo faggat" is throwing fists in the wrong pit and fights break loose

its stupid

[cakeschmammert]

i just fight the metalheads that like to hairspin in the middle of the pit

[Beanerofshred]

o and another thing

i went to see necrophagist, beneath the massacre,dying fetus, and veil of maya

and all the "emo faggots" who were hardcore dancing for veil were getting slammed by all the bald muscle bound metal heads who just sat there and headbanged


rediculous much?

because if u ask me veil of maya played a better live set than most of the brootal ass bands there

[plague_runner]

hardcore dacing is lame and makes people look like stupid white boy wanna be ninjas.....if u do it at a real hardcore show fine...but stop doing in in "deathcore" shows in breakdowns...it looks stupid as hell...moshing is way cooler and is for "Metal" fans.
Ps.Deathcore is metal not hardcore.

[Hcmanu]

hardcore dacing is lame and makes people look like stupid white boy wanna be ninjas.....if u do it at a real hardcore show fine...but stop doing in in "deathcore" shows in breakdowns...it looks stupid as hell...moshing is way cooler and is for "Metal" fans.
Ps.Deathcore is metal not hardcore.
They still have those 'hardcore' breakdowns :p:

[Internal Chaos]

hardcore dacing is lame and makes people look like stupid white boy wanna be ninjas.....if u do it at a real hardcore show fine...but stop doing in in "deathcore" shows in breakdowns...it looks stupid as hell...moshing is way cooler and is for "Metal" fans.
Ps.Deathcore is metal not hardcore.
PS Deathcore is a fusion of death metal and hardcore.

Moshing IS hardcore dancing in hardcore. Body slamming is moshing in metal. There's just two different things for it.

Headbanging is lame, whats the purpose of banging your head in time to the music?

[JxD]

Moshing IS hardcore dancing in hardcore.

Untrue! When I see mosh at shows it's usually in the form of side-to-side, push-pits, pile-ons, and circle pits. Hardcore dancing is taboo where I come from.

[Internal Chaos]

Really? At hardcore shows, it's all we get. At metal shows, we get pushing, but a lot of hardcore dancing too.

:shrug: must depend on the area.

[KlamzXtreme]

well, I usually don't see hardcore dancers anymore at shows, even if the genre being played is far from hardcore sometimes ill hardcore dance just to piss people off. mostly I like watching the music moshing... mosh pits are more fun!

I remember at '08 Warped Tour for Bring Me The Horizon, I would always kick the hardcore dancers really hard when they came close to me and they would never know cuz they are so busy with their dances

[Hcmanu]

I mostly dont have problem whit anyone at shows. I dont hxc dance at metal shows.

If there is this classic 'pissed metalhead who dont like hardcore dancing' at an hardcore show. I just beat the **** out of him by hate moshing . You love X kind of music ? Then respect the ****ing scene and shut the hell up

[Internal Chaos]

I remember at '08 Warped Tour for Bring Me The Horizon, I would always kick the hardcore dancers really hard when they came close to me and they would never know cuz they are so busy with their dances
Awesome, shows how much tougher you are, hey?

[aggiefan33]

If there is this classic 'pissed metalhead who dont like hardcore dancing' at an hardcore show. I just beat the **** out of him by hate moshing . You love X kind of music ? Then respect the ****ing scene and shut the hell up
dear christ you're a douche.

[Hcmanu]

dear christ you're a douche.
im far from being a douche. I dont care if the guy dont like hardcore dancing but if he is in the center of the pit trying to stop people well you know what happen :p:

[Beanerofshred]

exactly my point from before


so much hate

[dabonehead182]

just finished reading american hardcore, and found bad brains originally came up with the word mosh but whenever they said it it sounded like Mash. I forgot where in the book it said it but i remember reading it.

