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Rancid Ivy
08-18-2009, 07:30 PM
Searched and found nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge


What do you guys think about Straight-Edge?

Mack56
08-18-2009, 07:36 PM
it's a decent philosophy if you wanna subscribe to it. but like most philosophies, there are people who take it too far and just annoy the fuck out of everyone.

ctfod
08-18-2009, 07:38 PM
I think this goes in hardcore, man.

I would never be straight-edge. I respect people who are, but it's not for me. It also annoys me when little kids claim to be straight-edge when really, they're just not breaking the law. There are also the douvhebags that take it too far, as Mack said.

I also don't understand the association with hardcore punk. I mean, I know about the song by whoever that started it, but I don't understand why it ties in with the music.

Rancid Ivy
08-18-2009, 07:47 PM
I think this goes in hardcore, man.

I would never be straight-edge. I respect people who are, but it's not for me. It also annoys me when little kids claim to be straight-edge when really, they're just not breaking the law. There are also the douvhebags that take it too far, as Mack said.

I also don't understand the association with hardcore punk. I mean, I know about the song by whoever that started it, but I don't understand why it ties in with the music.
Read the article I posted (wikipedia) if that doesn't help, well I dunno then :s

werty22
08-18-2009, 07:49 PM
Did you really think you had to link to Wikipedia? Like we don't know what it is?

Rancid Ivy
08-18-2009, 07:52 PM
Did you really think you had to link to Wikipedia? Like we don't know what it is?

I also don't understand the association with hardcore punk. I mean, I know about the song by whoever that started it, but I don't understand why it ties in with the music.
Question Answered

BostonLacrosse
08-18-2009, 07:57 PM
straight edge hardcore is really big around here....its stupid...alright sure you dont want to smoke or drink good for you but when you go around getting in fights with people cause they have a beer in their hands...wtf man

pitobodies
08-18-2009, 08:02 PM
Okay kids, lets explain the concept:

The song "Straight Edge" by Minor Threat, a hardcore punk band from the 80's, when hardcore was good, started it all. It caught on because other people also liked the idea, and hardcore punk was an easy way of spreading the message around. Minor Threat were simply advocates of not drinking or using drugs, not advocates of slapping beers out of peoples hands at shows. Straight Edge is suposed to be about yourself and your choices, not obnoxiously or violently forcing your opinions and choices onto others, which is unfortunately what people do nowadays, and never what Ian MacKaye intended. Its okay to advertise your straight edge-ness through shirts, X's on the back of your hands, or whatever (personally I don't), or through your music (which I do), but not to be an ass about it. Most of my friends are also straight edge, but I also hang out with people who aren't, and I don't try to convert them.

lolmnt
08-18-2009, 08:08 PM
Nope. Ian Mackaye was a junkie.

charliezard!
08-18-2009, 08:16 PM
Nope. Ian Mackaye was a junkie.

This. Everyone knows that's his heroin needle on the Minor Threat cover.


I don't smoke or drink. I'm not straight-edge though. I think that's pretty lame.

werty22
08-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Nope. Ian Mackaye was a junkie.
:five:
I don't smoke or drink. I'm not straight-edge though. I think that's pretty lame.
:five:

the strangler
08-18-2009, 08:26 PM
Nope. Ian Mackaye was a junkie.
yeah, he talks a big game...

RizzoWashburn
08-18-2009, 08:32 PM
Straight Edge is an excuse for rich white kids who are already sober to give themselves a sense of identity without having to change anything about their lifestyle.

Fact.

BostonLacrosse
08-18-2009, 08:45 PM
http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/8/

SKAtastic7770
08-18-2009, 08:49 PM
Im straight edge, but also a p***y and in highschool. But yeah Im all for it, not that Im gonna criticize kids whoa are okay with doing drugs and stuff, but its definatly not a bad thing to get kids away from often dangerous forms of recreation.

Winman9999
08-18-2009, 08:53 PM
I always say Im not straight edge Just a christian

RizzoWashburn
08-18-2009, 08:54 PM
^Christians can't f*ck or do drugs?

Winman9999
08-18-2009, 09:00 PM
^Christians can't f*ck or do drugs?
well we can, Its just if you are going to go off what the bible says and be a "good christian" you don't

BostonLacrosse
08-18-2009, 09:24 PM
well we can, Its just if you are going to go off what the bible says and be a "good christian" you don't


cause God will love you less

SKAtastic7770
08-18-2009, 09:25 PM
cause God will love you less
Im gonna go ahead and and be religious debate police. None of that!

skatinpunk
08-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Fight Bottled Violence!

Iluvpowerchords
08-18-2009, 09:50 PM
The most alcoholic beverages I have consumed in a night was four ciders at a casino outside of Syracuse.

I had them over the course of many hours. I also had one while reading in bed. It was great.

I'm a sober person. There are some good beers out there though. So I've found moderation is a better policy than zealotry.

If I'm ever in a pub or something I'll be suppin' something fancy. And sometimes I'll take one from my dad's stash while watching TV (if he's got good stuff.)

But other than that :shrug:

RockThe40oz
08-18-2009, 10:32 PM
I think most people here know that I don't have the straight edge.

BostonLacrosse
08-18-2009, 10:39 PM
I think most people here know that I don't have the straight edge.

with you its a very blurry incoherent edge

Mack56
08-18-2009, 11:01 PM
I think most people here know that I don't have the straight edge.

man, the only straight edge a guy like me needs is a rolling surface. :D

Manos15
08-18-2009, 11:40 PM
This thread sucks. Just listen to Minor Threat and shut the **** up.

RizzoWashburn
08-18-2009, 11:58 PM
well we can, Its just if you are going to go off what the bible says and be a "good christian" you don't
Let's take a look at the 10 Commandments:

1."I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."
2."Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
3."Do not swear falsely by the name of the Lord..."
4."Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"
5."Honor your father and your mother..."
6."Do not murder"
7."Do not commit adultery."
8."Do not steal."
9."Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
10."Do not covet your neighbor's wife"



It seems you can drink, smoke, and f*ck all you want (as long as you're not boinking your neighbor's wife) and Moses will still be happy.

/me being an asshole

sargasm
08-19-2009, 12:06 AM
I like beer.

RizzoWashburn
08-19-2009, 12:07 AM
I like weed.

Lots O' FX
08-19-2009, 12:23 AM
Straight edge kids piss me off unless they actually have a reason like knowing people who's lives were ruined by drugs, belief that it is a pointless distraction (lots of straight edge kids seem to claim this but rarely believe it), or live in an area where drug use is common, not because you want to look special for not doing drugs.

charliezard!
08-19-2009, 12:24 AM
Straight edge kids piss me off unless they actually have a reason like knowing people who's lives were ruined by drugs, belief that it is a pointless distraction (lots of straight edge kids seem to claim this but rarely believe it), or live in an area where drug use is common, not because you want to look special for not doing drugs.

or maybe some people don't like drugs.

edit: I mean... straight edge kids are often idiots, but I don't think it's necessarily because they want to look "special."

...and there is good enough reason to not do drugs without living in a bad area of town.

axeslash
08-19-2009, 12:53 AM
Straight Edge is dumb.

There, I said what everyone here was either already thinking or should think.

neidnarb11890
08-19-2009, 01:53 AM
If you feel the need to join an exclusive group based solely on the fact that you abstain from drug use, you should probably reevaluate your life.

I mean, if you don't do drugs, that's cool.
But if the most important thing you can say about yourself is that you don't do drugs, you must be a terribly uninteresting person.

lavazza
08-19-2009, 05:25 AM
What I seriosuly question is: Why give such an extremely normal thing a name?
I mean I donīt give a name to the "movement" of people going to toilet and not pooing outside in the streets.

Or should we do that?
The straight Tīs: Do you prefer toilets to do number two? Do you clean your ass afterwards? Then you are a straight T! So paint Ts on your buttocks and go out and cut off the willies of people who piss outside.
Yeah!

whyvern
08-19-2009, 05:34 AM
well we can, Its just if you are going to go off what the bible says and be a "good christian" you don't

where the **** does it say you can't do heroin or **** without a condom in the bible?

NO WHERE!


I didn't drink for a long time (until I was 18) and I still don't smoke, I didn't drink because I didn't like the way all the people at my high school handled drinking, it was a big ass jock competition. It took a few years of hanging out with punks to realize there's other ways to view it.

Rancid Ivy
08-19-2009, 08:40 AM
http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/8/
:haha: :haha: :haha:
oh and btw despite popular belief in this thread, I am NOT straight - Edge, but my friend is -_-

RizzoWashburn
08-19-2009, 10:27 AM
What I seriosuly question is: Why give such an extremely normal thing a name?
I mean I donīt give a name to the "movement" of people going to toilet and not pooing outside in the streets.

