Best Tube Amp For Metal !!! ???


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xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:04 PM
I plat alot of Pantera, Metallica, BLS, and other assorted metal I want a tube amp that is gonna sound good for giggin this style of music...I also really enjoy softer classical stuff too though so its gonna be warm sounding as well I want to know how much itll cost to get the Head, and Cab , orrr if its a combo how much the combo will be thanks :cheers:

Mascot
05-24-2005, 08:05 PM
Uhh, obviously some type of fairly expensive botique amp that'll run you around $2500 for the head and cab.

ENGL, Bogner, Soldano, VHT, Diezel, and other amps of that sort.

randall_truscot
05-24-2005, 08:09 PM
peavey triple xxx head, is one of the heaviest

DrawArms
05-24-2005, 08:10 PM
mesa!!!

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:12 PM
Ok you guys are naming off random brands again such as mesa and peavey ... how many watts ..what do they go for CDN ??... are they good for gigging How much are they gonna cost me...?

GuitarN00b
05-24-2005, 08:12 PM
sheesh mascot - i see you give a lot of responses, but not an incredible amount of good answers...

i do know that the dimebag uses randall warheads - those might be worth a look
although not really the same style, i'm a big fan of Peavey XXX and the Peavey 6505 series amps.

EDIT: just saw the price thing...
the Peavey XXX (w/ accompanying cab) goes for about...$1500 i'm guessing - the Peavey 6505 might be a bit more

Crunchmeister
05-24-2005, 08:13 PM
First, tell us how much you can spend, then we can guide you towards some amps.

greatone_12
05-24-2005, 08:15 PM
a ss amp will do distortion very well, better than a lot of tube amps twice their price. but you also like smoother stuff which is a tube amp quality no doubt so i would get a pevy xxx and a distortion pedal for metal

Mascot
05-24-2005, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by GuitarN00b
sheesh mascot - i see you give a lot of responses, but not an incredible amount of good answers...

i do know that the dimebag uses randall warheads - those might be worth a look
although not really the same style, i'm a big fan of Peavey XXX and the Peavey 6505 series amps.

EDIT: just saw the price thing...
the Peavey XXX (w/ accompanying cab) goes for about...$1500 i'm guessing - the Peavey 6505 might be a bit more

What do you mean? He asked for an amp that was good for metal, so I gave him a few brands that makes amazing hi-gain amps. Then he asked for a price, so I gave him a price on them.

Whats wrong with me response. :(

I'm dissapointed in myself.

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:20 PM
okay haha my price range is about 1000-1300 CDN and yes i was looking at the warhead and loved it but u urself Crunch said Im better off getting a tube or a bandit cuz most SS amps lose there tone at about 5 but the Bandit can go to about 7 thats why im lookin for tube...but im still very interested in the Warheads i lllovvee there tone

GuitarN00b
05-24-2005, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Mascot
What do you mean? He asked for an amp that was good for metal, so I gave him a few brands that makes amazing hi-gain amps. Then he asked for a price, so I gave him a price on them.

Whats wrong with me response. :(

I'm dissapointed in myself.

well, at $2500, the amp better be able to make some nice sounding noise...
isn't it pretty obvious that an amp at that price would be at least decent?

xxgenocide98xx
05-24-2005, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by greatone_12
a ss amp will do distortion very well, better than a lot of tube amps twice their price. but you also like smoother stuff which is a tube amp quality no doubt so i would get a pevy xxx and a distortion pedal for metal

XXX are tube amps, general concensious is that distortion pedals + tube amps = hang yourself.


Laney, Marshall JCMs with overdrive pedals (maybe more than one, perhaps) before preamp, and Peavey are all good for cheap alternatives..

VH100r and GH50L/100L (i think thats the model) for Laney, around 600(GH-50L)-1200(VH100r) for the head.

JCM800 and 900 for Marshall, overdrives like Tubescreamer and DOD-250 are my favorite overdrives for starters.. anywhere from $500(jcm900) to $1000(jcm800 dual channel w/ reverb) and aorund 50-200 a pop for overdrives.

JSX (can be used for some more melodic metal) XXX, 5150/5150II for Peavey. 5150s and XXX go for around 600-700, 5150II are around 800ish and the JSX are about 1000 ish used.

Hand Wired/Botique amps:

Deizel: Just about anything...
Bogner: Extacy and Ubershall are insane.
ENGL: Savage 120, Powerball, Fireball
Mesa/Boogie dual/triple rectifiers, Stilettos(I put these here because they are in the same price range)
Soldano SLO

Thats just about it for amps.. as you can see there are two distinct classes, for the second set of amps, expect to pay at least $2,000 USD for most (except recitifers) new, and you're lucky to find them used. The first set of amps are relatively common, come in both combos and heads, and you can pick up under $1200 for a head, around 700 for a combo.

