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avka0628
01-19-2009, 07:31 AM
thank you kindly sir :)

a yjm dimarzio and a hot rails seymour duncan

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 07:39 AM
whats your current wiring?
What are the push pull pots used for?

wait, thats only 2 pickups?
Do you only have 2? If so why don't you just have a 3 way switch to switch between them: Neck - Neck + Bridge - Bridge?

avka0628
01-19-2009, 07:45 AM
those are just the neck and bridge pups, its my strat project and its not done yet, so as of now there is no actual wiring. not till my new parts come in. but im getting all the diagrams for the upgrades im doing ahead of time.

the volume push pull is going to split the hot rails in the bridge pos.

the first tone push pull is going to make the yjm in neck pos go out of phase.

and the second tone push pull is going to make my GFS lipstick tube go out of phase in the mid pos.

i wanted something to make the neck and bridge work together as well as do all the others without sacrificing too much space inside the guitar. if you could possibly get all of this in a diagram that would be amazing. but i wouldnt ask so much of one person, it seems a bit cruel. lol :P

avka0628
01-19-2009, 07:53 AM
so far i have these to help me
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/avka0628/phase_reversal_singlecoils.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/avka0628/phase_switching_for_hb.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/avka0628/tele_1hum_1sing_pushpull.jpg

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 07:55 AM
ok, i'll see if I can get everything you want into one diagram, i'll be one sec :D

avka0628
01-19-2009, 07:58 AM
wow really? thats a lot for one diagram

avka0628
01-19-2009, 08:08 AM
eh, i forgot one detail to it all, i also wanted to get the hot rails and the lipstick tube on the second tone knob heh, dont worry about it if you cant get it. i just kinda remembered it all too late.

sorry

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 08:44 AM
im not to sure if thats possible, maybe one of the electronic nerds on here with more experience than me will help you out there.
I think i got everything, you nerds may wanna proof read my diagram but i think i got everything :)
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/Guitarcam/Diagram-1.jpg

avka0628
01-19-2009, 08:46 AM
the hot rails is split that way?

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 08:49 AM
do you mean like,
are you sure the hotrails split, i dont think they do?
Oh, is that how they split?
So they split the way you have them wired?

Which one? :)

avka0628
01-19-2009, 08:52 AM
i want to have the volume push pull split the hot rails so that only the top coil is active when pulled. do you know how to do that one?

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 08:54 AM
well im not to familiar with the SD colour codes, i'll go check...

EDIT: Yeah, im pretty sure i have the south coil. To make it north coil i think you have to solder the green and bare to ground and the red and white to the switch like in your tele diagram. We'll wait until the 'nerds' log on to tell us :p:

avka0628
01-19-2009, 08:57 AM
i appreciate all your help, what do you think of my creation by the way? my strat mod? itll be done in about 2 weeks i think.
thats when the rest of the parts get here

avka0628
01-19-2009, 09:00 AM
i know that everything i want to have done is possible, i just dont know how to get it all done. lol.

the "nerds" you mean like invader jim?

guitarcam123
01-19-2009, 09:07 AM
yeah,
how does one expect me to know all this guitar. I didn't even know a single thing about guitars untill about 3 months after my join date <<<<<(it says that over there)

Jim on the other hand has all sorts of experience with electronics, i'll be like him one day,

i hope

avka0628
01-19-2009, 09:13 AM
im sure you will be :) youre not bad tho. your diagram made sense. so im not complaining

avka0628
01-19-2009, 09:28 AM
so whaddya think of my newly written explanation of what i want, does it make sense to you?

"its my strat project and its not done yet, so as of now there is no actual wiring. not till my new parts come in. but im getting all the diagrams for the upgrades im doing ahead of time…

the volume push pull is going to split the hot rails in bridge pos;
the 1st tone push/pull is going to make the yjm neck pos go out of phase;
and the 2nd tone push/pull is going to make my GFS lipstick tube go out of phase in mid pos.

i wanted something to make the neck and bridge work together as well as do what the 5-way does anyways without sacrificing too much space inside the guitar. so a ¼” spst switch will do this part. But I don’t know how to wire that either.

the volume of course is going to be the master volume;
The first tone will be the tone for the yjm;
And the second tone is going to be for the lipstick tube and the hot rails.

if you could possibly get all of this in a diagram that would be amazing. but i wouldnt ask so much of one person, it seems a bit cruel. lol :P

so far i have these to help me
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...singlecoils.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...hing_for_hb.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ng_pushpull.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/avka0628/Diagram-1.jpg
"

Led Head
01-19-2009, 12:01 PM
hey guys i've run into a bit of trouble wiring up my selector switch. So here's my conundrum. I decided to do the same type of wiring as the Eric Clapton Strats as seen here (diagram 1)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/Delta_Blues/ECwiringdiagram.jpg
so I'm wondering in that diagram the selector switch is only showed as being wired on the right side.

I found this image that helps me to sort of convert the fender switch to a import switch (diagram 2)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/Delta_Blues/5_way_switch.jpg

so in the diagram of the EC strat it shows the selector switch only wired on the right side, so does that mean i only wire the corresponding blue terminals on my import switch, or do i have to run jumper wires from the blue side to the red side in diagram 2

bellerophon
01-19-2009, 01:00 PM
@akva0628

Glancing at your diagram the volume pp is set up for phase not split. You need to wire the Red + white to the pp to split the HB. The Seymour Duncan website has the diagram to coil-split a HB (including SC sized like the HR).

The SPST from the Bridge is a kill-switch. It toggles the signal away from the pp to ground. It needs to go to the signal path after the selector but before the vol (so its not just on full). It can still be coil split even when in bypass as the switches are independent.

Also, make sure you send the bottom right lug (according to your diagram) on the phase pp's to ground.

bellerophon
01-19-2009, 01:09 PM
@Led Head

You can just use 1 row (blue) or jumper the 0s together and use both rows (blue + red) if you need more space.

Led Head
01-19-2009, 01:24 PM
ok awesome so i dont need to use both red and blue spaces, i can only use the blue?

bellerophon
01-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Yes. Or Red if you like. ;)

The EC diagram above is only using the N-M-B and Common lugs, 4 connections.

Where are you putting the circuit board and battery?

slappyx
01-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Most useful thread ever :D

Dr. House
01-19-2009, 04:03 PM
I need a diagram for this setup:
EMG 81/89 (just a regular 81 not a TW)
1 vol push pull, 1 tone, 3-way sw
with the 18v mod on a switch.
The ones on EMG's site gave me a headache.

bazuriya
01-20-2009, 05:41 PM
Quick question!

Ive been looking at the Sduncan site for a diagram like this but I cant find it.

Is it possible, having 2 volumes (for each pup) and a tone, wire it so that there is 1 master volume and the other acting as a mix volume? I mean, clockwise= only bridge, counterclockwise= only neck?

(Besides the tone, 3way selector, and split coils push/ pull)








EDIT:
Nevermind, I think Ive just figured it out

avka0628
01-20-2009, 05:57 PM
i need help with wiring my 3 pickups in phase.

i have a yjm (four wire) dimarzio in neck
a lipstick tube (2 wire) GFS in mid (white wire +, black ground) and
a hot rails (4 wire) seymour duncan in bridge.

can anyone make me a diagram for how to wire these in phase?

bazuriya
01-20-2009, 06:09 PM
i need help with wiring my 3 pickups in phase.

i have a yjm (four wire) dimarzio in neck
a lipstick tube (2 wire) GFS in mid (white wire +, black ground) and
a hot rails (4 wire) seymour duncan in bridge.

can anyone make me a diagram for how to wire these in phase?


http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=phase_switch_coil_split_hb
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=HSH_1v_5w_pushpull
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=color_codes

With these you can do it yourself

GelDouche
01-20-2009, 08:44 PM
Hi,
I was wondering if it would be possible to put a homemade fuzz circuit inside my Strat copy, with an on/off switch and a pot to control the level of gain? Has anybody here done this or something similar? Any help would be appreciated.

Invader Jim
01-21-2009, 12:39 AM
There's a diagram on the first page.

GelDouche
01-21-2009, 05:31 AM
Cheers.
Also, could I just have a switch to switch between the pure guitar signal and the fuzzed guitar signal? Like to bypass the fuzz circuit and go straight to the output jack? Apologies if these are stupid questions but I am a complete muppet when it comes to electronics.

Invader Jim
01-21-2009, 04:06 PM
That's how it is in said diagram.

No need to apologize. That's why I made this thread. :D

I-AM-NOT-GOD
01-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Is there any chance of doing a HH diagram, with one volume, one tone and a 5-way switch, so the positions are:
Bridge
Bridge coil split
Both
Neck coil split
Neck

I plan on getting a pair of Swineshead's but i have no idea how to wire them into my ibanez, but thats sort of what i envisaged i'd like the positions to be.

bazuriya
01-21-2009, 05:34 PM
Is there any chance of doing a HH diagram, with one volume, one tone and a 5-way switch, so the positions are:
Bridge
Bridge coil split
Both
Neck coil split
Neck

I plan on getting a pair of Swineshead's but i have no idea how to wire them into my ibanez, but thats sort of what i envisaged i'd like the positions to be.


http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2hum_1vol_1tone_super5way

Seymour duncan wiring diagrams. First post in this thread

420 FREAK
01-21-2009, 05:39 PM
Ok I have a thread about this but this is probably where it belongs and I need to knw soon so. I accidently bought 2 dpdt on-on switches to turn pickups on and off (I wire my guitars so that each pickup has an on-off switch or an on-off-coil tap switch). I have it wired up to the 2nd suggestion in the quote and it's not working. I just want to get this guitar done and I know it's these switches that are messing it up.




[a] [x]
[b] [x]
[c] [x]

if thats the bottom of the switch, then the [x] lugs are the ones you ignore

[b] is the output from the pickup (or from the pickups volume)
[a] is to the output or master volume
and [c] is grounded

you could also have [a] as ground, if [c] is to the output, but it doesnt really matter, same thing, basically.

Invader Jim
01-21-2009, 05:56 PM
Idk. Bad solder joints? Overheat and destroy the switch? If you did it like the quote, it should be working.

420 FREAK
01-21-2009, 07:18 PM
Idk. Bad solder joints? Overheat and destroy the switch? If you did it like the quote, it should be working.
Both of those could be a problem. Also it would be easier for me not to ground to the switches can I just not do that or just ground to the back of the pots? I had sound once so then I went to add the middle pup and volume and tone into the loop and it stopped so I bypassed all that again and there's nothing anymore.

