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SOADfan2021
12-24-2005, 10:00 PM
i honestly think that here isnt and shouldnt be a "leader" in a band cuz a band isnt nothing withount the other. So it doesnt make sence to have 1 basist and 1 guitarist withount a drumber. Every1 contributes and works as one. Sounds pretty dam cheezy but its true. anyone with me?

xrawrockkillsx
12-24-2005, 10:17 PM
mmmm no....

the singer is always the leader, thats why hes called the frontman. sure theyre all important (besides bassist :)) but whatever singer says, goes. thats how it is, thats how its been, and thats how it will always be.

Bulletbass man
12-24-2005, 10:29 PM
your the singer in your band aren't you. i was the singer and lead guitarist and songwriter but i still gave pretty much everyone a say. Usually they all agreed with me but when they didn't we just kinda put it aside.

SOADfan2021
12-24-2005, 10:44 PM
yea i am lead guitarist and vocals(kinda like system) i always hear wat my band has 2 say

cokesodanotdrug
12-24-2005, 10:59 PM
the leader of the band is the singer as said, it is very important. Yes obviously you don't make decisions by yourself you consult the band, but it's still important, as the leader you've got to inform the band of any upcomming decisions you'll have to make like gigs and ****, make sure dates work, now, don't take it like you've gotta do all this, you can tell people to tell you when they're available to practice and ****

Basically, you're the guy to go to to help sort stuff out. I dunno..

and it's drummer, not drumber...punk....sounds like you have a plumber for a drummer.

SOADfan2021
12-24-2005, 11:10 PM
#1 stfu about how i spell, #2 the singer doesnt always do the informing, take system of a down for example, shavo the bassist does all the managing for gigs and signings

KENZI
12-25-2005, 03:05 PM
if you're a solo performer you have all the say, if you are with somebody as a duo then you have half the say. etc.

Zamboni
12-25-2005, 03:11 PM
Saying that "whatever the singer says, goes" is just plain ridiculous. I doubt a band will stay together very long if that's how the singer views his position in the band.

Everyone in the band has a say, all that matters is the intelligence behind the band. If, let's say, the lead guitarist is the smartest money-wise, he'll be the one pounding out the deals with the venue managers. If the bass player has the best connections, he'll be the one finding a lot of the gigs. It's all relative, and it varies between each and every band.

greensand
12-25-2005, 03:19 PM
i think the songwriter(s) (not necessarily the singer) has the most say.

flamencogod
12-25-2005, 03:30 PM
well I think that's different in every band.

I'm my band (I hate to say MY band but hey...):

I'm leadguitar and songwriter and basically decide everythink concerning music, photo's and such.
my little brother plays second guitar and he does quit a lot of managing... looking for new gigs etc.
our bassplayer does everything concerning the website and know everything technicall about our PA system
our drummer does a bit of everything...
our singer... well she's pretty much our fromwoman...

but the most important thing is... we all work together and love making our music. playing great shows. We have a lot of respect for eachother

deusexbass2150
12-25-2005, 05:22 PM
Well in my band we dont have a leader as such but whoever makes up the main part for the song and has a vision of what he wants the song to look like is kinda like the leader for that song but we all pitch in with ideas to adapt it to make it better if ya know what i mean but i guess its up to the band itself and as flamencogod said it differs from every band.

cold_static544
12-26-2005, 10:33 AM
Saying that "whatever the singer says, goes" is just plain ridiculous. I doubt a band will stay together very long if that's how the singer views his position in the band.

Everyone in the band has a say, all that matters is the intelligence behind the band. If, let's say, the lead guitarist is the smartest money-wise, he'll be the one pounding out the deals with the venue managers. If the bass player has the best connections, he'll be the one finding a lot of the gigs. It's all relative, and it varies between each and every band.

yes, that's very true. Musically, the lead guitarist for my band takes charge, as for the technical issues (equipment, money etc.), another guy, our so called "manager" does that.

joshsirjoshules
12-28-2005, 12:39 AM
To all you dumbasses saying that the singer is the leader, can you think of one band where the singer has been the leader that hasn't broken up? That's because there hasn't been one. More often than not, they are the most conceited ones in the group and think that everything is his/her vision. Having the singer in charge of everything simply does not work.

I've always wanted to be the leader of the band, but here's how I would go about it. I might write the bulk of the songs but I would completely open to the rest of the bands writing songs as well. We each could/would sing our own songs. We would play them no matter if the other people in the band liked them or not, because songs can grow on you and there's always room to improve on a song. Equal share in money and whatnot as well. Decisions on image go by vote. Just my philosophy, if you don't agree, that's fine.

nullet210
12-28-2005, 02:05 AM
what do u do if u only had 2 guitar players and a drummer no singer no bass player like we are im the lead guitar player so im leader?