Whoever said that stuff ot mascot was really rude, he answered the question rather well.

All figures in USD, convert to canadian accordingly. best bang for the buck: VH100r, 5150II, ENGL Powerball. I know from experience the ENGL and the Laney have excellent clean channels, the 5150II has a better than average clean, as well.

Edit: I saw your price range of around 1000 USD and all I can say is that you can't get much for 'best metal amp' at a range like that. Look for VH100r, and Peavey 5150IIs. I saw a vh100r half stack for like $1000 USD on ebay, so good luck on that one.

Mascot
05-24-2005, 08:27 PM
Well, if he was asking here, I would assume he isn't a amp guru, and believe me, I though Marshalls were the highest gain amps ever until I came onto UG.

If he is asking for a good hi-gain tube amp, I'm gonna start naming names.

For your price range, I would look into Peavey XXX, Peavey 5150/6505, and probably my favorites out of the ones I'm going to suggest, the Laney VH100R and the Laney GH100L.

xxgenocide98xx
05-24-2005, 08:29 PM
I'd reccomend those two, as well. I just spent about six months looking into amps before settling on an ENGL Powerball.

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:34 PM
which one of those peaveys is known as the Bandit ???...everyone keeps talkin about the bandit but i dont know which amp it is thanks for all the advice u guys odds are im gonna go with a peavey or the warhead

Mascot
05-24-2005, 08:38 PM
Well, this is the Peavey Bandit. . .

http://peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/114331/number/00440600/cat/64/begin/1/Bandit%3F+112.cfm

I don't know why you want it though - if you can afford much better, why not get something thats much better?

I mean, yeah, the Bandit is an amazing SS amp, but if you can go for a hi-gain all tube, why not?

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:42 PM
I dont really know its just that Crunch and alot of others were talkin about them and they seemed like a really good versatile amp.. I really would like a tube but if there outta my price range then im not gonna stress out over it majorly ...so im just chekin all my options

jammin
05-24-2005, 08:44 PM
What's with all the Bandit hype around here? I've played one before, it wasn't anything special IMO.

GuitarN00b
05-24-2005, 08:44 PM
the thing about the peavey bandit is you can prolly get older ones for about $70 used - VERY good deal

what amp are you using now? have you considered saving up a little more...about $500 more, and going for your dream amp instead of taking stops along the way?

Mascot
05-24-2005, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by GuitarN00b
the thing about the peavey bandit is you can prolly get older ones for about $70 used - VERY good deal

what amp are you using now? have you considered saving up a little more...about $500 more, and going for your dream amp instead of taking stops along the way?

He's right. You don't want to have a small little SS practice amp, and then move up to a slightly larger SS amp thats a few more watts louder. It's just stupid.

Go for something that'll last you, because if you don't, I guarantee you're going to want to sell the Bandit and move on next year.

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 08:49 PM
You know what ur all right :) I should look into something with alot more power or more versatilily...Right now ive got a Line6 Spider II 75 watt the presets are okay but once u go past 6 the sound goes bad

jammin
05-24-2005, 08:50 PM
Go for a tube amp. They sound better when you turn them up.

FlightofIcarus
05-24-2005, 08:59 PM
A few suggestions...

Marshall JCM 800 - With an overdrive pedal, it's got to be the best Marshall for metal. Although known to be single channel amps, many dual channel versions have been going on Ebay lately. An amp very rich in mid-range, but very warm and smooth sounding. Think Maiden, Priest, BLS, Slayer, etc. They all used this amp at one point or still do. If you want a scooped sound, get an EQ pedal for it. It's basically the "classic" metal amp.

Mesa Boogie F-50 - Some people say they're the weakest thing boogie has to offer, but I still like them. Rediculously loud, heavy crunch, and a very good clean channel. I saw a used head at a guitar center for $700.

Mesa Boogie Rectifiers - Awesome amps. Really, really loud, tons of gain and bottom end. Best geared for a more modern kind of tone IMO, but it'll give you all the crunch you want, and then some.

The only Peavey amp I could recommend that I've played is the transtube bandit. I haven't played the 5150/6505, which many people like, but I played a XXX and didn't really like it that much.

Also, for a hell of a lot of money, there's always botique stuff: Soldano, ENGL, Bogner, Framus, Diezel. Stuff like that.

GuitarN00b
05-24-2005, 09:03 PM
actually, i don think the bandit is a bad amp at all

anad something just occured to me - why do you want a stack?

DrawArms
05-24-2005, 09:03 PM
Peavey 5150

xsanatariumx
05-24-2005, 09:05 PM
no no no no i dont want a stack im looking for a halfstack or a combo around 150 watts SS or 80-100 watts Tube...