[The_Kelaninator]

everyone seems to be hating on hardcore dancing a lot
in my scene (melbourne hardcore FTW), we call all hardcore dancing moshing
i dont go to many metal shows, but why cant people accept that everyone has fun in different ways
if you dont wanna get hit by someone hardcore dancing, then dont stand on the edge of the pit
of course theres assholes everywhere that try and hurt people, but in melbourne, when someone gets hit, they get up and dont take it to heart

we have lots of different types of dances done: two-steps, side to side (mostly before breakdowns), windmills, kicks, cartwheels, floorpunches/stomps (both the ones that are like punching the floor and the taking stuff off the shelf kind) and circle pits (but mostly only for big bands)
most people are nice and try not to hit people, but people on the edge of the pit know that accidents happen

to people saying they beat people up if they hardcore dance near you, or accidentally hit you, its an ACCIDENT (usually)
dont stand near the pit if you dont wanna get hit
everyone should just accept that other people have different ways of having fun, and even if you think its silly, you should just remember that they might think that what you do is silly too.

couldnt find many good videos that showed our pits but heres a short one by a local band
breakdown-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOVzHpNgtBg&feature=channel_page

[JxD]

Hardcore dancing is absolutely ridiculous. One day, when you're no longer a stupid teenager, you will realize this and feel foolish. I have no problem with side-to-side, circle pits, or pile-ons, it's the "dancing" itself.

[Beanerofshred]

Hardcore dancing is absolutely ridiculous. One day, when you're no longer a stupid teenager, you will realize this and feel foolish. I have no problem with side-to-side, circle pits, or pile-ons, it's the "dancing" itself.

and what if it goes the other way?

this "scen******ry" that everyone ahtes on so much is getting more and more popular everyday u might find mosh pits obsolete one day wo knows :) haha

**** changes

[pmeg568c]

couldnt find many good videos that showed our pits but heres a short one by a local band
breakdown-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOVzHpNgtBg&feature=channel_page

that was the weakest **** i've ever seen haha.

[IcePh0enix]

everyone seems to be hating on hardcore dancing a lot
in my scene (melbourne hardcore FTW), we call all hardcore dancing moshing
i dont go to many metal shows, but why cant people accept that everyone has fun in different ways
if you dont wanna get hit by someone hardcore dancing, then dont stand on the edge of the pit
of course theres assholes everywhere that try and hurt people, but in melbourne, when someone gets hit, they get up and dont take it to heart

we have lots of different types of dances done: two-steps, side to side (mostly before breakdowns), windmills, kicks, cartwheels, floorpunches/stomps (both the ones that are like punching the floor and the taking stuff off the shelf kind) and circle pits (but mostly only for big bands)
most people are nice and try not to hit people, but people on the edge of the pit know that accidents happen

to people saying they beat people up if they hardcore dance near you, or accidentally hit you, its an ACCIDENT (usually)
dont stand near the pit if you dont wanna get hit
everyone should just accept that other people have different ways of having fun, and even if you think its silly, you should just remember that they might think that what you do is silly too.

couldnt find many good videos that showed our pits but heres a short one by a local band
breakdown-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOVzHpNgtBg&feature=channel_page
Sometimes you can accidently get on the outer rims of the pit. In side to side or push pits, the worst that can happen is someone slams into you and you push them off. With hardcore dancing, you can actually hit them in the face and hurt them. Plus it looks really ****ing stupid and I don't see how it's any fun at all.

and what if it goes the other way?

this "scen******ry" that everyone ahtes on so much is getting more and more popular everyday u might find mosh pits obsolete one day wo knows :) haha

**** changes
No, hardcore dancing is probably going to fade away when most of the nu-metalcore/deathcore bands die out.

[The_Kelaninator]

Hardcore dancing is absolutely ridiculous. One day, when you're no longer a stupid teenager, you will realize this and feel foolish. I have no problem with side-to-side, circle pits, or pile-ons, it's the "dancing" itself.

bringing out the big guns eh? its not only teenagers who do it where i come from, theres people in their 20's and early 30's too.

maybe you should be a bit more open minded, and think that other people might think "normal" moshing is ridiculous, you dont have to like it, do it, or understand how people can like it, but you could at least respect that people enjoy doing it, no matter how dumb it may seem to you.

