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Andrewbiles
08-30-2005, 03:56 PM
Ok, this is basically here to "advertise" the essentials of Alt & Indie. It's not for band recommendations as it'd just get overrun with them, but here's a list of what I personally think should go on it. If you have a problem with the list or suggestions feel free to PM me.
I should really put some links up, but I'm gonna head off the net in a minute and if you think you have an essential for the Alt & Indie fan, please post.

What should be recommended.......

Essential Links:

Allmusic's Indie-rock definition (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47318DF4EAA7520C59C3B56CCA371FB05DB50DA8611344754D5B97F4B82006AEA04E19F8CC7AD26F878AFE029BB580FD3CFA25EF6DC61373E8AFED71D&sql=77:4464)
Wikipedia's definition of Indie music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28music%29)
Epitonic (http://www.epitonic.com)
Free Indie (www.freeindie.com)
UG Alt & Indie board's Audioscrobbler/Last.fm group (http://www.last.fm/group/Ultimate-guitar%2BAlternative%2Band%2BIndie%2BBoard) - thanks to pumpkins_rule
UG Alt & Indie Map (http://www.mapservices.org/myguestmap/showguestmap.do?id=altindie) - thanks to tezhall
Past Alt & Indie AOTW's (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336814)


Record Labels:

4AD (http://www.4ad.com)
Arts & Crafts (http://www.arts-crafts.ca)
Barsuk (http://www.barsuk.com)
Constellation Records (http://www.cstrecords.com)
French Kiss Records (http://www.frenchkissrecords.com/)
Hush Records (http://www.hushrecords.com/)
Kill Rock Stars (http://www.killrockstars.com)
Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/)
Motive Sounds (http://www.motivesounds.com/)
Rough Trade Records (http://www.roughtraderecords.com/)
Saddle Creek (http://www.saddle-creek.com)
Sub Pop (http://www.subpop.com/)
Temporary Residence (http://www.temporaryresidence.com/)
Xtra Mile Recordings (http://www.xtramilerecordings.com)


Good webzines/blogs/magazines:

Adrian's Album Reviews (http://www.adriandenning.co.uk/azreviews.html)
Arthur Mag (http://www.arthurmag.com)
Bradley's Almanac (http://www.bradleysalmanac.com)
Julian Cope Presents Head Heritage (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung)
Indie Workshop (http://indieworkshop.com)
Music (for robots) (http://music.for-robots.com/)
Pitchfork Media (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com)
Scaruffi's (http://www.scaruffi.com/music.html)
Trouser Press (http://www.trouserpress.com/)
We Want The Airwaves Back (www.airwavesback.com)


Books:

33 1/3 Series (http://www.continuumbooks.com/) - Continuum International Publishing
A History of Rock Music: 1951-2000 (http://www.scaruffi.com/history/long.html) - iUniverse.com
Labels Unlimited Series (http://www.bdpworld.com/) - Black Dog Publishing


Legal bootleg (live shows) sites:

Bootleg Freakin (http://bootleg.freakin.nl/)
Dime-A-Dozen (torrents) (http://www.dimeadozen.org)
Live Music Archive (http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php)
Songs: Ohia/Jason Molina/Magnolia Electric Co (http://pry.com/songsohia/)


Shops: (for local shops check posts - I have a feeling there may become quite a few)

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com) (UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk))
Amoeba Music (http://www.amoeba.com)
Boomkat (http://www.boomkat.com)
Darla (http://www.darla.com)
Ebay (http://www.ebay.com) (UK (http://www.ebay.co.uk))
eMusic (http://www.emusic.com) (The bargain indie download store)
Fopp (http://www.fopp.co.uk)
GEMM (http://www.gemm.com)
Insound (http://www.insound.com)
Net Sounds Music (http://www.netsoundsmusic.com/)
Newbury Comics (http://www.newburycomics.com)
Rough Trade (http://www.roughtrade.com)
Select a Disc (http://www.selectadisc.co.uk)
Sister Ray (http://www.sisterray.co.uk)
Tap Into Music (http://www.tapintomusic.com)


Essential albums: (ones that'll last the test of time, not just stuff known about for a week and then forgotten)

Air - Moon Safari
The Album Leaf - One day I'll be on time
The Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
The Beatles - Revolver
Beck - Odelay
Biffy Clyro - Vertigo of Bliss
Black Grape - It's great when you're straight... yeah
Blind Melon - Blind Melon
Blur - The best of Blur
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited and/or Bringing it all back home
Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret
Can - Tago Mago and/or Eye Bamyasi
Cat Power - Moon Pix
The Cure - Disintegration
Damien Rice - O
The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
Dexy's Midnight Runners - Too Rye Ay
Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Don Caballero - Don Caballero II
Elliott Smith - X/O
Embrace - The Good Will Out
The Fall - The Nation's Saving Grace
The Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin
Fugazi - 13 Songs
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days
Jeff Buckley - Grace
Joy Division - Closer
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Les Savy Fav - Inches
The Libertines - Up the Bracket
Lou Reed - Transformer
Love - Forever Changes
M83 - Before the Dawn Heals us
Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Mars Volta - De-loused in the comatorium
Massive Attack - Blue Lines
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
Mission of Burma - Vs
Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
Mogwai - Happy Songs for Happy People
The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the sea
Nick Drake - Five Leaves left
Oasis - Definately Maybe and/or (What's the story) Morning Glory
Orange Juice - The Glasgow School
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
The Pixies - Doolittle and/or Surfer Rosa
Portishead - Dummy
Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen
Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Pulp - Different Class
Radiohead - OK Computer
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill
REM - Murmur
Sebadoh - III and/or Sebadoh
Shellac - At Action Park
The Shins - Oh Inverted World
Sigur Ros - ()
Slint - Spiderland
Slowdive - Souvlaki
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation and/or Washing Machine
Stereophonics - Words gets around
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans
The Strokes - Is this it?
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring
Talking Heads - Remain in Light
Television - Marquee Moon
Tristeza - Dream Signals in Full Circles
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
The Verve - Urban Hymns
Scott Walker - Tilt
Weezer - The Blue Album
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

This is mainly to help the new to the genre(s), but hopefully to others as well.
:cheers:

(I personally do not endorse all of the 'essential albums', some are added due to horrible taste :p: )

ohdarn323
08-30-2005, 04:12 PM
Webzine: Pitchfork Media
Essential Albums: Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The Arcade Fire's Funeral
Built To Spill's Keep It Like A Secret

RobbieMac2002
08-30-2005, 04:14 PM
ooo... this will be a very nice thread...

well, im sure ill add a lot to it as time goes on... but ill start it off simple...

The SelectaDisc in Nottingham is THE store to go to for great music at brilliant prices... they also always seem to have any US released imports or rare EP's or stuff without me needing to ask for them to order it...

oh, and a vinyl section on the top floor that also sells gig tickets...

so um, yea... id say thats probably the best shop for music in Nottingham, and there are a couple in london too that i havnt been too but wouldnt be surprised if they were as good (although slightly more expensive being london?)

bobjewell87
08-30-2005, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by RobbieMac2002

The SelectaDisc in Nottingham is THE store to go to for great music at brilliant prices... they also always seem to have any US released imports or rare EP's or stuff without me needing to ask for them to order it...

oh, and a vinyl section on the top floor that also sells gig tickets...

so um, yea... id say thats probably the best shop for music in Nottingham, and there are a couple in london too that i havnt been too but wouldnt be surprised if they were as good (although slightly more expensive being london?)

thankyou rob, i'll be going to nottingham for uni in september. mint.

Zine = 'we want the www.airwavesback.com. Brilliant ratings system as well. hawr hawrr.

labels = hmm, dunno www.xtramilerecordings.com? no idea.

pumpkins_rule
08-30-2005, 05:46 PM
Well if you live in Ottawa, all the good indie record stores are clumped together downtown. CD Exchange, Record Runner and Vertigo Records are all on the same street.

Essential alt/indie albums

The Pixies - Doolittle
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Elliott Smith - X/O

Oh and the two best canadian indie record labels:

Constellation Records (http://www.cstrecords.com/)

Arts & Crafts (http://www.arts-crafts.ca/)

:cheers:

DorkusMalorkus
08-30-2005, 09:21 PM
I don't know much about this magazine, but I hear good things about it.

Arthur Magazine (http://www.arthurmag.com/news/)

They cover more than just music, they do movies and other stuff, but it is all pretty 'indie' I want to subscribe, or at least get one to try it out.

Logic Smogic
08-31-2005, 12:28 AM
"Velvet Underground & Nico" // Velvet Underground
"Loveless" // My Bloody Valentine
"Surfer Rosa" // Pixies
"Permanent" // Joy Division
"OK Computer" // Radiohead
"Curling Pond Wood" // Greg Davis

for albums

Andrewbiles
08-31-2005, 04:22 AM
Thanks so far. :cheers:
Sorry if I've missed anything, I'll try make it all stand out a bit more as well later.

pixiesfanyo
08-31-2005, 09:00 AM
Husker Du - Zen Arcade

Should be on that essential albums list.

Also you should provide little descriptions of why the albums are essential.

tezhall
08-31-2005, 09:33 AM
shops - www.sisterray.co.uk

Who manage to satisfy my needs for indie rock, rare EP's and techno in one sweeping online store.

Based in London I believe.

:cheers:

ilovelimes
08-31-2005, 08:29 PM
Everyone needs to go out and buy Bloc Party's Silent Alarm.

ilovelimes
08-31-2005, 08:30 PM
Oh, and check out She Wants Revenge, Nine Black Alps, and We Are Scientists. I don't think She Wants Revenge has a website, but you can find one of their videos online.

Cloud013
08-31-2005, 10:23 PM
Distentigration (sp?) by The Cure needs to be there as does
13 Songs - Fugazi
Closer - Joy Division
Turn on the Bright Lights - Interpol (in my opinion, anyways)
Lonesome Crowded West - Modest Mouse
Entertainment - Gang of Four
Remain in the Light - Talking Heads
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - Pavement

LazyGuitar
09-01-2005, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by ilovelimes
Everyone needs to go out and buy Bloc Party's Silent Alarm.