Or should we do that?
The straight Tīs: Do you prefer toilets to do number two? Do you clean your ass afterwards? Then you are a straight T! So paint Ts on your buttocks and go out and cut off the willies of people who piss outside.
Yeah!
I <3 You

Jett Diamond
08-19-2009, 11:03 AM
People used to think I was straight edge (maybe they still do?). It was entirely annoying. Even when I was younger and had never touched alcohol or had sex (still don't smoke or partake in drugzzz) I was seriously annoyed with being called that. Stupid fucking movement. Can't a 16 year old punx not do drugs and not drink and NOT be straightedge? Is that too much to ask for?

Rancid Ivy
08-19-2009, 11:21 AM
People used to think I was straight edge (maybe they still do?). It was entirely annoying. Even when I was younger and had never touched alcohol or had sex (still don't smoke or partake in drugzzz) I was seriously annoyed with being called that. Stupid fucking movement. Can't a 16 year old punx not do drugs and not drink and NOT be straightedge? Is that too much to ask for?
I've been called straight edged too, but since yesterday they don't cuz I got high on LSD :)


And I like weed :)

BostonLacrosse
08-19-2009, 11:22 AM
where the **** does it say you can't do heroin or **** without a condom in the bible?

NO WHERE!


I didn't drink for a long time (until I was 18) and I still don't smoke, I didn't drink because I didn't like the way all the people at my high school handled drinking, it was a big ass jock competition. It took a few years of hanging out with punks to realize there's other ways to view it.


careful with that talk, you might revive nemo!

k90728
08-19-2009, 12:04 PM
I smoke. I do drugs. I ****. I drink liquor and wear my pants too tight and to low...

Aint straight edge!
but in the end your be the one on the ledge!!!

*yawn*.... People take SxE too serious. Drink a beer, smoke a joint, F**k a hoe go to shows!

MisspentYouth
08-19-2009, 12:13 PM
I agree with the previous statement of "straight-edge is dumb." I wasn't straight-edge when I didn't smoke or drink, and I'm certainly not straight-edge now. That's like saying I'm a lesbian because I don't have a boyfriend (hypothetically).

RiotRiotUpstart
08-19-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm straight edge. Come near me with a beer bottle and I'll break that **** over your head. I should move to Boston.

MetalMusicianAl
08-19-2009, 01:40 PM
i think its ok as long as people don't try and have other people follow their lifestyle. i also don't like the ones that think they're high and mighty. the ones i really hate are the ones from boston. i was watching gangland one day and saw that the straight edge people of boston are like militant. a lot of the people involved were interviewed and they described how they would assault and sometimes kill people they saw drinking or using drugs. they do this yet at the same time hate on neo-nazi's for pushing their beliefs on others -_-

Slicer666
08-19-2009, 01:42 PM
i think its ok as long as people don't try and have other people follow their lifestyle. i also don't like the ones that think they're high and mighty. the ones i really hate are the ones from boston. i was watching gangland one day and saw that the straight edge people of boston are like militant. a lot of the people involved were interviewed and they described how they would assault and sometimes kill people they saw drinking or using drugs. they do this yet at the same time hate on neo-nazi's for pushing their beliefs on others -_-

Sums it all up.

I know a straight edge kid who'se one of my best friends.

There's other straight edge kids however, which makes me spend my time rather with a bunch of overly homosexual and packing men, rather than sitting next to their 'don't drink alcohol or i'll cry and slap you' attitude.

DollSteak
08-19-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm Straight Edge.
Never smoked a single cigarette and i drink really rarely (two half glasses in a year are not even mentionable)
I'm unpleasant enough when i'm sober :D

Slicer666
08-19-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm Straight Edge.
Never smoked a single cigarette and i drink really rarely (two half glasses in a year are not even mentionable)
I'm unpleasant enough when i'm sober :D


the really hardcore straight edge kids will call you a faker/poser if you even think about drinking 2 glasses a year :haha:


To give you an example, there's this soy sauce you put on your cup noodles eh? My SxE friend refuses to use it cuz it's got ethanol in it.


>.<'

TMF128
08-19-2009, 02:02 PM
I don't give a ****.

People can do whatever they want, it doesn't bother me.

DollSteak
08-19-2009, 02:03 PM
OMG that's too much :D
so i wouldn't take my Communion on sundays? or eat some types of cakes with rum in it?
that's binding :O

Slicer666
08-19-2009, 02:45 PM
OMG that's too much :D
so i wouldn't take my Communion on sundays? or eat some types of cakes with rum in it?
that's binding :O


I don't care, you're free to do whatever you want IMO, I'm just saying what they said :p:

lolmnt
08-19-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm too punx for labels like straightedge.

di4gram
08-19-2009, 03:11 PM
I used to be straight edge. It's all fine and dandy if you want to be that way, but it's nothing to be proud of. In retrospect, experiencing substances is hardly anything to be ashamed of, as long as you don't let it get out of hand. And there are some things you probably shouldn't dabble in because addiction can sneak up on you if it's subtle enough(pills anyone?). Still- booze, smokes? Arguably not worse than eating once a day at McDonalds.

Lots O' FX
08-19-2009, 03:27 PM
I'm straight edge. Come near me with a beer bottle and I'll break that **** over your head. I should move to Boston.

:facepalm:

DollSteak
08-19-2009, 03:28 PM
I don't care, you're free to do whatever you want IMO, I'm just saying what they said :p:

:haha: :haha: i know :) it was just to say how binding the hardcore straight edge ethic is :D

and yes i guess a full McDonald's diet would be a lot worse than an average smoke addiction :D

Rancid Ivy
08-19-2009, 04:14 PM
:haha: :haha: i know :) it was just to say how binding the hardcore straight edge ethic is :D

and yes i guess a full McDonald's diet would be a lot worse than an average smoke addiction :D
:haha: :haha:

RizzoWashburn
08-19-2009, 04:14 PM
:facepalm:
His avatar should be enough to tell you he's joking.

pitobodies
08-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Last time i checked straight edge people still have sex. I know i would, if only a girl would let me. Am I horribly mistaken about this? i don't think that straight-edge-ness says anything about having sex. If it did, i can see why it never caught on that much.

BR0KENHEARTED
08-19-2009, 04:46 PM
I'm straight edge.

DollSteak
08-19-2009, 04:49 PM
wikipedia says "no occasional sex"
Something probably related to the abstinence of alcohol. :D

RizzoWashburn
08-19-2009, 04:59 PM
I'm straight edge.
You're hawt.

lounge act
08-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Most kids I know who have got straight edge also have a straight edge razor and regularly cut themselves.

BR0KENHEARTED
08-19-2009, 05:11 PM
You're hawt.

Thanx baby ;x

werty22
08-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Let's take a look at the 10 Commandments:

1."I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."
2."Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
3."Do not swear falsely by the name of the Lord..."
4."Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"
5."Honor your father and your mother..."
6."Do not murder"
7."Do not commit adultery."
8."Do not steal."
9."Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
10."Do not covet your neighbor's wife"



It seems you can drink, smoke, and f*ck all you want (as long as you're not boinking your neighbor's wife) and Moses will still be happy.

/me being an asshole
There's a whole lot more in the Bible than the ten commandments BUTIm gonna go ahead and and be religious debate police. None of that!
Let's listen to this gentleman.

RockThe40oz
08-19-2009, 06:15 PM
I used to be straight edge. It's all fine and dandy if you want to be that way, but it's nothing to be proud of. In retrospect, experiencing substances is hardly anything to be ashamed of, as long as you don't let it get out of hand. And there are some things you probably shouldn't dabble in because addiction can sneak up on you if it's subtle enough(pills anyone?). Still- booze, smokes? Arguably not worse than eating once a day at McDonalds.
Yes please

RizzoWashburn
08-19-2009, 08:19 PM
There's a whole lot more in the Bible than the ten commandments BUT
Let's listen to this gentleman.
That's not the point. I'm trying to be an asshole. :)

charliezard!
08-19-2009, 08:41 PM
i don't think that straight-edge-ness says anything about having sex.

yerrrrrr wrong.

BR0KENHEARTED
08-19-2009, 08:52 PM
Believe it or not my girlfriend is 2 years clean. Not straight edge but clean from drugs and alcohol. Which is a problem we have in our relationship.

Does anyone know any hate edge people? Or does anyone even know what I mean by that?

pinheadslts75
08-19-2009, 08:59 PM
Straight Edge: Acting like a fundamentalist christian while pretending you're punk

RockThe40oz
08-19-2009, 09:51 PM
Does anyone know any hate edge people? Or does anyone even know what I mean by that?
No and yes

BR0KENHEARTED
08-19-2009, 09:53 PM
I used to work at a Vegan grocery store and restaurant and you wouldn't believe how much people I worked with were hate edge. One is my girlfriends ex boyfriend and is obnoxious.

