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beatallica_fan
11-29-2004, 04:30 PM
Ok im sure some of you have seen the thread in site feedback regardings UGs lesson section. What i propose is that some of the members of UG come forward to help sort it out. I have suggested in site that SilentDeftone, RHCPcure and the strat man would be good, if they are willing, anyone else thinks they are up to it let me know. At the minute i envisage the team going through the lessons section and identifying mistakes. I will oversee this, you pm me with links to problem lessons, if its small we can just edit the error, if the whole lesson is screwed i will get it removed. You guys can write lessons you think would be good, the rest of the team and myself will approve all lessons, those produced by the team and not. Any volunteers?

jof1029
11-29-2004, 04:34 PM
*raises hand* i volunteer! i may not be the best one in the forum but i would like to help and think i could be of assistance.

them_sell
11-29-2004, 04:36 PM
Can the lessons be regarding anything? i.e. theory,scales, aperrigos(sp?)

AxeAbuser#2
11-29-2004, 04:46 PM
^^ i should think so yeah.

slash_620
11-29-2004, 05:02 PM
i would volunteer but i'm not much of a theory head.

great idea,the lesson section needs a lot of clearing up and i cant think of anyone better to do it that sd,the strat man and rchp.

The_Strat_Man
11-29-2004, 06:02 PM
I'd be willing Beat, thanks for suggesting me.

Edit:
I also suggest Punkarse, and, when do we start doing this?

SilentDeftone
11-29-2004, 07:16 PM
I'm willing as I stated in Feedback.

bangoodcharlote
11-29-2004, 07:25 PM
I volunteer.

ZoSo_420
11-29-2004, 07:59 PM
i wouldnt mind doing one on something, maybe reading sheet music or basic theory(but the other guys above me have that covered) maybe a little blues

The_Strat_Man
11-29-2004, 08:09 PM
^ I'd be willing to help in a big Blues lesson. I love the blues.

ZoSo_420
11-29-2004, 08:50 PM
would you want to co-write one?

beatallica_fan
11-30-2004, 07:49 AM
Ok so far weve got:-

silentdeftone
rhcpcure
the strat man
zoso
bangoodcharlotte
and jof.

If punkarse is willing then id be happy to have him onboard, i think that will be enough then. When i have a final list i will start a thread in the SF, see if any mods wanna help out and get final approval from zappp.

Punkarse
11-30-2004, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I'm in.

I actually have a big series of lessons lined up on chord substitutions, what they are and when and where to use them, so it would be good to have some feedback and constructive criticism before I post them.

I'm glad some people are willing to clear up the mess in the Lessons section, and the new standards will make it a valuable asset, rather than a pit to trawl through or avoid.

slash_620
11-30-2004, 12:15 PM
an idea....

what if this team proof read all of the lessons before they are posted on the site?
so they could edit info before they lead newbies down the wrong path...

just a thought

beatallica_fan
11-30-2004, 12:20 PM
that is the basic idea.

Punkarse
11-30-2004, 12:28 PM
an idea....

what if this team proof read all of the lessons before they are posted on the site?
so they could edit info before they lead newbies down the wrong path...

just a thoughtAnd have <i>every</i> lesson submitted being posted to one of those people...

Not a bad idea, but how would you moderate it? I mean how would you make sure that the standards of all the 'evaluaters' are the same?

We know what lessons are there, and having a dedicated team of people reading through them and spotting mistakes should sort most things out. Once the existing ones have been sorted through, new posts of lessons are likely to be read through by at least a couple of people in the first few days they are up.

It is actually quite a good idea, but I can't see how it would work, unless someone devised a sort of 'holding pen' where lessons would be picked over before being sent through.

Gurgle!Argh!
11-30-2004, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Punkarse
It is actually quite a good idea, but I can't see how it would work, unless someone devised a sort of 'holding pen' where lessons would be picked over before being sent through.


surely something along the lines of the forum we have for UG columns would work?

Punkarse
11-30-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Gurgle!Argh!
surely something along the lines of the forum we have for UG columns would work? Yes, that's what I had in mind, but it's a big thing to ask zappp to create <i>another</i> new forum. Not as many lessons are posted as columns are.

beatallica_fan
11-30-2004, 12:38 PM
ok final list is
silentdeftone
rhcpcure
the strat man
zoso
punkarse
bangoodcharlotte
and jof.

Ill get onto the rest of the mod team now.

slash_620
11-30-2004, 01:01 PM
could i change my mind?
im not good enough theory wise but i could be usefull as a begginer to complain about things the lessons don't make clear.
it might be hard for some of the hardened theory heads to get the perspective of a begginer.

SilentDeftone
11-30-2004, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Gurgle!Argh!
surely something along the lines of the forum we have for UG columns would work?

Erm, that was my initial idea in SF.

I think more than just 1 of us should be reviewing these things, perhaps we can have a minimum of 50% approval of the people on the list (and if need be the Columns mods and other relevant mods - Beatallica, Bill43, Raindog, etc).

rhcpcure2826
11-30-2004, 05:10 PM
well, im sure that the mods themselves would suffice as 'approvers.' Raindog, Bill43, and Beatallica will catch misleading info.

the columns forum doesnt get a lot of new threads, im sure it wouldnt matter if lessons were moved into it. A new forum? Seems a little drastic.

I have exams coming up, so i may not start until late this weekend.

Also, there is a newbie named 'Corwinoid' (i think?) that is rather promising... maybe someone can review his posts; he articulates his points very well and seemingly knows what he's talking about.

SilentDeftone
11-30-2004, 05:25 PM
Perhaps we should consider him for the 'Who To Listen To' list first :rolleyes: just a thought? but I agree, he's been helpful to quite a few people lately.

Gurgle!Argh!
11-30-2004, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by SilentDeftone
Erm, that was my initial idea in SF.

I think more than just 1 of us should be reviewing these things, perhaps we can have a minimum of 50% approval of the people on the list (and if need be the Columns mods and other relevant mods - Beatallica, Bill43, Raindog, etc).

i hadn't read there at the time...

The_Strat_Man
11-30-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by ZoSo_420
would you want to co-write one?

Yeah sure.

Originally posted by SilentDeftone
Perhaps we should consider him for the 'Who To Listen To' list first just a thought? but I agree, he's been helpful to quite a few people lately.

Hell, I'm not even on that list yet. :)
But yeah, I think he knows his stuff, that's for sure.

++++++++++

I like the idea of a new forum for new lessons being posted. I think adding into the Columns would make it a little more confusing there. Who knows, it's up to zappp and the rest of the mods.

beatallica_fan
12-01-2004, 07:51 AM
I may propose a sub forum in columns, we could rename column 'Site contributions' or something, and then have sub forums, for columns, lessons maybe even other sections. This n00b guy, while appearing to know his stuff wont be on the team, i want people i know are reliable and are consistant posters on UG. Slash sorry but i have my guys now, dont want too many cooks to spoil that broth, if anyone drops out youll be my first port of call, and you can still contribute lessons etc.

