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nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:21 PM
I know hendrix but were there others? And if this isn't the right forum I apologize, I couldn't figure if there was another more appropriate one.

KwikKopy
12-12-2008, 08:23 PM
I heard Slash couldn't read music

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dubstar92
12-12-2008, 08:24 PM
I heard Slash couldn't play music

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fixed

perry589
12-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Thom Yorke.

GodofGuitar1991
12-12-2008, 08:26 PM
mustaine

djrue211
12-12-2008, 08:26 PM
Srv

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 08:26 PM
Hetfield can't and I don't think Hammet can either, at least thats what they said in some VH1 interview.

jakewynnrocks
12-12-2008, 08:27 PM
im pretty sure jimmy page couldnt, i dont think he even knew any scales. he just played everything by what sounded right....

Metallica708
12-12-2008, 08:27 PM
Lots.

Does it matter?

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Hetfield can't and I don't think Hammet can either, at least thats what they said in some VH1 interview. I'm pretty sure Syn Gates can't either.
Syn studied music in some fancy college i thought

W3115
12-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Tommy Emmanuel can't

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Srv
wow no way

TheFly_1990
12-12-2008, 08:29 PM
I'm not sure BB King can, on several documentaries and tours i hear the line "I'm no good with chords"

rabidguitarist
12-12-2008, 08:29 PM
Like, every metal guitarist.

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
Syn studied music in some fancy college i thought
I heard in some interview that he learned to play by playing along with the radio. I could be wrong but I doubt it, I think Zacky learned the same way. (which is also how I learned :) )

cthuludawn21
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
Me

will123456789
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
im pretty sure jimmy page couldnt, i dont think he even knew any scales. he just played everything by what sounded right....
he did

its call the A minor pentatonic scale.. got a good few albums out of that scale.

and i think its terrible that people at the top of the music business cannot read music.. like in the time of classical music, that was what it was based on, like mozart etc. all the pop acts i doubt can read music..

but meh, life is life.

GuitarNinja12
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
um... Pretty much all famous guitarists cant read music.

/pointless thread

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
yeah me neither

mr_personality
12-12-2008, 08:31 PM
all of them except those theory geeks and classical guitarists

silversoulcage
12-12-2008, 08:31 PM
Me


HAHA.

+1

tommytomtomtom
12-12-2008, 08:31 PM
paul mccartney couldnt (tho he wasnt that great-just ok)

TremontiIsAGod
12-12-2008, 08:31 PM
i dont think dimebag could read music

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:31 PM
he did

its call the A minor pentatonic scale.. got a good few albums out of that scale.

and i think its terrible that people at the top of the music business cannot read music.. like in the time of classical music, that was what it was based on, like mozart etc. all the pop acts i doubt can read music..

but meh, life is life.
he did meaning he read music or he did just use the a minor pent scale

dubstar92
12-12-2008, 08:32 PM
paul mccartney couldnt (tho he wasnt that great-just ok)
He was a bassist not guitarist.

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 08:33 PM
i dont think dimebag could read music
I think you are right, but his buddy Zakk is a classically trained (although he doesn't play like that) guitar player.

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:33 PM
He was a bassist not guitarist.and a penist

dubstar92
12-12-2008, 08:34 PM
and a penist
:)

:confused:

:( I hope that isn't how you think you spell it

frigginjerk
12-12-2008, 08:34 PM
jimmy page was a highly successful and in-demand session musician well before he started led zeppelin. i am positive that he can read music, as could John Paul Jones.

famous players who couldn't read music:

Hendrix
Slash
Clapton

justinb904
12-12-2008, 08:34 PM
i cant

jakewynnrocks
12-12-2008, 08:34 PM
He was a bassist not guitarist.

he actually was originally the guitarist of the beatles, but when stew left, he was the only one that would do it, so he is generally reguarded as a bass player, but was a guitarist first.... :D

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:35 PM
:)

:confused:

:( I hope that isn't how you think you spell itspell waht?

-Collapse-
12-12-2008, 08:36 PM
Stop trying to make yourself feel better about not learning theory. :p:

GuitarNinja12
12-12-2008, 08:36 PM
He was a bassist not guitarist.

Your right. He's never even touched a guitar.

Iriathz
12-12-2008, 08:37 PM
Hetfield can't and I don't think Hammet can either, at least thats what they said in some VH1 interview. I'm pretty sure Syn Gates can't either.
I read in a biography that Syn attended a music college, studying jazz guitar.

