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johnnynemo
09-26-2005, 01:48 PM
I'm starting this thread to clear up a misconception and to answer a PM. (sorry I didn't answer this before. I didn't know I had any PMs. I'd never checked it, so you should prolly kick my a$$)

Anyway, the misconception is about Nazi Skinheads.
Most people believe that it started with Skrewdriver, but that's not true.

First of all, let's take a look at the history of skinheads.

In the late 60s, the mods were becoming hippies, as mod bands like the Small Faces and The Who, grew their hair and stopped playing R&B, in favor of psychedelia and folk songs.
The remaining mods started cutting their hair shorter,and were called "hard mods" in order to be distinguished from their brothers who were growing their hair longer.
These hard mods still listened to soul music and Jamaican ska, but were becoming especially fanatic about a new type of music called " Tighten Up" music or "Reggae".

Meanwhile the Jamaican rude boys had also been listening to R&B and soul, but ska was starting to be replaced; first by "rocksteady" and then by the slower "reggae" music.

So, what you ended up with at the dance halls were kids who weren't mods, because that was dying, and weren't rude boys, because ska was dying, so a new creature emerged...The Skinhead.

The skinheads liked to stomp their boots in time to the reggae of Derrick Morgan, Desmond Dekker and others and soon enough,even had their own "anthems", "Skinhead Moonstomp" & "Skinhead Girl" by "Symarip"
http://www.d2.dion.ne.jp/~ken001/simaryp.jpg
http://www.musicoutfitter.com/images/items/25/510625.jpg

At this time, politically, most skinheads were apathetic.
They were more interested in listening to reggae, drinking lager and dancing with girls than they were in protesting.
There were a few who thought that the racist Enoch Benn was right in warning people about the rise of immigrants, but most didn't care, because there were plenty of jobs.
A few skinheads even thought that the left wing was the way to go, as most poor people, who did vote, voted Labor. (Labor, prior to Tony Blair, was a very liberal, left-wing party)

After the heydays of reggae (1968-1971), reggae started to become more "African" and the songs became more about "getting back to your roots (Africa)" & "Haile Selassie", the Ethiopian dictator, as more and more reggae bands became Rastafarians.

Skinheads started growing their hair out as skinhead became suedehead became smoothie, until they merged with the emerging "glam" movement, as chronicled in glam band "Mott The Hoople"'s song "Honaloochie Boogie"

"My hair gets longer as the beat gets stronger,
Wanna tell Chuck Berry my news.
I get my kicks from guitar licks.
I sold my steel-toed shoes."

So, essentially by 1973, skinhead was dead, which is why Slaughter & The Dogs were singing "Where Have All The Bootboys Gone?" in 1975.

So, who started skinhead back up and where did the Nazi Skinhead come from?

Well, you can thank Sham 69 for both.

http://www.lyricshead.com/images/site/covers/small/d/v/dv1prxe.jpg

Not only did Jimmy Pursey and a few of the lads dress and look like Skinheads (note the pic above where Jimmy's wearing suspenders), but at a show in November 1977, Jimmy Pursey had yelled, "Skinheads are back!"
By singing songs like "Ulster" - an anti-IRA anthem, "Rip Off" - a song that Jimmy says is about "Kings Row" shops that are selling punk gear at expensive prices, but is also an anti-immigrant song with the line "faces from places I've never been", & "Red London" - a song about an alleged Communist take-over of London, the right-wing found a new image and a new band to promote their agenda.

After riots at shows and realizing that they backed the wrong horse, Sham tried to clean up their image. Jimmy Pursey sang with the Clash at Rock Against Racism gigs and Sham recorded the song "You're a Better Man Than I" (which has an anti-racist message).

They did a good job of white-washing their mistakes, as well. If you look for the lyrics to "Ulster", "Rip-Off" or "Red London" on their homepage or on the internet, you can't find them anywhere.

But they created the Frankenstein monster of the Nazi Skinhead that Skrewdriver tapped into when they reformed in 1982, with a new Skinhead image and racist lyrics.

Skrunnch
09-26-2005, 03:10 PM
Really nice job. I've always tried to get in to oi, but never really liked it.

newyorkdolls138
09-26-2005, 03:16 PM
Well, you can thank Sham 69 for both.