Right now guys what i would like you to do is trawl through the lessons section and pick up any majorly flawed lessons, and i mean majorly, when youve identified a few pm me the links, its up to you guys how you divvy up the lessons section and who does what.

SilentDeftone
12-01-2004, 12:44 PM
I had some time, so here's the Beginners section:

For Beginners

What Guitar Is Really About (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/what_guitar_is_really_about.html)
Trash
Covers CAGED chords. Should've been a Column if anything. Trash this one.

Harmonics For Beginners (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/harmonics_for_beginners.html)
Covers Natural Harmonics well, needs improvement on description of Pinch Harmonics. Add to this one.

Playing By The Numbers (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/playing_by_the_numbers.html)
Good idea w/examples. Not the best explanation, and definitely shouldn't be in Beginners section. Also neglected to establish a difference between scale degrees and chords (did not use roman numerals). Also assumes prior theoretical knowledge about chord formation. Perhaps we could move this one.

Barre Chord Forms (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/barre_chord_forms.html)
Trash
Duplicate Lesson, can be found in Chords section.

What Is A Capo? (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/what_is_a_capo.html)
Good lesson, save.

Ear Training (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/ear_training.html)
Good lesson, the comments need to be edited though. Keep it.

Playing The Guitar - Step by Step (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/playing_the_guitar_-_step_by_step.html)
Trash
Decent lesson, but I feel it's relatively unnecessary. I'd trash it, but someone else should give their opinion IMO.

Tuning Your Guitar (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tuning_your_guitar.html)
Good lesson, uses "5th fret" method. I'd recommending tuning to your A string rather than low E, but that's not very important :rolleyes: Keep this one.

Bass Tabs Template (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/bass_tabs_template.html)
Trash
Someone copy/pasted this (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/submit/bass_tabs_template.txt). Trash this.

Guitar Tabs Template (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/guitar_tabs_template.html)
Trash
Same as Bass Template. Trash it.

Guide To Tab Notation (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/guide_to_tab_notation.html)
Very comprehensive lesson. Keep!

Tablatures Definitions (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tablatures_definitions.html)
Similar idea to above lesson, but this one explains how to do techniques. I'd keep/combine the two.

Sliding Technique (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/sliding_technique.html)
Covers using a (metal) slide, not the technique of using your finger to slide. Uses STH as an example - wtf? I didn't think a slide was used in that solo? anyways, it doesn't specifically say that you should not push down all the way when using a slide. Could be edited a little to be a good lesson (along with a title change).

Reading Guitar Tablature II (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/reading_guitar_tablature_ii.html)
We already have a lesson like this, although this was well explained also.

Tuning Your Guitar By Ear (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tuning_your_guitar_by_ear.html)
Trash
Explains technique well, but there's already a lesson on this and he doesn't explain how to tell if it's in/out of tune. I'd throw it away.

Harmonic Tuning (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/harmonic_tuning.html)
Good article, keep.

Set Up For Floyd Rose (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/set_up_for_floyd_rose_.html)
I don't know anything about Floyd Roses (I have a Tune-O-Matic bridge on my Epi), but this article seemed decent. Maybe someone else should give it a once-over, but I think it's a keeper.

Punkarse
12-01-2004, 12:58 PM
I'm a little busy, but I've noticed that several 'lessons' in the Chords section are just someone pasting a load of chords it looks like they got off the Internet. All by UG Team. All with no explanation or even an introduction. One is 'Basic Chords' and the other is 'All Chords'

One of these threads is 5 star rated and keepable (although the lack of an introduction makes it seem a little cold). The second similar thread (by the same bloke) has less chords and also has no introduction.

I say, scrap one and keep the other(with intro added), <i>or</i> scrap both. Do lists of chords make a lesson? I'm not sure.

beatallica_fan
12-01-2004, 01:13 PM
ok guys, well the ones that should be deleted totally keep a note of, when we have a comprehensive list i'll talk to zappp and see what he says. The ones that need a litte poilish, well get polishing, ha ha.

SilentDeftone
12-01-2004, 01:32 PM
I think this "UG Team" character is stealing lessons from other sites, as it has different names for authors on each lesson.

beatallica_fan
12-01-2004, 01:38 PM
Dont worry about the UG team thing, thats back room staff who get lessons from other sources, legally i might add, its zappp or one of his backroom staff.

rhcpcure2826
12-01-2004, 05:28 PM
S.D., I read your post, but is that how this whole thing works? I was under the impression that we ourselves edit the lessons. I feel that it'd be more beneficial (and yes, slightly harder work) if this was conducted that way. Unless you are already on the same page as I.

SUGGESTION: Maybe the editors can take lessons that are not 'trashable,' but in need of heavy fixing, and create threads in the Column's forum showing original and editted versions. That'd most likely be the most organized way to conduct this, IMO.

beatallica_fan
12-01-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by rhcpcure2826
S.D., I read your post, but is that how this whole thing works? I was under the impression that we ourselves edit the lessons. I feel that it'd be more beneficial (and yes, slightly harder work) if this was conducted that way. Unless you are already on the same page as I.

SUGGESTION: Maybe the editors can take lessons that are not 'trashable,' but in need of heavy fixing, and create threads in the Column's forum showing original and editted versions. That'd most likely be the most organized way to conduct this, IMO.

Yep i think thats how it will work, we will use this thread for now, we may not even get a forum to ourselves. I cant give you access to edit the lessons directly so youll just have to resubmit, but let me know before you do, i'll talk to zappp about the best way to replace faulty lessons so we dont have double lessons.

The_Strat_Man
12-01-2004, 06:31 PM
Here's a few lessons I thought were garbage. I don't have much time today to major poring over. I might just look over an entire section like SD did and comment on each, if I have the time. I think each section should be given to a member of this lessons team (someone stated that earlier, I'm just backing it up). That way each of us has like 2 - 3, or we could all look at each individual.

The Lessons!
Blues Chords (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/music_styles/blues_chords.html)
Well, this one was actually a lesson by me, before I knew what I was talking about. It probably should be trashed, or completely reiterated. Not very good, in fact, it's bad.

C Major Scales (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/scales/c_major_scales.html)
Sure, the key is in C major, but it's a bunch of modal patterns. It doesn't really incorporate how to use them either (the description said it would). The fact that it only shows scales in C is pretty limitting in itself. There should be more added about the modes because that is all he talks about. It needs a lot of work, and more specifically it needs more than one key.

Full Pentatonic Scale Minor (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/scales/full_pentatoninic_scale_minor.html)
It just needs rewording and reworking. F pentatonic minor does not equal Gb major...at all. That needs to be changed. There also needs to be added theory behind the minor pentatonic. The different patterns in there are good, but like earlier, they need to be in a nonspecific key arrangement.

Minor Pentatonic Scales (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/scales/minor_pentatonic_scales.html)
Aha! There's the nonspecific scale charts! Now, just add the theory and ditch the one above.