I have an essential fact to put up...

"Lazy would rather stab out his own eyes with a rusty screwdriver than buy Bloc Party's "Silent Alarm" :p:

jallas
09-01-2005, 02:55 PM
Jeff Buckley- Grace :)

daft
09-01-2005, 03:00 PM
Marquee Moon by Television (maybe)


I really need to buy this album...

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
09-01-2005, 03:15 PM
Jeff Buckley - Grace
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Radiohead - OK Computer
The Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Stone Roses - Self Titled


I hope these count as alternative;
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
Nick Drake - Five Leaves left

Andrewbiles
09-01-2005, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by ilovelimes
Oh, and check out She Wants Revenge, Nine Black Alps, and We Are Scientists. I don't think She Wants Revenge has a website, but you can find one of their videos online.

NBA and WAS (not heard of the other one) are decent bands, but not exactly essentials, especially as WAS have only released one single so far (or is it two now?).
Thanks so far guys/gals. Hopefully people agree with the majority of the stuff on the album list, if not, feel free to vent. Chances of bands like Modest Mouse, Bloc Party and Interpol going on the list are low. Sorry :p:

MattDaviesFFAF
09-01-2005, 05:07 PM
Can we add one of Biffy Clyro's albums to the album list?

They fit in alternative.....

Logic Smogic
09-01-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by LazyGuitar
I have an essential fact to put up...

"Lazy would rather stab out his own eyes with a rusty screwdriver than buy Bloc Party's "Silent Alarm" :p:

I second that.

balltounge
09-01-2005, 06:23 PM
Essentials:


Mogwai - Happy songs for happy people
Sigur Ros - ( )
The Shins - Oh inverted world
Tristeza - Dream signals in full circle
M83 - before the dawn heals us




Take a pic out of them, go on...

Andrewbiles
09-01-2005, 07:58 PM
'Oh inverted world' really? Can't say I ever really thought of it as great, but the other choices, thumbs up. Other people really need to help with the approval stuff here. I feel kind of bad when I don't add some of the choices because it looks like I'm just giving my opinion rather than the general board opinion.

Brian, Biffy Clyro? Hmmm, not sure, which were you thinking?

If people have other links and stuff rather than just albums that'd be cool ;)

Something_Vague
09-01-2005, 09:11 PM
At The Drive In - Relationship Of Command (Easiest album to obtain and get into)

Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Either F# or Raise Your Skinny Fists

Hot Hot Heat - Elevator (One of the better bands that put out lately)

Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days

Nuetral Milk Hotel - In An Aeroplane Over The Sea

Pedro The Lion - Achilles Heel

Cursive - The Ugly Organist (It's a "classic")

The Decemberists - Castaways and Cutouts




Atreyu - Suicide Notes and Butterfly Kisses.....:haha :haha


Well there's a few that was missing that should be in anyone self respecting indie kid's collection.

ohdarn323
09-01-2005, 09:12 PM
^ Definitely Cursive and Iron & Wine.

balltounge
09-02-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by andrewbiles
'Oh inverted world' really? Can't say I ever really thought of it as great, but the other choices, thumbs up. ?

If people have other links and stuff rather than just albums that'd be cool ;)


Its probably not there greatest, but i chose for more sentimental reasons,those being "inverted world" was the first Shins album i bought, probably shouldnt of.


But anyway as im posting i might as well put a few more up.

Air - Moon Safari
Dj Shadow - Endtroducing
Mew - Frengers
Mansun - six (so underated!!!)
the album leaf - one day ill be on time


Hope a few make it.


Edit: haha after editing this post 3 times ill add a label...


Bands like Explosions in the sky, Mono & ex-Sonna & Halifax pier

Temporary residence (http://www.temporaryresidence.com/)

thegenerator
09-02-2005, 03:44 AM
I think Interpol's "Turn On The Bright Lights" should be listed even if Closer is also on there. It's a very good album for beginners and appeals to almost any instrumental fan.

MattDaviesFFAF
09-02-2005, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by andrewbiles
Brian, Biffy Clyro? Hmmm, not sure, which were you thinking?

Maybe the new one, their first was sorta grungey and the Vertigo of Bliss was confusing so......

I suppose they're post-hardcore and that'd probably fit moreso in PP/Emo........

Anywho, whatever you think.

Andrewbiles
09-02-2005, 11:55 AM
^ If anyone comes in and agrees I'll shove them up. I only have 'Blackened sky' by them and I rarely listen to it as I'm finding records stressful at the moment, but if someone else agrees with 'Vertigo of bliss' I'll be happy to put it up.

Originally posted by balltounge
Its probably not there greatest, but i chose for more sentimental reasons,those being "inverted world" was the first Shins album i bought, probably shouldnt of.


But anyway as im posting i might as well put a few more up.

Air - Moon Safari
Dj Shadow - Endtroducing
Mew - Frengers
Mansun - six (so underated!!!)
the album leaf - one day ill be on time


Hope a few make it.


Edit: haha after editing this post 3 times ill add a label...


Bands like Explosions in the sky, Mono & ex-Sonna & Halifax pier

Temporary residence (http://www.temporaryresidence.com/)

Sorry, I've put up The Shins one to avoid arguing about the Mew one. Mansun I'll agree with, but 'Six' over 'Attack of the grey lantern'?
Good label as well there.
:cheers:

An_anvil_tree
09-02-2005, 01:02 PM
Sebadoh - III
Guided by Voices - Bee Thousand
Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me

Those three have to be up there. A few other noteworthy ones...

Patti Smith - Horses
Brian Eno - Another Green World
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
Portishead - Dummy
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Richard Hell and the Voidoids - Blank Generation
Big Star - Radio City
REM - Murmur

Other stuff:

Trouser Press (http://www.trouserpress.com/)
Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/)
Julian Cope presents Head Heritage (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/)

*Truly Ninja*
09-02-2005, 04:15 PM
I'd like to nominate:

"The Lonesome Crowded West" by Modest Mouse
"Bee Thousand" by Guided by Voices
"Slanted and Enchanted" by Pavement


Oh and it's not Talking Heads - Remain in the Light,
it's "Remain in Light"

~King_Of_Foolz~
09-03-2005, 04:06 AM
The Dears - No Cities Left .. essential record for one man canadian master puppeteer of soaring indie pop; Murry Lightburn..and/or Broken Social Scene - You Forget It In people... I don't think I need to explain that one..
a halfhearted call for Grandaddy - Sophtware Slump

Andrewbiles
09-04-2005, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by An_anvil_tree
Julian Cope presents Head Heritage (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/)

Thank you! I completely forgot about that site. I found it when Comets on Fire's 'Blue Cathedral' was released (because it was his album of the week at that point) and I completely forgot what the site was called.

"World shut your mouth, shut your mouth, put your head back in the clouds and shut your mouth."

Oh how much I miss that song, got it on vinyl upstairs, going to have to dig that out later.

Just out of interest, how many of those albums has everybody got? I want to see if everyone has all of them. I've got 31 out of the 53 there.

Gurgle!Argh!
09-04-2005, 09:35 AM
haha, i only have about 15 of them, but most of the others are in various positions on my 'to buy' list haha.

balltounge
09-05-2005, 04:21 AM
Motive sounds (http://www.motivesounds.com/)

"an independent label, aiming to promote original, alternative music, and develop a roster of bands/musicians who, with fresh outlooks are making a truly significant contribution. also, by promoting up and coming designers, we aim to establish a network of independent thinkers, whilst creating a dual platform on which cover design and music co-exist, and are intrinsically linked."


Check out the artists, there all very, very good.

fans of constellation like bands will enjoy this.

hah_bumhug
09-05-2005, 04:23 AM
youd probably need modest mouse in there somewhere...maybe this is a long drive for someone with nothing to think about...or the lonesome crowded west

hah_bumhug
09-05-2005, 04:25 AM
hmm...and what about bright eyes?

LazyGuitar
09-05-2005, 06:07 AM
Where's the Kinks? After all our efforts in the alt/indie game, there's no Kinks essentials :p:

Andrewbiles
09-05-2005, 06:35 AM
^ Yeah there is, 'The Village Green Preservation Society' is up there.
And Bright Eyes!? Please.......... If they're going to get put up there some sexual favors will have to be given. (no offense to them, Conor's just the most overrated man in music right now)

utsapp89
09-05-2005, 02:46 PM
Perhaps I should point out that the ! in Godspeed You Black Emporer! has been moved to the end:p: ...wierd bunch, that band, brilliant music though.
I'll agree with 'Lonesome Crowded West', as I don't see that one up yet, and I've seen some suggestions for that one. I'd put a Volta album up (most likely Deloused), but that's only because I'm in a deep love with that band.
Other noteworthies:
Echoes-The Rapture (prolly not an essential, but I think it's teh sex)
The Bends-Radiohead
Odelay- Beck

EDIT: I don't see Surfer Rosa anywhere either, so...suggested.

tommybear
09-05-2005, 03:01 PM
Definately Maybe (oasis), The Bends (radiohead), You Are the Quarry ( morrissey) are all great records, although i see radiohead already have one on the list.

IMMERSE YOUr SOUL IN LOVE

bobjewell87
09-05-2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by MattDaviesFFAF
Maybe the new one, their first was sorta grungey and the Vertigo of Bliss was confusing so......

I suppose they're post-hardcore and that'd probably fit moreso in PP/Emo........

Anywho, whatever you think.

although biffy are my second favourite band I dont think they should be on this list as an 'essential'. oh and VoB and IL are both godlike.

Albums: weezer - blue album?

LiveBackwards
09-05-2005, 07:57 PM
We definatly need Lonesome Crowded West on there.

And Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People. Definetly.

tezhall
09-07-2005, 09:23 AM
Another online store that someone emailed me earlier today;

www.tapintomusic.com

At the moment it's pretty sparse - 2 albums on sale, and online shopping isn't set up yet - but it has a kinda cool feature where you can submit your own stuff to be sold through this site (http://www.tapintomusic.com/apply.php) which is a top top feature imo and worthy of inclusion for that alone!

silicoidous
09-07-2005, 12:25 PM
Stephen Malkmus(and Jicks) - Pig Lib
The Breeders - Last Splash

i actually think stephen malkmus and the jick's stuff is better than pavement, but i dunno about the breeders...theyre about the same as the pixies in my books

dougiecrystals
09-07-2005, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by bobjewell87

Albums: weezer - blue album?

and Pinkerton

hopefully.

frying nemo08
09-07-2005, 08:03 PM
^^^i think that pinkerton should be the only one of theirs up there, i love blue too but i could live without it.

tezhall
09-08-2005, 03:12 AM
Label that got a mention by some DJ when I was flicking through the radio a couple nights ago;

http://www.tiredandlonesome.com/

The track they played was a remix of loads (and I mean loads) of snippets from classic 60's-90's tracks, worked pretty well - I think from looking at the site it was Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Player but I honestly can't remember. Good tho. :)

edit - and from reading the biog of Kid Carpet, he mentions the Slow Graffiti label as well.

http://www.slowgraffiti.com/

balltounge
09-08-2005, 06:21 AM
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs ?


In my opinion not his best, but non the less id include it in my essentials list.

Andrewbiles
09-08-2005, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by balltounge
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs ?


In my opinion not his best, but non the less id include it in my essentials list.

I can't get into that album. I find his stuff a tough listen in general though. The list will be updated soon, can't be bothered right this moment.

balltounge
09-08-2005, 09:07 AM
He doesnt write songs that are easy to approach, i admit that.


But through firstly listening to Rain Dogs then going back to his earlier works, Closing Time, its amazing to see how he's progressed through his own musical skills, starting off Piano Focused (with closing time) and then leading into heavy percusion based albums (Rain Dogs & especially Real Gone) and then on to inventing his own instruments.

It takes a lot of listening to get into him, not a pick up and fall in love artist.

Andrewbiles
09-08-2005, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by balltounge
He doesnt write songs that are easy to approach, i admit that.


But through firstly listening to Rain Dogs then going back to his earlier works, Closing Time, its amazing to see how he's progressed through his own musical skills, starting off Piano Focused (with closing time) and then leading into heavy percusion based albums (Rain Dogs & especially Real Gone) and then on to inventing his own instruments.

It takes a lot of listening to get into him, not a pick up and fall in love artist.

I've just burned my copies of 'Rain dogs' and 'Blue Valentine' onto my computer and decided to give them another chance. Listening to 'Rain Dogs' at the moment and it is slightly growing on me, but it's just really quite odd. Have you ever tried Napoleon XIV - Second Coming (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000033RJ/qid=1126191158/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/202-7384768-1593469)? I discovered that in high school and thought it was mad, now listening to this album again I've realised it's actually quite similar in the ways of its madness.
At some point I think I'll look into the older Tom Waits stuff.

balltounge
09-08-2005, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by andrewbiles
I've just burned my copies of 'Rain dogs' and 'Blue Valentine' onto my computer and decided to give them another chance. Listening to 'Rain Dogs' at the moment and it is slightly growing on me, but it's just really quite odd. Have you ever tried Napoleon XIV - Second Coming (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000033RJ/qid=1126191158/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/202-7384768-1593469)? I discovered that in high school and thought it was mad, now listening to this album again I've realised it's actually quite similar in the ways of its madness.
At some point I think I'll look into the older Tom Waits stuff.

Glad your at least willing to give him a Try, Will probably be pleasantly suprised by his odler works (most of which go very cheap in HMV)

And yes, I have one Napoleon Xiv album but its a lot shorter than the one on that link, a mear 12 tracks of insanity as opposed to 20 odd.

I came across Napoleon in college and have only recentley discovered my "ear" for that type of music.

Very.....different.

Gurgle!Argh!
09-08-2005, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by utsapp89
Perhaps I should point out that the ! in Godspeed You Black Emporer! has been moved to the end:p: ...wierd bunch, that band, brilliant music though.
I'll agree with 'Lonesome Crowded West', as I don't see that one up yet, and I've seen some suggestions for that one. I'd put a Volta album up (most likely Deloused), but that's only because I'm in a deep love with that band.
Other noteworthies:
Echoes-The Rapture (prolly not an essential, but I think it's teh sex)
The Bends-Radiohead
Odelay- Beck

EDIT: I don't see Surfer Rosa anywhere either, so...suggested.

really? i thought it was moved to the middle in about 2003... i know it was at the end when they released skinny fists... i dont think theyve changed it again.....

Something_Vague
09-09-2005, 09:26 PM
The Unicorns - Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone


Jellycones is the epitime of indie-techno/synth, period.

emoISaDEADgenre
09-10-2005, 11:44 AM
Placebo isnt on the list?!

silicoidous
09-10-2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Something_Vague
The Unicorns - Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone




ill second that

IronBeard
09-10-2005, 04:48 PM
That list needs 'The Vertigo of Bliss', by Biffy Clyro. I cannot recommend that album enough. Good call on ( ) by Sigur Ros, though.

MattDaviesFFAF
09-15-2005, 01:29 PM
^Wow, you have good taste in music AND you're from Ireland.................

Je suis impressed..........

Originally posted by bobjewell87
although biffy are my second favourite band I dont think they should be on this list as an 'essential'. oh and VoB and IL are both godlike.

Albums: weezer - blue album?

You're probably right.

IL is absolutely amazing.............. I didn't like VoB as much as the other two but a lot more than most albums.....


dotdotdot

sponj
09-16-2005, 08:20 AM
muse - origin of simmetry?

utsapp89
09-16-2005, 08:25 PM
I picked up a good mag with alot of indie bands in it the other at a bookstore. Tons of good interviews with the artists and whatnot. Called Filter.

DorkusMalorkus
09-18-2005, 04:16 PM
How about the album "Washing Machine" from Sonic Youth. The Diamond Sea alone makes that album worth buying.

a_muse_me
09-18-2005, 08:16 PM
i think that 'the strokes - is this it' should be on that list as i like many of those albums and the strokes is one of my favourites

sential
09-29-2005, 05:07 PM
Geez!!... can' t believe none of you mentioned "Her Majesty" by the Anniversary...That was an amazing album from beginning to end...then they broke up...

ohdarn323
09-29-2005, 09:14 PM
add Sufjan Steven's "Illinois" to that list.

leadpipes
09-30-2005, 08:49 AM
The Libertines - Up The Bracket, best british album of the last 5 years in my opinion, it should go in essentials

leadpipes
09-30-2005, 08:52 AM
i think that 'the strokes - is this it' should be on that list as i like many of those albums and the strokes is one of my favourites

and i second that

wackyblacky
10-04-2005, 04:49 PM
The Libertines - Up The Bracket, best british album of the last 5 years in my opinion, it should go in essentials

absolutely.... superb choice.... The Paddingtons- 50 To A Pound should go on there 2....

onlyonehere
10-04-2005, 05:19 PM
You want some Biffy (Vertigo of Bliss) on that list dude ;) :p:

Otherwise great list. Stick Damien Rice - O on though.

HarmlessLilF*ck
10-05-2005, 06:33 PM
The Paddingtons- 50 To A Pound should go on there 2....
The Paddingtons? Ewwww. I know music is all opinion but... no, just no.
What about The La's first (and only) album or The Replacements - Let It Be? Those two could probably fit into that list.

loopdeloop
10-07-2005, 10:56 PM
My Modest Mouse recommendation would have been "This Is A Long Drive For Someone With Nothing To Think About", but that's probably personal preference.

The White Stripes's self titled was awesome.

The Unicorn's "Who Will Cut Our Hair When We Are Gone".

The Still's "Logic Will Break Our Hearts".

Violent Femme's self titled is a good introduction.

The Yeah Yeah Yeah's "Fever To Tell".

They Might Be Giants' "Dial-A-Song" if you have the cash, the Rhino compilation if you don't.

The Kill's "No Wow".

That's all off the top of my head.

~primrose~
10-09-2005, 02:26 PM
modest mouse- good news for people who love bad news
mars volta- de-loused in the comatorium
mew-frengers

frd_marshll
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
any other bootleg sites

Andrewbiles
10-19-2005, 04:53 PM
^ I don't know any, although I'm really looking for some Jeff Buckley ones right now. I'm thinking of doing my second year project on him and I'm looking for some live stuff (other than the CDs released) to do a presentation with, so if anyone has any good sites for them, or knows how to work those hub things I'd be grateful.
:cheers:

RockNNotToRoll
10-19-2005, 05:39 PM
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

A truely ambitious masterpiece of the 90's, surely deserves a spot.

Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head

Seriously how many awards from the critics did that album win.

The Verve - Urban Hymns

Surely you can't argue with that :)


That'll do.

stratstrummer40
10-20-2005, 06:26 PM
what about a "...trail of dead"? album?

how about source tags and codes by ...trail of dead?

tezhall
10-22-2005, 08:40 PM
Sory to bleat on but I fel a need to nominate Maximo Park - A Certain Trigger

Can't stop listening to that at the moment. Seriously, it's either this or I start giving reasons why Embrace should get involved :p:

fraincs
10-24-2005, 11:41 PM
The Unicorn's "Who Will Cut Our Hair When We Are Gone".

The Still's "Logic Will Break Our Hearts".



i second those :) both amazing bands from montreal (Arcade Fire too by the way)

i'll add Stars - Set yourself on fire from Montreal too

frd_marshll
10-25-2005, 12:11 AM
how about idiot pilot- <strange we should meet here/>
its a great indie album

Gurgle!Argh!
10-25-2005, 11:20 AM
woah woah woah people, we dont want every album ever that isnt awful, just really great ones. i mean, if you were discussing classic pieces of literature, you wouldnt say 'oh, well, i read a great terry pratchett novel the other night' do you? no, cos thatd be silly.

Whats the story
10-25-2005, 03:47 PM
essentials/you must have it

Radiohead - The Bends
Oasis - Be Here Now
Blind Melon - Blind Melon
Happy Mondays - Pills, Thrills n' Bellyaches
Elbow - Asleep in the Back

tezhall
10-25-2005, 04:51 PM
BE HERE NOW?

