Rock Rhythm Guitar Pt. I


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slash_pwns
04-05-2005, 04:35 PM
See this post, further down. I have revised (finally)

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=3342551#post3342551

slash_pwns
04-05-2005, 04:36 PM
So theres #1, worth continuing?

hardcore_mike
04-05-2005, 04:41 PM
"The basis of rock music"

i thoguht the blues was

slash_pwns
04-05-2005, 04:44 PM
Powerchords are used more than anything in rock, Rock evolved from blues and uses blues techniques (I-IV-V, Pentatonics/Blues Scales.

When you think of "rock" do you think of B.B. King, or ACDC?

EDIT: Did you even read the whole thing? You couldn't have in 5 minutes.

TheJack
04-05-2005, 04:53 PM
I read it in two minutes...lol
:)

rob15
04-05-2005, 04:54 PM
Definately worth the read thanks.....nemore to come

slash_pwns
04-05-2005, 04:59 PM
Oh well, thanks.

So should Pt. II be:

Applying the Blues (I am such a hypocrit)
or,
Pentatonics in Rhythm
or,
Beyond Power Chords. <--- I vote for that one

spee
04-05-2005, 05:38 PM
i thought it was pretty good other then the fact that i play back in black's main riff with a D5 opposed to a Dmaj. I think the next one would be cool if it was a pentatonic lesson.

thenexthendrix
04-05-2005, 05:42 PM
IMO I would vote for beyond power chords, that would be nice, also sweet article

slash_pwns
04-05-2005, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by spee
i thought it was pretty good other then the fact that i play back in black's main riff with a D5 opposed to a Dmaj. I think the next one would be cool if it was a pentatonic lesson.

D5? I play it with Dmaj and it sounds better/

slash_pwns
04-08-2005, 07:36 AM
So, no one wants to reply :(

*aproval*?

Captain Colon
04-08-2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by slash_pwns
D5? I play it with Dmaj and it sounds better/
Aye, AC/DC used full chords quite often.

I thought it was kinda jumpy...good intro with the powerchords, but I would've saved drop D and other alternate tunings for a later lesson, and focused more on the chords and progressions themselves. And I believe your Asus2 would be Asus2/B and Gsus2 would be Gsus2/A...I think it would've been better to wait on the altered chords until a more in-depth explanation of their construction and use. And of course they're not powerchords ;) But other than that it looks pretty good to me :)

I don't find your third way of playing powerchords difficult at all, and I really hate the first and second ways ;p

slash_pwns
04-08-2005, 03:23 PM
Maybe its jus me, but I use the first way.

And they wouldnt be Asus2/B etc, because its in Drop D.

Captain Colon
04-08-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by slash_pwns
And they wouldnt be Asus2/B etc, because its in Drop D.
Oops :o

slash_pwns
04-08-2005, 06:12 PM
Well, thanks for the replies, it seems noone cares anymore!

So, again I ask fo' *aprove*-age.

strangled
04-09-2005, 09:14 PM
i aprove
just iron out a few things and it will be great

Rankles
04-10-2005, 05:07 AM
Still not enough crits to give4 this approval yet. We need the lessons team in here.

slash_pwns
04-10-2005, 09:37 AM
Whose the lessons team?

Rankles
04-10-2005, 06:53 PM
^ I can't remember, i think they got lazy and disbanded.

Silentdeftone is one, he's your best bet.

Towlie
04-11-2005, 10:37 AM
Good lesson. *Thumbs up*

Fusion-M4st0r
04-15-2005, 01:48 PM
Great lesson if your just starting rock.

Fusion-M4st0r
04-15-2005, 01:49 PM
I say continue and do applying the blues, that would be pretty cool.

slash_pwns
04-20-2005, 02:50 PM
So, Rankles/high voltage, how many replie are needed for aproval anyways?

GoykPunk
04-22-2005, 08:27 PM
Pt. II should be:[list=1]
Applying the Blues
Pentatonics in Rhythm
Beyond Power Chords.[/list=1]
All of the are good... and I'd like to see eventually, but I think more power chords would be very useful, especially because I use them a lot.

I definitally approve of this lesson. Not that my opinion matters too much. I have played guitar for a few years, and I've gotten much better, but never learned the schoolwork part of music. This really helps.

