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PiNk_ThE_pUnK
11-16-2005, 06:42 AM
So I was talking to an old friend of mine (old as in age not i've known him for ages) who was around throughout the early 80's punk and hardcore scene and we got talking about dancing. What he had to say I found incredibly interesting and I thought some of you would also like to learn about this sort of thing. So here it is:

I've heard of two different characters who apparently 'invented' slamdancing. One is Jim Kaa, guitarist of seminal beach punks The Crowd (y'know where the Descendents got it all from along with the Klan), and the other is Mike Marine (of the Decline of Western Civilization). The year and place the same; 1979 in Huntington Beach, California.

Bored of the traditional pogo, jumping and pushing into other people became the order of the day. And if you believe the Mike Marine story, gave a good battering at the same time. The dance was referred to as the 'Huntington Beach Shuffle' (as immortalised by Shawn Kerri's 'skank kid' cartoons for the Circle Jerks) when the dance evolved into running in a large circle; "If you look at the slamdance itself, if you look at the configuration, it's basically a kid riding a skateboard." (Keith Morris, Circle Jerks/Black Flag).

If you want to look at the dance, you also have to look at the precise origins of hardcore itself. Which again, traces back to Huntington Beach, and certain schools such as Edison High, where otherwise normal beach kids were getting regularly hospitalised by roaming gangs of 4x4 Lynyrd Skynyrd rednecks. A friend of 'Eugene' (Decline of Western Civilisation) called Dana decided to form a "fight-back skinhead army", and within weeks was in 'control' of upwards of 100 kids controlled by an inner circle; 'the Wayward Cains' (6'+ surfer kids who later became members of bands like T.S.O.L.) These beach kids took on the more sensationalised and violent media version of what punk rock was supposed to be, and intensified it.

Darby Crash died in December 1980, so the Germs, the only original 1977 band of the Masque scene to be embraced by the beach kids, were out of the frame, and the rest of the early punks rejected hardcore. But bands such as Black Flag, Fear and the Circle Jerks, were speeding up their music, encouraging slamdancing. Which was already being shortened to 'slamming' or 'skanking', and the dancefloor became known as 'the pit'.

The Circle Jerks (and entourage) had headed north in August 1980, and played at the Mabuhay Gardens with a touring Teen Idles from Washington D.C. and MacKaye, Rolllins, Nelson and their counterparts went back east impressed with the codified behaviour, dancing and uniform of these 'hardcore' punks, and Minor Threat was formed, along with harDCore, as they adopted it, including as a way to defend themselves against the normals. The influence also left it's bootprint on San Francisco at the same time, seeing bands speed up, including the Dead Kennedys on the 1981 'In God We Trust, Inc.'

But it remained the 'slam' until the last-legs, and desperate for ideas, heavy metal, decided to appropriate hardcore's intensity, art and fashion in order to redefine itself as thrash metal in the mid-late 80's. This is where it was renamed the 'mosh' (if it was Vinnie Stigma, he was probably asking Roger for a 'wash' ); a caricature term, much more cute, and media-friendly, that has, sadly, become the accepted term for the slamdance.

By the mid-late 80's, hardcore 'punk' had obviously moved on, with the post-revolution summer D.C. scene moving on and eschewing violence, and even dancing in totality. Other reactions against (in true punk rock fashion) were the pigpiling, goofing about and food fights, popular in the emerging S.F. Bay Area 'Gilman Street' scene and the likes Operation Ivy and especially Isocracy (later Samiam), where humour and shift back to melody and urgency, spawned the pop punk scene that exploded globally in the mid 90's.

The current fare of macho ridiculousness came to the fore with the rise of Victory records style 'hardcore', and bands like Earth Crisis in the mid 90's, further evolved by Bridge Nine type dirge. I don't know anything about the specifics of this kind of 'hardcore' as I have no interest in it, own none of the music, and have heard very little, as it is a continuation of the late 80's thrash metal as far as I'm concerned.

"I don't know when they stopped calling it the 'slam pit' and it started to be called the 'mosh pit'. That term came about after I got out of the scene. I think it came from heavy metal. It's not punk. It never came from Flag or any of the early Orange County hardcore bands that I remember." Mugger (SST Records, Black Flag roadie, Nigheist)

Just something i'd like to add Vinnie Stigma of Agnostic Front is credited with coining the term "mosh" as it supposidly stands for "March Of Skin Heads" but it is actually a derrivation of a term the Bad Brains used which was "mash it up" which was a form of afro-carribean dancing. This got changed as people without the afro-carribean accents started to use it.

Just some history for you all their that I thought was interesting.

radio_schizo
11-16-2005, 07:07 AM
Wow, I never knew that Vinnie Stigma came up with the term "mosh", and that it standed for "March Of Skin Heads".
I still think slam dancing sounds better though.

Interesting read there. Well written too, I might add;)

BigFatSandwich
11-16-2005, 07:07 AM
God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.

LazyGuitar
11-16-2005, 07:32 AM
*stickiwied*

kryptonite22
11-16-2005, 09:33 AM
Informative and well written, great job.

*Def*
11-16-2005, 11:45 AM
Nice read!

you might have noticed I haven't been around much Dai, I've been really busy with my band, study and girlfriend lately.. I've decided to quit modding on UG since I'm hardly around.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
11-16-2005, 11:49 AM
No worries man, i've been pretty busy with college etc at the moment so I know what that's like. It's a pity you've quit modding but I guess your real life is more important than a forum eh?! :p:

emokid182
11-16-2005, 03:14 PM
this was probably the best article i've seen on this sight for a logn time.

tinblimp9340
11-16-2005, 05:31 PM
tru dat..

whyvern
11-16-2005, 11:39 PM
I'm assuming this is also a good place to fill others about local forms of slamdancing. Here in North Alabama me and some friend do this thing called "The Alabama Shuffle" it where you dance like a hick and ****ing run into everyone in the pit and scream things out with a thick southern accent.

If you can come across the Chaos Kitchen episode with the Eyes of Hate, I'm on it doing the Alabama Shuffle.

Combat
11-17-2005, 05:02 PM
this is awesome. its good to show kids that hardcore dancing has some history to it, since everyone on here seems to hate it. it also goes against the metal forums making fun of it in thier "Hardcore Dancing" thread where all they do is bash it.

whyvern
11-17-2005, 08:43 PM
Hardcore dancing where you act like a ninja is stupid.


Circle Pits, Not Ninja Kicks!

tinblimp9340
11-17-2005, 08:45 PM
Circle pits suck.

LedZeppelin
11-17-2005, 09:54 PM
Hardcore dancing has got to be the most absurd thing I've ever seen. The fact that so much of its history is based on random things said by former members of "classic" hardcore bands just shows its stupidity even more. Circle pits are ridiculous...moshing is supposed to be about having fun, not getting the crap kicked out of you by some kid who has a bone to pick with the air.

Having said that, it was a well-written article, and you definitely did your research, no matter how silly I believe the subject matter to be.

this is awesome. its good to show kids that hardcore dancing has some history to it, since everyone on here seems to hate it. it also goes against the metal forums making fun of it in thier "Hardcore Dancing" thread where all they do is bash it.

How does the fact that it has a history mean anything to people who hate it? And that thread in the metal forum is long dead. There was one about dancing at a Cryptopsy show, though, which disgusts me...that might still be floating around somewhere...

whyvern
11-18-2005, 04:59 PM
Circle pits are ridiculous...moshing is supposed to be about having fun, not getting the crap kicked out of you by some kid who has a bone to pick with the air.



ummm a cirlce pit is a bunch of kids that run around in a circle.

casualtyvampire
11-19-2005, 05:15 AM
circle pits n two stepping is so fun. good article.

tinblimp9340
11-19-2005, 12:10 PM
circle pits n two stepping is so fun. good article.
Isn't that an oxymoron?

LedZeppelin
11-19-2005, 08:18 PM
ummm a cirlce pit is a bunch of kids that run around in a circle.

Those were separate thoughts. Circle pits are stupid, "air ninjas" are stupid.

CreedSUCKS DIRK
11-21-2005, 08:11 PM
I'm assuming this is also a good place to fill others about local forms of slamdancing. Here in North Alabama me and some friend do this thing called "The Alabama Shuffle" it where you dance like a hick and ****ing run into everyone in the pit and scream things out with a thick southern accent.

You assumed correctly. That sounds totally awesome man.

Combat
11-22-2005, 04:08 PM
Those were separate thoughts. Circle pits are stupid, "air ninjas" are stupid.
yeah running into people and banging your head is so much funner

The chariot x
11-24-2005, 07:54 PM
\m/

stealth_penguin
11-25-2005, 03:36 AM
Informative and well written, great job.I agree.

LaihoRocks
11-25-2005, 10:40 PM
I think hardcore dancing is hilarious! In my opinoin watching 2 fourtenn year olds drop kicking eachother is the funniest thing on the planet. I would never participate watching is hilarious!

Cadd99
11-25-2005, 10:54 PM
I hate hardcore dancing. When kids start a hardcore dancing circle at shows by me I do the robot, no joke. Then, if I'm feeling it, I start to breakdance. If you're gonna start a pussy pit, might as well act like a pussy.

gdawg3001
11-26-2005, 05:57 PM
I hate hardcore dancing. When kids start a hardcore dancing circle at shows by me I do the robot, no joke. Then, if I'm feeling it, I start to breakdance. If you're gonna start a pussy pit, might as well act like a pussy.

you are my hero.

shai_savant
11-26-2005, 05:59 PM
I hate hardcore dancing. When kids start a hardcore dancing circle at shows by me I do the robot, no joke. Then, if I'm feeling it, I start to breakdance. If you're gonna start a pussy pit, might as well act like a pussy.
that's gay...if you don't like it then don't participate...don't instigate fights...good thing that you don't go to real hardcore shows though

gdawg3001
11-27-2005, 04:06 AM
if he went to real hardcore shows, he wouldnt have to worry becauase theres no hardcore dancing there.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
11-27-2005, 05:53 AM
gdawg3001, if you knew anything on this matter i'd quite possibly listen to you. Hardcore dancing is called thus because it is done at hardcore shows. Yes there are lots of fashion-core kids that do it at crappy metal-core shows but it happens at hardcore shows aswell. For example Good Clean Fun last year, Bane, Champion, Comeback Kid, Modern Life Is War this year. It happens get over it.

Also another point that is off topic but worth noting we all really need to stop this stupid bickering over tr00 hardcore, it's getting almost as bad as the metal forum in here. If you want to argue with someone about their musical taste or anything for that matter do it in a polite, informed way. This should help stop making us all look like neanderthals and get some positive discussion going. I know i'm guilty of this aswell but I am trying to sort it out. Hopefully if everyone tries it'll happen. (I swear i'm far too posi :p: )

hXcMacbeth3
11-27-2005, 07:49 PM
Also another point that is off topic but worth noting we all really need to stop this stupid bickering over tr00 hardcore, it's getting almost as bad as the metal forum in here. If you want to argue with someone about their musical taste or anything for that matter do it in a polite, informed way. This should help stop making us all look like neanderthals and get some positive discussion going. I know i'm guilty of this aswell but I am trying to sort it out. Hopefully if everyone tries it'll happen. (I swear i'm far too posi :p: )


AMEN

shai_savant
11-27-2005, 11:29 PM
gdawg3001, if you knew anything on this matter i'd quite possibly listen to you. Hardcore dancing is called thus because it is done at hardcore shows. Yes there are lots of fashion-core kids that do it at crappy metal-core shows but it happens at hardcore shows aswell. For example Good Clean Fun last year, Bane, Champion, Comeback Kid, Modern Life Is War this year. It happens get over it.

Also another point that is off topic but worth noting we all really need to stop this stupid bickering over tr00 hardcore, it's getting almost as bad as the metal forum in here. If you want to argue with someone about their musical taste or anything for that matter do it in a polite, informed way. This should help stop making us all look like neanderthals and get some positive discussion going. I know i'm guilty of this aswell but I am trying to sort it out. Hopefully if everyone tries it'll happen. (I swear i'm far too posi :p: )
i wasn't making fun of him for not going to real hardcore shows i was just saying that at at shows like terror people wouldn't take kindly to making fun of...also i did end up seeing BANE tonight...i love last minute rides....butt hey didn't play Ante Up, or My Therapy...two songs that i really wanted to hear

LedZeppelin
11-28-2005, 10:08 PM
Also another point that is off topic but worth noting we all really need to stop this stupid bickering over tr00 hardcore, it's getting almost as bad as the metal forum in here. If you want to argue with someone about their musical taste or anything for that matter do it in a polite, informed way. This should help stop making us all look like neanderthals and get some positive discussion going. I know i'm guilty of this aswell but I am trying to sort it out. Hopefully if everyone tries it'll happen. (I swear i'm far too posi :p: )

This is completely off-topic, BUT

See, in the metal forum, we flame people so badly they either:

A.) Never come back
B.) Get a new username, figure out what real metal is, and come back.