BostonLacrosse
08-19-2009, 10:06 PM
now i want to start a group called love edge where we find hate edgers and hug them while drinking 40s

BR0KENHEARTED
08-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Nice. I'm in.

Crazy Punker
08-19-2009, 11:42 PM
I am straight edge. and im 21 omgomgomgomgz!!!111
i no desire to smoke or drink. after watching many of my best friends run their lives into the ground because of drugs and having my moms alcohol addiction destroy my family, i'll pass.
I choose not to drink because i would never want to do what my mom did to my family to people i love.

I dont care what anyone else does.
This is for me

di4gram
08-20-2009, 02:46 AM
Yes please

I'd rather do coke than xanax

StreetLight3989
08-20-2009, 04:22 AM
I don't think it's a bad idea, but there's no need to prescribe to a label to stay clean. Some people take it too far and I'm sure some people just do it to fit in somewhere like with any group. Before I started smoking weed and drinking people called me edge, it was stupid.

lavazza
08-20-2009, 05:06 AM
I am straight edge. and im 21 omgomgomgomgz!!!111
i no desire to smoke or drink. after watching many of my best friends run their lives into the ground because of drugs and having my moms alcohol addiction destroy my family, i'll pass.
I choose not to drink because i would never want to do what my mom did to my family to people i love.

I dont care what anyone else does.
This is for me

thatīs a good thing, honestly.

But is there any reason you label yourself as straight edge?
and not just "I donīt do drugs."

There's a whole lot more in the Bible than the ten commandments

as Ned Flanders said:"I did everything that stands in the bible, even the stuff thatīs recalled at other points."

soph_bassist!
08-20-2009, 06:19 AM
i think its ok as long as people don't try and have other people follow their lifestyle.

I don't know an awful lot about straight edge, and haven't met anyone who is. There isn't a straight edge scene around here -well, there isn't any kind of scene around here- but I agree with that ^
Just get on with what you want to, and let others do the same.

TOOTH&NAIL
08-20-2009, 07:56 PM
straight edge hardcore is really big around here....its stupid...alright sure you dont want to smoke or drink good for you but when you go around getting in fights with people cause they have a beer in their hands...wtf man
Does that actually happen? that is rediculous.

mike2
08-20-2009, 08:06 PM
man, this thread makes me want to get **** faced...

romencer17
08-20-2009, 09:03 PM
a local band around here used to have a song called "fuck straightedge"

best lyrics I've ever heard :haha:

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 02:15 AM
this thread is full of all sorts of stupid.


I can understand the dislike of Straight Edge for the gang mentality some have towards it(I'm edge and I hate that aspect), but to say that people are weaker because they have made a personal choice to avoid certain substances? seriously?

And on the topic of the gangland documentary, if you read further into the issue you'll find out that at one point there was certainly a significant need for crews like F.S.U. in Boston. More recently they have become somewhat of a farce, and rather ineffective, but look back about 10-15 years and you'll see why.

Not to mention that ever since the 80s Boston has had a ridiculous number of notable bands and musicians that claim edge come out of its boundaries. It should be no surprise that it's still strong there.

To sum it up, straight edge should be a choice someone makes for themselves, not to earn cool points with their friends or to try and emulate someone. I was never attracted to drinking or drugs, so what is preventing me from just cutting them out of my life entirely? Bar culture sucks, drug dealers (big time ones, not your buddy who sells you weed by the gram) are the scum of the earth, so why would I want to be associated with either of those?

And to the dude who said his friend avoided soya sauce with ehtanol, certain people take it to different extremes. I wouldnt give a **** about it, but different strokes for different folks.

whyvern
08-21-2009, 04:20 AM
You don't have to not drink to not be associated with bar culture. If I'm not gonna drink I don't need to be a part of a group that exists specifically because I don't and I don't need to go around telling everyone about it, just don't drink.

lavazza
08-21-2009, 07:08 AM
To sum it up, straight edge should be a choice someone makes for themselves, not to earn cool points with their friends or to try and emulate someone. I was never attracted to drinking or drugs, so what is preventing me from just cutting them out of my life entirely? Bar culture sucks, drug dealers (big time ones, not your buddy who sells you weed by the gram) are the scum of the earth, so why would I want to be associated with either of those?


Still why give it a name?

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 09:16 AM
this thread is full of all sorts of stupid.


I can understand the dislike of Straight Edge for the gang mentality some have towards it(I'm edge and I hate that aspect), but to say that people are weaker because they have made a personal choice to avoid certain substances? seriously?
The people are "weaker" because they feel the need to label themselves in order to feel a sense of identity, despite the fact that the majority of them are making no actual lifestyle change. There are millions of people all over who don't drink or do drugs. The ones that claim to be straight-edge are the ones who want attention.

And on the topic of the gangland documentary, if you read further into the issue you'll find out that at one point there was certainly a significant need for crews like F.S.U. in Boston. More recently they have become somewhat of a farce, and rather ineffective, but look back about 10-15 years and you'll see why.
I'd like to know what you consider a "significant need for crews".

Not to mention that ever since the 80s Boston has had a ridiculous number of notable bands and musicians that claim edge come out of its boundaries. It should be no surprise that it's still strong there.
In my experience, the vast majority of straight-edge Boston bands suck. I'd rather listen to drug-addled Boston bands like The Freeze.

To sum it up, straight edge should be a choice someone makes for themselves, not to earn cool points with their friends or to try and emulate someone. I was never attracted to drinking or drugs, so what is preventing me from just cutting them out of my life entirely? Bar culture sucks, drug dealers (big time ones, not your buddy who sells you weed by the gram) are the scum of the earth, so why would I want to be associated with either of those?
I think it is absolutely to earn cool points. You seem to think that it's impossible to restrain from drugs and alcohol without labeling yourself, despite the fact that its a perfectly normal and common thing for people to do. Drug dealers the scum of the earth? 90% of the dealers I've met have been far better human beings than any straight-edge jock I've dealt with.

And to the dude who said his friend avoided soya sauce with ehtanol, certain people take it to different extremes. I wouldnt give a **** about it, but different strokes for different folks.
:llama:

randydaniels12
08-21-2009, 10:09 AM
im edge right now but im thinking of doing cocaine, not sure yet

whyvern
08-21-2009, 10:16 AM
^ do it. It's awesome.

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 10:38 AM
The people are "weaker" because they feel the need to label themselves in order to feel a sense of identity, despite the fact that the majority of them are making no actual lifestyle change. There are millions of people all over who don't drink or do drugs. The ones that claim to be straight-edge are the ones who want attention.

What's the point labelling anything? Why do punks label themselves punks? Why do skins call themselves skins? People use these labels to find and relate to other people who have made similar choices in life.

I'd like to know what you consider a "significant need for crews".

FSU in particular were formed to deal with two problems, neo-nazi boneheads who were slowly taking over the boston scene and dealers who would be selling hard drugs to kids literally right outside of shows. I'll be the first to admit that this isn't necessary anymore, but if those situations arose again I'm sure someone else would have the same idea.

In my experience, the vast majority of straight-edge Boston bands suck. I'd rather listen to drug-addled Boston bands like The Freeze.
Freeze rule, but to say bands like Last Rights DYS and SSD suck? thats too bad.

I think it is absolutely to earn cool points. You seem to think that it's impossible to restrain from drugs and alcohol without labeling yourself, despite the fact that its a perfectly normal and common thing for people to do. Drug dealers the scum of the earth? 90% of the dealers I've met have been far better human beings than any straight-edge jock I've dealt with.

At the age where most people "claim" edge, not drinking and smoking is absolutely not a perfectly normal thing to do. Outside of the local punk and hardcore scenes, it's extremely rare to meet someone my own age who don't feel like they need alchohol as a social tool. Post stories about your terrible run ins with these "straight edge jocks" please.


It's cool to see that after being around for almost 30 years something so relatively safe and boring as Straight Edge can still ruffle so many feathers in the punk scene.

EBC
08-21-2009, 10:41 AM
I don't drink or do drugs, but don't call me straight edge. I do it for myself, not because some band told me to.

BostonLacrosse
08-21-2009, 11:14 AM
It's cool to see that after being around for almost 30 years something so relatively safe and boring as Straight Edge can still ruffle so many feathers in the punk scene.


yeah because straight edgers and i guess "hate edgers" running around and kicking the **** out of people is "safe and boring".

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 11:25 AM
Considering the vast majority of the people who are straight edge don't go around doing idiot **** every day, yeah it is pretty "safe and boring".

please post direct encounters you've had with "hate edgers" other than just sitting around and watching slanted documentaries and reading stories on the internet.

