I need an in-depth explanation of why Jimi Hendrix is considered "THE Best"...

[Outside Octaves]

EDIT:

Ok, PEOPLE... PLEASE read my latter posts like at the bottom of page 4 and beyond it. I've made a rather LENGTHY piece on the bottom of page 4 (if your amount of posts per page is at the default level).

I've now WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY beyond gotten that there is no "best"... only that he was a heavy influence on guitar and music. PLEASE! NO MORE POSTS ABOUT HIM NOT BEING "THE BEST." I GET IT! :peace:

[SGeerdes2112]

I for one believe he is the greatest innovater of the electric guitar and the greatest guitarist to ever live. He was the first artists to ever make an electric guitar a beautifully sounding instrument. Before hendrix, the electric guitar always sounded angry.

I know thats not all of it, ill let other people explain the full effect of his influence, i dont feel like writing a book right now.

[seljer]

Who said he was THE best?

He was a great revolutionary guitarist that influenced many.

[Outside Octaves]

millions of people probably, but that's all I hear from other guitarist is how great he is, and from alot of them that he was THE best ever...

and as to influential:

Why?

I mean, my god, that woodstock performance, and the one vinal I heard was just pure **** to me... I mean talk about going WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overboard....

and beautifull? It sounds like noisy **** (this coming from a pantara/muse fan, LOL)...

[hippiemusic101]

i think he is known as the "best" because he started a whole new thing on the electric guitar

[Archaon]

Who said he was THE best?

He was a great revolutionary guitarist that influenced many.

Yea, my thoughts exactly. He's a great guitarist, revolutionized rock guitar, but does that make him the best? No.

You can't claim to be the best just because you created/revolutionized something. In this case, someone claiming someone else is best at something. He's a pretty sloppy player if you ask me. Still great, but there are 10 year olds that surpass him, and me for that matter.

[seljer]

I mean, my god, that woodstock performance, and the one vinal I heard was just pure **** to me... I mean talk about going WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overboard....

and beautifull? It sounds like noisy **** (this coming from a pantara/muse fan, LOL)...

You sure you just didn't only hear the star spangled banner part with collage of fuzzy guitar sounds?


http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=jimi+hendrix

[prsfloyd]

Like wow dude , I was sitting around just takin some bong rips and I was wonderin , like why does everone think Jimi hendrix (coughs, from taking massive bong hit) is the best guiuatr player that ever lived. Like why, his music just gives me a headache when I'm tryin to chill then I have to put on some (coughs ) Dead and like totally trip out , huhuhhuh(coughs).

[Outside Octaves]

well, the file on my hd (the woodstock performance) is titled "Star Spangled Banner, Purple Haze, Instrumental"..... and it is 13:42 min. long, so I figured that that was his proformance for that day...... let me guess, it was just the collage that I heard, and not the full thing?

[seljer]

no, there was plenty of more stuff at that concert


thats just a little part of it. He got kind of crazy with his fuzz, wah wah pedal, feedback.....:
The controversial nature of Hendrix's style is epitomized in the sentiments expressed about his renditions of the "Star Spangled Banner", a tune he played loudly and sharply accompanied by simulated sounds of war (machine guns, bombs and screams) from his guitar. His impressionistic renditions have been described by some as anti-American mockery and by others as a generation's statement on the unrest in U.S. society, oddly symbolic of the beauty, spontaneity, and tragedy that was endemic to Hendrix's life. When taken to task on the Dick Cavett Show on the "unorthodox" nature of his performance, Hendrix replied, "I thought it was beautiful."

its more of a statement than a song

[acdc101]

^X2 He played for about 2 hours at Woodstock, and it isn't his greatest performance ever (by no means), it is just the most famous. I actually liked the instrumental after Purple Haze in the woodstock performance though.

[Wannabehippie]

If you think Jimi Hendrix's music is just 'noise', i could call you a fag, but since i'm in a good mood, i'll politely suggest some songs, that aren't 'noise', and explain why he is so respected.

-Little Wing
-Who Knows
- Machine Gun
- Angel (Acoustic)
- Hear My Train a Comin (Acoustic) and the non-acoustic verison
- Voodoo Chile, NOT CHILD

As for why Jimi Hendrix is considered one of the best or the best guitarists, ever. This was because when his first album came out, it had sounds on it that no-one had ever heard before,there was even a label on it warning people not to correct the effects on it, incase it might be considered a defect, he was considered one of the first people to help create the genre 'metal' and also he influenced many Shred artists, Blues guitarists and many other. Also, for his time, he was one of the most technical guitar players of his era, considering he prettty much re-defined rock music in 4 years, i think he did a pretty good job.

He was extremely successful in Britain, because he was so different, British people back then, found it intrigueing to even have met a black person, nevermind Black and American. This was the pretty much the basis for his success in The UK. Apart from being incredibly talented.

[Outside Octaves]

^X2 He played for about 2 hours at Woodstock, and it isn't his greatest performance ever (by no means), it is just the most famous. I actually liked the instrumental after Purple Haze in the woodstock performance though.

That's the ONLY part I liked in the fuzz-fest... the only part that resembles music :D .

[Wannabehippie]

If its a fuzz fest, i'd like to see you try an emulate what he did that day. Using the same techniques...

[Outside Octaves]

can u get on msn so I can meet u for a moment? I got ur name on my buddy list.

And I'm sure it's hard dude, don't get me wrong... I just think he went a bit overboard on the effects and sfx for that part.... but that's just me.

I got to watch some of that video..... WOW, MUCH better IMHO.
I'll watch the rest tonight or whenever I get the chance to load it up, dialup over aohell ;).

[Wannabehippie]

Yeah ok, i'm always open for conversation, but msn is being homosexual. To be honest i'll probably delete u after a small conversation, so don't be offended :p

[sirpsycho85]

obviously everybody is entitled to their opinions, but to say ten year old surpass him is idiotic.

[Derigiberble]

your a christian

end of :)

[Outside Octaves]

your a christian

end of :)
Why do u say that?

[campincarl]

Still great, but there are 10 year olds that surpass him, and me for that matter.

Yeah because speed is all that counts, right? :rolleyes:

[Outside Octaves]

Well, let me put that in perspective for you, if you HAD to choose between the two, which would you choose:

1: someone playing quarter notes at 1 bpm?

or

2: someone playing 16th notes at 120 bpm?


But no, speed is not all that counts here... and I hope not for him as well :no: .

[big-red]

as said before the song was meant to show his distaste with the US at the time, thats why he scewed up the American anthem. To that idiot who said 10 year olds surpass hendrix...comon man are you stoned??Have you seen ANY of hendrix's performances?I suggest you do and edit your post.

[Jimi Feliciano]

OK if your really down with jesus and a(and no offence to any chirstains im am a chirstian )
a jesus freak then u wouldnt like any of the music to today you would only like the chirstian music and of course we can really know because everyone at woodstock was either stoned, drunk or both but personaly Jimi Hendrix's music inspires me to keep playing the guitar with the passion the i have for it.



And there u go the answer

[Jimi Feliciano]

Who you are thats says that a 10 can surpass him is idiotic rediculus and retarded
you have no respect for music and art for that matter you insucffincent lil
miget bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :no: :eek: :devil:

[Outside Octaves]

Why should I hate all music but christain music?

Yea, I'm down with Jesus... but that doesn't mean I can't listen to great music.

I should also mention that I don't pay attention to lyrics, as I can't ever understand them anyways... so what's the point if I can't understand them?!?... so that makes it a lot easier to listen to those groups ;) (the only lyrics I listen for would be satanic stuff like the mark of the beast, etc... (thus why that slipknot song is banned from my life, along with any other band that does something along those lines)...etc. :peace:

[Infinite-Reason]

You never know. There could be a kid out there that is just that good but no ones even heard of him. Maybe not as good as Hendrix but still, u never know

[vanstuben]

The greatest guitarist ever is only an opinion. There is no definitive best guitarist or best band for that matter. Its all just opinion. I personally think Hendrix was the best ever because I heard Little Wing and Castles Made of Sand. The intros to those two songs are beyond creative, creativity made him the best IMO.

[thehangouter]

Archaon you motherfuc.ker. Show me that kid and I will lick his tiny genitals or whatever if he can play little wing.

[Derigiberble]

Why do u say that?


its common knowledge that the average religious american/patriotic american can't stand Jimi Hendrix, a) becase hes black and b) because he performed an amazing version of star spangled banner that was too unoriginal.

[slash6464]

JIMI IS SOOOOO NOT THE BEST, although he certanly must eb repected, as he was teh first shreder and defiantly 1 of teh best ever. the guy was a genuis. but! listen to steve vai, frank gambale yngwei malmsteen or joe satriani and u'll see although hendrix was teh first, he is sooo not the best.

[Derigiberble]

JIMI IS SOOOOO NOT THE BEST, although he certanly must eb repected, as he was teh first shreder and defiantly 1 of teh best ever. the guy was a genuis. but! listen to steve vai, frank gambale yngwei malmsteen or joe satriani and u'll see although hendrix was teh first, he is sooo not the best.


what language was that supposed to be written in

i hate shredding, its just technical excercises put into songs. why?

[xX*Zeppelin*Xx]

Who said he was THE best?

He was a great revolutionary guitarist that influenced many.

Exactly. IMO, Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen were the most influential guitarists of all time. That does not mean i think they're the best - there are easily better guitarists alive than both today.

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JIMI IS SOOOOO NOT THE BEST, although he certanly must eb repected, as he was teh first shreder and defiantly 1 of teh best ever. the guy was a genuis. but! listen to steve vai, frank gambale yngwei malmsteen or joe satriani and u'll see although hendrix was teh first, he is sooo not the best.

What total faeces! :p: There are much better guitarists than all of those listed and, IMO, Jimi was much better than all of those.

[Rayo]

Don't forget, Hendrix died at a very early age, he didn't get much of a chance to show more stuff, like all these other "great guitarists". People say Jimmy Page, well he's been around as long eas Hendrix, except he's still alive, same with EVH, and others like Yngwie or Vai or Petrucci etc. have all been around longer than Jimi was, and imo Jimi accomplished a lot more than any of them.

[DevilMayCare]

For me, Hendrix just has something different in his music that I can't find elsewhere. Can't tell you what it is but there was just a certain fire about him that attracted people to him (in more ways than one I'm informed)

[telemaster1952]

Who said he was THE best?

He was a great revolutionary guitarist that influenced many.


seljer is right

he isnt the best there is always better.

he just was one to start the style and influenced many.......but thats it

[MeGaDeth2314]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is his incredible ability to play hard rhythm guitar parts and sing at the same time. It's a lot harder than he makes it look.

[DeSean]

Before hendrix, the electric guitar always sounded angry.
Sounds like someone has never heard of Chuck Berry

[Hanzi_G]

Who said he was THE best?

He was a great revolutionary guitarist that influenced many.

Exactly. I could name alot more classic rock/blues/jazz guitarist who were much better than Hendrix. But since the fact that he was one of the most popular, that shouldn't make him the best.

[enfilade]

jimi destroys, when he came along page, clapton, jeff beck, pete townsend all totally shat themselves, and went off to practice like ****.

he has more soul in his discarded toenails than all these flashy instrumental bores like vai and malmsteen, he could play jazz, funk, flamenco, heavy driving rock, and blues better than anyone, litterally anyone!

he wrote amazing songs, 3 landmark albums and a huge archive of other studio, live and jamming material in the short 4 years or so he had the chance to, making him among the most productive of artists.

whats most relevant to us is that he made rock music "rock", he made it heavy, added distortion, feedback etc ultimately shaping the future of rock &roll and raising the bar for guitar skills so high it fell off.

he could sing dance and play all at once and do it well, not to mention the explosive live show playing the guitar all over the place behind his head fretting with elbows, knees groin, etc setting it on fire, i know all gimmicks, but he was the first and only one to do them and u cant deny that would be a kick ass show!

[enfilade]

Exactly. I could name alot more classic rock/blues/jazz guitarist who were much better than Hendrix. But since the fact that he was one of the most popular, that shouldn't make him the best.

please name them, i could do with a laugh

[trey-col89]

I agree with the thread starter half heartedly. I agree that Hendrix isn't all he is cracked up to be. I have his Berkley DVD and the Woodstock DVD, and I dislike his performance on both of them. He's just too sloppy for my taste, I can barely comprehend what he is playing. That being said, I don't think he is terrible, and he was a great innovater and really brought distortion and overdrive into the main stream.

[Prophet of Page]

jimi destroys, when he came along page, clapton, jeff beck, pete townsend all totally shat themselves, and went off to practice like ****.

he has more soul in his discarded toenails than all these flashy instrumental bores like vai and malmsteen, he could play jazz, funk, flamenco, heavy driving rock, and blues better than anyone, litterally anyone!


A. No they didn't, Jeff Beck owns Hendrix technically, Clapton and Page were better than Hendrix at what they wanted to do, and Pete Townsend had little interest in lead work.

B. You cannot measure the level of "soul" an artist has. He couldn't play all of those genres better than anybody, he was a jack of all trades, not a master.

[jayr123guitar]

Jimi Hendrix's influence on music is in question by a Pantera fan?? nuff said

[JimmyStradlin33]

To the arguement of Hendrix's speed could be matched by a ten year old, Hendrix at the time was as quick as anyone else around in fact probably one of the quickest in the main stream. Also speed was not part of his style he was more interested in an emotive bend or slide than 30 notes a second speed. As far as him being the greatest goes, he was the biggest innovator the guitar has ever known, even to this day nearly 40 years since he was playing. His tone was incredible in my opinion and his soloing breathtaking. Even after the shred phase of the guitar his work is still regarded as some of the height of guitar playing. I know i get more praise from being able to play hey joe than from being able to play eruption. But above all his playing was so natural and so about feel that inspires me most. Yes it was sloppy yes it may have been out of key at the wrong time but it sounds good and that to me is the biggest reason why i count him as one of the greatest of all time.

[Smitherz]

His appeal is obviously directed at other people if you dont like it. but he is the greatest, no question.

[seljer]

A. No they didn't, Jeff Beck owns Hendrix technically, Clapton and Page were better than Hendrix at what they wanted to do, and Pete Townsend had little interest in lead work.

B. You cannot measure the level of "soul" an artist has. He couldn't play all of those genres better than anybody, he was a jack of all trades, not a master.
heres an article on the situation around Hendrix arriving in England:
http://twtd.bluemountains.net.au/cream/ecjbjhpt.htm

They're all great guitarists in the end either way, and though they did see him as a bit of competition they were friends all together in the end....