Here, people can't agree. At least the metal forum is full of AGREEING elitists, not to mention elitists who are right about most stuff.

Gomorrah
12-05-2005, 08:40 PM
^From what I've seen, you're the one getting flamed, so don't go on about that nonsense and include yourself with the elitist metalheads.



In other news, well written article, Dai. I'm not really a fan of hardcore dancing (two stepping is ok) but it was still an interesting read.

Combat
12-05-2005, 08:49 PM
yeah, ive seen him post in the metal forum about how the hardcore forum sucks because everyone hates eachother. it made me laugh.

Cadd99
12-05-2005, 09:31 PM
that's gay...if you don't like it then don't participate...don't instigate fights...good thing that you don't go to real hardcore shows though
It's funny because all "real" hardcore sucks except for Gorilla Biscuits, Shai Hulud and some Donnybrook. I guess I'm not cool enough to like all the rest of "real" hardcore. Look, I respect what they did to make what I listen to what I listen to, but I still don't like most of it. I don't pretend to be scene or any **** like that, I go to shows cause I like the music, not because I try to prove how hardcore I am unlike most of the kids in the "scene" these days.

LedZeppelin
12-05-2005, 09:38 PM
^ Always a good approach. I think that's actually the reason some people think metalcore is such a joke- all the scene kids, not the music itself.

shai_savant
12-05-2005, 09:42 PM
It's funny because all "real" hardcore sucks except for Gorilla Biscuits, Shai Hulud and some Donnybrook. I guess I'm not cool enough to like all the rest of "real" hardcore. Look, I respect what they did to make what I listen to what I listen to, but I still don't like most of it. I don't pretend to be scene or any **** like that, I go to shows cause I like the music, not because I try to prove how hardcore I am unlike most of the kids in the "scene" these days.
that's not what i meant

what i meant was that if you made fun of dancing at a show with donnybrook for example...you probably would last long in the pit

just respect what other people like and you'll be fine and there won't be any fights(not just you in particular...i mean in general)

Cadd99
12-05-2005, 09:48 PM
that's not what i meant

what i meant was that if you made fun of dancing at a show with donnybrook for example...you probably would last long in the pit

just respect what other people like and you'll be fine and there won't be any fights(not just you in particular...i mean in general)

I'm not gonna lie - most of the shows I go to, the kids are (a) not really fans of the music and (b) try too hard to be "scene". They have no respect for "hardcore" because they aren't hardcore, and if they ever started up with me I'd be able to kick their asses because they're thin, weak emo boy-girls with girl pants and tight shirts.

I've been to shows where the kids meant what they were, and I wouldn't do it there, like you said - I wouldn't disrespect that - but at local shows with all these pussy scene poser schmucks, I could care less.

francoshade_uk
12-10-2005, 10:46 AM
Ok what is this? Why do people insult hardcore dancing on the internet you pussys?

They have never been to a real hardcore show (Dead after school, shark attack etc...)

the SCENE is your local bands and your music SCENE, just like you have a local rave SCENE, bmx SCENE, skate scene and gay scene lol whatever!

The scene is not your sisters pants and some hair extentions!


As for hardcore dancing, stop watching what the americans are filming because i swear half of them cant dance and just spazz out... dancing isnt about hurting people...

Metalheads allways seem to moan about hardcore dancing there just ignorant ****s

LedZeppelin
12-10-2005, 06:43 PM
That's because hardcore kids sometimes do it at metal shows.

Example: There was a thread about kids dancing during a Cryptopsy set. Honestly...Cryptopsy? What the shit?

shai_savant
12-11-2005, 12:49 AM
That's because hardcore kids sometimes do it at metal shows.

Example: There was a thread about kids dancing during a Cryptopsy set. Honestly...Cryptopsy? What the shit?
so i've seen moshing during hardcore bands...shut the **** up and get over it

StuartR
12-11-2005, 11:57 AM
Yeah there was moshing at Lamb Of God............oh right...

shai_savant
12-11-2005, 11:22 PM
Yeah there was moshing at Lamb Of God............oh right...
no i consider Lamb of God to be more metal

StuartR
12-12-2005, 07:03 AM
yeah me too, thats why i added the "oh right".

Its plain to see(hear?) that they are metal, theres just no hardcore in them with the exception of the odd breakdown.

LedZeppelin
12-12-2005, 05:48 PM
And the blatantly metalcore/hardcore vocals.

And the lack of metal lyrics.

And the commercialism.

And the overall metalcore sound.

They're more metal than a lot of metalcore bands but they're metalcore nonetheless. Even if I liked them, they still wouldn't be metal...

dead_kennedy
12-15-2005, 11:44 AM
im not really into hardcore dancing at all, ive seen it at a knuckle dust show once. but when hardcore bands come to my town, the kids just do it for a laugh and no one really takes it to heart.

but still, really intresting read. thanks :cheers:

MessikaN
12-17-2005, 10:53 PM
I hate hardcore dancing. When kids start a hardcore dancing circle at shows by me I do the robot, no joke. Then, if I'm feeling it, I start to breakdance. If you're gonna start a pussy pit, might as well act like a pussy.

i do the robot in the middle of pits every now and then, just for the laugh.

Opeth*rocks
12-18-2005, 06:26 PM
it kinda pisses me off that moshing was ment for metal and yet some people think thats its okay to mosh to rap

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
12-21-2005, 12:37 PM
Why hardcore kids should leave it up to the professionals. I want to see this guy at shows: http://media.putfile.com/Anis_Loopkicks_Germany

Cadd99
12-21-2005, 08:04 PM
Why hardcore kids should leave it up to the professionals. I want to see this guy at shows: http://media.putfile.com/Anis_Loopkicks_Germany
Yeah, um... I can do that.

SilentSpectacle
12-21-2005, 08:10 PM
Why hardcore kids should leave it up to the professionals. I want to see this guy at shows: http://media.putfile.com/Anis_Loopkicks_Germany

:p: :D

Combat
12-22-2005, 08:17 PM
And the blatantly metalcore/hardcore vocals.

And the lack of metal lyrics.

And the commercialism.

And the overall metalcore sound.

They're more metal than a lot of metalcore bands but they're metalcore nonetheless. Even if I liked them, they still wouldn't be metal...
disagree. first of all commercialism has nothing to do with genre. second, their lyrics are considered metal to me because they are overly pissed off and dark sounding. too much to be metalcore. TO ME the vox also sound metal, but i can see where youre coming from with the vox since they dont sound like any metal band's vox. And they definately dont have an overall metalcore sound. i dont know any metalcore band that has that kind of song structure or guitar tone or guitar and drumwork.
so therefore id say they have a genre-breaking metal band that really cant be classified.

Scourge441
01-13-2006, 08:57 PM
Does anyone here know the history of the stupid "Watch me flail my arms and legs as I fight invisible ninjas" hardcore dancing?

http://myspace.com/stophardcoredancing

Cadd99
01-13-2006, 10:09 PM
Does anyone here know the history of the stupid "Watch me flail my arms and legs as I fight invisible ninjas" hardcore dancing?

http://myspace.com/stophardcoredancing
We can only speculate...

nightsk8er
01-16-2006, 02:06 AM
wow u guys who hate it r jackasses and should just leave those who want to actually have fun at a hardcore show to have fun maybe those of u who are getting shoved around and are just trying to watch the show should umm............STAY AWAY FROM THE PIT!!!...so what if u guys think we look like idiots some of us just think u guys are idiots for just shaking ur heads and and laughin at those people who are having fun...u guys r the real idiots so just leave those who want to have fun alone and just go do something else to enjoy the show.....jackasses

_Clayman
01-22-2006, 03:08 AM
this just in:

bands like it when you stand there and stare at them for their whole set and bob your head slightly, mouthing the words

no...really....try it..everyone

[T]ANK
01-26-2006, 10:19 PM
wow u guys who hate it r jackasses and should just leave those who want to actually have fun at a hardcore show to have fun maybe those of u who are getting shoved around and are just trying to watch the show should umm............STAY AWAY FROM THE PIT!!!...so what if u guys think we look like idiots some of us just think u guys are idiots for just shaking ur heads and and laughin at those people who are having fun...u guys r the real idiots so just leave those who want to have fun alone and just go do something else to enjoy the show.....jackasses

...... aymen to that!

psychodelia
02-13-2006, 09:39 PM
Why hardcore kids should leave it up to the professionals. I want to see this guy at shows: http://media.putfile.com/Anis_Loopkicks_Germany

This is why I concentrate on the music aspect.... because I can't dance. Wowie. Imagine being able to play guitar while doing that?

hxckidd
02-16-2006, 06:56 PM
all of you haters out there need to just shut and go listen to your f$ckin gay bands and suck each other's f$ckin manmarbles

Cadd99
02-16-2006, 08:57 PM
this just in:

bands like it when you stand there and stare at them for their whole set and bob your head slightly, mouthing the words

no...really....try it..everyone
We're not saying to not move at all. We're saying to mosh or really slam dance and not do the gay "hardcore dancing" **** that goes on at all those pussy hardcore concerts today.

its been said
02-17-2006, 08:32 PM
alright, why are you guys complaining that its so pussy, yoru the ones standing on the side who get kicked in the face, thats such a loser attitude "ow he hit me... what a pussy" think about what the word means....

and serioulsy just leave it alone if you dont like it, or get in there and do your whole mosh thing into them and see what happens

yeah your right though there are alot of kids ruining it with thier sisters pants and stuff, im proud to say ive never been in a girls pants, and none of my friends wear them either and hardly anyone i see in the pit do anymore, the ones that look the most "scene" arnt usally the one dancing whenever im there

bands i think are ruining it
atreyu
avenged sevenfold
as i lay dying

and those are the ones with the most attention, which.. whatever its life punk got overcommercilized and died to and i dont think theres any stopping it

[T]ANK
02-17-2006, 11:35 PM
enuf talk about if hardcore dancing being cool or not cool!!!!!!!
To those of you who do dance, whats your favorite thing to do, waht are you realy good at.(ex. triple-diple spin kicks, 2-steppin so awsome peoples faces melt, etc.)?????????

shai_savant
02-18-2006, 01:00 AM
gay

Gomorrah
02-18-2006, 01:13 AM
ANK']enuf talk about if hardcore dancing being cool or not cool!!!!!!!
To those of you who do dance, whats your favorite thing to do, waht are you realy good at.(ex. triple-diple spin kicks, 2-steppin so awsome peoples faces melt, etc.)?????????

Haha, I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

Vital remains
02-18-2006, 02:59 AM
Hardcore dancing is gay. It looks retarded. I can respect moshing. Ive seen many horrible horrible horrible injuries. Lost eyes, broken bones, ect

francoshade_uk
02-18-2006, 04:55 PM
By the comments in this topic its proof you all don't know what hardcore dancing is

Its not acting as a ninja as you all say, Yeah that is gay when people just flail there bodies in any direction they can!

Two stepping, floorpunching, picking up change etc... is whats done at GOOD, REAL hardcore shows with the odd swing and stomp and throwing back punchs lol but its all fun

I don't like it when metal kids asume hardcore is a scene thing and been gay or acting like a ninja as you put it is a hardcore thing... Its not!

Also the good thing about hardcore dancing is one person can two step where as one person cant mosh or do a push pit whattever you BR00TAL metal kids do

Yeah you all don't care piss off and listen to Nile you ignorant ****s lol

If this make no sense its because im on crack!

shai_savant
02-18-2006, 07:17 PM
^this is true

[T]ANK
02-19-2006, 12:31 AM
If this make no sense its because im on crack!

LOL!

SilentSpectacle
02-19-2006, 12:56 AM
I have so much respect for actual hardcore dancing.

I'm just having an arguement for which ones stupider:

Punching and kicking the air (lolz scene hardcore dancing)
or
Punching and kicking random people in the face (moshing)

Legend88
02-24-2006, 01:14 AM
Sometimes at local shows I just stand back and laugh at the 2 people "hardcore dancing". Then I resumed getting knocked down and kicked while moshing again.

johnnynemo
02-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Does anyone here know the history of the stupid "Watch me flail my arms and legs as I fight invisible ninjas" hardcore dancing?

http://myspace.com/stophardcoredancing

I first saw the whole "kickboxing" dancing start out with the "metal-core" band Integrity, in the early 90s.
Dwid and some of the members of Integrity were into kung fu, and thanked their kung fu instructors on their CDs.
Soon enough, their fans started studying it themselves.
Soon the pits at their shows started looking like bad kung fu films.

Then, in 1993, the movie "Only The Strong" came out.
It featured the Brazilian martial art "capoera", which mixes fight moves with dance moves.
Then the kids started doing that and it evolved into fighting the invisible ninjas.

xxgenocide98xx
02-28-2006, 05:00 PM
The only problems I have with dancing, moshing, whatever, is when it effects other people (like by hitting innocents) or when its inappropreate- as in when you have idiots trying to DANCE in a Cryptopsy pit.

