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st anger blows
06-29-2005, 09:14 PM
isn't there a website that you can put in the chords and it will tell you the key or something like that? i used to know the site but i forgot it obviously. thanks in advance people.

customx42inch
06-29-2005, 09:16 PM
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chord_name.php

The_Strat_Man
06-29-2005, 09:17 PM
Check this lesson. It's by SilentDeftone. He's an amazing guy, brilliant, intelligent, and very good at music theory.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/chords/what_chords_are_in_what_key_and_why.html

Yay! I did some SD promoting. Now, where's my money?

uberfag
06-29-2005, 09:50 PM
what do you mean? diatonic chords? if so, then its just I - ii - iii - IV - V - vi - vii░ for any key (where key = I, the tonic)

st anger blows
06-30-2005, 04:06 AM
those first two posts got it. thanks a bunch fellas.

epacers7
06-30-2005, 08:45 AM
hey u should just learn wat notes and chords r in wat key and u should kno the order so u can tell if they r minor major or diminished I ii iii IV V vii vii* (* means diminished now lol)

u kno the formula rite wwhwwwh
key of Cmaj: Cmaj Dmin Emin Fmaj Gmaj Amin B* then back to Cmaj

slash_pwns
06-30-2005, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by uberfag
what do you mean? diatonic chords? if so, then its just I - ii - iii - IV - V - vi - vii░ for any key (where key = I, the tonic)

For any major key that is ;)

Minor is just i ii░ III iv v VI V... Or start from 6th (Minor third below) note.

EDIT: for those of you who dont know... To make the diminished sign, its Alt+248. ░░░

uberfag
06-30-2005, 10:12 PM
^I've posted these too many times, I'm getting sloppy! :cheers:

SilentDeftone
07-01-2005, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by slash_pwns
Minor is just i ii░ III iv v VI V... Or start from 6th (Minor third below) note. :no:

Minor is i ii░ bIII iv v bVI bVII.

-SD :dance:

Corwinoid
07-01-2005, 10:14 AM
^ No... minor is 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1, for intervals; for chord degrees, it's still i ii░ III iv v VI VII7

SilentDeftone
07-01-2005, 10:20 AM
An AIM conversation?


SD (8:42 PM): I have a somewhat stupid question
Cas (8:43 PM): what's that?
SD (8:44 PM): when playing in a key other than major - for instance let's say we are in F lydian - would the fourth chord be notated as #iv? or just plain iv?
SD (8:44 PM): do roman numerals act as intervals, basically
SD (8:45 PM): actually, I mean #iv░
Cas (8:45 PM): yeah, you'd call it #ivo or #ivě
SD (8:45 PM): okay
SD (8:45 PM): and then when playing in Am the C chord would be bIII
SD (8:45 PM): etc.
Cas (8:46 PM): yeah
SD (8:46 PM): okay
SD (8:46 PM): thanks
Cas (8:46 PM): no prob

:confused:

-SD :dance:

The_Strat_Man
07-01-2005, 10:23 AM
^Why would it be bIII?

Am Scale: A B C D E F G A
Cmaj: C E G

You don't have to flatten anything to get the right chord. It's just a III chord. Do you get it now?

SilentDeftone
07-01-2005, 10:26 AM
Because C is the b3 of A.

-SD :dance:

Corwinoid
07-01-2005, 10:27 AM
Exactly... chord degrees are built on the relative interval of the key they're being used in anyway; which is confusing, because you can have VII7 in minor, and vii░ and they vary by root... and you don't have to differentiate between keys.

This is uber confusing on text medium, because we don't precede everything with a key signature, and tonal alterations to scales :/

But really, b/# before an a chord degree, such as III, implies deviation from the base key.

Corwinoid
07-01-2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by SilentDeftone
Because C is the b3 of A.

-SD :dance:

It's the interval is a b3; it's still the third degree in key.

slash_pwns
07-01-2005, 11:52 AM
I still look at the chords as i ii░ III iv v VI VII7, just through the notes of said minor scale on there.

uberfag
07-01-2005, 12:34 PM
if you're in a minor key, you wouldn't denote the chords as they would be compared to the major scale "formula"... For example, if you were to do a harmonic analysis of a piece, you would use the symbols slash_pwns provided... the i ii░ bIII iv v bVI bVII is how the diatonic chords fit in to the major scale formula (such as with chords, i.e. 1-3-5, 1b3-5, etc.). But there are in fact major and minor keys, so in a practical sense, minor is separate body from major

casualty01
07-09-2005, 01:35 PM
sorry, but most of you are wrong on this. what I said to deftone is indeed correct.

in the case of any chord pattern or progression, you notate it specifically by relation to the major scale. just as you would with any of the interval patterns of a scale.

I'm sorry if you disagree but that's how it is.

yes, when verbally saying something to someone (who knows what you're talking about) you can easily go "yeah, it's in Aminor... play the the three chord four chord the five chord then resolve to the one"

but when writing it or notating it or any other form of musical communication dealing with accurately expressing the information you're trying to get accross, you use the altered roman numeral method.

if you don't think i'm correct, then please also contact Berklee, Jamey aebersold jazz co., Alfred Publishing, Mel Bay, Warner Bros. and various other institutions and artists that set the standards for the past 50 years, and tell them they're all wrong.

Cas-:peace:

redwing_suck
07-09-2005, 09:21 PM
^I contacted them all about this. They all laughed at me, but I don't know why... :(

:rolleyes:

*cough*

spitfire89
07-11-2005, 01:09 PM
well I got a simple question like I can understand you can have chord progression in the key of D say, but wouldn't following this format mean all songs in the key of D sound the same? or do you take any chord out of those progressions and make a song out of em? please explain.

SilentDeftone
07-11-2005, 04:17 PM
^ No, all songs in the key of D don't sound the same. You can have different chord progressions, voicings, rhythms, lead lines, harmonies, etc.

-SD :dance: