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Hella_Br00tal
10-19-2009, 02:48 AM
"Looking for lyrical content in hardcore music is like drinking non-alcoholic beer in order to get drunk"

Upon logging onto twitter an ignorant tweet read that ^.

I can imagine someone saying that because of the myspace bands that are coming out like Bring me the horizon and Emmure and what not.. but seriously it is an ignorant statement..

BTBAM has amazing lyrics, DEP, converge, botch, oh sleeper.. the list can go on.

What do you think thread?

enselmis
10-19-2009, 02:56 AM
Iunno, BTBAM seems more prog to me.

Martindecorum
10-19-2009, 02:56 AM
BTBAM not hardcore

Hella_Br00tal
10-19-2009, 03:00 AM
listen to an album that isn't that covers and colors.. it's not their only album.


Can i get some actual thoughts on this bitch's comment on lyrics?

Martindecorum
10-19-2009, 03:02 AM
what like the album Alaska

and no you may not get some comments on the guys statement

Hella_Br00tal
10-19-2009, 03:08 AM
the self-titled, the silent circus and alaska yeah. there were definately some hardcore influences in colors.

huevos
10-19-2009, 03:22 AM
Three of a Perfect Pair is totally hardcore brah.

BGSM
10-19-2009, 03:58 AM
most of the bands you listed arent hardcore. you know in some ways i agree with the guy. hardcore is all about going to shows, enjoying the music, obsorbing the energy, moving, etc etc, and its not necessary to have lyrics (gang vocals is a different matter). pop on the other hand, you need to know the lyrics for the whole experience.

thesceneislame
10-19-2009, 06:10 AM
he needs to listen to have heart

Manos15
10-19-2009, 11:41 AM
If you don't think hardcore can have good lyrics you've never listened to American Nightmare or MLIW.

saxaxe
10-19-2009, 12:02 PM
Hardcore has some of the best lyrics in heavy music. Verse, Have Heart, Ruiner, MLIW, American Nightmare, etc. I'm sure whoever said that doesn't actually listen to any hardcore, so no reason to get upset.

JxD
10-19-2009, 03:56 PM
The 90's hardcore scene revolved around messages and the lyrics bands wrote, check out some of those bands (Unbroken, Shai Hulud, Catharsis, Inside Out, Endpoint, etc.). There are a great deal of recent bands with great lyrics like Pulling Teeth or Cursed.

I definitely wouldn't say hardcore is any better or worse than any other genre. Whether it be metal, rock, pop, rap you're going to have people struggling to grasp the English language and as a result they'll be cranking out sub-par lyrics (even if they can deliver them well). Or particularly uninspired lyricists will crank out trite garbage. Take a look at the lyrics forum on this website, it's a perfect example ].

technicolour
10-19-2009, 04:10 PM
I think one of the reasons I listen to hardcore is for it;s lyrical content.

nashawa
10-19-2009, 04:13 PM
I think one of the reasons I listen to hardcore is for it;s lyrical content.
Definitely one of the main reasons.

Monolith295
10-19-2009, 09:11 PM
I hate lyrics. They're either retardedly simple or they're really complex and I never understand them and feel like an idiot. But for some reason I'm not so big on instrumentals.

JxD
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I hate lyrics. They're either retardedly simple or they're really complex and I never understand them and feel like an idiot. But for some reason I'm not so big on instrumentals.
I agree, nobody has ever achieved middle ground in the history of music. **** those people.

saxaxe
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I hate lyrics. They're either retardedly simple or they're really complex and I never understand them and feel like an idiot. But for some reason I'm not so big on instrumentals.
I agree to a point. There are definitely those two extremes, but there are plenty of bands that can find a medium between the two and write some incredible lyrics. Verse, Ruiner, Pulling Teeth and Every Time I Die (not so much true hc, but whatever) are the first to come to mind in hardcore.
Outside of hardcore, lyrics can make the band for me. Bands like Bright Eyes and mewithoutYou are really MADE by their lyrics.

EDIT:
although I feel like a lot of bands who have the ridiculously complex lyrics that make you feel like an idiot for not understanding them just write nonsense. Like The Dillinger Escape Plan.

speakers
10-20-2009, 12:52 AM
i like BMTH lyrics *flame shield*

saxaxe
10-20-2009, 01:13 AM
:haha :haha
BMTH lyrics are THE WORST. Everything Oli writes is awful. God awful.