[istandalone]

To the arguement of Hendrix's speed could be matched by a ten year old, Hendrix at the time was as quick as anyone else around in fact probably one of the quickest in the main stream. Also speed was not part of his style he was more interested in an emotive bend or slide than 30 notes a second speed. As far as him being the greatest goes, he was the biggest innovator the guitar has ever known, even to this day nearly 40 years since he was playing. His tone was incredible in my opinion and his soloing breathtaking. Even after the shred phase of the guitar his work is still regarded as some of the height of guitar playing. I know i get more praise from being able to play hey joe than from being able to play eruption. But above all his playing was so natural and so about feel that inspires me most. Yes it was sloppy yes it may have been out of key at the wrong time but it sounds good and that to me is the biggest reason why i count him as one of the greatest of all time.

great way to put it!

[Maet]

he could play jazz, funk, flamenco, heavy driving rock, and blues better than anyone, litterally anyone!

Really now? Is that so? And what would some of these incredible jazz, funk and flamenco songs be?

[groll01]

the fact that ppl still worship him now many years after is death prove's the he is one of the greats!

[ledzepsux26]

he puts so much feeling into his guitar
he pulls almost impossbile stunts (setting his guitar on fire, playing with his teeth perfectly and playing behind his back etc)
he is a genius on guitar, not like jimmy page
he is awesome at vocals, no like robert plant

[enfilade]

Really now? Is that so? And what would some of these incredible jazz, funk and flamenco songs be?

i didnt mention songs did i now? he incorporated all these techniques, u simply havnt listened to jimi at all if u cant recognize heavy funk and jazz elements in his playing, he has no flamenco songs just a bit of blistering impro at the end of woodstock

[enfilade]

You cannot measure the level of "soul" an artist has. He couldn't play all of those genres better than anybody, he was a jack of all trades, not a master.


fair enough it was the blues i was implying he was best at though, my mistake.
u can measure soul on the artists productivity and quality of his accomplishemnts, which in jimi's case, is just totally superior to most others, he was like james brown, jeff beck, albert king and bob dylan in one

[klein82887]

Like wow dude , I was sitting around just takin some bong rips and I was wonderin , like why does everone think Jimi hendrix (coughs, from taking massive bong hit) is the best guiuatr player that ever lived. Like why, his music just gives me a headache when I'm tryin to chill then I have to put on some (coughs ) Dead and like totally trip out , huhuhhuh(coughs).

Notice how nobody thought that was funny. It was probably the gayest thing I've ever seen on UG. All he did was ask a question.

[Hanzi_G]

please name them, i could do with a laugh

Al Di Meola, Lenny Breau, Robert Cray, Pat Metheny?

There's tons. I think your just the ignorant biased kid who hasn't expanded his mind to other genres and playing styles.

[big-red]

Don't forget, Hendrix died at a very early age, he didn't get much of a chance to show more stuff, like all these other "great guitarists". People say Jimmy Page, well he's been around as long eas Hendrix, except he's still alive, same with EVH, and others like Yngwie or Vai or Petrucci etc. have all been around longer than Jimi was, and imo Jimi accomplished a lot more than any of them.

That's so ture, I agree completely.

[Hanzi_G]

the fact that ppl still worship him now many years after is death prove's the he is one of the greats!

But people worship tons of guitarists from that period of time still...there's more guitarists than Hendrix that are still popular you know.

Brian May, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Santana, Townshed, Gilmour...the list goes on and on.

[Prophet of Page]

fair enough it was the blues i was implying he was best at though, my mistake.
u can measure soul on the artists productivity and quality of his accomplishemnts, which in jimi's case, is just totally superior to most others, he was like james brown, jeff beck, albert king and bob dylan in one

I'm afraid you don't get the point. There is no measure of the level of "soul" or "emotion" at all. It's completely subjective. You can say Hendrix's stuff has alot of feel, I can say it hasn't. I can say Steve Vai's stuff is heavily emotional, but you can say it sounds like guitar wanking.

On that, Jimi released like 4 albums while alive? Sure fair enough, seems high for the few years he was around, four full albums is nothing to be sniffed at. Prince released something like eleven albums in one year once, thats very high productivity. Frank Zappa has over fifty albums to his name, huge productivity. Then, Eric Johnson released his first studio album in nine years this year. He's a perfectionist, nothing wrong with that either. Productivity is irrelevent.

All I ask is for people to get this into perspective. You cannot measure an artist by his output level, or by emotion, as there is no meter for emotion.

One thing you can measure is technical ability, and Hendrix was low on that list. Even for his time he was sloppy, especially compared to the emerging fusion players of the day, such as Al Di Meola.

[Four-Sticks]

One thing you can measure is technical ability.

And even that is still pretty subjective.
Let me explain:
It's my opinion that Gilbert's string skips are harder than Jennifer Batten's tapping.
It's my opinion that Rusty Cooley's Legato is harder than Jason Becker's sweeping.
And just for someone of that age:
It's my opinion that Chet Atkins fingerstyle was harder than John Mclaughlin's alternate picking.
etc. etc.

[Prophet of Page]

And even that is still pretty subjective.
Let me explain:
It's my opinion that Gilbert's string skips are harder than Jennifer Batten's tapping.
It's my opinion that Rusty Cooley's Legato is harder than Jason Becker's sweeping.
And just for someone of that age:
It's my opinion that Chet Atkins fingerstyle was harder than John Mclaughlin's alternate picking.
etc. etc.

I meant more like comparing like with like. Paul Gilbert's string skipping to Eric Johnson's, Joe Satriani's legato to Allan Holdworth's, Buckethead's tapping to Bob Zabek's, Michael Angelo Batio's sweeping to Jason Becker's.

[Maet]

i didnt mention songs did i now? he incorporated all these techniques, u simply havnt listened to jimi at all if u cant recognize heavy funk and jazz elements in his playing, he has no flamenco songs just a bit of blistering impro at the end of woodstock

Fine then. What are some songs with these techniques? You can't possibly expect anyone to believe a word you say if you've got nothing to back it up with, do you? :rolleyes:

[Wannabehippie]

Fine then. What are some songs with these techniques? You can't possibly expect anyone to believe a word you say if you've got nothing to back it up with, do you? :rolleyes:

You don't need to know the technique, you can hear it in his music, and offstage Jam Sessions.

[Maet]

Doesn't change the fact I'd still like to know where he does these things because I for one couldn't recall hearing anything but rock, blues and pshychadelia when I use to listen to Hendrix farily often about a year ago.

[Four-Sticks]

I meant more like comparing like with like. Paul Gilbert's string skipping to Eric Johnson's, Joe Satriani's legato to Allan Holdworth's, Buckethead's tapping to Bob Zabek's, Michael Angelo Batio's sweeping to Jason Becker's.
I'll buy that, but that's still a very incomprehensive way of "measuring" a guitarist.

Which leads me to believe that there is no way to actually meaure a guitarist among a diverse group of people. So arguing about the value of different guitarists is pointless.

[Maet]

I'll buy that, but that's still a very incomprehensive way of "measuring" a guitarist.

Which leads me to believe that there is no way to actually meaure a guitarist among a diverse group of people. So arguing about the value of different guitarists is pointless.

In conflicting genres, maybe. But still, you mean to say you haven't heard two kids jamming with each other doing Q and A solos, then thinking to yourself 'wow, Kid A knows what he's doing, but Kid B could use some work'.

There are ways of measuring guitarists. They just don't satisfy many people, as you can plainly see.

[Prophet of Page]

I'll buy that, but that's still a very incomprehensive way of "measuring" a guitarist.

Which leads me to believe that there is no way to actually meaure a guitarist among a diverse group of people. So arguing about the value of different guitarists is pointless.


Thats just it exactly. There is no measure that keeps everybody happy, so we should all just shut up and play our damn guitars, and listen to the music we like, not giving a **** what somebody else thinks about it.

[fender_mustang7]

i think the only reason hendrix was so good is because he re-revolutionized electric guitar. every so often you have a person like this. its just that jimi had a new way to play. he also influenced many people to play, so that could be why hes considered the best. i dont find him to be the best. i think eric clapton is up there in the overall best guitarists. but when you say "best guitarist," you have to look at the genre they play. if you like hendrix, you like that new wave of 70's music. if you think eddie van halen is the best, yeah, hes the best in his genre.

[freewheelinbird]

Well, let me put that in perspective for you, if you HAD to choose between the two, which would you choose:

1: someone playing quarter notes at 1 bpm?

or

2: someone playing 16th notes at 120 bpm?


But no, speed is not all that counts here... and I hope not for him as well :no: .

someone playing quarter notes at 1 bpm

shred is godawful, it is terrible. it's just distortion on a guitar played really fdast.

now take hendrix'x blues jam of voodoo chile. how fast was that? the fastest stuff he played was hammer on/off stuff. but simply amazing

[Four-Sticks]

^Alt. Picked/Legato 16th notes at 120 BPM is not shred.

In conflicting genres, maybe. But still, you mean to say you haven't heard two kids jamming with each other doing Q and A solos, then thinking to yourself 'wow, Kid A knows what he's doing, but Kid B could use some work'.

There are ways of measuring guitarists. They just don't satisfy many people, as you can plainly see.

I said "...among a diverse group of people" meaning that people other than myself would be involved in the measuring process. Of course I have my own personal preferences, some guitarist who just blow, and some who are awesome, but that doesn't mean shit to anyone other than myself.

[Night_Lights]

will you guys shut up about shredding?



Jimi was an innovator, which is why people (like me) respect him. However i also considor him a tad overrated, i think therre were other, more technically able guitarists out there, such as Robert Fripp and Ritchie Blackmoore and of course, Jeff Beck.




and to whomever said Jimi had Jazz and Flamenco bits in his songs, what the hell? I personally havent heard a single song with such influences in them, care to name some songs?

[Four-Sticks]

will you guys shut up about shredding?


Excuse me, but do fuck off.

[barfy2000]

obviously everybody is entitled to their opinions, but to say ten year old surpass him is idiotic.

Its really not that hard to believe that some ten year olds are techincally more proficient than Hendrix ever was at guitar. Unfortunately these kids are usually forced into playing the instrument and develop a dislike for it. They could play anything he wrote, but they will never play anything the way he wrote it, if you understand what I mean.

Even though he wasnt the most skilled guitarist, he had something else. A certain X factor, that made him mystical and exotic. He was new, groundbreaking and he rocked. What more could you have asked for back in the day?

[enfilade]

Fine then. What are some songs with these techniques? You can't possibly expect anyone to believe a word you say if you've got nothing to back it up with, do you?

spanish castle magic, foxey lady, (heavy funk), rainy day dream away, up from the skies (jazz) thats off the top of my head i wont waste my time listing countless other examples to someone who doesnt listen.

and btw wer'e all guitarists here which is why technical ability is relevant to us, to people who dont play an instrument it means dick all, its simply about how good it sounds (nirvana stooges etc) people want substance more than style. im not gonna debate this with shred loving black and white robots much, but just because hendrix couldnt read music, doesnt mean he couldnt play it

[Risner]

i think the only reason hendrix was so good is because he re-revolutionized electric guitar. every so often you have a person like this. its just that jimi had a new way to play. he also influenced many people to play, so that could be why hes considered the best. i dont find him to be the best. i think eric clapton is up there in the overall best guitarists. but when you say "best guitarist," you have to look at the genre they play. if you like hendrix, you like that new wave of 70's music. if you think eddie van halen is the best, yeah, hes the best in his genre.

I have to say that this man knows what hes talking about. the way the guitarist influences people is what makes a guitarist the greatest.

[keeponrockin]

I think Hendrix was one of the best. A great songwriter as well. My fav. hendrix song is "Castles Made Of Sand", its 30 years ahead of it's time.

[Crzyrckgtrst28]

Like wow dude , I was sitting around just takin some bong rips and I was wonderin , like why does everone think Jimi hendrix (coughs, from taking massive bong hit) is the best guiuatr player that ever lived. Like why, his music just gives me a headache when I'm tryin to chill then I have to put on some (coughs ) Dead and like totally trip out , huhuhhuh(coughs).


You are a winner

:rolleyes:

[rushman55]

jimi hendrix revolutionized how the electric guitar was played and sounded. He did so much to pave the path for great artists to follow. By him doing that doesnt make him "The Best Guitarist", but he is easily one of the top 10 greatest rock n roll guitarists.

[prsfloyd]

You are a winner

:rolleyes:

Wheres my fing prize? :D

[Outside Octaves]

Jimi Hendrix's influence on music is in question by a Pantera fan?? nuff said

Let me guess, ur not a fan of dime bag's AMAZING guitar playing? (You try getting some of those sounds whilst so ****ing drunk and high that any normal person would O.D. ;) ).

Ehehm... and to lay this to rest... I can now see he was better than I thought, and please stop going on about him not being the best, I got the point after 10 of those posts ;) .

And thanks for showing me the light ;) . :peace:

[Maet]

Ehh... substance tolerance is nothing to be pround of.

[Outside Octaves]

Hey, I'm not saying it's anything anyone should be doing... In fact I've preaty heavily against drugs and alch!

I'm just stating that I'd love to see someone try doing what he did on the amount of drugs he was on..... though I know that is "saying go out and do drugs and alch." which goes against what I just said (by the way, DON'T DO THEM, THEY JUST **** UP YOUR GUITAR PLAYING AND YOUR LIFE!, they also kill ;) . But it's more of a rhetorical thing... I mean, not many out there could do what he could do while that high/drunk. So you MUST take that in to fact when listening to his guitar.

And as for shread just being tech exercise done fast...... yea, it's that way if you listen to the crappy bands... but it's a tottally different thing when you get emotions envolved with the music ;) .

And as for Hendrix, I'm no longer dening his skillz as an artist now that I've heard something other than the fuzz collage. Dang man, he may have been a little sloppy and out of key at the wrong times... but the dude was good, if not great. And now that I see that the star spangled banner was about the country coming apart at the seams, wow... now that is amazing work...

Obviously I still have a lot of work to do on my guitar skills and my musical tastes, as their still changing (hey, just a few months ago Deep Purple sounded like total ****e to me, but now-a-days their freaken awsome.