SilentDeftone
04-23-2005, 03:28 PM
Whoo. Sorry it took so long to get here.

Your power chord section needs some work. Your chord/fingers examples are confusing, I remember you posting in the Basics forum in the same way and some members becoming confused. Also, you missed quite a few ways to play power chords.

I recommend using this kind of diagram for fingering charts:
I = Index
M = Middle
R = Ring
P = Pinky

..0...1...2...3...4...5..
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
G|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
D|-|---|---|-P-|---|---|-
A|-|---|---|-R-|---|---|-
E|-|-I-|---|---|---|---|-
F5! :)


You may use any/all of this power chord information as long as you give me credit for writing it:
***COPY-PASTED RESPONSE***
Power Chords

Power chords are a harmonic interval of a perfect 5th. They are neither minor nor major in their tonality. They are not really chords, as chords are 3 or more notes played simultaneously. A power chord only has 2 (root and 5th), which makes it an interval. Power chords are written in a progression as _5, named after their root note. For example, a D power chord would be written as D5.

Power chords are formed by taking the root and 5th (scale degrees 1 and 5) of the root note's major scale. For example, a C power chord:

..Note: C D E F G A B C
Degree: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1
........*.......*.....*

The first and 5th notes are those that comprise a power chord. Therefore, a C power chord is the notes C and G played simultaneously - no more, and no less. You may include octaves of these notes as you see fit to give different sounds to the power chords.

Some common shapes to play power chords are as follows:
e|-----------3--3-------------3--3--------------6-----6----|
B|--------3--3--3-------------x--x--------6--6--6--6--6-6--|
G|--------x--x--0-----5-----5-5--5--5--5--5--5--3--3--3-3--|
D|-----5--5--5--0--5--5--5--5-5--5--3--3--3--3--3-------3--|
A|--5--5--5--5--x--3--3--3--3-3--3-----3--3----------------|
E|--3--3--3--3--3--3--3----------3-------------------------|
....G5.............C5...............F5..........Bb5.........

G5 is notes G D
C5 is notes C G
F5 is notes F C
Bb5 is notes Bb F
***END OF COPY-PASTED RESPONSE***

Drop-D power chords are not used in just about every genre, the various genres of Jazz don't use them, nor blues, and generally not classic rock either?

Some chord progressions do sound horrible :p:
It might be beneficial if you explained what key the chord progressions were in and what they are in terms of roman numerals.

Damn I hate Drop D, it took me twice as long to figure out your Asus2-Gsus2-D5 example.

Needs a bit of changing before submission I think? sorry!

-SilentDeftone :dance:

slash_620
04-23-2005, 04:44 PM
i think you both need to define that a power chord isn't acctualy a chord.

SilentDeftone
04-23-2005, 05:30 PM
And I think you need to re-read this thread.

slash_pwns
04-26-2005, 03:28 PM
^heh, thanks. I just got eager to get it in. I guess it back to the drawing board for me! :peace:

SilentDeftone
04-26-2005, 03:59 PM
Not so much, you just need to change a few things. Don't start again from scratch!

fendermalmsteen
04-26-2005, 04:13 PM
I"ll add ONE more power chord shape for you to use if you want...

X
X
9
7
7
5

That's a real good one IMO.

slash_pwns
04-26-2005, 07:49 PM
^I think thats pointless are too hard to do for just a powerchord. All it adds is the octave of the fifth.

fendermalmsteen
04-26-2005, 08:43 PM
^^^Yea, but it sounds cool.

*hangs head in shame*

Fine then, you big meanie!

:( :peace:

slash_pwns
04-27-2005, 07:49 AM
^Sorry, I just cant help being a prick :p:

Ill try to get it updated soon.

`NeXxuS`
05-17-2005, 01:39 AM
just to let you know, you can use your index and your pinky to hold power chords... thats what i do... and im alot faster at ripping through a power chord riff since ive used my pinky...

slash_pwns
05-17-2005, 07:54 AM
^Thats what I do...