Sometimes you can accidently get on the outer rims of the pit. In side to side or push pits, the worst that can happen is someone slams into you and you push them off. With hardcore dancing, you can actually hit them in the face and hurt them. Plus it looks really ****ing stupid and I don't see how it's any fun at all.


No, hardcore dancing is probably going to fade away when most of the nu-metalcore/deathcore bands die out.


i dont know how you can accidentally get on the outer rims of the pit. at least all the local shows i go to , the room is hardly packed, and the pit is always in the same place, and people know to avoid it.
also (in melbourne anyway) theres only one guy that i see regularly that moshes near the outside of the pit, everyone else is in the middle.

and jumping up and down into people doesnt seem silly in the slightest? if you enjoy it, then you enjoy it. if you dont, theres no need to bash it

[JxD]

I feel bad that hardcore dancing is being perpetuated as a good thing in your scene. You have my remorse. I think moshing inevitably hurts people. You may not intend for it to happen, but when a room of kids are spin-kicking and wind-milling, someone is going to get hit at some point. I have been a part of the scene long enough to see this happen many times. Luckily for me, hardcore dancing isn't popular where I'm from.

[The_Kelaninator]

ive seen it happen a couple of times, but not that often.
at most its just a hit to the face, and you get over it pretty quick.
people try to stay away from eachother

of course, its inevitable that anytthing anyone does could end in injury, such as driving a car, getting drunk, whatever

if people think its fun, then why not do it?

[Beanerofshred]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanerofshred
and what if it goes the other way?

this "scen******ry" that everyone ahtes on so much is getting more and more popular everyday u might find mosh pits obsolete one day wo knows haha

**** changes


No, hardcore dancing is probably going to fade away when most of the nu-metalcore/deathcore bands die out.[/QUOTE]


Maybe so maybe not so

for all we know some crazy genre can root itself inside hardcore and take it from there further spreading hardcore dancing :P

[Harley Rowley]

I went to thrash and burn tour in hamburg the other day and was surprised to see how different everyone else moshed from me , I did all of the normal moves like windmilling, floorpunching, two stepping, etc and everyone else was doing weird like side steps, weird kicks, different two steps and instead of windmilling they all did some strange sort of open handed punch. I did it anyway and no one had anything to say but it was slightly weird.

[The_Kelaninator]

i reckon each place has its own variations, like even between melbourne and the mornington peninsula (where most of our hXc bands come from, melbourne has more metalcore), they mosh differently to us
but weve all started going to more shows together and its all interbreeding :haha

[12shinn21]

The Kelaninator, I'm not sure I understand the differences in mosh between the two areas. If you could please upload a video of you performing the two different mosh stlyes, I think myself, and all of the other people in the moshing thread, would be able to better understand.

[The_Kelaninator]

you just wanna see me moshing in my paddock by myself dont you >.>

[12shinn21]

Haha yeah pretty much...

[likeomgtehtuck!]

that would be so funny

[VoodooBilly]

I think this is one of those issues where everybody has their own feelings on the aesthetics of hardcore dancing, and those who enjoy it will continue to do it and those who don't will stay away. However, to suggest that hardcore dancing itself is responsible for people getting hurt is unfair. It is true that with any type of moshing or hardcore dancing, there is an element of physical risk, but that comes with the territory of music (speaking broadly of hardcore, metal, even rock) which draws a great deal of inspiration from aggression. I feel that the truth is, one will always find certain people who are either careless or looking to be confrontational, and it doesn't matter whether these people are hardcore dancing or in a more "traditional" moshpit, it is likely they will find a way to mess up someone's evening.