BGSM
10-20-2009, 02:09 AM
can no one agree with me that hardcore is a genre that has to be appreciated to its full extent by going to shows though? lyrics arent necessary. i agree that many hardcore bands have great lyrics though. black flag - modern man is sick.

xRenegadEx
10-20-2009, 02:31 AM
:haha :haha
BMTH lyrics are THE WORST. Everything Oli writes is awful. God awful.

I disagree.


These dark days
I spent them all alone
And I lie here awake
Wishing you'd just answer the phone

1-718-No-You-Won't answer anyway
Why do I even bother?

saxaxe
10-20-2009, 02:35 AM
Ok so maybe not THE worst. Emmure puts up a good fight. As does Blood On The Dance Floor.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO!
O NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can't Stop The Tickles
They Call Me Dr. Giggles
its off off offf off the chizzle
fo shizzle dizzle
im banging with
the b-o-t-o dizzle
with wiffles
cuz i dribble
like i'm rubbin on nipples
gotta get out the pickle
make it rain with the ripples
LET MY CANDY RUM TRICKLE
GET YOU BUUZED WITH DOUBLE TRIPLES
getting hed in rentals
avoiding the parentals
this is ghetto
plain in simple
with the down beat tempo
o noooooooo
they be hating us
cuz were glamorous
they be hating us
cuz im fabulous
cant stop me once i started
baby you got me retarded
dont phunk phunk phunk phunk phunk
with my heart.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Chorus:

chop chop
chop you up
ima monster
hah hah hah
eat you like a cannibal
spit you out like an animal

slice
slice
slice you up
ima monster
hah hah hah
cut you up
ill slice and dice
serve you up as cold as ice

verse 2:

go hed girl and shake that butt
make me frikkin bust a nut
crank that music blast it up
lets get wasted super *ughhh!
GUESS WHAT honey! I'm FREAK
I'm FREAK INside THOSE SHEETS
ruff tuff naughty nurse
rip it up and make it hurt
now dont stop get it get it
last for hours not for minutes
open wide
for my surprise
scrath and blow
for your grand prize
smear it on your plastic face
leave you with a sweeter taste
super soaker on your chest
let it drip down on your breast


:facepalm:

There isnt a word that expresses the facepalm....

xRenegadEx
10-20-2009, 02:37 AM
You definitely win with finding the worse lyrics possible lmao.

Fo shizzle dizzle.

saxaxe
10-20-2009, 02:39 AM
If you feel like losing all faith in the future of music, listen to the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzt0iJ0cUxA

xRenegadEx
10-20-2009, 02:44 AM
I'm scarred forever.

saxaxe
10-20-2009, 03:00 AM
Hey, I warned you.

nashawa
10-20-2009, 03:54 AM
can no one agree with me that hardcore is a genre that has to be appreciated to its full extent by going to shows though? lyrics arent necessary. i agree that many hardcore bands have great lyrics though. black flag - modern man is sick.
Lyrics are necessary, but the show atmosphere makes hardcore what it is

And to Saxaxe: You have successfully made me afraid for humanity. No hyperbole, I'm honest to god scared sh*tless that something like that could even exist. The voice reminds me of terrible anime, and I'm afraid it will haunt me forever.

On the flipside: congratulations, you have made the Hallowe'en season terrifying for me for the first time since I was 5. I think I'm going to play this for some people and watch the blood drain from their faces.

Bignose
10-20-2009, 04:29 AM
Lyrically hardcore can be very strong at times, but to push further, there are things that hardcore artists have done or pushed through their music that holds more meaning than lyrics. Had a work mate say to me the other day that she couldn't appreciate At the drive-in. She claimed her music (this is modern ****ing pop for christ sakes) "at least had meaning". I'm standing there with my other work mate who is a metal head (entry level mind you, we're talking old 80s metal or disturbed...) and straight up laughed and said to her "don't get into this conversation with me because I'll rip you to ****ing shreds".