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 12:22 PM
My first ever exposure to straight-edgers was when I was 14. I was at a show down in Boston where I didn't know anybody and didn't have any friends with me. One guy noticed me and was nice enough to strike up a conversation and make me feel welcome. He was a really cool guy and we talked for a while before the band started playing. At some point in the conversation he made mention of his past usage of cocaine and heroin. Two straight-edge kids standing nearby overheard this part of our conversation and walked over.

The two guys knocked the beer out of his hand, called him a "junkie f*ggot" and knocked him to the ground and started kicking the **** out of him. It took maybe five of us around him to get the guys off.

This being my first experience with "straight-edge", you can see why I have a rather distrustful view of the so-called "lifestyle". The majority of straight-edge guys I've met since then have had the same hostility towards anybody who doesn't subscribe to their beliefs.

DollSteak
08-21-2009, 12:39 PM
More than straight edgers those were assholes.
sober assholes. :(
there's no straight edge scene here, honestly i had heard of it only on books, i couldn't tell if this hostility is a trade mark of them ^^"

BostonLacrosse
08-21-2009, 01:09 PM
My first ever exposure to straight-edgers was when I was 14. I was at a show down in Boston where I didn't know anybody and didn't have any friends with me. One guy noticed me and was nice enough to strike up a conversation and make me feel welcome. He was a really cool guy and we talked for a while before the band started playing. At some point in the conversation he made mention of his past usage of cocaine and heroin. Two straight-edge kids standing nearby overheard this part of our conversation and walked over.

The two guys knocked the beer out of his hand, called him a "junkie f*ggot" and knocked him to the ground and started kicking the **** out of him. It took maybe five of us around him to get the guys off.

This being my first experience with "straight-edge", you can see why I have a rather distrustful view of the so-called "lifestyle". The majority of straight-edge guys I've met since then have had the same hostility towards anybody who doesn't subscribe to their beliefs.

and you wonder why whyvern hates Boston....

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 01:18 PM
Assholes will be assholes regardless of what set of personal belief they hold, this is true for everyone from the crustiest of punks to the cleanest cut straightedge dudes.

If dudes just get off on beating people, they'll find any way to justify their actions and unfortunately Straight Edge seems to be that scapegoat occasionally.

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 02:06 PM
That would be reasonable if straight edge was a valid movement. But the point that I'm saying is that its stupid in the first place. There's no reason for someone to call themselves "straight edge" as opposed to "I don't drink/do drugs". In my experience, I've never seen/heard of someone who claims to "not drink/do drugs" beating up someone who does. However, when you have a bunch of attention starved "straight edge" guys in a group, they seem to get off on being violent towards people who make different life choices than them.

whyvern
08-21-2009, 02:11 PM
and you wonder why whyvern hates Boston....

The triangle goes like this:

1. WORCESTER
2. PROVIDENCE
3. BOSTON

Worcester is cool cos everyone gets into shows and always dances, but they're sober and vegan. Providence is cool because people get more wasted than Worcester and there's more house shows but the music is werid pretentious art. Boston occasionally has good house shows and alot of jack hardcore straight edge jerks.

I hate jocks regardless of what they look like. If they're straight edge goon jocks at a Boston Hardcore show or a buncha facial-tat crusties making me shotgun beers in New Orleans. Both types of people suck ass.

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 02:21 PM
I've only met a few crusties when I've been in New Orleans. The first time I went two of them said they liked my Amebix hat. The next time I was there another crusty started talking to me thinking I was one of his friends.

No beer shotgunning. :(

whyvern
08-21-2009, 02:31 PM
they always ask me for money and i never have any.

pnkrockfishermn
08-21-2009, 03:20 PM
This straight edge **** is getting way out of hand. Ever since it has been attached to all the trendy "xhardxcorex" bull-honkey all i ever see at shows anymore are groups of tough guys that are fresh out of highschool with brand new XXX tattoos and are so brightly colored that you could see them in the dark from a mile away. All they ever do is start trouble with people smoking or drinking and they use hardcore dancing as their way to look tough without actually getting into a fight because they can get away with it by saying, "Sorry bro, didn't mean to kick/punch/double dragon flying knee you in the face. Its a pit dude, if you cant handle this br00tal dancing you better clear a ten foot radius away from me and my other dancing friends!"

If you choose not to drink, smoke, or do drugs that's a perfectly fine and good thing but labeling yourself to get attention from doing something normal is horribly stupid.

/rant

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 03:32 PM
This straight edge **** is getting way out of hand. Ever since it has been attached to all the trendy "xhardxcorex" bull-honkey all i ever see at shows anymore are groups of tough guys that are fresh out of highschool with brand new XXX tattoos and are so brightly colored that you could see them in the dark from a mile away. All they ever do is start trouble with people smoking or drinking and they use hardcore dancing as their way to look tough without actually getting into a fight because they can get away with it by saying, "Sorry bro, didn't mean to kick/punch/double dragon flying knee you in the face. Its a pit dude, if you cant handle this br00tal dancing you better clear a ten foot radius away from me and my other dancing friends!"

If you choose not to drink, smoke, or do drugs that's a perfectly fine and good thing but labeling yourself to get attention from doing something normal is horribly stupid.

/rant
:haha:

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 03:42 PM
This straight edge **** is getting way out of hand. Ever since it has been attached to all the trendy "xhardxcorex" bull-honkey all i ever see at shows anymore are groups of tough guys that are fresh out of highschool with brand new XXX tattoos and are so brightly colored that you could see them in the dark from a mile away. All they ever do is start trouble with people smoking or drinking and they use hardcore dancing as their way to look tough without actually getting into a fight because they can get away with it by saying, "Sorry bro, didn't mean to kick/punch/double dragon flying knee you in the face. Its a pit dude, if you cant handle this br00tal dancing you better clear a ten foot radius away from me and my other dancing friends!"

If you choose not to drink, smoke, or do drugs that's a perfectly fine and good thing but labeling yourself to get attention from doing something normal is horribly stupid.

/rant

Wah.

pnkrockfishermn
08-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Wah.

Its the truth and you know it. People should save the Mortal Kombat fighting kicks for when they are playing their Super Nes. and not at shows.

Edit: I forgot this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02tK6eVu9bc

DollSteak
08-21-2009, 03:51 PM
Its the truth and you know it. People should save the Mortal Kombat fighting kicks for when they are playing their Super Nes. and not at shows.

:haha: right

Rancid Ivy
08-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Its the truth and you know it. People should save the Mortal Kombat fighting kicks for when they are playing their Super Nes. and not at shows.

Edit: I forgot this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02tK6eVu9bc
:haha: :haha:

ImSteve
08-21-2009, 05:12 PM
Its the truth and you know it. People should save the Mortal Kombat fighting kicks for when they are playing their Super Nes. and not at shows.

Edit: I forgot this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02tK6eVu9bc

I don't understand why people figure that Straight Edge equates to idiot mosh kids.

I'm not sure if you're from Washington State or DC, but if you're from DC I can automatically think of a handful of good current punk bands that also happen to hold Straight Edge ideals.

Hell will freeze over before I do that throw down ****.

pnkrockfishermn
08-21-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't understand why people figure that Straight Edge equates to idiot mosh kids.

I'm not sure if you're from Washington State or DC, but if you're from DC I can automatically think of a handful of good current punk bands that also happen to hold Straight Edge ideals.

Hell will freeze over before I do that throw down ****.

Its because every single person that i have seen at a shows that have any straightedge affiliation do that. I have yet to see a nice straight edger. Whenever im at a punk show there is almost always a group of them heckling the bands and starting **** and then whenever i happen to be at a "hardcore" show they pick on whoever isn't "hxc" enough.

Im not saying the ideals of straightedge are bad, Im saying that having to label and identify yourself with straightedge is an attempt at garnering attention. And its quite trendy right now.

I live in Washington state btw.

original=punk
08-21-2009, 05:38 PM
I think most people know my attitude towards hardline and straight edge. I like Minor Threat, but god damn, anything straight edge gets me really pissed off, unless it's Limp Wrist.

dookie_dude_
08-21-2009, 05:43 PM
It's dumb. Being proud for the smugness of SxE is like being proud of being a part of an 'Above The Influence' commercial.

So it's not only not cool, boys and girls, but also irresponsible to mix marijuana into the harmful chemical-narcotic category...

gateway my ASS..

Jett Diamond
08-21-2009, 06:17 PM
I don't understand why people figure that Straight Edge equates to idiot mosh kids.

I'm not sure if you're from Washington State or DC, but if you're from DC I can automatically think of a handful of good current punk bands that also happen to hold Straight Edge ideals.