Naming Chords (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/naming_chords.html)
Wow, this one has potential, but a lot needs to be added. It gets a bit intertangled inside there. It needs more extensions, diminished and augmented need to be covered , it needs the alterations. It just needs more. Like I said earlier, it has potential.

And now...
SD, Punkarse, RHCP, bangoodcharlote, jof: How would you guys like to divy it up if we do seperate the lessons that way?

jof1029
12-01-2004, 09:54 PM
i went through each section and counted all the lessons in each. they are as follows:
Beginners: 18
Basics: 33
Chords: 25
Techniques: 43
Scales: 10
Soloing: 17
Bass: 16
Practice: 8
Styles: 27
Gurus: 2
Songwriting: 9

Grand Total - 208

SD did 17 from the beginners section, he missed one called Reading Guitar Tablature, I checked it out and its very short. not much information at all, so should probably be trashed since SD said there was already a good one.

Strat Man did a few, but i dont know other than the ones he said so ill just use those as a count for now.

208-18-5= 185 lessons left. divided by the seven of us is 27 lessons per person. or we can each do 30 so its all equal all over.

I dont know how you guys want to divide it up from there, but we might want try to get everyone into an area they are good at. as in someone who plays bass should do that section, and so on. i can probably do S&L pretty well as i know a bit about writing. lemme know what you guys want to do, and we can get working on it. ill read a few later, but i dont know how you all want to divide it up.

The_Strat_Man
12-01-2004, 10:01 PM
I'll do the Soloing ones tomorrow to knock out 17, and I might be able to do some of the Styles section. This really won't be a tough project, but it'll take some effort by all of us.

SilentDeftone
12-01-2004, 10:11 PM
I've got chords, although I might be biased towards my own lesson :bonk: ;)

If I have extra time I'll take a look at some of the Basics lessons.

The_Strat_Man
12-01-2004, 10:14 PM
^ Okay, sounds good. What does everyone else have. I'm glad this is getting organized. Techniques can probably be split into two if need be.

SilentDeftone
12-01-2004, 10:33 PM
Chords
Beyond Basic Chord Types And Some Music Theory (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/beyond_basic_chord_types_and_some_music_theory.html)
Trash
Bad lesson, builds up to chord formation and then? ends. Trash.

Chord-Melody Guitar: An Organized Approach (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/chord-melody_guitar_an_organized_approach.html)
Trash
I skimmed about 1/3 of this lesson. There was enough wrong information to constitute throwing it out IMO. Feel free to read through it if you'd like, but I'd just trash it.

Guide To Chord Formation (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/guide_to_chord_formation.html)
I initially learned chords from this lesson. Good lesson, a few diagrams are not lined up properly, but it should be kept.

Basic Chord Comprehension (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/basic_chord_comprehension.html)
Trash
Rather unnecessary considering other lessons. Get rid of it.

Open Chords and Associated Exercises (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/open_chords_and_associated_exercises.html)
Covers Gmaj and Dmaj. Either expand it to cover CAGED or trash it. WRITTEN BY ZAPPP, has pictures (why can't we do that?! :sad: ).

Barre Chords and Associated Exercises (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/bar_chords_and_associated_exercises_.html)
Same as above, only limited chords covered. WRITTEN BY ZAPPP.

Power Chords Part 1 (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/power_chords_part_1.html)
Decent explanation, I'd add a diagram with scale degrees. Also his power chords for the Em key aren't notated correctly (the roman numerals have capitalization problems, and he neglected to realize that Locrian has a b5). Also needs to explain naming (e.g. C5, G5, etc). Will change soon.

Power Chords Part 2 (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/power_chords_part_2.html)
Trash
Really short, nothing unique about this lesson. Get rid of it!

Poly Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/poly_chords.html)
Trash
Quite a bit of wrong info, poly chords do not have to be sequential chords in a key. Someone should write a lesson on poly chords, but this one isn't quite correct.

Barre Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/barre_chords.html)
Good lesson, needs to have the "Cmaj9" diagram removed.

Barre Chords II (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/barre_chords_ii.html)
Trash
Same thing as the first Barre Chords lesson, only less in depth.

How The Chords Work (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/how_the_chords_work.html)
Trash
There are already lessons on this.

Two Hands Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/two_hands_chords.html)
Trash
Really bad rating, it's kind of an unnecessary lesson. A lot of people were confused by it.

Guitar Fretboard - A Slice Of Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/guitar_fretboard_-_a_slice_of_chords.html)
Trash
Some confusion, a bad way to explain chord construction, it's not using the root note's major scale + formulas, which is the general practice for guitar. It would be more applicable to piano.

Barre Chords Forms (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/barre_chords_forms.html)
Same as http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/barre_chord_forms.html ! Save this one, the other one is now marked to trash. Doesn't cover D-shape barres.

Basic Chord Theory (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/basic_chord_theory.html)
Trash
A few chords are wrong, Fm, C. Easily fixable. This is covered in another lesson though.

Basic Chord Theory II (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/basic_chord_theory_ii.html)
Trash
Short lesson, covered by other lesson.

All Guitar Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/all_guitar_chords.html)
A list of guitar chords, supposedly all of them. Useful for people who hate theory.

Basic Chords In Easy Format (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/basic_chords_in_easy_format.html)
Trash
Many are wrong.

Basic Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/basic_chords.html)
Trash
Already have a list of chords.

Naming Chords (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/naming_chords.html)
Trash
Not all correct, claims root is always lowest (inversions don't exist anymore, apparently). Covered in other lesson.

Power Chords II Part 1 (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/power_chords_ii_part_1.html)
Trash
4 Basic power chord shapes.

Power Chords II Part 2 (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/power_chords_ii_part_2.html)
Trash
Is about playing other chords than power chords :rolleyes:

Power Chords Extension (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/power_chords_extension.html)
Trash
About how to play other things than power chords, such as sus2 or triads.

What Chords Are In What Key, And Why? (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/what_chords_are_in_what_key_and_why.html)
I wrote this, it's not up to me to pass judgement.

jof1029
12-01-2004, 11:26 PM
Ok, ive read all the Songwriting and Lyrics lessons. Here goes:

Inspiration (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/inspiration.html)
This is ok, not too much info here but its not stupidly written and could maybe be expanded a bit. That and fix a few grammar errors and fix the lines, because they are messed up. Doesnt need to be changed but could be better.

Rhyme (How Do You?) (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/rhyme_how_do_you.html)
Very good, definatly keep this one. Fine as is unless someone wants to touch up grammar or add a couple of things.

Writer's Block and Overcoming It (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/writers_block__overcoming_it.html)
Well written, and it should stay. Nothing amazing but it is worth keeping.


Lyrics (Briefly Sumarized) (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/lyrics_briefly_summarised.html)
Keep it, short and a bit basic but it has some good stuff here.

Writing Lyrics (Things to Consider) (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/writing_lyrics_things_to_consider.html)
Good here. Well written and informative. Keep it

Repetition (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/repetition.html)
Very good article, keep it.