I like the album a lot, I defend it often and heartily, but it is in no way and "essential indie album"

Controversial yes, accurate, noooooooo.

Top shot with Elbow though, redeemed yourself nicely :) :p:

jallas
10-26-2005, 04:20 AM
Woo tez is back. Sorry, it's just been a while :D

tezhall
10-26-2005, 05:46 AM
hehe I snuck back in through the fire escape when the bouncers weren't watching ;)

CJW
10-28-2005, 05:41 AM
The Goo Goo Dolls - Gutterflower
Absolutely anything by Leonard Cohen is vital, check out The Essential Cohen (2003).

morningdove2
11-01-2005, 09:55 PM
my english teacher played neutral milk hotel in our class today. It was cool. I congratulated him for listening to good music.

Insomniak
11-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Essential Albums:
Relationship of Command by At the Drive-In
The Ugly Organ - Cursive
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco
Fever to Tell - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
...Is a Real Boy - Say Anything
Fashion Nugget - Cake


If you live in the MA area then check out Newbury Comics....there are a few in Boston and one in Amherst. They have a huge selection of indie stuff, its a little far for me but definitely worth a trip if you want to get that certain album you can't find around you.

robbie
11-13-2005, 12:37 PM
Good (i.e. cheap and pretty well stocked) record stores in Newcastle: (obviously HMV and Virgin), downstairs in Windows is very cheap usually (I saw Damien Rice - O and B-Sides for just £10 there), RPM and Steel Wheels.

zombiesss
11-16-2005, 03:22 PM
blonde redhead.
the unicorns.
stars.

sydbarrettsaves
11-21-2005, 02:56 PM
i didn't read all the posts, but the first few listings were like the corporate mtv indie guide which wasn't that great. folks, coldplay should not be classified as indie. i'm sorry if this comes to you as a shock.

i would reccomend...

deerhoof - the runners four
bikini kill - reject all american
casual dots - self titled
free kitten - sentimental education
xiu xiu - fabulous muscles
john wilkes booze - telescopic eyes glance at the future sick
sleater kinney - the hot rock
mirah - you think it's like this but really its like this
the softies - holiday in rhode island
the microphones - the glow pt. 2
thanksgiving - welcome nowhere
the unicorns - emasculate the masculine
elliott smith - division day
john vanderslice - pixel revolt
modest mouse - sad sappy sucker
cat power - myra lee
pavement - slanted and enchanted
mogwai - come on die young
interpol - turn on the bright lights
arab strap - the red thread
helium - magic city
the helio sequence - com plex
wolf parade - apologies to the queen
devandra banhart - rejoicing in the hands
joanna newsom - the milk-eyed mender

you can find these albums at:

www.killrockstars.com
www.kpunk.com
www.marriagerecs.com
http://www.suicidesqueeze.net/
www.barsuk.com
www.smellslikerecords.com
www.matadorrecords.com
www.subpop.com
www.younggodrecords.com
www.dragcity.com

the nice thing is you can buy them directly from the labels and help support the bands to a fuller extent. they also usually send stickers, postcards etc with your orders. and no, i can't help it that most of these are seattle based records companies. we just kick a lot of ass over here.

ps. check out www.kexp.org the local indie station and listen to their playlists. their music selection is a lot more valuable and useful than this sad excuse of an indie forum.

tezhall
11-21-2005, 05:58 PM
It has been too long since I saw anyone mention Cat Power on here. Welcome home ;)

edit - forgot to mention, this is me seconding the cat power album as being definitely essential :)

ps I can't help but notice nobody has yet agreed with my Embrace recommendation....you're all heathens I tell ya ;)

home sick alien
11-23-2005, 12:07 PM
f'ing sweet indieish clothing www.phixclothing.com

even though everyone will get the same jackets as me and i wont look unique any more (shock horror.) check it out!

zombiesss
11-23-2005, 01:46 PM
It has been too long since I saw anyone mention Cat Power on here. Welcome home ;)


i LOVE cat power. she is amazing :heart:

sydbarrettsaves
11-24-2005, 02:13 PM
she is chan marshall. not the band. anyways shes coming out with a new album in january which im looking forward to. "the greatest"

tezhall
11-24-2005, 07:24 PM
Good plug - I'll have eyes peeled :cheers:

chris4
12-10-2005, 05:10 PM
These should be added:
Blind Melon-Blind Melon
The Killers-Hot Fuss

sydbarrettsaves
12-14-2005, 03:32 AM
actually they shouldn't

i_strum_i_drum
12-19-2005, 06:17 PM
cat power's You Are Free is my suggestion

Andrewbiles
12-19-2005, 06:37 PM
^ She's done a load of good albums, most notably 'Moon pix'.
I'll update the list at some point this week, just haven't had the time to do much lately.

JC 2K3
12-23-2005, 07:29 AM
Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets 2
Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun

Iluvpowerchords
01-02-2006, 03:08 PM
Ween- God Ween Satan and/or Pure Guava

canvasOBSCURE
01-06-2006, 11:15 PM
Should add Kill Rock Stars Under The Labels

Q and Not U's power is a great cd, dunno if its worthy of being essential however.
The One AM Radio's 'a clouds fear of kites'
Death Cab For Cutie's 'w have the facts and were voting yes'
The Good Life 'blackout'
Cursive 'the ugly organ'
The Dears 'no cities left'
Les Savy Fav 'inches' or '3/5'
Feist 'let it die'
Since Godspeed You! Black Emperor is up there it wouldnt be fair to not include one of the Explostions In the Sky albums.
trail of dead needs to be there as said before
and theres no Yo La Tengo :(

Andrewbiles
01-07-2006, 07:45 AM
Kill Rock Stars does distribution for the good stuff.....

The One AM Radio - released by Garbage Czar
DCFC - released by Barsuk
Cursive & the Good Life - released by Saddle Creek
Les Savy Fav - released by French Kiss
Feist - I think was released by Universal

Their actual label stuff includes crap like OOIOO and Har Mar Superstar. The only good stuff that I can think of that they've released is some Deerhoof and The Decemberists, although the Decemberists albums they've released have been with other labels co-releasing them and from what I've understood in the past, it's labels like Hush and Jealous Butcher that've had the better end of the deal.
However, KRS do seem to be releasing a Tarkio (Colin Meloy's old project) compilation (like Jade Tree did for Cap'n Jazz) this month which will be great stuff.

canvasOBSCURE
01-07-2006, 02:57 PM
Kill Rock Stars does distribution for the good stuff.....

The One AM Radio - released by Garbage Czar
DCFC - released by Barsuk
Cursive & the Good Life - released by Saddle Creek
Les Savy Fav - released by French Kiss
Feist - I think was released by Universal

Their actual label stuff includes crap like OOIOO and Har Mar Superstar. The only good stuff that I can think of that they've released is some Deerhoof and The Decemberists, although the Decemberists albums they've released have been with other labels co-releasing them and from what I've understood in the past, it's labels like Hush and Jealous Butcher that've had the better end of the deal.
However, KRS do seem to be releasing a Tarkio (Colin Meloy's old project) compilation (like Jade Tree did for Cap'n Jazz) this month which will be great stuff.

I know what label's released what, and i wouldnt say the actual label stuff is that bad, Built To Spill and Pavement have been on there.

ellellelle
01-10-2006, 08:55 AM
pink floyd- dark side of the moon
not the most alternative but it probably wouldn't find itself anywhere else, and it definitely deserves to be there

also elbow- cast of thousands although no one would really see it as an essential, it's not well-known/old enough yet.. but still, everyone should buy it :)

Andrewbiles
01-10-2006, 09:33 AM
I know what label's released what, and i wouldnt say the actual label stuff is that bad, Built To Spill and Pavement have been on there.

Oh, I thought you were trying to say that those albums were released by Kill Rock Stars.

tezhall
01-10-2006, 08:04 PM
still no embrace album in the list :sad: it's a conspiracy I tells ya ;)

Andrewbiles
01-11-2006, 03:33 AM
Haven't managed to update it in a long time Tez, been the last thing on my mind at the moment.
:cheers:

lessthanthree
01-11-2006, 05:54 AM
Should maybe add Jade Tree / Crank / Caulfield / Deep Elm to the labels if you manage to get a spare moment :)

tezhall
01-11-2006, 01:51 PM
Haven't managed to update it in a long time Tez, been the last thing on my mind at the moment.
:cheers:

...and when it is, Embrace are the last thing on the list lol ;)

Mr_W
01-13-2006, 01:45 AM
You must get Wolfmother's self-titled album. Psychedelic White Stripes meets Led Zeppelin bashed over the head with garage rock.

tossup
01-14-2006, 07:57 PM
this is very very nice. but im not sure if anyone has mentioned nick drake-pink moon. that's a great album right there.

MattDaviesFFAF
01-14-2006, 08:21 PM
Well, Five Leaves Left is up there and that's his best (general opinion says so)

So I don't suppose there's much point in having any of his other stuff up there

oriolesazb
01-17-2006, 03:29 PM
Carbon leaf= indian summer

balltounge
01-19-2006, 10:07 AM
I cant remember if 'Low Level Owl Volumes 1 and 2' by The Appleseed Cast has been mentioned.

I think there pretty Essential.

peanut head
01-30-2006, 06:17 PM
I am so glad to see Beck recognized FINALY! most people say, "I like beck" while the only song they heard from him was loser (which is a good song dont get me wrong).
Also the kinks, YES! so many peple are derived from the kinks but just dont know it.

IThinkNot
01-30-2006, 10:43 PM
I vote to add Slanted and Enchanted along with Crooked Rain for Pavement. I Think theyre about equal in how essential they are. Sort of the two different sides to Pavement: the more noisy, and less noisy.


Also, Vs. by Mission of Burma deserves to be there.