Invader Jim
01-21-2009, 07:23 PM
You don't have to ground the switch CASINGS, but you have to ground the lugs like the quote said. Otherwise the pup that is off will inject noise into the signal.

420 FREAK
01-21-2009, 07:29 PM
You don't have to ground the switch CASINGS, but you have to ground the lugs like the quote said. Otherwise the pup that is off will inject noise into the signal.
thanks for the help I figured everything out.

GravyFish
01-24-2009, 12:34 AM
If I wanted to use 1 on/on/on mini switch as a series/split/parallel switch for both of the humbuckers on my guitar, could I just use this (http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=ssp) wiring diagram and just solder the wires for both pickups onto the corresponding terminals? Or will this cause some kind of loop?

bazuriya
01-24-2009, 02:24 AM
^It would work right




I have a question myself


In a guitar with a configuration like in the pic, in positions 1 and 3 when puss/pull is UP, theres no hum cancellation?

Also, the guitar has a vol knob for each pup. In UP, middle position, if one of the volumes is different than the other, there isnt either hum cancellation?

bazuriya
01-24-2009, 08:14 PM
^bump?

chip46
01-24-2009, 08:47 PM
^
1.) Correct, one single coil alone doesn't hum cancel
2.) I have no idea, but I would guess that it would still hum cancel.

C/ruel
01-24-2009, 09:40 PM
I have a rather large unweildy wiring diagram I came up with for my guitar using a few diffrent diagrams all thrown together. I'd appriciate if you guys could look through it and comment on any problems you see.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/infernoinferno/FirstDraftofWiringDiagram-1.jpg
The main area I see there probably being a problem in is the whole peizo thing. I just kind of guessed for everything involved in it.

Would it help my tone if I put a switch in that disconnected channel 2 from the hot tip of the jack to the ground? or do the extra things in that path of travel not matter when there isnt a pickup going through it?

I'm using a Mint box preamp.

bazuriya
01-24-2009, 10:37 PM
Are your switches regular DPDT switches? I mean, DO they have 2 ways? I just dont understand why you wired them the way you did. For instance, Id say that the center row in the piezo tone switch is always in short because of the green wires.

Also, whats the problem with it? Please be more specific.

Where did you place the piezo? I also have an electric with a piezo and premap. Sounds nice, but very low output compared to the magnetic pups (EMGs)

C/ruel
01-24-2009, 11:05 PM
Yeah, all my switches are DPDT. either on/on or on/off/on.

I had a major brain block with the piezo's tone. I dont know how to wire caps up without a potientiometer involved. I probably didn't have to put the treble bleed on the tone switch, but meh. I based my idea for the tone off of the channel1/channel2 switches, which I was told would work for that purpose on this forum a while ago. No real reason why, but I figured that trying was better then nothing.

Piezo is running through a preamp to try and match my pickups (rockmonkey's passive overwound). I'm putting the piezo component in its own little space that's maybe two inches below the bridge, on the back of the top piece of wood. The guitar is a custom, so I just routed a hole specifically for it. I'm not terribly worried though about it picking up signal though. I think I'm going to put a .22 between the hot and neg. leads on the piezo to make sure it doesn't feed back to bad.

This diagram hasn't been wired yet. I just finished it a little bit ago and posted it here for people to critique, seeing if there was any better way to wire some of the things, like piezo.

bazuriya
01-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Ok. So I think that piezo tone circuit is a mess. Letme draw something

Red squares are 2 different values resistors. his way you need only 1 cap, for instance 0.022.

C/ruel
01-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Alright, cool. I have a ton of extra caps, so I'll just use those instead of the resistors in your diagram, and throw out the cap outside the switch. If I find that i really need to fine tune the tone, I'll use resistors. otherwise, meh.

Thank you for the help! this is a complex enough diagram, I'm sure I'll be back after I wire it in for more questions.

Updated diagram http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/infernoinferno/FirstDraftofWiringDiagram-1.jpg

Boogie Man
01-25-2009, 01:19 AM
ok, I'm looking at putting a delay pedal in my guitar, and I just need a little confirmation on some things.

Firstly, with the SPDT switch, is that just the normal switch thats in my guitar?

Secondly, are the knobs in delay pedals mounted directly to the circuit board? (I only have a multi effects at the moment)


thirdly, would my local guitar store be likely to stock the stereo jack?

mikeyElite
01-25-2009, 02:39 AM
ok, I'm looking at putting a delay pedal in my guitar, and I just need a little confirmation on some things.

Firstly, with the SPDT switch, is that just the normal switch thats in my guitar?

Secondly, are the knobs in delay pedals mounted directly to the circuit board? (I only have a multi effects at the moment)


thirdly, would my local guitar store be likely to stock the stereo jack?

an spdt switch is a mini toggle, like the one pictured below

http://www.banzaieffects.com/files/images_detailed/d_12896.gif

my local store doesn't carry output jacks but yours might, no harm in looking.

Boogie Man
01-25-2009, 03:07 AM
an spdt switch is a mini toggle, like the one pictured below

http://www.banzaieffects.com/files/images_detailed/d_12896.gif

my local store doesn't carry output jacks but yours might, no harm in looking.


awesome thanks

Voodoods
01-26-2009, 06:09 PM
All,

I just got the GFS superstrat kit and the diagram they sent has me just a little confused.

I have 3 lil Killer strat-sized 'buckers and 3 mini toggles. They have given me two wiring options - 1 vol, 2 tone w/ tap/split (17 sounds) or 'infinite' sounds by using 3 volume knobs rather than tone controls.

So my question is this - I have a bare wire (ground and also a black wire (ground). Do all of those ground wires go to the same place (back of a pot)? Also, they have wiring between the mini toggles, on the upper-middle 'prong' (sorry don't know the term) of the mini toggles. Would this be ground wire?

I guess bottom line, I'm looking for wiring help on 3 strat-sized humbuckers with 3 mini on-off-on toggles. If anyone has wired one of these I'd love a pic so I can see what they are trying to depict. Otherwise, a detailed schematic would be awesome.

Thanks in advance.

Invader Jim
01-26-2009, 07:36 PM
On the first page, in the SD link.

Voodoods
01-26-2009, 09:08 PM
On the first page, in the SD link.

I must have missed it. I looked there first since the GFS stuff mentions SD has the same color coding.

I've looked at the Seymour Duncan site - they don't have a triple humbucker, triple mini setup that I could find.

Could you tell me which one I should be looking at?

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/

Though I did find this - (right side second down) - though its alot different than my diagram...

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringresources.1wiringdiagrams.humbuckerwiringmods/

spug2guitarist
01-26-2009, 11:23 PM
Reversing the coil connections reverses the polarity, and may be necessary on one pickup to allow the standard "in-phase" connections. Your ears are a good guide - if you expect an in-phase sound you should hear a full, slightly nasal sound. If you get a hollow, middley sound with a volume drop, you probably have pickups with opposite polarity, and need to reverse the connections on one pickup to restore normality.

i got this from http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/pickcomb.htm .

i recently switched a single coil (bridge) on my cheap strat copy to a humbucker.

my guitar has got that "hollow, middley sound with a volume drop" at position 4 of the pickup selector switch.

and i think the pickups are of opposite polarity.

how do i reverse the connections on one of the pickups?

EDIT: nvm my guitars ok already!

GravyFish
01-27-2009, 01:30 AM
If I wanted to use 1 on/on/on mini switch as a series/split/parallel switch for both of the humbuckers on my guitar, could I just use this (http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=ssp) wiring diagram and just solder the wires for both pickups onto the corresponding terminals? Or will this cause some kind of loop?

:grrr:

**** me. I almost completely finished the wiring, and I realized how stupid I am. There's no way this can work. I have no idea how to do this without drilling a hole for another switch.

:bonk:

Albino_Rhino
01-27-2009, 01:33 AM
So drill a hole for another switch...?

GravyFish
01-27-2009, 01:53 AM
So drill a hole for another switch...?

The C-1 Classic has an arched top, the potentiometers have countersunk holes for the shafts so that the can sit parallel to the edge of the body, which is flat. Unless I countersink the hole, the nut to bolt the switch to the top will not match the contour of the top, and if I countersink the hole, it would screw up the finish. I've hocked the original idea and now I'm just wiring in push/pull pots. I'll miss the parallel, but not enough to try drilling.

mikeyElite
01-27-2009, 02:03 AM
The C-1 Classic has an arched top, the potentiometers have countersunk holes for the shafts so that the can sit parallel to the edge of the body, which is flat. Unless I countersink the hole, the nut to bolt the switch to the top will not match the contour of the top, and if I countersink the hole, it would screw up the finish. I've hocked the original idea and now I'm just wiring in push/pull pots. I'll miss the parallel, but not enough to try drilling.

not sure what you're entire setup looks like that you're going for but look into concentric pots and see if they could be an option for what you want.

GravyFish
01-27-2009, 02:59 AM
not sure what you're entire setup looks like that you're going for but look into concentric pots and see if they could be an option for what you want.

I was trying that originally, but I found out late in the game that you still need an On/On/On switch for both pickups.

I'm just doing a push/pull. No parallel settings. I'm just about to go crazy, though, I accidentally cut the black wire down an inch and a half on the neck pickup.

bellerophon
01-27-2009, 12:31 PM
@Voodoods

What switches did you get? (spdt? dpdt? on/off/on or on/on/on or on/on in the kit?)

Can you post the wiring diagram they sent you?

Did you want 1vol 2tone or 3vol?

bjh345
01-27-2009, 01:18 PM
How do you wire a strat (3 singlecoils) to have a volume for each pickup?

Im looking to get rid of the 5 way switch, and just use the volume instead. I never use tone controls, so Im not to fused about them.


So far i have something like this:


_____________Volume pot 1
W |
Pickup 1: +++++++++
B |____________Earth (on pot)

______________Volume pot 2
W |
Pickup 2: +++++++++
B |______________Earth (on pot)

______________Volume pot 3
W |
Pickup 3: +++++++++
B |_______________Earth (on pot)



The earths are all joined to each other , then to the black wire on the output jack, and the earth on the bridge.

The white wire from the pickups are connected like this:

Volume pot:
____
| O |
| |
v v v
________| | |__
| Earth | White pickup wire
|
|_____
| White output wire
|___
Wire to other two jacks



The problem I have is that all three pots are acting as master volume knobs.