Just Give It Time (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/just_give_it_time.html)
Ditch this one, not that well written and doesnt really say much

Writing Songs & Lyrics Based On Experience (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/writing_songs__lyrics_based_on_experiences.html)
Not too bad, but not that good either. I'm not 100% sure on this one, probably get rid of it but im not sure

Alternative Techniques For Writing Music (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/songwriting__lyrics/alternative_techniques_for_writing_music.html)
Not very good, basicly gives random ways to make a song different by changing how you set it up. Delete it.

Thats it for S&L, i should be able do more tomorrow. let me know what you want me to do.

EDIT: forgot to mention, the first six of those article were all written by the same person, username benjmc. dont know if it is worth anything but i thought i would let you know.

beatallica_fan
12-02-2004, 07:47 AM
Ben was a very well respected user in S&L. Probably too old school for you guys to recall, dunno what happened to him. Id liek for us to concentrate on the theory lessons rather than the other stuff, songwriting, gurus, practice can wait for the time being.

beatallica_fan
12-03-2004, 09:21 AM
Ok chaps im away most of this weekend, going to see The Darkness in Sheffield, me and my mates have booked a few hotel rooms so will be staying over, keep doing what your doing, any problems pm Bill or Raindog, im gonna press zappp for an answer on a dedicated forum/sub forum.

Metalology
12-03-2004, 06:13 PM
I nominate Silent

beatallica_fan
12-03-2004, 06:34 PM
lmao, you dont need to nominate people, the team is formed and SD is in it.

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12-03-2004, 06:47 PM
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SilentDeftone
12-03-2004, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Metalology
I nominate Silent

Oh, well thank you! :D

The_Strat_Man
12-04-2004, 07:13 PM
Soloing


Soloing Basics II. Part 4 - Arpeggio (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_ii_part_4_-_arpeggio.html)
It's a Keeper!
Well, this gave a very good definition of arpeggios and how to use them. Great examplse in there as well. This is obviously a keeper.

Soloing Basics II. Part 3 - Harmonizing (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_ii_part_3_-_harmonizing.html)
It's a Keeper!
Whoo. This one explained harmonizing really well. It requires you know theory (or else trying to harmonize would be a pain in the butt) so, not much for newbies to guitar to read here. I hope I made my point, this one needs to be kept.

Soloing Basics II. Part 2 - Resolutions (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_ii_part_2_-_resolutions.html)
It's a Keeper!
It's not as good as the first two reviewed, but the lesson shows how to achieve resolution within a solo. It's got nice examples, and examples of songs that do this too. So, ultimately, it's a keeper.

Soloing Basics II. Part 1 - The Basics (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_ii_part_1_-_the_basics.html)
It's a Keeper!
Alright, this one was one of the best (besides the Arpeggio one at the top) so far. It has scale patterns, tab examples, and plenty of instruction. Very, very good in my opinion. However, the scale charts need to be edited (it's a bit hard on the eyes to look at them), but, that's not a problem and can be easily fixed.

Soloing Using Scales and Arpeggios (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_using_scales_and_arpeggios.html)
Trash it, Please
Well, we already have two lessons from what I've reviewed so far on arpeggios and scales during solos; so that's strike one. Second, this doesn't teach you how to solo. It just makes a solo and shows techniques. Strike two. And for the last strike, it should be a lesson called "Here's my solo, and what I used," not "Soloing using Scales and Arpeggios." I'd say stick to the other two lessons near the top.

Guitar Soloing - A concept for beginners (http://ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/guitar_soloing_-_a_concept_for_begginers.html)
It's a Keeper!
Phew, that's a very good intro (besides the part about theory being worthless). It seems like a pep talk, but is great for getting people into soloing. The examples are of the same scales but with different feels (latin, blues, etc.). It doesn't really show you how to solo, but it explains it.

Using Modes to Compose Solos (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/using_modes_to_compose_solos.html)
Trash it, Please
I saw the title, and thought this was going to be an interesting lesson. How wrong was I. Sure it gave a little in-depth info on modes, but, it didn't say how to solo, or even how to go farther than just the tab he gives you in the lesson. I don't mean to brag a bit, but my Modes Lesson should be submitted instead of this (but not in the context of soloing).

Where To Start With Soloing (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/where_to_start_with_soloing.html)
Modify it man!
Pretty subtle explanation of major pentatonic scales. It just needs some addition to it to give it context. This should be more of a pentatonic lesson than a "Soloing" one. Just needs some addition.

Soloing Basics. Part 1 - Soloing Pattern (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_part_1_-_soloing_pattern.html)
Trash it, Please
Well, this is the same as Soloing Basics Part II. - The Basics. So, I think this one goes, the other stays.

Soloing Basics. Part 2 - Scales (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_part_2_-_scales.html)
Trash it, Please
Same as above...

Soloing Basics. Part 3 - Harmonizing (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_part_3_-_harmonizing.html)
Trash it, Please
Same as above...

Soloing Basics. Part 4 - Arpeggios (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/soloing_basics_part_4_-_arpeggios.html)
Trash it, Please
This is getting very repetitive...

Composing Solos (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/composing_solos.html)
Modify it man!
Well, it's just a sample solo with explanation on each bar. I think with a little work, and some explanation on inflections this can be a good lesson. It just needs some work first.

Speed On Solos (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/speed_on_solos.html)
Trash it, Please
Hah! This should be exchanged for the Composing Solos lesson, lol (not really, it's a joke). This has nothing to do with speed except for the rhtythm. It mainly tells you how to resolve, how to end, how to build intensity, etc. Not how to be fast, or solo fast. Sorry. Thumbs Down.

Fast Licks (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/fast_licks.html)
Trash it, Please
5 licks for soloing like a moron. Trashed.

Major Pentatonic Scale Use (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/major_pentatonic_scale_use.html)
Trash it, Please
It just gives lists of each kind of scale for pentatonics. This should belong in Scales, and it sure as hell doesn't deserve a 5star rating. Boo.

The Real Way To Get A True Solo (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/the_real_way_to_get_a_true_solo.html)
Trash it, Please
Another one of those "Music Theory and Playing in Key sucks and shouldn't be done" kind of lessons. I hate to give the last lesson I review a bad score, but it needs it. It wasted a few minutes talking about how music isn't about theory and crap like that. A BS lesson. Throw it in the Dumpster!

SilentDeftone
12-05-2004, 03:36 PM
For the lessons that need to be modified, should we copy-paste to a simple word program (like Notepad), make necessary changes, and then save them? That way we can have good versions to submit directly to Zappp, and he won't have to do any work save for reposting them.

The_Strat_Man
12-05-2004, 03:47 PM
^ I would do that. Anything to be easier on Zappp or anyone else that can add to the Lessons section.

marchoso
12-05-2004, 05:29 PM
Is C.A.T still in the making?

Sorry for my absense in the columns lately; I'll be making a fresh start.

beatallica_fan
12-05-2004, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by marchoso
Is C.A.T still in the making?

Sorry for my absense in the columns lately; I'll be making a fresh start.