Another retarded things are hardcore gangs like FSU, which are total ****. I don't really know of any metal-related gangs who go from show to show fighting, beating, and destroying people, venues, and equipment. All I know is some day a kid is going to take a stand, go walk to his car and get his Mac 11 and kill a bunch of FSU wannabe thug douchebags and they might learn a thing or two about what its like to be a gangster.

This shouldn't turn into an arguement about HARDCORE vs METAL because they are two different things- personally I think they should stay seperate and labels should stop booking metal, hardcore and metalcore bands together all the time.

I've been to about a dozen ish more obscure metal shows- not alot of underground bands stop by here frequently and I've never been attacked or assaulted for anything. I've never seen anyone beat for anything other than their own stupidity.

I've been two TWO hardcore shows and both times I've ended up walking away after fighting with some dip**** because he kicked me in the side of the head while I was trying to get along like a decent bystander. I didn't invade his space, I didn't flail around, I didn't do ****, these scenesters tried to single me out and got their asses handed to them for it.

I don't care if its emo, hardcore, screamo, metalcore, whatever, if you hardcore dance you're scene, and if you're scene you're a ****ing moron. If you want to be a moron, do it in the privacy of your OWN homes or establishments and stay out of my shows and my venues where I want to have fun without being assaulted by idiocy and invisable ninjas.

EDIT:

I myself have never even heard of hardcore dancing before it became a trendy thing to do about 2-3 years ago. I havent heard of anyone having a problem with true hardcore fans dancing because it appears that they can do it respectfully and properly- I guess thats why I didnt hear a single complaint about it for such a long time (I've been into hard music my whole life- since I was a toddler I've been listening to metal) until a bunch of scene kids take somethign tolerable, good and apparantly meaningful and turn it into ****.

So if you hardcore guys, true hardcore people, whatever you are, don't want to be labeled with a bunch of scenesters my best suggestion would be to beat the **** out of these idiots next time you see them ****ing up. Show everyone what you are REALLY about and make the right impressions before people like myself are subject to generalizations and outrage at these posers being this way.

I'd be glad to sit and talk to any reasonable hardcore guy- I have no problem with em at all. I just don't like scenesters kicking my head, kids, pregnant women, or disabled people (like I have seen).

So stand up and make a name for yourselves- let the truth be heard and seperate yourselves from the scenester bull**** that goes on.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
02-28-2006, 05:36 PM
So if you hardcore guys, true hardcore people, whatever you are, don't want to be labeled with a bunch of scenesters my best suggestion would be to beat the **** out of these idiots next time you see them ****ing up. Show everyone what you are REALLY about and make the right impressions before people like myself are subject to generalizations and outrage at these posers being this way.


But surely that just makes us as bad as them? Indeed they do it to bystanders but fights at shows are just incredibly stupid, if there's any band that I respect for stopping it it's Fugazi. If they saw people dancing etc they got them thrown out of the club/venue. But these days with the invasion of fashioncore kids it would be impossible to kick them all out. I do dance on occasion but it's never kicks or anything like that, those things are just stupid because most people can't control their leg once it's in the air (at least if I did, i've done karate for over 10 years and have decent control). I two step and pick up change at shows (the dance thing, i'm not THAT broke yet :p: ), it's in time to the music and is an expression as all dancing should be.

Also just to bring up your point about beating up people that do dance, that's almost what the FSU is like yet you claim to hate them. They beat the crap out of kids for dancing even if they don't hit people, unless they're a member of the FSU. Also you'll be pleased to know that some kid DID fight back and shot a member of the FSU in the face when he had his car window smashed with a machete and was told 'Are you reading to fucking die?'

ynxyg
02-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Ya know the thing with "Hardcore" dancing that some scene kids do is that they tend to ruin other audiances concert experiances by getting spin kicked in the head.

You wanna dance? fine go ahead , just DONT fcking ruin other peoples show just cause you want to be a selfish prick and take up a lot of the floor.

At least with a Pit you know where its forming or where its at and you can avoid it, with the air ninjas you dont always know where its gonna form and avoid every punch and kick and the fact that they are doing SPIN KICKs in a crowded room shows how little concern they have towards other audiance members.




SPIN KICKS IN A CROWDED ROOM = BAD JUDGEMENT

xxgenocide98xx
02-28-2006, 07:08 PM
But surely that just makes us as bad as them? Indeed they do it to bystanders but fights at shows are just incredibly stupid, if there's any band that I respect for stopping it it's Fugazi. If they saw people dancing etc they got them thrown out of the club/venue. But these days with the invasion of fashioncore kids it would be impossible to kick them all out. I do dance on occasion but it's never kicks or anything like that, those things are just stupid because most people can't control their leg once it's in the air (at least if I did, i've done karate for over 10 years and have decent control). I two step and pick up change at shows (the dance thing, i'm not THAT broke yet :p: ), it's in time to the music and is an expression as all dancing should be.

Also just to bring up your point about beating up people that do dance, that's almost what the FSU is like yet you claim to hate them. They beat the crap out of kids for dancing even if they don't hit people, unless they're a member of the FSU. Also you'll be pleased to know that some kid DID fight back and shot a member of the FSU in the face when he had his car window smashed with a machete and was told 'Are you reading to fucking die?'

The fights at shows are a byproduct of their craptastic dancing. I honestly could care less if it was eachother they were kicking. I don't even mind it if it doesn't randomly break out in the middle of a crowd- they should keep it to the back or to the side or IN THEIR PIT, not hitting innocents. My problem isnt with the people who enjoy dancing around like idiots- thats fine by me. I just don't like people hurting other people for no reason. Once that happens its all free game.

It wouldn't be a good thing to kick their asses but if they hit you- which they have to, I 've never accidentally kicked someone in the face before- its well deserved. I'd personally rather have them throw out than beat up any day, but when it comes down to it I see more people being hurt against their will by this dancing (the wrong dancing- there are acceptable non-lethal hardcore dances like you mentioned) than moshing, which is voluntairy (or however its spelled..) or anything, yet moshers are thrown out constantly and these Dancers get to stay.

About the FSU- I've heard about them, I've seen them myself (it wasnt even a dominantly hardcore show..) and I've seen the bull**** they pull. I'm personally against any kind of organized civil violence, such as gangs, I think they're ****. THEY need the **** knocked out of them. I could care less what color you're wearing or whatever, if you dance like an idiot you dance like an idiot.. All these crews prove is that weak people need numbers to beat on people who are doing nothing other than sticking up for themselves. I heard about the murder incident and I believe the guy was justified to do it. If someone broke my windsheild and was trying to kill me I'd do the same thing to him. Honestly I'm waiting for these kids to mess with the wrong group of people so they learn their lesson. Down in LA or in bigger cities it might be easier to intimidate but up here in the northwest or something we have alot of skinheads and rednecks who stick together and the FSU generally stays away from alot of our shows.. its not a good thing but I'm safer with the skinheads, who will beat youra ss if you're an idiot, rather than the FSU who beat your ass because you arent in the FSU.

I understand there are productive forms of hardcore dancing- there are exceptions and as stupid as I may think or believe they are (no offense) they arent BAD by any means- I personally don't dance at all- no ballet, no line dancing or tap dacing or clubs, no slow dancing.. nothing, I just never liked it.. but I still respect it, just like I respect the acceptable forms of hardcore dancing (the ones where you dont bludgeon people until they bleed or leave)

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
02-28-2006, 07:25 PM
I can understand your point perfectly but fights are mainly between kids who like to act and talk tough when they have nothing to back it up with. Granted dancing does occasionally come into that but not always.

I also agree with you about the civil violence and the whole crews thing, I detest them and see them as no better than the bloods of the crips. It really does give hardcore a bad name but the problem is a lot of the FSU groups are not overtly violent and the small core of militant members gives the whole lot a bad name. But then again if they didn't exist we wouldn't get that problem. Most crews started out with good intentions such as getting nazi's out of the scene and out of shows, they have no place in hardcore (granted this is partly my own political belief but then again, I feel that most people would agree with me). But it just turned into kicking out and beating up everyone that they feel was not 'hardcore' enough or wasn't good enough to be in the hardcore scene.


I understand there are productive forms of hardcore dancing- there are exceptions and as stupid as I may think or believe they are (no offense) they arent BAD by any means- I personally don't dance at all- no ballet, no line dancing or tap dacing or clubs, no slow dancing.. nothing, I just never liked it.. but I still respect it, just like I respect the acceptable forms of hardcore dancing (the ones where you dont bludgeon people until they bleed or leave)

Oh come on, I can just imagine you donning some cowboy boots, tight jeans and a tassely shirt with a nice big cowboy hat. It'd suit you down to the ground :p:

xxgenocide98xx
02-28-2006, 08:46 PM
I'm a clean shaven long blonde haired metalhead.. If you throw me in a decent looking shirt and some pants it'd look like I was heading to go clubbing or something :D I'm not a very stereotypical person at all. Though I do wear boots they're nowhere near the ****-kickers that I've seen locally. I'm from a relatively small suburb but my family mainly lives in the country- haha.

The whole idea of gangs and crap sucks, I agree wholeheartedly with your stance on the dancing and the crews- and the violence. I also understand the deal with the skinheads- they're really just a bunch of gun toating muscleheads that are no fun at all. Neither are the hardcore crews and the troubles they bring. As true as stereotypes and stuff are all they bring is violence. Too bad people arent intelligent enough to seperate and form opinions on each person rather than judging a whole group by the actions of a select few..

I have a feeling that alot of this crap would work out better and alot of the negative sentiments would fade if club/venue owners would pay more attention to these things and not let them escalate- also if people were to have more respect for eachother than to wildly flail themselves around because its the cool thing to do. All in all there needs to be more responsibility and accountability in this. Bouncers and bands need to pay more attention to the people harming eachother.. More people need to take a stand against violence in the music scene.. Its hard I suppose to say "dont kill eachother" when you're in a hardcore or metal band, but its true. The best way to have a good time is when people respect eachother. Like in pits, you might be agressive, or even angry, but when someone gets knocked down its your job to help em up so they don't get trampled and help them out if need be, so they don't get hurt worse.

Wish people would be better.. but then again if that were true we'd have the perfect utopian socieoty right? haha.


You sound like a pretty cool guy and its nice to see someone who is (or was) really into hardcore that is so level-headed. :cheers:

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
03-01-2006, 07:33 AM
I'm a clean shaven long blonde haired metalhead.. If you throw me in a decent looking shirt and some pants it'd look like I was heading to go clubbing or something :D I'm not a very stereotypical person at all. Though I do wear boots they're nowhere near the ****-kickers that I've seen locally. I'm from a relatively small suburb but my family mainly lives in the country- haha.


Haha definatly fit for line-dancing then ;)


The whole idea of gangs and crap sucks, I agree wholeheartedly with your stance on the dancing and the crews- and the violence. I also understand the deal with the skinheads- they're really just a bunch of gun toating muscleheads that are no fun at all. Neither are the hardcore crews and the troubles they bring. As true as stereotypes and stuff are all they bring is violence. Too bad people arent intelligent enough to seperate and form opinions on each person rather than judging a whole group by the actions of a select few..


Yeah it is a pity, but it's human nature to tar everyone with the same brush as it were. It's something that I think everyone should try working towards (being more open-minded and not tarring everyone with the same brush) but most people are content enough with passing judgement on people whom they do not know.


I have a feeling that alot of this crap would work out better and alot of the negative sentiments would fade if club/venue owners would pay more attention to these things and not let them escalate- also if people were to have more respect for eachother than to wildly flail themselves around because its the cool thing to do. All in all there needs to be more responsibility and accountability in this. Bouncers and bands need to pay more attention to the people harming eachother.. More people need to take a stand against violence in the music scene.. Its hard I suppose to say "dont kill eachother" when you're in a hardcore or metal band, but its true. The best way to have a good time is when people respect eachother. Like in pits, you might be agressive, or even angry, but when someone gets knocked down its your job to help em up so they don't get trampled and help them out if need be, so they don't get hurt worse.


Some clubs have banned bands and people from wearing FSU, Boston Beatdown etc t-shirts but unfortunatly it's not strongly enforced. Most bouncers won't screw around with kids wearing these shirts as they know what the repercussions could be. There was a Terror show where a bunch of kids ended up jumping the bouncers and destroying the club because someone was removed for wearing an FSU shirt. There was also a case when a club told Sworn Enemy and Most Precious Blood that they were not allowed to play if they continued to wear their FSU and Boston Beatdown shirts. This didn't go down well as the bands refused to remove them so they didn't play and the kids that attended felt screwed over and rightly so in my view. When bands refuse to adhear to club rules it really is a sad state of affairs that they'd rather screw over their fans than take off a t-shirt. I can agree with standing up for what you believe but you can take it too far.