Is this something to do with them being wired in series?

If so, how else can I wire it?

Edwardthegreat5
01-29-2009, 10:51 PM
Soup guys, I'm in need of a diagram for a guitar with 3 pickups; 2 humbuckers and 1 protube humbucker(wires like a single coil, I believe), 1 volume, 1 tone, and 3 DPDT switches (one for each pickup).

AgresiveNapkins
02-01-2009, 03:00 PM
Sorry in advance if nobody can figure out what I am saying. Ok, so what I want is a really fast way to switch volumes on my guitar. As in being able to go to full volume (10) to very low volume (1) with a flick of a switch. Is it possible to use mini 3-way switch as a volume switch?

bellerophon
02-01-2009, 03:34 PM
You can put a switch between the pickup switch hot out and the vol pot to send the signal straight to the jack to bypass the vol (full on).

AgresiveNapkins
02-01-2009, 06:15 PM
Ok I thought of that right after I posted but thank you for the confirmation.

Sonic Blast
02-02-2009, 02:36 AM
Does someone know where i can get a wiring schematic for this? of if you guys could make one?

it's a Les Paul with DiMarzio pups with 2 volume 2 tone and a 3 way switch.

i just need to know where to put the wires coming out of the pickup. all of the colours get me very mixed up...

AgresiveNapkins
02-02-2009, 01:44 PM
One last question, I have a coil tap for my bridge pickup as a push/pull on the tone pot. Is there anyway I can get it so when the bridge pickup is coil tapped it can be in the low volume setting?

ghostbust555
02-04-2009, 11:55 PM
hey everyone this is my first wiring job and heres basically what i want,

2 humbuckers
1 500K blend pot- takes the place of a three way switch
1 500k linear stacked volume pot- cts???
1 500K logortithmic (type b) stacked tone pot
1 mono output jack

i really need a diagram or im sure i will screw this up please help me!!!

the page for the pots is www.guitarelectronics.com/product/CPCS55/CTS_Stacked_Dual_Concentric_Audio_Pot_500K500K.html (http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/CPCS55/CTS_Stacked_Dual_Concentric_Audio_Pot_500K500K.html )

Thanks to all

DANGERSTRANGER
02-05-2009, 03:34 AM
could anyone make me a wiring diagram for this setup

2 humbuckers ( 2 wires comin out of each) one bare on each , a red on the neck and a black on the bridge.
1 vol (master)
1 tone (master)
3 way selector switch tele style

thanks

ghostbust555
02-05-2009, 07:06 PM
dud this is a verrrry common diagram five minutes of searching could have saved u the trouble of this post. any way try guitar www.guitarelectronics.com they have good diagrams

bv310
02-06-2009, 12:18 AM
can i request a wiring diagram for 2 humbuckers (single conductor), with 2 vol, 1 tone, no switch? it's not on the SD page

mikeyElite
02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
can i request a wiring diagram for 2 humbuckers (single conductor), with 2 vol, 1 tone, no switch? it's not on the SD page

no switch ?

bv310
02-06-2009, 12:26 AM
nope, signal gets blended between the two. It'll take a bit of fiddling to get used to, but i think it'll be fun. It works on the same principle as a Jazz Bass, but i need to know which lug to wire to what

bellerophon
02-06-2009, 02:19 PM
@ ghostbust555

check the 2nd diagram down for blend pot 1v 1t

http://www.stewmac.com/FreeInfo/Electronics/Pots/i-4137.html

For your wiring just wire each HB to its separate stacked row on the Vol pot as on this diagram (and wire to their respective row on the stacked tone) and then the middle vol terminals are Source A or B for the blend pot. Blend pot out (going to the vol on this diagram) goes to jack hot. Done.

EDIT: I always use Log pots for audio and Linear for Tone but it's down to personal preference I guess. :shrug:

bellerophon
02-06-2009, 02:26 PM
@bv310

Have you thought about using this diagram:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_1t_3w

but send the vol out (middle) to the tone 'in' and ignore the switch?

Or this one

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=std_jazz_bass

and replace the pickups with your HBs?

bv310
02-06-2009, 09:37 PM
that second one'll work. Thanks bellerophon! I can't believe i missed that one on the site.

andrewAnimosity
02-06-2009, 11:30 PM
Any body know how to wire an sg double neck


i was just bout to ask the same question...ive looked every where...


but since its my first time wiring anything id like a like step by step process guide...

ArjenOverdrive
02-07-2009, 09:20 AM
Could anyone make me a wiring diagram for a epiphone black beauty (3 humbuckers) with 3 blackouts? I'm unsure how I should wire the middle pickup. I have the diagram of the current passive wiring( http://lespaulelectricguitars.com/images/les-paul-3pu-schematic.jpg ).

/Arjen

Invader Jim
02-07-2009, 03:41 PM
Arjen: You can use the diagram you linked. Where it says "Mid Pkup" or etc., just wire the actives' hot wires to those points. Grounds are soldered to the pot casings, and the red wires are going to the battery.

For the Doubleneck SG, I think there's one on the SD site. Or maybe it's within this thread. Icr.

andrewAnimosity
02-07-2009, 03:57 PM
i just look all through this thread couldnt find anything that helped...
its got 4 humbuckers
3 three way switches(thts where i get confused cuz the gibson only has 2)
and i have no idea how to tell the difference between volume and tone pots...but theres 4

Invader Jim
02-07-2009, 04:12 PM
Tone pots have a capacitor on them.

One 3-way is to select pups on one neck, one is to select pups on the other neck, and the last one is to select the actual neck that goes to the jack.

Wire it like 2 seperate SGs without a jack, then wire the neck selector like you would with pups, but instead it selects which neck.

Did you get that?

Drawing those diagrams is a pain in the ass.

andrewAnimosity
02-07-2009, 04:18 PM
i got the first part about the selectors i geussed thats wht it did... but this is my first time trying to wire something so the second part got me all confused...but the only person that will do it around here said hed do it for $100 bucks and everybody told me it was a major rip off so ive been trying to figure it out...

rapfohl09
02-07-2009, 04:22 PM
Hey everyone, im looking for a les Paul BFG style diagram

Its a HB bridge PU with a P90 neck PU, it has a strat style 5 way switch (however I was thinking of just putting a 3 way tele, do they fit in the slots for the 5 way strat?) anyway it also has 2 pots, I was thinking a volume for each pickup but would do a volume tone if it was easier. thanks a ton if anyone can help me out. I just want it to be HB/HB+P90/P90 style.

Invader Jim
02-07-2009, 04:24 PM
It is a major ripoff.

Go to the SD site linked on the front page of this thread and get the diagram for 2 humbuckers, 2 volumes, 2 tones, 3-way selector.

Wire each neck like that, but leave out the jack.

Then comeback here and I'll make a diagram for the rest. Deal?

andrewAnimosity
02-07-2009, 04:30 PM
ill give it a try
thnks

Invader Jim
02-07-2009, 04:34 PM
Forgot to ask, does it have 4 pots or 8?

If it has 4, use the 2 hums, 1 vol, 1 tone diagram...

bellerophon
02-08-2009, 04:33 AM
@andrewAnimosity

Here's a quick pic of the wiring you want with the neck selection switch in. Just wire the other neck the same as shown and send the vol out to the switch as shown.
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr53/j0rdi_bucket/halfdoubleneck.png

It's basically what Invader Jim said but with a pretty layout picture :p:

Bear in mind that your HB wire colours may be different and if you need help with that just ask.

There's also a wiring schematic here if it helps you any:

http://www.geocities.jp/dgb_studio/circuit/w02.png

bellerophon
02-08-2009, 04:41 AM
@rapfohl09

Check out the diagrams here:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/

You can find 2HB 2vol and 2HB 1vol 1 tone under humbuckers and you can just wire P90s as single conductor HB.

A 3 position blade switch should fit in the same space as a 5 position blade switch but check dimensions with the seller as some manufacturers might be different.

rapfohl09
02-08-2009, 10:55 AM
thank you very much, I figured you could just wire it in, but who knows just always good to check

flyingfadr
02-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Looked for days for an answer to THIS combo... no luck, so hope one of you can help here...

I'm buying a Carvin DC145, with HSH, and want to replace the stock pickups with EMG's ...an 89 in neck, SLV in Middle, and 89 in Bridge.
Since the EMG 89's have both a humbucker AND a single coil in one housing, is there ANY way that I can wire this to a 5-way switch ( or Superswitch ) so I can retain the normal Strat sounds in positions 2 & 4 that are out-of phase singles, withOUT using the included push-pull pots, or the Pi2 phase inverter switch ?

Hoping to get:
1. (up position) Neck Humbucker
2. Neck single-coil & Middle single-coil out-of-phase
3. Middle Single-coil
4. Bridge single-coil & Middle single-coil out-of-phase
5. Bridge Humbucker

Thanks in advance !!

wooftang999
02-10-2009, 05:34 PM
hiya wiring thread

i'm looking for a HSS set up, with 3 on/off switches, one coil splitting seperate switch (not push/pull pot), and 1 tone, 1 volume

i understand the 3 on/off part and the tone and volume. Bu i am unsure as to which coil (N or S) i should pick for my bridge humbucker, i think it's going to be railed, i'm ebaying it) And i also don't really understand the coil splitting at all... i've looked at wiring diagrams and the stickies and if someone could give me an explanation, using basic gcse knowledge haha going into exactly why it works and ****, cos atm i'm quite confused.

Invader Jim
02-11-2009, 01:11 AM
Did you not see my reply to Jenny's post earlier in this thread? I explained how coil-tapping works (kinda).

CBF to find or re-type it. :D

tjfishrocker
02-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Did you not see my reply to Jenny's post earlier in this thread? I explained how coil-tapping works (kinda).

CBF to find or re-type it. :D

in this diagram does it matter which pot is push/pull, which pot has the .047 thing on it, and if the switch is like a gibson style? thanks

Shinozoku
02-17-2009, 07:18 PM
Ressurrecting this thread for a diagram request: Wiring a Seymour Duncan Blackout and two SD Hot Rails up to ao 3-way toggle (one position per pickup) and two volume knobs (one bridge, and one bridge+middle). My friend Justin is doing this in his Jackson DK-2 and we know what needs to be done, we just don't know how to do it :peace:

EDIT: Also, he can't afford the PA-2 thing, so we're hoping that this would work :p:

Invader Jim
02-17-2009, 08:31 PM
Please forgive me if I sound like a douche...