As far as i know it is, that is seperate from the lesson team, pm eeyore for a definite answer.

rhcpcure2826
12-05-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by The_Strat_Man
Soloing
The Real Way To Get A True Solo (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/soloing/the_real_way_to_get_a_true_solo.html)


LMAO oh my god... that has to be the worst. anyways, Ill start doing a specific category and edit it in.

noodles_wazaman
12-05-2004, 06:06 PM
i just want to say that its a damn good idea to do this, some of those lessons were pretty dodgy and would have given a lot of people (occassionally myself) the wrong impression by quite a margin.

EDIT: i just wanna say also that this is the best lesson i ve ever seen on UG, its virtually an online book

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/guide_to_chord_formation.html

The_Strat_Man
12-05-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by rhcpcure2826
LMAO oh my god... that has to be the worst. anyways, Ill start doing a specific category and edit it in.

Yeah, I thought it was gonna' be a good lesson at first. How wrong could I have been, lol....

jono034
12-06-2004, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by rhcpcure2826
One big problem: Anyone know anyone that knows SRV like the back of his/her hand and has the time and inclination to write a vastly in-depth modification of this lesson? I sure don't.

*sigh*

If only cas was around. . . he would know SRV's style if anyone ;)

beatallica_fan
12-06-2004, 07:46 AM
I'll have a look at the SRV lesson but it may take some time. Ok ive spoken to zappp and this is how we need to proceed. When youve completely review your chosen section, and i mean reviewed all the lessons, PM me with links to all the lessons that need deleting, and only those lessons. I'll look through, check i agree and then pass it on to zappp who'll seal the deal. Lesson modifications/rewrites need to posted in here, a seperate thread for each, when posted joint credit will be given to those who modified and the original author. When the lesson is done and ready to be posted PM me and i'll let zappp know. Also the forum can be used for collaborations on entirely new lessons, any questions?

Punkarse
12-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Seems fine. Has anyone taken Correct Practice? That's mine, then.

The_Strat_Man
12-06-2004, 07:29 PM
So, for the collaboration Blues Lesson Zoso was talking about, would we just post a new topic in UG Contribution?

beatallica_fan
12-07-2004, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by The_Strat_Man
So, for the collaboration Blues Lesson Zoso was talking about, would we just post a new topic in UG Contribution?

sounds like a plan, i really wouldnt bother oking everything through me, just do waht you think is best, im making it all up as i go along anyway.

rhcpcure2826
12-07-2004, 05:12 PM
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beatallica_fan
12-07-2004, 05:14 PM
Well as i said PM me with what you think should be deleted and i will pass it on to zappp, but it is his site at the end of the day so he can keep up any lesson he wishes for whatever reason he wishes.

The_Strat_Man
12-07-2004, 06:54 PM
^ Sorry about the "okaying" everything through you.

I just don't want to look like a total ass where I post and then feel incompetent. I could ramble on, but I think you guys get the overall gist.

beatallica_fan
12-08-2004, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by The_Strat_Man
^ Sorry about the "okaying" everything through you.

I just don't want to look like a total ass where I post and then feel incompetent. I could ramble on, but I think you guys get the overall gist.

Not complaining, its just not necessary, if you do anything wrong i shall let you know but your all given the responsibilty of sorting out lessons as by and large youre seen to be sensible posters with a decent amount of knowledge.

Punkarse
12-08-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by beatallica_fan
Not complaining, its just not necessary, if you do anything wrong i shall let you know but your all given the responsibilty of sorting out lessons as by and large youre seen to be sensible posters with a decent amount of knowledge. Aaaaaw, that's so nice...

I'll have my report on the Correct Practice section up soon. There's some really <i>weird</i> sh<e>it going on down there.

A list of chords isn't a lesson, it's a reference. All it needs is a bit of explanation. Could it be tagged onto the bottom of another lesson which explains chord formation? A sort of amalgamation of two good (almost) lessons into one great one?

rhcpcure2826
12-08-2004, 08:22 PM
Slash is a moron about music, he'll not help you at all.

Desk Jocky
12-09-2004, 06:53 PM
a good article on reading music can be found here (http://www.guitartabs.cc/forum/index.php?showtopic=73908) . Maybe talk to them and ask to use it?

jof1029
12-10-2004, 12:51 AM
whats left to do? someone let me know and ill do it this weekend. ive been really busy this week for some reason, but i should be able to get through a bunch of lessons this weekend if someone lets me know what should be done.

we should make a list of the sections that are done and the ones that need to be to keep this organized.

rhcpcure2826
12-10-2004, 04:50 PM
Bass Lessons^, although those are, for the most part, able to be kept. Try 'Chords'?

beatallica_fan
12-10-2004, 04:52 PM
SD did chords, btw did anyone review my reharmonisation lessons???

The_Strat_Man
12-10-2004, 05:29 PM
Styles needs to be done Jof. You could do that one.

jof1029
12-11-2004, 10:44 AM
i dont know much about bass, so ill look into styles later today. im grounded so i should either have tons of time to go through them, or if my computer is taken away then i wont get them done. but ill try, expect results in a day or two hopefully.

jof1029
12-12-2004, 01:26 AM
ive started the styles section. some good stuff there some bad, some that arent even lessons at all.

Heavy metal examples:
Its just a list of common techniques used and examples of songs they are in. almost no explanation of how to properly use and perform them. The formatting also sucks. Get rid of it.

Blues chords:
Really short and only has 5 chords. That?s if we use the term loosely, they are all actually double stops. Not too good, remove it. sorry strat man

Ska Basics:
Again, its too short. Explains only two techniques and then just gives a song to play. It doesn?t have good explanations for the techniques and isnt too good. Get rid of this one.

Basic Blues pt. 1 ?12-Bar Blues Form
Good lesson on 12 bar blues. Starts with the basics and builds up to the more complex forms. Explains in limited theory why things work the way they do. Defiantly keep this one.

Basic blues pt.2 ?Blues scale
Another good lesson in this series. Talks about the minor pentatonic scale and gives multiple positions based on scale degrees. The comments at the bottom say it is too hard to understand. I get it, but maybe we should dumb it down a bit so it is easier to understand. But defiantly keep.

Basic blues pt. 3 ?Blues notes
Good lesson on how to use notes outside of the normal blues scale and why they work the way they do. Takes a bit of theory to understand whats going on but it makes sense. Maybe should be dumbed down a little for people less versed in their theory, but I find it fine as is. Keep it.

12 bar blues
almost no information and little explanation. The blues pt. 1 is much better at explaining the same topic. Delete it

blues lessons pt.1 ?blues ear
this is just 5 simple blues licks. Its not a lesson at all as there is no information here. Either get rid of it or move the licks to a better place.

Blues lesson pt. 2- blues licks
This is the exact same lesson as 12 bar blues, the lesson 2 above it. neither is very good and we don?t need 2 of them.

Blues lessons pt. 3- blues scales
This is just 8 licks, none very hard. There is no explanation and no lesson at all. Maybe combine with lesson 1 to make a list of blues licks or something, but its not at all a lesson and should be changed.