I definatly agree with your point about bands telling kids to be sensible when enjoying the show. But unfortunatly with the amount of tough-guy bands around now they get off on the whole fights at shows, kids throwing kicks into the crowd etc. It's a sad state of affairs and I hope the new fad of wanting kids to get beaten up at shows stops sooner rather than later. Madball are a tough-guy band but they don't promote dancing or beating kids up, they just sing about what life is like on the streets and I have no problem with that. I shall now quote a Good Clean Fun song which everyone who dances should adhear to:

The 11th Commandment

They say that 'dancing is a way of life,
and all the untough had better think twice'
Well I'm not going to take it sitting down anymore
It's time that we took back the dance floor
Let's hear it for the boy who'll say
'Get this macho tough guy shit away'
The scene is just like a small town
And we don't want your kind around
If we sit back and blindly follow the crowd
There will be soon no dancing allowed
And I think we all know there's no excuse
Did we learn nothing from Footlose?



You sound like a pretty cool guy and its nice to see someone who is (or was) really into hardcore that is so level-headed. :cheers:


Cheers man, you too. I've seen you around in the metal forum and you came across as a bit of an arse, but you've more than redeemed yourself in here :cheers:

texas78621
03-01-2006, 11:24 PM
Mike Marine did not invent slamdancing. I find it hard to believe that X-Head invented anything .

shai_savant
03-14-2006, 11:55 PM
For ****s sakes people who do that are so stupid. There were f-ing hardcore mtv kids at the Opeth show I went to and they stood around the entire time until Opeth played The Grand Conjuration, cause they have a video for that song. Then these kids started their stupid hardcore dancing, and they pretty much got their asses kicked by everyone. And they were confused when the song lasted for 10 minutes, cause the video is edited down to five. morons. i feel sorry for the Opeth fan who couldnt get a ticket cause these idiots were there.

P.S. I also realize that not every single person who listens to hardcore is the same as the idiots that I am talking about, so dont get pissed off at me.
there just confused, they needed to be set straight

Paint
03-20-2006, 07:28 PM
that was a good article. not that i'm ever going to talk that indepth about hardcore dancing...

its sweet when guys pick up change and floor punch.

2 stepping is gay. ninja kicks are gay. flailing arms are gay.

thats about it.

Sandrix
03-21-2006, 03:51 AM
A friend of mine was in that stupid circle were they run around and hit each other and he had a deniem jacket on with massive as spikes

When he came out he had blood on the spikes... i feel sorry for the dudes who that blood belonged to.

9_11_4
03-23-2006, 05:35 AM
Yeah hardcore dancing is really quiet scary.. i went into the pit and made a total a$$ of myself because i didnt flail my arms wildly.. i did my own style of stuff.. and i was the only chick in the pit so i was getting looks.. Anyway people were paying me out the next day.. i need mosh tips for hardcore shows.. and not stay out of the pit.. i WANT to mosh.. i just dunno how..


oooh never wear heels or platform shoes in a pit
and never go barefoot

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
03-27-2006, 07:31 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7582430188737172751&q=Sick+Of+It+All

Learn it from the masters!

francoshade_uk
03-27-2006, 01:13 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7582430188737172751&q=Sick+Of+It+All

Learn it from the masters!



Mad respect for you... Looks like some people on here do have a clue and don't just make up there own bull **** opinion on something they know nothing about

I remember getting NTL or SKY or something ages ago in 2001 and this video was on one of the music channel, I had no idea what on earth was happening

Ibanez_Bassist
03-30-2006, 06:43 AM
I was at a Hardcore show. Anyway people were kneeling while other people would launch off them onto people. Long story short I was up the front enjoying myself until someone landed on me. I punched him in the back a few times because it was the only thing I could reach. He didn't end up doing it again.

bloodstained
03-30-2006, 09:16 AM
as i've said. if pits were full of capoeira and gymnastic dominators, hardcore shows would be full of fun and excitement.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
04-07-2006, 05:59 PM
This is the best video ever: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O1WUwB4YGag

Edit: I've now been awake for 42 hours, I feel like shit and the amount of caffiene i've ingested is probably enough to give me heart palpitations. Woo coffee! I think it's time for me to hit the hay.

9_11_4
04-07-2006, 07:07 PM
This is the best video ever: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O1WUwB4YGag



man he owns.. i was expecting it to be piss poor, but that kid is a really good dancer.,.. im gunna learn from him

wat???
04-09-2006, 08:46 PM
when u say skanking.....is that the same as it was back then as it is today?????

Citiz3n 3ras3d
04-10-2006, 02:16 AM
Alright.I'm just gonna say this first:I know more or less nothing about True "Moshing(Or any of it's,Iunno,'forms,'I guess?)" the scene, or any of that.I've been to no hardcore shows.The only show I've been to where I've been in a pit was the Bayside show I was at last night(Don't hate) and I just have a question.

When Bayside actually came on,a rather Large pit opened up, and I saw Skanking,Two-Stepping,Picking-Up Change,all of that(I myself was doing some Skanking.).There was little to no what is considered 'Moshing' today(I.E. the flailing,ramming into people,the invisible Ninja,ect.)except for when some Skinhead(I'm guessing he was a skinhead,since,ya know,he was shaved.) just ran right into people,even when they were down/getting back up(He actually knocked my in the face once,I think.)Of course,people were cool and always helping eachother up and stuff,but my main question is,from reading this thread,am I to assume "true" moshing/Hardcore dancing is the skanking,two-stepping,ect.,and what is considered "Moshing" today is the being a fuckwad and just ramming into people,appendages flailing?

(Please note,I'm only 13,and I'm only starting to get into 'Hardcore'[Well,Bayside is far from Hardcore,but,it's the dancing that we're talking about] So I know nothing about anything,really.)

Thanks alot. :)

texas78621
04-10-2006, 12:58 PM
If any of you haven't seen The Decline of Western Civilization (Part 1 only) then I really recommend it; it's not on dvd yet, but there are lots of inexpensive copies of copies floating about on ebay.

SilentSpectacle
04-12-2006, 06:40 PM
PiNk_ThE_pUnK: This is the best video ever: [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=O1WUwB4YGag

quite possibly the funniest **** ever .

We need a showdown between this kid and the asian martial art kickers.

somepunkkid
04-16-2006, 02:13 PM
ANK']enuf talk about if hardcore dancing being cool or not cool!!!!!!!
To those of you who do dance, whats your favorite thing to do, waht are you realy good at.(ex. triple-diple spin kicks, 2-steppin so awsome peoples faces melt, etc.)?????????

Do you like sucking dicks too?

sponj
04-16-2006, 06:02 PM
I believe this (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=7103249)
is a "true" moshpit while dropkicking and beating the crap out of eachother is just stupid.

But i know nothing about hardcore or hardcore origins. I just think it's better to mosh than fight.

EDIT: sorry bad vid. that's pretty hardcore too.. I ment just like circle whatever, where you just push and shoulder bump eachother

becker009
04-23-2006, 08:17 PM
dancing is soooooooo fun
circle pits are also fun
NOT FUN: crowd moshing

shai_savant
04-24-2006, 12:36 AM
dancing is soooooooo fun
circle pits are also fun
NOT FUN: crowd moshing
what the **** is crowd moshing and if it's when people jump into the crowd then shut up get used to it or don't stand there

xAestheticx
04-24-2006, 05:48 PM
what the **** is crowd moshing and if it's when people jump into the crowd then shut up get used to it or don't stand there
Crowd moshing, also known as push pits, are when the whole crowd starts pushing and the circle pit gets filled in. They're stupid but usually only last for a minute or two.

_Clayman
04-24-2006, 05:51 PM
dummies

crowd moshing is when you're doin your dance routine but you decide to kick and swing into the non-moshing crowd

xAestheticx
04-24-2006, 06:14 PM
No that's called crowd smashing or crowd killing.

DBS_KICKS_ASS
05-10-2006, 09:52 PM
so, what the hell is picking up change?

LedZeppelin
05-10-2006, 09:54 PM
bump

:haha

SilentSpectacle
05-10-2006, 09:57 PM
so, what the hell is picking up change?
Grabbing invisible pennies off the ground. Similar to floorpunching.

SilentSpectacle
05-10-2006, 09:58 PM
you guys are unbelievable

Believe it!

DBS_KICKS_ASS
05-10-2006, 10:02 PM
ok thats what i though, but how is it different from floorpunching, wouldnt it look exactly the same?

SilentSpectacle
05-11-2006, 01:20 AM
Well, when you punch you have a clenched fist, when you're picking up something, you don't.
I said they were similar...haha.

Craigo
06-12-2006, 12:13 PM
Your ruining one of the best threads in the entire forum. Stop it.

Papa Smurf
06-13-2006, 09:04 AM
Circle pits suck.
they doo specially when ppl fall and others dont help them up but push more ppl on top of them....

_Clayman
06-22-2006, 02:55 PM
circle pits are the **** but hardly anyone does them anymore

in this era of fashion over passion i guess its not cool to run around in front of your girlfriend who looks like a 12 year old boy

the scene is going to hell

SilentSpectacle
07-01-2006, 06:43 PM
circle pits are the **** but hardly anyone does them anymore

the scene is going to hell

Circle pits are still alive around these parts.
We can manage to start 4 or 5 per show.

MANATEEN
07-01-2006, 06:59 PM
circle pits > everything

SilentSpectacle
07-01-2006, 07:03 PM
circle pits > everything

Definetely.

Circle Pits > Two-step > Hardcore Dancing
in my opinion.

I don't hate any of them, just circle pits are so much fun.

MANATEEN
07-01-2006, 08:24 PM
ya so i was a warped and I was 2 steppin during ETID, and some dude straight up punches me in the back of the head, and runs, and some fellow hc kid jumps in the air and destroys the dudes face for me, it was funny, the dude just went down, they pulled him out of the pit, and never saw him again

that1dude
07-01-2006, 11:33 PM
well...after reading that i think im staying to the metal forum. just kidding. i kinda wondered over here to talk about the new LoG song and found this. interesting read. not sur ehow acurate it is but i cant disprove anythign so hey. personally im not a fan of hardcore dancing. i think it looks kinda stupid. although i love a metal pit and im sure alota people think thats stupid so im not here to bash. and as far as circle pits go, i live outside of richmond virginia and go to shows all over VA(mostly metal shows but some hardcore). we do circle pit alot.....usually its at the begining of a song that has one of those building feelings to it. like 45 seconds of tem picking or something then into a thrashy riff. we usually run around in a circle then just push in every which direction once the thrashy riff starts. always fun although i havent seen it as much the past few shows ive been to. im thinking its more of a metal thing anywayz.

MANATEEN
07-02-2006, 12:00 PM
^ if you want circle pits go to a Darkest Hour show, isnt the VA scene known for their violent dancing?

SilentSpectacle
07-02-2006, 01:47 PM
ya so i was a warped and I was 2 steppin during ETID, and some dude straight up punches me in the back of the head, and runs, and some fellow hc kid jumps in the air and destroys the dudes face for me, it was funny, the dude just went down, they pulled him out of the pit, and never saw him again

Yeah. Two days ago this fat metalhead just straight up tackles me while i'm circlepitting so this fat ass random jockxcore guy decks him. It was pretty hilarious.

MANATEEN
07-02-2006, 05:36 PM
Yeah. Two days ago this fat metalhead just straight up tackles me while i'm circlepitting so this fat ass random jockxcore guy decks him. It was pretty hilarious.

haha most of those guys are always in front, because there mad people are dancing rather than moshing, so I save a headwalk for em..

that1dude
07-03-2006, 12:15 AM
^ if you want circle pits go to a Darkest Hour show, isnt the VA scene known for their violent dancing?

i havent heard anythign about us being more violent than anyone else. i just assumed that we were the same as all others....but idk....ill ask some people. and again i dont knwo as much about dancing than i do moshing. darkest hour play around here alot. i went to one show but left b4 they came on because i saw the band i was there to see and no1 could have topped battlemasters performance that night.

bobjewell87
07-03-2006, 08:06 AM
god this is such a spoiled thread. Does any of this have anything to do with music? it's all just about ridiculous little cliques and 'scene's and genres. terrible, absolutely terrible

that1dude
07-03-2006, 12:41 PM
god this is such a spoiled thread. Does any of this have anything to do with music? it's all just about ridiculous little cliques and 'scene's and genres. terrible, absolutely terrible

actually its about "dancing" and "moshing" to the music that we listen to.

technicolour
07-11-2006, 02:32 AM
I love all this stuff, moshing,circle pits, hardcore dancing, and especially skanking.

Maybe that's just me, I feel the engery from the band and it makes me want to move (even though I can't hardcore dance for the life of me). It acutally takes the most "talent" even though some kids just flail arms there's more to it then that.

Anywho, if you don't like it don't get involved, and there's ways to "block" yourself from being accidentally hit, because it's not the easiest to keep your balance and stuff (especially if you suck) so someone could hit you on accident. And whenever that happens I apologize, or when someone falls in a pit you try and pick them up.