GuitarN00b
05-24-2005, 09:19 PM
well, based on how much you know, i would say you probably don't need a stack (or a halfstack) - but don't take that wrong, i really don't know about your needs in an amp

i believe the Peavey 6505 combo is just around $1k USD, and it's 60W tube through 2 speakers

xxgenocide98xx
05-25-2005, 02:13 AM
You can get 5150(old version of the 6505, exact same amp just different name to avoid copyright on the eddie van halen name.) combos in the USA used for around 400, i saw one in the paper the other day..

Personally I didn't really like the JCM800 I played, it didn't sound defined enough, thten again the volume was really low... so who knows?

I'd stick with Laney and Peavey for a cheaper high-gain tube amp..

Peavey bandits are great practice amps but I can't see someone using it for anything more really.

GuitarN00b
05-25-2005, 12:56 PM
i don't remember the exact wattage of the peavey bandit, but it's certainly more than can be reasonably used for bedroom practice...

and as to the used 5150...that's prolly a rare gem - i've never seen them go for that cheap

GuitarJunkie
05-25-2005, 03:28 PM
peaver and or mesa...but a good modeling amp can get you hardcore tones too

DrawArms
05-25-2005, 04:50 PM
mesa single rec or dual with cab, end of story

jammin
05-25-2005, 04:53 PM
Now is not a good time to be buying 5150's on ebay, they're going for more than they ever have.

HopePoisoned
05-25-2005, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Mascot
Uhh, obviously some type of fairly expensive botique amp that'll run you around $2500 for the head and cab.

ENGL, Bogner, Soldano, VHT, Diezel, and other amps of that sort.

genious

:cheers:

Originally posted by xxgenocide98xx
XXX are tube amps, general concensious is that distortion pedals + tube amps = hang yourself.


Laney, Marshall JCMs with overdrive pedals (maybe more than one, perhaps) before preamp, and Peavey are all good for cheap alternatives..

VH100r and GH50L/100L (i think thats the model) for Laney, around 600(GH-50L)-1200(VH100r) for the head.

JCM800 and 900 for Marshall, overdrives like Tubescreamer and DOD-250 are my favorite overdrives for starters.. anywhere from $500(jcm900) to $1000(jcm800 dual channel w/ reverb) and aorund 50-200 a pop for overdrives.

JSX (can be used for some more melodic metal) XXX, 5150/5150II for Peavey. 5150s and XXX go for around 600-700, 5150II are around 800ish and the JSX are about 1000 ish used.

Hand Wired/Botique amps:

Deizel: Just about anything...
Bogner: Extacy and Ubershall are insane.
ENGL: Savage 120, Powerball, Fireball
Mesa/Boogie dual/triple rectifiers, Stilettos(I put these here because they are in the same price range)
Soldano SLO

Thats just about it for amps.. as you can see there are two distinct classes, for the second set of amps, expect to pay at least $2,000 USD for most (except recitifers) new, and you're lucky to find them used. The first set of amps are relatively common, come in both combos and heads, and you can pick up under $1200 for a head, around 700 for a combo.

Whoever said that stuff ot mascot was really rude, he answered the question rather well.

All figures in USD, convert to canadian accordingly. best bang for the buck: VH100r, 5150II, ENGL Powerball. I know from experience the ENGL and the Laney have excellent clean channels, the 5150II has a better than average clean, as well.

Edit: I saw your price range of around 1000 USD and all I can say is that you can't get much for 'best metal amp' at a range like that. Look for VH100r, and Peavey 5150IIs. I saw a vh100r half stack for like $1000 USD on ebay, so good luck on that one.

also genious

i love boutique amps, and Laney and some Peaveys


i recommend the Fireball/Powerball, Laney VH100, Bogner Uberschall or Ecstacy, Diezel VH4...

DrawArms
05-25-2005, 10:14 PM
B-52 tube heads, 100w tri rect for $700, all tube

jammin
05-25-2005, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by DrawArms
B-52 tube heads, 100w tri rect for $700, all tube

Do you realize that your opinion has changed four times in the course of one thread?

frog_friend
05-25-2005, 10:20 PM
ENGL deffinetly, fireball if you want just straight up gain, and heaviness. Powerball if you want to have more options, and still have huge amounts of gain. either are gret choices, just depends what kinda of money you have. Put some high out put pick ups in your guitar and you'll be in heaven(or hell whichever you pefer).

xsanatariumx
05-25-2005, 10:33 PM
how much is the fireball and the ENGL ??? ive never even heard of those :( ...im new to all this stuff, well...brands other than marshall haha

jammin
05-26-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by xsanatariumx
how much is the fireball and the ENGL ??? ive never even heard of those :( ...im new to all this stuff, well...brands other than marshall haha

http://www.rocksolidamps.com/items.php?CA=8

etherealprince
05-26-2005, 12:07 PM
You have two threads going, asking the same damn question.