Could you guys please try to use your heads? I posted all that stuff in the OP so that you could use it as 'puzzle pieces' to put together your own schemes for your individual unique situations.

Do any of you know how much of a pain it is to sit down and think about these schemes, draw a draft on paper, make a diagram (in MSPaint), upload it, post it, then explain it, all on 24k dial-up? I don't have the time or 'energy' these days...I work all day and when I get back home, I don't feel like sitting down and thinking about these things, tbqh...

Search, explore, experiment...That's what this thread is all about. Not, "Hey, I needs a diagram for 2 EMGs, 5-way auto-taps, killswitch, 2v, 2t' or w/e. Just search around the SD link. They have a butt-load of diagrams. Even if it doesn't explicitly say EMG, use the Blackout diagram or something. An active is an active, regardless of the make or model (to a point).

Again, I'm sorry if I sound like a douche. I don't mean to offend anyone.

Shinozoku
02-18-2009, 01:36 AM
Heh, my bad ^^; I figured I might be able to do that. I guess I should have been more specific and asked if I could just cut and paste from different diagrams >< Thanks!

Invader Jim
02-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Well, Shin (what's your real name, anyway?), it wasn't aimed directly at you, just at everyone who waltzes in here like myself or Bellerophon is their personal search engine (thanks a million for all the help with requests, btw, bellerophon).

Shinozoku
02-18-2009, 07:59 PM
Name is Nick, actually, and it's all good :cheers:

Littleangus44
02-18-2009, 10:42 PM
Hey master's of the wiring thread, could someone find/make a diagram of:

2 humbuckers

1 volume

1 tone

and one switch that will make the pickups out of phase

SomeoneYouKnew
02-18-2009, 10:46 PM
Again, I'm sorry if I sound like a douche. I don't mean to offend anyone.

Not a douche. But lately, you've sounded less "Jim-like".

What's wrong, man?
Not enough fiber in your diet? Some evil dude put the hurt on you?

Can we send you Whiskey and Women? Would that help?



Srsly, I'll look over the front end of this later, when I have more time.
Maybe send you some drawings and shiz on how switches work, etc, so these guys can try rolling their own. And maybe we'll use this as a debugging thread to proofread what they make?

Meanwhile, think about PMing Jimmy or Conrad and ask them to change the title?
Add something about read the First Post before making a reply?


anyway ... :heart:

Invader Jim
02-19-2009, 12:08 AM
Ok. Love you, SYK. :heart:

Idk about the "less Jim-like" thing. Prolly just stressin' over work or some stupid thing. I'm not a people person and Subway has suddenly become more popular...you can do the math.

PM me with your thoughts on the debugging thread et al.

SomeoneYouKnew
02-19-2009, 12:26 AM
lol, teh feelin is muuchyal.

I'll send a PM,. But you know, real men use MSN. :p:

mikeyElite
02-19-2009, 12:33 AM
Hey master's of the wiring thread, could someone find/make a diagram of:

2 humbuckers

1 volume

1 tone

and one switch that will make the pickups out of phase

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_1v_1t_3w_phase

right on the first page ;)

Invader Jim
02-19-2009, 01:09 AM
Mike: That's exactly what I was just talking about. :haha ...:sad:

Well said, SYK. Well said.

guitarcam123
02-19-2009, 03:41 AM
lol, teh feelin is muuchyal.

I'll send a PM,. But you know, real men use MSN. :p:
Was that supposed to rhyme? If so kudus to you, if not kudus x2 to you :D

Littleangus44
02-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Thanks

zakkwyldefan79
02-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Littleangus44 look at post #356. mikeyElite already answered your question.

Invader Jim
02-20-2009, 03:19 PM
Post 4 edited.

wizards?
02-20-2009, 05:30 PM
I've been looking for about three hours for a specific wiring diagram... but I can't seem to find it. I have a Jackson guitar, pickup combination H/S/H and I want to have both of the humbuckers with a coil tap. I'm using a standard five way switch, but I want it to be a basic strat set up with 1st position=bridge, 2nd=bridge and middle, 3rd=middle, 4th=middle and neck, and 5th=neck... I can't seem to find a diagram for anything like this and it's really really bothering me... Anyone think they can help me with this?

bellerophon
02-20-2009, 05:43 PM
@wizards?

I'm 100% sure (because I'm looking at it now) that the Seymour Duncan link on the 1st page (you know the page you're supposed to read 1st ;) ) has a HSH 1V 1T 5Way with push/pull diagram.

If you just use a normal 5way and want normal positions then you need to add a switch to split the humbucker(s) (push/pull or mini toggle).

SomeoneYouKnew
02-20-2009, 07:20 PM
wizards?,

You can do automatic coil split on your HBs in position 2 and position 4 only.
But this only applies to a 1 volume 1 tone arrangement.
You use the half of the 5-way that's usually used to select the tone control, to perform the coil splitting.

Boogie Man
02-20-2009, 07:57 PM
k, I was going to get a luthier to do this, but he is a lazy bastard.

I have an OLP MM1 so it's single volume, no tone.
I want to put in a concentric tone/volume pot, and I was wondering, firstly are their any diagrams specifically showing a concentric pot, and secondly, how hard would it be to wire up?

mikeyElite
02-20-2009, 08:34 PM
concentric pots are just two pots stacked on top of each other so you'd wire it just like a normal 1 v, 1 t.

Boogie Man
02-20-2009, 08:44 PM
concentric pots are just two pots stacked on top of each other so you'd wire it just like a normal 1 v, 1 t.

ah, ok

One other question I thought of, do all humbuckers use 500k pots?

wiliscool
02-20-2009, 08:45 PM
Nice job on the switch explanations Jim :cheers:

mikeyElite
02-20-2009, 08:56 PM
ah, ok

One other question I thought of, do all humbuckers use 500k pots?

that's a personal choice. the higher the pot resistance value, the less high-frequencies are attenuated and the lower the pot resistance value, the more high-frequencies are attenuated. start with a 500k and if you find the pickup to be too trebley try out a 250k.

wizards?
02-20-2009, 11:02 PM
@wizards?

I'm 100% sure (because I'm looking at it now) that the Seymour Duncan link on the 1st page (you know the page you're supposed to read 1st ;) ) has a HSH 1V 1T 5Way with push/pull diagram.

If you just use a normal 5way and want normal positions then you need to add a switch to split the humbucker(s) (push/pull or mini toggle).
It's close to what I want... but I want to use two push pull pots, one for each coil tap so I have more options to play with than just tapping them both at once...

Sorry I'm so picky...

wiliscool
02-20-2009, 11:07 PM
^You should still be able to piece together a diagram from the info on the 1st page.

wizards?
02-20-2009, 11:11 PM
^You should still be able to piece together a diagram from the info on the 1st page.
...okay... I think I might get it.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=HSH_1v_1t_5w_pushpull

So on this diagram, I'd just have another push pull pot, and I'd move the red and white wires from one of the pups to that in the same position?

I'm not good with wiring...

SomeoneYouKnew
02-20-2009, 11:36 PM
...okay... I think I might get it.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=HSH_1v_1t_5w_pushpull

So on this diagram, I'd just have another push pull pot, and I'd move the red and white wires from one of the pups to that in the same position?

I'm not good with wiring...exactly that.

just have what's on the left side of the switch in that drawing on one of your push-pulls and what's on the right of it on the other push-pull.

nathan549
02-22-2009, 02:45 AM
jim sent me hear to see if anyone else could help me with this (jims busy). i want to add another volume knob to a fender jaguar so it has 2 volume knobs (one for each pickup) and one master tone knob.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/pdfs/support/schematics/jaguar.pdf

thats the diagram of the jaguars wiring

FUT55
02-22-2009, 04:02 AM
Unfortunately this is way greek to me. Does anyone mind explaining things to me?

mikeyElite
02-22-2009, 04:08 AM
Unfortunately this is way greek to me. Does anyone mind explaining things to me?

what do you wanna know ?

bellerophon
02-22-2009, 04:46 AM
@nathan549

do you want to add an entirely new vol control or replace one of the existing controls, if so which one?

the jag's got 2 tone controls (a 1meg (knob) and a 50k (roller)) the 50k darkens the tone for the rhythm circuit and the 1meg is bright and twangy so which do you want to lose if you're going for a single master tone?

personally I've always thought the jag setup was kind of cool (separate controls for rhythm or lead and on offs for both pickups), are you sure you want to change it :shrug: :p:

nathan549
02-22-2009, 06:08 AM
sorry for the late reply bellerophon, i want to add a entirely new volume control. so theres 2 volume one for each pickup and one master tone (not talkign about the rythmn role settings)

nathan549
02-22-2009, 06:16 AM
heres a pic of wat im talkign bout to not confuse people. (sorry for poor drawing)

bellerophon
02-22-2009, 07:24 AM
@nathan549

It should work if you put both the volumes before their on/off switches and send the master tone middle up to the rhythm circuit switch (where master vol goes on the diagram) and obviously remove all mention of the master vol.

I can draw a diagram if you'd like one but I'm just off out at the mo so will be a few hours. :D

nathan549
02-22-2009, 07:25 AM
well a diagram will be great if you would do that :), anytime u can is fine:). thanks alot

littlephil
02-23-2009, 03:27 AM
Hey everyone. For my RG project I'm going to do a HSH setup with Dimarzio Air Norton, JEM single and Steves Special pickups. I want to do some different wiring on it and havent been able to find a diagram for what I want.
I want a 5 way with a push/pull to give me these selections:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i147/littlephil_23/guitarwiring.gif
Will I need a superswitch for this? If its even possible!
Also I'd be very grateful if someone could whip up a wiring diagram for me :D

EDIT: If it is actually possible, I wouldnt mind if some of the selections were swapped between the push/pull up or down, as long as i can get all those options.

wiliscool
02-23-2009, 03:46 AM
Sounds tricky; I'll see what I can do.

Edit: What kind of vol/tone controls are you wanting on this?

littlephil
02-23-2009, 03:52 AM
Single volume and tone.
Thanks

wiliscool
02-23-2009, 04:45 AM
Okay, I'm not giving up or anything but the easiest way I can think of to do this is to have a normal 3-way (for the humbuckers) and then a switch for inner coils/humbuckers/outer coils (unfortunately this can't be a push/pull as it has 3 positions) and another switch (CAN be a push/pull) to turn on the middle p'up.