Cave-In pretty much defined a genre, the idea of Straight edge (without any sort of religious crap involved) was hardcore born, A lot of new and strange modern art has been born through it, communities formed, record labels formed which in turn creates jobs... e.t.c... you can talk about lyrical meaning (as my friend was) but beyond that what you've got is something that has had a giant social impact that transcends a simple cd. Pop music is never going to have crews, be responsible for all this art and other shit - and I kinda just realised that when she put forth the idea of meaning in music.

Just a thought :)

recklessnick
10-20-2009, 10:18 AM
check out suicide silence, way hardcore. none of this brocore have heart crap

Monolith295
10-20-2009, 05:18 PM
I agree to a point. There are definitely those two extremes, but there are plenty of bands that can find a medium between the two and write some incredible lyrics. Verse, Ruiner, Pulling Teeth and Every Time I Die (not so much true hc, but whatever) are the first to come to mind in hardcore.
Outside of hardcore, lyrics can make the band for me. Bands like Bright Eyes and mewithoutYou are really MADE by their lyrics.

Actually, what a huge coincidence. I've been listening to Hell is Empty pretty much all last week and this morning I said to myself "these are damn good". Probably the only time I've said that about a bands lyrics, but I normally don't bother looking them up because of so many disappointments. And ETID goes under the WTF category for me. But maybe I just suck at analyzing.

check out suicide silence, way hardcore. none of this brocore have heart crap
:haha
Wake Up = best lyrics ever

(for the record I know you're joking)

BGSM
10-20-2009, 11:58 PM
check out suicide silence, way hardcore. none of this brocore have heart crap

+1 suicide silence, along with carnifex, have some of the most imaginative and emotive lyrics in hardcore. two of the best hardcore bands imo

Okeefe Is Legit
10-21-2009, 12:06 AM
If you feel like losing all faith in the future of music, listen to the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzt0iJ0cUxA

not to mention one of the "singers" was arrested for allegedly raping a 15 year old :haha

nashawa
10-21-2009, 12:07 AM
^I keep seeing the "/thread" in your sig and I always think wtf is wrong with this thread that he thinks it should be closed? But then it turns out I'm just an asshat...

xRenegadEx
10-21-2009, 01:42 PM
^I keep seeing the "/thread" in your sig and I always think wtf is wrong with this thread that he thinks it should be closed? But then it turns out I'm just an asshat...
lmfao your not alone

punkforlife93
10-21-2009, 04:34 PM
Well, I thought Integrity had good lyrics so I tried to look some of those up, but turns out that they're mediocre as well, it's just the emotion they put into it.

Every Time I Die has good lyrics though. More Southern Metalcore esque, but they're more hardcore than most metalcore bands I know.

I've drowned my conscience and cast another stone.
I took to preaching while dancing on the code.
I can't see where I've been and only god knows where I'll be.
But there must be a place for a wretch like me.

Oh, lord knows I'm tired,
But I, I, I won't rest my head until I'm home.
And if my hands find themselves another body, well,
You can't blame them for trying to keep warm.

Morals are simply a matter of time,
And where you lay your head's a question of pride.
But when it's said and done you'll find in the light,
That privilege and wit make me misfortune's child.

Can't tell collapse that it needs to slow down.
Can't tell death that it shouldn't come around.
And when they take my head and put it on a stake,
I know that guilt and disgrace keep the dead man awake.
Bartering your figure for a paralyzing love,
What have you done?
What have you done?

I tipped the scaffold and laughed until I fell.
Girl if you need me, grab another from the well.
I can't imagine what hell has in store,
But I know if I'm there I won't wander anymore.

Oh, lord knows I'm tired,
But I, I, I won't rest my head until I'm home.
And if my hands find themselves another body, well
You can't blame them for trying to keep warm.

Oh, lord knows I'm weak,
But I, I, I can't clear my head if I'm asleep.

Morals are simply a matter of tide,
And where you lay your head's a question of pride.
But when it's said and done you'll find in the light
That privilege and wit make me misfortune's child

Can't tell collapse that it needs to slow down.
Can't tell death that it shouldn't come around.
And when they take my head and put it on a stake,
I know that guilt and disgrace keep the dead man awake.

We've lived under this dark cloud forever.
Waited for the bad light to break.