WTF.

xxgenocide98xx
05-26-2005, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by xsanatariumx
how much is the fireball and the ENGL ??? ive never even heard of those :( ...im new to all this stuff, well...brands other than marshall haha


You can get used powerballs for around 1800ish, they resell at almost new value. I bought a mint condition powerball for $1565, but i got really lucky. lol

They can do EVERYTHING, though. I can get a 5150 sound, a Marshall JCM sound, a Rectifier sound.. They have TONS of options..

Open/focused mids, bottom boost, and four channels.. clean/crunch/lead soft and lead high...

canadianshredr
05-26-2005, 06:59 PM
go with AXL they are the best amps ever

canadianshredr
05-26-2005, 07:29 PM
no **** all those other amps AXL is like better ALL SS

xxgenocide98xx
05-26-2005, 08:02 PM
Don't doublepost in a thread and don't sit there and say LOLOL THIS AMP = TEH WINZORS ROFLMAO!!!

Maybe you could tell us WHY Its better than every other amp ever?

DrawArms
05-26-2005, 08:05 PM
metal, mesa triple rec, but if u wanna get a nice cheap tube amp, B-52 all tube 100w head at $700, great metal head

jammin
05-26-2005, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by DrawArms
metal, mesa triple rec, but if u wanna get a nice cheap tube amp, B-52 all tube 100w head at $700, great metal head

Do you have Alzheimer's?

canadianshredr
05-26-2005, 08:10 PM
i was joking around ...my friend opened this thread

Mascot
05-26-2005, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by DrawArms
metal, mesa triple rec, but if u wanna get a nice cheap tube amp, B-52 all tube 100w head at $700, great metal head

What is your problem? Stop posting this useless information. We can read it the first time. The more you post the exact same thing, the more we're going to think you're an idiot, and the more we're gonig to NOT listen to you.

And don't spam it up with jokes. . .what the hell is an Axl. . .

HopePoisoned
05-26-2005, 08:30 PM
this thread will be going to hell soon if that keeps happening...

just let it be canadianshredr and DrawArms...

anyway www.rocksolidamps.com homes those great ENGLs! im an ENGL *****, but B-52 is great if you dont have the money

but i still say the Laney VH100 is worth it, it's like 1,100 USD i believe....between the Engl price and the B-52 price

edit: 1,200 USD for the VH100 and the GHs are great as well, but IMO VH>GH but that's all in oppinion - both great quality and great sounds

laney: http://www.guitarshop.net/laneyampsforsale.htm

jammin
05-26-2005, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Mascot
the more we're going to think you're an idiot

I'm already there.

xsanatariumx
05-26-2005, 09:54 PM
hmmmmm yea i was lookin at these B-52 cabs and one of them was 400 watts for just ONE cab that seems pretty powerful to me...does anyone know how they sound ??? ...id be pairing it up with a tube head still not sure which one...probably something like... a randall titan or warhead x2 or maybe a crate 350 SS head... i donno....

Ps: Can some one explain what Ohm is ??? some guy said the B-52 cab was 8ohm and if u played a 4ohm head ud get about 168 watts of power ... what is ohm and how does it affect the power given out ????

Mascot
05-26-2005, 11:03 PM
From what I've heard, the B-52's are really nice amps, especially for the price.

As far as ohms go, they're basically for the impedance. You just want to make sure that the ohms match up on both the head and the cab.

If you want someone to explain the whole thing more in depth, I'm not your guy. I know the basic jist, but I may be wrong on certain points, and don't want to mislead you.

xsanatariumx
05-26-2005, 11:50 PM
haha thanks buddy

DrawArms
05-26-2005, 11:59 PM
all i wanted to say was about the B-52, but y not add the word mesa lol

woflish
05-27-2005, 12:52 AM
b 52: at-6012, all tube tri rectifier, 60wts of tube power, 2X12 speakers. available on may 2005.... i need one of those

Amra
05-27-2005, 07:58 AM
Whats with all the bandit homers around here?
I jammed with a guy that had a bandit combo, and my 80's randall solid state combo was louder AND sounded better. By the time we were done, he was not happy with his amp at all.