Hell will freeze over before I do that throw down ****.
You're from around DC? That would explain why you're so angry. I know things suck around here, it's okay, I'm getting out :)

Seriously, the DC scene right now is so boring I want to puke. I don't go to shows anymore because they're BORING.

I've never met any violent straight edge kids, honestly, but out of the estimated 15 I've met, I can distinctly remember at least 9 of them being really bitchy and stuck up. I agree with Rizzo: why do you need a movement to do what most people do normally? That's why when I wasn't drinking / smoking / sexing, I definitely did NOT call myself straight edge. I was just, existing.

werty22
08-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Still why give it a name?
Why give punk a name?

charliezard!
08-21-2009, 07:50 PM
gateway my ASS..


Are you seriously saying weed isn't a gateway drug?

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 08:09 PM
It's not.

charliezard!
08-21-2009, 08:15 PM
It's not.

I'm not anti-smoking or anything like that, but I've known a lot of people who lead me to believe otherwise.

werty22
08-21-2009, 08:17 PM
I think marijuana isn't inherently a gateway drug, but the type of people who are willing to use it are more likely to be willing to use hard drugs than those who aren't.

Kind of an awkward sentence there.

romencer17
08-21-2009, 08:20 PM
most people who do hard drugs started with marijuana, that's true.
but not everyone that smokes weed does other drugs.

I've been burning for 3 and a half years, and only other thing i've tried is salvia, which isn't a hard drug at all. and I don't plan on trying any other drugs, except maybe shrooms once or twice.

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 08:21 PM
There are people who smoke marijuana and go on to shoot heroin. There are also people who smoke marijuana and never touch another drug in their life.

The whole gateway thing is silly to me. Whether or not someone goes on to do harder drugs has to do with the individual, not the weed.

EDIT: For instance, I've smoked marijuana for a few years now. I've gone on to use salvia and shrooms, and eventually I would like to try mescaline and acid.

Am I going on to other drugs because I smoked marijuana? No. I'm exploring other drugs because I am interested in psychedelic substances and how my mind works when influenced by them. By saying it's a gateway drug, you're ignoring the concept of free will.

yeahyeah
08-21-2009, 08:21 PM
I hear that 93% of crackheads ate chocolate chip cookies as children. COOKIES ARE A GATEWAY PRODUCT!!!!!


personally I see the marijuana= gateway drug idea as a massive correlation vs causation fail.

StreetLight3989
08-21-2009, 08:41 PM
I don't believe marijuana is a gateway drug. If you look at the percentage of people who go onto harder drugs than marijuana it's probably far less than those who just smoke marijuana. Most people will try marijuana first though because it is the most easily accessible and most accepted drug other than alcohol.

charliezard!
08-21-2009, 09:00 PM
I don't think anywhere near as many people would take acid if they had never smoked marijuana. Not many teenagers just decide to start doing coke or acid. They build up to it, and weed is where they start. No 13 year old ever plans on doing hard drugs, but they start with weed and get too comfortable with lighter drugs.

SKAtastic7770
08-21-2009, 09:15 PM
I don't think anywhere near as many people would take acid if they had never smoked marijuana. Not many teenagers just decide to start doing coke or acid. They build up to it, and weed is where they start. No 13 year old ever plans on doing hard drugs, but they start with weed and get too comfortable with lighter drugs.
I agree. Not all pot heads go on to do crack or heroine, but Id say a lot of heroine or crack users have smoked pot, the majority being when they were younger.

RizzoWashburn
08-21-2009, 09:34 PM
But when you take into account how many people in general have smoked marijuana, there's really not much of a significant connection between them.

neidnarb11890
08-21-2009, 09:35 PM
personally I see the marijuana= gateway drug idea as a massive correlation vs causation fail.
yeahyeah hit the metaphorical nail on the head. :daisy:

StreetLight3989
08-21-2009, 09:50 PM
I don't think anywhere near as many people would take acid if they had never smoked marijuana. Not many teenagers just decide to start doing coke or acid. They build up to it, and weed is where they start. No 13 year old ever plans on doing hard drugs, but they start with weed and get too comfortable with lighter drugs.
I agree that marijuana probably does make people more comfortable with taking shrooms or acid later on, but if there was no marijuana there would be something else to use a scapegoat as a "gateway" drug. People usually do it first because it's easily accessible, I think most people who end up doing harder drugs would end up in the same place without marijuana. I know a ton of people who smoke marijuana and probably about 5% or less of them end up doing harder drugs.

charliezard!
08-21-2009, 10:09 PM
I agree that marijuana probably does make people more comfortable with taking shrooms or acid later on, but if there was no marijuana there would be something else to use a scapegoat as a "gateway" drug. People usually do it first because it's easily accessible, I think most people who end up doing harder drugs would end up in the same place without marijuana. I know a ton of people who smoke marijuana and probably about 5% or less of them end up doing harder drugs.

Whatever the reason they start smoking weed, it's almost always the first drug that kids do, and it's usually the only drug that kids ever intend on trying. Most kids view weed as harmless and other drugs like coke and acid as dangerous, but I've seen a lot of kids start smoking weed, and then go on to change their opinions of acid and coke and grow interested in them. If someone never smokes weed they usually keep the same negative view of harder drugs.

I don't know everything about it. This is all just based on observations.
:shrug:

StreetLight3989
08-21-2009, 10:20 PM
I guess that can happen, but I don't think it happens nearly enough to call it a gateway drug, at least not in my experience.

di4gram
08-21-2009, 11:26 PM
The only reason weed is a gateway drug moreso than alcohol or tobacco is because you have to go to people who sometimes will sell other drugs as well to get it. Also, you're branded as a criminal so after you've "messed up" by trying weed why not mess up some more?


Also there's nothing wrong with doing shrooms. I've done them a couple times and will definitely do them again- they don't have any long-term effects and can really be quite a thrill.

BostonLacrosse
08-21-2009, 11:40 PM
HEY **** YOU GUYS AND YOUR POT TALK! I'M ****ING CLEAN AS **** AND I DONT WANT YOU GUYS GIVING ME SECOND HAND HIGHS THROUGH THE INTERNET! NOT ****ING COOL MAN, I'M GOING TO **** ALL YALL UP...just let me put in this saosin cd, alright...YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YOU MOTHER ****ER STRAIGHT EDGE YYYYEAAAA, ****ING HIPPIES!!!!!


*kicks all non edgers in the nads*

lolmnt
08-21-2009, 11:45 PM
I guess that can happen, but I don't think it happens nearly enough to call it a gateway drug, at least not in my experience.You've tried Salvia after trying marijuana. GATEWAY DRUG.

BR0KENHEARTED
08-21-2009, 11:46 PM
I've time traveled and shape shifted off salvia. It was fun.

werty22
08-21-2009, 11:54 PM
I don't even know what salvia is. It sounds gross because the word is similar to saliva.

di4gram
08-21-2009, 11:56 PM
You've tried Salvia after trying marijuana. GATEWAY DRUG.
I tried salvia before I tried marijuana. I didn't even know how to smoke at the time. I thought I did it wrong until I stood up and turned around and suddenly the wall was a mirror to an alternate reality and the room expanded into infinity.

BR0KENHEARTED
08-22-2009, 12:02 AM
I tried salvia before I tried marijuana. I didn't even know how to smoke at the time. I thought I did it wrong until I stood up and turned around and suddenly the wall was a mirror to an alternate reality and the room expanded into infinity.

Good trip.

lolmnt
08-22-2009, 12:03 AM
I tried salvia before I tried marijuana. I didn't even know how to smoke at the time. I thought I did it wrong until I stood up and turned around and suddenly the wall was a mirror to an alternate reality and the room expanded into infinity.I was talking about him, not everybody. He was talking about how marijuana isn't a gateway drug according to his experiences, but he himself has had marijuana as a gateway drug.

RizzoWashburn
08-22-2009, 12:13 AM
I don't even know what salvia is. It sounds gross because the word is similar to saliva.
It's a type of sage. If you smoke it or chew it you have a short trip. It's basically 5-20 minute acid.

EDIT: Oh, and it's legal in most states.

werty22
08-22-2009, 12:23 AM
Yeah, I know now. I read the Wiki page right after I posted that.

romencer17
08-22-2009, 12:30 AM
I tried salvia before I tried marijuana. I didn't even know how to smoke at the time. I thought I did it wrong until I stood up and turned around and suddenly the wall was a mirror to an alternate reality and the room expanded into infinity.

haha i tried salvia off a 3 foot double perc bong, and i thought hands were pulling me into a crazy different world.
fun stuff

David_Bowie=GOD
08-22-2009, 12:33 AM
I think Straight Edge is fine, I don't have anything against people who are, I just hate people who get all preachy about it and tell other people they shouldn't do drugs/drink. Most of the straight edge people I've met were really nice, I just hate the ones that think they are better than other people just because they don't do drugs. I mean, I don't preach to people about marijuana when they say they don't smoke it, they shouldn't preach to me because I said I do it.