Freunleven
12-28-2005, 09:57 AM
Suggested reading for ya'll. (http://www.harmony-central.com/Bands/Articles/Keeping_Band_Members/)

:satan:

greensand
12-28-2005, 11:33 AM
To all you dumbasses saying that the singer is the leader, can you think of one band where the singer has been the leader that hasn't broken up? That's because there hasn't been one. More often than not, they are the most conceited ones in the group and think that everything is his/her vision. Having the singer in charge of everything simply does not work.

I've always wanted to be the leader of the band, but here's how I would go about it. I might write the bulk of the songs but I would completely open to the rest of the bands writing songs as well. We each could/would sing our own songs. We would play them no matter if the other people in the band liked them or not, because songs can grow on you and there's always room to improve on a song. Equal share in money and whatnot as well. Decisions on image go by vote. Just my philosophy, if you don't agree, that's fine.

you know.. you sorta contradicted yourself by referring to them as dumbasses and yet you claim: "Just my philosophy, if you don't agree, that's fine."

how does that work?? :rolleyes:

fender188
12-28-2005, 11:43 AM
mmmm no....

the singer is always the leader, thats why hes called the frontman. sure theyre all important (besides bassist :)) but whatever singer says, goes. thats how it is, thats how its been, and thats how it will always be.



No, not always, and I think thats a good thing. Usually why the singer is only a singer is because they have no musical talent whatsoever. The only times that the singer is required to be only a singer is when the other musicians cant. Thats why its just "singer", not guitarist/vocals. Because singers can only sing.


In my band, im the leader because I have the most musical talent, am the only one who can read music, and write all the guitar, and above all own all the equipment, from the mic to the drumset.



in short, You are wrong! Singers ARE NOT the most important in the band. They are the least.

joshsirjoshules
12-28-2005, 03:02 PM
you know.. you sorta contradicted yourself by referring to them as dumbasses and yet you claim: "Just my philosophy, if you don't agree, that's fine."

how does that work?? :rolleyes:

That's a typo.

Baba O'Riley
12-28-2005, 03:44 PM
mmmm no....

the singer is always the leader
the leader of the band is the singer as said,

There is no rule that says singers must always be the leader of the band. There have been many bands where the singer is not the leader. Ex. The Who (Pete Townsend), My Bloody Valentine (Kevin Shields), Van Halen (Van Halen.... feels redundant to write him in brackets in this one :D), etc.
in short, You are wrong! Singers ARE NOT the most important in the band. They are the least.

Singers are not always the least important. In many cases they are the most important member and the leader. Think about the Doors. It would be stupid to say that Jim Morrison was the least important. Typically the drummer is the least important person the band.

"Who is the leader of the band?" varies from individual bands. There is no rule that if you are a singer or guitarist or accordion player or whatever else that you are automatically the leader.

The band leader is usually the main songwriter, who in turn is often the most talented member of the band. But also keep in mind that sometimes bands can have more than one leader. Ex. The Rolling Stones (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards)

I think the idea of there not being a leader is good but it rarely works. There are very few truly democratic bands.

TaoAvatar20
12-28-2005, 06:10 PM
If we didn't need leaders, there would be no government. Anytime you get a group of people together, that group needs to make decisions and if there isn't someone pushing that decision to get made, it never will. A leader doesn't have to be the one making the decisions, they're the person who makes sure they get made. In that regard I think a leader is absolutely necessary for a band. What isn't necessary is someone who's autocratic and is all like "My way or the highway." That's what I would consider a bad leader. If a band doesn't have a leader, how does it decide when to gig? How does it promote itself? How does it engage an audience? I respect the idealistic drive behind saying a band shouldn't have a leader, but in practical terms it's impossible if a band is to go anywhere. A talented leader knows the skills of those they're working with and how best to apply them. They listen to their bandmates and mediate conflicts. Most important of all they realize they're a cog in the machinery and not the machinery itself. When you've found someone who can do all this and inspire you, you've found a great band leader.

doctor_rocker
12-29-2005, 10:57 PM
I'd say whoever is the best at leading should lead the band. It doesnt matter who it is, but if they can lead well, then they should. Good leaders dont say, "My word is law" but make compromises and make the best decision for the group as a whole

Nedir Kire
12-29-2005, 11:11 PM
it all depends on who has leadership abilities. take me, for example. i lam the lead guitarist in my band. because of my many years of experience, everyone designated me as the leader. Y? i'm not entirely sure.

the lead singer doesn't always have to be the leader, even though a majority of the time they are. SOADfan2021, i've given you suggestions on different things. i hope you are acting wisely.