In your price range I would look at used marshall JCM2000s, used mesa rectifiers, or on the solid state side, dime warheads. Traynor has a new all tube combo coming out, geared for metal. You might check that out. Comparing crap like peavey bandits to amps like these is like lining up a bunch of pitbulls, and then someone bringing their chihuaha and standing him right next to them. ridiculous.

amra

etherealprince
05-27-2005, 02:10 PM
Dime Warheads arent great at all, they have OK distortion, but they lack alot compared to other amps. Dime never actually played his Warheads, he just endorsed them and stuck em on stage, while tube Marshalls sat behind them and gave him his tone.

Same goes for most other endorsed artists, they endorse the product, throw em on stage so the fans see them, and actually use other gear behind the scenes.

Quite misleading to the untrained.

Amra
05-27-2005, 06:34 PM
No dude, he used some marshalls occasionally to double track guitars for recording, but he used 80's and 90s solid state Randalls live.

etherealprince
05-28-2005, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Amra
No dude, he used some marshalls occasionally to double track guitars for recording, but he used 80's and 90s solid state Randalls live.

No, not really. There is a picture of his real rig over at metaltabs.com go post in the gear forum and ask for it, someone will repost it. Or just search there.
It shows his backstage marshall rig, it has marshall heads and a bunch of rack gear.
He did use SS randalls now and then, but his main gigging rig was marshall. Just go ask over at metaltabs.

sixxx
07-05-2005, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by etherealprince
No, not really. There is a picture of his real rig over at metaltabs.com go post in the gear forum and ask for it, someone will repost it. Or just search there.
It shows his backstage marshall rig, it has marshall heads and a bunch of rack gear.
He did use SS randalls now and then, but his main gigging rig was marshall. Just go ask over at metaltabs.


i believe this blasphemus subject has already been covered in a previous thread. the amps behind dimes are for the band that is goin to play after DIME. i am pretty sure(thought i cannot remember the person or else i would give credit) also stated that for someone to make such a comment that he/she has never been to a concert:D

funkmasterswede
07-18-2005, 08:59 PM
For the reasonable price of 1500 canadian you can get a mesa boogie F-100, which are pretty good nowhere hear as nice as the rectifiers but for the price they are sweet

Tydogg
10-15-2006, 06:45 PM
I deffinetly agree with everyone else... Don't buy a cheap amp now just to get something new to play with while you're trying to find "the" amp. If you're really into the Dime sound, you're into the transistor sound. Scooped out mids and all that. Even if you get a tube amp to sound like that, whats the point? Save yourself the money. Theres a lot of "shredder kids" out there perfectly happy with trasistors. Not being one of those people myself... I started looking into Traynor. I knew Fenders not going to give me a metal amp, don't care for Mesas or Peavy, and im always looking for the underdog. Hah, and being Canadian and all yourself, you might not want to stray too far from home (Traynors in Canada).. I was able to pick up a YCM-80 for five hundred (USD) used on Ebay. Looked brand spanking new and the guy even upgraded the tubes for me before sending it out... Totally stole it. It has a master for the clean channel so you can blend in some really, really nice bluesy overdrive out of it. It has an "expander" switch on the clean too that really fattens up the sound. Then on the gain side, (why i bought the amp) you have your overdrive one and two (lead). Theres a mid scoop too.. (deftones and dime sound)... Also, the amp is tubed with 5881's.. which is what Kerry King puts in his JCM800's. So you can really get a pretty good range of metal sounds out of it. Your idea of gigging might be different than mine. I went on tour this summer and played my combo the whole time. I was the only guy i saw the whole time on the road with a damn combo, but i tell you what, it pushed over a lot of trasistor stacks.. they just don't have the deffinition to cut through like a tube amp does. I always feel like i just can't hear the music through a trans amp. To each his own of course... but, if you don't need a stack (doesn't sound like you do).. check out the 80 watt all tube YCM-80 from Traynor.. the bow front is a cool touch too... also, they have the best warranty ever... Now if you're making some dough and have it to spend... start looking into your VHT's, Engl, Bogner, etc... but, honestly.... if it doesn't make sense to spend that kind of cash.... don't do it... all the best from the States.... Ty... ;)