Captain Colon
05-17-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by slash_pwns
^I think thats pointless are too hard to do for just a powerchord. All it adds is the octave of the fifth.
Actually you can use it on the open powerchord to give it a "bigger" sound (this can sound pretty cool if you're downtuned and whaling that open powerchord for a real heavy sound)

I = Index
M = Middle
R = Ring
P = Pinky

..0...6...7...8...9...10.
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
G|-|---|---|---|-R-|---|-
D|-|---|---|---|-R-|---|-
A|-|---|-I-|---|---|---|-
E|0|---|---|---|---|---|-
E5 :D


I = Index
M = Middle
R = Ring
P = Pinky

..0...6...7...8...9...10.
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|-P-|-
G|-|---|---|---|-R-|---|-
D|-|---|-I-|---|---|---|-
A|0|---|---|---|---|---|-
E|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
A5! :D

Or one of my personal favorites...but it's more of a prog/metal thing than basic rock

I = Index
M = Middle
R = Ring
P = Pinky

..0...6...7...8...9...10.
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|-P-|-
G|-|---|---|---|-R-|---|-
D|-|---|-I-|---|---|---|-
A|0|---|---|---|---|---|-
E|0|---|---|---|---|---|-
A5/E ;)

SilentDeftone
05-17-2005, 08:35 PM
^ None of those are power chords.

-SD :dance:

Captain Colon
05-18-2005, 08:50 AM
Oh dear...fixed ;)

edawg
05-28-2005, 02:22 PM
good lesson i think the next lesson should be "beyond powerchords"

slash_pwns
06-04-2005, 06:16 PM
ROCK RHYTHM GUITAR PT. I- POWER CHORDS
____________________________________________
In the first installment of ROCK RHYTHM GUITAR you
will learn about power chords. How to make them, play them,
and even the theory behind them (Theory? Power Chords? Wha??
It's true, even Power Chords have theory)

You will also learn some riffs in songs that use power chords,
and then how to use common progressions to make your own riffs.


POWER CHORDS
____________________________________________
The basis of rock music. The power chord. Power chords
are possibly the easiest chord and have a great sound.
The only theory behind a power chord is the way you
make it. The construction of a power chord is (1 5 (1)).
Thats all. Now, lets learn some powerchords! But remember- Power
chords are in interval of a perfect fifth- not a chord!

..E5..F5...A5..B5
|-----------------|
|-----------------|
|---------(2)-(4)-|
|-(2)-(3)--2---4--|
|--2---3---0---2--|
|--0---1----------|

The first chord is E5 (putting 5 at the end of the note
means its a power chord, because all a power chord is, is
a root and a fifth.). E5 is made of the notes E, and B.
The additional note in brackets is the octave of E. It
is not needed, but adds depth and a brighter sound to
your power chords.

The second chord is F5. Its notes are F and C. This chord
is moveable, so if you move each note up 2 frets, it becomes
G5. Two more and its A5, get the idea?

The third chord chord is A5. Like E5, it is played in open
position, so you can't move it. Its notes are A and E.

The fourth and last chord is B5. Its notes are B and F#.
it is a moveable shape, like F5, so if you move it up 1 fret,
it becomes C5.

There are three ways you can play a power chord.

I = Index
M = Middle
R = Ring
P = Pinky

..0...1...2...3...4...5..
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
G|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
D|-|---|---|-P-|---|---|-
A|-|---|---|-R-|---|---|-
E|-|-I-|---|---|---|---|-


..0...1...2...3...4...5..
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
G|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
D|-|---|---|-P-|---|---|-
A|-|---|---|-P-|---|---|-
E|-|-I-|---|---|---|---|-

..0...1...2...3...4...5..
e|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
B|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
G|-|---|---|---|---|---|-
D|-|---|---|-R-|---|---|-
A|-|---|---|-R-|---|---|-
E|-|-I-|---|---|---|---|-



The next power chords are not used often (except for the open
shape) and are trickier than the other ones.

...D5..E5
|---------|
|-(3)-(5)-|
|--2---4--|
|--0---2--|
|---------|
|---------|

I suggest you make these chords with method 1 of positioning
you fingers.

Some common ways to play powerchords:
e|-----------3--3-------------3--3--------------6-----6----|
B|--------3--3--3-------------x--x--------6--6--6--6--6-6--|
G|--------x--x--0-----5-----5-5--5--5--5--5--5--3--3--3-3--|
D|-----5--5--5--0--5--5--5--5-5--5--3--3--3--3--3-------3--|
A|--5--5--5--5--x--3--3--3--3-3--3-----3--3----------------|
E|--3--3--3--3--3--3--3----------3-------------------------|
....G5.............C5...............F5..........Bb5.........