And obviously, we all have things we like, things we hate, and things in between...

for me, the things I like out-weigh the things I dislike... the things I dislike:

-Jazzy blues (such as bb king's jazzy stuff, just god-awful to me at the moment... but time does tend to change things).
-Most female singers (most are just pop-crap that a studio crapped out... though there are those like Janis Jopline, Reba McEntire, Charollete Church, etc. that I do LOVE).
-Metal/rock/punk that is nothing more than tech. exersizes done at fast paces, and the hack bands that are in those genres, or a song or two from a great band that is just hack work... such as U2's Beautiful Day..... that song was just a crap out by them... Where's the emotional instrumentation?
-Techno - just technical crap... an't even music...
-MOST rap - especially gangster rap..... but I do like Will Smith, and some of Kanye West's stuff, and let's face it.... who doesn't have fun with I LIKE BIG BUTTS? :D, even if it can be annoying, especially that intro to it.
-Most anything played at Dance Clubs and on Mainstream Stations...

The things I like: EVERYTHING ELSE!

I LOVE classical such as Beethoven's Moon Light Sonata, Tchaikovsky's operatic plays such as the Nut Cracker and Swan Lake, Bach's brilliant stuff... and much much more.

I LOVE Metal (and Rock, Heavy Rock, Hard Rock, Phycodelic Rock, Good Punk, and etc.2) that is emotional and full of the lives of the band members..... Such as Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osborne... I mean, does classic metal get any better than stuff Like the stuff on the Symptomes of the Universe Double Disk set recently put out, those pieces are just ****ing amazing! Ozzy's showing how drugs and alch. WILL mess you and your life up (which is a "light" type thing), while singing in a dark mannor, whilst the instrumentallists play HEAVY and BEYOND GOTHICLY DARK stuff... is just AMAZING juxtapositioning! And Randy Rhoades and Zakk Wiyld's stuff just is, for the better pieces, amazing... which is to put it mildly...
Metallica brought a new area of anger and darkness that is seldom matched... Testiment was just simply brilliant (only heard one song of theirs which is The Legacy... woooo the great Power Ballad form of Metal.... ).
M.A. Batio can smoke anyone else in tech. ability as far as speed is concerned... but his music is more than speed, its full of emotion and fun.
Gosh, this is such a diverce genre of music that I love, but then again most genres are just as verried if not more so. I just happen to LOVE the dark and the gothic.. outside of the demonic stuff such as anything dealing with stuff like the number of the beast *shutters*. To this day I will NOT listen to ANYTHING that deals with that number! I just simply will not tollerate it!...... but I still enjoy metal :D .

I LOVE Phycodelic Rock, such as Pink Floyd's work in the Dark Side of the Moon, or The Wall...man, I strongly suggest using caution when listening to that stuff.... their drug-induced songs can easily leave u in a drugged-out state of mind ;) :D . And uhm... contrary to popular belief, you don't need to be on any drug to totally get their stuff... in fact it's better that you don't, as you will get it much more without the drugs, as i've been told by someone who once did that kind of stuff and now plays for a church (he's simply an amazing guitarist to hear, though I wouldn't say he's a "guitar great" or anything... he is preaty good at what he plays though... he can break out that wah like no-one I've heard live in person yet (only scene him live in person playing the wah ;) LOL).

I LOVE bluese, I mean, BB KING can get such emotion into that guitar it's amazing the guitar doesn't burst on stage. Janis Jopline can make anyone's heart melt with her smoldering lyrics and soultry vocalizations.

I LOVE some forms of jazz, such as Kenny G's work. (that is jazz, right?)

let's see..... if I'm forgetting anything, I probably havn't heard it, and don't know if I like it or not...


NOW:

With all this said, OPINIONS ARE ONLY OUR OWN... NOT ANYONE ELSES... What I like, someone else may think is total trash. So that post kinda is mute point. But the reason why I said what I said?
Well, I just wanted to let you guys know that I have a preaty broad span in the music that I do like/love... and only a narrow area of music that I dislike.

And I am thankful for the help I have recieved within this thread... Now, I am off to listen to one of my fav. bands, Black Sabbath... then off to try and "perfect" the main riff to Crazy Train that everyone that plays metal knows.

:peace: :devil: :peace:

[Dr. No]

I can't really explain it, his songs are just so memorable. His different effects, the emotion in his songs.

[Outside Octaves]

Ok, thankx to all you guys for your help in seeing the light.

I was recently put in my place by a friend online, and now am seeing that "fuzz fest" in a little bit better light, and it is sounding better and better now that I have a little bit better grasp on it... though still can be a bit noizy, that SSB part just rulez my panzy ass! :peace:

[The UG Squirrel]

Well, let me put that in perspective for you, if you HAD to choose between the two, which would you choose:

1: someone playing quarter notes at 1 bpm?

or

2: someone playing 16th notes at 120 bpm?


But no, speed is not all that counts here... and I hope not for him as well :no: .


I'd choose either. Great music can be written at any tempo. So having to choose between quarter notes and 16th notes is utter bullshit.

[Outside Octaves]

I'm not talking about quarter notes or sixteenth notes here really, more along the lines of pace (not speed).

I mean, come on... you truely would listen to a pice of music that hit 1 note, once a minute (or so)? If so, then great for you... but I seriously doubt that any sane person could even listen to such stuff..

And as for 16th notes at 120 bpm, again, not talking about 16th notes persay... but about the pace (not speed). A note sounding at least 120 times in one minute is much more in line with something recognizeable....

This is all just to show an extream example... I'm sure there are songs at 50bpm or lower that are out-standing.

[Four-Sticks]

I LOVE some forms of jazz, such as Kenny G's work. (that is jazz, right?)

Arguably... :p:

[MacTavish]

^ Hahaha.

Techno is good...listen to any of Jeff Beck's latest 3 albums...

Hendrix is the greatest because he inspired so many people to play guitar, he was so original, and he showed everyone how rock guitar should be played. That and he took anything anyone else was doing at the time and did it much better...pretty much.

[angusfenderbend]

Well dude pantera and muse are gay. And hendrix is definately more relaxing than that crap. At least he can sing. Go whine in the metal forum. Check out the song "fire". Thats got some nice guitar going on there.

[Outside Octaves]

Techno is good...listen to any of Jeff Beck's latest 3 albums...

Well, as my OPINION goes....

what I've heard of techno is total ****! EVER LAST PIECE OF IT... it's RUINED some of the greatest pieces in time.. well, the origenal pieces are still great, but those pieces just sound like **** when done by techno artists... :puke:

Most anything in techno/dance/house/etc. is total cop out by people who really don't get what music is for.... they just want a beat to dance to... and THAT IS NOT what music is for :puke:

Music is to convey emotions or help enhance emotion... and a few other things, but that's it's main purpose... as I have it anyway... :kissass:

Prove me wrong, I'd love to expand my mind on this, if it is even possible... which I highly doubt!

[Hanzi_G]

Well dude pantera and muse are gay. And hendrix is definately more relaxing than that crap. At least he can sing. Go whine in the metal forum. Check out the song "fire". Thats got some nice guitar going on there.

Really? I think that Matthew Bellamy has a very good voice live (from what I've seen).

[seljer]

Well, as my OPINION goes....

what I've heard of techno is total ****! EVER LAST PIECE OF IT... it's RUINED some of the greatest pieces in time.. well, the origenal pieces are still great, but those pieces just sound like **** when done by techno artists... :puke:

Most anything in techno/dance/house/etc. is total cop out by people who really don't get what music is for.... they just want a beat to dance to... and THAT IS NOT what music is for :puke:

Music is to convey emotions or help enhance emotion... and a few other things, but that's it's main purpose... as I have it anyway... :kissass:

Prove me wrong, I'd love to expand my mind on this, if it is even possible... which I highly doubt!

of course theres that **** thats only a beat for people to dance to in night clubs

there are plenty of creative artists out there, try The Aphex Twin, Daft Punk... it may not be the greatest thing musically but its clever and and fun to listen to sometimes

just explore this thing a bit http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

[Sprice]

i think its just the effects and all the little tricks he did he actually is very sloppy in some of his shows and if him and SRV got on stage together i think Stevie would blow him away in technique's but style and versatilty Jimi would win

[SGSpecial]

Greatest, not best

[ridcullylives]

He was, in terms of the guitar, undoubtedly amazing. Sure, he wasn't particularly technical, and people played better than him, yadda yadd yadda. He was great.

His status as the greatest ever though comes from his persona...he comes off like he's been posessed by some demon when he's really into the ****.

[Noosie]

I used to like Hendrix alot but as you progress in your playing people seem to find there style/technique and honestly i cant stand some things Hendrix plays (Live) because its just really fuzzy and choppy but thats what his technique was and apparently millions upon millions find it very good even inspiring. I found that my style was playing much cleaner things im a huge Queen fan and i love Brian May's playing style that I myself took a little bit of his style to add to my own i could never play hendrix kinds of things because he lived for the accidentals during a live performance because he could take them and just keep going as if he hadnt made a mistake at all and it was all apart of the song thats why Jimi Hendrix is one of the Greatest guitarists of all time He's not the best however no one will ever be the best despite what your friends/Media will tell you its they're opinion and yours will differ in many ways.

[love_O_rock]

Come on now, he was black. Enough said. :D ;) But he was an innovator, an inspiration, and a great one too. 9/10 rock bands today would have never existed if he had never been around.

[Goin' Mobile]

If you ever go to downtown San Francisco, there's this guy who dresses and looks JUST like Jimi Hendrix. And he plays equally as well. He sits out on the street corners with his bassist and drummer playing 30 minute blues solos, and classic Jimi covers.

Check him out if you have a chance ;)

[Outside Octaves]

no money. ;)

[Goin' Mobile]

He's free, he just stands out on the street corners.

[Outside Octaves]

No money to get there, I live in sc ;) .

[psychodelia]

This message is pointed towards enfilade.

Regarding Flamenco,

I have never heard Jimi play anything remotely resembling flamenco. Playing a few spanish-sounding chords doesn't count. He might have incorporated a small amount of it in his style, but not enough to be considered a master, or maybe even proficient.

I incorporate a few country licks into my playing every now and then, doesn't mean I'm a country master.

And as far as jazz goes...

He could supposedly play some songs like Misty well, from what I hear. However, if his technical knowledge was as bad as people say, there's no way he could have gotten away with playing bebop or similarly difficult jazz.

However, a point could be made that he might have done well with modal jazz, in the style of Miles Davis. I heard a rumor that when Jimi died he had unfinished plans to meet with Miles, which could have resulted in some amazing musical collaboration. Unfortunately, we will never know what would have come of that. Jimi wasn't a jazz player, but he had potential, I suppose.

Finally, I don't know too much about funk, but the funk I've played (Tower of Power stuff and similar charts) revolves around 16th note subdivisions, lots of bass and drums and syncopation. I haven't heard Jimi do anything that really sounds like that, and Foxey Lady does not count as funk in my opinion.


There are better technical guitarists, there are guitarists who I think have better tone, there are guitarists who I think are more expressive... He's very good and I enjoy his music, but he isn't the best.

[coldethyl]

Jimi was possibly the best whilst he was alive. But unlikely to be the best when looking at other guitarists since his time.

Nevertheless, Eric Clapton was referred to a "God" back in the 60's and no doubt he was the best of them around at that time, BUT that doesn't mean that Clapton is still the best.

Edward Van Halen was touted as being the best when Van Halen's first album was released but again it doesn't mean Ed is still the best.

There again, who's the best guitarist in one persons mind is usually going to be totally different to someone else's.

[Outside Octaves]

Yep, an't that the truth. And yet again someone doesn't read the actual thread, gezz... I wish some of you would actually read through an entire thread once in a while, gezz..... 500 posts on the same exact thing is excessive..... :rolleyes: Man, I'm beging to repeat myself alot in this...... but you know what... to return to the topic:

I'm going to try again tonight to download that video. I'll let you know what I think of the whole thing.

[coldethyl]

^Oh well, ya know what they say..............repetition for emphasis!^

It can get annoying though!

[enfilade]

This message is pointed towards enfilade.

Regarding Flamenco,

I have never heard Jimi play anything remotely resembling flamenco. Playing a few spanish-sounding chords doesn't count. He might have incorporated a small amount of it in his style, but not enough to be considered a master, or maybe even proficient.

I incorporate a few country licks into my playing every now and then, doesn't mean I'm a country master.

And as far as jazz goes...

He could supposedly play some songs like Misty well, from what I hear. However, if his technical knowledge was as bad as people say, there's no way he could have gotten away with playing bebop or similarly difficult jazz.

However, a point could be made that he might have done well with modal jazz, in the style of Miles Davis. I heard a rumor that when Jimi died he had unfinished plans to meet with Miles, which could have resulted in some amazing musical collaboration. Unfortunately, we will never know what would have come of that. Jimi wasn't a jazz player, but he had potential, I suppose.

Finally, I don't know too much about funk, but the funk I've played (Tower of Power stuff and similar charts) revolves around 16th note subdivisions, lots of bass and drums and syncopation. I haven't heard Jimi do anything that really sounds like that, and Foxey Lady does not count as funk in my opinion.


There are better technical guitarists, there are guitarists who I think have better tone, there are guitarists who I think are more expressive... He's very good and I enjoy his music, but he isn't the best.

he probably wouldve went in a jazz direction had he lived, the band of gypsies were more of a free form jazz thing, sure in a technical sense he wasnt a jazz artist at all i didnt say he was, but jazz fans went crazy for 'the experience' with there onslaughts of heavy improvisation. he incorporated different influences and styles into his music, mostly blues of course but other things to. mabye i was getting carried away with the flamenco bit but if u cant hear that "funk" style in his music then yes, u dont know much about it.

look there is no such a thing as a "best" guitarist, all the people u think have better tone, they dont, u just think they do. and i may disagree, its all just opinion, and i know that, but the thread starter was asking "why" he is considered the best, which democratically he is, and i was giving the reasons why, i didnt even go in to depth.

[lukef]

You have the worst spelling, and are the most annoying person I have ever seen post, anywhere.


The way you type is not even deliberately bad spelling like "u r stoopid" it's just, you are stupid. "is mute point"? Mute point? aghr!


Wow. I hate you Outside Octaves.

[Xodah]

Who you are thats says that a 10 can surpass him is idiotic rediculus and retarded
you have no respect for music and art for that matter you insucffincent lil
miget bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :no: :eek: :devil:

I know kids about 12 that are better then him writting and technically

[Wannabehippie]

I know kids about 12 that are better then him writting and technically

I'd like to see evidence of this to back this quote up.

[frippogenics]

^ Me too. And technicality will only go so far. If a 12 year old can play one Malmsteen song, cool, but who gives a crap?