[to45t]

theres always that asshole who kicks you in the neck crowd surfing, and theres bound to be at least one guy whos waaaaay to fat to stay-dive yet does it anyway and bellyflops into an unsuspecting crowd. and then theres just scene kids who dont know how to stage dive properly, and kind just run off the stage or look like they got tripped by the guitarist or somethin

[Harley Rowley]

i just kind of keep my space in the pit and even though it's a bit packed i throw spin kicks anyway which most the time ends up with people getting hit, but i dont take it too seriously and neither do most the other people, im a pretty skinny guy anyway so i dont really hurt anyone.

[shai_savant]

theres always that asshole who kicks you in the neck crowd surfing, and theres bound to be at least one guy whos waaaaay to fat to stay-dive yet does it anyway and bellyflops into an unsuspecting crowd. and then theres just scene kids who dont know how to stage dive properly, and kind just run off the stage or look like they got tripped by the guitarist or somethin
i'm THAT fat kid some times

and although feet first dives look really cool i really hate being on the receiving end of them.

[Jamesus]

I think hardcore dancing is pretty cool, although I don't do it, since I play in a band. I love it when people hardcore dance when we play shows, it pumps you up so much more, and everybody gets so in to it, it's a weird since of unity with the crowd as a musician, if that makes any sense? I just loveeeeeee seeing the place blow up and move when I'm up there playing.

I don't see why anyone would hate on it. Do you guys know how boring shows would be if people didn't move around? People that wanna throw up getting hit, most of you seem to have good knowledge of shows, most of you are going to know where the pits are, what the dancers look like, and what to do when dancers come at you. You stick your arms out, to push them away. If they keep coming your way, throw out your foot, elbow, usually gives them the sign to not go your way. I admit, I get pretty pissed when I'm watching another band's set after we put our stuff up in the truck and I'm with my girlfriend when dancers come our way, but most know to stop, or respect me enough to stop when they get near, because of who I am.

Reminds me of a story, hahaha. I brought one of my friends on the football team to a show, he was a monster, I mean 6'7, about 250 pounds, pure muscle. You would look at him and want to go the other way. He was that big, seriously, modern day viking. Anyways, some kid kicks him from behind, so my friend pretty much slams the kid down, and that ended the pits in that part of the room. I love going to shows with my friends that are on roids.

[We'realltoBlame]

I'm fine with hxc dancing itself, it's just the people in my area that do are generally assholes. There's a couple who don't piss me off, but most do. They'll run at the crowd, try and cause trouble when a real mosh pit starts (throwing elbows and punches).Most times hxc dancers try to ruin a pit, they get pwnt by staff or the people in the pit. It's been banned from the local all ages venue, and a lot of the venues in town are banning it because of all the trouble. Most times hxc dancers try to ruin a pit, they get pwnt by staff or the people in the pit.

[alanaxxhxc]

NEVER put The Acacia Strain and A Day to Remember in the same sentence..

Hahahaha, agreed. :haha:

[boffen]

Almost every show I've been to (not many of the genre, core music isn't big atall in norway : /) there's been both, which I find just fine. I like doing both the "conventional" moshing and the "dancing". The thing about hxc-dancing is that you can actually move to the music, as opposed to moshing, where it's mostly chaos.

[ESPearl]

The thing about hxc-dancing is that you can actually move to the music, as opposed to moshing, where it's mostly chaos.

I mosh when I go to shows, I don't hardcore dance, but I also don't hate on it. All my friends who HxC dance say the same thing... it's to move to the music. I guess that's why it looks so crazy... it's considered crazy ****in' insane music, and I love it :D

[cakeschmammert]

Almost every show I've been to (not many of the genre, core music isn't big atall in norway : /) there's been both, which I find just fine. I like doing both the "conventional" moshing and the "dancing". The thing about hxc-dancing is that you can actually move to the music, as opposed to moshing, where it's mostly chaos.

go to some ****ing death is not glamorous shows
you're lucky to be in the same country as those dudes

[BGSM]

^ Agree. Isn't it compulsery to like Death Metal in Norway?