DorkusMalorkus
01-31-2006, 12:12 AM
I think Siemese Dream for SP need to be up there. I think it is better than Mellon Collie.

tezhall
02-05-2006, 09:06 PM
New shop reco - www.selectadisc.co.uk

Quite a good record shop in Nottingham which has recently gone online also - a rare stockist of the Beach Boys / Kanye West mix-album "West Sounds" :)

emoISaDEADgenre
02-11-2006, 10:33 PM
did i miss The Decemberists or are they really not there?!

welton
02-12-2006, 03:56 AM
Yes, Mission of Burma should be on the list.

pumpkins_rule
02-12-2006, 10:08 AM
If Slint is on there, then we should add Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden.

welton
02-18-2006, 12:35 AM
Polvo - Exploded Drawing should also be up there.

MattDaviesFFAF
02-18-2006, 08:31 AM
Does anyone think we should have Elliott Smith's Either/Or there instead of XO?


I think it's just a better album.... it sorta captures him more for people who are going to start listening to him.

Knife2aGunFight
02-18-2006, 10:13 AM
Please put mewithouYou - Catch For Us The Foxes on the list, I love them much, everyone should, I mean if Arcade Fire....And Cursive's The Ugly Organ too.

Raginscotsman
02-21-2006, 01:34 AM
Add these to the albums list..

Babyshambles - Down In Albion
The Cribs - The Cribs
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand

Andrewbiles
02-26-2006, 02:45 PM
I've added a few more little bits and pieces in there finally. If you disapprove of anything or think something definately has to be added, comment and decisions will be made (hopefully a few will agree/disagree).

MattDaviesFFAF
02-26-2006, 03:03 PM
Oh, I have a suggestion;


Cat Stevens- Tea For The Tillerman.


Classic album, probably fit under indie

pumpkins_rule
02-27-2006, 07:13 PM
Add Explosions in the sky - The Earth is not a cold, dead place.

Mя. Gяiєvєş
03-02-2006, 02:17 AM
modest mouse - the fruit that ate itself ep

IronBeard
03-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I know how trivial it is to just suggest random albums (there does seem to be a sufficient list there); But something by The Microphones surely deserves a place? Something named 'The Glow Pt. 2', preferably...

;)

Edit: The system works!

jallas
03-02-2006, 01:29 PM
Does anyone think we should have Elliott Smith's Either/Or there instead of XO?


I think it's just a better album.... it sorta captures him more for people who are going to start listening to him.
Nah IMO, XO is easier to get into than Either/Or. XO was my first Smith album, and I just think it's a lot more accessible to a new fan really. Obviously it's not my word, but just IMO.

pumpkins_rule
03-02-2006, 09:09 PM
Nah IMO, XO is easier to get into than Either/Or. XO was my first Smith album, and I just think it's a lot more accessible to a new fan really. Obviously it's not my word, but just IMO.

Plus it's quite a bit more varied. It also sounds so much bigger, which is not nessecarily a good thing, but it appeals to me more.

tezhall
03-03-2006, 06:10 PM
I've added a few more little bits and pieces in there finally. If you disapprove of anything or think something definately has to be added, comment and decisions will be made (hopefully a few will agree/disagree).

I disagree....you still haven't put Embrace - The Good Will Out in there :(

Anyone would think they weren't actually that good ;)

Andrewbiles
03-03-2006, 07:18 PM
There you go then Tez ;)
I think there should be some sort of voting system for when albums are suggested as to whether they should get put up or not.

pumpkins_rule
03-05-2006, 02:53 PM
If anyone was interested, I could create a gmail account available to everyone where some of the reccomendations could be downloaded from.

DorkusMalorkus
03-05-2006, 03:14 PM
What do you mean? Like create a public account?

We could have people send in a song or two, with the band as the subject, and the songs attached. That'd be pretty cool.

pumpkins_rule
03-05-2006, 03:42 PM
What do you mean? Like create a public account?

We could have people send in a song or two, with the band as the subject, and the songs attached. That'd be pretty cool.

Yep, you got it.

DorkusMalorkus
03-06-2006, 07:13 PM
I say go for it.

Andrewbiles
03-07-2006, 08:18 AM
It's been done already but no one signed up for it.

tezhall
03-07-2006, 01:21 PM
Well 3 of us did ;)

edit - oh aye, thanks for formally recognising the genius of McNamara as well :D :cheers:

DorkusMalorkus
03-07-2006, 05:42 PM
It's been done already but no one signed up for it.
Shmeh? When was this? I didn't even know about it, and that might have been a reason why it didn't work out: no one knew about it.

I saw we try again.

starsnostars
03-13-2006, 03:51 AM
i still have no clue why the magnetic fields '69 love songs' is not on here

tezhall
03-13-2006, 03:24 PM
Shmeh? When was this? I didn't even know about it, and that might have been a reason why it didn't work out: no one knew about it.

I saw we try again.

I just checked, it's still there but nothing new in it for a while, I guess we could just give out the passwords to the old one and resurrect it and stuff.

Will go put something in now I think :)

Andrewbiles
03-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Yeah, PM Tez, Miranda or myself for the username/password.

pumpkins_rule
03-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Most would agree that Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People is a certified classic.

Monkeygone2hvn
03-17-2006, 08:18 PM
at the drive in- in casino out/vaya
belle and sebastion- if your feeling sinister
bloc party-silent alarm (this cd is amazing if u put arcade fire on here u should put these guys too)
bright eyes- letting off the happiness
cat power- you are free
the cure- disentigration
desaparicidos-read music speak spanish
the flaming lips- the soft bulletin/yoshimi battles the pink robots
sonic youth-daydream nation
sunny day real estate-diary
tom waits- bone machine
travis- the invisible band

fondukfun
03-25-2006, 11:00 AM
Most would agree that Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People is a certified classic.
I certainly would. Also check out their self-titled if you're into stuff like that as well as Stars "Light Yourself on Fire", Metric's "Old World Underground, Where Are You Now?" or "Live it Out" and any other members of BSS's other bands. They're all great on their own, too.

TheMinors009
03-29-2006, 10:29 PM
would you count the back street boys as alternative rock, because i think they have a great alternative sound.

MattDaviesFFAF
03-30-2006, 11:44 AM
^:haha


Worst attempt at causing a stir ever.


Obviously someone didn't get IP banned

Mr. Grunge
04-03-2006, 06:13 PM
I totally agree with all the albums posted by andrewbiles . Of those my favorites are:

Beck - Odelay
The Pixies - Doolittle and/or Surfer Rosa
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation

I'd suggest getting those. Ones that wern't listed that I feel should be are:

Foo Fighters - S/T and/or Color and the Shape
White Stripes - White Blood Cells
Yeah yeah yeahs - Fever to tell

Evan_lesPaul
04-05-2006, 08:08 PM
you should add saddle creek to record labels

utsapp89
04-06-2006, 11:32 PM
Something by Supergrass, I think. Whether it be In it for the Money or I Should Coco. My vote is for ISC.

starsnostars
04-07-2006, 04:42 AM
you should add saddle creek to record labels
looking at the ones that are up now, i can't think of one good reason why

noops
04-13-2006, 08:31 AM
xiu xiu - a promise
animal collective - feels
cat power - moon pix
rocky votolato - suicide medicine
red sparowes - at the soundless dawn


they seem essential to me. heh. but i'm not sure about you cats..

pommegrenade
04-15-2006, 01:28 AM
u um fogot travis as he said

MattDaviesFFAF
04-15-2006, 07:17 AM
How about adding an Azure Ray and a Ryan Adams album on there?

kermitclein
04-17-2006, 08:45 PM
cmon u indies out there... im looking to download some indie stuf thts a little more retro, something tht sounds a bit more like the beatles or the smiths... theres gotta be a modern band out there with these credentials

i dont care if its a little band playing the clubs down ur street, just someone gimme a clue

thnx.

galapogo
04-25-2006, 02:42 PM
Explosions in the Sky- How strange Innocence
The Unicorns- Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone

tezhall
04-25-2006, 03:27 PM
cmon u indies out there... im looking to download some indie stuf thts a little more retro, something tht sounds a bit more like the beatles or the smiths... theres gotta be a modern band out there with these credentials

i dont care if its a little band playing the clubs down ur street, just someone gimme a clue

thnx.

Jet or Ocean Colour Scene

matmanlives
04-26-2006, 12:07 PM
Im new to this so please bear with me on any stupid mistakes, but you seem to be a few albums short in your essential list. such as;

The Zutons - The Zutons
The Coral - The Coral
Muse - Absolution
Babyshambles - Albion
The Arctic Monkeys - Whatever You Say I Am, Thats What I'm Not
and last but certainly not least
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses/The Complete

You may not agree with some of these choices, but there good albums none the less, and my tip for the future from me to you would be,
Dirty Pretty Things thats Carl Barats (the drug free half of the Libertines) new band, and my mates band,
The Casino's which you can find on myspace, from Manchester, England they are a bit like the clash's and the Buzzcock's illegitimate lovechild. good stuff.

Cheerio then. :D

Andrewbiles
04-26-2006, 01:25 PM
Sorry, but as long as I'm a mod in here 'Absolution' and 'Whatever you say I am...' will never make it onto the list.
The Stone Roses self titled album is already on the list, the others I really wouldn't call essential.

MattDaviesFFAF
04-30-2006, 09:07 AM
Any Chance of getting the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds on the list or are they too much like pop?

tezhall
04-30-2006, 09:21 AM
If not then how about West Sounds (the remix of Pet Sounds with Kanye West's College Dropout?) :)

starsnostars
04-30-2006, 08:56 PM
Sorry, but as long as I'm a mod in here 'Absolution' and 'Whatever you say I am...' will never make it onto the list.

and we all thank you for that

though, for the second or third time, i still have no clue why the magnetic fields 69 love songs isn't on the list?

Andrewbiles
05-01-2006, 07:45 AM
Although that Kanye West/Beach Boys album sounds interesting, I still don't understand whats so good about KW's music, it's all samples with one amusing lyric line every three songs.
'Pet sounds', although in my opinion, is a slightly over-rated album, I'm surprised its not on the list already....

'69 love songs' has been added to shut you up about it :p: Not their biggest fan either, but I haven't heard that album (well, three).

starsnostars
05-03-2006, 02:49 AM
awesome, and i only had to beat it to death :)

check out vol. 1 of it, sure to get you hooked.

nearvana
05-07-2006, 12:19 AM
Although that Kanye West/Beach Boys album sounds interesting, I still don't understand whats so good about KW's music, it's all samples with one amusing lyric line every three songs.
'Pet sounds', although in my opinion, is a slightly over-rated album, I'm surprised its not on the list already....