caughtinamosh
10-15-2006, 06:49 PM
I deffinetly agree with everyone else... Don't buy a cheap amp now just to get something new to play with while you're trying to find "the" amp. If you're really into the Dime sound, you're into the transistor sound. Scooped out mids and all that. Even if you get a tube amp to sound like that, whats the point? Save yourself the money. Theres a lot of "shredder kids" out there perfectly happy with trasistors. Not being one of those people myself... I started looking into Traynor. I knew Fenders not going to give me a metal amp, don't care for Mesas or Peavy, and im always looking for the underdog. Hah, and being Canadian and all yourself, you might not want to stray too far from home (Traynors in Canada).. I was able to pick up a YCM-80 for five hundred (USD) used on Ebay. Looked brand spanking new and the guy even upgraded the tubes for me before sending it out... Totally stole it. It has a master for the clean channel so you can blend in some really, really nice bluesy overdrive out of it. It has an "expander" switch on the clean too that really fattens up the sound. Then on the gain side, (why i bought the amp) you have your overdrive one and two (lead). Theres a mid scoop too.. (deftones and dime sound)... Also, the amp is tubed with 5881's.. which is what Kerry King puts in his JCM800's. So you can really get a pretty good range of metal sounds out of it. Your idea of gigging might be different than mine. I went on tour this summer and played my combo the whole time. I was the only guy i saw the whole time on the road with a damn combo, but i tell you what, it pushed over a lot of trasistor stacks.. they just don't have the deffinition to cut through like a tube amp does. I always feel like i just can't hear the music through a trans amp. To each his own of course... but, if you don't need a stack (doesn't sound like you do).. check out the 80 watt all tube YCM-80 from Traynor.. the bow front is a cool touch too... also, they have the best warranty ever... Now if you're making some dough and have it to spend... start looking into your VHT's, Engl, Bogner, etc... but, honestly.... if it doesn't make sense to spend that kind of cash.... don't do it... all the best from the States.... Ty... ;)

this post is: TL;DR, you can help by adding pretty pictures here and there to keep my attention

aequitasveritas
10-15-2006, 08:47 PM
why the hell did you revive such an old thread

caughtinamosh
10-15-2006, 09:04 PM
cus he wanted to make a long post

Slashfan_666
10-15-2006, 11:27 PM
Get a switchblade, or a krankenstein (TUBE)

Dave_Mc
10-16-2006, 08:56 AM
well, at $2500, the amp better be able to make some nice sounding noise...
isn't it pretty obvious that an amp at that price would be at least decent?

krank?

:D

EDIT:^ jesus, no!

tubab0y
10-16-2006, 10:06 AM
peavey 5150, for sure. as long as you don't need a clean channel, in which case you're hosed. the combos (50 watts, 2x12) are plenty enough for anything, and go for 400-500 used.

EDIT: krank revolution is basically the same, except it has a good clean channel too. that warm tube sound everyone wants.

codybcool
10-16-2006, 10:08 AM
^if you want cleans then throw a chorus pedal in front of the clean channel of the 5150. Sorted.

And i can't believe someone seriously suggested Krank. It's funny that people recommend them when they've clearly never heard one before.

Sora 01
10-16-2006, 11:15 AM
Mesa mark Iv id say?

WyldeMalmsteen
10-16-2006, 01:26 PM
Seriously the BEST TUBE AMPS 4 METAL ARE RANDALL and everyone should agree
Or Krank Krankstein

wylde_guy
10-16-2006, 01:34 PM
5150 or the 6505 [same amp]

Sora 01
10-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Seriously the BEST TUBE AMPS 4 METAL ARE RANDALL and everyone should agree
Or Krank Krankstein

Havent tried randall BUT KRANK SOUND LIKE A FAT KID IS SITTING INFRONT OF THEM. they do IMO anyway really dont like those amps. I said Mark IV before but probably now that i think about it a botique amp is probably the best for...anything.

Dave_Mc
10-16-2006, 04:22 PM
Seriously the BEST TUBE AMPS 4 METAL ARE RANDALL and everyone should agree
Or Krank Krankstein

:haha

joel_grieve
10-16-2006, 06:37 PM
someone sig that...

wylde_guy
10-16-2006, 06:55 PM
::sniff:: do i smell something? yeah...i smell a noob

mattldm2003
10-18-2006, 12:10 PM
So it seems that everyone has a different opinion on which amp is the "ultimate Metal" amp. I would like to add a few questions to the thread...

First off, I am a noob to tube - I have always played SS so please forgive me if my questions have been covered before...

In an amp like the peavey 6505 is the internal distortion all you need to create that high gain metal sound or do you need an additional overdrive/distortion pedal or pedals of some kind?

How do tube amps like this sound at low, bedroom volumes? Can you still get the distortion, harmonics, etc. to come through without the volume up?


I am looking for a metal tone like Metallica, Arch enemy but with the ability to play satirani and hard rock type music as well.

Dave_Mc
10-18-2006, 12:58 PM
^ you should be able to get all the distortion you need on a peavey 5150 without pedals.

some people set the gain lower than desired, and then use an overdrive pedal for a slight boost to tighten up the tone- they claim this gets them a better tone.

at bedroom volume, you should still have more than enough distortion for your needs, but you're right, you'll have more distortion at full volume- on my engl, with the gain rolled back to about 3 or 4 at full volume, it has more "distortion" than with the gain on 10 at bedroom volumes. it sounds better too.

i can still get the harmonics etc. at low volumes, though. but that really depends on the amp.

as for which is best, you're right, it's all preference. and just because I say it has enough distortion at low levels for me, doesn't mean it'll be enough for you, etc.