Now some people are jerks about it, probably have huge egos. But I think it just depends on who the person is not what they're doing. That's just my opinion though.

Very informative read by the way, good job.

MANATEEN
07-17-2006, 12:23 AM
^ there is nothing like a skank pit

grace13
07-18-2006, 05:54 PM
well...after reading that i think im staying to the metal forum. just kidding. i kinda wondered over here to talk about the new LoG song and found this. interesting read. not sur ehow acurate it is but i cant disprove anythign so hey. personally im not a fan of hardcore dancing. i think it looks kinda stupid. although i love a metal pit and im sure alota people think thats stupid so im not here to bash. and as far as circle pits go, i live outside of richmond virginia and go to shows all over VA(mostly metal shows but some hardcore). we do circle pit alot.....usually its at the begining of a song that has one of those building feelings to it. like 45 seconds of tem picking or something then into a thrashy riff. we usually run around in a circle then just push in every which direction once the thrashy riff starts. always fun although i havent seen it as much the past few shows ive been to. im thinking its more of a metal thing anywayz.

true. i go to those shows.. esp in NOVA. im not so sure if we're known for violent dancing. isn't that boston? but i do know that fredricksburg kids are getting just as violent. if VA was known for violent dancing, i didn't know.

MANATEEN
07-26-2006, 05:58 PM
well boston has most of the FSU dudes, and they are very violent

lazysurferbum
07-26-2006, 08:25 PM
i like to dance :peace:

Axe Miester
07-28-2006, 09:44 PM
Wow, I never knew that Vinnie Stigma came up with the term "mosh", and that it standed for "March Of Skin Heads".
I still think slam dancing sounds better though.

Interesting read there. Well written too, I might add;)
:D Vinnie Stigma didn't come up with MOSH (March of Skin Heads ?!). The Mob, with Jack on guitar, started it. His mom asked him how he wanted his potatoes and he replied "mosh them, mob style" and that's when the word 'mosh' was first uttered. They we're 'moshing' at A7 whilst Vinnie was still in the Eliminators and none of them had skin heads so that 'March Of Skins Heads' was just something that someone (possibly Vinnie) figured out after Jack's mom 'moshed' his potatoes, Mob style. :rolleyes:

Cal UK
08-04-2006, 08:07 AM
God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.

Exactly you summed up what everyone hates at gig perfectly. Why do you nedd to run like 100mph windmill what wrong with just jumping?

technicolour
08-04-2006, 01:29 PM
Exactly you summed up what everyone hates at gig perfectly. Why do you nedd to run like 100mph windmill what wrong with just jumping?

It's fun and exhilerating? I don't see how it affects people who don't want to that much. Unless they get hit, then an apology is in order of course:)

simonzwaan
08-24-2006, 02:10 PM
llol march of skin heads
mosh pits are awsome
one time the bouncer grabbed my arm
then im like" wtf, who grabs someone in a mosh pit?"
the i elbowed em

SilentSpectacle
08-25-2006, 01:32 AM
Mosh pits are fucking retarded.

StuartR
08-28-2006, 12:39 PM
Dancing is better than getting pushed about by a fat sweaty metalhead.

technicolour
08-28-2006, 05:34 PM
I've never been in a "metal mosh pit", just ones at punk shows..they were fun, I don't know about this whole punching people thing though?

BR00TAL
09-10-2006, 02:05 PM
I like to dance occasionally. Just if Im watching any good, tight 'Core' band and a breakdown kicks in my adrenaline just shoots. But it's all fun.

If im at a true Metal show though I like to just watch the band and observe the musicianship etc.

grimmxsleeper
09-17-2006, 03:02 AM
God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.

Hey bro, dont be so closed minded. True hardcore dancing isnt about hitting people or drop kicking each other. Its about having fun. No one likes a ****ty scene dancer....but you dont need to generalize. I like to dance, 2-step, whatever but i never hurt anyone. Generally what we do up in the MN region is form a different pit for the hardcore kids. If you want to circle pit, whatever, just go to the main pit. If you want to hardcore dance go to the other. Simple as that. No one gets hurt. But theres no need to hate on everyone for something some dumbass kids do. SOme of those kids are as bad as Paris Hilton or someone like that. Its not about the music for them, its about trying to be "unique" or whatever. I say its about having fun and enjoying the music, not trying to hurt people or just fit in or whatever.

sendmeapick
09-18-2006, 12:19 AM
what? hardcore dancing and pit fighting is great... if your into it then your into it... if you dont like it then let it be and watch the show... if you aint doing it then whats the problem?

BigFatSandwich
09-18-2006, 12:37 AM
what? hardcore dancing and pit fighting is great... if your into it then your into it... if you dont like it then let it be and watch the show... if you aint doing it then whats the problem?
the problem is I can't let it be and watch the show because when I try to do that, I get elbowed in the back by some kid doing a tazmanian devil impression with his eyes closed. it's just ****ing inconsiderate. maybe I wanna look at the lead player's hands to see how he plays a certain part of a difficult song?

Hey bro, dont be so closed minded. True hardcore dancing isnt about hitting people or drop kicking each other. Its about having fun. No one likes a ****ty scene dancer....but you dont need to generalize. I like to dance, 2-step, whatever but i never hurt anyone. Generally what we do up in the MN region is form a different pit for the hardcore kids. If you want to circle pit, whatever, just go to the main pit. If you want to hardcore dance go to the other. Simple as that. No one gets hurt. But theres no need to hate on everyone for something some dumbass kids do. SOme of those kids are as bad as Paris Hilton or someone like that. Its not about the music for them, its about trying to be "unique" or whatever. I say its about having fun and enjoying the music, not trying to hurt people or just fit in or whatever.
I'm not close minded, I just have opinions like everyone else. That's why I ended my little rant with "to each their own". I hate hardcore dancing, but I don't hate every hardcore dancer. I do hate the ones that don't respect the other people that paid to see a show, however.

grimmxsleeper
09-18-2006, 11:19 PM
I do hate the ones that don't respect the other people that paid to see a show, however.

true dat.
thats what im saying as well.
if your gonna partake you have to have to take responisibility not to hit people, especially those who dont wanna be involved.
thats what can sometimes give people like me a bad name.

Citiz3n 3ras3d
09-22-2006, 11:09 PM
^Yeah.Whenever I go into a pit I make sure I'm not near the edge or anything so I don't hit anyone not in the pit.

Anyway,has anyone ever made friends with people they've seen shows/been in a pit with?Every time I go with my friends to a show we see people that we've met at previous show and we all end up becoming mad tight.I guess it's the whole sense of brotherhood and stuff.

Anyone else have something like this?

shai_savant
09-23-2006, 02:01 AM
^Yeah.Whenever I go into a pit I make sure I'm not near the edge or anything so I don't hit anyone not in the pit.

Anyway,has anyone ever made friends with people they've seen shows/been in a pit with?Every time I go with my friends to a show we see people that we've met at previous show and we all end up becoming mad tight.I guess it's the whole sense of brotherhood and stuff.

Anyone else have something like this?

you make me speechless

xBloodToBleedX
09-29-2006, 06:18 PM
The first time I ever saw someone hxc dancing I couldn't help but laugh my ass off. It was the most retarded thing I'd ever seen. It's still pretty fun though. I tend to not do it at shows though for fear of getting punched in the face by some a-hole doing a windmill.

burritos2
10-08-2006, 10:49 PM
yeah running into people and banging your head is so much funner

no ****ing people up is funner

hxc_triple_og
10-10-2006, 01:31 PM
slam dancing moshing hardcore dancing all the same you go in have fun and it raises how much you love your show but the thing that gets me is when people go into pits looking for fights are the ones who swing as fast and violent as you can imagine and its usually little punks tryin to be big and bad i mosh slam dance harcore dance and circle pit and its all just good fun as long as their arent little punks tryin to fight and no pits of any sort should be at aiden and mcr and stupid emo stuff like that

br4vw
10-20-2006, 10:55 AM
Good article interesting read - Whilst im happy to 'pit' at a hardcore show it pains me to see this **** happening at other concerts. When 100's of scene kids start taking on the dance it turns from something unique into something horrible. I mean who wants to have to move out of the way and form a circle for a bunch of dickhead kids at a rock concert. The worst part is these kids(and sometimes not kids) have no idea and assume that the pit is about throwing yourself about aimlessly and eventually kicking or punching someone. People who 'know' how to pit don't go in there with the intention to hurt anyone and at a 'real' show there is usually **** all injuries.

xAestheticx
10-20-2006, 12:03 PM
slam dancing moshing hardcore dancing all the same you go in have fun and it raises how much you love your show but the thing that gets me is when people go into pits looking for fights are the ones who swing as fast and violent as you can imagine and its usually little punks tryin to be big and bad i mosh slam dance harcore dance and circle pit and its all just good fun as long as their arent little punks tryin to fight and no pits of any sort should be at aiden and mcr and stupid emo stuff like that
Use puncuation so I don't run out of breath trying to read that.

Oh um.

I LUB HXC D4NCINGG

jimmy_pop
10-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Im sorry. But I prefer to hardcore dance and mosh to hardcore/metalcore music as opposed to standing there banging my head to heavy metal. Come on loosen up and have fun.

seargentkitty
10-23-2006, 06:48 PM
REAL men do the wall of death

cut_up_angels
10-25-2006, 11:03 AM
^What's that supposed to mean? I'm a girl, and I think Wall of Death is awesome!

SATS
10-28-2006, 08:54 PM
You people disgust me this thread started with a very well written article on a very important part of a kickass scene (which has recently turned to **** but it ll blow over) and all you do is whine about how some scene follower upsets you when he tries to dance. Who cares grow up as far as i m concerned your as bad as him (except most of you know about music). He will grow up though feel stupid and will probably go to law school.

Arsenix
11-05-2006, 10:19 PM
I have to say, I love everything about hardcore, but the silly dancing where the pit should be is ridiculous. I can't even get up close and scream in the band's face nowadays without being stabbed in the face with some kid's elbow. Packed venues cut down on that stuff though so hunt out small rooms.

Oh and nice article, well written and informative, thanks much.

Cedence
11-05-2006, 11:44 PM
I have to say, I love everything about hardcore, but the silly dancing where the pit should be is ridiculous. I can't even get up close and scream in the band's face nowadays without being stabbed in the face with some kid's elbow. Packed venues cut down on that stuff though so hunt out small rooms.

Oh and nice article, well written and informative, thanks much.

I gotta disagree on this one. I see where you're coming from, but there's nothing wrong with a little dancing. Normal stuff, you know. I'm pretty ****ing sick of seeing Flying Ninja Spinkicks in the pit though. Nothing ruins a show like some sweaty, overweight meathead putting his foot in your stomach.

k90728
11-09-2006, 12:16 AM
Wall of Death is insane. Lamb of Gods Wall of death will make your ribs broken. Your legs black and blue and maybe a wallet stolen...

xAestheticx
11-27-2006, 02:23 PM
Oh, is that the case?

TJ_Blanchard
12-08-2006, 12:32 PM
I gotta disagree on this one. I see where you're coming from, but there's nothing wrong with a little dancing. Normal stuff, you know. I'm pretty ****ing sick of seeing Flying Ninja Spinkicks in the pit though. Nothing ruins a show like some sweaty, overweight meathead putting his foot in your stomach.


lmfao,Sweaty overweight meathead.:haha


i lubb me some HcX dacin.

xAestheticx
12-08-2006, 01:26 PM
I do kicks, but I don't do mid-air spink-kicks. The only kicks I do are when I'm clearing my line pre-breakdown.

dead_kennedy
12-08-2006, 03:00 PM
i try and 2 step. i fail haha.

SilentSpectacle
12-08-2006, 05:05 PM
I used to be really into hardcore dancing/2-stepping, until I had a really bad snowboarding accident and broke both my ankles, so they're still pretty sore. I've hung up my spinkicking shoes, but i'll 2-step if i'm really feeling it.

TJ_Blanchard
12-08-2006, 10:21 PM
I used to be really into hardcore dancing/2-stepping, until I had a really bad snowboarding accident and broke both my ankles, so they're still pretty sore. I've hung up my spinkicking shoes, but i'll 2-step if i'm really feeling it.



2 STEPPIN!?!?!

Whooo hooo!

SilentSpectacle
12-10-2006, 03:31 AM
^If that was supposed to be some kind of joke, not funny.

xAestheticx
12-14-2006, 02:09 PM
Two-stepping is my fav. I love it. Well I dunno. I enjoy just throwing it down too.

TJ_Blanchard
12-14-2006, 09:53 PM
Yea, whats wrong wit 2-stepping?

pshh.

Hitugaya Masato
12-19-2006, 08:44 PM
^___^

MetalheadA7X
12-23-2006, 09:21 PM
Hardcore dancing is all well and good if you don't involve people who don't want to do it.

I got my nose burst open a couple of weeks ago listening to Penknife Lovelife .. just because i was standing in the front next to the stage.