That would lead me to think that he could read music, but I might be mistaken. :)

scrambler_66
12-12-2008, 08:37 PM
all the pop acts i doubt can read music..

but meh, life is life.

Depends on what aspect of pop. If you mean Jonas Brothers pop = No, but session musicians behind solo acts = Probably Yes, because when someone writes music for a song and hires a session musician, they can't sit there and go "Lemme figure out the chords." Time counts in a studio, and reading saves time.

BobChicken
12-12-2008, 08:38 PM
I heard in some interview that he learned to play by playing along with the radio. I could be wrong but I doubt it, I think Zacky learned the same way. (which is also how I learned :) )
He started off like that, but Syn went to a music college at some point. he is actually quite a theory nerd

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 08:38 PM
I read in a biography that Syn attended a music college, studying jazz guitar.

That would lead me to think that he could read music, but I might be mistaken. :)
I'll read into it, I could have had him confused with Zacky. At least one of them used to sit in their room and just practice to their stereo to learn guitar. :cheers:

Stratoblaster73
12-12-2008, 08:38 PM
I know SRV couldn't.

stratsrule1990
12-12-2008, 08:38 PM
all four beatles
but paul reads it now

CoF-Dean
12-12-2008, 08:38 PM
spell waht?

pianist

DirtyMakik
12-12-2008, 08:39 PM
i dont think dimebag could read music

Ever read his columns on GWM?

He knew **** about music.


But Lindsay Buckingham can't, though he rocks.

kurt/armstrong
12-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Kyle Gass?
wait..... nevermind

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:40 PM
pianistwho was trying to spell that?

Luke.Zeppelin
12-12-2008, 08:41 PM
BB king cant even alernate pick but what emotion he puts into it brilliant guitar player

blasphemus666
12-12-2008, 08:41 PM
all of them except those theory geeks and classical guitarists
agreed.

Altoidwithmelon
12-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Ace Frehely couldn't..idk about anyone else though

adam1451
12-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Kirk Hammett James Hetfield, Dave Mustain, almost every thrash guitarist including myself.

Luke.Zeppelin
12-12-2008, 08:42 PM
millions of famous musicians cant
the beatles dont and they created some of the greatest music ever

jambajews
12-12-2008, 08:42 PM
kurt cobain probably couldnt

CochiseOfHatora
12-12-2008, 08:43 PM
i dont think dimebag could read musicDimebag probably couldn't even read.

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:43 PM
kurt cobain probably couldntagreed

dubstar92
12-12-2008, 08:44 PM
kurt cobain probably couldnt
Well we know for sure he can't anymore.

/tasteless jokes

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 08:45 PM
I will add this. A lot of rock music and the inspiration from it came from the southern blues, created mostly by African Americans without a formal education, let alone music education. All they did was play with feel and what sounded right, leading to the inspiration for the majority of the British invasion as well as most American mainstream blues players like Hendrix, Gibbons, and SRV.

silversoulcage
12-12-2008, 08:45 PM
agreed


For sure.

Though Nirvana is far from technical.

rokknrollldude
12-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Listening to radio might be how he FIRST learned,
but :down: Synyster Gates :headbang: has a jazz guitar
degree

DirtyMakik
12-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Dimebag probably couldn't even read.

In addition, he wrote a long-running Guitar World magazine column, which has been compiled in the book Riffer Madness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimebag_Darrell

There. Everyone knows that any analphabet metal guitarist can write in this prestigious sh!t. :rolleyes:

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:46 PM
For sure.

Though Nirvana is far from technical.yes but so awesome

silversoulcage
12-12-2008, 08:49 PM
yes but so awesome


Dude I'm a die hard grunge fan. I love the **** out of Nirvana but it won't do much for you're guitar play once you get to a certain level of skill though.

xorg3
12-12-2008, 08:50 PM
clapton couldnt for a while but i think he learned

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:51 PM
Dude I'm a die hard grunge fan. I love the **** out of Nirvana but it won't do much for you're guitar play once you get to a certain level of skill though.oh hell, i started with nirvana I know what you mean but its great music and still fun to play

silversoulcage
12-12-2008, 08:52 PM
oh hell, i started with nirvana I know what you mean but its great music and still fun to play


Great music, I played the **** out of Nirvana back in the day. My old band won our schools battle of the bands contest with smells like teen spirit haha.