'69 love songs' has been added to shut you up about it :p: Not their biggest fan either, but I haven't heard that album (well, three).
Kanye West's music isn't alternative and is mainstream garbage. :)

tezhall
05-07-2006, 09:24 AM
Well it's pretty far from being garbage :) but I agree it is mainstream. Unless it's mixed with The Beach Boys and has Brian Wilson wailing in the background of "Jesus Walks" which I think you'll agree is a slightly alternative take on the track ;)

pumpkins_rule
05-07-2006, 12:46 PM
I think Public Enemy should hook up with some Broken Social Scene tracks. I can almost hear Chcuk D rapping over KC Accidental.

cnut
05-09-2006, 03:48 AM
Here's a few suggestions:

The Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
Franz Ferdinand - S/T
Siouxsie & The Banshees - Juju or A Kiss In The Dream House
Kings Of Leon - A Ha Shake Heartbreak
Dirty Pretty Thins - Waterloo To Anywhere

I also recommend Yeti, the band formed by the ex-Libertines bassist John Hassall. They dont have an album yet, but the demos are excellent.

Gaz_m2k5
05-14-2006, 10:06 AM
Feeder - The Singles

JC 2K3
05-14-2006, 11:39 AM
Please add
Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets 2 and/or
Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun

tossup
05-15-2006, 04:57 PM
might i reccomend:

MTV Unplugged in New York--Nirvana
Lincoln--They Might Be Giants
Quebec--Ween
Complete Discography--Minor Threat

ando3300
06-01-2006, 10:50 PM
Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets II

RossDev
06-16-2006, 05:57 PM
Might i back up the request for the manic street preschers - the holy bible
classic album
and many people here know of The Appleseed Cast?
If so... Low Level Owl Vol. One needs to be on the list!

Cadd99
06-16-2006, 07:50 PM
Essential album:
We Are Scientists - With Love And Squalor

Why? Very original and fun indie rock with a classic rock spin to it.
Think Blur + Beatles(ish).

MattDaviesFFAF
06-19-2006, 07:52 AM
The Bootleg Freakin link doesn't work anymore (though I probably milked it for all it's worth already)...

And I was wondering, could we put essential live bootlegs up there?


Because Elliott Smith's 4/17/98, Black Cat, Washington D.C. show is essential for his fans and Radiohead's 1997 Glastonbury show.

Just nice starts for live shows, y'know.

Caustic
06-20-2006, 07:18 PM
May I bring it to the attention of the threadstarter that "The Pixies" should just be "Pixies", re: Essential Albums listing for their Doolittle/Surfer Rosa album.

sirpsycho85
06-27-2006, 01:38 AM
the lack of a white stripes album kinda sticks out at me, unless i missed some discussion months ago.

pocallaghan2002
06-29-2006, 01:13 AM
New Pornographers not getting too much love here. Electric Version and Twin Cinemas are awesome albums. BUY THEM

j0nmcc
07-11-2006, 06:05 PM
Note to andrew: do you think this thread could do with a good old clean?

Andrewbiles
07-11-2006, 07:24 PM
You're bored aren't you Jon?

j0nmcc
07-11-2006, 07:36 PM
...

maybe? :)

Andrewbiles
07-11-2006, 07:53 PM
If you want to clean it feel free, but I quite like keeping other people's suggestions in the thread... :(

j0nmcc
07-11-2006, 08:01 PM
ill leave it then, i just thought it was getting crowded. maybe edit it all into one SUPER post.

ahhaa

naw, ill leave it.

:D

Knife2aGunFight
07-11-2006, 09:16 PM
Put one of the Cursive albums on the list I'd say, the most Indie would of course be The Ugly Organ. And they'll never make another one like it.

The Good Life - Novena On A Nocturn.

Put mewithoutYou - Catch For Us The Foxes on there and when their new album comes out, you'll take CFUTF off and put Brother, Sister up, or just have both. Baby steps you know?

American Football?

Murder By Death - Who Will Survive and what will Become of Them

Death From Above 1979 - You are a woman, I'm a machine( though they have only put one album out.)

and if De-Loused isn't on there it should be.

These are all esential especailly if you're going to have that awful Arcade Fire on there, who have put out HOW many albums? how do you know their next won't top it? Why don't you just put stinkin Bloc Party up there

proably something by Placebo belongs here
and don't you think Pinkerton is more up your guy's alley?

penny-strike
07-14-2006, 06:32 AM
Franz Ferdinand ? !

IronBeard
07-14-2006, 09:16 AM
These are all esential especailly if you're going to have that awful Arcade Fire on there, who have put out HOW many albums? how do you know their next won't top it? Why don't you just put stinkin Bloc Party up there
The fact that they could potentially better their debut doesn't mean that it isn't a great album (although in my opinion, the s/t EP is far better). I'm assuming Bloc Party aren't up there because they're crap.

Andrewbiles
07-14-2006, 10:32 AM
Death From Above 1979 - You are a woman, I'm a machine( though they have only put one album out.)

These are all esential especailly if you're going to have that awful Arcade Fire on there, who have put out HOW many albums?

:rolleyes:

How can you say that the Arcade Fire album is awful when you've asked for 'The ugly organ', 'De-loused in the comatorium' mewithoutyou to be put up there? 'Funeral' was at least amazing in comparison.

sponj
07-14-2006, 01:19 PM
Put some Yo La Tengo in there, they're definitivelly essencial and influential... Maybe Painful or I can hear the heart beating as one?

bobjewell87
07-14-2006, 02:18 PM
:rolleyes:

How can you say that the Arcade Fire album is awful when you've asked for 'The ugly organ', 'De-loused in the comatorium' mewithoutyou to be put up there? 'Funeral' was at least amazing in comparison.

to be honest andrew the concept of any album being essential is just a bit silly really.

Knife2aGunFight
07-14-2006, 07:12 PM
The idea that Arcade Fire's debut album is better than anything that Cursive, mewithoutYou, or The Mars Volta have done is absolutely sickening, and completely perposterous. It's absurd. Aaron Weiss, Tim Kasher and Cedric Bixler are some of the best writers of recent music, if not the history of alternative music. To not have anything by them up there is a crime and a half.

I don't know how you can argue that they DON'T belong on there other than based on your own opinion. Just because I attacked the Arcade Fire certainly doesn't mean these bands don't belong on there. I don't like the Arcade Fire that's all but seriousl here andrew, if you have the Arcade Fire up there and not these three bands I suggested I will have lost all respect for you and your musical opinion.

Please just go ahead and argue how these albums DON'T belong on the list, because I assure you can't they are all masterpieces in their own way. And everything I suggested were better than excellent albums except maybe for DFA1979, but they want me want to dance so I suggested that.

Catch For Us The Foxes
The Ugly Organ
De-Loused In The Comatorium

if they don't make it, this list is garbage, even if it does have Jeff Buckly on it.

sponj
07-14-2006, 07:27 PM
dude the only album I agree with is De-Loused In The Comatorium. Arcade Fire's album was ****ing brilliant even if you don't like it.

Knife2aGunFight
07-14-2006, 07:36 PM
These are all really opinions, this is a sort of silly idea, but seriously, I think more than a few other members to this board would agree, mewithoutYou and Cursive are two of the greatest bands putting albums out this year and that are around in the scene. They need a place on teh album. They are both brilliant.

Andrewbiles
07-15-2006, 08:26 AM
if you have the Arcade Fire up there and not these three bands I suggested I will have lost all respect for you and your musical opinion.

Maybe the difference between yourself and myself is that I don't really care what others think about my music taste, I like what I like and if people don't enjoy it, fair enough. They don't have to listen to it.

There was respect for Cedric and Tim, but really not for those albums. As you have an agreer on 'De-loused...' then I'll add it, but mywithoutyou? And 'the ugly organ' is just plain over-rated.

Knife2aGunFight
07-15-2006, 11:52 AM
sorry about the musical opinion, thing, I really don't care, but I just want these albums up there.

mewithoutYou- Have you even listened to their albums extensivly? Seriously, some of the best writing ever, In what way don't they belong on this list, I could do nothing but read the lyrics and tell they belong on the list. Although I might actually say A to B Life was more cohesive. Excellent albums both of them

The Ugly Organ - Is a really great album, I don't know how you think it is overrated other than your own opinion, I mean I can say the Arcade Fire are FAR more overrated judging from the past few posts alone. Sure some of Cursives other albums might tickle your fancy more, based on your feeling to want to be elitist, but Cursive did some amazing things with that cello, the lyrics are amazing, just the overall impression. Hell I'd say Such Blinding Stars is better than half of those albums, but it isn't really indie is it? TUO just fits the genre best. Cursive will never make another album like it, Happy Hollow is completely different.

To say that neither of thse albums were respected by anyone is completely and utterly insane. Or are you just trying to say that YOU don't respect them. I suppose I need someone to agree with me anyway, but seriously stop keeping albums as excellent as these off the list just because you don't like them or you think they're overated, it's incredibly pompous.

Also Murder By Death - Who Will Survive and What Will Become of Them. amazing album.

pumpkins_rule
07-15-2006, 01:44 PM
The idea that Arcade Fire's debut album is better than anything that Cursive, mewithoutYou, or The Mars Volta have done is absolutely sickening, and completely perposterous. It's absurd. Aaron Weiss, Tim Kasher and Cedric Bixler are some of the best writers of recent music, if not the history of alternative music. To not have anything by them up there is a crime and a half.



That's why we don't take you seriously. You obviously don't know anything about Alternative music. I personaly like Cursive and The Mars Volta, but to say that they're two of the best bands in the history of alternative music is just blasphemous. Learn your history before making such silly claims.

Knife2aGunFight
07-15-2006, 06:02 PM
Point me to a band that has better lyrics than Aaron Weiss' of mewithoutYou and I'll give you $5 and give up, because you will have done ME the favor. I was exagerating quite a bit there but they are some of the best bands in this scene right now, they should be on there.