Aww crap, I never realized Sham 69 did something wrong.

capsfan17
09-26-2005, 05:04 PM
really good, you should submit this as a guest column, it would help clear up nasty punk stereotypes

newyorkdolls138
09-26-2005, 06:43 PM
really good, you should submit this as a guest column, it would help clear up nasty punk stereotypes

Indeed. Or I could take the credit.

unseen_punk007
09-26-2005, 09:03 PM
Good Job Johnny! I never knew that.

Iluvpowerchords
09-26-2005, 09:21 PM
Wow.

Good Job, I just learned alot of new stuff.

ragethesage
09-27-2005, 12:43 AM
Quite interesting.

Awesome job Johnny.

VodkaPunk
09-27-2005, 01:22 AM
Good job.

WoodysAFaggot
09-27-2005, 05:09 AM
Thats my favourite slaughter and the dogs song.
Can i ask where, Erberts, Or Herberts came from, I cant remember what they were called.

TN_BOOTBOY
09-27-2005, 05:58 AM
You can also thank the National Socialist party that was always tryin to get voted into power in England for fillin the working class boys heads with propaganda. telling them that the Pakistanis and other immigrants were taking thier jobs and that they should cleanse thier country. Jimmy might have messed up a little like most young people do when they htink they have a cause, but ya really can't lay the whole thing on his shoulders alone.

johnnynemo
09-27-2005, 11:17 AM
You can also thank the National Socialist party that was always tryin to get voted into power in England for fillin the working class boys heads with propaganda. telling them that the Pakistanis and other immigrants were taking thier jobs and that they should cleanse thier country. Jimmy might have messed up a little like most young people do when they htink they have a cause, but ya really can't lay the whole thing on his shoulders alone.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3230/blackshirts6bs.gif

True, Sham didn't start the phenomenon of short-haired, boot-wearing, racist thugs who were ready and willing to attack Communists, immigrants, Irish nationalists and anyone else they saw as "the enemy", that goes back to 1934 and Oswald Mosley and his Union of Fascists, or Blackshirts, pictured above.

But Sham sang about issues that were near and dear to their hearts, and, perhaps unwittingly, opened the door for the re-birth of Skinheads, this time draped in nazi flags, rather than Jamaican ones.

I love Sham and have two autographed LPs from them, but I'm not letting them off the hook for creating the Nazi Skinheads.

While I blame Skrewdriver for creating an international army of boneheads, it was Sham that opened the door.

johnnynemo
09-27-2005, 11:28 AM
Thats my favourite slaughter and the dogs song.
Can i ask where, Erberts, Or Herberts came from, I cant remember what they were called.

"Herbert" means someone who is undistinguished; a dull person.

It comes from the mods in the 60s, who used it to describe "normal" people, as opposed to the mods who dressed sharply.

During the first wave of punk, it came to mean someone with long hair, as that was what the average person looked like, at that time.

During the second wave of punk, herbert also became synonymous with a street hooligan, i.e. one who was neither a green-haired punk or a skinhead with a "number one crop" (short hair), but who was into the music and football (soccer) and such.

WoodysAFaggot
09-27-2005, 04:47 PM
Ahh k, Becuase i can remember reading a thing about the Cockney Rejects, & They were having a bit of a argument saying they were the original " Herbert " Band,..

pidevice
09-29-2005, 01:57 PM
:headbang: johnnynemo!!! this is the killer well written info, the good stuff in fact! you rule, sah. :D

I want to stick this thread- for a while at least, it's damn worthy imo

misfitsdisciple
09-29-2005, 07:45 PM
ok im new to most of this herberts and stuff, i've seen skinheads and stuff but i dont know what a "mod" is, could you clear that up for me??

i have heard of them in rancid's songs "jimmy thinks johnny's a mod, and johnny think jimmy's a punk, jimmy listens to ska, and johnny likes last resort"... but other than that, im have no idea

Prince
09-29-2005, 09:17 PM
Mods (http://punkmodpop.free.fr/photos/gangsters_pic.jpg)

misfitsdisciple
09-30-2005, 07:25 PM
that doesn't help a lot...

johnnynemo
10-04-2005, 01:34 PM
All about mods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_%28music%29

http://punkmodpop.free.fr/millionslikeus.htm

http://www.rampartsc.co.uk/QUADROPHENIA_back.gif

johnnynemo
10-04-2005, 01:35 PM
:headbang: johnnynemo!!! this is the killer well written info, the good stuff in fact! you rule, sah. :D

I want to stick this thread- for a while at least, it's damn worthy imo

Thanks, pidevice.

misfitsdisciple
10-04-2005, 03:16 PM
All about mods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_%28music%29

http://punkmodpop.free.fr/millionslikeus.htm

http://www.rampartsc.co.uk/QUADROPHENIA_back.gif

ty mr. nemo i totally understand now =)

frying nemo08
10-04-2005, 04:51 PM
wow that was really interesting, thanks for writing it!