I'll be sitting around bored or drunk, probably both and bust out on polly and totally change up the words.

nirvanagrunge13
12-12-2008, 08:53 PM
lofl

manmanster
12-12-2008, 08:53 PM
he did

its call the A minor pentatonic scale.. got a good few albums out of that scale.

and i think its terrible that people at the top of the music business cannot read music.. like in the time of classical music, that was what it was based on, like mozart etc. all the pop acts i doubt can read music..

but meh, life is life.

The majority of music in standard notation thats applicable to jazz and classical styles. Why would you need to read music if almost all the music that you play doesn't even have sheet music available for it?

I don't think its terrible, as long as they all achieve equally impressive ends. Pat Metheny is fantastic, so is Slash, or Zakk Wylde, or any of the other incredible guitar players.

Greatness is a result of unique style, hard work, and talent. Theory and reading sheet music is only a skill that should be developed by people that would use it.

mzhang13
12-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Hetfield can't and I don't think Hammet can either, at least thats what they said in some VH1 interview. I'm pretty sure Syn Gates can't either.

Synyster Gates graduated from Musician's Institute as part of the GIT program.

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 09:01 PM
Synyster Gates graduated from Musician's Institute as part of the GIT program.
Thanks for the correction. I had always heard about him teaching himself, like it also states in the wikipedia entry you got that from, but they never talk about that in their DVD All Excess when they talk about where all the members came from, why they are in the band, etc.

Davo Ownz
12-12-2008, 09:05 PM
Whoa my teacher used to stress that i learnt it.

Now i play bass,

On topic, what bassists cant read music?

undecided1993
12-12-2008, 09:06 PM
paul mccartney couldnt (tho he wasnt that great-just ok)

Isn't he a classical composer now though? I'd think then he'd be able to read music

DespisedIcon
12-12-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm pretty sure Syn Gates can't either.

He studied Jazz guitar in college.

in2thesun88
12-12-2008, 09:14 PM
He studied Jazz guitar in college.
Read the thread...been there done that, been corrected and discussed enough.

orangefloyd
12-12-2008, 09:14 PM
I read in Slash's biography that while in High School he went for the musical courses mostly hence doing poorly on the rest of the courses but he did learn the basics in music theory from a piano teacher that teached more musical theory than actual playing.

Back on topic, reading music is a great ability but I think in most cases its more of a huge help for those normal/average "players" that need it to learn music & understand it better.

gabcd86
12-12-2008, 09:15 PM
I heard Slash couldn't read music

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Shoot your source - he lied. Slash liked three classes in high school - music theory, english and art. He just didn't apply the theory consciously.

Hadi The Ghost
12-12-2008, 09:28 PM
Chuck Schuldiner didn't know JACK and he could still write a better song than any of us

Small Print
12-12-2008, 09:30 PM
A lot of famous guitarists can't read music because it's not essential to learn as a guitarist. There are tabs and diagrams you can use to learn scales and chords. It's also harder to sight read on guitar than it is on say, a piano, as there are several different ways to play one note on guitar, where as on a piano, a D4 in one place and one place only. I don't see the point in not learning though as it can only boost your playing and open more doors for your career.

shadow__666
12-12-2008, 09:35 PM
I know that Thom Yorke and Ed O'Brien can't. Even though they say Jonny Greenwood can't either, I'm pretty sure he can because he was classically trained.

cm_punk_fan
12-12-2008, 09:37 PM
Cobain couldn't

(i only read the first page)

Small Print
12-12-2008, 09:49 PM
I know that Thom Yorke and Ed O'Brien can't. Even though they say Jonny Greenwood can't either, I'm pretty sure he can because he was classically trained.

Aye, that and the fact that he can play about 20 different instruments including Violin would suggest he can.

IHeartMyCrybaby
12-12-2008, 09:52 PM
Syn studied music in some fancy college i thought

and Kirk studied with Satch o.o

sadistic_monkey
12-12-2008, 09:54 PM
A lot of famous guitarists can't, which I think is sad. That said, I can't read it for guitar (I can for piano). However, I'm planning on taking bass grades soon so hopefully I won't be lost on that respect.

herby190
12-12-2008, 09:55 PM
I don't think Cobain could...