All in all, it depends on who feels like doing it. sometimes, it's you who has to take charge.

golfskip
12-30-2005, 01:02 AM
The lead singer doesn't have to be the leader but they have to be the leader on STAGE.

Every member has a part to do in a band but someone has to take control over the entire orginization.

Take me for example: I am not the leader BUT I do 99% of the bookings,I run sound from
on stage,I play lead guitar, I sing,I'm the one that makes sure the bus is ready to roll every weekend, I handle all money, I take care of all the paper work, I file all the tax documents,
and I do it because someone has to step up and take on the responsibilities of a band. But I do not consider myself as the leader of the band!

mishra
12-30-2005, 08:02 PM
mmmm no....

the singer is always the leader, thats why hes called the frontman. sure theyre all important (besides bassist :)) but whatever singer says, goes. thats how it is, thats how its been, and thats how it will always be.

pete townshend was the leader of the who but daltrey did most of the singing.

taxman27
12-30-2005, 09:31 PM
I'd say whoever is the best at leading should lead the band. It doesnt matter who it is, but if they can lead well, then they should. Good leaders dont say, "My word is law" but make compromises and make the best decision for the group as a whole

I agree. When you practice for long enough, a leader naturally emerges (sometimes 2, and pray they don't argue all the time. Like Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker). In my old band, there was a food chain of sorts, but there wasn't that big of a division between rankings so everybody had a say. The rank went:

1. Our other guitarist (We had no lead or rhythm, whoever got what depended on who played the part better). He had all the epuipment except my stuff, he arranged practices and gigs, and made sure we were all on task.
2. Me (guitar). I was the one who made more of the musical decisions. I was the one always pushing certain songs we should do and such.
3. Drummer. He added a little touch to everything. He helped push for some songs and helped us a little on our lyrics. He was always the one that took what we had done and always added little things to help make songs better.
4. Singer. He didn't do a whole lot other then make us laugh a bunch. We would work on the music and stuff while he was listening to other music or playing video games and when we were ready we would have him sing the song a couple of times and straighten all the rough edges out.

PICKS r4 DICKS
12-31-2005, 11:04 AM
mmmm no....

the singer is always the leader, thats why hes called the frontman. sure theyre all important (besides bassist :)) but whatever singer says, goes. thats how it is, thats how its been, and thats how it will always be.

hey **** you! im a bassist and the lead vocals.
lol jk about you ****ing your self, but im serious about being vocals and a bassist

but the leader isnt always the lead singer, it the person that most motavates the band.

Chuck Mott
08-20-2011, 09:55 AM
Someone needs to at least take the initiative and make final decisions when band members get stuck.

Mooger
08-20-2011, 07:41 PM
There´s always those guys who say there´s no leaders but in reality they call the shots. These are a lot of fun to deal with, specially if you´re trying to come up whith something of your own.

Cowless
08-20-2011, 08:32 PM
F'in hell, Chuck, you sure love diggin' graves, don't you? This was 6 years ago.

Mooger
08-20-2011, 08:37 PM
LOL i didnt even noticed it

Cowless
08-20-2011, 10:02 PM
LOL i didnt even noticed it

Hey, no worries. You have a good excuse! :haha:

schwinginbatman
08-21-2011, 12:07 AM
The lead singer doesn't have to be the leader but they have to be the leader on STAGE.

Every member has a part to do in a band but someone has to take control over the entire orginization.

Take me for example: I am not the leader BUT I do 99% of the bookings,I run sound from
on stage,I play lead guitar, I sing,I'm the one that makes sure the bus is ready to roll every weekend, I handle all money, I take care of all the paper work, I file all the tax documents,
and I do it because someone has to step up and take on the responsibilities of a band. But I do not consider myself as the leader of the band!
Indeed. I'm the leader of my band. While the bassist and I make the majority of the decisions together, I'm the guy who writes the music, a considerable amount of lyrics, produces, mixes, and masters our stuff. When we take to the stage, the singer needs to take charge. He's still the frontman. I take the support role.

JustRooster
08-21-2011, 12:12 AM
A band is a democracy. There needs to be a leader who acts upon what the rest of the band thinks.

AlanHB
08-21-2011, 08:16 AM
**Closed due to 2005 bump**