G5 is notes G D
C5 is notes C G
F5 is notes F C
Bb5 is notes Bb

DROP D TUNING
___________________________________________________
What? We're changing tunings now? I thought this would be
easy... Well, it still is. Drop D is very simple (unless
you are using a Floyd Rose Trem. If you are, skip this section)
tuning to get into, you just lower your 6th string (E- the really
thick one) down one step. How do you do this? Well, if you have
an electronic tuner, its a breeze. Just plug it in and lower the
string to D. If you don't have a tuner, thats not a problem!
Lower the string a little and play it at the 7th fret. Continue
to do this untill it matches the open A string. Then, you're done!

Now in Drop-D, power chords are 10x easier. Play this note:

|---|
|---|
|---|
|---|
|---|
|-2-|

Thats E (Every note on the low E string is moved up 2 frets,
because you tuned down.).

To make a power chord, you have to add B. So, lets add B!

|---|
|---|
|---|
|---|
|-2-|
|-2-|

Pretty easy, eh? You can play that with one finger! Now,
you can do your power chords, you've made them easier by
going into drop D, and you know how to make all the other
power chords yourself! Lets look at some songs that use
power chords.


POWER CHORD RIFFS
___________________________________________________
For just two notes, these little buggers are used in almost
every genre! Lets look at some songs that use power chords.

Still in Drop-D, eh? Lets do some songs in Drop-D before you
tune up.

Velvet Revolver- Slither
This is a great riff. Its also very easy to play! It's made
entirely out of power chords. Lets look at the TAB, shall we?

Main Riff
E|------------------|-----------------|
B|------------------|-----------------|
G|------------------|-----------------|
D|-0-3-4-0-6-7-0-10-|-0-6-7-0-5-0-3-4-|
A|-0-3-4-0-6-7-0-10-|-0-6-7-0-5-0-3-4-|
D|-0-3-4-0-6-7-0-10-|-0-6-7-0-5-0-3-4-|

Play them all as 8th notes, at a tempo of 140-145 BPM.

Pretty cool, huh? Easy too.

The Darkness- Growing on Me
Also in drop-D, the verse riff to this song is all
power chords. Listen to the song to get the right timing.

Verse
E|---------------|----------------------------------|
B|---------------|----------------------------------|
G|---------------|----------------------------------|
D|---------------|----------------------------------|
A|-0-0--7-7/9-9--|-0-0--7-7/9-9---5-5--4-4--4-0-----|
D|-0-0--7-7/9-9--|-0-0--7-7/9-9---5-5--4-4--4-0-----|

So, now that you have those two riffs under your belt, lets tune
back up to standard tuning for some more riffs.

Silvertide- Ain't Comin' Home
If you've never heard this song, i suggest you listen to it. This
song is made up of 3 chords (thats it! Except for the bridge, when
a G5 comes in). Lets look at the tab.

Main Riff
E|----||-------------------------||
B|----||----------------3--------||
G|-0--|o--1----2---2--x-2--2---2-o|
D|-0--|o--2----2---2--x-0--2---2-o|
A|-0--||--2----0---0--x----0---0-||
E|----||--0-----------x----------||

That one is a little thougher, because its a little fast and uses
E major. Lets look at a song from the masters of power chords- AC/DC.

AC/DC- Back in Black
Great Song, with piles of great riffs. I suggest listening to song to
get the timing. I will put the entire intro for you to try.

.Main Riff
E|------2-2-2-------------|-3p0----------------|
B|------3-3-3----2-2-2----|-----3p0------------|
G|------2-2-2----2-2-2----|---------2b4r2------|
D|-2----0-0-0----2-2-2----|--------------------|
A|-2-------------0-0-0----|--------------------|
E|-0----------------------|--------------------|

E|------2-2-2-------------|-----------------------|
B|------3-3-3----2-2-2----|-----------------------|
G|------2-2-2----2-2-2----|-----------------------|
D|-2----0-0-0----2-2-2----|-----------------------|
A|-2-------------0-0-0----|-2---2--0-2--1-2--2~~~-|
E|-0----------------------|---4-------------------|

Chorus
E|----------------|||-3--2-----------|||----------------||
B|----------------|||-3--3-----------|||----------------||
G|-2-----4--2--4--o|o-0--2--2-----2--o|o-2-----4--2--4--o|
D|-2--2--4--2--4--o|o-0--0--2-----2--o|o-2--2--4--2--4--o|
A|-0--2--2--0--2--|||-x-----0-----0--|||-0--2--2--0--2--||
E|----0-----------|||-3--------3-----|||----0-----------||
..^play x2.............^play x2............^play 2x


So, you can now play some riffs, with power chords. If you want
you can even go find the tabs for the songs and learn the rest
of the song.