What I'm still looking for in order to use your exact switching request would be 2 diagrams using STANDARD 5 way switches.
If you can find 2 diagrams like this that have all the positions you want between them, then you simply wire each half of a superswitch with the diagrams and put in a switch to choose between halves (a superswitch is just 2 5-ways stuck together).

bellerophon
02-23-2009, 04:19 PM
@nathan549

below is a diagram for the jag wiring.
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr53/j0rdi_bucket/jag2V1Tmod.png
The neck and bridge switches are now in parallel to the strangle switch (so the bridge vol shouldn't act as a master vol), changed the master tone to a more normal one.

chris024
02-23-2009, 05:49 PM
i looked through the first few posts and didnt find what i was looking for on those sites, maybe someone can point me in the right direction...

im looking to wire up a HB(neck), SC(bridge) with tone for each, master volume and a blend knob for my pickup selector.

would i do:

500k for HB tone
250k for SC tone
250k for volume
250k for blend?

also the wiring kinda confuses me, any help is appreciated. im half good at wiring stuff, and i'll try to make my own diagram if no one can do is quick and easy if i can be pointed in the right direction if its not already out there online. thank you.

bazuriya
02-23-2009, 06:10 PM
Hey I was looking for the pinout of a regular 5 way switch and I found it at the first page of this post, but please someone confirm the following:

http://i44.tinypic.com/11hdvua.jpg

If we call the pins A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H from left to right, this is the logic of the switch:

Position 1: D+E+ C+H
Position 2: D+E+ C+B+H+G
Position 3: D+E+ B+G
Position 4: D+E+ A+B+F+G
Position 5: D+E+ A+F


Thanks guys

LateStart
02-23-2009, 06:50 PM
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_1t_3w_pp

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/evolvedrs/Random/pickupconfig.jpg

The top is the closest I've found to what I want. The bottom is my stock wiring diagram. 2 humbuckers, 2 volumes, 1 tone, 1 3-way switch.

I'd like to be able to tap both coils. But quick question on that. Wouldn't it be better to have the outside coils working when tapped, instead of the innermost coils?

Also, I'm considering setting it up for phase switching.

Basically, I want a couple different CLEARLY different configs. I don't want a ton of options if they really make subtle differences only. So if phase switching won't make a really noticeable difference, I'll forget that.

I currently have 2 audio push/pulls, and 1 tone push/pull. The stock humbuckers are in it which are Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge, and a yamaha alnico in the neck.

Thanks for any help!

Invader Jim
02-23-2009, 09:52 PM
Baz: Yup, that's it.

Scowmoo
02-23-2009, 09:57 PM
Jim, I gots a question.
Where do I solder my Tremolo ground to on my Squier Strat? :P

blandguitar
02-23-2009, 10:01 PM
on the plate where the screw go through and the springs attach to. mine has a little piece sitting up a smidgen above the rest, that's where i grounded mine to.

Scowmoo
02-23-2009, 10:03 PM
on the plate where the screw go through and the springs attach to. mine has a little piece sitting up a smidgen above the rest, that's where i grounded mine to.

No, thats the part thats already soldered. I mean the part thats inside the control cavity. :P

blandguitar
02-23-2009, 10:04 PM
oh, just where you ground anything, like say the bottom of a pot or the ground on your switch, grounds are all connected anyway.

Scowmoo
02-23-2009, 10:10 PM
Which pot? O_o

zakkwyldefan79
02-23-2009, 10:13 PM
You can ground it to any of the pots and it'll work.

blandguitar
02-23-2009, 10:13 PM
Which pot? O_o

doesn't matter, just any pot casing. again, the grounds are all interconnected so it'd be easiest just to connect it to the closest one.

Scowmoo
02-23-2009, 10:14 PM
doesn't matter, just any pot casing. again, the grounds are all interconnected so it'd be easiest just to connect it to the closest one.

Are you SURE? :peace: :confused:

blandguitar
02-23-2009, 10:15 PM
yeah, any of them. just as long is its where you connect a ground, and make sure all you grounds are connected and you're good.

littlephil
02-24-2009, 01:21 AM
Okay, I'm not giving up or anything but the easiest way I can think of to do this is to have a normal 3-way (for the humbuckers) and then a switch for inner coils/humbuckers/outer coils (unfortunately this can't be a push/pull as it has 3 positions) and another switch (CAN be a push/pull) to turn on the middle p'up.



What I'm still looking for in order to use your exact switching request would be 2 diagrams using STANDARD 5 way switches.
If you can find 2 diagrams like this that have all the positions you want between them, then you simply wire each half of a superswitch with the diagrams and put in a switch to choose between halves (a superswitch is just 2 5-ways stuck together).
Well, I really dont want to do that, because I dont want all extra switches and such.

Would this be possible? The top is standard JEM wiring. I think the only one that might not be possible is both hums on full, would it be possible in the top set (with the push/pull down?)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i147/littlephil_23/guitarwiring-1.gif

wiliscool
02-24-2009, 02:50 AM
Well the JEM wiring uses a superswitch, so it would take up both of the poles by itself.

I know you don't want extra switches, but I'm gonna keep recommending other options anyway :P

If you were willing to give up the outer coils of both p'ups option (4 on the bottom row), you could do a 6-way rotary switch and a push-pull for coil splitting.

littlephil
02-24-2009, 02:58 AM
Yeah, I could do that, but I want a 5 way because otherwise I'll have to order a custom pickguard. The positions that I really want are:
TOP: 1, 2, 3, 4
BOTTOM: 2, 3, 5 and maybe 1
The others were just to fill up the spaces really.

wiliscool
02-24-2009, 03:20 AM
Counting from the right?

And you wouldn't need a new pickguard; just drill a hole in the middle of the slot for the 5-way, the rotary knob will cover it up.

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 03:42 AM
Yup. I did that to my strat.

littlephil
02-24-2009, 04:15 AM
Counting from the right?

And you wouldn't need a new pickguard; just drill a hole in the middle of the slot for the 5-way, the rotary knob will cover it up.
Yeah from the right. I really dont want to modify the pickguard, if I screw it up its $100. And its a clear guard, and they crack easy I think.

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 09:34 AM
Baz: Yup, that's it.

What I wanted to know actually is the pinout of the switch in this wiring in order to understand it and being able to modify it.

But the 5 way switch pinouts I've found so far don't agree with THIS (http://www.schecterguitars.com/schematic/schecter_BLACKJACKS.pdf) wiring at all.




Can anyone tell me what kind of switch is this, or where can I find the pinout for this bitch?

chris024
02-24-2009, 09:43 AM
i looked through the first few posts and didnt find what i was looking for on those sites, maybe someone can point me in the right direction...

im looking to wire up a HB(neck), SC(bridge) with tone for each, master volume and a blend knob for my pickup selector.

would i do:

500k for HB tone
250k for SC tone
250k for volume
250k for blend?

also the wiring kinda confuses me, any help is appreciated. im half good at wiring stuff, and i'll try to make my own diagram if no one can do is quick and easy if i can be pointed in the right direction if its not already out there online. thank you.

sorry to quote myself, but if i took a wiring diargram, with a 3-way toggle, with the 2 tone and 1 volume ,could i put the blend pot in the toggle position? would the 3 wires going to it be enough for the blend pot? i know very little about blend pots, and i need some direction. thank you.

bellerophon
02-24-2009, 12:42 PM
@chris024

Stew Mac pots

http://www.stewmac.com/FreeInfo/Electronics/Pots/i-4137.html

2 inputs (pickups tones), 1 ouput (m vol) should work.

LateStart
02-24-2009, 01:36 PM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18761219&postcount=389

Can anyone help with that?

bellerophon
02-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Looks like the Yamaha (front?) is only 2 conductor (red+green) so no splitty-splitty unless you open up the pickup and really mess about with it to create 4 wires (North/South Start+Finish) if it's possible with that pickup. (You might have guessed I'm totally against this idea).

The SD JB can be split with one pp pot. As per the wiring diagrams linked on page 1.

You can reverse the phases of both pickups though with pp pots and I think it sounds different enough to be worthwhile, you might disagree. Phase wiring links on page 1 also.

That's all 3 pps used up. If you wanted to use toggles you could get a few more tones out of the JB (series/parallel).

LateStart
02-24-2009, 05:26 PM
The diagram is not 100%. I should have mentioned that both pickups are 4 wire pickups and can be split.

I don't want to add any switches so I'll stick with what I can get out of 3 push/pulls.

Splitting the pickups is easy it seems. I guess my question now is about the phasing part. According to this: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=phase_switch_coil_split_hb

I need 2 push/pulls to accomplish a tap/phase? If that's true, then I'd need 4 pots, which I don't have. Or can I use 1 push/pull to tap both pups at the same time?

chris024
02-24-2009, 06:12 PM
@chris024

Stew Mac pots

http://www.stewmac.com/FreeInfo/Electronics/Pots/i-4137.html

2 inputs (pickups tones), 1 ouput (m vol) should work.


thank you, i dont know how i missed that on stew macs site. im going to make a ms paint diagram and have you guys see if its right.

edit: its a bit messy, but is this right with the pickups going to the blend then the tones? or should i run the pickup outputs through the tone middle lug then to the blend pot?

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 07:47 PM
What I wanted to know actually is the pinout of the switch in this wiring in order to understand it and being able to modify it.

But the 5 way switch pinouts I've found so far don't agree with THIS (http://www.schecterguitars.com/schematic/schecter_BLACKJACKS.pdf) wiring at all.




Can anyone tell me what kind of switch is this, or where can I find the pinout for this bitch?


bump

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 07:52 PM
baz: I think that switch is just a blade version of the PCB switches. Same pinout.

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 07:59 PM
baz: I think that switch is just a blade version of the PCB switches. Same pinout.


You mean the same switch discussed in my earlier post?

If so, I think it wouldnt agree with the wiring

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 08:06 PM
What is it you are wanting to do, exaclty?

chris024
02-24-2009, 08:07 PM
jim can you look a few posts up at my attempt at a diagram and see if i made it right?

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 08:14 PM
Chris: Your diagram looks like it checks out.

FFR: A 'blend pot' is just a pot wired to blend things. It isn't a special pot.

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 08:14 PM
What is it you are wanting to do, exaclty?

Well, I'd like to know if I can rewire the switch to have in positions 2 and 4 only one of the coils on, not a hum-cancelling configuration

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 08:22 PM
I don't think so...