No reason what so ever.. may have been because i wasnt Scene enougth like every other ****er their.
A propper pit is good though. Heck if it's done properly hardcore is ok .. but these poser fags must be stopped.

xchrisx

gunfiend
12-23-2006, 11:03 PM
^ if you want circle pits go to a Darkest Hour show, isnt the VA scene known for their violent dancing?

i live in SWVA and i swear to god i hate it. im a 'metalhead' or whatever but i know that central VA and NVA have much better crowds. honestly this place is mired in the scenecore, ****ing retarded fashion shit. i can respect hardcore and everything but honestly these kids use it as an excuse to take their shirts off and jump around in front of all the girls. as for me, i love brutal music but i dont really get into the whole 'stand there and headbang' thing... its so boring... that cryptopsy hardcore dancing shit really pisses me off. im not here to bash but honestly, i think it needs to have its limits. the only thing i do at a show besides watch the band is mosh. yeah 'whats so fun about fighting sweaty overweight metalheads?' thats stupid, first off, that whole metalheads are overweight thing is really dumb, for obvious reasons, most metalheads are actually pretty muscular. i have seen some OBESE hardcore kids dance. pit fighting has a bad rep because some dumbasses abuse it by just using it as an excuse to fight people without getting in trouble. for me its just experiencing some fast, brutal ass shit , GETTING INTO THE MUSIC, and just kicking the shit out of people. i dont think ive ever felt as good as i did getting my nose busted and my ass kicked at a local death metal show (myspace.com/falsehope myspace.com/methadoneabortionclinic) i dont see the point of the ninja kicks and shit, honestly, picking up change? it looks retarded. why has the hardcore scene come up with organized dance rules? moshing has no standard, there are no moves you have to perfect, all you have to do is ****ing let out all that adrenaline and beat the shit out of people and get your ass kicked. im rambling on about this but no one really understands it. i guess a lot of people havent really experienced it :/

xAestheticx
12-23-2006, 11:07 PM
What the hell are you doing? You're coming into a hardcore dancing thread and bashing hardcore dancing, but bragging about how much you love to "mosh" and "get your ass kicked" to fast music?
Right. Stay in the metal forum please.

gunfiend
12-23-2006, 11:16 PM
What the hell are you doing? You're coming into a hardcore dancing thread and bashing hardcore dancing, but bragging about how much you love to "mosh" and "get your ass kicked" to fast music?
Right. Stay in the metal forum please.

i was replying to the va thing. and im not bragging dude i was spilling my opinion, i wasnt aware that was bragging at all.

jesus ****ing christ dude. you kids call the metal forum elitist. im out of here.

SilentSpectacle
12-24-2006, 07:03 AM
cryptopsy hardcore dancing shit really pisses me off.
:haha :haha :haha What the f'uck does Cryptopsy have to do with hardcore dancing

Cedence
12-24-2006, 04:50 PM
i live in SWVA and i swear to god i hate it. im a 'metalhead' or whatever but i know that central VA and NVA have much better crowds. honestly this place is mired in the scenecore, ****ing retarded fashion shit. i can respect hardcore and everything but honestly these kids use it as an excuse to take their shirts off and jump around in front of all the girls. as for me, i love brutal music but i dont really get into the whole 'stand there and headbang' thing... its so boring... that cryptopsy hardcore dancing shit really pisses me off. im not here to bash but honestly, i think it needs to have its limits. the only thing i do at a show besides watch the band is mosh. yeah 'whats so fun about fighting sweaty overweight metalheads?' thats stupid, first off, that whole metalheads are overweight thing is really dumb, for obvious reasons, most metalheads are actually pretty muscular. i have seen some OBESE hardcore kids dance. pit fighting has a bad rep because some dumbasses abuse it by just using it as an excuse to fight people without getting in trouble. for me its just experiencing some fast, brutal ass shit , GETTING INTO THE MUSIC, and just kicking the shit out of people. i dont think ive ever felt as good as i did getting my nose busted and my ass kicked at a local death metal show (myspace.com/falsehope myspace.com/methadoneabortionclinic) i dont see the point of the ninja kicks and shit, honestly, picking up change? it looks retarded. why has the hardcore scene come up with organized dance rules? moshing has no standard, there are no moves you have to perfect, all you have to do is ****ing let out all that adrenaline and beat the shit out of people and get your ass kicked. im rambling on about this but no one really understands it. i guess a lot of people havent really experienced it :/

In response to the "overweight etc etc", I said meatheads, not metalheads. Learn to fucking read. Your entire post jumps back and forth. You wasted your time typing that, when you could have summed up your point in a sentence or two. We get it. You dont like hardcore, you like metal. So go to the fucking metal forum. End of discussion.

I hate retards.

Jay_Russo
12-24-2006, 06:21 PM
Hardcore dancing is all well and good if you don't involve people who don't want to do it.

I got my nose burst open a couple of weeks ago listening to Penknife Lovelife .. just because i was standing in the front next to the stage.

No reason what so ever.. may have been because i wasnt Scene enougth like every other ****er their.
A propper pit is good though. Heck if it's done properly hardcore is ok .. but these poser fags must be stopped.

xchrisx
you are a nerd. that is all.

gunfiend
12-24-2006, 10:23 PM
In response to the "overweight etc etc", I said meatheads, not metalheads. Learn to fucking read. Your entire post jumps back and forth. You wasted your time typing that, when you could have summed up your point in a sentence or two. We get it. You dont like hardcore, you like metal. So go to the fucking metal forum. End of discussion.

I hate retards.

who the fuck said i was even referring to you? about 5 other people have commented about 'overweight metalheads' in this thread, so i was talking about that. and i was attempting to have a fucking discussion, as i said in the thread i wasnt here to bash im not trying to say 'oh hardcore is retarded' i am generally wondering to get my ideas out and kinda wanting people to take the time to respond to it not some retarded 'oh go to the metal forum dumbass' response. fucking idiot.

:haha :haha :haha What the f'uck does Cryptopsy have to do with hardcore dancing

read earlier in the thread there was a discussion on how hxc kids were dancing at a cryptopsy show.

Cedence
12-25-2006, 12:02 AM
who the fuck said i was even referring to you? about 5 other people have commented about 'overweight metalheads' in this thread, so i was talking about that. and i was attempting to have a fucking discussion, as i said in the thread i wasnt here to bash im not trying to say 'oh hardcore is retarded' i am generally wondering to get my ideas out and kinda wanting people to take the time to respond to it not some retarded 'oh go to the metal forum dumbass' response. fucking idiot.



I fail to see the words "overweight metalheads" in the past 3 pages of this thread. Sorry, you lose. And if you weren't bashing or making idiotic posts, nobody would be bitching at you. You came into the hardcore forum and began bashing hardcore dancing and other related topics. It's cool to state your opinion, but don't try to force it on others over and over again, dickhead.

jesus ****ing christ dude. you kids call the metal forum elitist. im out of here
Good, follow your own advice. Nobody wants you here.

AudioInjctdSoul
12-25-2006, 05:35 PM
Hardcore dancing is gay. ****ing scenesters with their little commando hats and bandanas practicing their dance moves in front of the mirror, get a life. If they had better attitudes I'd be fine with it but they're ****ing pricks at shows and try to **** with people who aren't "scene" enough for them. Can't stand it.

March of the Skin Heads...lmfao

xAestheticx
12-25-2006, 06:58 PM
Thanks for that.

DeadxWillxRise
12-25-2006, 08:55 PM
Yay floor punch :cheers:

bobjewell87
12-25-2006, 08:58 PM
*picks up change*

DeadxWillxRise
12-25-2006, 09:02 PM
*picks up change*
hhhhmmmmm......???? :confused:

SilentSpectacle
12-25-2006, 09:10 PM
*picks up change*
:haha at our show the other day we threw loads of change on the ground and had the people dancing pick it up :haha

shai_savant
12-26-2006, 02:35 AM
i don't think that most scene kids really care if you don't dress scene....besides the new fad is camo shorts

DeadxWillxRise
12-26-2006, 08:17 AM
i don't think that most scene kids really care if you don't dress scene....besides the new fad is camo shorts
I sometimes wear cammo shorts, I'm not a scene kid as such. And I certainly have no interest in looking like one.

:puke:

Gymmeh
12-26-2006, 09:25 AM
*picks up change*
Hahahahah.

Camo shorts I hate
Bright coloured basketball etc shorts I hate
Those ****ing "hardcore" hats... I hate
Nikes that heaps of people wear at hardcore shows, I hate


I always wear white shirts to shows now.
I love it.

I was rapt when I got a Daylight Curse shirt in white.
I wear jeans that are tight.
That's about all that I do that is "scene".


And when I'm in the pit, I stand head and shoulders above a sea of kids, because I'm 6'4". Kind of weird.

But then Tommy Dollars comes along, who's like 109842309842349 feet tall...

That's crazy to watch.. Tommy Dollars in a pit.
You can stand at the side of the venue, and glance across at the pit and see this massive unit like tits and above taller than every other person. So good.

And when he WALKS in circle pits, but still goes faster than little kids.



Pits are good.

xantonx
12-28-2006, 06:23 PM
I havent really read the whole thread BUT ,


hardcore has always had dancing/moshing (whatever you like to call it) and it has always been violent. GET USED TO IT OR DONT GO TO SHOWS

thats all i have to say. ill probably get flamed to death right now haha.

Thornography
12-29-2006, 11:21 PM
I havent really read the whole thread BUT ,


hardcore has always had dancing/moshing (whatever you like to call it) and it has always been violent. GET USED TO IT OR DONT GO TO SHOWS

thats all i have to say. ill probably get flamed to death right now haha.

I agree. I'm into both hardcore and metal, two totally different types of music, and each with their own type of dance, you don't dance the salsa at an A7X show, you don't dropkick someone at Metallica show. Simple.

insideac
12-29-2006, 11:26 PM
I havent really read the whole thread BUT ,


hardcore has always had dancing/moshing (whatever you like to call it) and it has always been violent. GET USED TO IT OR DONT GO TO SHOWS

thats all i have to say. ill probably get flamed to death right now haha.



There are some young kids who are getting into this music, that would like to go to shows, and parents wont let them because of people like you. THe shows dont HAVE to be violent, and if you cant resist, then make a small pit or something, dont spread it to the entire show. Some people like to watch the musicians, not beat other people up or potentially get hurt. Its not just little kids, but there are parents that go with them, and when they see people acting like animals and retards, even if its a slow song, then they probably wont le their kids attend another show, or at the maximum, not let them listen to that kind of music for fear that the kid will turn into an animal. Its all good and fun to mosh and crap yes, just dont say that you have to get used to it, and not to go to shows if you dont like it, because if that was the case, why dont YOU just stay home and let everyone stand quietly?

shai_savant
12-30-2006, 03:36 AM
There are some young kids who are getting into this music, that would like to go to shows, and parents wont let them because of people like you. THe shows dont HAVE to be violent, and if you cant resist, then make a small pit or something, dont spread it to the entire show. Some people like to watch the musicians, not beat other people up or potentially get hurt. Its not just little kids, but there are parents that go with them, and when they see people acting like animals and retards, even if its a slow song, then they probably wont le their kids attend another show, or at the maximum, not let them listen to that kind of music for fear that the kid will turn into an animal. Its all good and fun to mosh and crap yes, just dont say that you have to get used to it, and not to go to shows if you dont like it, because if that was the case, why dont YOU just stay home and let everyone stand quietly?
i don't think that you understand what he's talking about let alone understand the music because hardcore isn't meant for people to stand around and watch the musicians play there sweet solos and it's to the viewers discretion. if a little kid goes to a show he'll just live and learn

xantonx
12-30-2006, 11:42 AM
There are some young kids who are getting into this music, that would like to go to shows, and parents wont let them because of people like you. THe shows dont HAVE to be violent, and if you cant resist, then make a small pit or something, dont spread it to the entire show. Some people like to watch the musicians, not beat other people up or potentially get hurt. Its not just little kids, but there are parents that go with them, and when they see people acting like animals and retards, even if its a slow song, then they probably wont le their kids attend another show, or at the maximum, not let them listen to that kind of music for fear that the kid will turn into an animal. Its all good and fun to mosh and crap yes, just dont say that you have to get used to it, and not to go to shows if you dont like it, because if that was the case, why dont YOU just stay home and let everyone stand quietly?


i dont think people will stop dancing just cause some new-jacks dont want to get kicked in the face. it has always been this way, stagedives, headwalks, moshing and dancing.. people do get hurt.. and im saying this cause ive been kicked in the head and what not on shows. but i can also say that ive kicked people in the head by mistake and shit you know.. personally, hard dancing gets me pumped.