Blues lesson pt. 4- blues turnarounds
A bunch of blues licks with some explanation. Its pretty decent but isnt exactly a lesson. I would combine this with pts 1 & 3 to make something called the comprehensive list of blues licks or something like that.

Blues lesson pt. 5- practice
This is just an example of a scale and then a short blues song/solo using that scale. Not that great and not much of a lesson as it doesn?t teach much, it just gives an example. Probably should just get rid of this all together.

ill add the links later, when i finish the rest. should be finished soon, i hope.

The_Strat_Man
12-12-2004, 09:48 AM
^ That's fine on the Blues Chord Lesson Jof. I made that when I just got my guitar. It's so ashaming to look at it. I feel bad. I had a post earlier with that lesson saying to get rid of it, so don't feel bad (I don't think you would either way).
:cheers:

Rankles
12-14-2004, 09:29 AM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=643176

RHCP has left UG.

He was always angry anyways. Just to let you know you're one down.

beatallica_fan
12-14-2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Rankles
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=643176

RHCP has left UG.

He was always angry anyways. Just to let you know you're one down.

yeah i saw the resignation in his sig, what a pretentious knob, anyway any takers on looking at the areas rhcp was supposed to b sorting?

slash_620
12-14-2004, 12:55 PM
^could i do it?i undertsnad if you don't want some one who isn't a very knowledgeable theory head but i could give a good veiw point as a begginer.

i hated rchpcure.

Rankles
12-14-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by slash_620
^could i do it?i undertsnad if you don't want some one who isn't a very knowledgeable theory head but i could give a good veiw point as a begginer.

i hated rchpcure.

Are you good at theory?

slash_620
12-14-2004, 01:23 PM
^erm...i'm not terrible

SilentDeftone
12-14-2004, 03:40 PM
I'm willing to put some more time in if necessary, just let me know what sections.

The_Strat_Man
12-15-2004, 04:08 PM
Pick one of the ones that hasn't been done yet. I'll do the same soon.

slash_620
12-16-2004, 11:23 AM
im doing begginers if thats alright with everyone.

slash_620
12-16-2004, 01:02 PM
the begginers section

Tuning Your Guitar By Ear II (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tuning_your_guitar_by_ear_ii.html)
keep it
this is a great lesson,it explains how to tune to drop d;D#, A, D, G, B, e and DADadd tunings.it is realy well writen and easy enough for a begginer to understand.


Harmonic Tuning (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/harmonic_tuning.html)
keep it
its good enough to be kept,it isn't paticulary in depth but it doesn't post any wrong info and we don't have one on harmonic tuning so its a keeper.

Tuning Your Guitar By Ear (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tuning_your_guitar_by_ear.html)
add to it
this lesson deals with the most basci form of tuning,it will be usefull to some people but it doesn't explain tuning in more detail which IMO is important for newbies to understand.it needs to include something on the g string being tuned differently to the b and the technicalities of tuning like air waves and so on.

Reading Guitar Tablature II (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/reading_guitar_tablature_ii.html)
keep it definitley
this is an excellent lesson,it gives a basic out line of tabulature and is terrificly well wrriten.

Sliding Technique (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/sliding_technique.html)
replace it
some one needs to write a better lesson on sliding,this lesson is almost pointless and barely scratches the tip on slide technique.and for some strange reason it includes the tab for the stairway solo which isn't even played with a slide.

this is all i've done for now but i'll do the rest of the begginer section soon.

SilentDeftone
12-16-2004, 03:47 PM
Check the first page of this thread. I already went through the For Beginners section.

beatallica_fan
12-18-2004, 11:00 AM
Ok strat man, as far as im concerned your lessons are all approved, i havent seen any other lesson team members comment on them either way so submit them. anyone else got a lesson ready for critique? btw did you guys see the rather odd return of rhcp, whats that all about?

SilentDeftone
12-18-2004, 11:27 AM
Yes, he appeared to be quite annoyed at a Bsus4 chord :p:

The_Strat_Man
12-18-2004, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by beatallica_fan
Ok strat man, as far as im concerned your lessons are all approved, i havent seen any other lesson team members comment on them either way so submit them. anyone else got a lesson ready for critique? btw did you guys see the rather odd return of rhcp, whats that all about?

Thanks, Beat.

RHCP returns.
RHCP banned.

beatallica_fan
12-22-2004, 11:23 AM
OK lessons team its time to pull our fingers out of our arseholes (the strat man excepted) and write some lessons, zappp has removed the lessons requested by rhcpcure (prior to his acrimonious departure) and silentdeftone, I need pm requests from the rest of you, hop to it. Also I need you to start submitting rewrites of articles singled out for this. Finally zappp has put in a special request for a power chord lesson, either a single lesson or a series of 2 or 3, the site is lacking those at the minute. I know none of you are at school so there are no excuses, I hold down a full time job and still manage to pull my weight, if anyone wants to pull out please let me know. I don?t expect loads of lessons, one every fortnight is fine by me. Also I have news on mp3s but will post about that in the relevant thread.

SilentDeftone
12-22-2004, 11:46 AM
I'll write a power chord one this afternoon. It'll detail what they are, how to form them and common shapes. Is there anything else it really needs to include?

The_Strat_Man
12-22-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by beatallica_fan
OK lessons team its time to pull our fingers out of our arseholes (the strat man excepted) and write some lessons, zappp has removed the lessons requested by rhcpcure (prior to his acrimonious departure) and silentdeftone, I need pm requests from the rest of you, hop to it. Also I need you to start submitting rewrites of articles singled out for this. Finally zappp has put in a special request for a power chord lesson, either a single lesson or a series of 2 or 3, the site is lacking those at the minute. I know none of you are at school so there are no excuses, I hold down a full time job and still manage to pull my weight, if anyone wants to pull out please let me know. I don?t expect loads of lessons, one every fortnight is fine by me. Also I have news on mp3s but will post about that in the relevant thread.

Alright Beat, I'll PM you the lessons that need removing. I'm on it now.

The_Strat_Man
12-22-2004, 04:38 PM
Sorry for Double Posting, but, I'm not trying to do it to up my post count or crap like that.

I suggest that we have a quota for lessons created per month by the Lessons Team. Most of the posts I've seen regarding the presubmitted lessons have most of them saying they need to be trashed. So, to counterbalance the trashing (not full-scale) I think we each need to make a lesson or two a month and submit those. That way there's not 30 lessons in the database to the 200+ that were in there before the lessons team was ever created.

Good idea?

Also, we need to make a big list of lessons that need to be written and have that stickied or something. Then, when someone takes a lesson it just gets removed or checked off on that list.

beatallica_fan
12-22-2004, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by The_Strat_Man
Sorry for Double Posting, but, I'm not trying to do it to up my post count or crap like that.

I suggest that we have a quota for lessons created per month by the Lessons Team. Most of the posts I've seen regarding the presubmitted lessons have most of them saying they need to be trashed. So, to counterbalance the trashing (not full-scale) I think we each need to make a lesson or two a month and submit those. That way there's not 30 lessons in the database to the 200+ that were in there before the lessons team was ever created.