I think you'd need a push-pull. Wire the coils you DON'T want to have on in those positions to each pole of the switch and ground the upper throws.

Wire the bottom throws to their respective spots on the switch.

That way it acts as a master coil tap when pulled up.

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 08:28 PM
Thats a good idea.

Any clue about the switch though?

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 08:32 PM
I'm not sure about the switch...SYK or Bellerophon may know. I'm not too good with oddities like these. :(

bazuriya
02-24-2009, 08:50 PM
Thank you soo much Jim for your time :)

You are always really helpful and willing to help :cheers:

If somehow I find it out I'll let you know

Invader Jim
02-24-2009, 11:52 PM
:cheers:

bellerophon
02-25-2009, 04:32 AM
@latestart

you can split 2 pickups with 1 pp pot. just wire to different sides (row of 3).

@chris

either way works (as Jim said) but I'd go pickup to tone to blend for ease as the blend pot will get a bit crowded with all the wires.

LateStart
02-25-2009, 11:07 AM
Excuse the crappy pic. But would this be the correct way to wire coil taps AND phase switching? I realize I need another pot for the phase switching the other humbucker.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/evolvedrs/Random/2h_2v_1t_3w_pp1.jpg

FloggingMolly87
02-25-2009, 10:52 PM
This might be a reallly simple question, so sorry for asking in advance, but i have a cheap ESP ltd f-10, it has one humbucker(bridge), and one single coil, one tone and one volume, can anyone find a wiring diagram of this?

Boogie Man
02-25-2009, 11:25 PM
This might be a reallly simple question, so sorry for asking in advance, but i have a cheap ESP ltd f-10, it has one humbucker(bridge), and one single coil, one tone and one volume, can anyone find a wiring diagram of this?

First page, when will people learn, always check the first page.

littlephil
02-26-2009, 01:07 AM
Counting from the right?

And you wouldn't need a new pickguard; just drill a hole in the middle of the slot for the 5-way, the rotary knob will cover it up.
Dont worry about it. Someone on Jemsite was able to help me with the wiring. But could you verify that this will work?
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv80/pofson/wiring20090224.gif

bellerophon
02-26-2009, 01:51 PM
@littlephil

ow ow ow :confus:

At great personal risk (both mental & physical) I finally deciphered that diagram. It looks like it works as shown on the chart. I don't envy the wiring job though :p:

Obviously you need a superswitch to do it with normal being the lower chart and pp engaged (leftmost pins) being the upper pickup chart.

Now I need to go drop my eyes in a relaxing bath in a darkened room!

Good luck!
:wtf:

bellerophon
02-26-2009, 02:23 PM
@LateStart

The diagram looks fine. Bear in mind that reversing the phase of the other Humbucker will just put both back in-phase (i.e. normal) so is pretty pointless imo :D

@bazuriya

There might be a logic to the switching on the Schecter diagram but I can't see it, the pins seem to almost be random and the common out particularly (to my mind) is in an odd place.

So I'm no use to you there :( hopefully SYK or someone who has the switch might be able to help.

helsinki_vampir
02-26-2009, 02:47 PM
Hi,
I need help with a wiring diagram. could someone write down the exact wiring diagram to install 2 single coils (neck and middle) and a Seymour duncan hotrail with 1 master volume, 2 tone, 2-way killswitch and a 3-way strat (not lp) style switch. I tried to go after the diagrams on the Seymour Duncan web page but got confused and screwed up the wiring and only the middle is working. Just a diagram with the exact location where which wire goes. I would be very thankful if anybody could help.

Invader Jim
02-26-2009, 03:31 PM
Go to the second post and look at the "odd and nice-sounding" diagram. You can work out the ks yourself; they aren't hard.

:cheers:

LateStart
02-26-2009, 03:31 PM
@LateStart

The diagram looks fine. Bear in mind that reversing the phase of the other Humbucker will just put both back in-phase (i.e. normal) so is pretty pointless imo :D

Ahh, ok. One Seymour Duncan diagram mentioned that phase switching does not work unless both pickups were used. I read that as meaning both need to be switched.

Thanks!

helsinki_vampir
02-26-2009, 04:14 PM
I'm horrible at figuring stuff out but I mad this blanc shematic. that is the exact setup i have.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3339/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img144/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg/1/)

Hope you can help me how to go from here.

littlephil
02-27-2009, 02:16 AM
@littlephil

ow ow ow :confus:

At great personal risk (both mental & physical) I finally deciphered that diagram. It looks like it works as shown on the chart. I don't envy the wiring job though :p:

Obviously you need a superswitch to do it with normal being the lower chart and pp engaged (leftmost pins) being the upper pickup chart.

Now I need to go drop my eyes in a relaxing bath in a darkened room!

Good luck!
:wtf:
Push/Pull up is the top one? How would you go about doing that the other way around, so push/pull down is the top one?

Also the guy who made it for me said that the neck pickup had to be not flipped like it usually is. Did you check it assuming the neck pup was flipped or not?

bellerophon
02-27-2009, 12:16 PM
@littlephil

Swap the top and bottom pins on the pp pot.
I.e. - If you reversed the pins on the pp switch from:
X A to D E
B C B C
D E X AWhere:
A=1st row (from left)
B=Neck + 3rd row pos 1
C=3rd row
D=3rd row pos 5
E=2nd row
X=Empty

Then it should reverse which coils (charts) are in use when the pp pot is engaged, making the middle coils available when the pp is in the down (normal pot) position.

I made no assumptions on the pickups. Given the wiring colours (DiMarzio are they?) the switch positions would give you the coils indicated in red on the chart, hum cancelling or not.

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 04:28 PM
Everyone who asks a question in here should read the first page; there are links to TEACH you about this stuff (in red), plus I explained switches in a decent amount of detail. If you learn about the components and how they interact, you can do this stuff for yourself, and maybe even help out others! Please read up on this stuff.

helsinki_vampir
02-27-2009, 06:21 PM
I tried but I can't seem to get it to work. already posted the blanc schematic.
Just help me out by drawing where which wire goes.

LateStart
02-27-2009, 06:24 PM
@LateStart

The diagram looks fine. Bear in mind that reversing the phase of the other Humbucker will just put both back in-phase (i.e. normal) so is pretty pointless imo :D


Cool, I did the phase part of this last night and it's pretty cool. I'm going to try to finish up the coil tapping tonight and see. This combined with my newly finished ds-1 mod gets me a lot of different sounds. :)

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Okay, here's one I don't think is covered: I have a preamp (Randall SL+ module) that I want to mod with a DPDT switch that will basically take the value of the C3 cap (bass cap) from .0015uF to .0022uF. How exactly would that be wired up? I heard something about a capacitance formula and using a wire to go from the switch to the PCB, but have seen no actual diagrams of this that actually shows me how it's done.

Also, does anybody happen to know what the minimum voltage handling for this cap should be? The one currently in the module (.001uF) says on the top row: P102J, and 630H. on the bottom row. I guess the top part shows the uF rating, but what is the bottom row and what does it mean?

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 08:17 PM
IDK about the bottom part. The top part is the capacitor code. 102 means .01uF. J is a tolerance rating. IDR what it means, doesn't matter too terribly much.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2z82dg9.gif

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 08:43 PM
So that's both caps with a lead in one hole and a wire leading from the switch to the other hole? how would I lead from the caps to the switch, as it's some distance between the positions they'll be in.

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 08:46 PM
Just attach them to wires, dude...

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 08:48 PM
K, cool :D I'm profoundly new to electronics; I'm mostly getting this diagram for the guy I'm gonna have doing it because at least he has like 5 years of soldering behind him :p:

EDIT: The modules have "bright" switches, and they don't appear to be connected to anything but the PCB. How do they work?

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 08:52 PM
Prolly switchs in a different cap. Idk... Not familiar with those modules.

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 08:54 PM
http://www.grailtone.com/images/randall-pdf/SLPlus_PCB.pdf
There's the PCB layout, if it helps any. But on the module, I don't see any caps connected to it or how it could be connected to another cap :confused:

EDIT: You might wanna rotate that clockwise and zoom in to about 125%. SW1 BRT is the bright switch I was referring to.

EDIT2: Just realize it doesn't show how everything is linked up xD
http://www.amp-rocks.com/drafts/SL_1.pdf

There's slight changes in the two, this is an old layout before they switched the midrange circuit to the JCM800 specs and lowered the bass cap (the values on the PDF layout from Grailtone are the right ones).

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 09:17 PM
Ta-daaaa.

http://i42.tinypic.com/30aezdi.png

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 09:28 PM
*rips his module apart* So, it's taking it from no cap when off (c2) to a cap (c1) when on?

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 09:30 PM
I think so. Looks like it just bridges that pot to C2. Is that a tone pot?

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 09:34 PM
Sweet :D

Jim, I think you'd love these amps once you got a hold of one ;) So many modules, so much modification...

Anywho, thanks for the tips :)

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 09:36 PM
I edited my post. Did you see? (I wants me a Bugera, btw.)

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 09:40 PM
Ah, I see (these amps blow Bugera away :p: )

And AH! I see :) Actually, the VR1 is the gain pot. Then Bass, mid, treble, and level in that order.

zakkwyldefan79
02-27-2009, 09:41 PM
I edited my post. Did you see? (I wants me a Bugera, btw.)
I've heard Bugeras sound great but have had some reliability issues.

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 09:47 PM
I've heard Bugeras sound great but have had some reliability issues.
I'm sure he's heard of the issues many times over :) Only problems that have arisen in the MTS series that still persist are in the RM100 with fuses blowing :D.

Invader Jim
02-27-2009, 09:48 PM
To the Jim thread!

Awaaayyy!

Shinozoku
02-27-2009, 09:48 PM
Indeed!!!!

Murphy2122
02-28-2009, 12:38 AM
http://i43.tinypic.com/i1i1k0.jpg
This is a diagram of the current wiring in my strat. The middle pup should be controlled by the TBX but it's not, and the neck should be controlled by the other tone pot but it isn't as well. Any suggestions? I'm suspecting a bad 5-way switch

Invader Jim
02-28-2009, 12:53 AM
Wiring checks out. Get a DMM with a continuiy checker and test the switch (out of circuit).