[Ablazean]

its common knowledge that the average religious american/patriotic american can't stand Jimi Hendrix, a) becase hes black and b) because he performed an amazing version of star spangled banner that was too unoriginal.

:no:

[living2shred]

Think about this

Don't take this as radically as it sounds
Jimi Hendrix is over rated
When I compare his playing to the other rock icons of the same era (for example Led Zeppelin) I see much more technically challenging playing and talent in Jimmy Page, John Bonham, and John Paul Jones

You have to examine all the layers Page uses in his playing
How he can change the mood of the instrument instantly
How he molds the chords in with single notes at blistering speeds
How he can represent the bluesmen without copying them
And not even to mention his accoustic riffs
I am influenced much more by Jimmy Page than Hendrix

In my opinion Hendrix was a great song writer and guitar player but he has seen the magazine "count down to greatest guitarists" #1 spot way to much

I believe that his commercial image is more influential than his guitar playing

However, For Jimi's defense the model JH1 Dunlop Wah Pedal is freeking sweet and burning the strat never gets old

[L_Z_Nut]

I know kids about 12 that are better then him writting and technically

Suuurrre you do buddy. And I just finished writting, and soon will be performing my 10th symphony at the New York Philharmonic. It's pretty easy to make up crap on the net and not have to prove it isn't it. I just hope you're trying to be funny or sarcastic.

Poeple always say that technically Jimi was sloppy. If he was sloppy I'd like to see anybody play sloppy as good as he did. And you have to remember most of the amazing technical guitarist like VH for example weren't also the lead singers. The stuff Jimi played was hard enough as it is, and when you put into consideration that he was the lead singer as well as the lead guitarist, it's mind boggling.

IMO he was the best lead singer/guitarist and will probably never be matched by anyone.

[MacTavish]

However, a point could be made that he might have done well with modal jazz, in the style of Miles Davis. I heard a rumor that when Jimi died he had unfinished plans to meet with Miles, which could have resulted in some amazing musical collaboration. Unfortunately, we will never know what would have come of that. Jimi wasn't a jazz player, but he had potential, I suppose.
He jammed with Miles, there are recordings of it.

Living2shred, No. Jimi was more creative than Page and had better chops. Page was just in a better band.

[Outside Octaves]

Ok, there is no best, and i think most of us get that now.

But as for this motife that I've heard not actually said, but infered:

"No guitarist is better than anyone else"... I'm living proof that someone can be worse than someone else... so the opposite MUST be true... isn't it?

Anyways, I do have to say in my defince:

I'm another guitar god, trapped inside a musicly illiterate nut-shell.

[Wannabehippie]

Dude this thread died like..a month ago.

[Outside Octaves]

Well, I think it's still a relavent conversation... and add to that that I'm still trying to learn what I can. Geeze, some people can go overboard on the "this is spam" thing... I mean, I only "resserected" this because of the fact that ...... well, I already stated it in the thread 2 spots above.

[9mmpainpill]

Think about this

Don't take this as radically as it sounds
Jimi Hendrix is over rated
When I compare his playing to the other rock icons of the same era (for example Led Zeppelin) I see much more technically challenging playing and talent in Jimmy Page, John Bonham, and John Paul Jones

ok....playing technically challenging crap doesnt make you a good guitarist.....otherwise people like Jeff Loomis would be considered gods......Jimi is considered the best by a lot of people because he used his guitar as a second voice...not many other guitarists can even comprehend that....thats why they suck.

and im not trying to take anything away from Jeff Loomis....cause he is an amazing guitarist.

[Diabolic Clown]

Yeah, Jimi Hendrix played from his heart and soul. Songs like Machine Gun, Voodoo Child, Little Wing really showed his passion, especially when you hear them live. Tbh, I don't think he's overrated one bit.

[Substitute]

Hendrix was an innovator. A one-man army fighting the war against singularity. A martyr and poster-boy of happiness, peace and love. 'Yeah, happiness.' He was a fretboard junkie, a piece of art, he was Elvis, he was Van Gogh, he was God. Day after the next, he made the proverbial mountain that is playing guitar look as easy as walking and talking, while showing the rest of us that black men had something to prove in the sixties. He was so amazing that, had he actually had a flaw, he would have been shut down. Does that answer your question, sah?

[Moody16]

Jimi Hendrix to me is a great guitar player.I think that if it wasen't for him some artists and music wouldn't exist(besides his music) if it weren't for him.Although,his music is not my type.I don't think he is THE greatest guitar player in the world but he is in my top-20 at least.This is straight opinion but i think there is so much controversy over Jimi being the greatest because he's black...

[led zeppeman]

the only reason people can surpass jimi is because you've been instructed or taught. he was great because he taught himself how to play and played many neverbefore heard sounds and riffs. if it werent for him, you probably would be playing a reppition of chords all day and nothing else. one thing alot of people dont like would be that he was a pot head and admitted it in song (purple haze). he died from drugs and meds. let this be a lesson to those who thinks that it is cool. trust me- ive been there before. i know what its like. he could still be alive today if it wasnt for drugs.

[P.B.]

not that this means anything, but I can play pretty much any Led Zepp song i want to with not much pratice, but i have trouble with many Hendrix songs.

just looking at the official tabs you can tell henrix is tougher to play.

but what it really comes down to is what you perfer (as it has been mentioned many times before in this thread).

[esp1988]

he's the best bcoz in just 4 yrs he managed to inspire 4 decades worth of musicians

[lahoosaher]

He's is the *best*.

why you ask, because he played what sound great at a good speed, with little distortion to make that awesome sound of his. He wasnt sloppy(Point in fact example (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2773902947091271005&q=jimi+hendrix&pl=true)
which that song almost made me cream my pants first time i heard it.) and he didnt use distortion to cover up his mistakes(if you want to discuss distortion covering up ****ty playing, go to the heavy metal board,) Jimi hendrix has released more albums after his death.(My sig is a quote by him.) More music is still being recovered by the family owned experience hendrix company to put out in albums and cds. Although most of his songs where made up while was high, the best werent. Little wing was based on his mother, Lucielle, death. a;though his friends say he wasnt addicted/frequent user of heroin, noel redding, the bassist had seen him on many accounts of him taking heroin. Jimi hendrix has inspired many and set a foot hold in guitar history, feedback control, wah wah, and many other effects were brought in mainstream by this rock legend. Some of his music wasnt always rock. his best was blues. there has been no one else to surpass his greatness. if you think he's overrated, shove youre stubborned punk/metal head up youre ass. If you like someone else, thats ok, just dont bash him for being the the guitar player he is. **** the casualities for there ****ed up song about jimi hendrix, and may punk die with rap, metal and Whatever the hell *nu*metal is.

[lahoosaher]

I'm afraid you don't get the point. There is no measure of the level of "soul" or "emotion" at all. It's completely subjective. You can say Hendrix's stuff has alot of feel, I can say it hasn't. I can say Steve Vai's stuff is heavily emotional, but you can say it sounds like guitar wanking.

On that, Jimi released like 4 albums while alive? Sure fair enough, seems high for the few years he was around, four full albums is nothing to be sniffed at. Prince released something like eleven albums in one year once, thats very high productivity. Frank Zappa has over fifty albums to his name, huge productivity. Then, Eric Johnson released his first studio album in nine years this year. He's a perfectionist, nothing wrong with that either. Productivity is irrelevent.

All I ask is for people to get this into perspective. You cannot measure an artist by his output level, or by emotion, as there is no meter for emotion.

One thing you can measure is technical ability, and Hendrix was low on that list. Even for his time he was sloppy, especially compared to the emerging fusion players of the day, such as Al Di Meola.
How many of those ****ers have released more albums dead, than alive...... :finger:

[lahoosaher]

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its youre opinion, and every one is right............














































Except those that think jimi sucks....they suck balls with there biased opinion

[somepunkkid]

Hendrix was and still is the best, no explaination required, his music says it all

EDIT: Followed by Clappton, satriani, vai, and that dude from 10 years after who made me orgasm while watching woodstock

[led_kremlin]

Hendrix was and still is the best, no explaination required, his music says it all

EDIT: Followed by Clappton, satriani, vai, and that dude from 10 years after who made me orgasm while watching woodstock

umm wheres page?

[Icy_Dice]

Its because hes black and got soul not like most white guitarists with their speed.I mean look at hendrix and look at any white guitarist. Youll see that hendrix plays his soul not his fingers unlike "White guitarists".White guitarist are good but they play speed.Music about expressing your soul not going very fast speakin about speed hendrix is fast.
Slash is black and hes great and emotional.Too bad there not many niggaz in the rock industry cause wed rather spend it on some Pu****.LOL

[SomeEvilDude]

umm wheres page?

Not on his list, because Page is not that good?

[distilledspirit]

^^ OK and you're smart

[Prophet of Page]

How many of those ****ers have released more albums dead, than alive...... :finger:


What the fuck has that got to do with anything? And by the way, there were probably more recordings of Zappa released after his death than before. A huge amount of bootlegs have shown up. He's the only one on my list who's dead, so :finger:

I stand by my statement. Productivity is irrelevant, either during life or post mortem.

How much you release is no measure of how good you are, and you cannot even begin to measure emotion. Its just not possible to measure it, because its not there. A sound wave cannot "contain emotion".

By the way, the long post you made just shows me how ignorant and closed minded you are.

[Liam Grainger]

Hendrix isn't bad and has to be respected and i like his music ect., but he aint the best
everyone says he influenced everything- not true.
Cream's Disrali Gears (sp) was out in the same year,
Page was recording well before hendrix (he was a session guitarist)
BB king basically raised jimmy in guitar
Frank Zappa taught him alot (IMO, Zappa is the most underated musician ever he owns everyone)
I respect hendrix mostly because of his spirit- watching him get carried away live.. the guitar melted into him...
but hes not my fav, and i really can honestly say He hasnt influenced me that much.

[TasianSensation]

No money to get there, I live in sc ;) .


sc as in South Carolina, or sc as in Santa Cruz??

my opinion on the issue at hand:
jimi is considered one of the greatest because he was way ahead of his time. i haven't heard much, but from what i have, i would think it would be from a later time period than the 60s

[freewheelinbird]

Its because hes black and got soul not like most white guitarists with their speed.I mean look at hendrix and look at any white guitarist. Youll see that hendrix plays his soul not his fingers unlike "White guitarists".White guitarist are good but they play speed.Music about expressing your soul not going very fast speakin about speed hendrix is fast.
Slash is black and hes great and emotional.Too bad there not many niggaz in the rock industry cause wed rather spend it on some Pu****.LOL

you're a total fag idiot.

list of white guitarists-
duane allman
eric clapton
stevie ray vaughan
jerry garcia
jimmy page
gary rossington
allen collins
ed king
keith richards
pete townshend

[Gezus666]

I have the utmost respect for Hendrix, but i dont think he was the best. No wait, let me refrase that... now, hendrix isnt the best. At the time, he was the greatest showman, greatest personality, and greatest skilled man in the mainstream at the time. People never forgot that, which is why he is "The Greatest now." And Icy_Dice, well, your just an idiot. Nothing more to say. And slash is indian i think, but not black.

[benyard123]

Jimmi was busting the blues when you all were popping zits on your ugly faces. He was sent from God and nobody will be talking about your sorry ass when you die. He was straight up a blues man and he took it to a level never achieved before making him a true american classic. There isn't any one of you punks that wouldn't sell your soul to be him. Jimmi will always be...think about it.

[TheUltimateSin]

Jimmi was busting the blues when you all were popping zits on your ugly faces. He was sent from God and nobody will be talking about your sorry ass when you die. He was straight up a blues man and he took it to a level never achieved before making him a true american classic. There isn't any one of you punks that wouldn't sell your soul to be him. Jimmi will always be...think about it.

*sigh*

Shut up. That was possibly the dumbest thing you could have said. Especially the underlined part, as I can proudly say that I sure as hell would not "sell my soul" to be Jimi(Note how it is spelt with only one 'm', genius) Hendrix.

[chopps00]

See Jimi Live At The Isle of Wight. Then shut up.

[psychodelia]

*sigh*

Shut up. That was possibly the dumbest thing you could have said. Especially the underlined part, as I can proudly say that I sure as hell would not "sell my soul" to be Jimi(Note how it is spelt with only one 'm', genius) Hendrix.

straight up Jimmi believers don't need to spell correctly; that's the emotion coming through in their typing ;)

[TheUltimateSin]

straight up Jimmi believers don't need to spell correctly; that's the emotion coming through in their typing ;)

Well...the typo really wasn't the focus of my point ;)


EDIT: chopps....who was that directed to?

[psychodelia]

Well...the typo really wasn't the focus of my point ;)

True, I just find it ironic that they like the guy so much and they can't even spell his name.

How did this thread get revived anyways? Oy.

[Derigiberble]

Baby rape.


Right this thread is now dead. :)

[breakin-braketz]

People keep talkin about Technical ability. All self taught guitarists such as myself really could give a **** less if you tel us we're holding a certain chord the wrong way or some gay crap like that. The reason why this man is the best is because he reveloutinised it. Someone had said Blues had a baby and namedit rock and roll well i say rock and roll had many babies and none of its children could live up to it...this really means since jimi revolutionized it...no one else has yet to build fromt hat and make something else worth listening to.

[TheUltimateSin]

People keep talkin about Technical ability. A self taught guitarist such as myself really would really appreciate it if you tell me I'm holding a certain chord the wrong way so I can learn how to play the intrument correctly and better my playing, giving me a better understanding. The reason why I think this man is considered the best is because he was a pioneer, imo.

I took the liberty of cleaning up and fixing your mess up as best as I could so you would sound less ignorant and narrow-minded. But that was a bit of a challange for me.

[Maet]

I'm starting to this forum would be a better place if Hendrix never existed.

Of all the guitarists from the classic rock era, none have such a zealous following as Hendrix.

[Derigiberble]

Jimmy Page.

[Maet]

I find it easier to shut Page fanatics up. Hendrix fanatics seem to go on and on with incoherent rambles of terrible spelling and grammar that somehow represents their opinion (at least to them anyway).

But the two are definitely tied for first.

[Derigiberble]

Yeah because Page genuinly was utter shite its relatively easy. I like Hendrix but his fans are so over zealous. It's a pain really.

[fr0zt]

In the studio, Hendrix and Kramer created so many techniques we take for granted. Hendrix is one of those artists in order to truely appreciate, you must know atleast a little about the history of early rock music. You can't just listen to him and think that he's amazing. Instead, you have to think of his playing in context of the timeframe it was created. In the 60's, no one played like him. His techniques have been copied so many a time over the years, that they are no longer fresh sounding unless you have an understanding of Jimi Hendrix's purpose in the history of Rock & Roll.