Guitargod12345
10-18-2006, 02:49 PM
If you have the money, Mesa Boogie amplifiers.

bluespunkmetal
10-19-2006, 12:06 PM
^n00.......................b^

If you have the money, <insert boutique manufacturer here> amplifiers !!!

I suggest Soldanos !!

wylde_guy
10-19-2006, 01:31 PM
i'd still say the 5150/6505's are the best amps out there for metal...they get tons of gains, the cleans suck, but for metal you'd usually use a chorus on the cleans...i'm gonna get a 5150 soon when i get the money for it

mattldm2003
10-19-2006, 01:39 PM
How does the overdrive/distortion of the Peavey Vavleking (1 x 12" combo) compare to the 5150?
I have heard sound clips of both and they sound good online, of course the 5150 sounds amazing, but it is just way more amp than I really need. ( am I going to get flamed for saying that, lol)

I know I need to try them out but I havent found a dealer that has them both in stock.

wylde_guy
10-19-2006, 01:41 PM
How does the overdrive/distortion of the Peavey Vavleking (1 x 12" combo) compare to the 5150?
I have heard sound clips of both and they sound good online, of course the 5150 sounds amazing, but it is just way more amp than I really need. ( am I going to get flamed for saying that, lol)

I know I need to try them out but I havent found a dealer that has them both in stock.

heres some BG on the 5150:

they don't make them anymore but they now make the 6505's because of some dispute with van halen...but they're the same exact amp, you can still get a 5150 on ebay though


the 5150 has more gain than the valveking and i think more power...i wouldn't really want to use the valveking for metal, either...strikes me more as a mainstream rock or punk amp...

mattldm2003
10-19-2006, 01:55 PM
heres some BG on the 5150:

they don't make them anymore but they now make the 6505's because of some dispute with van halen...but they're the same exact amp, you can still get a 5150 on ebay though


the 5150 has more gain than the valveking and i think more power...i wouldn't really want to use the valveking for metal, either...strikes me more as a mainstream rock or punk amp...

Thanks for the reply. I am aware of the change from 5150 to 6505, and I have been keeping an eye out on ebay. :cool: I was just wondering about the smaller vavleking because it would be a better fit (volume and size wise) for my house and the small room that I play in 99% of the time.

wylde_guy
10-19-2006, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the reply. I am aware of the change from 5150 to 6505, and I have been keeping an eye out on ebay. :cool: I was just wondering about the smaller vavleking because it would be a better fit (volume and size wise) for my house and the small room that I play in 99% of the time.

you might not want a tube amp if you're always gonna play in the house...tube amps are meant to be played loud and don't sound that good at lower volumes...are you gonna be able to crank it in this room?

mattldm2003
10-19-2006, 09:31 PM
you might not want a tube amp if you're always gonna play in the house...tube amps are meant to be played loud and don't sound that good at lower volumes...are you gonna be able to crank it in this room?

Yeah I will be able to turn it up (as long as the wife is downstairs! lol)

I went to GC tonight to try out a few tubes... I played the Mesa Dual Rect. The Peavy Vavleking, VOX AC30?? (not sure the model) and the Marshall JC2000 TSL

I played them with the same guitar I have at home and I purposely tried to keep the volume down, but it was hard with the Mesa! :D

Of the Amps I played the Mesa was my overall favorite, I loved the sweet distortion. This amp was awesome for distortion although it could have had a bit more gain for me, but maybe it would at higher volumes?? The clean tones sounded fine to me, but not as good as some of the others.
The Valveking sounded great clean, but the distortion was just OK.
The Vox - didnt like it at all really. decent clean sound, but not near enough gain in the distortion.
The Marshall - again, good sounding clean tones but just not the distortion I am looking for.

Too bad they didnt have a 6505 to compare!

wylde_guy
10-19-2006, 09:39 PM
i would say for you it is between three amps:

5150/6505
jcm 2000tsl
mesa

those are basically my 3 favorite amps, i like the 5150 best because it's got a ****load of gain on the low end which is great for my band's style [a mixture of death and thrash]

the JCM2000 is also really good for mainly leads...that's why i love it

my third favorite amps is the b-52 at-100 which is a triple rectifier, probably like the mesa you were playing...which is a lot like the 5150 with possibly more gain at the low end...


it's definately a tough call, especially when you don't have a 6505 to compare it to...

mattldm2003
10-19-2006, 09:49 PM
i would say for you it is between three amps:

5150/6505
jcm 2000tsl
mesa

those are basically my 3 favorite amps, i like the 5150 best because it's got a ****load of gain on the low end which is great for my band's style [a mixture of death and thrash]

the JCM2000 is also really good for mainly leads...that's why i love it

my third favorite amps is the b-52 at-100 which is a triple rectifier, probably like the mesa you were playing...which is a lot like the 5150 with possibly more gain at the low end...


it's definately a tough call, especially when you don't have a 6505 to compare it to...