Murphy2122
02-28-2009, 01:03 AM
Alright, i'll try that. thanks

Murphy2122
02-28-2009, 01:38 AM
Alright, turns out it was the switch! It seems that they weren't making clear contact, so i bent them a little bit to make a clean contact. It's a temp fix, but it works. Thanks for reaffirming that the wiring was ok, it was all a real jumble to me the way it was working.

Invader Jim
02-28-2009, 01:49 AM
:cheers: Glad I could help!

wiliscool
02-28-2009, 02:39 AM
Dont worry about it. Someone on Jemsite was able to help me with the wiring. But could you verify that this will work?
*Pic*
Damn, I was half way through drawing one up for ya :p:

Yes, that looks like it will work, but I wonder why they drew it up with 2 import switches. :confused:

SomeoneYouKnew
02-28-2009, 04:42 AM
Damn, I was half way through drawing one up for ya :p:

Yes, that looks like it will work, but I wonder why they drew it up with 2 import switches. :confused:not 2 switches. two sides of the same switch. that vlx91 is Ibanez's own version of a SuperSwitch. 24 connections, 12 on each side.

littlephil
02-28-2009, 05:53 AM
not 2 switches. two sides of the same switch. that vlx91 is Ibanez's own version of a SuperSwitch. 24 connections, 12 on each side.
Yeah, its 1 switch. 1 very expensive switch. Its gonna cost me $50.

bellerophon
02-28-2009, 06:17 AM
Yeah, its 1 switch. 1 very expensive switch. Its gonna cost me $50.This is the switch I was thinking about

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Components:_Switches_and_knobs/1/Super_Switch/Details.html#details

As long as the dimensions are correct in order to fit it has the terminals needed for your wiring and comes in at a measly $22*

*Shipping not included. Terms and conditions don't really apply. Please don't tick here for more great offers! :p:

littlephil
02-28-2009, 06:24 AM
This is the switch I was thinking about

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Components:_Switches_and_knobs/1/Super_Switch/Details.html#details

As long as the dimensions are correct in order to fit it has the terminals needed for your wiring and comes in at a measly $22*

*Shipping not included. Terms and conditions don't really apply. Please don't tick here for more great offers! :p:
That is the same thing, but its going to end up costing more because I'm in Australia, and I'm going to get the Ibanez one off ebay with the pots, cavity covers, one pickup and a few other things, so I'll save on postage rather than buying just 1 thing from there.

helsinki_vampir
02-28-2009, 08:12 PM
I'm horrible at figuring stuff out but I mad this blanc shematic. that is the exact setup i have.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3339/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img144/wirediagrammykramerblan.jpg/1/)

Hope you can help me how to go from here.

Come on guys. I really need help with this one. :(

littlephil
02-28-2009, 08:41 PM
^Any particular reason for the 3 way instead of a 5 way?
And what do you want for the tones? Neck and Mid, Bridge and Neck etc.
You need to give a bit more info than just a picture.

wiliscool
02-28-2009, 08:49 PM
not 2 switches. two sides of the same switch. that vlx91 is Ibanez's own version of a SuperSwitch. 24 connections, 12 on each side.
I realize; I've just never seen it drawn up that way.

Yeah, its 1 switch. 1 very expensive switch. Its gonna cost me $50.
Wow, I actually just bought one on Friday for $18 American. That sucks man.

Invader Jim
02-28-2009, 09:14 PM
helsinki_vampir: Just use the links to piece together the diagram. It's not hard.

helsinki_vampir
02-28-2009, 09:20 PM
^Any particular reason for the 3 way instead of a 5 way?
And what do you want for the tones? Neck and Mid, Bridge and Neck etc.
You need to give a bit more info than just a picture.

Since I only use the neck and bridge pickup and rarely the the middle it would be "faster" (yeah right ;) ) and simpler. for the tone thing I would say T1 for neck and middle and T2 for the bridge.

Invader Jim
02-28-2009, 09:21 PM
A 3-way has identical connections to a 5-way...

helsinki_vampir
03-05-2009, 03:16 PM
Still have problems. put back the 5-way switch. position 1 and 5 don't work. also I''m getting hum from the guitar unless i touch a metal part on the guitar. the pics below show how it is wired right now. Anybody who sees where I did something wrong?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8813/dscf0599.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0599.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/dscf0599.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img15/dscf0599.jpg/1/)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8420/dscf0600.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0600.jpg)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/dscf0600.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img217/dscf0600.jpg/1/)
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7627/dscf0601.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0601.jpg)
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/dscf0601.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img21/dscf0601.jpg/1/)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1576/dscf0602.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0602.jpg)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/dscf0602.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img147/dscf0602.jpg/1/)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9561/dscf0603q.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0603q.jpg)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/dscf0603q.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img26/dscf0603q.jpg/1/)

Invader Jim
03-05-2009, 03:27 PM
1. That's looks pretty sloppy. :p: Maybe undo it all and start over? Just get a printout of the Strat diagram from SD and highlight each connection as you make it. Or not. Dwyw. :shrug:

2. That green jumper on the switch: Is it connecting the poles? It looks like the import switches (can't really tell) and if it has the same pinout, those aren't the poles.

3. Snip the leg of that cap wher it goes to the tone lug. It could short to the foil and make your tone pot useless.

littlemurph7976
03-05-2009, 04:17 PM
Hey, Ive got an interesting wiring system in my RG I thought Id share. I hoped to wire it in myself, but I couldnt find a diagram anywhere and Im useless with electronics anyway haha.

So it started out as your typical RG, but I bought a set of BK Pickups and 2 push/pull pots. Its now wired with the 5 way switch as normal but the tone pot splits the bridge hum, and the volume pot splits the neck hum. So now its possible to turn it into a strat. Id never seen this before and wondered if you had a link to a diagram anywhere? I did search through your regular sites like the SD sight and I remember posting a thread on here about it too but nobody knew at the time.

Im asking because I hope to build a new body for my RG and it wont have a pickguard so Ill have to re-wire all the electronics in the new body. Any help appreciated :cheers:

Invader Jim
03-05-2009, 04:35 PM
Just go to the SD link and under the Humbucker Guitar drop-down, click on HSH, 1v, 1t, 2 push-pulls.

I'm assuming the guitar in question is HSH?

helsinki_vampir
03-05-2009, 05:21 PM
1. That's looks pretty sloppy. :p: Maybe undo it all and start over? Just get a printout of the Strat diagram from SD and highlight each connection as you make it. Or not. Dwyw. :shrug:

2. That green jumper on the switch: Is it connecting the poles? It looks like the import switches (can't really tell) and if it has the same pinout, those aren't the poles.

3. Snip the leg of that cap wher it goes to the tone lug. It could short to the foil and make your tone pot useless.

1. will have to do so.

2. thsi is the diagram I'm using:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_2s_1v_2t_5w
the green cable that jumps is the one between thr fist on the right side to the last on the left. Or do I understand the switch wrong. it goes 1,3,5,7 on the left and 2,4,6,8 on the right. and on the one I use it's just that they are in line, right?

3. will do so.

Heilz
03-05-2009, 06:09 PM
Sup guys (And Jim :P) Some might know i'm modding my squier right now and i got this crazy idea (Well, it's not crazy but i can't find scheme for it and i really suck at making this sort-ish of stuff lulz?)

My plan is to use ONE JUMBUCKER as a bridge and have one vol and one tone knob but also have a les paul switch that could turn the guitar into a single coil (If this is even possible) If you could use a LP switch that would JUST ROCK since i have one around =.= Or one of those mini SPDT or DPDT switches? Well, anything really works as long as it's not that ugly lever i'm happy.

I will also add some more stuff but i can do the rest hehe, i just need help on these's

mikeyElite
03-05-2009, 06:13 PM
dpdt switches are my favorite for coil splitting.

Invader Jim
03-05-2009, 08:25 PM
2. thsi is the diagram I'm using:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_2s_1v_2t_5w
the green cable that jumps is the one between thr fist on the right side to the last on the left. Or do I understand the switch wrong. it goes 1,3,5,7 on the left and 2,4,6,8 on the right. and on the one I use it's just that they are in line, right?Ah, I see your problem. You're mis-interpreting the switch. Sadly, this happens alot. Did you read post 4 of this thread? I explained in detail how these things work and how they are wired. In the second post, there is a pinout for common lever switches. You wired the switch wrong; the blade switch in the diagram and the switch you're actually using are mechanically totally different.

TL;DR: You are mis-interpreting the switch wiring and wired your switch wrong. Just look at post 2 for a pinout and post 4 to learn how it works.

:cheers:

My plan is to use ONE JUMBUCKER as a bridge and have one vol and one tone knob but also have a les paul switch that could turn the guitar into a single coil (If this is even possible) If you could use a LP switch that would JUST ROCK since i have one around =.= Or one of those mini SPDT or DPDT switches? Well, anything really works as long as it's not that ugly lever i'm happy.
Yeah, I've done this before. All you need is a SPST switch. Wire the series link wires to the middle lug (pole) and ground the other lug.

That's it. If you use the LP switch, you'll only use half of it. Read post 4 to learn about how the switch works. If you get it, it'll make things much smoother.

:cheers:

helsinki_vampir
03-06-2009, 11:13 AM
So I did some cleaning up and used the links in post 2 and the diagram from SD for 1 hum (since the bridge is a hotrail), 2 single, 1 vol, 2 tone and 5-way switch (posted in my last post before this one). Now is this right so far?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4098/dscf0604i.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0604i.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5686/dscf0605.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0605.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2051/dscf0606.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0606.jpg)
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helsinki_vampir
03-06-2009, 06:14 PM
2 more questions. Does it matter if I solder the hot wire of the killswitch to the input jack or volume pot? and where do I have to solder the ground wire that comes from the tremolo cavity?

Mootallica
03-06-2009, 06:27 PM
Hey. I am rebuilding a strat, and have purchased a set of 81/85 EMG Humbuckers. I am using a 3 way tele switch, to simply switch between neck, neck/bridge, bridge.

The 81/85 humbuckers came with all of the pots that I need, however, each are wired together as 1 volume, 1 tone. I want to wire the strat with 1 Volume, 2 tone. I'm not sure how to go about wiring the second tone pot by cutting it off from another volume then wiring it all together, then wiring it to the switch.

This is the picture of the switch:

http://www.choppersmusic.com/CHOPPRODUCTS/SW20.jpg

All the diagrams I have found do not seem to use this sort of switch. However, would wiring of this switch be the same as the standard Stratocaster 5-Way Switch?