:cheers:

joe_barge
10-04-2005, 08:08 PM
You didn't include anything about the SHARP skinheads or really clarify the differences between all the types of skinheads.

misfitsdisciple
10-04-2005, 08:11 PM
SHARP = Skin Heads Against Racial Profiling

pretty much, anti-racism skin heads, against the racism, still angry young men who like to fight and mosh n stuff

unseen_punk007
10-04-2005, 08:19 PM
Profiling? Its predjudice. Not profiling.

misfitsdisciple
10-04-2005, 08:20 PM
Profiling? Its predjudice. Not profiling.

yeah, thats what i meant... it has been a long day

CowsWithGuns
10-04-2005, 08:48 PM
Well, it's about nazi skinheads not the different types of skinheads. Good job johnnynemo. Very informative.

sargasm
10-05-2005, 01:07 AM
Skinhead Attitude is a good movie to watch about this subject.

johnnynemo
10-05-2005, 01:05 PM
You didn't include anything about the SHARP skinheads or really clarify the differences between all the types of skinheads.

The article was in response to someone sending me a PM asking "where did the whole Nazi Skinhead thing start?"
So, I answered it.

Most people seemed to like it and said so.
I thank them for that.

One person felt the need to point out that I didn't answer questions that weren't asked.

If that person wants to chronicle the different types of skinheads, or write about SHARP, or inform the world that there have been gay skinheads ever since when Judge Dread was hanging out with Elton John, who wrote the song "Jamaica Jerk-off" (which can be found on the Goodbye To Yellow Brick Road LP), then they should write their own thread about it.

RockThe40oz
10-05-2005, 01:12 PM
Pshhh. dammit, johnnynemo, you forgot to mention GASH

johnnynemo
10-05-2005, 01:48 PM
Pshhh. dammit, johnnynemo, you forgot to mention GASH

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
How silly of me!

GASH - Gay Aryan SkinHeads

RASH - Red Anarchist SkinHeads

BASH - Baltimore Area SkinHeads

and, of course.....
SLASH - http://www.ba.no/multimedia/archive/00554/slash-versjoner_554884h.jpg

unseen_punk007
10-05-2005, 02:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
How silly of me!

GASH - Gay Aryan SkinHeads

RASH - Red Anarchist SkinHeads

BASH - Baltimore Area SkinHeads

and, of course.....
SLASH - http://www.ba.no/multimedia/archive/00554/slash-versjoner_554884h.jpg
:haha :haha :haha!

joe_barge
10-06-2005, 05:21 PM
Don't shi t a brick because you didn't say anything about SHARPs. I just thought it necessary to point out to other people of the anti-racist skinheads because this is a thread for a large amount of people to view as opposed to your PM which you could have answered privately. :rolleyes:

Roger_Waters
10-06-2005, 08:20 PM
whos skrewdriver

unseen_punk007
10-06-2005, 08:22 PM
An oi band that used to make good music but now were reformed into a white power crap band.

johnnynemo
10-07-2005, 04:46 PM
Don't shi t a brick because you didn't say anything about SHARPs. I just thought it necessary to point out to other people of the anti-racist skinheads because this is a thread for a large amount of people to view as opposed to your PM which you could have answered privately. :rolleyes:

Here's the history of SHARP:

SHARP was founded by a guy named Ishamel in New York City in the late 1980s.
He was alarmed that most people who knew about skinheads, were only aware of the racist skins, due to magazines like Playboy who had written articles about skinheads which omitted any mention of reggae or non-racist skinheads.
He started his group and then went on an ill-fated Geraldo Rivera show to present his side of the story, but after a member of the Congress Of Racial Equality choked a racist by the name of Metzger, and a riot ensued, which injured Geraldo, his message went largely unheard.