Just let me tell that one again,
With a little more feeling.
We slept at the crossroads together,
Tried to make an honest mistake.
Just let me tell that one more time,
Without a smile on my face.

And now the road is empty.
As every promise is.
If life is pointless then point taken, say amen.
So light another candle and point my body out to sea,
Because your heart is no place for a wretch like me.

Another stranger passing.
A common dissonance.
If life is pointless then point taken, say amen.
So light another candle and point my body out to sea,
Because your side is no place for a wretch like me.

When they unearth these passages,
Will I appear to be proud?
Not if you're listening close enough.
Not if you're sounding it out.

JxD
10-21-2009, 07:16 PM
Well, I thought Integrity had good lyrics so I tried to look some of those up, but turns out that they're mediocre as well, it's just the emotion they put into it.
The thing about Integrity is that Dwid Hellion believes everything he writes/sings about. To paraphrase a quote by him, he "doesn't prescribe to societies definition of sanity." He also has the most powerful/terrifying voice. Ever.

zezimathehero
10-21-2009, 10:11 PM
lyrics

Keith Buckley is probably my favorite lyricist of all time.

ArcadianWarrior
10-22-2009, 07:16 PM
Not positive if they belong in the hardcore section. But if not then where else?
I'm a big fan of the lyrics that The Blood Brothers puts out. Sure they might seem a bit non-sensical at some points. But all of their songs actually have meanings, the fun part is finding them out. But to most people, it just seems like random babbling. I love the way they write though:

The giant swan's got ghosts in his wings,
His guts are stuffed with polaroids, and they're all humiliating
And when the wine's drunk and the wild cabaret has sung it's last voice,
And you're sitting all alone in the 4 AM darkness of a pitch-black theater,
He explodes like fireworks on the stage with gold smoke

Sing, your voice just wont stop blooming
He wrote a play and you're the protagonist
All the girls you wish you'd ****ed make a guest appearance
Oh, and you just won't believe the ending

So fly me home, giant swan!
The giant swan's got a pixelated beak
His eyes are twin mushroom clouds,
His feathers are unsuspecting cities,
And his breasts are hollow apartments with the highest quality furnishings
And you can watch tv until you die there, skin draped over luxury chairs
Sing, your voice just won't stop blooming

If your heart's a diamond, buddy, what's the price?
If your heart's a diamond, what's the ****ing price?
Your skin is cheap and your hair is shoddy
So sit and watch the ballerinas kick and spin
Then strip down to your vulgar skeleton
You'd better take one more drink of Captain Morgan's rum,
Oh, it's gonna sting like a raw sunrise when they black swan's gone

Back at the resort, the curtains closed, you haven't left the room for two solid weeks
With a pound of cocaine, under the bed, where the call girls perform their services
And you have to leave CNN on so you don't think about her newborn son
Who came to this town from the crotch you're renting out

"Who's at the door? What the ****!
Who's at the door? What the ****!
Who's at the door? What the ****!"

Your heart is sweating; your hands are turning black
Your shadow breaks in wearing a ski mask
Is that a machete at your throat?
"Give me all your money! Give me all the dope!"
And the sun's like a painting of your whole life,
You scratch at the canvas, but you can't get inside
And the sun's like a painting of your whole life,
You scratch at the canvas, but you can't get inside

Your family is gurgling grief
You think you're just asleep
Is that the curtain closing?
Giant swan, take me to the river
Is that my flesh corroding?
Giant swan, take me to the river
All the things you wish you said are buried with your X'd out head,
All your ulterior motives
Giant swan, take me to the river
Giant swan, take me to the river
Giant swan, take me to the river

Haymaker17
10-22-2009, 08:04 PM
keith buckley is the answer to this thread

Girvo
10-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Every Time I Die, Converge, Botch, hell I even appreciate the lyrics from bands like Breather Resist and such.

To be fair, not one of those bands are straight "hardcore" I guess, but I feel like those bands (Converge especially) have amazing lyrics.

The music isn't driven solely by the lyrics however, which is where I think your pop friend gets confused. The lyrics and vocals are merely another instrument in a crescendo of brilliance, whereas pop music is solely lyrically driven.

Also, mad props to the person who brought up Cave-In before. AMAZING lyrics. Amazing.