[EricWasHere11]

and beautifull? It sounds like noisy **** (this coming from a pantara/muse fan, LOL)...
I can see you have never heard Little Wing or Castles Made of Sand.

[machupichu87]

hendrix will be the best always you only talk **** about him. he changed the world of music forever you talk like you play better than him and treat him like a **** i would like to see you all playing live and do the things he did im sure you all would be kicked out of the stage piece of ****s. i know theres a lot of other good players like page tonshend clapton beck satriani but none of those played like him and make it sound that beautyfull at that time and still all i hear now is **** rap pop if i see any of pop artis i would killem all those piece of ****s dont know about music our era really sucks,,,,,,,,,,,there will never be a player like hendrix so amaysing so passionate with the instrument so stop talking **** about him, well maybe you talk **** cause you are jelouss he played that good and you suck playing hahahahha

[benyard123]

*sigh*

Shut up. That was possibly the dumbest thing you could have said. Especially the underlined part, as I can proudly say that I sure as hell would not "sell my soul" to be Jimi(Note how it is spelt with only one 'm', genius) Hendrix.
How can you sell something you ain't got.

[TheUltimateSin]

How can you sell something you ain't got.

If it really makes you feel better to say that, and any other pearls of wisdom you may have. :o

I could really care less. But please, try to keep mindless crap like what I quoted of you to yourself. Not only does it make you look incredibly stupid, but it makes you look incredibly stupid. :)

And yes, I deliberatly repeated that last line, in case you are unable to figure it out ;)

[benyard123]

My typing skills directly relate to the amount of scotch I have had. It's my message that I wanted you all to hear and the message is JIMI WILL LIVE FOREVER. That's how I feel.

[TheUltimateSin]

That's great and all. But saying something like "There isn't any one of you punks that wouldn't sell your soul to be him." is probably the worst way to deliver that kind of message. You could just as easily have said what you just did and it would have sounded much better :)

[benyard123]

In the studio, Hendrix and Kramer created so many techniques we take for granted. Hendrix is one of those artists in order to truely appreciate, you must know atleast a little about the history of early rock music. You can't just listen to him and think that he's amazing. Instead, you have to think of his playing in context of the timeframe it was created. In the 60's, no one played like him. His techniques have been copied so many a time over the years, that they are no longer fresh sounding unless you have an understanding of Jimi Hendrix's purpose in the history of Rock & Roll.
thank you

[Anty 7]

If you want additional help on tabs, guitar lessons, forums, getting drugs, or just a personal issue, DeSean is willing to help.

Voting for DeSean is a vote for yourself, together we can all win.

[SomeEvilDude]

If you want additional help on tabs, guitar lessons, forums, getting drugs, or just a personal issue, DeSean is willing to help.

Voting for DeSean is a vote for yourself, together we can all win.

Well in this situation, I have to ask myself, 'What would Jeremy Kyle do?'

And he'd vote for Scourge. So you can take DeSean and shove him up your arse :p:.

Anyway, as for the topic, I personally think Hendrix has been surpassed in technicalities and improvistional abilities, but it is my opinion that he is the best. His rhythmic work was brilliant, some of the riffs he created were brilliant, and even his lyrics were pretty good too. His improvisations and lead work, while very sloppy, TO ME is very emotive, and that's something I don't get out of a lot of other players.

/opinion

[Derigiberble]

:haha Jeremy Kyle always knows best.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/ScarletSpider101/th_JeremyKyle.jpg

[thebrewfan]

Yea, my thoughts exactly. He's a great guitarist, revolutionized rock guitar, but does that make him the best? No.

You can't claim to be the best just because you created/revolutionized something. In this case, someone claiming someone else is best at something. He's a pretty sloppy player if you ask me. Still great, but there are 10 year olds that surpass him, and me for that matter.


You don't put the same feeling an emotion into your playing. And don't try and argue that you do because if you do you're wrong.

So don't try.

Because you'd be wrong.

End of argument.

[Ziggy193]

hendrix will be the best always you only talk **** about him. he changed the world of music forever you talk like you play better than him and treat him like a **** i would like to see you all playing live and do the things he did im sure you all would be kicked out of the stage piece of ****s. i know theres a lot of other good players like page tonshend clapton beck satriani but none of those played like him and make it sound that beautyfull at that time and still all i hear now is **** rap pop if i see any of pop artis i would killem all those piece of ****s dont know about music our era really sucks,,,,,,,,,,,there will never be a player like hendrix so amaysing so passionate with the instrument so stop talking **** about him, well maybe you talk **** cause you are jelouss he played that good and you suck playing hahahahha

Ouch. Your poor use of the English language hurts me deeply. Please do the world a favor and hammer a railroad spike into your face with a sledgehammer. If you don't, I'll be happy to do it for you!

Anyway, I believe Hendrix was great in that he was really, really fucking creative and played with a rediculous amount of emotion. However, in no way is he really the best, no matter how much Rolling Stone magazine shoves it down our throats. The man obviously, like every other guitarist, had his flaws; I happen to think he was pretty sloppy (not as bad as Page, but still, pretty sloppy). But you gotta admit, to do all those chord changes and play all those licks while singing lead, you have to be damn good.

However, he does have a very large legion of overzealous fans (like this guy) who never shut the hell up about him and obsess over him night and day. And those people deserve a kick in the nuts.

So, Hendrix gets the respect of The Ziggy. That fucker up there does not.

[Maet]

You don't put the same feeling an emotion into your playing. And don't try and argue that you do because if you do you're wrong.

So don't try.

Because you'd be wrong.

End of argument.

You can't measure emotion in music because there is no emotion in music. Simple as that. Talk to Prophet of Page if you'd like to understand.

He makes his arguements far better than I can make them for him. :)

[guitarhero?]

Listen to Band of Gypsys - he may not be THE best but this album proves how amazing hendrix is

[benyard123]

Listen to Band of Gypsys - he may not be THE best but this album proves how amazing hendrix is
You damn straight! There is no "best". All you have to look at is what came before and what came after and you will see. Leonardo Devinci was not the best but he stood on the edge of the dark ages and led us into the renaissance. Before Jimi we had surfer music and that rockabilly **** for our guitar heroes. There is not an aspiring player out there there that hasn't tried to play Hendrix. All of these people that want to trash him should write all of there heroes and ask them what they think about Jimi then they might understand. Jimi was and is and always will be the man.

[catapat]

Hendricks was one of many,anything done today will be old tomorrow.It blows me away that just when you think you have seen it all the barrier is broken.The guitar in itself has not reached its full potential yet.Why go thru all this whos the best? Try being grateful we have had a chance to enjoy each others talents.Hendricks had his time in the sun and its our loss he couldnt have stayed longer.enjoy and support them while there here.He was one who got to shine others with just as much and even more talent will never reach thier full potential the reason we are all here is our love of music and creativity to bad we all cant have an appointment with destiny just my view why criticise if its not your cup of tea no big deal your still as important as the next person.have you ever noticed there doesnt seem to be a lot of back biting or racism among artists hey im rooting for each and every one of you and if fate should shine on me support me root for me dont pull me down because i will be trying to pull you up thanks

[SomeEvilDude]

Hendricks was one of many,anything done today will be old tomorrow.It blows me away that just when you think you have seen it all the barrier is broken.The guitar in itself has not reached its full potential yet.Why go thru all this whos the best? Try being grateful we have had a chance to enjoy each others talents.Hendricks had his time in the sun and its our loss he couldnt have stayed longer.enjoy and support them while there here.He was one who got to shine others with just as much and even more talent will never reach thier full potential the reason we are all here is our love of music and creativity to bad we all cant have an appointment with destiny just my view why criticise if its not your cup of tea no big deal your still as important as the next person.have you ever noticed there doesnt seem to be a lot of back biting or racism among artists hey im rooting for each and every one of you and if fate should shine on me support me root for me dont pull me down because i will be trying to pull you up thanks

Hendrix. ;)

[chopps00]

Well...the typo really wasn't the focus of my point ;)


EDIT: chopps....who was that directed to?

Anybody who is saying they don't think he is the best. The best is a matter of opinion, and mine is he is the best. This video convinced me.

I'm sick of this argument. I don't care if you think Jimi was or wasn't the best, people. Deep in my heart, I know he is.

[thebrewfan]

You can't measure emotion in music because there is no emotion in music. Simple as that. Talk to Prophet of Page if you'd like to understand.

He makes his arguements far better than I can make them for him. :)


There is emotion in music, the feeling in which the notes are played or sung shows through the music. Listen to Yngwie and Hendrix back to back and you can tell a difference. However if you really can not hear the emotion in music please stop playing music for everyone elses sake :) .

[fr0zt]

Ouch. Your poor use of the English language hurts me deeply. Please do the world a favor and hammer a railroad spike into your face with a sledgehammer. If you don't, I'll be happy to do it for you!


Pathetic threats over the internet, jokingly or not, make your argument that much more mindnumbingly stupid to read. Keep that in mind for the next time you try a feeble attempt at writing something half-interesting.

[TheUltimateSin]

There is emotion in music

No. There isn't.

Sorry to break it to you :)

And how dare you compare Hendrix to Yngwie. Shame on you :no:

[SomeEvilDude]

There is emotion in music, the feeling in which the notes are played or sung shows through the music. Listen to Yngwie and Hendrix back to back and you can tell a difference. However if you really can not hear the emotion in music please stop playing music for everyone elses sake :) .

No, artists play the notes with a certain feeling in mind, and the listeners hear the notes with a certain feeling in mind. The notes evoke feelings in the person. The notes themselves, and therefore the music itself, does not carry emotion. They are soundwaves, the 'emotion' comes from what those soundwaves evoke in you, they are not carried in the soundwaves themselves.

Good day. :)

[fr0zt]

No. There isn't.

Sorry to break it to you :)

And how dare you compare Hendrix to Yngwie. Shame on you :no:

I know. Yngwie is garbage.

[TheUltimateSin]

I know. Yngwie is garbage.

No. That was not what was being implied. Hendrix and Yngwie play two completely different styles of music. You can not compare them.


And as far as my opinion goes, Yngwie > Hendrix.

But that is besides the point. the point is, Re:first paragraph

[fr0zt]

No. That was not what was being implied. Hendrix and Yngwie play two completely different styles of music. You can not compare them.


And as far as my opinion goes, Yngwie > Hendrix.

But that is besides the point. the point is, Re:first paragraph

lol, I knew that's what you meant, im just messing around

[TheUltimateSin]

lol, I knew that's what you meant, im just messing around

Don't do that :p:

It's too early in the morning for that

[thebrewfan]

No. There isn't.

Sorry to break it to you :)

And how dare you compare Hendrix to Yngwie. Shame on you :no:


Yngwie sucks. There is emotion is music. Many bands don't really get the concept of using the music to express the emotion, and apparently so do you.

[thebrewfan]

No. That was not what was being implied. Hendrix and Yngwie play two completely different styles of music. You can not compare them.


And as far as my opinion goes, Yngwie > Hendrix.

But that is besides the point. the point is, Re:first paragraph


Fine I'll put it this way, shred sucks. The music is fast and lifeless. End of story.

[Maet]

Yngwie sucks. There is emotion is music. Many bands don't really get the concept of using the music to express the emotion, and apparently so do you.

Are you fucking kidding me? Music is used primarily to evoke emotion, not to convey it directly. That's what all bands try to do.

Music, in it's purest form, is nothing more than a collection of sounds arranged appealingly. :rolleyes:

[TheUltimateSin]

Yngwie sucks. There is emotion is music. Many bands don't really get the concept of using the music to express the emotion, and apparently so do you.

Fine I'll put it this way, shred sucks. The music is fast and lifeless. End of story.

Setting aside your ignorant idea of what shred is for now, I'll put this in words even YOU can undertand.

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

Music does not have emotion. Emotion is a feeling that only living beings can possess. Music is an arrangement of noises. Noises are not living beings, they are sounds. Therefore, music can not have emotion.

[farcry]

don't compare Jimi to anyone to see who is the best. Only know that he was good and that he is not the only one who was good, it's the way he wanted us to think of music. Music is art, there is no such thing as better , only good.

[benyard123]

There is emotion in music, the feeling in which the notes are played or sung shows through the music. Listen to Yngwie and Hendrix back to back and you can tell a difference. However if you really can not hear the emotion in music please stop playing music for everyone elses sake :) .
Don't worry about them Dude, If they don't hear emotion in music then there is no way they will ever produce it. The biggest problem with these guys is they just don't feel too good because they walk around with a dictionary shoved up there asses. I think that's why to them music is just noises. Music is just noise? How ****ing pathetic. Follow you heart and **** them.

[farcry]

music is just noises is kind of an ignorant to say, it takes the meaning out of the existance of the music. Music is a creation of humanity and is in every way a reflection of humanity, it is feeling without words.

[psychodelia]

The emotion is in the listener, not the music. A piece of music that produces an emotional response in you might have a completely different effect on another person, or no effect at all.

There are certain factors that make it more likely that a certain mood can be brought out: spaivxx did a good article on the subject that anyone interested in the emotion arguement should read: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377401

However, the fact still remains that music does not produce the same emotional responses in everyone. There are people who find that Yngwie produces a more emotional response in them than Hendrix does. I am one of them. To say that your music contains more emotion than another person's favorite music is biased, elitist, and ignorant.

[TheUltimateSin]

Don't worry about them Dude, If they don't hear emotion in music then there is no way they will ever produce it. The biggest problem with these guys is they just don't feel too good because they walk around with a dictionary shoved up there asses. I think that's why to them music is just noises. Music is just noise? How ****ing pathetic. Follow you heart and **** them.

Dictionary up my ass? Are you fucking kidding me? two words: Common Sense.

If I wanted to break out the dictionary definition of "emotion", I would have. But rather, I explained it in the way that normal people with above room-temperature intelligence know it as. You obviously do not fall into that catagory if you think that music can have emotion. You are far stupider. Seeing as you fail to accept logic and reasoning, nevermind common sense, there is no point trying to explain this to you anymore because your head is so far up your ass you fail to accept the truth.

music is just noises is kind of an ignorant to say, it takes the meaning out of the existance of the music. Music is a creation of humanity and is in every way a reflection of humanity, it is feeling without words.

Well, in all fairness, that's what music is: an arrangement of noises. That is why some things are not music to some people but are to others. It's where the saying "music to my ears" comes from and centers around ;)

^And basically everything psychodelia said.