Good idea?

Also, we need to make a big list of lessons that need to be written and have that stickied or something. Then, when someone takes a lesson it just gets removed or checked off on that list.

Thats a good idea, i dont really want to give hard and fast deadlines and such, after all you guys are doing this basically out of the goodness of your hearts, if you aim to do a couple a month thats cool with me. I certainly think a long list of needed lessons is a good idea, i can remove them when theyre done.

The_Strat_Man
12-22-2004, 04:46 PM
Alright, I'll just think of some of the top of my head. Are we going to sticky a thread at the top, or have it in this thread?

This thread just seems like a general Lessons topic now.

beatallica_fan
12-22-2004, 04:49 PM
start the thread and i shall stiick the mofo, also get rid of some of that columns crap thats not been posted in for months.

The_Strat_Man
12-22-2004, 05:06 PM
^ Starting it now.

Alright guys, it's stickied up at the top of Contribution. So, if you want to do a lesson and don't know what to do, take a peek there.

jof1029
12-22-2004, 10:10 PM
actually beat, i still am in school at the moment, only one day left though and i should be able to finish the styles section. sorry i havent finished that yet but its long and ive had a lot to deal with in the past few weeks. over break i should finish that and ill try to write a lesson or 2

The_Strat_Man
12-22-2004, 10:15 PM
I haven't seen Zoso or bangoodcharlotte do much of anything while being on this list. We have work to do people! Let's get moving. The fate of UG rests in our hands....

beatallica_fan
12-23-2004, 03:27 AM
ive seen bangoodcharlotte about, but no not zoso, ill pm him if hes not been heard of in the new year.

beatallica_fan
12-28-2004, 07:30 PM
ok zoso is out as well, so if anyone can think of a replacement who will actually stick to the task let me know.

The_Strat_Man
12-29-2004, 09:46 AM
^ I don't know, *maybe* Corwinoid would be willing to help. Just a guess.... Don't hold me accountable if something goes wrong.

Punkarse
12-29-2004, 01:07 PM
OK, I?ve wasted enough time, here is my evaluation of the Correct Practice section of the Lessons area.


<b><u>Correct Practice</u></b>

All right, I?ll cover the lessons on warm ups first. Obviously warming up is important, but it?s actually quite a personal thing. Each persons body is different and, as an athlete, what warm ups I do before a race is as much a psychological thing as it is a physical thing, and my warm up is likely to be quite different from the one the guy standing next to me does. It?s the same with the guitar; but on the whole I think that the exercises here are a nice start for someone trying to start a routine.

<b>Warm Ups</b>

Non-informative, but actually not a bad collection of exercises

<b>Warm Ups II</b>

Same as above.

<b>Warm Ups III</b>

This one is better. There is wider variety of exercises to do, and not all of them are based on playing frets. Keeping loose is touched on.

If it was up to me I would take Warm Up III and amalgamate it with the other two, but keeping III as the dominant. More exercises are needed to pick from, especially more non-guitar based ones (like using warm water, clenching fists etc.). More detailed explanations would be in order, and actual physical descriptions of what the aim of the exercise in terms of muscles etc. are would be nice (I can provide some if no-one else can). It would be also nice to group the exercises under such headings as Accuracy, Agility etc. for aid of reading. One final point ? In case anyone misunderstands, warm ups are not strength exercises, although some strength exercises do make good warm ups. They are exercises which warm up your muscles and prepare your fingers before a performance.

The rest if this section is slightly weird? they are by UG Team, but specifically Jamey Andreas (???). Following the link in the lessons it turns out this guy writes some of those books you see advertised magazines with titles like ?Learn Guitar In Five Easy Lessons!!!!!!? The lessons here are apparently chapters from one of his books.

Despite this however the information is actually quite good. Where it falls down is in the length. This guy obviously wants to sell his books, and, in doing so, packs the information out, i.e. what he says in one lesson I could say in about three sentences. The other let down is his fondness for capitals and zen-like phrases. Example (from ?Finding The Incredible Lightness?:

?Let's discover "The Light Finger". The first step in finding "The Incredible Lightness" is to discover The Light Finger. The Light Finger is the completely relaxed finger, brought to the string, and touching the string, with only the weight of the finger. It does not press the string down until told to do so.?

And;

?You must start to observe your own "Tightness", and replace it with "Lightness", then you will see your level as a player change upward, what I call Vertical Growth.?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Your Growth As A Guitarist: Vertical Or Horizontal?

This lesson makes a good point about setting yourself challenges instead of stagnating.

<b>Finding The Incredible Lightness</b>

I don?t like this one. It?s about being light of finger and therefore fast. All that is good about it (not being tense) is also stated in Discover Your Discomfort. The rest is bullsh<e>it.

<b>Discover Your Discomfort</b>

Incredibly, this is about how not to be tight (with added zen). Good advice oddly given.


<b>Changing Chords</b>

This is good. Using a case study he explains how to practice chord changes (slow tempo at first etc.) One of the best.

<b>What Should I Practice?</b>

OK, nothing special. YGAAG:VOH? reiterated with extra zen. It seems to be aimed more at teachers than students.

So, in conclusion:

Warm Ups I and II should be amalgamated with Warm Up III, with various (above mentioned) changes/additions.

All of the Jamey Andreas lessons should be kept as they are (if only for comic value), except for The Incredible Lightness, which should be scrapped. Behind the fašade there is actually some pretty good info.


Good enough. OK, pepes, I havn't been paying attention( :rolleyes: ) what's next? Have all the lessons been evaluated? Is there anything I need to do? I have a couple of lessons on Chord Substitution and Modulation up-and-coming, if they're needed...

redwing_suck
12-29-2004, 06:50 PM
fuck, i cant believe i missed this thread.... i'm in, seeing as though i already submitted the minor blues one lol.........

The_Strat_Man
12-29-2004, 07:25 PM
^ Well, we made up for Zoso.

Punkarse
01-09-2005, 12:21 PM
RHCP's remarks have been *reported*, but carry on posting people. He won't f<e>uck it up for everyone.

The_Strat_Man
01-09-2005, 12:23 PM
I know. I still am, I'm awaiting a response about the Major Scale lesson.

Punkarse
01-09-2005, 12:24 PM
Si. Typing it.

beatallica_fan
01-09-2005, 12:24 PM
submit the major scale lesson, its all good, hoping to see some more lessons soon, anyone heard from bangoodcharlotte, jof or slash 620, not seen much activity from them??

Punkarse
01-09-2005, 12:43 PM
I should have a lesson on modulation up soon.

Beat, I've had an idea about a series of stickied lessons in MT on chord substitution (when, where, how etc.). Really going in-depth on the subject, with exercises to practice each week. If you approve I have some drafts for you to say yea or nay to.