China Groove
07-15-2006, 06:44 PM
Point me to a band that has better lyrics than Aaron Weiss' of mewithoutYou and I'll give you $5 and give up, because you will have done ME the favor.
so uh, is that offer good for anybody? cause im down for making $5..

Knife2aGunFight
07-15-2006, 07:22 PM
yup go ahead.

Andrewbiles
07-15-2006, 10:57 PM
Well, as you seem to like lyrics that are stories, then Nick Cave blows Aaron Weiss way out of the water and he's been chucking them out for roughly 30 years now.

Done & dusted in a thought that took about three seconds.

Sure some of Cursives other albums might tickle your fancy more, based on your feeling to want to be elitist

:haha I really don't know what to say to that...

To say that neither of thse albums were respected by anyone is completely and utterly insane. Or are you just trying to say that YOU don't respect them. I suppose I need someone to agree with me anyway, but seriously stop keeping albums as excellent as these off the list just because you don't like them or you think they're overated, it's incredibly pompous.

Yeah, sorry, that was a mistake on my part, I did mean to say, "I did respect Cedric and Tim...".
Its not insane, its complete sanity. Delve a little deeper into alternative music and you'll change your mind eventually.

YAY_FOR_PIE
07-15-2006, 11:52 PM
The Unicorns- Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone?

oli.hendon
07-16-2006, 01:59 PM
dude you've done a pretty gud job of that list but you are are missin a lot of essentials, for a start where are:

muse
we are scientists
the automatic
the cribs
paddingtons
maximo park
the kooks

i would of thought they were obvious

ando3300
07-16-2006, 05:18 PM
It's spelled "good", in case you didn't know.

Allow for me to gripe a little bit...

These should be added -

The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets II
Pearl Jam - No Code
Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right To Children
Björk ? Homogenic
The Jesus Lizard - Goat
Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album and/or Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Beastie Boys - Liscensed to Ill

Some changes...

The Moon & Antarctica is superior to Lonesome Crowded West for Modest Mouse.
Mezzanine should replace Blue Lines for Massive Attack.
Either/Or should replace XO for Elliott Smith.
For Pavement it should be --- Slanted & Enchanted and/or Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain

And for god's sake..if you're going to consider The Beatles and The Kinks alternative..how about listing some of the real alternative artists of their time?

David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust and/or Low
Brian Eno - Another Green World
U2 - The Joshua Tree
Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True

And for the love of god, please take Scott Walker's TILT off of this list. Do everyone a favor. I would surely hate for some poor, young, innocent soul to buy that album and contemplate suicide because of its grotesqueness. Pitchfork was just trying to strut their stuff in saying that album was good. OMG. Spare yourselves, people.

tezhall
07-16-2006, 07:28 PM
These are all really opinions, this is a sort of silly idea, but seriously, I think more than a few other members to this board would agree, mewithoutYou and Cursive are two of the greatest bands putting albums out this year and that are around in the scene. They need a place on teh album. They are both brilliant.

Nope, not feeling that at all.

edit p.s. Andrew, in the recent A/I awards, as I recall 3 bands were voted the best alternative band...

Biffy Clyro (represented in the list)
Sonic Youth (represented in the list)

But where's the love for Can I Get Away With Pulp?

I'm sure there'll be someone who'll agree they deserve a spot :haha :haha

Knife2aGunFight
07-16-2006, 08:03 PM
Where might I actually hear some of this Nick Cave's music? I do know however he was featured on the Shrek 2 soundtrack lol :rolleyes:
and also couldn't manage to make it on to your list of lists.
Maybe I shold put it this way, name a band on the list that has better lyrics than mewithoutYou, because I'll admit I haven't heard all of those bands.

Why is it again that mewithoutYou and Cursive don't belong on the list? Is it because they don't fit the genre because I'd be fine with that, but seeing how they do fit, I find them essential. Those are two really good albums IMO. I haven't seen an argument stating how they aren't.

Andrewbiles
07-17-2006, 05:32 AM
Knife2aGunFight, please stop being so absolutely pathetic. So what Nick Cave featured on the Shrek soundtrack, so did Tom Waits, so did David Bowie, what the **** does it matter? Having not even heard of him says something about the knowledge you hold on alternative music, so making statements like, "Aaron Weiss, Tim Kasher and Cedric Bixler are some of the best writers of recent music, if not the history of alternative music" really is ridiculous. I don't know why I haven't put an album of his on the list, good point...
I seem to remember putting some Leonard Cohen and The Decemberists on that list at one point - hopefully they're still on there, haven't checked - and if you say Aaron Weiss is better than them then I'm just going to completely stop typing.

Pitchfork was just trying to strut their stuff in saying that album was good.

:confused: Didn't even know they'd ever mentioned it...

edit p.s. Andrew, in the recent A/I awards, as I recall 3 bands were voted the best alternative band...

Biffy Clyro (represented in the list)
Sonic Youth (represented in the list)

But where's the love for Can I Get Away With Pulp?

I'm sure there'll be someone who'll agree they deserve a spot :haha :haha

Where's the music though Tez? :(

jallas
07-17-2006, 06:40 AM
Some changes...

The Moon & Antarctica is superior to Lonesome Crowded West for Modest Mouse.
opinion? IMO, TLCW is far superior. see what i mean? there's no winning.

Either/Or should replace XO for Elliott Smith.
this has alreayd been discussed i believe, on the alst page or something. and it was overruled. yes either/or is a really cracking album. so is XO, and XO is that bit more accessible for newcomes to Smith. don't ask me why i do not know. but it is. and as i said, it's been discussed.


And for god's sake..if you're going to consider The Beatles and The Kinks alternative..how about listing some of the real alternative artists of their time?
no need to be an ass about it.

And for the love of god, please take Scott Walker's TILT off of this list. Do everyone a favor. I would surely hate for some poor, young, innocent soul to buy that album and contemplate suicide because of its grotesqueness. Pitchfork was just trying to strut their stuff in saying that album was good. OMG. Spare yourselves, people.
oh, too late.


I'm sure there'll be someone who'll agree they deserve a spot :haha :haha
:D

j0nmcc
07-17-2006, 11:01 AM
yeah, no disrespect...but i have no place for elitists.

calm it down, yeah?

Andrewbiles
07-17-2006, 12:43 PM
oh, too late.

Scott Walker is a bit of a risk to buy without hearing, but his music really isn't as bad as that person made out.

Oh, and after I read that comment I went onto pitchfork to seek out a review of 'Tilt' and there wasn't one, so I really have no idea what they're on about with that comment...

tezhall
07-17-2006, 01:34 PM
Where's the music though Tez? :(

Well, soon as my Presonus Inspire comes, I'll let ya know ;) :p:

Knife2aGunFight
07-17-2006, 06:16 PM
Andrew I was actually was interested in hearing some of Nick Cave's music, it's just when I looked him up Shek 2 came up and I found that funny, Lighten up a bit. But seriously it's not as though he has a myspace or purevolume so it's not like I can just hear his stuff.

I find Aaron Weiss to be an amazing writer, I might not have the most in depth knowledge of Alternative, but I think I know a good writer when I read it and hear it. Would you argue that he isn't a good writer. I'm not trying to sound pathetic but you seem to be kind of stubborn in your resolve to not explain to me why they don't belong on the list. I just want answers.

I'm not saying I know much about Alternative Music, I am sincere when I ask for suggestions, and I really like Cursive and mewithoutYou so naturally I would consider them essential. I remember not liking the Decemberists on a side note, they're political correct?, that would probably explain it. Maybe I'll give them another try.

EDIT
Do you even have any Saddle Creek Bands on that list? It's an essential label with no essential bands?

jallas
07-18-2006, 09:11 AM
^that's a fair point, Saddle Creek the label is up there, but mebbe some Bright Eyes or something should be on the list?

(I personally do not endorse all of the 'essential albums', some are added due to horrible taste :p: )
haha is that at tez's embrace listing? :p:

Andrewbiles
07-18-2006, 10:45 AM
^ I think I put that up before Tez kept going on about Embrace, can't remember what it was for anymore, probably Pavement or something.

As for the label thing, there's a few labels up there without albums represented. Saddle Creek were put up there because it was requested and I thought it'd make people not request albums by the bands to go up there.....

Andrew I was actually was interested in hearing some of Nick Cave's music, it's just when I looked him up Shek 2 came up and I found that funny, Lighten up a bit. But seriously it's not as though he has a myspace or purevolume so it's not like I can just hear his stuff.

I find Aaron Weiss to be an amazing writer, I might not have the most in depth knowledge of Alternative, but I think I know a good writer when I read it and hear it. Would you argue that he isn't a good writer. I'm not trying to sound pathetic but you seem to be kind of stubborn in your resolve to not explain to me why they don't belong on the list. I just want answers.

I'm not saying I know much about Alternative Music, I am sincere when I ask for suggestions, and I really like Cursive and mewithoutYou so naturally I would consider them essential. I remember not liking the Decemberists on a side note, they're political correct?, that would probably explain it. Maybe I'll give them another try.

I did a quick search of myspace and Nick Cave is up there four times... Maybe none of them are official (I've seen a couple of other bands with tribute ones up so I assume there's mad people on there creating them for every band), but there definately is some music up there. Plus, you've constantly said that you download leaks, so I assume you'd have a downloading thing, and he's not exactly unfamous/unpopular.

I'm not saying Aaron is necassarily a bad writer, but I really don't think mewithoutyou as a whole are exactly great.

The Decemberists are not political (at least from what I can think of).

Knife2aGunFight
07-18-2006, 11:20 AM
I searched for a Myspace as well do you supposed it would be under Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? But the one I found was someone pretending to be him with no music. Go figure. I'll try to find some of his stuff when I get home from work. Currently looking for the new mewithoutYou album, I think this one might make you a believer, their new stuff sounds great, a harpist, and horns, and the guy from SDRE. But Alas to each his own.

http://myspace.com/nickcaveandthebadseeds
EDIT haha he is listed as Happy Harcore, currently listening.

shifto
07-18-2006, 02:05 PM
^If all that myspacing about fails there's a Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds song available to download on amazon, if you've ever bought anything from there just log in to get it.:here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008L3M7/qid=1153244725/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-1404745-8555302?v=glance&n=468646)

I think the album list is pretty comprehensive now, and doesn't really need any more suggestions though, unless we get someone coming along with "I've listened to ALL the albums on the list, I want more..." :p: Still lots of stuff I've not heard on there.