[rx_eb]

Are you fucking kidding me? Music is used primarily to evoke emotion, not to convey it directly. That's what all bands try to do

All? all?

:haha

do you personally know all bands or have listened to all bands to come up with that generalization?

:rolleyes: i'm seriously skeptical of that

Music does not have emotion. Emotion is a feeling that only living beings can possess. Music is an arrangement of noises. Noises are not living beings, they are sounds. Therefore, music can not have emotion.

;) that, even thought may sound logical to some, is not a fact. and apparently it's just what you think.

you can take it literally if you want. you can say emotion is a feeling that only living beings can possess if you like. nobody cares. but please don't start getting overly uptight at people who have different opinions than your own, and making a longass rant (like this one :o ) with such patronising tone. we don't insult people to prove our points. that's just not right. :rolleyes:

well i think that music does have emotion. because music, in my opinion, is not just an arrangement of noises like what you said, may also be the figuration, the metonymy of its creator. so i'd like to say once more, metaphorically it does have emotion. what are gonna do about it?

:)

/waffle

:p:

[TheUltimateSin]

^That's very intersting and all, but my saying music doesn't have emotion is not an opinion. It is a fact. It's really all that simple. And "music is not an arrangement of noise"? How do you figure that? Last I checked, music was in fact an arrangement of noises. ;)

Please understand this: my entire "ranting" was not centered around an opinion. I don't argue about opinions like that. You'll notice that I set aside thebrewfan's opinion that Yngwie sucked, because it was infact an opinion and there was no logical reason for me to try and disprove or argue it. It's ok if he thinks Yngwie sucks.

What's not ok is the ludicrous idea that people have that music contains emotion. Sure, the player can play with emotion, but that does not give the music itself emotion. Emotion is a human(for the sake of this point) feeling that is evoked by an outer stimulous. Music is not affected by other stimulous. It is noise. That noise happens to evoke emotion in certain people, which is why certain people think certian sounds are music. What is music and what is not, of course, is a matter of opinion. There could be a person that thinks the sound of a jackhammer is music. It's not my place to argue that with them because that is just how they feel. But music itself can not have emotion.

[thebrewfan]

Don't worry about them Dude, If they don't hear emotion in music then there is no way they will ever produce it. The biggest problem with these guys is they just don't feel too good because they walk around with a dictionary shoved up there asses. I think that's why to them music is just noises. Music is just noise? How ****ing pathetic. Follow you heart and **** them.

**** yeah man

[thebrewfan]

^That's very intersting and all, but my saying music doesn't have emotion is not an opinion. It is a fact. It's really all that simple. And "music is not an arrangement of noise"? How do you figure that? Last I checked, music was in fact an arrangement of noises. ;)

Please understand this: my entire "ranting" was not centered around an opinion. I don't argue about opinions like that. You'll notice that I set aside thebrewfan's opinion that Yngwie sucked, because it was infact an opinion and there was no logical reason for me to try and disprove or argue it. It's ok if he thinks Yngwie sucks.

What's not ok is the ludicrous idea that people have that music contains emotion. Sure, the player can play with emotion, but that does not give the music itself emotion. Emotion is a human(for the sake of this point) feeling that is evoked by an outer stimulous. Music is not affected by other stimulous. It is noise. That noise happens to evoke emotion in certain people, which is why certain people think certian sounds are music. What is music and what is not, of course, is a matter of opinion. There could be a person that thinks the sound of a jackhammer is music. It's not my place to argue that with them because that is just how they feel. But music itself can not have emotion.



Ok scientificly there is no emotion in music. However I believe you are missing a big part of this. When Hendrix played he put how he was feeling into the music. This effected his choice of notes, the way he played the strings, bends, there is a lot of emotion in music and I feel very sorry for you if you can't see that.

[Maet]

All? all?

:haha

do you personally know all bands or have listened to all bands to come up with that generalization?

:rolleyes: i'm seriously skeptical of that

Your sketicism is founded, but it still stands as a fairly accurate generalization. All music affects all people in one way or another. I don't think you have to listen to all pieces of music by all bands and artists ever to know that.

I still stand by my statement that music evokes emotion and doesn't convey it directly. :)

[thebrewfan]

The emotion is in the listener, not the music. A piece of music that produces an emotional response in you might have a completely different effect on another person, or no effect at all.

There are certain factors that make it more likely that a certain mood can be brought out: spaivxx did a good article on the subject that anyone interested in the emotion arguement should read: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377401

However, the fact still remains that music does not produce the same emotional responses in everyone. There are people who find that Yngwie produces a more emotional response in them than Hendrix does. I am one of them. To say that your music contains more emotion than another person's favorite music is biased, elitist, and ignorant.

Listen to Voodoo Child (not slight return the really long blues jam on Electric Ladyland, if you still think theres no emotion in music, sell you're instruments because the music you probably make is totally lacking everything good about music.)

[Maet]

Listen to Voodoo Child (not slight return the really long blues jam on Electric Ladyland, if you still think theres no emotion in music, sell you're instruments because the music you probably make is totally lacking everything good about music.)

Why are you still here? :confused:

[TheUltimateSin]

Ok scientificly there is no emotion in music. However I believe you are missing a big part of this. When Hendrix played he put how he was feeling into the music. This effected his choice of notes, the way he played the strings, bends, there is a lot of emotion in music and I feel very sorry for you if you can't see that.

You don't get it, do you? Re-read what I said. If you still don't understand, then you are choosing to regect logic and reason completely and accept your own ignorance to the facts and general stupidity.

Feel sorry for me? No. I feel sorry for you if you choose to be blind to the facts.

[thebrewfan]

Are you fucking kidding me? Music is used primarily to evoke emotion, not to convey it directly. That's what all bands try to do.

Music, in it's purest form, is nothing more than a collection of sounds arranged appealingly. :rolleyes:


Yngwie doesn't try to, Yngwie tries to play as many notes as he can as fast as he can.

[TheUltimateSin]

Yngwie doesn't try to, Yngwie tries to play as many notes as he can as fast as he can.

You've obviously never even listened to him, or you would not have said something as stupid as that.

Fuck off, now.

[psychodelia]

Listen to Voodoo Child (not slight return the really long blues jam on Electric Ladyland, if you still think theres no emotion in music, sell you're instruments because the music you probably make is totally lacking everything good about music.)

So anyone without the same taste in music as yourself is unable to play? Please, grow up.

[HeartInACage]

You've obviously never even listened to him, or you would not have said something as stupid as that.

Fuck off, now.


Alright you piece of sh!t, Yngwie is a tool, everyone knows he a tool, and he certainly does not express emotion in his music. Jimi Hendrix however, does. Just look at his face and youll see instantly theres nothing else in his mind other than the music hes playing, and nothing hed rather be doing. Yngwie looks like hes about to take a sh!t and that hes trying to...play as fast as he can. And youre whole "You've obviously never even listened to him" is bull**** because I have, so really, what the hell are you gonna say next? YOu obviously dont understand him? No dude, I understand hes a fvcking retard who plays a quickly as possible, regardless of how it sounds. Yes i understand music, and yes I understand hes an idiot. Try to make an argument next time you fvcking waste of space instead of just throwing lame excuses. Either that or suck face with a revolver and just make it easier on the rest of us.

[thebrewfan]

You've obviously never even listened to him, or you would not have said something as stupid as that.

Fuck off, now.


Actually I have listened to him, its garbage. Egotistical garbage.

[TheUltimateSin]

Alright you piece of sh!t, Yngwie is a tool, everyone knows he a tool, and he certainly does not express emotion in his music. Jimi Hendrix however, does. Just look at his face and youll see instantly theres nothing else in his mind other than the music hes playing, and nothing hed rather be doing. Yngwie looks like hes about to take a sh!t and that hes trying to...play as fast as he can. And youre whole "You've obviously never even listened to him" is bull**** because I have, so really, what the hell are you gonna say next? YOu obviously dont understand him? No dude, I understand hes a fvcking retard who plays a quickly as possible, regardless of how it sounds. Yes i understand music, and yes I understand hes an idiot. Try to make an argument next time you fvcking waste of space instead of just throwing lame excuses. Either that or suck face with a revolver and just make it easier on the rest of us.

Do you feel better now? It must be hard to admit your a complete idiot like that, but I see you put a lot of work and effort into it. :)

[Maet]

Alright you piece of sh!t, Yngwie is a tool, everyone knows he a tool, and he certainly does not express emotion in his music. Jimi Hendrix however, does. Just look at his face and youll see instantly theres nothing else in his mind other than the music hes playing, and nothing hed rather be doing. Yngwie looks like hes about to take a sh!t and that hes trying to...play as fast as he can. And youre whole "You've obviously never even listened to him" is bull**** because I have, so really, what the hell are you gonna say next? YOu obviously dont understand him? No dude, I understand hes a fvcking retard who plays a quickly as possible, regardless of how it sounds. Yes i understand music, and yes I understand hes an idiot. Try to make an argument next time you fvcking waste of space instead of just throwing lame excuses. Either that or suck face with a revolver and just make it easier on the rest of us.

You made no arguement, or no contribution to an arguement whatsoever. All you just did was make a lame rant about how you have a superiority complex.

Thanks for bringing absolutely nothing to the table, except for a steaming heap of idiocy.

[thebrewfan]

So anyone without the same taste in music as yourself is unable to play? Please, grow up.


No, anyone who doesn't bring emotion into their music shouldn't be able to play. I hate emo but at least that has more emotion in it (whether its fake or not). Emo sucks but at least it has more emotion then most shred music. Of course there are some exceptions, however Yngwie is not one of them.

[HeartInACage]

Do you feel better now? It must be hard to admit your a complete idiot like that, but I see you put a lot of work and effort into it. :)


Thats called having the skill of a 5 year old. Instead of actually arguing your point, you realize you just got schooled, so you try to turn the tables and use the EXACT SAME insult i just used. "IT MUST BE HARD TO ADMIT HOW LAME YOU ARE!" Yeah maybe thatd sound cool if i were in the 4th grade.

Im really not wasting any more time ruining whats left of your self esteem, cause clearly you cant even defend yourself. What a shame.

[TheUltimateSin]

No, anyone who doesn't bring emotion into their music shouldn't be able to play. I hate emo but at least that has more emotion in it (whether its fake or not). Emo sucks but at least it has more emotion then most shred music. Of course there are some exceptions, however Yngwie is not one of them.

That just validated that not only do you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but that you are a complete moron. Congratulations. :)

[TheUltimateSin]

Thats called having the skill of a 5 year old. Instead of actually arguing your point, you realize you just got schooled, so you try to turn the tables and use the EXACT SAME insult i just used. "IT MUST BE HARD TO ADMIT HOW LAME YOU ARE!" Yeah maybe thatd sound cool if i were in the 4th grade.

Im really not wasting any more time ruining whats left of your self esteem, cause clearly you cant even defend yourself. What a shame.

Re:Maet's post before yours.

[thebrewfan]

That just validated that not only do you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but that you are a complete moron. Congratulations. :)


How did I do that, I never said emo was good, I just said that at least it has some emotion, actually I like shred more then emo, shred puts me sleep, emo makes me want to kill myself. Sleep= good. Death= bad.

[HeartInACage]

Re:Maet's post before yours.


Yeah i did. Ive made no contribution. Thats very true.
ALthough its incredibley stupid for you to quote him, considering your last 7 posts have been nothing other than staving off the attacks on your asinine comments. Sooo really, Id check out maets post once more as well.

And to actually contribute: Yes theres emotion in music. The notes themselvs convey no emotion, but the player themselves putting HIS emotion into the song is what gives the song emotion. If you listen to shred, which you clearly do, its no suprise you hear no emotion: they play with no emotion. Listen to music where it actually means something to the artist, and youll hear the emotion we speak of. So really, if you singularly listen to shred, you cant even begin to argue theres no emotion because you have nothing to base that off of.

Also dude, atleast try to respond with an intelligent argument instead of "wow I listen to metal too so your a fvking idiot cause theres no emotion in music!"

[Maet]

The player has emotion. The audience has emotion. The music does not have emotion. That simple.

The player and the instruments are mediums. They're tools. They do what they can with what they're given in order to try and convey the message they want to their audience. Music is a media. A format. That's all it is.

To say there is emotion in music is like saying there is emotion in paint splatters and brushstrokes or the written word or even this text and font.

[TheUltimateSin]

Yeah i did. Ive made no contribution. Thats very true.
ALthough its incredibley stupid for you to quote him, considering your last 7 posts have been nothing other than staving off the attacks on your asinine comments. Sooo really, Id check out maets post once more as well.

And to actually contribute: Yes theres emotion in music. The notes themselvs convey no emotion, but the player themselves putting HIS emotion into the song is what gives the song emotion. If you listen to shred, which you clearly do, its no suprise you hear no emotion: they play with no emotion. Listen to music where it actually means something to the artist, and youll hear the emotion we speak of. So really, if you singularly listen to shred, you cant even begin to argue theres no emotion because you have nothing to base that off of.

Also dude, atleast try to respond with an intelligent argument instead of "wow I listen to metal too so your a fvking idiot cause theres no emotion in music!"

No wonder it's a stereotype that new users are complete idiots.

Also, I stopped responding using intelligence and logic because you and others have failed to accept intelligence and logic(which were presenting facts). Thus, there is no point in beating a dead horse with a stick. And where did I say "wow I listen to metal too so your a fvking idiot cause theres no emotion in music!"? I don't recall saying that. I remember presenting the facts as to why there is no emotion in music, but I don't remember saying it anything to do with me liking metal, or shred for that matter.

And these shred-based bashes about emotion are getting old, and are quite stupid. You are only showing how stupid, and mature, you really are by using them. Playing with emotion does not equal music having it. If you are too thick to understand that, well....there is really nothing I cna do to help seeing as you, as I said, fail to accept logic(which is also common sense, something you obviously do not have appearently). The simple fact alone that you believe that shredders do not play with emotion shows your stupidity.

Thus, I see no reason to take you seriously, seeing as that it is obvious that your testicles have not yet dropped and your not yet above room-temperature intelligence. When both of these things happen, please feel free to try making a decent contribution again.

[thebrewfan]

The player has emotion. The audience has emotion. The music does not have emotion. That simple.

The player and the instruments are mediums. They're tools. They do what they can with what they're given in order to try and convey the message they want to their audience. Music is a media. A format. That's all it is.