GC did have a B-52 half stack and a combo but I didnt notice them until I was on the way out. I will have to go back to try those, I have read good things about them. If the B-52 sounds good, the price is right, it was half the price of the Mesa or Marshall.

I also really liked the "solo" on the Mesa, it added a nice punch to the high end.
The Mesa sounded sweet playing Metallica and also sounded good on some satriani - although it was a bit "dirty" for J.S. stuff.

I would love to find a 6505 and a Mesa next to each other so I could A-B test.

wylde_guy
10-19-2006, 09:55 PM
GC did have a B-52 half stack and a combo but I didnt notice them until I was on the way out. I will have to go back to try those, I have read good things about them. If the B-52 sounds good, the price is right, it was half the price of the Mesa or Marshall.

I also really liked the "solo" on the Mesa, it added a nice punch to the high end.
The Mesa sounded sweet playing Metallica and also sounded good on some satriani - although it was a bit "dirty" for J.S. stuff.

I would love to find a 6505 and a Mesa next to each other so I could A-B test.

i just played a show with our vocalists b-52 direct into the mixer for 300+ people

i must say i was AMAZED with my sound that night...

they're pretty cheap, also, like 700 or something, mesas can get to a couple of thousand as well as marshalls can...

if only you could just find a 6505!!! it would end your search!!

aequitasveritas
10-19-2006, 10:04 PM
the 5150/6505 circuit is based almost entirely on the soldano slo-100 gain circuit though. that being said, how about the soldano for metal, especially compared to the 5150?

HELLSHREDD
09-18-2007, 10:43 PM
I really like Mesa for the clean sound & punch in the mids for solo's, with emg pick-ups & a cool axe my set up is like a fix a junkie would desire.
I just wonder if i could add some sort of distortion pedal that would take me through the roof with gain , any suggestions ???? :peace:

Dave_Mc
09-19-2007, 08:12 AM
jeez, that's like an 11 month bump!

what mesa do you have already?

HELLSHREDD
09-19-2007, 01:30 PM
jeez, that's like an 11 month bump!

what mesa do you have already?
I just bought the smallest mesa , the 5:25 express , new for 07 ,& just wondering if a Boss Metal pedal would sound great with this little amp?

Dave_Mc
09-19-2007, 02:13 PM
doubtful, you're liable to lose all your nice tone. go with an overdrive or clean/treble booster, and possibly an eq pedal.

Horlicks
09-19-2007, 02:20 PM
I would love to find a 6505 and a Mesa next to each other so I could A-B test.

I have!
The Mesa Dual Recto actually sounds a bit thinner then the 5150 half stack but there almost identical, 5150 is just a bit fatter tone-wise.
The 5150 is actually better at distortion IMO.

HELLSHREDD
03-04-2008, 06:07 AM
I just bought the smallest mesa , the 5:25 express , new for 07 ,& just wondering if a Boss Metal pedal would sound great with this little amp?
i sold that little piece of crap , Now im jamming with the new spidervalve :devil:

ZippoTragedy
11-16-2008, 12:02 AM
For just balls-out metal tone, Peavey 6505 Combo would be a smart play. 120w, sick gain structure 2x12 (about 100 lbs) but for less than $1000 new, you can't go wrong. It IS more than a bit noisy, however. I have one - love it, but not for anything other than metal/rock.

@nd suggestion would be a Fender SuperSonic - all tube, and gain channel is pretty nice, no hiss, and the cleans are re-productions of the Bassman and Vibro issues. With the nex types of AX12 Pre-amp distortion pedals (like Damage Control Solid Metal) - can turn your CLEAN channel into a beast - literally - and who knows what it'd do to your gain channel. That's why I think you can get a lot more versatility out of something that's not a one-trick pony.

zt

seth-ep
12-22-2008, 01:45 AM
forget about the bandit, its preatty far from being the " Best Tube Amp For Metal !!! " since its not even a tube amp lol. not even the best SS amp though... now its just sitting on my closet.

5150/6505, the best tube amp for metal, period. buy it new for 1000 bucks, you'll be glad you did ;)

dudey5691
12-22-2008, 02:10 AM
*reported*

Let this thread die, please. There has been three ONE-YEAR bumps already.

seth-ep
12-22-2008, 02:27 AM
hahah s**t, i just fugured that out, :haha my bad