Other things that could be added though, this blog called "yer mam" (http://yermam.spaces.msn.com) is pretty good, despite being an msn space - lots of reviews though and he puts up a weekly mixtape which is usually interesting. And if epitonic is up there, betterPropaganda (http://www.betterpropaganda.com/) is another similar site, and easier to navigate than the updated epitonic.

Another website I check occasionally, and not really an essential one, but the Automatic Mixtape Generator (http://www.tinymixtapes.com/amg/) on tinymixtapes is fairly amusing sometimes and can lead to a few suggestions of songs to investigate.

tezhall
07-18-2006, 06:26 PM
^that's a fair point, Saddle Creek the label is up there, but mebbe some Bright Eyes or something should be on the list?
Alice, I politely refer you to this quote from page 2 of this thread ;)
And Bright Eyes!? Please.......... If they're going to get put up there some sexual favors will have to be given.
oh and while I'm here...
haha is that at tez's embrace listing? :p:
hmm. :peace: ;)

Although while I'm posting in here, I may as well venture a classic album, Gomez - Split The Difference (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0001QNO4M/202-5503791-9854208?v=glance&n=229816&s=gateway&v=glance)

slinks
07-18-2006, 06:40 PM
I think maybe Secretly Canadian and SST should be put up as essential labels. Anyone agree?

trev_smith12
07-20-2006, 01:38 PM
I also think Merge, Touch & Go, Dischord, and Last Gang should be on essential labels. Just a thought.

Also I think possibly some of these albums could be added.
Fiery Furnaces- Blueberry Boat
Interpol- Turn On the Bright Lights
White Stripes- White Blood Cells
At The Drive-In- Relationship Of Command
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead- Source Tags & Codes
Lightning Bolt- Wonderful Rainbow
Broken Social Scene- You Forgot It In People
Yeah Yeah Yeahs- Fever To Tell
Sleater-Kinney- One Beat

IronBeard
07-20-2006, 03:26 PM
Interpol- Turn On the Bright Lights

Definitely seconded, unless it falls under Modern Rock or something. (I'm bollocks with genres)

sponj
07-20-2006, 05:24 PM
I also think Merge should be on essential labels. Just a thought.

Also I think possibly some of these albums could be added.
Fiery Furnaces- Blueberry Boat
Interpol- Turn On the Bright Lights
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead- Source Tags & Codes
Broken Social Scene- You Forgot It In People


yup :p:

pumpkins_rule
07-20-2006, 06:24 PM
I also think Merge, Touch & Go, Dischord, and Last Gang should be on essential labels. Just a thought.


Also I think possibly some of these albums could be added.
Fiery Furnaces- Blueberry Boat
Interpol- Turn On the Bright Lights
White Stripes- White Blood Cells
At The Drive-In- Relationship Of Command
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead- Source Tags & Codes
Lightning Bolt- Wonderful Rainbow
Broken Social Scene- You Forgot It In People
Yeah Yeah Yeahs- Fever To Tell
Sleater-Kinney- One Beat

I agree with all those labels. TOTBL should be up there, along with White Blood Cells, Wonderful Rainbow and YFIIP. Blueberry Boat is far from essential as is Fever To Tell. For Sleater-Kinney I think The Woods is closer to the Alternative genre. No comment on the others.

trev_smith12
07-21-2006, 01:25 PM
I'd also like to see these up there
PJ Harvey- Rid Of Me
Liz Phair- Exile In Guyville

Also possibly Vice as an essential label.

bobsaget13
07-22-2006, 01:25 PM
airbag/how's my driving-radiohead
elephant-white stripes
green album-weezer
thoses are great

The Mofaster
07-23-2006, 03:47 AM
I really believe that:

At the Drive-In's Relationship of Command should be included as an essential. It has made so much of an impact in the world of music and to the masses. I hope that you can add this cd to the list, for it has been 6 years since the cd made it's debut and it still influences many bands from genres all across today.

MarqueeMoon77
07-24-2006, 11:48 PM
The Velvet Underground and Nico
Fun House-The Stooges
Marquee Moon-Television
Zen Arcade-Husker Du
EVOL-Sonic Youth
You're Living All Over Me-Dinosaur Jr.
Sister-Sonic Youth
Daydream Nation-Sonic Youth
Goo-Sonic Youth
Repeater-Fugazi
Slanted and Enchanted-Pavement
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain-Pavemnt
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea-Neutral Milk Hotel
De Stijl-The White Stripes
Is This It-The Strokes
Funeral-Arcade Fire

pumpkins_rule
07-26-2006, 12:29 AM
I really believe that:

At the Drive-In's Relationship of Command should be included as an essential. It has made so much of an impact in the world of music and to the masses. I hope that you can add this cd to the list, for it has been 6 years since the cd made it's debut and it still influences many bands from genres all across today.

Do you have proof of this?

Andrewbiles
07-26-2006, 05:13 AM
^ I'd agree that it was quite influential and inspiring to the teenage crowd when it was released, but since then I do think its become a slightly over-shadowed and forgotten about CD due to TMV.

I'll have a gander through this thread again later and try and have a bit of an edit.

daft
07-26-2006, 05:33 AM
what about Kraftwerk - The Man Machine?

Should it been in there?

ando3300
08-03-2006, 12:06 AM
no need to be an ass about it.

Where was I an ass about it? The Kinks and The Beatles are British Invasion bands... Pop rock, I guess. And their two of my favorites. They are not, however, alternative.

pumpkins_rule
08-03-2006, 12:46 PM
Where was I an ass about it? The Kinks and The Beatles are British Invasion bands... Pop rock, I guess. And their two of my favorites. They are not, however, alternative.

British Invasion isn't a genre.

trev_smith12
08-03-2006, 11:11 PM
^I think he was stating that they were pop rock.

Caustic
08-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Pop rock or not, there is no disputing that the songwriting of The Kinks and The Beatles (especially their later releases) has been a huge influence on alternative/indie music. Thus making them recommended listening when delving into this kind of music.

2xG
08-11-2006, 12:14 AM
Eels - Electro-Shock Blues

Mr.E deserves a spot on this list, doesn't he?

Mild Vibe
08-22-2006, 07:05 AM
I think that if the Smashing Pumpkins are on there, then Nirvana should be included. Smashing Pumpkins are much more 'modern rock' sounding then Nirvana. Most people here just trash Nirvana because they exposed the Alt./Indie genre to the mainstream.

pocallaghan2002
08-23-2006, 02:21 PM
Add Electric Version by the New Pornographers. Brillinat album from a truly amazing band

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
08-24-2006, 03:36 PM
The Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight
Galaxie 500 - On Fire
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psycho Candy

Those albums should maybe be added due to their importance.

Nowhere by Ride should be added to the list as well. And maybe put Unknown Pleasures or Substance by Joy Division in place of Closer?

EDIT: Also, I can't believe Skylarking by XTC is not on the list. It really needs added.

robbie
08-28-2006, 04:32 PM
Any list without Broken Social Scene - 'You Forgot it in People' on it sucketh on the balls.

And would you not consider Rough Trade as an Alt/Indie record label? (And a rather important one at that, after all 'Up the Bracket' was released on Rough Trade).

2xG
08-28-2006, 10:28 PM
EDIT: Also, I can't believe Skylarking by XTC is not on the list. It really needs added.

Yup. I'm not crazy about it myself, but it is definately a classic.
And Tom Waits' Rain Dogs is also missing, which is quite a glaring omission.

Gurgle!Argh!
08-30-2006, 08:15 PM
WE MUST BE VERY SELECTIVE!!!

rough trade should probably be up though.

Gurgle!Argh!
08-30-2006, 08:16 PM
but not because of the libertines debut. rather, because theyre influential and stuff.

Strokesofgenius
08-30-2006, 11:32 PM
STROKES RULE!!!the 3 strokes cds
first impressions of earth!!!!
is this it?!!!!!!
room on fire!!!!

Andrewbiles
08-31-2006, 06:44 AM
I honestly thought that I had put Rough Trade on the list from the start, obviously not. Anyway, yeah, completely agree, they're up. If anyone wants to sift through the last four or five pages and dig out the albums people have recommended feel free to post them up. I've missed quite a bit and just can't be bothered right now...

rich_duran2
09-05-2006, 04:01 PM
Elephant-White Stripes
Whatever..-Artic Monkeys
Is this it...the Strokes
Franz Ferdinand Debut album
Astronaut- Duran Duran
Odolay- Beck
Head Music - Suede

Godzilla1969
09-05-2006, 04:05 PM
Wolf PArade- Apologies to the Queen Mary
Sunset Rubdown- Shut Up I Am Dreaming
Arcade Fire- Funeral
The Clientele- Strange Geometry
Neutral Milk Hotel- In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
The New Pornographers- Electric Version

Shecky06
09-13-2006, 02:43 PM
I think everyone's essentials should include a music documentary- i.e. Metallica/Some Kind of Monster, Neil Young and Crazy Horse/Year of the Horse, and my personal favorite Dispatch/Last Dispatch

pumpkins_rule
09-13-2006, 04:12 PM
I think everyone's essentials should include a music documentary- i.e. Metallica/Some Kind of Monster, Neil Young and Crazy Horse/Year of the Horse, and my personal favorite Dispatch/Last Dispatch

No.

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
09-13-2006, 04:18 PM
Has nobody heard Underwater Moonlight by the Soft Boys? I would definitely consider it essential. Also, add something by Big Star and the Violent Femmes debut!

sponj
09-13-2006, 05:47 PM
I've heard it and don't find it essential

#1 synth
09-14-2006, 01:11 AM
the Violent Femmes debut

I concur.

The other two suggestions you gave I decur. :)