Then Roddy Moreno of the Oppressed toured America and Canada, where upon hearing about SHARP, he immediately exported it to England and proudly flew the flag.

MTV ran a special in the early 1990s, which cast SHARP skins in a very favorable light, and the success of the "ska revival", ostensibly started by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones around the same time period, informed more people of the differences between SHARP skins and neo-nazis.

And they lived happily ever after.

newyorkdolls138
10-07-2005, 05:11 PM
And they lived happily ever after.

Awwwww.

SkinnyWhiteBoy
10-13-2005, 06:23 PM
So, all of the classifications of Skin Heads are...

SHARP
GASH
RASH
BASH

?

unseen_punk007
10-13-2005, 06:26 PM
Dont forget SLASH!

SkinnyWhiteBoy
10-13-2005, 07:24 PM
Ah, yes. Can't believe I forgot SLASH!

Liam Alan
10-21-2005, 08:28 AM
^^ Yeah I rememember when everyones dream was to get a fricking vespa. :haha :haha

johnnynemo
10-21-2005, 01:07 PM
^ Or a Lambretta.

It was always really funny to me.

"I'm a big, tough as nails skinhead. I workout and drink beer all the time, but I really love to dance to soul music and ride a scooter."

WTF?

It's kinda like a metalhead saying "I love taking speed and burning down churches for Satan, but I also like opera music and fluffy kitties."

Liam Alan
10-21-2005, 01:19 PM
What was the ska song about scooters? The skinheads on Vespas or something. I think it was in a skate video too. Back when H-street sponsored Matt Hensley and he was always on Vespas and the skins bought his boards. Hheheh

Sublimeman
10-22-2005, 08:11 PM
Desmond Dekker was ska buddy.

Mach_Baron
10-26-2005, 02:18 AM
nice job, Nemo! i think you covered this well enough to set some things straight,as well as clear up many preconceptions that some people--especially folks newer to the scene, or have the view that the mainstream media shoves down their thoats--have had about nazi skins.
as you said, there much more to discuss concerning the varying sects of skins--and i'm hoping we'll get around to that soon.
too long have people believed the image of skins that GERALDO gave the masses.maybe we can get a serious discussion goingon, and some of the kids can print them out to hand out to their classmates or to distibute at their local church/kiwanis/library etc.

on another note--and getting back to nazi skins---i've always found it downright hilarious when i meet an ethnic skin who is prejudiced toward their own (Lefty comes to mind quickly, doesn't it Nemo!).
i lived off and on in Ohio for a few years, and dated a young black stripper who lived in Cleveland. we were together for nearly a year before i found out she was frickin' racsist---she hated black people! :mad: dumped her right on the spot, i did!

TN_BOOTBOY
10-26-2005, 02:34 AM
There was a guy here in Nashville back in the early '90's who was big time white power, ect. Even told me my mixed breed Indian ass needed to be exterminated. Found out that his mom was Mexican. Thought it was funny that the dude in charge of Panzer Faust records ended up bein a Mexican, and that he was usin money frome the label to go to China on sex trips to get Chinese hookers. The whole deal blew Panzer Faust apart. couldn't have happened to a nicer record label. :D

johnnynemo
10-26-2005, 08:40 AM
^Hahahahahaha.
That's great.

I've met several black skinheads, in addition to Lefty, who were white power.
I thought it was an East Coast thing, until I met some Mexican nazis from San Antonio.

The most bizarre guy I ever met like that was a full blooded Native American who was second-in-command (Wizard In Training?LOL.) of the Klan in PA.

Can you say......WTF?

I tried talking to him and explaining that I'm part Native and that these were the kind of guys who killed Indians back in the day.
He said that if the Klan got into power, they would divide America into 3 sections, with whites in one, Natives in another and all other races in a third area.

I told him that the first thing they'd do is scalp his a$$ and take ALL the land.
Sadly, he didn't hear a word I said.

newyorkdolls138
10-26-2005, 10:18 AM
Damn. In a slightly related story:
After 911, there was a native american walking down the road in NYC. A redneck pulls up to him and yells: "GO BACK TO YER OWN COUNTRY!"
Silly rednecks.

lhsamsomeone
10-31-2005, 07:06 PM
so basically, skinheads started as something kinda good, but ended up being a bunch of racists?