[boffen]

I like almost every kind of harder metal and hardcore, but all my friends are much more narrow. I never used myspace so I am hardly updated on shows, so the only shows I know about are either through my friends or if I see they've been put up at the larger venues. Going to uni this fall and that's in the city, so I'm looking forward to going to shows more often (currently: 3-4 a year and a fest(ival) or two)

[dr funkenstien]

amazing info ! i dont think people fully get how much 80's and 90's punk rock has fully moved and influened music and the way people enjoy it at shows and as far as the hole pit thing gose if you get hit suck it up ! its not about going to hurt some one or being a ninja its about letting lose and getting so wrapt up in it u just want to go nuts !

[Magero]

None of you guys have got a clue.
Seriously.
All of this "hardcore dancing" crap is now redundant.
At Have Heart, in the middle of the circle pit, there was a kid doing a rubix cube.
Victory has been achieved, everyone can go home.

[strachan34]

mosh doesnt actually have a meaning as such. it comes from the anthrax song caught in a mosh and the people who went to their gigs got the name moshers

[Internal Chaos]

People were pushing each other around at shows before Anthrax released that song.

[benx3000]

God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.


Goddammit i know. I mean like jumping around in the pit slamming against people is fun and its where i draw the line. I dont ****ing flail my limbs in every which way. One time at the warped tour a kd punched me in the throat. THE GODDAMN THROAT.

[DudeI'mOnAlesse]

The retarded wanna be ninja kids are ****ing annoying in my area, i cant even get into a good mosh pit at any local shows because the idiots who think their auditioning for a role in kung fu hustle take up the whole floor so they can spin kick and flail their arms in every damn direction. I was at a misery signals show havin fun moshin with a bunch of people, and then i get spin kicked in the head and. I have to get a damn surgery to fix my nose because some tool thinks its fun to play bruce lee at a metal show

[ratracekid111]

Im gonna put "its not called moshing. Its called SLAMDANCING" in my sig. Its sounds better and more accurate

[Girvo]

At Poison The Well, the pit was awesome. Want to know why? We were all going nuts, sure, but none of this KICK SOME BITCH IN THE FAAAAACE crap, just generally jumping around. A bit of pushing into each other, but everyone was smiling. If someone went down, every hand near him pulled him back up.

Oh, and I had about 4 guys randomly pick me up and try to throw me on stage :P

[Absinthe750mL]

pretty sure the word "mosh" came from "mash"

and btw, i agree: this ninja "hardcore dancing" shit needs to go. its so ****ing annoying when you are trying to mosh and cant because a bunch of teenyboppers are taking up the circle with their seizures. i definitely think its their lame excuse to get out of moshing in the first place...they cant hack it, so they pretend to be extreme by punching air. woopty doo. i dont get it cuz i go to metal shows to unleash my rage and part of that is beating the shit out of the people around me while im drunk on fury. ive almost had someone almost bite a piece out of my skull at a show one time. thats whats so great about moshing, is its thrill of danger. what the **** does this faux-jackie-chan shit do? it annoys ME to the point where i could take a chunk out of somebody's skull, whether theyre flailing noodle punches or not.

[BGSM]

^your the kind of dickhead people hate having at concerts

[ImSteve]

pretty sure the word "mosh" came from "mash"

and btw, i agree: this ninja "hardcore dancing" shit needs to go. its so ****ing annoying when you are trying to mosh and cant because a bunch of teenyboppers are taking up the circle with their seizures. i definitely think its their lame excuse to get out of moshing in the first place...they cant hack it, so they pretend to be extreme by punching air. woopty doo. i dont get it cuz i go to metal shows to unleash my rage and part of that is beating the shit out of the people around me while im drunk on fury. ive almost had someone almost bite a piece out of my skull at a show one time. thats whats so great about moshing, is its thrill of danger. what the **** does this faux-jackie-chan shit do? it annoys ME to the point where i could take a chunk out of somebody's skull, whether theyre flailing noodle punches or not.

If you're that upset about it, just mosh them. Either they'll stop or you'll get yours.