Lets try to make some riffs using powerchords.


MAKING YOUR OWN RIFFS
________________________________________________________

slash_pwns
06-04-2005, 06:17 PM
con't from above

I'll set you off with some chord progressions (used commonly in
rock) and those 5 riffs from popular songs.

Chord Progressions- (A series of chords put together, that dont
sound horrible)

The Roman Numeral dictate which scale dgree as your root note. If
its upper case (V) its major, if its lower case, its minor (i). Extensions
can be added, like so: vii°7b5, V7, Imaj7m etc...

A D E (I IV V)
G C D (V I II)
G D Am7 (I V vii7)

Those are some popular ones. Feel free to make any up, but try to remember,
that a chord resolves best up a fourth (IV, 4) or down a fifth (V, 5)

I've chosen A-G-D, (I VII IV) and I changed it around to Asus2 (A B E),
Gsus2 (G A D), and D5 (D A). It's arranged for two guitars and
a bass for those of you playing in a band situation, if you aren't
in a band, just play Gtr I.

Q=156
....Asus2................Gsus2
....4/4
....Gtr I
||---------------------|-------------------|
||o--------------------|-------------------|
||---------------------|-------------------|
||--9-9---9------------|-7-7---7-----------|
||o-7-7---7---10-12\---|-5-5---5---8-10\---|
||------------10-12\---|-----------8-10\---|
|
|...Gtr II
||---------------------|-------------------|
||o--------------------|-------------------|
||---------------------|-------------------|
||---------------------|-------------------|
||o--------------------|-------------------|
||--7-7-7---7--7--7--7-|-5-5-5-5-5-5--5--5-|
|
|...Bass
||---------------------|-------------------|
||o--------------------|-------------------|
||o--------------------|-------------------|
||--7-7-7--7--7--7--7--|-5-5-5-5-5-5--5--5-|


..D5

|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-8-8---3-3---3---|-(3)--------------(3)/o||
|-7-7---2-2---2---|-(2)--------------(2)/-||
|-------------0---|-(0)--------------(0)/-||
|-----------------|----------------------o||
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|
|
|-----------------|-----------------------||4x
|-----------------|----------------------o||
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-----------------|----------------------o||
|-0-0-0---0-0-0-0-|--0--0-0-0-0--0-0------||
|
|
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-----------------|-----------------------||
|-0-0-0---0-0-0-0-|--0--0-0-0-0--0-0------||


Tuning: Drop-D (low to high- D-A-D-G-B-E)

Its played fast (156 bpm), the root note of the chord
is played by Gtr. II and The Bass.



All that from powerchords? Thats a pretty long read for two notes!
All you have to remember is that creativity is the key to building
riffs and songs out of power chords.

NOTE ABOUT TABS: About the tabs above (not directly, the ones of
popular songs), These might not be 100% correct, but its the way I
play them, and they sound right.

theboss
06-06-2005, 12:48 PM
yeah it was a pretty good lesson +1 thumbs UP+

slash_pwns
06-07-2005, 07:25 AM
Rankles- Are the 'zComlumns' people the lesson team?

SilentDeftone
06-07-2005, 07:41 AM
Seems like you're about ready?
You need to give me credit for the various positions. Just put 'Donated by SilentDeftone' or something just under the code. :)

*stamps approval*

-SD :dance:

slash_pwns
06-07-2005, 07:54 AM
^Yeah, I know. I'll do that before submittage.

(pokes at "Arpeggios Pt. II")

slash_pwns
06-12-2005, 05:30 PM
*pokes Rankles again*

slash_pwns
06-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Question: Does SD's approval count for anything?

Rankles
06-16-2005, 04:51 AM
Sorry guys, somehow I missed this thread. If you haven't submitted it already, do. I said SD could approve lessons because he's better at theory than I am by a long shot.

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