Otherwise I'll just submit the chord substitution thing here as a big Lesson or two (which is where they would've ended up eventually).

beatallica_fan
01-09-2005, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Punkarse
I should have a lesson on modulation up soon.

Beat, I've had an idea about a series of stickied lessons in MT on chord substitution (when, where, how etc.). Really going in-depth on the subject, with exercises to practice each week. If you approve I have some drafts for you to say yea or nay to.

Otherwise I'll just submit the chord substitution thing here as a big Lesson or two (which is where they would've ended up eventually).

yeah do both, its all good, you dont need to send me drafts, just post, if i seriously disapprove they will soon disappear, lol

jof1029
01-09-2005, 04:31 PM
yeah, im around a bit, sorry i havent done too much. im still workin on the styles section, but i only have time to do one at a time. i ended up going away for most of my winter break, and didnt know about it. not its exam time and ive been studying quite a bit. im going to try to finish the styles section this week, and i dont have any ideas for lessons so ill pick one from the list when i get a chance.

jof1029
01-09-2005, 05:24 PM
question, beat do you need links for the ones to be deleted or just the names? and i should just PM you the ones to be deleted right?

beatallica_fan
01-09-2005, 05:37 PM
pm me links please.

jof1029
01-09-2005, 05:46 PM
ok, will do. just as soon as i finish the styles section ill send you that and the lyrics section.

beatallica_fan
01-24-2005, 05:18 PM
Ok update from zappp, if we want mp3s with our lessons, host them on the net somewhere and provide a link to that in the lesson, once submitted zappp will download the track and upload to UGs servers, freeing up your webspace.

Punkarse zappp has deleted the lessons recommended by you, are you working on replacement lessons?

Punkarse
01-31-2005, 12:08 PM
Has he? I'm sorry to say I hadn't checked.

The one deleted was obsolete anyway, and I'm working on amalgamating the Warm Ups lessons as I suggested.

I'm slightly behind and things like GCSE's keep getting in the way, but I'll be there. Soon.

beatallica_fan
01-31-2005, 01:32 PM
Thats ok, dont mind if it takes a while, as long as you check in every now and then to say your still in, i know what GCSEs are like, though they are a picnic compared to A levels.

high voltage
02-19-2005, 08:24 PM
I've just read through this thread and I must say I love it. It is obviously too late for me to contribute although I would have. This isn't complete is it?

Keep it up! :)

beatallica_fan
02-20-2005, 03:38 PM
Anyone can contribute, in fact some of the supposed team members havent been heard of so contribute at your will.

SilentDeftone
02-20-2005, 05:33 PM
I'm not sure what else to write on, I've written various lessons, the most valuable being Chords In Key. I've yet to submit a power chord one due to frigginjerk having a huge article on them. Any suggestions?

beatallica_fan
02-21-2005, 01:25 PM
i did pm zappp about high voltages lessons, he hasnt got back to me, we cant force people to go through this forum unfortunately, i dont think i can be given access to approve lessons, its done at UG HQ, i will pm zappp again if i dont hear from him soon.

jof1029
02-21-2005, 01:29 PM
while we are on the subject of bad lessons, beat did you get my PM about which lessons i thought should be deleted? cause i havent seen any of them disappear. i think that was when i was having comp problems so it may not have sent the PM. if you didnt get it then that means i have to go find where i saved my list of what should go, but i can do that if you need.

SilentDeftone
02-21-2005, 04:13 PM
high voltage has written some okay lessons, but his last few have just been crap. I've expressed this in the respective comments sections.

high voltage
02-21-2005, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by SilentDeftone
high voltage has written some okay lessons, but his last few have just been crap. I've expressed this in the respective comments sections.

Thanks. ;)

If my lessons are completely wrong, please feel free to delete them, I don't want to be encouraging the wrong information, and apparently I need to learn some things. I feel so bad.

Please note I wasn't trying to start trouble or inform the wrong information, I was trying to help.

I'll refrain from submitting lessons into the archive.

SilentDeftone
02-21-2005, 04:53 PM
^ They just needed more development. Submitting them through this forum gives us a chance to help develop! It's not that you're a bad writer, or your info was wrong - they just weren't quite complete IMO. Don't stop writing - your motivation is great, and undoubtedly you'll soon be back on track with your series.

high voltage
02-21-2005, 05:01 PM
Thank you very much; I really appreciate what you just said.

If I do gamble with fate and write another lesson it will be prior to post in here first.

beatallica_fan
02-21-2005, 05:17 PM
Why dont you post the series of 6 lessons in here and let the team have some input, i'll get zappp to remove the originals and we can really make a good job of them. In fact would you like to be on the lessons team, you seem to be far more enthusiastic than a lot of the team members.

high voltage
02-21-2005, 05:28 PM
That sounds excellent. Would you prefer all of the lessons in one thread or a thread per lesson? I?ll be sure to consider the lessons team proposal as well, thanks for the offer.

Thanks for the help both SilentDeftone and beatallica_fan!

beatallica_fan
02-21-2005, 05:30 PM
the one thread should suffice, post part one, get some feedback, when we're happy with it, post part 2, do you want me to get zappp to remove them now or wait until the new and improved lessons are ready??

high voltage
02-21-2005, 05:36 PM
That sounds great I?ll post the first part of the series in a moment. In my opinion, it would be much better to have them in the archive for now, it would be overall easier, and not to mention there are many comments regarding the lessons that may be useful.

I?m slightly confused maybe you could clear this up for me, once the lessons are improved would I resubmit them or would zappp just edit the lesson?

beatallica_fan
02-21-2005, 05:38 PM
Its easiest to just delete the originals and upload the new ones.

high voltage
02-21-2005, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by beatallica_fan
Its easiest to just delete the originals and upload the new ones.

Yeah I understand, sounds good. Here is the thread,

thanks again!

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=2782959#post2782959

jof1029
02-21-2005, 09:16 PM
beat, i did the styles section. and there were a lot of repeats. there were 8 different lessons on metal for example. we dont really need all of those, there were a lot of repeats. ill break it down like this : style, # of lessons, # i think should be kept.

Metal 8, 2
Blues/blues-esque 14, 3 but with some more that can be combined to a fourth
Metalcore 1, 1
Country 1, 1
Ska 1, 0
Boogie 1, 1
Jazz 2, 2
Punk/pop-punk 1, 1

the only thing lost is ska, and that lesson isnt really worth it anyway. i guess i can try to work out a few more lessons to replace the deleted ones, but im not sure it is neccessary. well your the boss, tell me what to do.

beatallica_fan
02-22-2005, 03:30 PM
Just decide what you want removing, send me links, any lessons you can provide please do, any genres you arent familiar with, open it up to the rest of the team to get something together.

jof1029
02-22-2005, 08:09 PM
windjammer, i went back and forth on that one. its not very good but it is the only one in that genre. i figure that it can stay for now as has some worthwhile stuff. true the section says only to use power chords, but it does have some riffs to practice and something about palm muting. i figure i can either edit it or redo the entire lesson later cause i used to be into punk. dont worry that lesson will eventually be gone/changed.