Edit: Nvm, someone already said this.

iceman_8319
12-12-2008, 10:01 PM
Toki and Skwisgaar :p:

XxnoobzerxX
12-12-2008, 11:10 PM
aww come on. Lets talk about hendrix anyway, he was, after all some piece of work with the guitar. I want to know exactly wat made hendrix have the ability to play like it was nothing, thats just phenomenol

Rickjames730
12-12-2008, 11:18 PM
Mmm. Reading music is so easy so I wouldn't see why they wouldn't read it. Most people at the top now I would expect to read music?

raess
12-12-2008, 11:35 PM
kurt cobain probably couldnt

Kurt Cobain could read music becuase the only way he could pass music class in high school was if he learnt it.

Iceman 420
12-12-2008, 11:37 PM
Blind Boy Fuller
Blind Lemon Jefferson
Blind Willie McTell
Blind Willie Johnson
Blind Blake

BelowZero
12-12-2008, 11:37 PM
EVH
Slash
Hendrix
Page
U2's guitarist
Hammit
i think Iommi.

theres others.

all of them except those theory geeks and classical guitarists

was randy rhoads a theroy geek? he spent his days mastering classical.

raess
12-12-2008, 11:38 PM
A lot of famous guitarists can't, which I think is sad. That said, I can't read it for guitar (I can for piano). However, I'm planning on taking bass grades soon so hopefully I won't be lost on that respect.

Why? The traditional system for writing music doesnt work for everybody. It is one out of thousands of ways to learn a song. People think that theory is the be all and end all of music but forget that music is made of sounds.

JohnnyGenzale
12-12-2008, 11:39 PM
Slash, Hendrix, Izzy are some of the ones I know.

Low_End_Rocker
12-12-2008, 11:42 PM
Why? The traditional system for writing music doesnt work for everybody. It is one out of thousands of ways to learn a song. People think that theory is the be all and end all of music but forget that music is made of sounds.

That said, you have to remember that theory is a great advantage to have. It means you don't have to flounder around for twenty minutes trying to work out which couple of notes you should have in your killer riff

CoBRaGe
12-12-2008, 11:44 PM
Toki and Skwisgaar :p:
Awww damn I wanted to say that..

raess
12-12-2008, 11:44 PM
That said, you have to remember that theory is a great advantage to have. It means you don't have to flounder around for twenty minutes trying to work out which couple of notes you should have in your killer riff

Absolutely, it's a great skill to have. It just doesnt work for everybody and thats ok.

Spartan070sarge
12-12-2008, 11:45 PM
I heard Slash couldn't read music

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Not when he first started out but he has since learned.

And by has since I mean once he started taking music lessons at age 15.

JohnnyGenzale
12-12-2008, 11:46 PM
That said, you have to remember that theory is a great advantage to have. It means you don't have to flounder around for twenty minutes trying to work out which couple of notes you should have in your killer riff

By the time you are to write a killer riff you probably know what sounds good together and what does not. If not, you'll notice it while playing in less than a second.

Spartan070sarge
12-12-2008, 11:51 PM
fixed

figures, a republican who doesn't like Slash or Harry Potter. You sir, are my polar opposite.

ohhey9040
12-12-2008, 11:52 PM
I know that Thom Yorke and Ed O'Brien can't. Even though they say Jonny Greenwood can't either, I'm pretty sure he can because he was classically trained.
No, he can. In Meeting People Is Easy, there is footage of Jonny at the keyboard during soundcheck and he plays a little lick before writing what can be faintly seen as the sheet music for the keyboard part in the song (I believe it was Climbing Up The Walls, but I'm nowhere near to 100% sure.). To add to the others that haven't been mentioned, I'm pretty positive Bob Dylan can't.

TS, don't use this as an excuse not to learn reading music or theory. Though great music can be made without it, it is much easier to communicate with professional musicians easier and it will open up more avenues for you to explore.

LazyLatinoRocke
12-12-2008, 11:53 PM
Well, I'm a infamous guitarist that can read sheet music. Does that count?

Megadeth2011
12-13-2008, 12:06 AM
Marty Friedman

Captain Insano
12-13-2008, 12:09 AM
The Beatles. At least when they started.

aradine
12-13-2008, 12:09 AM
i read somewhere that zakk wylde could but he has never actually needed to. but yeah, most guitarists who play anything other than classical or jazz will most likely not read music.

thrash232
12-13-2008, 12:12 AM
Hammet could he went to college for it.....

Mlrc
12-13-2008, 12:30 AM
Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth never really learned how to read music or even that much of music theory in general.