TN_BOOTBOY
10-31-2005, 07:09 PM
ONly some of them did. There's still alot of Traditionals. and then there's SHARP.

one dead punk
10-31-2005, 10:28 PM
i hear amsterdam is home to skinheads-a-plenty. My friend says they are all really nice people there, the skins, and though most are infact NAzi skinheads, she says the non-nazi type are some of the coolest/nices people shes ever met.

runefan88
10-31-2005, 10:32 PM
Nazis in Amsterdam???

Back to the attic with you Anne Frank.

TN_BOOTBOY
11-01-2005, 06:39 AM
Believe it or not, Malaysia has a huge skinhead scene. Also South America, and Japan. There's skins all ove the world. Especially countries where there's mostly working class.

lhsamsomeone
11-01-2005, 09:07 PM
wow, thats madness, i knew a skin guy around here once, and he gave me a misconception, cause he was a nazi bastard, and he started **** with my band, and we rumbled. he was a one tough sob, lucky i had my compatritriots with me.
its good to know that there are some cool skins though. variety is awesome.

whyvern
11-01-2005, 09:11 PM
Believe it or not, Malaysia has a huge skinhead scene. Also South America, and Japan. There's skins all ove the world. Especially countries where there's mostly working class.


Malaysia is putting out some of the best Oi! out of any country in the world right now.

The most skinheads out of any country in the world is in Russia.

misfitsdisciple
11-04-2005, 08:46 PM
The most bizarre guy I ever met like that was a full blooded Native American who was second-in-command (Wizard In Training?LOL.) of the Klan in PA.
.

Even more bizarre, there actually was a black clan member, was an "Imperial Wizard" status, it happened way back, but i think that is very funny

punc_roc
11-06-2005, 06:41 AM
i was just talkin about this yesterday

Nesk_101
11-13-2005, 05:44 PM
Either i just have no idea what you're talking about, or you have your head completely up your ass.

misfitsdisciple
11-13-2005, 07:57 PM
who are you talking about mr. pumpkinsmasher?

tupperware03x
11-16-2005, 11:43 AM
I think the idea of a black klan member is a bit to 'extreme' for him.

I read about that a little while ago too, misfitsdiciple.

misfitsdisciple
11-16-2005, 03:40 PM
hell, i know a white guy who was in the black panthers... he was my history teacher

capsfan17
11-16-2005, 04:12 PM
^ whats wrong with that?

misfitsdisciple
11-16-2005, 05:19 PM
nothing wrong with it, just strange because they didnt let like ANY white people in...

INDUSTRIALMETAL
11-22-2005, 08:42 PM
I'm sure once Malcolm X passed on they probably got more lenient.

misfitsdisciple
11-23-2005, 08:42 AM
your probably right

anarchy_oioioi
11-25-2005, 08:52 AM
I'd like to point out something that is often mentioned in Nazi punk/skinhead threads.

A lot of people say that Siouxsie Sioux (of the Banshees) rocked a swastika armband for shock value. This is true, as she even said herself that Nazi's would've killed goths/punks for being who they were.

My main point, however, is that according to the few pictures I found of her sporting the swastika armband, she was wearing it the wrong way. The Nazi version of the swastika "points to the right". The Buddhist (I think) suastika "points to the left", and represents evil. A better look at what the "evil suastika" looks like:

http://www.weidemyr.com/sym/religion/babylon_swastika-p.png

Also, in the pictures i've seen, she wore it on the wrong arm, which makes an even greater statement that she is against Nazism.


By the way, a punk or a goth wearing a swastika is just as retarded and oxymoronic as an African-American wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood. It's true what Siouxsie said about how Nazis would have killed punks for being different.

misfitsdisciple
11-25-2005, 11:43 AM
fact of the matter is, either way, if you wear a swastika, you will be deemed a nazi, no matter which way it is, or what arm... its just got the bad rap of naziism.

whyvern
11-25-2005, 12:31 PM
By the way, a punk or a goth wearing a swastika is just as retarded and oxymoronic as an African-American wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood.

The drummer for my folk band is black and I'm white and we're gonna do blackface/whiteface for a show sometime to point out how absurd racism and then political correctness racism is in Alabama. It's gonna be teh sex.