To say there is emotion in music is like saying there is emotion in paint splatters and brushstrokes or the written word or even this text and font.


Ok I will tell you this one last time. WE KNOW THERE IS NO EMOTION IN THE NOTES. The way the notes are played however, the emotion of the player, effects the music. It might not be the actual notes themselves, but the speed at which he bends notes or plays is effected. This is all very subtle and people don't usually notice. However Yngwie, along with many other shredders, don't do this. THAT is my point.

[Maet]

Ok I will tell you this one last time. WE KNOW THERE IS NO EMOTION IN THE NOTES. The way the notes are played however, the emotion of the player, effects the music. It might not be the actual notes themselves, but the speed at which he bends notes or plays is effected. This is all very subtle and people don't usually notice. However Yngwie, along with many other shredders, don't do this. THAT is my point.

Umm... no.

There's no 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts' about it. I don't care how many notes you can play in a second, or how few you play in ten minutes. I don't care have fast or slow your vibrato is, how good your composition is, how technically proficient or sloppy your musicianship is, or how good your dynamics are or how you play in general. There is no emotion in music period. Nothing you or anyone does changes that. There are no exceptions. Hendrix has the same amount of emotion in his music as any guitarist does (yes, even Yngwie) or any musician, and that's a big fat zero.

You claim to know that, but yet you keep on making half assed reasons and excuses and it's still not getting through.

How responsive you are to a person's music is completely subjective, but that's not why we're hear now, is it?

[fr0zt]

The player has emotion. The audience has emotion. The music does not have emotion. That simple.

The player and the instruments are mediums. They're tools. They do what they can with what they're given in order to try and convey the message they want to their audience. Music is a media. A format. That's all it is.

To say there is emotion in music is like saying there is emotion in paint splatters and brushstrokes or the written word or even this text and font.

I see that you've never studied free-form jazz. (which is completely fine. it's not everyone's thing)

If you look at music as a format, why be a musician? Music is freedom of expression. Thus, music has no format. It's standards, history and trends that define the format for today's music to be based upon, such as chord progressions, dynamics, scales, rhythm, harmony, melody.

In other words, there is an indefinable amount of different chord progressions, scales, rhythms, harmonies, and melodies you can use for a song. Therefore, music has no format. The format we know today is what we created over thousands of years. Compare music to the universe. There are no limits or boundries.

What you guys are talking about is popular music. The popular music we've come to know today, is based actually on just a few chord progressions and has very strict limits. (this is also where some emotion comes in)

Get into learning jazz progressions and see how limitless music can be. For you to hear every possible chord progression would take infinite amount of time. Throw in those other properties of music

Also, of course there isn't emotion in music, it's the way we perceive it that gives it it's emotion.

And of course an Am chord has no emotion. It is just a few notes strummed together to play a sound (agreeing with what your saying). But, here's the catch. When you hear a minor chord strummed, you know it's sadder/angrier sounding than a major chord. Again, we perceive it to have emotion, and therefore the argument doesn't matter.

Saying music doesn't have emotion is the same as saying there are no such thing as leaves being green. We perceive a leaf to be green, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're green. Colors are something that humans have come to know over time. Same thing with emotion in music. So what you're saying is technically right, but doesn't matter.

While I agree that music doesn't have emotion in itself, we listen to it and can hear emotion, so it doesn't matter. Also, it's blasphemy to say music is just a format because of how limitless it really is. (Edit) Music is only as limited as we make it.

(think Avant-garde)

Good thoughts and topic though :). My head hurts.

[Maet]

I agree with you 100%. The effectiveness of everything relies solely on our perceptions of it. No arguements there. Whether it's music, visual arts, or colours.

Format probably wasn't the word I was looking for though. You got me there. :)
:cheers:

[HeartInACage]

^^^ WOW you said it all man, thank you. EDIT: Not to maets, as for some reason he agreed with the post saying music has emotion?
'And to maets: what a depressing way to live. Why do you play guitar at all?

AAnnnd to douchebag ultimatesin: No wonder it's a stereotype that new users are complete idiots.
haha wow, your right, ive spent more of my time playing music than complaining about it. Damn shame really. I should all day posting about music I dont like because Im pissed that Ive spent the last year posting over 2000 posts instead of actually spending my time playing music with friends.

[fr0zt]

I agree with you 100%. The effectiveness of everything relies solely on our perceptions of it. No arguements there. Whether it's music, visual arts, or colours.

Format probably wasn't the word I was looking for though. You got me there. :)
:cheers:

Hope I didn't sound like I was talking down to you there. All of our opinions matter here :)

Frank Zappa is good to study in this case, because he did both sides of the spectrum and inbetween: from tightly defined (straight 12-bar Blues), in between (Jazz and Jazz-Rock) and infinitely broad (Avant-garde).

Edit: I think the bottom line for this thread is that there are a difference in opinions on Jimi Hendrix. Nothing else. That is something we can all agree upon.

BTW, I think the same thing can be applied toward "good" music. Good music isn't there, it's what we like. Classic rock sucks to one person and another person loves it (This is the irony my UG "title" has, lol). That's perfectly fine though because otherwise music wouldn't be limitless. It's way too complex to analyze, theres a lot to learn about music.

:cheers:

[thebrewfan]

Umm... no.

There's no 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts' about it. I don't care how many notes you can play in a second, or how few you play in ten minutes. I don't care have fast or slow your vibrato is, how good your composition is, how technically proficient or sloppy your musicianship is, or how good your dynamics are or how you play in general. There is no emotion in music period. Nothing you or anyone does changes that. There are no exceptions. Hendrix has the same amount of emotion in his music as any guitarist does (yes, even Yngwie) or any musician, and that's a big fat zero.

You claim to know that, but yet you keep on making half assed reasons and excuses and it's still not getting through.

How responsive you are to a person's music is completely subjective, but that's not why we're hear now, is it?


The emotion of the player does show through in the music. You play differently depending on how you're feeling thus the music sounds different. I'm done posting here so you can make your post and says "THERES NO EMOTION IN MUSIC AHHHHH" but I'm not responding.

[Ziggy193]

The player has emotion. The audience has emotion. The music does not have emotion. That simple.

The player and the instruments are mediums. They're tools. They do what they can with what they're given in order to try and convey the message they want to their audience. Music is a media. A format. That's all it is.

To say there is emotion in music is like saying there is emotion in paint splatters and brushstrokes or the written word or even this text and font.

Even though I really have nothing to do with this argument, it's kinda pissing me off, so I think I'll just jump in uninvited.

I'm gonna have to agree with Maet and TheUltimateSin on this. Music does not contain emotion, because music is a progression of soundwaves, which cannot contain emotion. It's physically impossible. Now, you can still say that music has emotion, but in a different sense: There's emotion in how the music is written, there's emotion in how it's played, music expresses emotion, and music evokes emotion. That's all true. But it does not literally contain emotion.

Besides, it's not like they're saying "MUSIC CONTAINS NO EMOTION IT'S MEANINGLESS AND LIFELESS AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR MUSIC TO EXIST!!!" like a stuck-up asshole. They're just saying that, while music has damn near everything to do with emotion (well, to me it does anyway), it does not literally contain it. Why can't you people just accept a scientific fact?

So how about thebrewfan and HeartInACage just shut up and admit to being wrong? Cause this thread's kind of shit right now.

[TheUltimateSin]

Annnd to douchebag ultimatesin: No wonder it's a stereotype that new users are complete idiots.
haha wow, your right, ive spent more of my time playing music than complaining about it. Damn shame really. I should all day posting about music I dont like because Im pissed that Ive spent the last year posting over 2000 posts instead of actually spending my time playing music with friends.

You know, it's funny how you act as though you know me personally. I'll let you in on a little something: All of the time I spend here is spare time that I have. I am very efficient in my every-day life at getting done what I need to get done, so I actually have this kind of spare time. ;)

Well, seeing as how you refuse to accept the truth, I'll stop trying to show it to you. When you are ready to accept reality and how things work, and mature enough to admit when you are wrong, I'll be here to help you :)

[fr0zt]

So how about thebrewfan and HeartInACage just shut up and admit to being wrong? Cause this thread's kind of shit right now.

But sir, no one is wrong. This issue is all perspective as i described above. The only ones who are wrong are the ones who don't respect other's opinions as both sides of the argument. You may think music is meaningless sounds in technical talk, others may think music has emotion since it was discovered. This isn't directed only to you (it might not be at all), but too many people in the world can't accept two opposing points of view to be credible ones. Everyone has their own bias. Take any Social Problems course in college, and that's the first thing they will tell you.

(yes it's very **** right now, and we should move on)

[Ziggy193]

^^Well, what I meant was, they keep trying to say that music literally does contain emotion, which of course it doesn't, that's impossible. You're right, they are entitled to their opinion, and I do agree that music does contain emotion, but in a figurative sense (I guess that's how you could say it, I'm not sure...). But music does not literally, physically contain emotion, and those two were wrong in that sense.

Right. So...let's all just shut up now. :peace:

[kshelt76]

OMG guys, like how can you even say that there is a guitarist that even, like, compares to Jimmy Hendricks. He's like the greatest thing ever. He played a righthanded guitar left handed. And to top it all off, the people who know a lot more about music than we ever will, you know those cool dudes over at Rolling Stone, rated him the best. Are you, like, calling them idiots or something?


Excuse me while I kiss the sky.

[thebrewfan]

Even though I really have nothing to do with this argument, it's kinda pissing me off, so I think I'll just jump in uninvited.

I'm gonna have to agree with Maet and TheUltimateSin on this. Music does not contain emotion, because music is a progression of soundwaves, which cannot contain emotion. It's physically impossible. Now, you can still say that music has emotion, but in a different sense: There's emotion in how the music is written, there's emotion in how it's played, music expresses emotion, and music evokes emotion. That's all true. But it does not literally contain emotion.

Besides, it's not like they're saying "MUSIC CONTAINS NO EMOTION IT'S MEANINGLESS AND LIFELESS AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR MUSIC TO EXIST!!!" like a stuck-up asshole. They're just saying that, while music has damn near everything to do with emotion (well, to me it does anyway), it does not literally contain it. Why can't you people just accept a scientific fact?

So how about thebrewfan and HeartInACage just shut up and admit to being wrong? Cause this thread's kind of shit right now.


Ok i wasn't going to respond but since you have to be a douche bag about this, I'm going to. For what I hope is the last time, I know music itself doesn't contain emotion. However, my point is that there is emotion in how its played which is ultimately going to effect the music itself.

[thebrewfan]

You know, it's funny how you act as though you know me personally. I'll let you in on a little something: All of the time I spend here is spare time that I have. I am very efficient in my every-day life at getting done what I need to get done, so I actually have this kind of spare time. ;)

Well, seeing as how you refuse to accept the truth, I'll stop trying to show it to you. When you are ready to accept reality and how things work, and mature enough to admit when you are wrong, I'll be here to help you :)

Ok I bolded what I'm going to comment on here. You could spend more of your spare playing guitar and less getting your comments up to 2000 or more. And once again we agree that there is no emotion in the music itself but the emotion in the way its played is obviously gonna effect the way the music sounds.

[TheUltimateSin]

Ok I bolded what I'm going to comment on here. You could spend more of your spare playing guitar and less getting your comments up to 2000 or more. And once again we agree that there is no emotion in the music itself but the emotion in the way its played is obviously gonna effect the way the music sounds.

What do you think spare time is for? Maybe you should have read the rest of the post . I spend plenty of time playing guitar. I won't sugarcoat it either: I suck. Big deal. I need to practice, I know that already. I also need to take lessons.

Any other pearls of wisdom?

[rx_eb]

^That's very intersting and all, but my saying music doesn't have emotion is not an opinion. It is a fact. It's really all that simple. And "music is not an arrangement of noise"? How do you figure that? Last I checked, music was in fact an arrangement of noises. ;)

Please understand this: my entire "ranting" was not centered around an opinion. I don't argue about opinions like that. You'll notice that I set aside thebrewfan's opinion that Yngwie sucked, because it was infact an opinion and there was no logical reason for me to try and disprove or argue it. It's ok if he thinks Yngwie sucks.

What's not ok is the ludicrous idea that people have that music contains emotion. Sure, the player can play with emotion, but that does not give the music itself emotion. Emotion is a human(for the sake of this point) feeling that is evoked by an outer stimulous. Music is not affected by other stimulous. It is noise. That noise happens to evoke emotion in certain people, which is why certain people think certian sounds are music. What is music and what is not, of course, is a matter of opinion. There could be a person that thinks the sound of a jackhammer is music. It's not my place to argue that with them because that is just how they feel. But music itself can not have emotion.

aight aight
perhaps i was wrong but i don't care if i was wrong or not :D

I still stand by my statement that music evokes emotion and doesn't convey it directly. :)

i personally, dont completely agree with than but anyway you think what you think

:)

man it's like impossible to have discussions with both TheUltimateSin and Maet at the same time. you'd go insane.

:haha

and uh HeartInACage and thebrewfan, please just shut up. you can either admit that you're wrong or get the fuck out of this thread :)

[rx_eb]

Any other pearls of wisdom?

me me

i think you have too much free time on your hand :D

[TheUltimateSin]

me me

i think you have too much free time on your hand :D

I'd probably have to agree with you there :p:


man it's like impossible to have discussions with both TheUltimateSin and Maet at the same time. you'd go insane.

:haha

Hmm...here too :p:

[fr0zt]

So anyway, on the topic of Jimi...

He may or may not be the best, but he definitely inspired most of the best. Ironic?

[kshelt76]

Alright you piece of sh!t, Yngwie is a tool, everyone knows he a tool, and he certainly does not express emotion in his music. Jimi Hendrix however, does. Just look at his face and youll see instantly theres nothing else in his mind other than the music hes playing, and nothing hed rather be doing. Yngwie looks like hes about to take a sh!t and that hes trying to...play as fast as he can.

You sure Jimi's face is showing emotion, or is it showing how blitzed he is from all the pot he was smoking before hitting the stage. Come on, it's not hard to show some emotion when you're baked out of reality. And as to the conversation of whether there is emotion in music, I've done some serious thinking(I read this post earlier today and have returned to make my statements). I have to agree with Maet. There is no emotion in the notes. The sound, arrangement, and tempo of the music evokes a certain emotion. Just like if I was talking to you. If I was talking in a calm, normal voice or if I was yelling and ranting, then you would be able to tell a difference in my emotion. Not because the actual sound of the words carries the emotion to you, but because as people we associate loud sounds with anger. A minor chord, in of itself, is not sad or depressing. It is not an entity that is capable of a sad emotion. But when we hear it, the sound evokes a certain emotion in us. Vice versa, major chords aren't happy, but their sound is lighter and higher and therefore, when our minds register it we believe them to be happier sounds. Tritones were once banned by musicians because they believed them to be evil sounding. Now does that mean that Satan himself created a whole interval of notes to mess with people's heads? No, the notes themselves aren't evil, but when people heard them, they associated them with evil.