Sabbath-ologist
12-13-2008, 12:33 AM
You guys should at least know the difference between, being able to reed sheet music and know music theory. Most famous guitar players knew at least a bit of theory to play what they created. Even if its just basic chord structure and pentatonic boxes, and not be able to read music.

guitarsonist
12-13-2008, 01:30 AM
Pretty much all of them... Except all those neoclassical shredders

V.U.K
12-13-2008, 02:00 AM
Mustaine definately knows his theory. I'm not sure about what this is about now, but Mustaine knows his theory, and you'd have to know him on a personal level to know if he can read.

xaviergray
12-13-2008, 02:28 AM
all of them except those theory geeks and classical guitarists

You do realize that the majority of the music world looks down upon published "popular" music for this exact reason, because the famous musicians think it's nerdy to understand theory? And by the music world I mean the 99.9% of musicians who aren't famous versus the .1% that are.

Then there's all the kids in my band class, who know all the theory yet they still listen to bands like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd all the so-called "Muzak" (I heard a classical conductor say this, no joke)

in2thesun88
12-13-2008, 02:31 AM
i read somewhere that zakk wylde could but he has never actually needed to. but yeah, most guitarists who play anything other than classical or jazz will most likely not read music.
Zakk can, and he really does know his theory. He was trained by some expert in classical as well as jazz guitar, it really shows through on his early acoustic albums.

xaviergray
12-13-2008, 02:33 AM
The majority of music in standard notation thats applicable to jazz and classical styles. Why would you need to read music if almost all the music that you play doesn't even have sheet music available for it?

I don't think its terrible, as long as they all achieve equally impressive ends. Pat Metheny is fantastic, so is Slash, or Zakk Wylde, or any of the other incredible guitar players.

Greatness is a result of unique style, hard work, and talent. Theory and reading sheet music is only a skill that should be developed by people that would use it.

+1 to Pat Metheny, our school jazz band is playing First Circle... That song is the definition of music theory. I have the First Circle album, its amazing.

LedDaveZeppelin
12-13-2008, 02:44 AM
Ehh All the good ones.

2brown347
12-13-2008, 03:51 AM
I think most the guitarist how couldn't have been mensioned by now, but I don't get why people make such a big deal (not everyone does obviously) about top guitarist not being able to. SRV might not of been able to, but I know a lot of people that can and will never be a tenth of what he was on a guitar. Reading music and understanding music theory are helpful, and a great thing to know, but the fact that these guys come up with songs that people spend lots of time learning how to read music and understanding theory just to play is impressive enough to earn respect in my book. It's not hard to learn how to read music, but to have that natural talent and ear for music like so many of the "greats" do is far more important as far as I'm concerned. That's why your at home learning songs outta a G'N'R song book and Slash is on stage making tons of money coming up with the music.

tukk04
05-15-2009, 12:44 PM
Dimebag probably couldn't even read.
stfu! :mad:

darkcheef
05-15-2009, 12:48 PM
EVH
Slash
Hendrix
Page
U2's guitarist
Hammit
i think Iommi.

theres others.



was randy rhoads a theroy geek? he spent his days mastering classical.

That is bull because Page played violin before and his father was a concert violinist.

Fintrollx
05-15-2009, 01:04 PM
Chuck Schuldiner, father of Death metal. must be said already though.

EndTheRapture51
05-15-2009, 01:16 PM
Stevie Wonder probably cant.
Hes not a guitarist though.

Zoot Allures
05-15-2009, 01:22 PM
Django Reinhardt.

He couldn't read anything. He was an illiterate gypsy but he was one of the best ever

red_hot_chili18
05-15-2009, 01:23 PM
Stevie Wonder probably cant.
Hes not a guitarist though.

:haha

anyone seen stevies kids? neither has he! :p:

only gilbert can be cool AND tell you about guitar theory :p:

Venice King
05-15-2009, 01:37 PM
That is bull because Page played violin before and his father was a concert violinist.
and he was a session musician.

l33TgUiT@rd00d
05-15-2009, 02:03 PM
he did

its call the A minor pentatonic scale.. got a good few albums out of that scale.

and i think its terrible that people at the top of the music business cannot read music.. like in the time of classical music, that was what it was based on, like mozart etc. all the pop acts i doubt can read music..

but meh, life is life.