AND I LOVE IT!:dance:

insideac
12-30-2006, 03:11 PM
i don't think that you understand what he's talking about let alone understand the music because hardcore isn't meant for people to stand around and watch the musicians play there sweet solos and it's to the viewers discretion. if a little kid goes to a show he'll just live and learn



I know the music. I go to shows. Not once have I been hurt, and ive only moshed at like 2 shows that ive attended. One of those times, one of the kids would not stop going for me, so I drop kicked him. He cried, but I didnt care, he should have stopped. Point is, you shouldnt force the mosh upon other people. If they wanted to mosh, theyd be in the little pit or something, but you cant just go out of control. Its annoying to everyone.

camcraka911
12-30-2006, 04:27 PM
moshing and dancing should be for fun don't go in there be cause you're pissed or because you want to hurt some one go to shows to have fun i love to mosh stuff but i don't do it because i hate everyone i do it because it helps me enjoy the music

RaiLeff
01-10-2007, 06:15 PM
Wow!
Lol
That is really interesting ^^
Congrats on all
the info man
I've been slamdancin
All my life lolz
And never thought about
how it came

..::RaiLeff::.. [!]

AFireInside198x
01-10-2007, 07:26 PM
I go to a lot of "hardcore" shows down here in Erie, PA that bands like Full Blown Choas and Throwdown play, but it's mostly just "moshing". Sure a lot of people get hurt, but the bands even say that it's all about respect - if you knock someone dowm, you suppose to help them up. Shows are suppose to be fun and "moshing" is just one way to release the energy and vibe that the show has... I enjoy "moshing" a lot, but I don't two-step. This isn't why I don't, but where I live two-stepping is considered to be for "emo kids who are too pussy to mosh because they might get hurt and need a f*cking bandaid..." The "HxC scene" here also include a lot of "SxE (Straight-Edge)" kids too... I couldn't really care less if you prefer "moshing" or two-stepping I just thought I say how in PA the HxC sceen is very stereotypical in and out...

pmeg568c
01-10-2007, 07:32 PM
its fine as long as you have respect for those around you, otherwise you turn exponentially into a faggot.

shai_savant
01-10-2007, 08:21 PM
I know the music. I go to shows. Not once have I been hurt, and ive only moshed at like 2 shows that ive attended. One of those times, one of the kids would not stop going for me, so I drop kicked him. He cried, but I didnt care, he should have stopped. Point is, you shouldnt force the mosh upon other people. If they wanted to mosh, theyd be in the little pit or something, but you cant just go out of control. Its annoying to everyone.
i really don't think you get it

Matt.Chavie
01-14-2007, 08:22 PM
Has anyone on here ever gone to a heavier show where bands want kids to sit down and watch? The last few I've been to the singers requested people punching eachother and I quote " I wanna see a pit open up!" I think the bands promote hardcore dancing and moshing and all of those other forms of hurting random people.

kaktusnpoop
01-14-2007, 11:32 PM
Has anyone on here ever gone to a heavier show where bands want kids to sit down and watch? The last few I've been to the singers requested people punching eachother and I quote " I wanna see a pit open up!" I think the bands promote hardcore dancing and moshing and all of those other forms of hurting random people.

Sunn 0))) the dudes want the kids to lay down on the floor due to the fact that the music is so heavy that you can actually feel the vibrations in the floor

but they are no way near hardcore

Disco Vietnam
01-14-2007, 11:44 PM
Sunn 0))) the dudes want the kids to lay down on the floor due to the fact that the music is so heavy that you can actually feel the vibrations in the floor

but they are no way near hardcore
The split they released with Boris was incredible. Honest to god.

kaktusnpoop
01-14-2007, 11:55 PM
The split they released with Boris was incredible. Honest to god.

yeah Boris' side

but dude Sunn 0))) isn't music!! I understand drone, and I dig some Earth, but sunn come on!

Matt.Chavie
01-15-2007, 01:42 AM
Sunn 0))) the dudes want the kids to lay down on the floor due to the fact that the music is so heavy that you can actually feel the vibrations in the floor

but they are no way near hardcore

That would actually be fun to watch though.

Disco Vietnam
01-21-2007, 01:40 PM
yeah Boris' side

but dude Sunn 0))) isn't music!! I understand drone, and I dig some Earth, but sunn come on!
Yeah I gotcha. I have White 1 and White 2 and it's...noise? I don't know how to describe it really.

I must admit, it's good to fall asleep to!

VodkaPunk
01-24-2007, 05:53 AM
This is a good thread. I live in Huntington Beach too so that was interesting hearing about HBs hardcore background.

TDKshorty
02-01-2007, 10:32 AM
haha
I don't know
I dont really care for moshing, it's fun I guess, depending on the music
I do like to jump around and shit

check out "metal by numbers" by Brian Poshen
its hillarious "look at that scene kid trying out his karate moves"

SilentSpectacle
02-09-2007, 09:06 AM
check out "metal by numbers" by Brian Poshen
its hillarious "look at that scene kid trying out his karate moves"

god that video is so dumb.
i just hate that guy so much, his voice is so irritating.

Gymmeh
02-09-2007, 09:20 AM
A kid I barely know is in hospital tonight cause some girl was moshing with an ornate ring on, and got him just under his eye ball with it. Apparently it wasn't pretty.

SilentSpectacle
02-09-2007, 05:57 PM
^Just another reason why girls aren't allowed to dance.
Besides the fact that they immediately make themselves ugly by stepping in.

Spiritual_Cramp
02-16-2007, 04:15 AM
^Just another reason why girls aren't allowed to dance.
Besides the fact that they immediately make themselves ugly by stepping in.

my girlfriend dances. :)

SilentSpectacle
02-16-2007, 05:09 AM
^i'm so sorry :[

DeadxWillxRise
02-17-2007, 08:00 AM
my girlfriend dances. :)
So does mine, but not hardcore.

Spiritual_Cramp
02-21-2007, 08:15 AM
^i'm so sorry :[

:haha it's okay.

So does mine, but not hardcore.

There are several ways that one could misinterpret that. o_o

axe-maniac
02-28-2007, 01:53 AM
Is it ok if ur girlfriend does a sexy dance?

SilentSpectacle
03-02-2007, 02:19 AM
Is it ok if ur girlfriend does a sexy dance?
Only if she does it naked and videotapes it.

F-ing Hostile
03-06-2007, 08:53 AM
yeah running into people and banging your head is so much funner

yea it really is

emothic
03-08-2007, 11:03 AM
That's because hardcore kids sometimes do it at metal shows.

Example: There was a thread about kids dancing during a Cryptopsy set. Honestly...Cryptopsy? What the shit?





i second the motion.... :eek:

Prowler_88
03-10-2007, 11:08 PM
Being mainly a fan of metal (thrash, black, death etc.) and some metalcore, I tend to stick to headbanging of the violent kind. I've never quite gotten to grips with the whole moshpit or hardcore dancing thing though. Just don't understand why people want to beat eachother up randomly. I'll hurt my own neck thanks ;)

xstrikehardx
03-22-2007, 12:51 PM
I think this is just how it hardcore dancing srfaced in the west because in most people claim hardcore dancing came from boston, new york, and new jersey originally.

outlaw metaler
03-26-2007, 01:58 PM
HonestlyI don't like Hardcore dancing because I don't want to get punched in the face

when I go to shows depending on the band Ill usually try to watch the band play or go up in the front and headbang

If I go in the pit i prefer shove pits, pogos, and circle pits

myself and several of my friends hate hardcore shows well you get knocked down and then no one bothers to help you up

MisinformingYou
04-06-2007, 06:42 PM
HonestlyI don't like Hardcore dancing because I don't want to get punched in the face

when I go to shows depending on the band Ill usually try to watch the band play or go up in the front and headbang

If I go in the pit i prefer shove pits, pogos, and circle pits

myself and several of my friends hate hardcore shows well you get knocked down and then no one bothers to help you up

And it's really lame when the people in the crowd aren't cool enough to help you up. You can get hurt down there, and it's always refreshing when you find a polite metalhead who cares whether or not you get trampled.

Alibi:Destroyed
04-12-2007, 06:44 PM
The secret to hardcore dancing, " Fight the invisable ninjas."

shai_savant
04-12-2007, 11:16 PM
The secret to hardcore dancing, " Fight the invisable ninjas."
you're original

pistols
04-17-2007, 04:23 AM
i found this on the 'step up' myspace page;

“But I do get pissed off at the ****ing stupid wannabe hardcore bands that promote violence and are giving OUR scene a bad name. Look, if you wanna help put a fight to this, then DON'T LISTEN TO OR BUY THEIR SHITTY ALBUMS. They are musically not talented bands, they only care how heavy their breakdowns are so people can kill each other, and they are 95% of the time just money grubbing bastards who will only pretend be your friend if you are their lacky.
BUUUUT.... Hardcore dancing is ok. I come from a time when every band had kids dancing hard throwing punches to the ground and cartwheel kicks all around. Dancing isnt bad it's the new school kids who don't understand to do it for fun and for respect for the band, but rather go into the pit with the intention to hurt someone. Thats just stupid. If you wanna dance hard, do it for respect, and make sure you pick up anyone that falls down. Thats not my opinion, that's just how it has to be if we want this scene to survive.”


i reckon he has it pretty right...that and when people just start throwing punches in the middle of packed crowds.

people are pretty good around here. but you get the occasional wanker who doesn't understand that if you stand right next to the circle pit all night someone will run into you, and fights break out because of it.


but with the hardcore dancing at metal shows...who cares? they're having fun, as long as they're not intentionally hurting anyone there's no harm done.

and before you say something about it being a metal vs hardcore thing, metal and hardcore had a close relationship since the 80's thrash bands were around. it's only natural that some hardcore kids are into metal and some metalheads are into hardcore. and as a result bits of both 'scenes' cross over

hxc_pwn_pirate
04-25-2007, 10:19 PM
two stepping is my hobbie. hardcore dancing is veryvery fun. yezzz... 2step

Precluded
05-13-2007, 09:29 AM
Well, this threat is extremly well posted! I love Hardcore, even if I also like Metal and other styles rellated.. But Hardcore is more then music, is a filosify of life. So no matter what people may say, Slam-Dancing is great! Of course it's bouring to be enjoying a show and be hit by a guy come out of nowhere! But usually there is a space in the show where the Slamming goes on, and the rest is for the guys who want to be left alone.. it's just like regular mosh... but Slam-Dance is like a culture!

catalyst329
05-14-2007, 07:23 PM
Hardcore dancing is fun

KavaticaMetal
05-21-2007, 05:28 PM
Amen Pistols….That's some good stuff from the 'Step Up' page....I go to shows(Metal and Hardcore) and dance and have fun…if I accidentally hit somebody on the side of the pit, I walk over like a man and apologize….and I sure don’t crowd kill either. Why would you want to hurt somebody on purpose?? Cause you’re a though guy??? I hope you still feel like a tough guy when you throw a kick at some kid who’s older brother is a Amateur UFC fighter and you forget to apologize…ok so may be a little of a stretch but I’m sure you get my point.

UncleCthulhu
05-22-2007, 12:02 PM
Amen Pistols….That's some good stuff from the 'Step Up' page....I go to shows(Metal and Hardcore) and dance and have fun…if I accidentally hit somebody on the side of the pit, I walk over like a man and apologize….and I sure don’t crowd kill either. Why would you want to hurt somebody on purpose?? Cause you’re a though guy??? I hope you still feel like a tough guy when you throw a kick at some kid who’s older brother is a Amateur UFC fighter and you forget to apologize…ok so may be a little of a stretch but I’m sure you get my point.

The reason why people have to apologise nowdays is that people apologise.

It used to be:
You get in a pit and accidently get hit. You say "so $$$$ing what?" and just continue thrashing out, having fun.

Nowadays it's:
You get in a pit and accidently get hit, the person comes and apologises to you. Then someone else accidently hits you BUT doesn't apologise, you assume they didn't apologise because they wanted to hit you, so you fight them.

So stop $$$$ing apologising, it gets those who are truely thrashing out beat up.

SL!!!
05-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Hardcore dancing where you act like a ninja is stupid.


Circle Pits, Not Ninja Kicks!Tisk, tisk, don't you remember Refused's "Circle Pit?"
I say, do what you will. Have fun.