David_Bowie=GOD
08-22-2009, 12:41 AM
It's a type of sage. If you smoke it or chew it you have a short trip. It's basically 5-20 minute acid.

EDIT: Oh, and it's legal in most states.

Its illegal in my state, still haven't tried it. I might just drive down to NC when I get my license and do it, not because I'm afraid of getting caught, I'd just like to do a drug like that and know that I did it somewhere where it was legal for once.

romencer17
08-22-2009, 12:46 AM
well if you actually take a drive like that to get some make sure it's the potent kind. 70x or something, so that it's definitely worth it

werty22
08-22-2009, 12:48 AM
Yeah, it's always a good idea to use the most powerful drugs you can get your hands on.

David_Bowie=GOD
08-22-2009, 12:49 AM
well if you actually take a drive like that to get some make sure it's the potent kind. 70x or something, so that it's definitely worth it

I only live about 30-45 minutes away though, so I might take something like 25x for my first time. I don't want to smoke something so potent that I piss myself my first time I do it(which I know of a few people that have because of that).

romencer17
08-22-2009, 01:53 AM
haha yes be careful.

first and only time my bro tried salvia, he took a huge hit, fell over, hit his head on the table and got a concussion xD

BostonLacrosse
08-22-2009, 02:05 AM
haha yes be careful.

first and only time my bro tried salvia, he took a huge hit, fell over, hit his head on the table and got a concussion xD


lol idiot...you're supposed to have a spotter with you :rolleyes:

lavazza
08-22-2009, 06:51 AM
Considering the vast majority of the people who are straight edge don't go around doing idiot **** every day, yeah it is pretty "safe and boring".

please post direct encounters you've had with "hate edgers" other than just sitting around and watching slanted documentaries and reading stories on the internet.

Not with a hate edger........but I know someone, who didnīt do any drug until he was like 23, then I-donīt-know-what happened in his life and he started drinking, smoking weed and stuff like that. There was a time when he looked like not being able to get away with it.....
The thing is he always used to be a straight edge guy, who showed the sings etc. etc........it seems to me that he was caught in a cage, cause he said he was straight edge for years and everybody know that, so he couldnīt start doing any drugs when he wanted to before, because of social part of the group.
I on the other hand (as many million others) didnīt drink beer and such things for some years too, but there wasnīt this social oppression of the "movement" I was in, since I didnīt claim that I was in a movement. So I could just say I want a beer and first of all it was unusual, but no happening.
Movements - as fine as they are sometimes - tend to pull people into a social group with social consequences like appreication, but also oppression and therefore you have to think in EVERY case if you really need a movement for certain things and the rules of Straight edge simply donīt fulfill the necessity of a movement.

dookie_dude_
08-22-2009, 04:13 PM
I'm not anti-smoking or anything like that, but I've known a lot of people who lead me to believe otherwise.
Nah, if anything, NOT having any goofyboots on a boring night seems to give me the only urge to experiment with other things from pure boredom. But then you'll say, yeah, people who smoke sometimes try salvia and X. I strongly see in that case that that's as far and hard as they're gonna go for stronger drugs.

IMO prescriptions are the things that would appear to me as the tru3 GatEWay DruGS.
i St4rTd o0n PrEScrIPtioNSSZZZZZZZ

whyvern
08-22-2009, 04:16 PM
hey straight edge!

I'm drunk right now!

Kick my ass through the internet.

SKAtastic7770
08-22-2009, 08:47 PM
hey straight edge!

I'm drunk right now!

Kick my ass through the internet.
http://i25.tinypic.com/dlj0pf.jpg

original=punk
08-22-2009, 11:05 PM
Yeah, I'm turned off of salvia by my friends who have done it, I'm a DXM fan.
I've never smoked pot in my life, and don't care enough to get worked up about it.

RockThe40oz
08-23-2009, 02:16 AM
I'm more of a DMX fan, myself.

RizzoWashburn
08-23-2009, 02:22 AM
DXM = lame

Iluvpowerchords
08-23-2009, 02:26 AM
My friend has a DMX text ringtone that goes "'ey Yo this is DMX and you got a text!"

I laugh every time I hear it.

Anyone ever play Def Jam Vendetta?

I hear Henry Rollins was in Fight For New York but I've only played Vendetta. I LOVED vendetta.

yeahyeah
08-23-2009, 03:09 AM
My friend has Fight for New York. I only play as Rollins.

axeslash
08-23-2009, 03:27 AM
I live in Oregon. The sXe movement didn't hit us that hard, and luckily the majority of straight-edge kids are scenesters who wear clothes that say "XXX DRUG FREE XXX" because it's cool. So I'm kind of lucky that I could beat up and gang of sXe kids single-handed since I don't weigh 125 pounds and wear restrictive clothing.

I've been to Portland a few times, and I saw a few sXe kids with **** like Youth of Today t-shirts and what not. They were good for a laugh, but they hardly looked threatening. I've met a few more sXe kids since high school, and they sure as hell aren't violent. However, I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe. So if you're one of these sXe kids tryin' to justify your movement by saying it is "non-violent" please understand that I still hate you just as much as those violent edge kids you people keep referring to as "the few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of us." Distance yourself as much as you want, we all know the truth.

jakesmellspoo
08-23-2009, 12:33 PM
i have a few straight edge friends, but they're not punk, they just don't drink or do drugs. the only problem i've had with sxe, is some get kind of preachy and hold themselves above drinkers and drug users. i understand its a lot harder to resist all the pleasures of drugs and alcohol, and it's a way healthier way to live, but i just don't need the condescention (sp? i'm quite a bit burned out today)

BR0KENHEARTED
08-23-2009, 02:48 PM
You don't have friends. Its okay.

David_Bowie=GOD
08-23-2009, 06:24 PM
My friend has a DMX text ringtone that goes "'ey Yo this is DMX and you got a text!"

I laugh every time I hear it.


I must get that ringtone. I :heart: DMX.

original=punk
08-23-2009, 07:00 PM
DXM = lame

Quite, but cheap.

Get 3 packs of lozenges, ice, and a blender: Drug slushies!

ImSteve
08-24-2009, 01:42 AM
I live in Oregon. The sXe movement didn't hit us that hard, and luckily the majority of straight-edge kids are scenesters who wear clothes that say "XXX DRUG FREE XXX" because it's cool. So I'm kind of lucky that I could beat up and gang of sXe kids single-handed since I don't weigh 125 pounds and wear restrictive clothing.

I've been to Portland a few times, and I saw a few sXe kids with **** like Youth of Today t-shirts and what not. They were good for a laugh, but they hardly looked threatening. I've met a few more sXe kids since high school, and they sure as hell aren't violent. However, I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe. So if you're one of these sXe kids tryin' to justify your movement by saying it is "non-violent" please understand that I still hate you just as much as those violent edge kids you people keep referring to as "the few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of us." Distance yourself as much as you want, we all know the truth.


you seem pretty angry about something that apparently has never directly affected you.

lavazza
08-24-2009, 05:16 AM
^I must say the war on iraq makes me angry too.......ok mean comparison

jakesmellspoo
08-25-2009, 09:11 PM
the war in iraq makes me confused. the daily show just played a montage of all the times the bush administration said "there is no doubt that saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction" and "doing nothing is not an option"

wait, this is completely off topic... oh yeah, uh... straight edge. it's pretty cool...

Rancid Ivy
08-26-2009, 10:19 AM
http://i25.tinypic.com/dlj0pf.jpg
:haha: :haha: :haha:

MetalMilitia212
08-29-2009, 11:57 AM
**** hardliners. Other than that, I'm cool with it.

That basically sums up this entire thread.

RizzoWashburn
08-29-2009, 11:59 AM
No it doesn't. There's been too much actual conversation in this thread to summarize it with such a stupid and shallow statement.

original=punk
08-30-2009, 12:30 AM
ooh, rizzo's got claws.

RizzoWashburn
08-30-2009, 12:45 AM
meow

the glue man
08-30-2009, 02:12 AM
My opinion on drugs is that the government should supply everyone with one hit of acid that they may choose to take at some point in their life.

:)

axeslash
08-30-2009, 02:54 AM
Yup, you definitely live in Oregon.

axeslash
08-30-2009, 02:57 AM
you seem pretty angry about something that apparently has never directly affected you.Oh look, it's a straight-edge kid who's being a dumb asshole. Holy shit who saw that one coming? I totally didn't.

ImSteve
08-30-2009, 11:41 AM
Oh look, it's a straight-edge kid who's being a dumb asshole. Holy shit who saw that one coming? I totally didn't.