He also uses the A natural scale in the Stairway to Heaven solo

I'm not a fan of the Zep so I wouldn't know any other solos bwaha :shrug:



BLAMO

http://www.guitarreference.com/tab_images/natural_minor_scale_box.jpg

technicolour
05-15-2009, 02:15 PM
Lots.

Does it matter?

Yes, if you can't read music, you're not a musician, you're an artist.

Zoot Allures
05-15-2009, 02:16 PM
Yes, if you can't read music, you're not a musician, you're an artist.

what?

Music is just a series of arranged sounds.

technicolour
05-15-2009, 02:20 PM
what?

Music is just a series of arranged sounds.

Personally, I wouldn't call myself a musician if I couldn't grasp the ability to read it. That's like calling yourself a mathematician, but you can't "read" numbers, only look at a qualitative group and count it.

slayer_rule_\m/
05-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Like, every metal guitarist.
Which is sadly almost true, even Mikael Akerfeldt didn't know what chord he was playing when i watched some guitar lesson. MIKAEL AKERFELDT FFS.

neidnarb11890
05-15-2009, 02:37 PM
Personally, I wouldn't call myself a musician if I couldn't grasp the ability to read it. That's like calling yourself a mathematician, but you can't "read" numbers, only look at a qualitative group and count it.
Music is just an arbitrary representation of what's being played. Tabs are the same thing, just represented differently. Saying that you aren't a musician unless you can read music is like saying you aren't a good writer unless you write in English.

technicolour
05-15-2009, 02:48 PM
Music is just an arbitrary representation of what's being played. Tabs are the same thing, just represented differently. Saying that you aren't a musician unless you can read music is like saying you aren't a good writer unless you write in English.

what? music notation is universal is it not? Perhaps it's not all written the same way, but the theory does exist.

Maybe if I said "professional musician" vs "musician" as opposed to musician vs artist.

Eric Wharton
05-28-2009, 12:19 AM
Man im not sure if its true, but i heard that EVH couldnt read music either, once he stopped playing the piano and picked up the ax, he taught himself everything from there

talia.
05-28-2009, 12:55 AM
Lots.

Does it matter?
yes it does! it gives me confidence :p:

mason092
05-28-2009, 01:24 AM
Which is sadly almost true, even Mikael Akerfeldt didn't know what chord he was playing when i watched some guitar lesson. MIKAEL AKERFELDT FFS. I saw that. :haha But I don't care, he's still awesome. Why would I care if he knows a bunch of music theory when he can make good music without it?

rogerbgoode
09-30-2010, 12:14 PM
Most Classical Guitarist can read music, But, They're limited, Most of them can't read charts, Studio session stuff, Like any type of pop music, Do different chord inversion.

Synocaption rhythms their lost in it.

I know I played Classical guitar for a number of yrs. And, Met many known Classical guitarist. And, Attended Manhattan Music Conservatory.

But, When It comes to commercial music I was lost.

So, I switched and studied Jazz Guitar, With the late Sal Salvador in New York City.

That changed my whole perspective on playing, And, It was like starting right all over again.

I know of a lot of Rock Players, That can really play well without reading music. But, It takes a lot longer to figure things out, If you read music You're way ahead of the game. But, Studied properly, With Syncopated material to read. And, Chord Scales ETC. This is not really taught in the Classical idiom to my knowledg.

Xiaoxi
09-30-2010, 12:34 PM
A better question would be what guitarist COULD read music.

PsiGuy60
09-30-2010, 12:44 PM
Hendrix, Hetfield...

I hear Kirk Hammett has been taught by Joe freak'n Satch though. I'd highly doubt music theory wasn't part of those lessons.

Also, BB King couldn't read it.
Along with many, many others.

lifeofbrian2007
07-15-2011, 05:31 PM
Your right. He's never even touched a guitar.

I hope that was sarcasm, you ever hear of yesterday,played on guitar, the most covered song ever, plus he's also composed orchestral work for the new york ballet. So yes Paul McCartney does play guitar and does know a lot about music.

laid-to-waste
07-15-2011, 05:34 PM
A better question would be what guitarist COULD read music.

this

there's undoubtably more guitarists that can't read music than guitarists that can.

Nick92Slayer
07-15-2011, 05:53 PM
This sounds stupid, but if so many good guitarists know sod all theory, then what is the benfit of it? :confused:

Can probably tell I've never bothered with it. :haha:

rockingamer2
07-15-2011, 06:04 PM
This sounds stupid, but if so many good guitarists know sod all theory, then what is the benfit of it? :confused:

Can probably tell I've never bothered with it. :haha:
Having an easier time writing music and communicating with other musicians are two benefits.