BluesRK
11-28-2005, 01:43 PM
The swastika's a Hindu symbol. This is a bit unrelated to what you guys are talking about, but I've got a question: how did Nazi skinheads get hold of reggae, a genre that was, at least at first, played exclusively by black musicians and became, more or less, a musical symbol of immigration and integration with bands like Steel Pulse?

johnnynemo
11-28-2005, 02:26 PM
If you had read my first post in this thread, you wouldn't ask stupid questions.

BluesRK
11-29-2005, 12:48 PM
No you misunderstand, I'll rephrase it: there's no logic in immigrant-hating xenophobics enjoying black music, so why did they LIKE it, or at least embrace a culture that was founded on it? Surely it stood for everything they hated. Or was there no logic to it and it was just stupidity?

johnnynemo
11-29-2005, 01:50 PM
OMFG!!!!

I explained all of this in the first F*CKING POST !!!!

Will you please read the first f*cking post and stop asking STUPID F*CKING QUESTIONS, YA F*CKING IMBECILIC TWIT ?!?!

TN_BOOTBOY
11-29-2005, 05:29 PM
No you misunderstand, I'll rephrase it: there's no logic in immigrant-hating xenophobics enjoying black music, so why did they LIKE it, or at least embrace a culture that was founded on it? Surely it stood for everything they hated. Or was there no logic to it and it was just stupidity?
Since you're too lazy to read the ppost, The original skins that came about around 1969, were'nt racist. They were a working class movement that were into Ska, Northern Soul, and Reggae. the whole nazi thing came later in the 70's and even more so in the 80's. Make sense to ya now dimwit?

one dead punk
11-29-2005, 06:42 PM
In the movie Sin City the girl at one point throws a swastika at another man. But as anarchy man said it, it was a backwards one.

geenday409
11-29-2005, 06:55 PM
i have no idea what your talking about. nazis suck tho.

one dead punk
11-29-2005, 07:05 PM
ignorance

FunkedUp
11-30-2005, 10:55 AM
Since you're too lazy to read the ppost, The original skins that came about around 1969, were'nt racist. They were a working class movement that were into Ska, Northern Soul, and Reggae. the whole nazi thing came later in the 70's and even more so in the 80's. Make sense to ya now dimwit?

you didnt need to have a go at bluesrk, i think bluesrk means why did some of the later ones who were racist choose to be skinheads, since being a skinhead orginally meant being into music made by people that they hated. having read the whole thread, it seems that it was just idiocy.

johnnynemo
11-30-2005, 11:28 AM
Oh, well, if that's the case.....'tis simple.

It was because, as punk became more and more "suburban" and "trendy", the kids looked for an image that reflected their working class status and values.

The skinhead image tied this all up nicely, especially when many of them only knew about skinheads from songs like Slaughter and The Dogs' "Where HAve All The Bootboys Gone" which had the lyrics

"Wearing boots and short haircuts
We will kick you in the gut"

TN_BOOTBOY
11-30-2005, 08:58 PM
you didnt need to have a go at bluesrk, i think bluesrk means why did some of the later ones who were racist choose to be skinheads, since being a skinhead orginally meant being into music made by people that they hated. having read the whole thread, it seems that it was just idiocy.
The skin movement had died down quite a bit, and when it started making a comeback, Nationalists in the UK started catering to the working class values and pride in being English that skins had an used Pakistani immigrants taking jobs as a means to spread thier word. Paki bashing was really bad at this time. Then bands like Skrewdriver jumped on the band wagon and it went on from there. so in short, there was a lul between the two.

misfitsdisciple
11-30-2005, 09:00 PM
British national party was pretty bad too, Oi Polloi sings about em, and bashing them.

TN_BOOTBOY
11-30-2005, 09:02 PM
That's who I was talkin about.

anarchy_oioioi
12-03-2005, 03:57 AM
The drummer for my folk band is black and I'm white and we're gonna do blackface/whiteface for a show sometime to point out how absurd racism and then political correctness racism is in Alabama. It's gonna be teh sex.

Noice. Good luck.

The swastika's a Hindu symbol.

Actually, it is found in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, The Abrahamic religions, some miscellaneous Oriental traditions, Native American traditions, and yes, even pre-Christian European traditions.

Rankles
12-20-2005, 02:59 PM
This is going into the archives now. Good job!