Oh, could you please elaborate on how straight-edge kids have negatively affected you?

badgerific
08-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Oh, could you please elaborate on how straight-edge kids have negatively affected you?

That is a stupid question, are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to complain about things that don't directly affect them?

RiotRiotUpstart
08-30-2009, 12:08 PM
you seem pretty angry about something that apparently has never directly affected you.

Since when do you need to be directly affected by something to get pissed off about it?

ImSteve
08-30-2009, 12:09 PM
That is a stupid question, are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to complain about things that don't directly affect them?


His original post post makes even less sense. He seems to have a pretty strong hatred towards edge kids so there must have been some event that spurred it.

Especially when he says "I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe."


Either that or he's just trolling, and if he is, GG.

pnkrockfishermn
08-30-2009, 03:01 PM
His original post post makes even less sense. He seems to have a pretty strong hatred towards edge kids so there must have been some event that spurred it.

Especially when he says "I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe."


Either that or he's just trolling, and if he is, GG.


You might as well just let this thread die since 3/4 of us can't stand straight edge since nearly all edge people are complete assholes.

skatinpunk
08-30-2009, 03:23 PM
except ian mckaye! hahaah i am not straight edge

axeslash
08-30-2009, 04:10 PM
His original post post makes even less sense. He seems to have a pretty strong hatred towards edge kids so there must have been some event that spurred it.

Especially when he says "I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe."


Either that or he's just trolling, and if he is, GG.I've met straight edge kids. They were dumb. I don't know how you didn't infer that from my post. I didn't think you'd be the kind of person who would assume I haven't met any straight-edge kids because I didn't expressly state that.

This is what I get for thinking a straight-edge kid will act and think rationally.

ImSteve
08-30-2009, 07:15 PM
This is what I get for thinking a straight-edge kid will act and think rationally.


Bummer.

axeslash
08-31-2009, 02:05 AM
Bummer.I like how you think your disaffected sarcasm will actually mask the fact that you have nothing to say.

ImSteve
08-31-2009, 10:50 AM
I like how you think your disaffected sarcasm will actually mask the fact that you have nothing to say.


I don't have anything to say, you're right.

You've ignorantly painted all straight edge kids with the same brush since your first post and it's become increasingly clear that you have absolutely no intention of changing your opinion in the slightest. Why would I waste my time with well thought out responses when you just respond with personal attacks and sarcasm of your own?

Sure you can always backpedal arguments by saying "oh sorry, you don't get my sarcasm" but in the end you haven't said anything worth remembering. You said you could beat edge kids in a fight, whoa there tough guy. You said you stood around and laughed at them. Why? do you have some irrational fear of people with different lifestyle choices as well? I guess you are just too punk for me.

You were the one who said "I felt that each one of them was too dumb to deserve to live and hearing the things that spewed forth from their mouth made me cringe.", but it looks like the tables have turned.

MetalMilitia212
08-31-2009, 02:42 PM
No it doesn't. There's been too much actual conversation in this thread to summarize it with such a stupid and shallow statement.
Wow dude. Take a chill pill.

RizzoWashburn
08-31-2009, 03:26 PM
Wow dude. Take a chill pill.
Hey bro, I got a six pack of natty ice. We can play gamecube and listen to Jack Johnson and, you know, chill.

axeslash
08-31-2009, 05:56 PM
You said you stood around and laughed at them. Why? do you have some irrational fear of people with different lifestyle choices as well?I just thought I'd point this out. You know, since laughing at people always indicates fear.

Keep it up, you're really putting me in my place.

RockThe40oz
08-31-2009, 05:58 PM
You have such strong opinions about things that don't really matter.

axeslash
08-31-2009, 06:04 PM
All my opinions are strong. All of them.

GSD N3
08-31-2009, 08:54 PM
OK. I'm Straight Edge, and while I know people who are and aren't, I still am. Where I live, too many people do drugs, and I'm not trying to do anything about it. Being Straight Edge is supposed to be a personal choice, not an infliction. It's just the same when people are religious, some will push it on you, some are only religious for themselves.

Oh, and anyone who said anything about no sex, you're wrong. SOME people also abstain from sex, as well as other things such as caffeine. For me, it's about living a healthy lifestyle, really. I could be partying every night, getting high and drunk, ****ing girls who won't look as good in the morning, but I don't. I am by no means perfect, or innocent. I've had multiple run-ins with the cops, but none of them were, or will ever be for drugs. So get your facts straight. It's not just rich white kids. Know what you're talking about before you start bashing things...

Why the hell am I even in this thread? It's mostly a few straight edge people defending it from people bashing it. It's not for everyone. If anyone cares, I posted a blog a while ago on this same topic, "Why I'm Straight Edge."

ImSteve
08-31-2009, 09:46 PM
I just thought I'd point this out. You know, since laughing at people always indicates fear.



okay then could you please explain how you found them to be humorous?

I eagerly await a proper rebuttal.

axeslash
08-31-2009, 10:09 PM
okay then could you please explain how you found them to be humorous?

I eagerly await a proper rebuttal.This wouldn't be a rebuttal. This would be an answer to a question. lrn2English.

I could tell you why I think straight edge kids are funny, but your posts are a much better example. As well as all the other straight edge kids in this thread. This is why I think straight edge kids are funny.

ImSteve
08-31-2009, 10:58 PM
This wouldn't be a rebuttal. This would be an answer to a question. lrn2English.

I could tell you why I think straight edge kids are funny, but your posts are a much better example. As well as all the other straight edge kids in this thread. This is why I think straight edge kids are funny.

You still haven't given me a straight answer to any of my questions, you just manage to dodge them and respond with sarcasm. It's like talking to a 12 year old girl.

At this point my argument has nothing to do with straight edge, it has to do with you being an asshole.

axeslash
08-31-2009, 11:06 PM
You still haven't given me a straight answer to any of my questions, you just manage to dodge them and respond with sarcasm. It's like talking to a 12 year old girl.

At this point my argument has nothing to do with straight edge, it has to do with you being an asshole for no reason.I don't see how that was a difficult to understand answer. The total sum of straight edge kids' actions are what make me think they are funny. Their superiority complex, their love of violence, their complete and utter inability to communicate... the list goes on.

Calling me an asshole won't exactly help your argument broski. I'd say something about the pot calling the kettle black but you'd probably go all crazy because "POT IS FOR LOESRZ SXE 4 LIFE!!!!!"

jakesmellspoo
08-31-2009, 11:15 PM
this is my fault too.

ImSteve
08-31-2009, 11:24 PM
I don't see how that was a difficult to understand answer. The total sum of straight edge kids' actions are what make me think they are funny. Their superiority complex, their love of violence, their complete and utter inability to communicate... the list goes on.

Calling me an asshole won't exactly help your argument broski. I'd say something about the pot calling the kettle black but you'd probably go all crazy because "POT IS FOR LOESRZ SXE 4 LIFE!!!!!"


If that's what makes someone funny then you're a regular Charlie Chaplin.

All of these problems you've pointed out in whatever edge kids you've seen are mirrored in yourself. You automatically think yourself to be better than others, you seem to like the idea of kicking their asses and damn near everyone who's read this thread can tell what a moron you are.

What if I wasn't edge and simply saw it rude of you to make stupid comments on things you clearly don't understand? Where would your arguments stand without taking personal jabs?

I realize you are just trying to act like the big internet tough guy here, and if it means that much to you I can stop responding so you can save your reputation as the most punx of the punk forum punks.

jakesmellspoo
08-31-2009, 11:50 PM
aw come on! why does everyone always have to be so hostile?let all just get real high and... oh wait...

axeslash
08-31-2009, 11:53 PM
If that's what makes someone funny then you're a regular Charlie Chaplin.

All of these problems you've pointed out in whatever edge kids you've seen are mirrored in yourself. You automatically think yourself to be better than others, you seem to like the idea of kicking their asses and damn near everyone who's read this thread can tell what a moron you are.

What if I wasn't edge and simply saw it rude of you to make stupid comments on things you clearly don't understand? Where would your arguments stand without taking personal jabs?

I realize you are just trying to act like the big internet tough guy here, and if it means that much to you I can stop responding so you can save your reputation as the most punx of the punk forum punks.I stand by my previous statement: lrn2English.

The point of my statement wasn't my love of violence, but how I didn't have to worry about the violence from sXe kids. I can see how a person could confuse that, if they were just lookin' to flame without much substance.

If you weren't sXe and asked me what I felt about sXe kids I'd probably just tell you what I said in my post that you just had to respond to.

And yet again I find myself repeating myself. I have to do that a lot with you.

And in regards to your last little paragraph, I just have one thing to say. Acting like you don't care and that I'm not worth talking to is one of the oldest tricks in the book to mask incompetence.