Saying that X guitarist didn't know theory is a downright stupid reason to not learn music theory.

StewieSwan
07-15-2011, 06:07 PM
Having an easier time writing music and communicating with other musicians are two benefits.

Saying that X guitarist didn't know theory is a downright stupid reason to not learn music theory.


This. Threads like this are just people trying to justify their unwillingness to learn theory.

CodeMonk
07-15-2011, 06:10 PM
EVH
Slash
Hendrix
Page
U2's guitarist
Hammit
i think Iommi.

theres others.



was randy rhoads a theroy geek? he spent his days mastering classical.
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That would probably fit under some definition of a theory geek.


BTW...Not dissing Randy at all. I thought he was one of the most awesome guitarists ever.

MeGaDeth2314
07-15-2011, 06:16 PM
Reading notes and learning classical pieces does not = theory geek. There is SO much more to theory than reading music.


But, I'm pretty sure Paco De Lucia didn't learn to read music until well into his career. I honestly don't remember where I heard that, so I could be wrong.

CodeMonk
07-15-2011, 06:18 PM
Reading notes and learning classical pieces does not = theory geek. There is SO much more to theory than reading music.


But, I'm pretty sure Paco De Lucia didn't learn to read music until well into his career. I honestly don't remember where I heard that, so I could be wrong.

I know that. I majored in music during my college days.
But it helps IMMENSELY to be able to APPLY that knowledge of theory to advance.

And I said "would probably fit under some definition"

Metallicuh
07-15-2011, 06:19 PM
paul mccartney couldnt (tho he wasnt that great-just ok)
Paul COULD read music. he even writes music for orchestras.

Megadeth2011
07-15-2011, 06:23 PM
Jeff Healey

laid-to-waste
07-15-2011, 06:23 PM
This. Threads like this are just people trying to justify their unwillingness to learn theory.

shut up man, i'm not lrnin music theery shit because my man hendrix didn't do it you gotta feel the music thru ur eers not thru ur mind bro stfu

StewieSwan
07-15-2011, 06:25 PM
shut up man, i'm not lrnin music theery shit because my man hendrix didn't do it you gotta feel the music thru ur eers not thru ur mind bro stfu


Betcha can't play this


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primusfan
07-15-2011, 06:26 PM
I'd venture to say most famous/celebrit musicians can't.

Wolfinator-x
07-15-2011, 06:27 PM
Andrea Bocelli.

Really.

EDIT: Whoops, guitarists? Well then Jeff Healy.

laid-to-waste
07-15-2011, 06:28 PM
Betcha can't play this


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why the **** is there a 'b' and then numburs? you gotta make ur mind up bro either use the notes shit or the fret no. shit man this guise dont know music if it slapped their dick

primusfan
07-15-2011, 06:29 PM
This sounds stupid, but if so many good guitarists know sod all theory, then what is the benfit of it? :confused:

Can probably tell I've never bothered with it. :haha:

if you can't read your choices are "making it" or "not making it."

there's a lot of room to make a modest income as a professional musician in between. but you have to be able to read or at least know tons of theory.

StewieSwan
07-15-2011, 06:30 PM
why the **** is there a 'b' and then numburs? you gotta make ur mind up bro either use the notes shit or the fret no. shit man this guise dont know music if it slapped their dick


:haha:

You're too much

laid-to-waste
07-15-2011, 06:32 PM
:haha:

You're too much

same goes to you bro man music is too polluted with notes and reading and shit these days just blaze and go with the flow bro all u need is some hendrix and some dizzy flat and ur all good man

Norse Thrasher
07-15-2011, 07:30 PM
shut up man, i'm not lrnin music theery shit because my man hendrix didn't do it you gotta feel the music thru ur eers not thru ur mind bro stfu
I love you once more :haha:

But seriously, basic theory is helpful :)

Baconator1228
07-16-2011, 11:03 AM
I can't imagine making music without music theory anymore. Anyone who can write beautiful songs without even knowing what key they are amazingly talented imo.

Pencil Man
07-16-2011, 11:07 AM
i CAN read music, but I can't sight read and I really don't care that I can't. What's the difference between knowing but not being fluent?