SL!!!
05-22-2007, 11:55 PM
i found this on the 'step up' myspace page;

“But I do get pissed off at the ****ing stupid wannabe hardcore bands that promote violence and are giving OUR scene a bad name. Look, if you wanna help put a fight to this, then DON'T LISTEN TO OR BUY THEIR ████TY ALBUMS. They are musically not talented bands, they only care how heavy their breakdowns are so people can kill each other, and they are 95% of the time just money grubbing bastards who will only pretend be your friend if you are their lacky.
BUUUUT.... Hardcore dancing is ok. I come from a time when every band had kids dancing hard throwing punches to the ground and cartwheel kicks all around. Dancing isnt bad it's the new school kids who don't understand to do it for fun and for respect for the band, but rather go into the pit with the intention to hurt someone. Thats just stupid. If you wanna dance hard, do it for respect, and make sure you pick up anyone that falls down. Thats not my opinion, that's just how it has to be if we want this scene to survive.”


i reckon he has it pretty right...that and when people just start throwing punches in the middle of packed crowds.

people are pretty good around here. but you get the occasional wanker who doesn't understand that if you stand right next to the circle pit all night someone will run into you, and fights break out because of it.


but with the hardcore dancing at metal shows...who cares? they're having fun, as long as they're not intentionally hurting anyone there's no harm done.

and before you say something about it being a metal vs hardcore thing, metal and hardcore had a close relationship since the 80's thrash bands were around. it's only natural that some hardcore kids are into metal and some metalheads are into hardcore. and as a result bits of both 'scenes' cross overI like you. hahah.

pistols
05-23-2007, 04:07 AM
^ thanks :D

Spiritual_Cramp
05-23-2007, 05:19 AM
^ thanks :D

And I love you.

pistols
05-23-2007, 07:49 AM
hahahahahahahahahahaha

and i love you too.
yep.

KavaticaMetal
05-23-2007, 10:11 AM
The reason why people have to apologise nowdays is that people apologise.

It used to be:
You get in a pit and accidently get hit. You say "so $$$$ing what?" and just continue thrashing out, having fun.

Nowadays it's:
You get in a pit and accidently get hit, the person comes and apologises to you. Then someone else accidently hits you BUT doesn't apologise, you assume they didn't apologise because they wanted to hit you, so you fight them.

So stop $$$$ing apologising, it gets those who are truely thrashing out beat up.

Yeah, maybe back in the old days when pits were Mosh Pits and not Hardcore dancing pits this was the case.....back then there was a brotherhood that was just unspoken AND everybody who didn't mosh at the show respected the Pit and stayed away from the circle....now-a-days that is not the case. People like you who have tough guy attitudes don't think of such things as brotherhood cause you just wanna smash everybody and think you look really cool as your doin your lone wolf thing..... I dance, i go crazy, I throwdown, and i expect to get hit sometimes, big deal, i don't expect apologies, but that does'nt mean i give them when i unintentionally slam the heck out of somebody that i don't know.......What is so wrong with being a human and apologizing instead of acting like a uneducated moron demanding respect without first giving it out?

Imori
05-25-2007, 04:06 AM
hmm.. I'm from Indiana, nicknamed the "Circle Pit" state... Well I'm not a huge circle pit fan, but I do like to hardcore dance alot. One of the local bands here make their music specifically so you CAN dance to it. Well, we're the only town around here who's scene does full on hardcore dancing where your almost always hitting each other. All the other towns people freak out if they get hit and either get mad and leave, or get mad and throw a punch at you saying its "getting even". why the hell do people have to be such pansys?


By the way.... Axe handles FTW!

shai_savant
05-26-2007, 03:24 AM
i don't ever expect an apology from anyone if i get hit, and i don't apologize unless i really hurt someone and that has never happened. some times i dance a little close to the side, but never with the intention of hurting someone. also people need to just chill and have a good time, i hate when people kick me or hit me back on purpose if i accidently hit them. it's lame an it's uncalled for and that's how fights start.

forever_abandon
06-06-2007, 05:07 PM
Wow. I always thought a emo scene person made up that style of dancing. Then they probably killed themselves afterwards. But uh.. this is all interesting.

Spiritual_Cramp
06-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Wow. I always thought a emo scene person made up that style of dancing. Then they probably killed themselves afterwards. But uh.. this is all interesting.

Award for the most retarded post ever?

mr.joopy987
06-08-2007, 06:29 PM
Award for the most retarded post ever?
Top 10 for sure.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
06-08-2007, 07:40 PM
Top 10 for sure.

Definatly below that guy who asked who Ian Mackaye was and was totally serious though.

guitarwannabe16
06-09-2007, 01:49 AM
^LOL that was the DarkestNights

Smilestar>3
06-18-2007, 04:51 PM
moshing is fun

ut how do you start a bunch of kids running around in a circle?

that would be fun too ( :

The War Machine
06-19-2007, 12:16 AM
God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.

I couldn't agree more! I went to see Zao in Buffalo and the opener was a band called The Banner. Some random hardcore band with the most emo looking guitarist I've ever seen. Anyway, I was with three friends and I was standing the most to the right and some douche bag was running side ways towards us from the left, windmilling like a retard, and manages to miss all of them but knock me against the wall. Not only does it look stupid, but it makes people laugh at you. A good old fashion mosh pit where you get pushed around, knocked over and helped up is one thing. But when you've got these faggots practicing their Tae Kwon Do, knocking you over with not even an outstretched hand, it just makes you wanna leave, no matter who the band is.

The War Machine
06-19-2007, 12:17 AM
moshing is fun

ut how do you start a bunch of kids running around in a circle?

that would be fun too ( :

usually the vocalist calls out that he/she wants a circle pit. other than that i wouldn't know how to organize what is chaos into a circle. =D

Poinsetta.Vox
06-25-2007, 02:41 PM
I don't think I've ever gone to an actual Hardcore show. But I see the same problems in the Metalcore shows. I went to see Fear Before a few months back and no one would mosh because there was two huge (muscular) guys with mouth guards in windmilling the whole time. It pissed me off because this venue isn't very large and didn't leave any of the other fans room for Circle Pits and the like. I don't see what's fun about, nor why you would even want to do it if no one else is going to be allowed in on the fun without getting their face bashed in. I'm a small guy and I'm not going to be able to have fun at shows when scenesters like this can get into the shows.

I say that if you dance like that, you should either do it in the back so everyone else can have fun. Or... Just don't go.

Also, I went to a Norma Jean concert because that's my friends favorite band. The circle pits were awesome. I was turned off about half way through the show when some girl fell down and no one helped her up. Her head was stepped on about seven times. It was ridiculous. If you want to have a good circle pit then you have to help each other out.

Disco Vietnam
06-25-2007, 03:44 PM
I don't think I've ever gone to an actual Hardcore show. But I see the same problems in the Metalcore shows. I went to see Fear Before a few months back and no one would mosh because there was two huge (muscular) guys with mouth guards in windmilling the whole time. It pissed me off because this venue isn't very large and didn't leave any of the other fans room for Circle Pits and the like. I don't see what's fun about, nor why you would even want to do it if no one else is going to be allowed in on the fun without getting their face bashed in. I'm a small guy and I'm not going to be able to have fun at shows when scenesters like this can get into the shows.

I say that if you dance like that, you should either do it in the back so everyone else can have fun. Or... Just don't go.

Also, I went to a Norma Jean concert because that's my friends favorite band. The circle pits were awesome. I was turned off about half way through the show when some girl fell down and no one helped her up. Her head was stepped on about seven times. It was ridiculous. If you want to have a good circle pit then you have to help each other out.
Damn, that is a real Hardcore show.

Poinsetta.Vox
06-25-2007, 04:41 PM
If you had actually taken the time to read my post Disco Vietnam you would have realized I said I've never gone to an actual hardcore show.

Disco Vietnam
06-25-2007, 05:12 PM
If you had actually taken the time to read my post Disco Vietnam you would have realized I said I've never gone to an actual hardcore show.
LOLZ.

Johnthevault
07-05-2007, 06:49 AM
Whats funny is how stupid and pussified this hardcore dancing is wtf is this utter crap. You know what is still extremely funny is if we mentioned what they used to do at oi! and rock against communism (RAC was racist shows in the UK circa 80's) shows you would call us/them a bunch of idiots and how stupid it is/was to literally "hool" fight to music.

TRUEtilldeath
07-11-2007, 07:37 PM
Ok . . . I was going to read this thread all the way through because there were some good points made and there were actually some people who knew what they were talking about.

What you see kids doing or trying to do nowadays, is an imitation of what people were doing in the late 80s NYHC/early 90s east coast HC scene (East coast hardcore style)- that's where it all started. The main people behind that syle were predominantly skinheads and straight-edgers. Instead of the flailing, the movements were more controlled and more violent. The DC/Baltimore area kids refered to the dominant style (at the time) as "Floor punching" because that's what exactly it looked like, but in rhythm to the slower or mid-tempo parts. In Sick of it All's "Step down" one can see the older/pre-kung fu styles. I first saw straight-edgers "Jersey kicking" in DC around early 92, but it was already old news in NJ and all points north and east. Despite the name it supposedly has its origins in Syracuse. One of the SxE kids told me it was mainly the thug-core/skinhead/tough-guys up north doing it. I'm inclined to agree w/ that since FSU burst onto the Boston scene in the early 90s doing spin kicks. Personally I love the violent dancing . . . but I hate the current trendy state of it. I don't care if people think it's gay or hate being punched, or whatever . . . in fact I wished MORE people hated HC and major record labels totally ignored it. The current state of things is probably why I find myself listening to more NWOBHM, black metal and old-school Brazilian Thrash these days (that stuff is also more fun to learn on guitar anyway).

One more thing I forgot to add . ..

The Japanese HC kids do the ninja stuff, but they actually pull it off with some style and coordination. I can only imagine the reaction on the part of a bigot or mulleteer seeing it . . "well . . . it's in their culture! Them thar chinamen are good that stuff!"

pmeg568c
07-11-2007, 08:14 PM
what do you mean the current state of things? hardcore is far from dead, and these past years/decade has produced so many awesome bands.

TRUEtilldeath
07-11-2007, 11:07 PM
what do you mean the current state of things? hardcore is far from dead, and these past years/decade has produced so many awesome bands.

I'm not saying that at all. Most who claim "hardcore is dead" are usually just spouting off to hear themselves spout or to appear "cool" (it seems there's always some internerd "HC" kid trying to gain some i-net hc/punk credibility by parroting what he saw someone say on the "American Hardcore" DVD).

I've just run into too many people who claim to be into HC or claim to know what it is, and the first thing that falls out of their mouth is some nu-metal band or whatever is the popular w/ the Hot Topic crowd . . . Also . . . I can just see the music industry with it's "scorched earth" policy when it comes to subcultures, eyeing HC. I guess I really shouldn't worry too much since HC has many subgenres and tends to fracture into other subgenres . . .

When I first got into HC, I wanted to know any and everything about it - both past and present. If I wasn't reading some photocopied fanzine the way a religious fanatic reads a sacred text, I was reading the "Thank you" section on the back of an album cover to look for bands I'd not yet heard. I'd chop it up w/ band members and old-schoolers with questions (probably made them sick) about how it was. Perhaps I took HC too seriously. I'd think with all of the information available on the internet, there wouldn't be so much ignorance (as I've seen on non-HC themed messageboards - this one is an exception ) among those who are supposed to be into HC.

pmeg568c
07-12-2007, 12:48 AM
oh yea i see what you mean, i get see that wayyy to much. i just wish people could be educated more about hardcore and its subgenres, so they wouldnt piss people off.

ClosedCasket
07-20-2007, 08:10 PM
Hardcore dancing = teh gay

If you're gonna mosh, do it properly! Forget doin all these stupid moves, just unleash some primitive carnage on some guy's ass!

lennonOUTLIVE
08-18-2007, 02:54 PM
God do I hate hardcore dancing. Nothing ruins a show better than having some spazzy 14 year old running towards you, flailing his limbs in every which direction when all you're trying to do is enjoy the music.

I've dealt with this many many times and I don't even go to hardcore shows! Some kids were doing this at a friggin midtown concert for crying out loud!

So when I see an unearth concert on TV or something, and I see kids drop-kicking each other in the face, it really makes me sick. Jumping and/or moving around to release some energy is one thing.... but super street fighter II turbo jumping flash kicks are another.

But...... to each their own, I guess.



-.-

you are stupid, go to a show where people are dancing and no1 is dropkicking each other in the face. i go to local hardcore and metalcore shows alot and to be honest no one really even kicks that much when they dance, so just stfu and know what your talking about before you start talking

lennonOUTLIVE
08-18-2007, 03:02 PM
something i have noticed at shows in south florida, is that at hardcore shows not that many people throw down, its more two step. but dancing in general, throwing down and two step and stuff, has spread alot to other genres of music besides just hardcore. i went and saw set your goals, (amazing live btw), who is obviously hardcore based, but a pop punk band, and they have breakdowns. and there were alot of people dancing. same thing at alot of metal shows, alot of people dance. so its not just hardcore anymore its all types of music

waldorphPRS41
09-14-2007, 10:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_KE0261wE

kaktusnpoop
09-15-2007, 12:11 AM
something i have noticed at shows in south florida, is that at hardcore shows not that many people throw down, its more two step. but dancing in general, throwing down and two step and stuff, has spread alot to other genres of music besides just hardcore. i went and saw set your goals, (amazing live btw), who is obviously hardcore based, but a pop punk band, and they have breakdowns. and there were alot of people dancing. same thing at alot of metal shows, alot of people dance. so its not just hardcore anymore its all types of music

i live in south fl as well, what shows do you go to, cuz ive seen plenty with kids who mosh still