ImSteve
09-01-2009, 12:08 AM
Yo I'm done all this serious talk, I looked in your profile and you listen to Slapshot.

You sure got me, good one fellow edgeman.

original=punk
09-01-2009, 01:01 AM
Yo I'm done all this serious talk, I looked in your profile and you listen to Slapshot.

You sure got me, good one fellow edgeman.

I like limp wrist, that doesnt make me straight edge.

axeslash
09-01-2009, 01:27 AM
Yo I'm done all this serious talk, I looked in your profile and you listen to Slapshot.

You sure got me, good one fellow edgeman.I also listen to Charles Bronson, I Object!, Limp Wrist, and Infest.

God you're dumb. Please leave this forum and never come back again.

ImSteve
09-01-2009, 02:22 AM
I also listen to Charles Bronson, I Object!, Limp Wrist, and Infest.

God you're dumb. Please leave this forum and never come back again.


no u.

axeslash
09-01-2009, 03:17 AM
no u.Ah, the good ol' desperate attempt to stop an argument so that you don't have to admit you have nothing left to say. I always enjoy these. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

pnkrockfishermn
09-01-2009, 03:22 AM
Ah, the good ol' desperate attempt to stop an argument so that you don't have to admit you have nothing left to say. I always enjoy these. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

I love you axe.

RockThe40oz
09-01-2009, 07:00 AM
Axe never wins arguments... he just insults people until they get tired of dealing with him.

original=punk
09-01-2009, 09:34 AM
Hey, it works.

ImSteve
09-01-2009, 12:37 PM
Axe never wins arguments... he just insults people until they get tired of dealing with him.


this is exactly what happened.

axeslash
09-01-2009, 08:22 PM
Fuck you Steve.

skatinpunk
09-01-2009, 09:17 PM
how did his **** not get censored!?!?

charliezard!
09-01-2009, 09:22 PM
The mods made him invulnerable to censors.

axeslash
09-01-2009, 09:29 PM
how did his **** not get censored!?!?I'm the official n00b harasser of the punk forum. I get special privileges.

skatinpunk
09-01-2009, 10:49 PM
I'm the official n00b harasser of the punk forum. I get special privileges.
ok, cool.

RockThe40oz
09-01-2009, 11:24 PM
how did his **** not get censored!?!?
Try quoting him and find out.

In Dying Days
09-07-2009, 08:59 PM
Although 1 step away from hardline, at least they're not as bad as hardliners. I'm neutral with the no drugs, no alcohol rule, but beating the living **** out of a person for drinking/getting high is straight out of line.

BR0KENHEARTED
09-08-2009, 03:38 PM
I hate people who drink.

BR0KENHEARTED
09-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Try quoting him and find out.


Ssssshhhhhh

kayaress one
09-08-2009, 07:27 PM
it's a decent philosophy if you wanna subscribe to it. but like most philosophies, there are people who take it too far and just annoy the fuck out of everyone.
That's pretty much exactly what I would have said.

5cent Slut
09-12-2009, 02:27 AM
a bunch of pussys if you ask me.

BR0KENHEARTED
09-12-2009, 03:56 PM
a bunch of pussys if you ask me.

They just don't know how the $treet rolls.

lavazza
09-16-2009, 04:51 AM
^the other side must be people who drink and eat alcohol exclusively.......

Rancid Ivy
09-16-2009, 03:20 PM
Well, seeing as I go to school in the "rich" sector (The only english school is there), I've seen a bunch of big ol rich punk posers, well, there's thing gang of straight edge kids and they are ****ing a'holes as hell.

They saw me with my sex pistols shirt, this one straight edged guy said I had a nice shirt, we started talking, my friend came and asked me if I had some pot. The straight edge guy litterally kicked my ass and threw me on a locker.


Damn them straight edged losers.


PS: Yeah me and my friend kicked their ass after.

pitobodies
09-19-2009, 09:01 AM
Its really unfortunate what straight edge has come to today. For me, straight edge is about me. Me staying out of drugs and alchohol. I don't force my beliefs on anyone else. I actually was straight edge before I knew what straight edge was. Once I learned there was a word for what I was doing, I applied that word to myself. But I don't broadcast my edgeness, becuase I don't want to be stereotyped as a violent jackass. And I definitely don't beat the crap out of people for smoking or drinking. Some of my friends smoke or drink, but I'm still friends with them. What they choose to do with their lives is not my business. On a side note, I don't subscribe to the abstinence part. Why deny yourself satisfaction for your natural urges? And I definitely don't abstain from caffeine. Life would just be no fun without Mountain Dew and NOS.

Summary: People who hurt smokers and drinkers are idiots. That's not what straight edge is about. Its not your business what other peole choose to do.

werty22
09-19-2009, 04:36 PM
I actually was straight edge before I knew what straight edge was. Once I learned there was a word for what I was doing, I applied that word to myself.
I hate to even acknowledge this thread, but I have to say that's just silly. Everybody doesn't smoke and drink at some point. It seems like people usually call themselves straight-edge so they can not drink and still be cool and punx rawx.

I also think it's stupid that people say they're straght-edge but don't stay away from promiscuous sex. The whole dumb concept came from Minor Threat, so how can you claim to subscribe to that philosophy while ignoring part of it?

SKAtastic7770
09-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I also think it's stupid that people say they're straght-edge but don't stay away from promiscuous sex. The whole dumb concept came from Minor Threat, so how can you claim to subscribe to that philosophy while ignoring part of it?

I agree with that. Too many people include edge punks take sex too lightly. And also, Minor Threat doesn' talk about beating up people who arent edge in their lyrics. I dont smoke, drimk, do drugs or have sex because I just dont want to, and if other people want to I just dont hang with them. Its their bussiness. Id like to think that this has always been the idea of straight edge. Violence really seems more morally wrong than drugs to me.

DempseyPunk
09-19-2009, 07:00 PM
Its really unfortunate what straight edge has come to today. For me, straight edge is about me. Me staying out of drugs and alchohol. I don't force my beliefs on anyone else. I actually was straight edge before I knew what straight edge was. Once I learned there was a word for what I was doing, I applied that word to myself. But I don't broadcast my edgeness, becuase I don't want to be stereotyped as a violent jackass. And I definitely don't beat the crap out of people for smoking or drinking. Some of my friends smoke or drink, but I'm still friends with them. What they choose to do with their lives is not my business. On a side note, I don't subscribe to the abstinence part. Why deny yourself satisfaction for your natural urges? And I definitely don't abstain from caffeine. Life would just be no fun without Mountain Dew and NOS.

Summary: People who hurt smokers and drinkers are idiots. That's not what straight edge is about. Its not your business what other peole choose to do.
really?

SKAtastic7770
09-19-2009, 10:48 PM
really?
lol, that would make him the average 6 year old.

axeslash
09-20-2009, 03:19 AM
If I hear another person use the excuse that "straight edge isn't violent a couple of bad apples ruin it for all of us" I'm gonna shoot someone. And it will probably be me. Or a minority. I dunno, I haven't decided yet.

myownenemy
10-16-2009, 06:58 PM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.

Cory Smash
10-16-2009, 07:02 PM
I think it's sad that so much of the movement has turned into bashing people who think differently.

nashawa
10-16-2009, 07:05 PM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.
Ha ha
you're an idiot

werty22
10-16-2009, 07:07 PM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.
ಠ_ಠ

boffen
10-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Not straight edge, but I totally respect the idea, but I hate to be at shows then have people that are to drunk to stand throw punches when someone bumps into someone else spilling their drink or whatever. Also, walking home or taking the train/metro late at night then having a bunch of drunk douches annoying everyone else on the ****ing train or getting sick all over the place.

So many people know they turn into ****ing dickheads when they drink, and they still do it all the ****ing time, that pisses me off.

MisspentYouth
10-16-2009, 07:47 PM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.

Please never post in the punk forum ever, ever again. You idiot.

And why can't this thread dieeeee

neidnarb11890
10-17-2009, 12:39 AM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.
http://rgh.cc/albums/userpics/10144/SeriousCatAvatar.jpg

nashawa
10-17-2009, 12:48 AM
Please never post in the punk forum ever, ever again. You idiot.

And why can't this thread dieeeee

that's what I said!
schweet!

EDIT:I think I might sig that just for the sheer idiocy

axeslash
10-17-2009, 06:58 PM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.Never post again.

nashawa
10-17-2009, 08:09 PM
^I think we're all in agreement about this

Tster
11-14-2009, 04:20 AM
I don't know if I wanna call myself straight edge, but I don't smoke or drink and I'm basically a pacifists. So if people wanna smoke or do drugs(this could really **** up your life), that's their decision, like being gay is someone's decision, you should respect their decision whether or not you agree with it.

oh, dude! Straight Edge!