If you could make up a diagram for me, I would forever be in your debt.



To help you out to explain it easier, I've made this paint diagram, I just need help as to where I have to link what. If you could edit in paint, using the same colours, as to where everything should be linked, I would be very grateful. Thanks :)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5281/wiringhelp.png

Invader Jim
03-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Did you even read the 2nd or 4th posts? There's a pinout of common switches in post 2 and a long explanation of how they work in post 4. There's a reason I wrote all that stuff...

helsinki_vampir
03-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Did you even read the 2nd or 4th posts? There's a pinout of common switches in post 2 and a long explanation of how they work in post 4. There's a reason I wrote all that stuff...

Me or Mootallica?

I only posted to ask the 2 questions and for someone to look at the soldering I've done and that it is right so far.

Invader Jim
03-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Sorry... It was at mootallica.

vampir: Doesn't matter where the killswitch is soldered to, as long as it connects the hot and gnd when pressed.

All grounds got to a pot casing.

Wiring looks ok. Does it still not work?

Mootallica
03-06-2009, 08:29 PM
Hey. I've looked at the switch diagrams there, and I'm looking at the 8 pole switch that's been opened, that his listed the tones/volume/pups.

What is confusing me though is that I'm running through only two pickups, and not the third, so, from 1-8, what would have to be soldered where?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot lol, but I've never done anything like this before.

Thanks for the help.

helsinki_vampir
03-06-2009, 08:33 PM
Haven't installed it yet. just wanted someone to say it looks ok so that I have someone that knows **** an not like me just troughs himself into it and just does it without knowing anything. right now it's 1:30 in the morning so I'm going to do it tomorrow. will post again and tell if it works.

Last thing is about the ground fire from the trem. where should I solder it. just like everything else to the volume pot?

Invader Jim
03-06-2009, 08:38 PM
vampir: Yes. Hoipe it works for you. :cheers:

mootallica: Ok, there's another diagram in the second post. The "Interesting homemade guitar form 1960" pic. It has 2 pups with a 3-way. Ust the pinout pic to translate it for YOUR switch (3 and 5 pos. are electrically identical). The EMG site tells all about power wiring. :cheers:

Mootallica
03-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Just one more question (and thanks a heap for the help so far).

The switch I'm using, the 8 poles, 2-3, 4-5, 6-7 are connected with each other, leaving 1 and 8 free on their own... Would I still just wire the pickups/tone/volume pots to their respective spot on the switch?

Invader Jim
03-06-2009, 08:53 PM
That's...odd...

Just undo all that and wire it as shown. If you wire it like that with the connected lugs, it'll just short everything and make the switch useless.

helsinki_vampir
03-06-2009, 09:02 PM
just want to make sure since it looks like you skipt part of what i ask. Ground wire from the trem. Should it be connected to the volume pods ground?

Mootallica
03-06-2009, 09:13 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8450/p3070033.jpg

That's the image of the switch lugs. I can easily cut those "joiners" with some metal snips without any real problem, so that's fine. A quick question as well, to ground the switch, where do I solder the ground wire onto? Do I just solder it on the metal base of the switch to the volume pot, like everything else, then direct onto the trem for the ground?

LATE EDIT:

My main intention for the switch was to select between Neck, Neck/Bridge, Bridge. So far, looking at what I've done myself in the diagram I'm drawing, I have it all connected, so the Neck and Bridge run seperately on the switch, but I'm a bit confused as to how I'd wire the switch so when it is straight up (running on the 2/7 lugs) for both pickups to run simultaneously. I've looked at the diagram, and it honestly isn't making sense to me (purely because I can't understand it lol). Any help with that?

Here's what I'm trying to explain (That 60's 3way switch did help a little bit, especially with grounding (something I was getting confused with too)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5281/wiringhelp.png




ANOTHER EDIT:

Just looking at this switch now, I came up with an idea, not sure if it will work, but I might be able to get it to work like this.

I wire like this:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7299/switchpossible.png

What that would mean, is the neck tone would always work in conjunction with the neck pup, as the bridge one would, however, it would allow me to pick either the Bridge, Bridge/Neck, Neck selections.

The reason that the 1st and 8th lugs are wired directly to their corresponding pups is that if the switch was selected in the middle, the tone pots would be bypassed.

Would that work, or would it short, if all of them were grounded?

chris024
03-06-2009, 11:18 PM
i searched, nothing came up, i want to build a footswitch for my amp, a fender hot rod deluxe. the factory one is just for gain on/off and gain1/gain2. thats all im really looking for, if reverb on/off is possible, it would be nice, but not needed. how would i go about this? can i be pointed in the right direction?

Invader Jim
03-07-2009, 12:40 AM
Chris024: Idk anything about the HRD. Maybe ask kurtlives91?

vampir: For the third time, yes. The trem ground is still a ground. All grounds go to a pot casing.

moot: holy woah. Don't snip those. If they are MADE like that, it must be important. I have never seen one of those before...

Mootallica
03-07-2009, 01:29 AM
So, what do you think I should do Jim?

That last picture i posted there, do you think that wiring config would work?

Invader Jim
03-07-2009, 01:42 AM
In that second pic, you'll have to jumper some legs. Look carefully at how the '60s diagram is wired. See how there are two legs on each side (pole) that are connected? You HAVE to have the switch connected like that (where the resistors are going). Just look very carefully...

Idk about the third pic. You'll have to get a continuity checker and make yourself a truth table for the switch. Then post it and I can look it over.

Mootallica
03-07-2009, 01:44 AM
In that second pic, you'll have to jumper some legs. Look carefully at how the '60s diagram is wired. See how there are two legs on each side (pole) that are connected? You HAVE to have the switch connected like that (where the resistors are going). Just look very carefully...

Idk about the third pic. You'll have to get a continuity checker and make yourself a truth table for the switch. Then post it and I can look it over.

Just another thing... I still have the old strat 5-selector switch, works fine.

If I wired that in (as it would normally be wired, minus the middle pup), would I have dead spots at the 2 and 4 switch selections, or would they act the same as the third?

Invader Jim
03-07-2009, 01:49 AM
It won't be a dead spot and it won't be like the third. :p: It'll just be where pos. 1 and 2 are bridge pup only, 4 and 5 are neck only, and 3 is middle only, i.e. both.

Mootallica
03-07-2009, 01:50 AM
It won't be a dead spot and it won't be like the third. :p: It'll just be where pos. 1 and 2 are bridge pup only, 4 and 5 are neck only, and 3 is middle only.

I might just do that then - It will save me a BIG headache :)

Thanks for that, that's all the help I think I'll need :)

SomeoneYouKnew
03-07-2009, 09:08 AM
So I did some cleaning up and used the links in post 2 and the diagram from SD for 1 hum (since the bridge is a hotrail), 2 single, 1 vol, 2 tone and 5-way switch (posted in my last post before this one). Now is this right so far?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4098/dscf0604i.jpgOh my! I think we have a problem.

Your switch is NOT a typical import version of a fender 5-way.
It appears to be an Ibanez VLX53.

This seems to be the least documented, most misunderstood switch you could find on a guitar. I just recently got some second-hand info about this and cleaned up the drawing and made a "truth-table". But I have no first-hand experience with this switch. If you're willing to work with me on this, we might be able to sort this out and determine EXACTLY what goes on inside that switch. Are you up for some good old-fashioned "reverse engineering"?






If so, here is what you'll need to do.

1 - disconnect the wiring from the switch. they're gonna be in the wrong places anyway.

2 - use an ohmmeter to determine which lugs are connected together in each of the various positions of the switch.

3 - i don't know if the terminals are marked with those letters or if that was just something someone added to the drawing. Please tell me?

4 - i don't know if these drawings are correct if the "flat" side of the switch is facing you, or if the "bulged" side should be facing you. Please tell me?

5 - the top drawing is with the lever all the way to the right. the bottom is with the lever all the way to the left.

6 - Please confirm that all the connections between terminals agrees with the drawings and the "truth table" for each lever position. if there are any connections that have not been indicated or if any of them are wrong, please tell me?

Truth Table:

1. A-D

2. A-B-D | W-X-Z

3. A-C-D | Y-Z

4. B-C-D | X-Z

5. C-D | Y-Z

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/SomeoneYouKnew/schematics/VLX53.jpg

also, i think bazuriya might have this same kind of switch. i didn't have any of this info when last i spoke with him. he might be able to help confirm some of this from checking his switch, idk.

helsinki_vampir
03-07-2009, 11:46 AM
Oh my! I think we have a problem.

Your switch is NOT a typical import version of a fender 5-way.
It appears to be an Ibanez VLX53.

This seems to be the least documented, most misunderstood switch you could find on a guitar. I just recently got some second-hand info about this and cleaned up the drawing and made a "truth-table". But I have no first-hand experience with this switch. If you're willing to work with me on this, we might be able to sort this out and determine EXACTLY what goes on inside that switch. Are you up for some good old-fashioned "reverse engineering"?






If so, here is what you'll need to do.

1 - disconnect the wiring from the switch. they're gonna be in the wrong places anyway.

2 - use an ohmmeter to determine which lugs are connected together in each of the various positions of the switch.

3 - i don't know if the terminals are marked with those letters or if that was just something someone added to the drawing. Please tell me?

4 - i don't know if these drawings are correct if the "flat" side of the switch is facing you, or if the "bulged" side should be facing you. Please tell me?

5 - the top drawing is with the lever all the way to the right. the bottom is with the lever all the way to the left.

6 - Please confirm that all the connections between terminals agrees with the drawings and the "truth table" for each lever position. if there are any connections that have not been indicated or if any of them are wrong, please tell me?

Truth Table:

1. A-D

2. A-B-D | W-X-Z

3. A-C-D | Y-Z

4. B-C-D | X-Z

5. C-D | Y-Z

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/SomeoneYouKnew/schematics/VLX53.jpg

also, i think bazuriya might have this same kind of switch. i didn't have any of this info when last i spoke with him. he might be able to help confirm some of this from checking his switch, idk.

Of course I will help. only problem is that I don't have an ohmmeter and all shops are closed. It will take me untill Monday to do this. also I just put my laptop on the table that I work at when I solder. I will unsolder the switch tomorrow or later today. I will then tell you if it has the letters on it or not. I will see if I can find a shop thats close that has an ohmmeter or just go to the guitar shop and lend theirs.
Only things is how do you test it the correct way? just a short crash course on how to do it.