And finally, in defense of Ultimate Sin, Brewfan, you've really hammered the poor guy for being on here so much, but it seems that you've been making posts on here all day, so isn't your point about wasting time kind of mute?

Oh and to your comments about shred sucking, now I'm not a huge shred fan mind you, but if you're looking for emotion, look no further than Steve Vai(shredder extraordinaire) who's music contains loads of conveyed emotion(check out Boston Rain Melody or Window to the Soul).

[Maet]

Hope I didn't sound like I was talking down to you there. All of our opinions matter here :)

Frank Zappa is good to study in this case, because he did both sides of the spectrum and inbetween: from tightly defined (straight 12-bar Blues), in between (Jazz and Jazz-Rock) and infinitely broad (Avant-garde).

Edit: I think the bottom line for this thread is that there are a difference in opinions on Jimi Hendrix. Nothing else. That is something we can all agree upon.

BTW, I think the same thing can be applied toward "good" music. Good music isn't there, it's what we like. Classic rock sucks to one person and another person loves it (This is the irony my UG "title" has, lol). That's perfectly fine though because otherwise music wouldn't be limitless. It's way too complex to analyze, theres a lot to learn about music.

:cheers:

I didn't take it aas derogatory in the least. Often times it takes another party to inadvertantley help another persons arguement I find. I'd say more, but the conflicts resolved (I hope) and I don't feel like riling anyone else up.

'And to maets: what a depressing way to live. Why do you play guitar at all?

Who said I play guitar? :rolleyes:

[thebrewfan]

What do you think spare time is for? Maybe you should have read the rest of the post . I spend plenty of time playing guitar. I won't sugarcoat it either: I suck. Big deal. I need to practice, I know that already. I also need to take lessons.

Any other pearls of wisdom?


If you suck, stop posting and start practicing.

[thebrewfan]

You sure Jimi's face is showing emotion, or is it showing how blitzed he is from all the pot he was smoking before hitting the stage. Come on, it's not hard to show some emotion when you're baked out of reality. And as to the conversation of whether there is emotion in music, I've done some serious thinking(I read this post earlier today and have returned to make my statements). I have to agree with Maet. There is no emotion in the notes. The sound, arrangement, and tempo of the music evokes a certain emotion. Just like if I was talking to you. If I was talking in a calm, normal voice or if I was yelling and ranting, then you would be able to tell a difference in my emotion. Not because the actual sound of the words carries the emotion to you, but because as people we associate loud sounds with anger. A minor chord, in of itself, is not sad or depressing. It is not an entity that is capable of a sad emotion. But when we hear it, the sound evokes a certain emotion in us. Vice versa, major chords aren't happy, but their sound is lighter and higher and therefore, when our minds register it we believe them to be happier sounds. Tritones were once banned by musicians because they believed them to be evil sounding. Now does that mean that Satan himself created a whole interval of notes to mess with people's heads? No, the notes themselves aren't evil, but when people heard them, they associated them with evil.

And finally, in defense of Ultimate Sin, Brewfan, you've really hammered the poor guy for being on here so much, but it seems that you've been making posts on here all day, so isn't your point about wasting time kind of mute?

Oh and to your comments about shred sucking, now I'm not a huge shred fan mind you, but if you're looking for emotion, look no further than Steve Vai(shredder extraordinaire) who's music contains loads of conveyed emotion(check out Boston Rain Melody or Window to the Soul).


I sit here with a guitar and practice with my band 3-4 times a week. I do this when I'm looking at tabs. Also if you look at the number of posts I have its below 500 and if you look at his its like 2000+.


Edit: I know Steve Vai is good, I did mention that there are some exceptions.

[TheUltimateSin]

Also if you look at the number of posts I have its below 500 and if you look at his its like 2000+.

I've also been here for over a year and a half and post frequently. :rolleyes:
Tis the idea of a message board

Just because I am quite active here means I do nothing else? Please. I have a full-time job. Just because you are unable to comprehend how I am able to manage my time and balance it out does not mean it does not work. It means you are either thinking too hard, or not hard enough.

[thebrewfan]

I've also been here for over a year and a half and post frequently. :rolleyes:
Tis the idea of a message board

Just because I am quite active here means I do nothing else? Please. I have a full-time job. Just because you are unable to comprehend how I am able to manage my time and balance it out does not mean it does not work. It means you are either thinking too hard, or not hard enough.


If you have a full time job thats cool, more then I can say. I don't work. I won't work. I make money through my band. My point is not what you do with most of you time but what you do with your free time. And I say again, stop posting and start practicing if you suck. Then you can be like me and not have to have a job.

[TheUltimateSin]

I'd rather not spam the thread anymore with this. I'm dropping it out to a pm.

[benyard123]

So anyway, on the topic of Jimi...

He may or may not be the best, but he definitely inspired most of the best. Ironic?
You think we could at least give him that. I know I'm going to start trouble here but I have to add, scales and dots on a page and the half steps and whole steps of instrument tones are not music. They don't do anything until the HUMAN part of the equation enters. It's the human that that uses emotion to take all of these things that are not music and make it music. Every artist in every art form uses the tools of his art to convey a message of emotion to others. The better he is at doing that then the greater the artist becomes. When they say music is just notes they fail to realize that notes are not music until some emotional human breaths life into them. They are not accepted unless the emotional masses understands what they were trying to say. Jimi was pure emotion and his acceptance proves it. Jimi was the man. Now I wait for sin to call me a moron and an idiot and how he's to busy to practice because of his paper route.

[TheUltimateSin]

Now I wait for sin to call me a moron and an idiot and how he's to busy to practice because of his paper route.

:confused: Where have you been? Do you know how to pay attention? We left that subject quite a while ago. Try to keep up, and please do grow up will you? ;)

[thebrewfan]

You think we could at least give him that. I know I'm going to start trouble here but I have to add, scales and dots on a page and the half steps and whole steps of instrument tones are not music. They don't do anything until the HUMAN part of the equation enters. It's the human that that uses emotion to take all of these things that are not music and make it music. Every artist in every art form uses the tools of his art to convey a message of emotion to others. The better he is at doing that then the greater the artist becomes. When they say music is just notes they fail to realize that notes are not music until some emotional human breaths life into them. They are not accepted unless the emotional masses understands what they were trying to say. Jimi was pure emotion and his acceptance proves it. Jimi was the man. Now I wait for sin to call me a moron and an idiot and how he's to busy to practice because of his paper route.


Dude, I agree with some stuff you said but that last bit was uncalled for, I never made fun of sin for having a job. I just said he should practice instead of post. Making fun of someone that contributes to society is kinda low. But I definitly agree with that. Maybe the music its self doesn't have emotion, but its the artists ability to convey emotion that makes them great. Jimi was the master of that.

[Ziggy193]

Maybe the music its self doesn't have emotion, but its the artists ability to convey emotion that makes them great. Jimi was the master of that.

That is very true.

Nice to see that argument really is over...it was taking up space.

[Jukebox Hero]

ok, time for my two cents worth, and this is my last post of the day, after midnight atm, and i apologize for any sloppiness?sp?. oh well. my opinion is jimihendrix is one of the greatest guitarists to ever live. i also think he was by far the best guitarist of his time, and the most influential guitarist. sure he was playing in the 50's and 60's...i think, but it took guitarists 10-20 years to catch up to him. now just imagine he was a clean person, no drugs booze or partying. imagine he came to a stage near you, at age 60-70, and had been playing guitar for 20 years before the guitarists you may think set the foundation, ie evh, clapton, santana, so on. can you imagine what he'd be doing? Can you imagin what the electric guitar will be playing in 20 years? Think about that before you respond, and then tell us he is a horrible guitar player.

any questions??? Thread starter, i hope i've answered your question

[kshelt76]

Ok, to say that Hendrix is one of the greatest is a statement that most people would probably allow you to say, just because of his innovations. But it seems that a lot of people think that he's the best because he revolutionized guitar. Without Hendrix, rock, as we know it today wouldn't have been created. Well that's just false. Yes, Hendrix did change guitar, but does that mean that without him, someone else wouldn't have? How do you know that at the same time, someone else wasn't out there experimenting with the same things as Hendrix, and he just beat them to it. Although Isaac Newton "created" calculus, there was a guy who, at the same time, on the other side of the world, had never heard of Newton or his work, and still generated the exact same laws and principles that Newton had. History only remembers Newton because he was English, and therefore, his name was better spread throughout the world. Now, the point to that story was to show that if two people, on opposite sides of the world, could be developing the same complex laws and dynamics of high order mathematical functions, then its silly to say that someone else couldn't have thought up what Hendrix did. Therefore, saying that Hendrix is the reason there's rock today is silly, because someone else probably would've created it in time. Hendrix was just "lucky" enough to be the first, and therefore is the one that history will remember.

All that mishmash boils down to two points. 1.) Yes, Hendrix was influential. At his time, he may have been the best(?). But that may have been because he was also the best known. And for all his revolutionizing, its dumb to say that he's the only reason that rock happened. He may have been the driving force, but without Hendrix, rock would have come into its own anyway. He was simply instrumental in helping it get a jumpstart.
2.) Whether Hendrix was the most influential, the stylistic best, whether his music sounds better than anything else is all opinion. Technical ability is pretty much the only thing that can be measured, and even it can't be used as a measuring stick for being the best, because that would mean that people who can play 30nps per second are much greater guitarists than famous CR guitarists like Dave Gilmour.


Oh, and, IMO, no, Hendrix is nowhere near the greatest. One of the greats, yes, but the greatest? Not by a long shot!

[TheUltimateSin]

:golfclap:

+1 Respect Point for kshelt76

[fr0zt]

I've never heard anyone say Jimi Hendrix created rock. If they did they would be wrong. What he DID do is help shape it into the rock we know today. There's no arguing that.

[SomeEvilDude]

I've never heard anyone say Jimi Hendrix created rock. If they did they would be wrong. What he DID do is help shape it into the rock we know today. There's no arguing that.

But what can be argued is the fact that had he not done what he did, inevitably someone else would've done it at some point.

[kshelt76]

I've never heard anyone say Jimi Hendrix created rock. If they did they would be wrong. What he DID do is help shape it into the rock we know today. There's no arguing that.

Yeah, but I've heard a lot of people who "worship" Hendrix as a guitar god, and one of the big reasons they use is that Hendrix was an innovator. And not just an innovator, but that without him, rock wouldn't be in existence, i.e. His innovations created rock and without him, there wouldn't be any today. He did help to create it yes, but I don't believe he deserves to be worshipped for it, because someone else easily could've done what he did, they just might have taken longer to discover it.

[fr0zt]

But what can be argued is the fact that had he not done what he did, inevitably someone else would've done it at some point.

Yup of course. But, it would be extremely extremely unlikely they would have had close to the same style. If you mean that they would have the same effects on rock, absolutely. The world was looking for something new and interesting at that point in history.



Yeah, but I've heard a lot of people who "worship" Hendrix as a guitar god, and one of the big reasons they use is that Hendrix was an innovator. And not just an innovator, but that without him, rock wouldn't be in existence, i.e. His innovations created rock and without him, there wouldn't be any today.

Wow. If that's true then you have a point. I've never heard anyone talk that way, but if they did i'd disagree right off the bat. They're probably just elitist morons. Hendrix didn't create rock, but he did innovate it, and did have an unique vision, which was a very important piece of rock history. Without him, rock would most likely sound very different today, (although it definitely would exist). There would be no Voodoo Chile, Foxy Lady, Purple Haze, If 6 was 9, Bold as Love, Spanish Castle Magic, etc etc. So many guitarists were influenced by those 6 tracks alone, and people tend to underestimate that.

Back to what you said: "His innovations created rock". Innovating means changing something that was already created. I think they proved themselves to be wrong right away.

But, haters could just argue that he was just a drug-laden hippy who pretended he was a spokesperson for the Summer of Love generation. Therefore, both sides of the spectrum are wrong.

[kshelt76]

^^ I agree with you. He was very influential, and I respect him greatly. Yes, without him rock would be different, but it would still be there. And usually, the people who are saying that he created rock, are the same people who think he's the greatest simply because Rolling Stone magazine listed him as the greatest.( I think there are even some people in this thread that have used points similar to saying that he created it) They're told he's the greatest, and refuse to question why or make their own opinion. They're not really the elitist morons(although a good group of them are) but more than anything, uninformed, ignorant morons. My post was meant to point out, to those people especially, that although he did something great, he isn't the only reason that we listen to rock today.

[Antroid]

My whole look on him is that im not really a fan, i understand how he influence's people. Personally i take influence from other guitarists like George Harrison.

I guess I dont really like Jimmi because all he did was play really fast and then died.

[benyard123]

Dude, I agree with some stuff you said but that last bit was uncalled for, I never made fun of sin for having a job. I just said he should practice instead of post. Making fun of someone that contributes to society is kinda low. But I definitly agree with that. Maybe the music its self doesn't have emotion, but its the artists ability to convey emotion that makes them great. Jimi was the master of that.
You're right. I should have not used your post to dig at sin. Sometimes I can't stop myself from being a prick. It gives me something to work on. I can play a mean Strat though so I'm not a total waste. Keep on rockin dude and again...I apologize. That goes for you too sin. Really I was just messing with you. I don't know what you do. Anyway...back to Jimi!!!

[TheUltimateSin]

I guess I dont really like Jimmi because all he did was play really fast and then died.

Yeah you'll probably get flamed for saying that :o

Just giving you a heads-up.

[fr0zt]

My whole look on him is that im not really a fan, i understand how he influence's people. Personally i take influence from other guitarists like George Harrison.

I guess I dont really like Jimmi because all he did was play really fast and then died.

If you're influenced by anything by George 1967 on, most likely you're getting that Jimi influence too. The Beatles were intrigued with Jimi's playing and it influenced them.

[thebrewfan]

I guess I dont really like Jimmi because all he did was play really fast and then died.

:bash:

Check out, Little Wing, Voodoo Child Blues (not slight return), Hey Joe...**** half his songs aren't all that fast, you dumb ****. And how does someone dying make them worse?